The Charlie Kirk Show, April 2, 2026

Summary

Real America’s Voice — The Charlie Kirk Show

April 2, 2026 | iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show delivers an in-depth, unfiltered look at current political, cultural, and national security developments through the lens of American values and freedom. With topics ranging from the status of the U.S.-Iran conflict, the potential overhaul in Trump’s cabinet, debates over birthright citizenship, the generational transformation of the federal workforce, and the dangers of "suicidal empathy," the show features lively panel discussions and a special hour-long interview with Dr. Gad Saad.

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Key Discussion Points and Segments

1. U.S. Artemis 2 Lunar Mission & Trump’s Iran War Speech

[03:00 – 10:56]

• NASA’s Artemis 2 Updates

  • Charlie Kirk reports successful astronaut mission prep and a temporary communications glitch which was quickly resolved, signaling NASA’s historic return to moon missions after 54 years.

• President Trump’s National Address

  • Trump’s speech is dissected, highlighting his assurance that the war with Iran is nearing completion ("over the next two to three weeks") and his definition of victory.
  • Trump urges European allies to take responsibility for securing the Strait of Hormuz and encourages them to purchase U.S. oil.
  • Notably, Trump avoids mention of a ground invasion or Kurdish forces, which was anticipated by outlets.

  “We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong.”
  —Donald Trump [07:42]

• Implications for NATO

  • Kirk & Blake analyze Trump’s pointed shift in expectations for NATO members and the possible reassessment of U.S.-NATO ties post-conflict.
  • Discussion on European allies’ reluctance to provide airspace and base access for U.S. military actions.

  “He’s wiping his hands of the responsibility. I think the larger implications…are going to be our relationship to NATO moving forward.”
  —Charlie Kirk [16:54]

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2. Cabinet Rumors: Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard

[22:43 – 26:53]

• Pam Bondi’s Job on the Line

  • Rumors intensified regarding Attorney General Pam Bondi’s imminent departure, reportedly due to dissatisfaction stemming from the Epstein files.
  • Listeners express widespread disapproval, reflecting a MAGA base frustrated by a perceived lack of prosecutions against high-profile “deep state” figures.

• Tulsi Gabbard Speculation

  • Gabbard’s congressional testimony is scrutinized for not being sufficiently robust in defending Trump’s Iran strikes; however, the team remains less certain about her status.

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3. Congressional DHS Funding Deal

[26:04 – 28:44]

• House/Senate Compromise

  • A moderation in the DHS budget drama: ICE and Customs and Border Patrol funding are excluded from a main bill and shifted into a future reconciliation bill; the show credits Republicans for averting Democrat “concessions” and maintaining mass deportation enforcement.

  “The ultimate goal here is to prevent the enforcement of American law to enable the unlimited invasion of America by foreigners...”
  —Blake [27:57]

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4. Forensic Breakdown: The Charlie Kirk Assassination Case

[33:06 – 43:36]

• Guest: Jay Towne (Former U.S. Attorney)

  • Dissects misleading headlines asserting a ballistic “mismatch” in the Kirk case.
  • Explains that “unable to identify” in ATF language is not equivalent to “does not match,” and that the projectile’s caliber (.30) most likely matches the murder weapon, with extensive corroborating evidence.

  “Unable to identify does not equal, nor is that term the equivalent of does not match.”
  —Jay Towne [34:28]

  “If the defense knew that it was a different round… they would have led with that.”
  —Charlie Kirk [38:51]

  • Discussion on defense delay tactics, conspiracy culture, and the robustness of the prosecution.

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5. BREAKING: Pam Bondi Fired; Office of Personnel Management Gen Z Initiative

[44:52 – 51:52]

• Pam Bondi Officially Out

  • News breaks of her dismissal; EPA Director Lee Zeldin is rumored as a possible replacement.

• Gen Z in Government—Interview with Scott Cooper (OPM Director) [45:30 – 51:52]

  • New outreach for young talent into federal roles in tech, HR, finance, management, and contracting.
  • Intent: Refresh a rapidly aging federal workforce, with a particular openness toward those without college degrees and an explicit invitation to non-liberal, patriotic applicants.
  • Cooper and Kirk agree the goal is talent-acquisition, not just size reduction.

  “We’re launching a new program...a centralized call for anybody interested in starting within five career areas...”
  —Scott Cooper [45:45]

  “If they're incredibly skillful and they know what they're doing...we shouldn't discriminate against them because maybe they don't have the financial means to go to college.”
  —Scott Cooper [49:02]

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6. Special Guest: Dr. Gad Saad – Hourlong Interview “Suicidal Empathy”

[57:47 – 99:35]

• About Dr. Saad and His New Book

  • “Suicidal Empathy: Free the Wolves, Dying to be Kind” comes out May 12, 2026.
  • Dr. Saad frames “suicidal empathy” as the West’s pathological universalism and unchecked compassion for adversaries, contributing to its decline.

• Birthright Citizenship as a ‘Suicide Pact’ [60:48+]

  • Kirk and Saad agree that unregulated birthright citizenship enables “Trojan horse” subversion. Saad emphasizes demography as destiny, arguing that values, not birthplace, define American-ness:

  “It’s not that you’re born in the U.S. through…the birthright nonsense that makes you American. It’s whether you’ve internalized a set of values…”
  —Dr. Gad Saad [62:10]

• Nation of Immigrants—Mythmaking & Historical Reality [68:32+]

  • Kirk challenges the “nation of immigrants” narrative, favoring instead the idea of America as a nation of settlers, guided by selective, interest-based immigration.
  • Saad uses the “categorization error” analogy to argue that not all immigrant groups, especially when lacking assimilation, are equal contributors to the nation’s core values.

• Islamification & Political Demographics [80:13+]

  • Examples given: the rise of an Islamist political bloc in Birmingham, UK; a Michigan candidate pandering to Islamists.
  • Saad explains the “threefold” plan of Islamization: large families, migration (hijra), and using Western freedoms “against you.”
  • Discusses historical demographic tipping points (20% leads to “you better start putting on running shoes and really run fast”) and the inability of Western societies to project social consequences from early trends.

  “There is a very known trajectory…if we don’t solve this problem, we will wake up one day all being called Abdul.”
  —Dr. Gad Saad [86:49]

• Criminal Justice & “Blank Slate” Felons [94:12+]

  • Saad and Blake critique “soft on crime” politics as another product of suicidal empathy—offering more compassion to criminals than victims.
  • Cites extreme cases: rape victims empathizing with their rapists, illustrating the depravity of misplaced compassion.

  “It removes the personal agency of these felons so that all of our empathy is targeting the criminals and not the victims.”
  —Dr. Gad Saad [94:21]

• Canada as Stage Five Suicidal Empathy [98:29+]

  • Saad recounts Canadian universities reserving endowed tech professorships for non-binary or “two spirit” applicants, a sign of terminal empathy politics.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights

On Trump’s Iran Speech

“He did not mention ground troops as some media outlets had been reporting he would do … the fact that there was not a ground invasion announced last night was a big, big deal.”
—Charlie Kirk [14:17]

On Birthright Citizenship

“No great nation would allow a loophole that allows communist birth tourists to vote in its election…”
—Charlie Kirk [62:51]

On Immigration Myths

“When you say all immigrants are equal … you’re simply saying … they’re treated equally under the law. But the idea that we all come with the exact same baggage … is a categorization error.”
—Dr. Gad Saad [70:25]

On Islamification

“The Birmingham folks are now finding out.”
—Dr. Gad Saad [81:56]

“Immigration without assimilation is invasion and Islam does not assimilate. Islam Conquers. Islam takes over. Islam devours.”
—Charlie Kirk (clip of Charlie) [87:53]

On "Suicidal Empathy"

“Part of suicidal empathy is when … we all have a fixed tank of empathy … Suicidal empathy does is it completely removes the correct targeting of who should be privy to your empathy.”
—Dr. Gad Saad [94:21]

On Diversity Initiatives in Canada

“The job description said that you had to be non binary, two spirit or transgender to hold that position… Canada has stage five suicidal empathy.”
—Dr. Gad Saad [99:15]

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Key Timestamps

• Trump’s Speech on Iran: [03:00–16:54]
• Cabinet Shakeup rumors: [22:43–28:44]
• Forensic interview on CK assassination: [33:06–43:36]
• Gen Z in Government (Scott Cooper): [45:30–51:52]
• Dr. Gad Saad Full Interview: [57:47–99:35]

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Tone and Style

• Direct, fiery, ideological; often laying blame for Western decline at the feet of left/liberal elites, “unpatriotic” immigration, and “suicidal” over-compassion in public policy.
• Dr. Saad brings a blend of scientific, cultural, and satirical analysis, regularly employing metaphors and analogies to drive home arguments.
• Kirk’s style is sharp, energetic, and, at times, combative particularly regarding establishment media narratives and political correctness.

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For Listeners

This episode is a roller coaster through headline news, cultural analysis, ideological battle lines, and philosophical reflections on the West’s future—delivered with the signature RAV bravado. If you want unfiltered conservative commentary, extended expert interviews, and a window into the populist right’s worldview in 2026, this show delivers.

