Real America’s Voice: Securing America with Frank Gaffney

Episode Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Frank Gaffney
Guests: Dr. Robert Malone, Capt. James Fennell (USN, Ret.)

Episode Overview

This episode of "Securing America with Frank Gaffney" tackles two major themes crucial to U.S. national security and sovereignty:

1. Public Health Reform under "Make America Healthy Again" (MAHA):
   Dr. Robert Malone discusses how the Trump 2.0 administration—with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as HHS Secretary—is moving aggressively to overhaul American public health policy, challenge pharmaceutical industry influence, and tackle the epidemic of chronic disease.

2. Geostrategic Competition with China:
   Capt. James Fennell analyzes the growing threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), especially their rapid military advancements and global governance ambitions, and how American policy must adapt in response.

The discussions are laced with in-depth analysis, policy critiques, candid observations, and urgent calls to action.

Part 1: U.S. Public Health Reform and Vaccine Policy

Featuring: Dr. Robert Malone

Key Discussion Points

1. MAHA Goes Global & RFK Jr.'s Leadership

• The "Make America Healthy Again" initiative, originally RFK Jr.'s project, now gains worldwide traction (UN, EU Parliament).
• Quote:
  "This will be as important as any single thing I’ve done."
  — President Trump on tackling chronic disease (Malone citing Trump, 05:19)

2. Reassessment of Operation Warp Speed and COVID Vaccines

• Trump is newly critical about the COVID vaccine's legacy, calling for transparency from Pfizer.
• Quote:
  "We really need to find out whether Warp Speed and the vaccine that came out of it for COVID 19 treatment was in fact as great as he had been told."
  — Frank Gaffney (06:58)
• Malone explains attempts to manipulate Trump’s legacy by pharmaceutical leaders—Pfizer's CEO suggesting he deserves a Nobel Prize, deflecting real scrutiny.
• Quote:
  "It was transparently an effort to manipulate the President’s ego."
  — Dr. Robert Malone (08:31)
• Commends Trump’s willingness to revise his stance on vaccine policy in light of new information.

3. ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices) Shake-Up

• Malone is now a member; he refutes claims that the new committee is anti-vax or unqualified.
• New ACIP roster features distinguished experts (e.g., Dr. Martin Kulldorff).
• Quote:
  "The roster has, you know, the top epidemiologist in the world, Martin Kulldorff, a broad selection of clinicians... It’s really quite [impressive]."
  — Dr. Robert Malone (18:06)
• Criticizes prior committee's financial conflicts and pharma industry dominance.
• Dismisses attacks as "another false narrative that's being weaponized for political purposes." (18:57)

4. Rethinking the Childhood Vaccine Schedule

• Malone says vaccines are being treated "almost as sacrosanct," with insufficient scrutiny of risk/benefit and cumulative effects.
• Advocates for data-driven reassessment—e.g., evidence for hepatitis B in newborns, lack of studies on vaccine interactions.
• Raises the unresolved debate over vaccine links to autism.

5. The Tylenol-Autism Controversy

• Malone supports Trump's public warning regarding potential connections between prenatal Tylenol exposure and neurodevelopmental disorders, including autism and ADHD.
• Quote:
  "The data have been out there for decades and they've been ignored."
  — Dr. Robert Malone (23:59)

Part 2: Confronting the Chinese Communist Party

Featuring: Capt. James Fennell (USN, Ret.)

Key Discussion Points

1. CCP Vulnerabilities & U.S. Policy Options

• CCP faces mounting economic, demographic, and political crises—yet regime control under Xi Jinping remains solid, not fragile.
• Quote:
  “There doesn’t seem to be any indicators, substantive indicators that he [Xi] is off message... He’s on a trajectory that you can measure and he hasn’t seemed to be off of it."
  — Capt. James Fennell (31:43)

2. Risks of U.S. Engagement or Inaction

• Past U.S. actions often propped up the CCP; Fennell urges a more assertive approach to confront China’s expansion.
• The threat is not just military: unrestricted warfare includes economic, cyber, and political spheres.