Transcript

[Dr. Gad Saad]

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[Charlie Kirk]

do was get back to work.

[Jay Towne]

I wanted to get back to that trajectory that I was on prior to the cancer.

[Charlie Kirk]

I always felt like I had value.

[Jay Towne]

I had a place on the team

[David Zier]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Scott Cooper]

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[Terrence Bates]

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[Charlie Kirk]

for healing, learn more and sign the [e-mail]. The Charlie Kirk show starts now. So good to see you this morning and great to see the astronauts up in high Earth orbit. They're going to be spending most of the day conducting checks around their Orion spacecraft, making sure that it's ready to go on to the moon. Engineers on the ground are trying to investigate the cause of a very temporary communications problem. It occurred about 51 minutes after launch. For just a couple minutes, the astronaut on the ground assigned to capsule communication had trouble receiving messages from the flight crew. It happened while the spacecraft was switching links from one communication satellite to another. And mission control quickly re established contact with the crew.

[Jay Towne]

They're secure and they're in great spirits. We will continue to monitor their health and the status as they meet as we move into the next phase of the Artemis 2 mission. So after a brief 54 year intermission, NASA is back in the business of sending astronauts to the moon. Last night, two things happened. You heard from the first president since Richard Nixon, who set about ending wars and did not want to have protracted wars, but would use long, large amounts of force to bring them to a close. And by the way, we launched a mission to the moon, the first one since Richard Nixon in 1972.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I do believe that President Trump

[Jay Towne]

is showing the kind of leadership that we've been without for a long time. Let's start here with some examples of some of the types of individuals we could be talking about, like Juan Carlos Valencia Gonzalez. Now, Juan Carlos Valencia Gonzalez was born in Santa ana, California in 1984. His parents were from Mexico.

[Charlie Kirk]

He happens to also be the stepson of El Mincho, the leader of the Jalisco New Generation cartel.

[Jay Towne]

And now he is reportedly leading that very same cartel.

[Charlie Kirk]

And here's the thing. He is a United States citizen by birth.

[Jay Towne]

And it doesn't stop there.

[Charlie Kirk]

Reports of foreign wealth being used to manipulate the system. One Chinese billionaire reportedly has more than

[Jay Towne]

100 US born children through surrogacy.

[Charlie Kirk]

The idea? Build a future family and a business succession plan.

[Jay Towne]

Some clients, by the way, request up

[Charlie Kirk]

to 100 babies via multiple surrogacies.

[Jay Towne]

It can cost as much as $200,000.

[Charlie Kirk]

And why would they do that? Because babies born here are automatically US Citizens.

[Jay Towne]

These numbers are just atrociously awful.

[Charlie Kirk]

A double A for the Democrats here. I mean, just Take a look here.

[Jay Towne]

Congressional Dems have the right priorities. Look at this. Overall, 74%, nearly three in four say no. Just 25% overall, yes, you might say, okay, well at least Dems like Democrats. Not the case. Look at this. The majority of Democrats are independent su. Lean Democrats. Look at this. 55% say no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Congressional Democrats do not have the right priorities.

[Jay Towne]

And then you just see a minority 45% of Democrats say that Congressional Democrats have the right priority.

[Donald Trump]

To those countries that can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved in the decapitation of Iran. We had to do it ourselves. I have a suggestion. Number one, buy oil from the United States of America. We have plenty. We have so much. And number two, build up some delayed courage. Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we asked. Go to the Strait and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves. Iran has been essentially decimated. The hard part is done. Thanks to the progress we've made. I think can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly. We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. In the meantime, discussions are ongoing. Tonight, every American can look forward to a day when we are finally free from the wickedness of Iranian aggression and the specter of nuclear blackmail. Because of the actions we have taken, we are on the cusp of ending Iran's sinister threat to America and the world. And I'll tell you, the world is watching. And when we do, when it's all over, the United States will be safer, stronger, more prosperous and greater than it has ever been before.

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[Blake]

I was really enjoying. Some local sheriff's agency put up AI generated stuff of their new Don't Safety initiative. So they were putting up special don't signs that represented like don't get distracted and various things. And they're putting it you know, above stop signs, don't stop, don't yield. I like that.

[Charlie Kirk]

That sounds potentially, you know, problematic for public safety. But that's all right. It was good fun. April 1st is done. We're April 2nd here at the Y Refi Studios, the our new partner in the studio, Y Refi Studios. Check them out. So we've got lots of news to get to and we've got a jam packed first hour. We've got two guests in the second half of the hour. So I want to get to the news right now. So there's multiple things swirling that I think all could be the lead if we wanted to. First of which is Trump gave a speech last night giving an update on the Iran war. Now, a lot of people said, well, he didn't really make any news. I actually disagree. I think what was most interesting about the speech was what wasn't said. And that's gonna be a repeat theme in hour one, things that weren't said. And you'll understand why I say that in a little while here. So especially with our guest at 12:30 Eastern. But what wasn't said. Let's play some of his clips and kind of get the tone, set the stage and I'll explain what I mean.

[Donald Trump]

Sat 6 thanks to the progress we've made, I can say tonight that we are on track to complete all of America's military objectives shortly, very shortly, we are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. In the meantime, discussions are ongoing.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so he gives a timeline, two to three weeks. We've heard that before. Sometimes it goes back and forth. Trump. President Trump is definitely reserving the right here to define what he sees as victory. The question, though, has remained what to do with the Strait of Hormuz. And I think that's where we're starting to get the most clarity here.

[Donald Trump]

Sat 7 to those countries that can't get fuel, many of which refuse to get involved in the decapitation of Iran. We had to do it ourselves. I have a suggestion. Number one, buy oil from the United States of America. We have plenty. We have so much. And number two, build up some delayed courage. Should have done it before, should have done it with us as we asked. Go to the strait and just take it, protect it, use it for yourselves. Iran has been essentially decimated. The hard part is done.

[Charlie Kirk]

So President Trump is sending a very clear signal to, I would say France, England, Italy. That's what that was Directed to. Because in another clip, he sort of gives a shout out to some of the Middle Eastern allies here that I think have met the moment in his eyes. More Sat 3 I want to thank

[Donald Trump]

our allies in the Middle East, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the uae, Kuwait and Bahrain. They've been great, and we will not let them get hurt or fail in any way, shape or form.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so I'm going to translate this because Blake's. Blake's team. He didn't say much. Here's what I'm going to say. Message is clear. The US Is winning. It's shy of we've officially won, though. All right. And I think that's consistent with some of the messaging we've heard. He's got strong words for NATO, the NATO countries that are dependent on energy flowing through the Strait of Hormuz. He's now telling them that it's your responsibility in the long run to keep the strait open, not his job. We have enough oil. Okay. We can talk about the implications of what that means. He did not, and this is a key. He did not mention ground troops as some media outlets had been reporting he would do in this speech. So the fact that there was not a ground invasion announced last night was a big, big deal. Trump did not mention Kurdish forces, as other media outlets had predicted. The war's not over, but that was about as close as you could get to President Trump spiking the football as you could get without doing it. So we're 30, 32 days in and a little bit TBD on how many more weeks we have ahead of us. So what this was was President Trump defining his right to define what victory looks like and define when he is going to determine that the missional objectives have been achieved. So that's what that speech was. He was defining the Strait of Hormuz. What's the future there? He was defining who his. Who he thinks have been good allies and who have been bad allies. We've heard reports that President Trump and Marco Rubio are going to be reassessing our relationship to NATO after Epic fury concludes and it's almost done. That's what was really, I think, front and center here. He wants to be able to say, this is what victory looks like. Our mission is achieved. We're out straight to Hormuz or not.

[Blake]

I think that if he wants to get a win for ending the war, the way to do that is to end the war.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yep, That's, I think, what he's saying. Yeah.

[Blake]

But I guess what I was telling with you is it was essentially what we've already heard on truth social media. In fact, they made the point, the White House made the point that he's been repeating the same thing. The goals are sink their fleet, destroy their missile capability, keep them from having a nuclear weapon. And he emphasized that in the speech last night. But it's the same message. And the reason it mattered that the President was giving a speech is people were wondering if it was going to mark a big announcement. And in fact, it didn't either way. So if he says the war is nearly done, that is great. If the war is in fact nearly done. But we've been saying the war is nearly done since the Ayatollah was blown up.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, listen, I agree, but again, he said four to six weeks. We're four weeks in. He did not mention ground troops. I think that's a huge, huge thing to take note of. He basically said, listen, we're basically wrapping up the job and if you want the straight cleared Europe, who relies on this energy, we don't rely on it. It's up to you to make it clear. Okay? And that's a big deal because he's wiping his hands of the responsibility. I think the larger implications of this are going to be our relationship to NATO moving forward, our relationship to countries like Italy, Spain that weren't letting us use their bases to launch strikes. And you saw it in that clip from President Trump where he said maybe you could get some delayed courage, do, do the right thing now, go support your own country's economy by clearing the strait. I mean, I get, I get the whole dynamic and the NATO question is going to be looming large in the years and months and years to come. So I think we have to be clear eyed about what that means. I think there is, NATO can be absolutely a force for good, but they really, there is an antagonism that has developed between the United States and our European allies that we can't, we just have to be clear eyed about it and open about it because it's out in the open now.

[Blake]

Well, the funniest thing about it is it does actually take you back to when President Trump wanted to buy Greenland. The fact that all of these NATO allies are now denying the US Access to their airspace and air bases does drive home the point as why it matters sometimes to have your own airspace and your own air bases on your own land.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Blake]

So it is very interesting. It's one thing for them to not join the fact that they've Even denied the air bases after we've spent billions of dollars. I can understand why President Trump is very angry with them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I can too. And you gotta, at some point you gotta say, what are we getting out of this relationship? I don't think that even if we pull out of NATO, which I don't think is going to happen, but even if we did that, it doesn't instantly mean that we're at each other's throats with Europe. It doesn't. It could mean something else. And maybe this would force Europe to stop being fake and phony. Countries that think they have strong militaries when really they're just relying on the US Military might. I'm open minded. I'm going to be really honest. I don't fear the world order sort of shifting and evolving over time. All right, really quick here. I want to tell you about strong cell. StrongCell is an amazing, amazing company and an amazing product. Blake usually rushes ahead and drinks his first. Strongcell Nadh is one of Charlie's favorite supplements. They're back with us and better than ever. An amazing, amazing company. If you have brain fog, chronic fatigue, chronic illness, strongcell very well could be the breakthrough for you. Nadh powers the mitochondria in your cells. You no longer need an IV to get this into your body. Give it four to six weeks. You will notice a massive improvement. I am truly blown away with the difference it makes for me personally. And guess what? If it doesn't work, you get a 90 day money back, risk free guarantee. Use promo code Charlie at checkout for 20% off strongcell.com strongcell.com promo code charlie we'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So much more news to get to. We're going to try and run through it really quickly here. But let's talk about why Refi investment. You've heard us talking about why Refi for quite some time now. First off, if you are an accredited investor, you can earn up to 10.25% and that interest rate is fixed. Also, you can invest from one to five years and you can spread your investment over those terms to best suit your your needs. When you invest in Y Refi, your interest is calculated daily, so maximum transparency. And you're paid monthly and you have the freedom to take your monthly interest as income. Or you can reinvest, you can reinvest it, whatever you prefer. And just a word about why Refi in general. These are amazing patriots. They love their country. They're helping students out with private student loans. They're doing all kinds of stuff. They are an amazing group of people that wake up every day trying to help this country, help the people that make it work. For more information, call them at 87780 invest. That's 87780 invest. Or visit invest y refi invest y r e f y.com to learn more. For complete details, make sure you review the private placement memorandum and scan this QR code that you can see right there to view the disclosures at your leisure. Why Refi Investing in America's Future? Please check them out. Great people. All right, so the other big news here is that rumors are circulating around D.C. at the moment that Pam Bondi and Tulsi Gabbard could be on their way out. It's being reported by Semaphore, which is Shelby Talkett. She's a serious reporter, so I would say don't take it too lightly, she says. News the president has informed Pam Bondi that her time as AG is nearing an end. Multiple sources tell me formal announcement hasn't yet come, AKA all the normal caveats that he could change his mind. He's been speaking with advisors on a possible replacement in recent days, as others have reported this week, and Bondi is aware of that as well. Blake, the timing has been brought into question, right, because the big controversy with Pam Bondi was over the Epstein Binders.

[Blake]

We had. Yeah, the Epstein Binders, the Epstein files, kind of. She's become the punching bag for everyone who's dissatisfied with how the administration handled that, a bit, along with Cash Patel, but mostly Bondi. When we did at Amfest, we did a survey of the approval of all of Trump's cabinet members, and basically all of them were really high except Bondi. I think Bondi had 25% disapproval. Even higher. She was, I think she was the only one in double digits even of disapproval. And I think that's a real cohort of maga. In fact, I'd appreciate emails.

[Charlie Kirk]

How you guys feel about this [e-mail]

[Blake]

I think people have also projected onto her frustration that there's a lot of people who just, they want, they want Foushee indicted, they want members of the deep state indicted, they want various Democrats indicted. And there's been a few attempts at that. They haven't fared great in court. Some of them have also failed at the grand jury level. But the point is, is she's not delivering scalps that a lot of MAGA supporters wanted, and she's A very easy person to blame for all of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, there is a lot of activity in South Florida. You know, we saw the one subpoena of James Comey. I'm told there's a lot more coming there. So perhaps, you know, they're, you know, waiting is really hard when it comes to this stuff. I think there's a huge chunk of MAGA that just is not going to be satisfied until Anthony Fauci is, you know, arrested and shackled and that sort of thing. I think it's a very, very hard job. I just want to be very clear. The job that Pam Bondi has is very difficult. So I want to give some, at least a dose of grace. Right. If we had, if we had Mike Davis on, he would probably be very supportive of her efforts thus far. But nonetheless wanted you guys to be aware Pam Bondi is, it's rumored that she is possibly or even probably on her way out. Want to know your thoughts freedom. CharlieKirk.com send us your thoughts on Pam Bondi. The other rumor mill is over Tulsi Gabbard. This goes back to her congressional testimony. There was some feelings that she did not defend the President, I guess vocally enough when it came to the Iran strikes, I thought she threaded the needle. Obviously we're very aware that Tulsi Gabbard is a non interventionist. That's kind of been her brand for a long time. When she called, when she called Hillary Clinton the queen of warmongers. And I think it's fun.

[Blake]

It would have just, she could say something else and then people would say she's just lying through her teeth. There's just no way to win. They trot her out there in order to, to create this drama.

[Charlie Kirk]

But yeah, I'm less certain about this one. I think Tulsi Gabbard, from everything I've heard has been doing a great job. That being said, it's the President's decision to make. So those are the two rumor mill pieces going around. A lot of people saying they've been hearing similar things. Again, I would put Tulsi in a less confident position about what's her future. But Pam Bondi, these are real news reports. Semaphore Shelby Talcott is a serious reporter. She's got multiple sources that have confirmed that. So Pam Bondi very well could be nearing the end of her tenure in the Trump administration.

[Blake]

Let us know what you think of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, the other big news, cuz there's a lot to get to was that they have reached a deal. The Senate and the House have come to terms on funding dhs. And so the plan ahead. Mike Johnson did a whole comment on it and X saying that at first he said that it was a joke. The proposal was a joke. They were. The deal was reached that they were going to fund DHS with the exception of ICE and Customs and Border Patrol, but they weren't. The Democrats weren't getting any of the concessions. Speaker or Speaker Johnson did not like this at first. Said it was a joke. He's now changed his position. They are going to pass full DHS funding minus the Border Patrol and ice. They're going to include that in a July reconciliation bill. Fund them additionally there. What is important to understand is that ICE and CBP are already funded mostly through the one big beautiful bill. So they have. Their paychecks have continued, their work has continued. And the upshot. So if you're saying, what do we get out of this? Is it a complete fold or not? I happen to not like it. But the upshot here is that they will not getting any of the concessions that the Democrats wanted. The Democrats wanted no masks. They wanted some other areas of enforcement to be off limits. They basically wanted to hamstring, ice and customs and Border Patrol. So the silver lining here is that they get none of those concessions. Mass deportations will continue on. The enforcement will continue, which is very popular with the base. They'll just have to fund them in the reconciliation bill. Which will be another fight. Which will be another fight. I don't think that we should ever get into this process of saying, hey, we're gonna fund this agency, but not this, this and this. Because then it just becomes a race to the bottom of using leverage points against.

[Blake]

Again, it's just truly despicable. It's this plan to try to. The ultimate goal here is to prevent the enforcement of American law to enable the unlimited invasion of America by foreigners, including foreign criminals, including foreign gangsters, including foreign spies. There is no limiting principle for the left. And to do this, they are just going to randomly hurt Americans. It's the. Honestly, it's the government equivalent of like a school shooting. Just hurt random people in order to get what we want, which is also an evil thing. Despicable people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we're going to dive into the ATF report a little bit more. That came out from Daily Mail. I'm not done with that one. Got a special guest coming up in just a second. Don't go anywhere.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Donald Trump]

We are going to hit them extremely hard over the next two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back to the Stone Ages where they belong. In the meantime, discussions are ongoing. Regime change was not our goal. We never said regime change. But regime change has occurred because of all of their original leader's death.

[Terrence Bates]

In terms of the goals of the ongoing operation, the commander in chief reiterating that the motivation for the attack remains destroying Iran's missile production and Navy ensuring that its proxies can no longer terrorize US Allies in the region, namely Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, as well as Bahrain, to name just a few. Most importantly, however, 47 says that obtaining a nuclear weapon for Iran is an absolute non starter. That's going to do it. For your headlines, I'm Terrence Bates.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jay Towne]

It's an honor to be with you. And before we get into our chat, let me just say that, like the tens of millions of households that grieved when Charlie was shot, it's really an honor to be here. My house was no different. It's an honor to be with you today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you for saying that. And, yeah, it means a lot. It still does. So thank you for saying that. I wanted to have you on, Jay, because I was told you are one of the leading experts in the country when it comes to litigating in the court of law, violent crime, understanding the, the way motions work from the defense and the prosecution, and all this. Obviously, a lot of news and noise was made when the Daily Mail dropped that headline. And it was reporting on the brief from the prosecutor, Tyler, or the defense attorney for Tyler Robinson, where it said the bullets did not match. And you have some insight here to help us understand how to make more sense of this. I think we did a great job the day after this story launched, but I'm not done with it because I'm still upset about it.