3. Military Imbalance: The Aircraft Carrier Race

• The Chinese Navy has achieved world-historic advancements in naval power, surpassing the U.S. in some key technologies.
• Notably, China's new Fujian carrier successfully launched fifth-gen fighters with an electromagnetic system before the U.S. managed the same with its own Ford-class.
• Quote:
  "They are now demonstrating the capability that we don’t have... The Chinese have actually surpassed us now in a carrier aviation milestone.”
  — Capt. James Fennell (43:15)

4. Technology Transfer: U.S. Innovations, China’s Gains

• Chinese "carbon copies" of U.S. military tech (e.g., E2C Hawkeye airborne warning platform) demonstrate the results of years of IP theft and exploitation of U.S.-educated Chinese nationals.
• “They skipped a hundred years of U.S. Navy research and development... And what they’re doing now is they’re using their advanced numbers of people and their R&D to actually go beyond that.”
  — Capt. James Fennell (53:58)

5. The “Global Governance Initiative”: The CCP’s Political Endgame

• Xi has unveiled a series of “global initiatives” to remake international order in the CCP’s image; the latest is the “Global Governance Initiative.”
• The campaign is being promoted through the UN and targeted at the Global South, aiming to realign multilateral institutions away from the post-WWII Western order.
• Quote:
  "It’s a full-scale frontal attack from the CCP to say, ‘We want to run the world and we’re going to do it...'"
  — Capt. James Fennell (57:16)
• Gaffney warns: “Global governance, as I’m fond of calling it, with Chinese characteristics—meaning essentially the world run by the CCP and to the detriment of our sovereignty, obviously, but I would argue, ultimately, our constitutional republic as well.” (59:52)

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Trump’s Stake in Chronic Disease:
  "This will be as important as any single thing I’ve done." (05:19, relayed by Malone)
• On Pfizer's Attempt to Influence Trump:
  "It was transparently an effort to manipulate the President’s ego..." — Dr. Malone (08:31)
• On Accusations Facing ACIP:
  "Another false narrative that's being weaponized for political purposes." — Dr. Malone (18:57)
• On Public Health Orthodoxy:
  "There's been a culture of almost vaccine worship... Vaccines are just another drug... Is the risk matched to the benefit?" — Dr. Malone (20:29)
• China's Aircraft Carrier Achievement:
  "The Chinese have actually surpassed us now in a carrier aviation milestone." — Capt. Fennell (43:15)
• On Technology Theft:
  "It is not an exaggeration to say... [they are] carbon copies. We have dozens of examples of platforms that the Chinese have made that are clearly from our technology." — Capt. Fennell (53:58)
• On China's UN Ambitions:
  "It’s a political maneuver to realign the international order behind China... they’re really selling subjugation to the Chinese Communist Party." — Capt. Fennell (57:16-58:59)
• On American Sovereignty:
  "Global governance, as I’m fond of calling it, with Chinese characteristics—meaning essentially the world run by the CCP and to the detriment of our sovereignty..." — Frank Gaffney (59:52)

Chapter Timestamps

• [03:02] Introduction & Themes
• [05:19] Dr. Malone on MAHA, RFK Jr., Trump’s Health Legacy
• [06:58]-[11:41] Trump’s New Position on Warp Speed, Vaccine Politics
• [15:17]-[20:29] Dr. Malone’s ACIP Role & Vaccine Policy Debates
• [22:26]-[24:20] Tylenol, Pregnancy, Autism Discussion
• [27:52] Capt. Fennell on the CCP’s Internal Dynamics & U.S. Response
• [31:43]-[38:56] Xi's Control, U.S. Policy Options, Military Posture
• [42:01]-[49:26] Chinese Naval Modernization & U.S. Technology Gaps
• [53:58]-[55:30] Technology Transfer from U.S. to China
• [57:16]-[59:52] CCP’s UN Strategy & Global Governance Ambitions

Takeaways

• The Trump administration is pushing for massive public health reform, aiming to break the old patterns of pharma influence and unexamined vaccine policy.
• Claims that the current ACIP is anti-vax or unqualified are dismissed by experts involved as political smears.
• China’s rapid military modernization—enabled by U.S. research, industrial, and academic openness—now presents direct strategic challenges that may outpace U.S. capabilities in key areas.
• The CCP is advancing a strategy to reshape global governance under its control, using the UN as a platform and exploiting fractures in the existing world order.
• Urgent need for both public health transparency and national security vigilance.

For further details or to hear these perspectives in the guests’ own words, listen to the full episode.