[Blake]

We need to hit this. This was such a dishonest headline by the D Mail and it was run with by other dishonest people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. You have a lot of experience in this. We don't have a lot of time with you. What did you make of the headline and the underlying evidence?

[Jay Towne]

Yeah. Nowhere in any report, in any reporting, either from the government, the ATF, or any of the filings from the state of Utah does it say anything. Does not match in my. I spent most of my adult life prosecuting violent crimes. That includes homicides. Most of those homicides involved firearms. So ATF ballistics reports, what we call firearms and tool marking reports. I've seen hundreds of them. And I can tell you that when it says unable to identify, which is all the report says, that does not equal, nor is that term the equivalent of does not match. Unable to identify is describing the rifling characteristics on the fragmented round that was found in Charlie Kirk's body and what that means. So inside of every long gun in the barrel, there's, there's. You see those little stripes? That's rifling. Those impressions are made upon the round when it is fired. And because of the way it tumbles sometimes when it hits a person or a wall or whatever it might be, they're unable at atf, the forensic experts, and they are the absolute best in the world at this through their NIBIN system and through their correlation system of finding out, even if there's just a little bit, whether or not the rifling matches the actual rifle. But there's two things in every firearm and tool mark report. The rifling, which they were unable to identify it because it was so degraded, the round that was found, but also the caliber class of that round, which is almost always determinable. Now, what that is is the. The projectile, it's round at the base and the diameter of that is the class of the caliber. Now, the rifle that we found was a.30 06, which fires a.30 caliber class round. And what was missing from the defense counsel's motion in his mouth, or her mouth rather, is what caliber class that round was. I will bet all the money in my pocket against all the money in yours, Andrew, that the ATF report describes this round as a.30 caliber class round. There's only a couple of rifles that fire that type of round. If it was a.22, let's say caliber class, which would be a 5.56 or 223 round. So like an M16, that would have been what they led with, because it couldn't have been the.30 06. It doesn't fire a.223 or a 5.56 round.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, yeah, yeah, let's.

[Blake]

Let's pick at that. So you're saying really what we need to look at is not so much what the defense says, it's what they're not saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's the dog that didn't bark here.

[Jay Towne]

That's. That's exactly right. And it's an in. The defense lawyer knows that. The defense lawyer with this motion, they're buying time. Someone who's tried capital murders, I can tell you that, you know, time is your friend. The longer these things drag out for the family, for the state, for the witnesses, the better your case as a defendant gets. Now, I will say there is a mountain. Before coming on the show today, I reread the indictment against Tyler Robinson. There is just in that and there's. I would, I would suggest to everyone that there is another mountain of evidence that has not been disclosed and is not public yet. Like for instance, that this is a.30 caliber class round that was found in Charlie Kirk. But there is a mountain of evidence. Admissions from Tyler Robinson to his roommate, to his mother, to his father. There's a piece of paper with an omission on it where he texted his roommate to look under the keyboard. His DNA is on the spent cartridge. Remember, there was one shot fired and there's no shell casing found at the scene that suggests a bolt action rifle. You know what was found also at the scene? A.30 06 Mauser.98 bolt action rifle. His DNA is on that rifle. All the spent rounds or the one spent round, two of the three shell cartridges. There's CCTV footage showing his ingress and egress to his firing spot on the roof. And guess who recognized him? His mother and his father. There's not another shooter. There's not another gun. There's not another person culpable or guilty of the murder of Charlie Kirk. It's Tyler Robinson. He's sitting in a Utah jail waiting trial right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, I just, I. What your insight here is, I think, really important, Jay, that it's what the defense did not say in that motion. They did not contend the caliber of the round, which is something that's a huge, huge. And I didn't even have eyes to see that. I needed to look for that. You saw that because you've read so many of these motions over the years and read so many of these ATF reports that you instantly knew that if they had, if the defense knew that it was a Different round based on the ATF report, which we haven't read, that they would have led with that. That would have been their first point that they made in that motion. They didn't. Which means they, they sort of by omission, admitting that it's a.30 caliber.

[Jay Towne]

Absolutely by omission. It is. Well, as you said, it's by what they did not say. And the reason they didn't say it is because they know that that is in the report. It would be otherwise very, very useful exculpatory evidence. But since it is in the report, it directly matches, to use their, the media's term anyway, by the way, unable to identify and does not match, once again, do not mean the same thing. But it wouldn't match if it was a.22 caliber. But you know what? It does, because it's a.30 caliber. And I'll tell you this too. I can't tell you how many murders I've prosecuted or assaults involving a firearm where we couldn't identify the rifling because the round was so degraded that we were able to examine. It's very common. Like I said, the ATF is the absolute best in the world at identifying rifling characteristics and also examining for the caliber class. And they always get it right. And so the defense lawyer mentioned that they might use the ATF report as exculpatory. Go ahead, knock yourself out. Because we'll throw an expert on the stand, we being the good guys, that says, no, this, this is the exact type of round that is used in that Mauser.98 bolt action.30 06 rifle. It's the same kind. And how many rounds were fired? 1. How many spent shell casings were found? 1. Was his DNA on that spent shell casing? Yes. I mean, it is overwhelming evidence, and his intent is overwhelming too, that he intended to kill Charlie Kirk that, that fateful day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why would the defense want to drag this out, dive into that more? You said that's their goal is really to like, delay. Are they trying to spread conspiracy? Are they. They must be aware of the conspiracy culture that's emerged. Are they trying to play into that to potentially taint the jury? Is that, would that be a motive that you could divine from this?

[Jay Towne]

Sure. I mean, so part of it is the delay, you know, because, okay, we need our expert now and that's going to take six months to a year. And this is all to drag it out? That's part of it there. I don't. I mean, the trial date could get moved, obviously, and onward, and so Forth. But they're aware of the conspiracy theorists, the whack jobs that are on the Internet and even in, you know, print media with a headline that says does not match. That was all over. It was USA Today. It was others. They were just wrong. As dishonest as it is, they were. It's just actual factually and forensically incorrect to make that statement that it does not match. It shows how little the left knows or the people twisting their mustache know about firearms. Right. Especially about firearms and tool marking tests that the ATF provides. So I'm sure they're willing to, you know, my experience is they're absolutely, absolutely willing to taint the jury pool with this sort of cast of little bits of doubt here and there so that you know that when 12 people are sitting in the box, it actually might go their way with one of those people. But as soon as it comes out, hopefully the state will file something soon that will mention the.30 caliber class of this particular fragmented round so that you can have me back on and you'll owe me all the money in your pocket, Andrew, because I will.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not betting against you, Jay.

[Jay Towne]

The ATF will have been proven correct and also the professionals that they are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Jay, thank you so much for. I think that was such an important insight. And again, we're not rushing a judgment here. We want the legal process to play out. This is the system we have. And I fully expect Tyler Robinson's defense to mount a rigorous defense. That's what they're supposed to do. So, J Town, thank you so much. This was great. Really, really important insight. And we will have you back on. You have quite the resume. Thank you, sir.

[Jay Towne]

Thank you, guys.

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[Blake]

We got about 40 emails in five minutes. I think just after we asked, more than dozens just filled up the entire Gmail screen. So clearly inspired a lot of passion. We know a lot of people and I couldn't read all of them, but it looked like a lot of people did want Bondi to go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. All right, our next guest is ready. I want to get to it. Scott Cooper, he's the Office of Personnel Management Director and they have a big new initiative. It feels very central to the mission of this show and to the mission of Turning Point. So I wanted to make some time. Scott, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Scott Cooper]

Hey, thanks for having me. Really great to be here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So you guys have this huge new initiative at the Office of Personnel Management hiring Gen Z. And I think it's absolutely the right message to send. So tell us about this, please.

[Scott Cooper]

Yeah, no, and we're thankful to have the opportunity to talk to you about it because obviously you all are the leaders here in terms of this audience. So let me just give you the background real fast. So about 7% of the federal workforce is under the age of 30. And if you look at the workforce more generally, that's about 22, 23%. So by a factor of about three to one. You know, the very simple way to say it is the federal government has done a very poor job of attracting kind of young people to decide to spend some time and, you know, commit some public service and do some good for the country. So what we've done is launched a new program where we're coordinating with all the agencies across government. And we've put out a call, a centralized call for anybody who is interested in starting with five career areas. So technology roles, human resources, financial services, program management, and then contracting and procurement. These are jobs that are kind of well distributed across all the agencies in government. And we're about to kick off a very broad recruiting effort. And you know, your leadership here is fantastic. In fact, you may know this, but we're going to actually have a presence tonight at the event that you're hosting at George Washington University at 6:30 tonight. So for anybody who's in the D.C. area and is interested in being patriotic and helping support the government and all the wonderful work that we're doing. Please come see us.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, this is amazing. So I think, you know, I don't know what the rules are, so I'm not trying to break any rules, but I would love to get you a bunch of graduating seniors, their CVs over to the, to the Office of Personnel Management. I think this is amazing and I'm

[Scott Cooper]

sure, yeah, you send them to us and we'll take care of them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hey, listen, they gotta, they got to meet the mark just like everybody else. They've got to, they got to have excellence and merit and all that. I'm not, I'm not asking for special favors, but I know a bunch of graduating seniors that I'm sure would be looking for some jobs and could be a great fit for this administration. So that's amazing. Go over, drill down just a little bit further in the areas that you're looking for is to fill these positions and any idea of how many positions we're looking to? Because obviously, I'll be honest, I'm a little bit biased. I want to see the federal workforce numbers decrease as, as do, as do

[Scott Cooper]

I, by the way. As do I. So maybe give you a perspective though.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Cooper]

All right, let me frame it here to make sure you don't think we're going crazy. So I mentioned that only 7% of the workforce today is under the age of 30 and that's, you know, well under, under indexed. On the other side of the federal workforce, close to half of our population is over the age of 50 and so will likely retire over the next 5, 10, 15 years. So while I, I agree with you, I'm a small government, but I think we're, I'm probably not a no government person. So we actually will need some people to do the jobs of the American people. So part of this is we've got to solve this Democrat demographic imbalance problem. Right. We just have a pending problem that we got to solve. The second thing we're trying to solve here is, look, we just need people who've got skills that are representative in, you know, kind of this generation of talent. So I'll give you an example. On the technology side, there's a tremendous amount of modernization efforts that we're doing in government. So we launched something called techforce fairly recently. And techforce is part of this early career program, but it's specific to obviously technology jobs. And we need people who understand modern software development, who understand AI technologies, who understand data science. So those are specific areas where quite frankly, that skill gap is preventing the government from being able to do the things that we need to do to modernize. And look, as you well know, modernization is the key towards efficiency. So if we actually modernize and use technology where appropriate, then we will have a much more efficient government that will able to actually do the work of the American people without quite frankly bankrupting my kids or grandkids and certainly the generation that I know you talk to quite a bit. So that's one big area is technology. The other area is there's a bunch of jobs that just lend themselves well to people who need to be trained. So there are a ton of HR related jobs in governments and human resources. There's a ton of financial analyst jobs. And these are all roles where, you know, we can take people who are smart people. Many of them are coming out of college. And by the way, you mentioned college. I just want to make sure you understand it's okay if people don't go to college. So one of the things that this administration is doing is we're eliminating college degree requirements for almost every job classification. Because in our mind, look, we want to hire people for the skills and the merit they have. And you know, it's great if they went to college, but by the way, if they're incredibly skillful and they know what they're doing and they can perform the jobs we need, we shouldn't discriminate against them because maybe they don't have the financial means to go to college or they just didn't factor into their life plans or these are all kind of priorities we're working on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, or like Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, his father dies and he takes over the plumbing business, blows it into a multimillion dollar business and he's an entrepreneur. We need more of that as well. So. So we'll add graduating high school seniors to the list of CVs if they're not planning on going.

[Blake]

Just it's. I want to really, I guess to any young people out there, you should strongly look into applying for this. Because what do we all complain about as conservatives? We complain about the fact the deep state the government, it's full of left wing career bureaucrats who are extremely difficult to dig out. And the way that you fix that is actually we get young people who have pro American values who are not left wing barnacles like you get them into government and then that is how you allow this country to perpetuate into the decades in the future. Listen, because as we know, once you get into government, it's hard to get you out.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so you want job security? Here you go.

[Scott Cooper]

We're working on that one too, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fair enough. So I would just say, you know what? D.C. votes about 95,5 Democrat. Well, let's get some Turning Point grads in there and make it like 90 10, you know, 85, 15. I'm going to end it here, Scott, with your guys. Beautiful ad that you made for this Sat 8. Every day Americans wake up and go to work building, protecting and shaping a better future. It's our rich legacy. Since the founding of our republic, service has been part of who we are. In uniform or out. Americans always rise above for country, for

[Dr. Gad Saad]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Dr. Gad Saad]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Dr. Gad Saad]

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. You may want to tune in to Real America's voice tonight at 6:00 clock for a special Turning Point USA event. Some of the key, key speakers are going to be Erica Kirk, Jack Posobeck and White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. Rav, of course, will have coverage of the entire thing for you. You can see it here on your screen. Rav correspondent and host of Breaking Point, David Zier, already on the ground in Washington, D.C. he's going to join us right now to talk more about the event. David, welcome.

[David Zier]

Hi. Good afternoon, Terrence. And yes, Turning Point USA is resuming its this is the Turning Point tour, the spring leg of the tour which launched last fall shortly after Charlie Kirk's passing. I'll be there on the ground with Benny Ray, harmony of Real America's Voice News starting at 6pm Eastern Time. And this spring leg of the tour is kicking off at George Washington University, hosted by the GW chapter of tpusa, which has been growing, especially since Charlie Kirk's death. This tour is going to continue on after today to the University of Georgia, Ohio State University, Baylor University and the University of Idaho at Moscow, interestingly enough, and more stops to be announced along the way. And tonight we'll have Carolyn Leavitt, Vice President J.D. vance, Vivek Ramaswamy, Jack Posovic, Savannah Chrisley and the border czar, Tom Homan, Benny Johnson, Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles, among others. Be very exciting event. So stay tuned.

[Terrence Bates]

Join us at 6pm Those are some huge names. It's going to be quite the event. I suspect even on the sidelines of the event, there's going to be lots of talk about President Trump's speech to the nation last night in which he basically laid out the next two or three week plan for the war in Iran. Yes.

[David Zier]

And Iranian officials are warning today that the US And Israel are going to face crushing, broader and more destructive attacks. Following President Donald Trump's national address was indicated that a deal may be in progress. Let's see if it's just hyperbole by them because overnight there were several ballistic missile attacks on Israel, Bahrain and the UAE and oil shot up to $110 a barrel, surging today. And Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen indicated yesterday that over time the US Is going to open up the Strait of Hormuz here and there's going to be freedom of navigation, whether it's with US escorts or multinational forces. There's a shortage of 10 to 12 million barrels a day from the global markets right now.

[Terrence Bates]

Terrence, you know, speaking of oil, President Trump during his remarks basically told allies, look, you really depend on the Strait of Hormuz and the oil that comes through it. So your options are to either now begin to buy oil from the United States or secure the Strait yourself. I think that's one of the major storylines.

[David Zier]

Right. And it's not just oil. The LNG price is spiking for the Baltic states, for England and other. They got to get a handle on this. And I have heard talk that 35 European nations were meeting, including with military leaders. They're outside of the NATO framework to craft something that could help escort these ships through the Strait.

[Terrence Bates]

David, I don't know if you've heard this, but since you're in Washington, I'm going to ask you anyway. There are reports coming out that Pam Bonney, the attorney general, is being relieved of duty, that Todd Blanche will likely take over for her. Have you heard any rumblings just since you're there in D.C. and I understand again, this is news that's just now breaking. Have you heard anything on this?

[David Zier]

It's breaking news to myself. We'll try to get on that and give you the latest developments. We're prepping to go over to GW University now and set up for tonight's event. But again, I'll bring you the latest if I can.

[Terrence Bates]

That is fair. Apologies for putting you on the spot, but it's just coming in. Since you were there in D.C. i thought potentially you'd heard some rumblings. Let's Wrap up with the GW event again. Huge speakers are going to be there. And the fact that this is happening on a college campus really speaks to where we are culturally right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[David Zier]

And it's 25,000 student campus. And I was talking to you earlier. My son went here and ran the College Republicans. It wasn't as vitriolic even during Occupy Wall street and other. Now you've got the pro Hama crowd and it's very liberal here. Most expensive school in the country, one of them. And you know, these, these kids are very liberal. It's only probably 5, 10% who identify as conservative. But TPUSA is picking up steam on campus and they're going to have a big chapter.

[Terrence Bates]

David Zia reporting live in Washington for.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show, hour two. And we have a very special treat in store for you. We have Dr. Gad Sad for the entire hour and he is one of my favorite public intellectuals. He was one of Charlie's favorite public intellectuals. He has so much insight to bring to, to bear that we needed a whole hour. So without further ado, welcome back to the show.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Dr. Saad, what a lovely introduction. Thank you. And I just posted on X, but it's worth maybe repeating here live that today is the first day of Passover and I thought it was particularly apropos to take this high Jewish holiday and come on the show to honor Charlie. Charlie, you live on in our hearts and minds.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen. Yeah, we actually played a clip and it'll air tomorrow actually. But just Charlie reflecting on how Easter and Passover always overlap and what an important season this is for Christians and Jews. So it's great to have you, sir. There's so much suicidal empathy going on. Let me give you your proper dues here. Dr. Gadsad, you are the scholar at the Declaration of Independence center for the Study of American Freedom. For a Lebanese born man, that is quite the, quite the jump. But you do love this country. You love American freedom, you love the west and that's at the University of Mississippi. You are also, you have a forthcoming book, the Suicidal Empathy. And I just love the COVID If you guys could throw this up. Yeah, the, you got the sheep on there, Free the wolves, dying to be kind. It's kind of the, it's kind of a take on the, you know, I guess the Chick fil a, you know, where they're always trying to say, you know, the cow, the cow take, you know, eat the cows. Anyway. So this is actually, it's a cow saying eat more chicken so anyways, it's a great, great cover there and I. We've been hearing about you writing this book for some time. So when does it come out? So people can pre order? Let's just start there.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Dr. Seth, thank you so much. May 12, 2026. So in about six weeks. But if I can just engage in some shameless plugging. It's really important if you can actually pre order the book because what happens is that all the amass pre orders, then when the book is released, they all count as sales on that first day. So if the book can immediately hit the bestseller list, then that becomes an avalanche. So please, if you're interested in this topic, go out and pre order asap.

[Charlie Kirk]

So there are. Yeah, go buy the book. It's really important. I think it is the key to understanding the future of the West. Are we going to survive as we currently are constructed, as we currently understand ourselves, or are we going to commit cultural suicide? I think the first topic, there's so many to get to, there's Islamification, there's energy policy, there's cultural issues, spiritual issues.

[Blake]

I think Islamification's gotta be the first.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, hold on. I mean, we'll get there because we have to get there. Just because of his own biography, Dr. Saad's biography out of Lebanon and what's happened in that country. But I have to start with my personal pet favorite, which is birthright citizenship, which I believe is a suicide pact that a country would make, especially in this day and age of air travel, that the founders and the drafters of the 14th Amendment would have never conceived. They couldn't have conceived of jets that could fly from South Africa direct to Los Angeles. They wouldn't have. But here's the thing. It is a suicide pact, a Trojan horse where we now have to our own laws bind us to our own Constitution, binds us to letting in CCP spies that can then determine an election if they get millions of voters that live in China but can vote in America. Why strike us militarily if we just are letting them in the front door? What is your take on birthright?

[Dr. Gad Saad]

I mean, I couldn't agree with you more. Of course, the old maxim, demography is destiny, is exactly what you're alluding to. And to your earlier point, when you kindly introduced me as a scholar at Ole Miss and you said, you know, here's the Lebanese guy who's defending American freedoms, the American spirit is enshrined within the DNA of our value systems.

[Jay Towne]

Right.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

It's not the fact that you're born in the United States through, you know, the birthright nonsense that makes you American. It's whether you've internalized a set of values and of codes that uniquely defines American exceptionalism. And so even though I'm not born in the United States, even though I'm officially now Canadian, I venture to say that I'm a lot more of an American than people who just come to the US Plop down a kid, and then, voila, he becomes American. So I couldn't be more in agreement with you. And the quicker that they, meaning the United States, changes that law, the better it'll be for everyone.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And I, you know, I try not to do this, but I did just tweet out something that I think is central. I didn't come up with this idea, but I was. We had Molly Hemingway and Shaun Davis from the Federalists, and we were talking with them, and I just said, no great nation would allow a loophole that allows communist birth tourists to vote in its election and bestow citizenship on the children of those who broke the nation's law to enter the country in the first place. No great nation would allow themselves to get played like that. And I just. The fact that the legal scholars are telling me it's probably going to go 7:2 against getting rid of this ridiculous policy that the entire rest of the world seemed to have gotten rid of by about 2005, it breaks my heart because I feel grieved internally that we would be so dumb, that we would be so hamstrung by idiocy. At least the Greeks, when they were letting in the Trojan horse, they didn't know what was inside of it. We know what's inside of this Trojan horse.

[Blake]

And I had my own take, which is really the bleak thing. If the Supreme Court rules that way, we don't know the full law. Maybe there's some dumb reason they can justify it, but. But okay, it should be pretty simple to change the law, to have a Congress that says, oh, Chinese oligarchs don't get to just buy kids from America and their citizens. Tourists can't just sail a boat 10 miles offshore, drop a kid on that boat, and they're a citizen for life. Like, that's an absurd thing and our Congress should be ready to ban it. And I think this gets back to your big point. It's suicidal empathy that makes us refuse to do this obvious thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Go ahead.

[Charlie Kirk]

Go ahead.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Doctor said I was going to say, and I don't. Maybe you're not ready to segue into the Islam issue. But. But it really is relevant to what we're talking about here, where you sort of become impotent to implement, you know, autocorrective mechanisms that are complete common sense. Right. So I often hear from esteemed American lawyers, hey, Professor Saad, Dr. Saad, I completely get your story with Islam, but, you know, unfortunately, we have freedom of religion here. And I say. Really? So you actually think that there is no mechanism that you could come up with that would then autocorrect the fact that not all religions are equally congruent with the foundational ethos of the United States. Right? So. And I often do this satirical, you know, dialogue where I say, you know, some. Some guy, some immigrant from that region says, I want to kill you. I want to rape you. I want to destroy your heritage. I want to destroy your religion. I want to destroy your cult. And then some American lawyer says, hey, you're not allowed to say that. That's incitement to violence. And then the noble immigrant responds, no, but that's in my religion. I have freedom of religion. Oh, okay. Sorry. Carry on. So it really is an astounding form of impotent, suicidal empathy to say that we are somehow hamstrung, as you said, by these codes that could never be. They're inerrant, and they can never be changed. And if it has to be that we commit to civilizational seppuku, so be it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jeez, the way you said it, yeah. It feels like we get stuck in these ideological cul de sacs because of the. The myths that we've told ourselves. One of the myths, I believe, is that we are a nation of immigrants. And I want to get into that history because we're actually a nation of settlers, in my opinion. You could disagree with me, Dr. Saad. That includes immigrants. Waves when it makes sense for us, and then we're able to stop it when it stops making sense for us. But I want to tell the audience really quick more with Dr. Saad. We got him the whole hour, and we probably should just blow the brakes. I want to tell you guys about Hillsdale College. It was Charlie's favorite college. Dr. Saad was one of his favorite professors, of course, but Hillsdale was one of his. Was his favorite college. And you could take the exact same courses that Charlie took at Hillsdale. If you visit Charlie for Hillsdale to enroll today, one of those courses was the Genesis course. Love telling you about this. Taught by Hillsdale Professor Dr. Justin Jackson. It's rigorous. It's challenging. Exactly what Good learning is supposed to be, and it's completely free. If only you have the desire to learn, to devote a little bit of time every day, take the course online. You will be blessed by it. And There are over 40 other courses free at charlieforhillsdale.com you can enroll today. Learn like Charlie did. Take the first step. Just enroll. Take free classes. It's all free. And you will be richly blessed by it. CharlieFillsdale.com we'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. We've got Dr. Sad in the house. Well, he's not in the house. I wish he was, but he is. He is in for the whole hour. We got lots to get to. First, I want to tell you about why Refi. You've heard us talk about them, but you don't necessarily know the other side of what they do. And that is why Refi has an investment arm, invest y refi.com accredited investors can earn up to 10.25% and that interest rate is fixed. Also, you can invest from one to five years and you can spread your investment over those terms to best suit your needs. I think this part is really cool. When you invest in yrefi, your interest is calculated daily, so you can just log on and check it out how much interest you're getting. And it's paid monthly. You can either invest that back into the investment or you can take it out as profit. And just a word about why Refi. We're all in with these guys. They're a great company run by great people, great patriots. They stand for the values that we believe in. Erica loves them, too. We love them. Turning Point loves them. For more information, call 877-80-Invest. That's 87780, INVEST. Or visit them online. INVEST y refi.com for complete details. Make sure you review the private placement memorandum and scan that QR code on your screen to view the disclosures at your leisure. Why Refi investing in America's Future? All right, Dr. Saad, I'm going to tell you what I believe. I think Blake agrees with me, but it's okay if you don't completely. If you go back through America's history, we had this huge immigration wave between the 1880s and about 1920, and they set the. In the 1920s, it had an immigration act with a quota system that was overturned by Hart celler in the 1960s. The people that fought in the 1920s for that immigration quota system did not consider America to be a nation of immigrants. It was a myth that was created after World War II to bring everybody together in this wave of Polish and Irish and Italian immigrants. But before that, they did not want this new wave of Eastern and Southern Europeans because they were too Catholic or the culture, they weren't Anglo enough or whatever. We were a nation of settlers. And the people that warned then about this new wave of immigrants had a point because it then embedded this idea that we're a nation of immigrants and that we sort of have. What's the word, the expression, the blank slate, right? This blank slate of humanity. It doesn't matter if you're Muslim, it doesn't matter if you come from the third World. You'll be an American just as a piece of paper. I hate this myth. I want to destroy this myth. And I'm saying it to a Lebanese man who I believe is like fully American at this point. So help me make sense of this. What are your thoughts on the history that we just went through?

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Well, I completely agree with you, actually. Look, in suicidal Empathy, I talk about this classic categorization error that frankly, if you have greater cognitive acuity than a three day old pigeon, you should be able to not be committing this error. And let me explain what it is. Your cat Fido is a feline. So is the wild lion in the jungle who would happily eat you. They're both called feline. The fact that they're both feline doesn't mean that. When I'm on a safari in Botswana and I see a feline, I say, oh, let me get out of my jeep so I can cuddle with the wild lion because he's a feline, just like the cat I have at home. So. But when you say all immigrants are equal in the way that the progressively suicidally empathetic people do, they're saying that there is no inherent differences between the values that might come with one set of immigrants versus another. And I will receive tons of hate mail, gentlemen, where people say, well, you are such a degenerate hypocrite. You are an immigrant. So is your buddy Elon Musk. So you are immigrants who can come here, but Mohammed and Ahmed, who went to a summer camp in Afghanistan, can't also be perfectly nice Arkansas immigrants. But that's what the categorization error is, right? When you say all immigrants are equal to, you're simply saying that once they become members of the host society, they're treated equally under the law. But the idea that we all come with the exact same baggage, to your point about the Latin term, by the way for empty slate is tabula rasa. We're not tabula rasa. Right. So it's not surprising, for example, if you let in millions of people that come from societies where they've been surveyed and shown to have 95, 96% of those surveyed have endemic Jew hatred. So when these people come to the host societies, what do you think is going to happen? Is Jew hatred going to go up or going or it's going to go down. And so all the politicians are scratching their head and saying, what's causing all this Jew hatred? Well, maybe because you've imported millions of people that have a genocidal hatred toward the Jews.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, novel thought, novel thought. It's also, you know, what bothers me about this whole thing is I am sort of like a product of this tabula rasa ideology because I remember growing up being very much brainwashed into thinking that all everybody's the same and there is no differences. You know, we all was 90. You hear these things like 99.85% of your DNA is the same as somebody. Nobody's arguing any of that. Everybody isn't made in the image and likeness of God. Everybody has dignity before the eyes of the Creator and equality in our laws. But it's also common sense, like once you break the parasite in the brain, like once you break through and you get red pilled or whatever you want to call it, it's so frustrating how stupidly common sense this is. And this is one of the reasons why, you know, there's a, you know, people are talking about MAGA and the coalition fracturing. I will always have respect for President Trump because of one thing. I have a lot of respect for President Trump. But one thing, he came down that golden escalator and he just started throwing bombs about stuff that was these pieties you were not allowed to address. He called dumb wars. Dumb wars. God bless him for that. Before that we weren't allowed to talk about it. He called free trade. He said it was ripping off America and it was, you know, it was hollowing out our manufacturing base. He was right about that. These were pieties you were not allowed to address. And then he said, you know, he said they're sending rapists and murders over here and I suppose some are nice people. You were not allowed to say that stuff. And I remember jumping for joy because at that point I'd become completely convinced our immigration policies were just insanity. Jumping for joy that he had the guts to say it. And that was the first step. One minute left.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

So Let me just. Yeah, yeah. Let me just mention very quickly about the sort of the tabla Rasa premise. The reason why that parasitic idea is so ubiquitous everywhere, so pervasive, is because it is rooted in a form of unicornia hope. Right. It is really nice for me as a prospective parent to think that when my child is born, he or she could be the next Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan or Albert Einstein. It's nice to know that there are no, quote, innate individual differences in biological potentiality. Right. We could all be the next Michael Jordan if only we're hugged enough or not hugged enough. So the reason why these parasitic ideas work so well is because they cater to this fundamental unicornia optimism that most

[Charlie Kirk]

of us carry, especially in America. I will say, you know, we. And this is why I think our foundational myths, it's the software that's running in the background of our brains that we think are these eternal truths, but actually they're myths. Like America is a nation of immigrants. Well, we have immigrants, but we're actually a nation that was founded by settlers. Okay. That's a core myth that we have to deconstruct. And tabula rasa is another one. More with Dr. Saad. And we're going to transition into Islam when we come back.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. There is lots of buzz this afternoon about the potential firing, or actually the firing of Attorney General Pam Bondi. Here's a truth social from President Trump which just came out about 12 minutes ago. He writes in part, we love Pam and. And she will be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future. And our deputy attorney general and a very talented and respected legal mind, Todd Blanche, will step in to serve as acting attorney general. Again, this is all just coming out from President Trump. The announcement had been discussed widely and reported widely over the past hour or so. And now the president coming out with. With this truth social confirming the move that Attorney General Pam Bondi is out. Todd Blanche is now in as the new acting attorney, at least for the time being, of the United States. We, of course, will have much more coverage on all of this throughout the day here on Real America's Voice. Just to reiterate, President Trump writing, we love Pam Bondi and she will be transitioning to a much needed and important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future. And our deputy attorney general and a very talented and respected legal mind Todd Blanche will step in to serve as acting attorney general. This information just coming in from President Trump. In other headlines this morning, a lot of information coming out today. Before delivering his speech to the nation on Wednesday, though, President Trump becoming The first sitting US President to attend a Supreme Court hearing in 47 was in the audience as Solicitor General Dean John Sauer argued for the government in Trump v. Barbara. The case challenges President Trump's executive order on birthright citizenship. The order seeks to clarify the 14th Amendment's interpretation of being born in the United States versus the right to be a U.S. citizen. Government attorneys point to the birth tourism as an example of why birthright citizenship is isn't the same today as it may have been when the 14th Amendment was ratified. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Birmingham, very symbolic ones in the last few days. And I think they're both worthy of note. First is they have. Local elections are coming up in Britain. Charlie visited Britain last spring. He saw Arabic language, Arabic script on all the stores. It just felt very foreign. He felt it when he was in Oxford and Cambridge. And now Birmingham, not even a city he went to, but it's one of the most Islamified cities. And just for context, Birmingham is where the Industrial Revolution was born. It was the Silicon valley of the 1800s. It's where so much innovation happened. Now, Islamified polling for the city council election in Birmingham. The number one party is going to be. It's not going to be a party. It's going to be an independent Islamist alliance slate. They are favored to come in first place with 31 seats out of about 100, it looks like. And so there'll be Islamist party running the largest city in Britain. It's something we haven't seen in Britain since Muhammad came out of the desert. And the other story that's really compelling, there's a Democrat Senate contender in Michigan. He's running in the primary. And he said they got recording for him. In the recording of him in the Washington Free Beacon, he was telling voters he had to stay silent about the killing of the Ayatollah Khamenei because he says many of the Muslim voters he is interacting with in Dearborn and that area around Detroit are very sad about the Ayatollah's demise. So he's going to remain silent on that issue. But they got that recording. So two very profoundly symbolic stories, I think, of what we've allowed to happen to this country. Dr. Saad and can I.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Those are great examples, of course, and they are part of something that I, if memory serves me right, I had mentioned the last time that Charlie and I spoke, which is there. There's been a blueprint that the Muslim Brotherhood, among other Islamic groups have been screaming for everybody to listen to. From the top of the mountain. They said, we're going to conquer the west by three means. And the third means is related to the two examples that you gave. So first, we're going to conquer the west through the womb of our women. Right. Two, we're going to conquer the west through hijra. Hijra is the Arabic word for migration. Even Muhammad did hijra from Mecca to Medina. And so, of course, what does the west do? Say, hey, come on in My brothers in the millions. And then the third way to your point, we're going to conquer the west by using your miserable freedoms against you. And so this is exactly what they're doing. And to your earlier point, Blake, when you said it's not always violent, right. In the 1400 years of history of Islam, not everywhere that they went to, they just decapitated everybody. Right. Sometimes it's that, sometimes it's by imposing very, very stringent rules on the non Muslims, forcing them to convert without putting the sword to their neck. Sometimes it's just by letting demography take its natural toll. So there are many ways by which you can close your eyes and open your eyes and suddenly you Islam to 99.9% Islam. The problem comes from the fact that most people don't have the imagination to be able to extrapolate, Right. So short of you being in Dearborn or in, you know, some areas in Minnesota, you think, well, come on, I live in Arkansas, I live in Washington state. I don't see a problem with Islam. Well, that's because the United States is a very, very large country. So it's going to take many hundreds of years before you see Dearborn repeated everywhere. But if you allow it to happen, I will guarantee you, inshallah, that it will happen. The Birmingham folks are now finding out.

[Blake]

I mean, people are, as you say, really, they're not good at visualizing the numbers. I think often on an exchange I had when I was way out the Daily Caller, one of the first jobs I had, we had an employee who was from Britain, and this is 2014, 2015, and I'm already then raving about Islamization of the west, about Britain. And one time he just got exasperated at me, said, blake, why do you care about this so much when they're 1% of Britain? And I said, that's where you're wrong. It was probably 1% when you were a kid. And we looked it up and at that point it was already 5 or 6% of Britain and it was 10, 15% of London. And how much has it moved then in the decade since when they've kept moving in, They've had high birth rates. Britons haven't had high birth rates. If they're having four kids each and you're having one kid, that moves very fast in a single generation.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And if I could. Go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

I was gonna say, and I made this analogy with Pierce Morgan, but apparently, you know, my logic was impenetrable to his mind. So take for example, diabetes If I say, if I am your endocrinologist and I say, hey, sir, you have diabetes. And then imagine if the next day you wake up and say, look, it's been a day since I've had diabetes and nothing's happened to me, nobody's amputated my extremities. That physician must be an idiot because nothing's happened to me. Look at me. Well, what he's saying, he or she is saying is that there is a very known trajectory of what will happen to you in X number of time period if you don't manage your blood sugar level. It doesn't happen overnight. So that's exactly the issue with demography is destiny. Peter Hammond, by the way, I highly recommend that people check him out. He's a preacher, I think, out of South Africa. He wrote a book many years ago where he broke down what happens to a society. This was a historical analysis as a function of the percentage of Muslims that are in that society, 0 to 2%. Oh, they're just a lovely, peaceful, exotic community, you know, 3 to 5%. We start being more aggressive in our political engagement, but, you know, we're still kind of peaceful. And you could perfectly trace what will exactly happen. So I can show you different countries, you know, France versus Australia versus Canada, and we can put it into the Pete Hammond box to tell you exactly what's happening. But again, that goes to the point of people are unable to extrapolate from time t to time T plus N. If we don't solve this problem, we will wake up one day all being called Abdul.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dr. Saad, what's the. What would Pete Hammond, is that what you said his name was?

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Pete Hammond?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. What was the tipping point where they get really aggressive? 12%, 10%.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

So the aggressive in that, you better start putting on running shoes and really run fast. It doesn't take much. By about 20%, you're already getting into physical violence, Right? So again, that speaks to the fact that, you know, it didn't take 190 million terrorists to alter the New York City skyline, right? It didn't take 190,000, it took just 19. So the idea that you need, you know, all 2 billion Muslims to sign up for violent jihad for you before you wake up from your stupor is really lacking in extrapolation, imagination.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're going to end the Islam talk here with a cut from Charlie. Stop 15. Islamism has a tendency to take over

[Blake]

and metastasize like a cancer.

[Charlie Kirk]

Immigration without assimilation is invasion and Islam does not assimilate. Islam Conquers Islam takes over. Islam devours. Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology. Islam views itself as a conquering faith.

[Blake]

You have to pray five times a

[Charlie Kirk]

day pointing towards a separate nation pledging

[Blake]

fealty to another nation.

[Charlie Kirk]

Islam's own self story is that we will take you over. It's totalitarianism masked as a religion. Well said. It's one of my favorite CK rants about this topic. All right, I want to, I want to break some, some news here. So it is official. Pam Bondi is out and it kind of will transition into the other way that suicidal empathy manifests, which is in our criminal justice system. So let's just go ahead and get Peter Doocy's reporting from Fox News. SOT 16.

[Jay Towne]

Kayleigh, I just got off the phone with President Trump.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

We have a big scoop.

[Charlie Kirk]

Pam Bondi will soon leave her job as the Attorney General. She is going to get a different

[Jay Towne]

job within the administration.

[Charlie Kirk]

It doesn't sound like there is any bad blood between her and President Trump, but it does seem like they want her to go and do something else.

[Jay Towne]

And in an interim role, she will

[Charlie Kirk]

be replaced by Todd Blanche, who is currently her deputy at the Justice Department. So President Trump is given a truth social here. Dr. Sad. He says Pam Bondi is a great American patriot and a loyal friend who faithfully served as my Attorney General over the past year. Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in crime across our country. With murders plummeting to their lowest level since 1900. I'm sure that would just, that just happened. It was just a trend. We love Pam and she will be transitioning to a much needed important new job in the private sector to be announced at a date in the near future. And our deputy Attorney general, the very talented and respected legal mind Todd Blanche, will step in to serve as acting Attorney General. Thank you for your attention to this matter, Blake. We, we, we reported it and it has come true once again. We did this with Kristi Noem, by the way. Same deal.

[Blake]

Well, I think we had, we had an inside scoop on this one. This time our scoop was semaphore, but

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jay Towne]

I regret the state of where we are in politics today where absolutely everything is political and controversial and hard. There's nothing we should be doing to take away from the tragedy of the loss of life that was represented here. But then it was distorted by an erroneous tweet by our president. And then a movement was funded by some right wing billionaires and it found its way to our community. A Private owner of a building decided to put a mural up that I don't think he understood the full context of. And I was asked whether I thought it should come down. And I thought it should. It certainly wasn't bringing us together as a community. I don't think we're a stronger, more united community because of this mural.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

And I thought the best thing to do was to just take it down.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dear God.

[Blake]

That is like the perfect encapsulation of how the left behaves. They love to weaponize that utterly BS Unify our community. We need to heal. They never believe in that. If you wanted to believe in healing, there's a simple way to do it. You allow people to put up monuments for people they like. So.

[Charlie Kirk]

And arrest criminals that are killing people.

[Blake]

Arrest criminals. And if the left, you know, if they want to put up a statue of Cesar Chavez, you know, go for it. They love Cesar Chavez. And then allow us to memorialize the people that are murdered by left wingers, other national heroes. But they always love to say we need to heal while they're ripping down a statue of a founding father, while they're blotting out a mural of an innocent woman who was butchered. These are not statements of healing. These are not statements of unity. These are statements of domination. He can only visualize the world. For him, unity is just. I decide what you value, what you believe, what you see, and if you don't like it, shut up and get out of the way. He's disgusting.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is a perfect embodiment of suicidal empathy. It's a weaponization of empathy. The floor is yours, doctor said.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Yeah, So I would say, though, I will address suicidal empathy as relating to soft on crime policies, but I'm sure that this mayor would have been first in line to hail a mural of George Floyd. That would unify. That would unify the community, but not this poor, beautiful Ukrainian immigrant. Okay, so let's link it to suicidal empathy. Suicidal empathy really has several manifestations, one of which is the hyperactivation of empathy. Right. But the other part of suicidal empathy is when, you know, we all have a fixed tank of empathy that we could met out. Now, evolution has endowed us with the capacity to strategically met out our empathy in biologically relevant ways. So if a bus is hurling down at my children or at some random strangers, notwithstanding that I would love to save everybody, I am much more likely to jump in front of the bus to protect my children. Right. Even though in a dream world everybody should be saved. What suicidal empathy does is it completely removes the correct targeting of who should be privy to your empathy. So a felon, I call them, by the way, blank slate felons. To our earlier point, talking about blank slate felons are born perfectly lovely and it's only society that has made them bad, especially if they are felons of color. So they've already been victimized by the white supremacy of the United States to now punish them when they've only been arrested 174 times. Shouldn't you be giving them as 175th second chance? And so it removes the personal agency of these felons so that all of our empathy is targeting the criminals and not the victims. But I'll add another twist to the criminality dimension of suicidal empathy. Suicidal empathy is so parasitic that even the victims of the crimes feel greater empathy to their felon who victimized them than to themselves. And I'll give you two quick examples. Example 1 Norwegian man is sodomized by a Somali immigrant. When the Somali immigrant is about to be deported back to Somalia. The guy who had been raped by the Somali guy had a existential breakdown because he felt so guilty that the Somali sodomizer was not going to get a chance to live a flourished life in Mogadishu. That's example one. Example two. A white American woman went to Haiti to break down the stereotype that black men could be violent. She was held on top of a rooftop by a Haitian man who viciously raped her. And she walked away from that lesson or from that experience with two lessons. It's white supremacy that made him do this because he was so enraged by how he was victimized. And she ended up learning from this experience. So when you have a guy who is sodomized and a woman who's viciously raped themselves feeling empathy for their rapists, you couldn't have a better poster child of suicidal empathy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Geez. And you know, I'm reminded of Sarah Rogers who has those examples out of the Europe. Europe has lost its.

[Blake]

Yeah, you'll get a worse punishment for, you know, calling a group of gang rapists savages or whatever it was than the rapists themselves will get or pigs. Something like that. And it's just, it's so destructive. I mean, we were also bashing Canada the other day, along with everything else that they do in Canada.

[David Zier]

Feel free.

[Blake]

Yeah, I mean, Canada has. They just explicitly have racial discrimination in their laws. They say if you are from a racialized group because races aren't real. It's just some groups are racialized. That's the Canada conceit. Then you get punished less for crimes.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Forgive me for interrupting you because I'm seeing the countdown. I want to get in as many cool facts for your audience. In Canada, the University of Waterloo, which is sort of the equivalent of Caltech or mit, a largely engineering computer science school, was hiring Canada research chairs. This is the highest endowed professorship that Canada has. They wanted to hire AI professors to be competitive in AI and the job description said that you had to be non binary, two spirit or transgender to hold that position. So the Canadian government that endows this chair does not pick the best AI people. They have to be non binary or two spirit. Canada has stage five suicidal empathy.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dr. Gad said this was amazing. He's suicidal empathy. Please pick it up.

[David Zier]

Up.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's been so much fun. Yes. I genuinely believe that this is the vaccine to save the west and I really mean that. And Elon Musk agrees. Others agree, but thank you, Dr. Saad. It's been a pleasure.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

Thank you so much, guys. You're a pleasure. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Cheers. We'll talk to you soon. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Good Friday.

[Dr. Gad Saad]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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