The Charlie Kirk Show, December 1, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — December 1, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)

Episode Theme: National Guard Shooting, Immigration, and American Identity

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show centers on the aftermath of a deadly shooting of National Guardsmen near the White House, which was perpetrated by an Afghan immigrant. The panel discusses the political, cultural, and policy ramifications of the event, focusing heavily on immigration, national security, and the heated responses from political leaders, particularly Donald Trump's hardline new immigration moratorium proposal. Guests include Kentucky Senate candidate Nate Morris, pollster Rich Barris, and crime and immigration expert Heather McDonald. The conversation is unfiltered, confrontational, and steeped in the podcast's signature right-populist tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The National Guard Shooting in Washington, D.C.

Timestamps: 09:16–10:36

• Incident Recap:

  • Two National Guardsmen, Sarah Beckstrom (deceased, 20) and Andrew Wolf, were attacked "in an ambush style shooting" just blocks from the White House by Rahm Manula Lockinwal, an Afghan national who entered the US under humanitarian parole in 2021.
  • The shooter had worked with the CIA in Afghanistan and was granted asylum in April 2025.

• Immediate Reactions:

  • President Trump quickly characterized the assault as "an act of evil and terror... a crime against humanity" (02:34).
  • Heated blame was thrown at the Biden administration for letting "thousands of other people that shouldn’t be here" into the country (04:16–04:20), sparking a debate about broader immigration/security policy.

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2. Political and Policy Fallout: Trump's Immigration Moratorium

Timestamps: 11:03–14:52, 59:29–61:52

• Trump’s Truth Social Statement:

  • Trump released a fiery post decrying the state of American cities and institutions, linking it to mass immigration and welfare dependency. “Only reverse migration can fully cure this situation” (12:54–13:20).
  • Outlined a new policy to pause migration from "all third world countries" and remove anyone deemed not a "net asset" or "incapable of loving our country."

• Panel Reaction:

  • Charlie Kirk and team frame the proposal as a "grab bag of goody bags for the MAGA movement."
  • Andrew Colvett predicts the proposal will be "broadly very popular... with American people of all backgrounds" and not limited to "a white thing" (14:52).
  • The left’s reaction is predicted to consist of outrage, especially from "white progressives."

• Enforcement and Crime Rhetoric:

  • Blake Neff points out America historically separates families in the criminal justice system and applies this logic to immigration enforcement (15:04–15:32).
  • The group argues that the debate is shifting from compassion to law and that tough lines are what voters want.

Notable Quote:

"Only reverse migration can fully cure this situation."
— Donald Trump (13:20)

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3. Afghans, Refugee Policy, and the GOP Divide

Timestamps: 30:44–37:46

• Guest: Nate Morris (Kentucky Senate Candidate):

  • Criticizes rival Andy Barr and Republican leadership for "standing with Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Mike Pence against the MAGA movement" on refugee resettlement.
  • Calls for a "full moratorium on any new immigration" until all "illegals" are deported. Declares, “We are absolutely full as a country, we can’t handle any more” (32:14–33:43).
  • Casts the national conflict as a defense of "Western civilization."

• Culture vs. Crime:

  • The discussion turns to fears of cultural replacement and demographic shifts (“We breed. We’re a breeding people... Your music sucks. All your culture sucks...” — Andrew Colvett quoting Wajahat Ali, 38:26).

• Blood on Their Hands Rhetoric:

  • Morris suggests that "Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, Andy Barr... have blood on their hands" for their immigration votes (36:07).

Notable Quotes:

“We need tough lines. We need tough men to defend Western civilization like yourself.”
— Andrew Colvett (35:05)

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4. Crime, Media Framing, and Ethnic Bloc Politics

Timestamps: 22:17–23:08, 23:24–25:49

• Sympathy in the Press:

  • Panel derides media portrayals of the Afghan shooter as a victim of “financial stress and a potential mental health crisis,” mocking the "fourth such story" painting the killer as sympathetic (22:17–22:50).

• Minnesota Somali Welfare Fraud:

  • Discussion of a major fraud scandal involving Somali refugees in Minnesota, referencing NYT coverage and union/whistleblower claims that political fear of offending a "core voting bloc" enabled massive welfare fraud (23:24–25:49).

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5. Polling: Immigration Moratorium’s Political Impact

Timestamps: 58:24–67:47

• Guest: Rich Barris (People’s Pundit, Pollster):
  • Real-time polling data shows majority support for Trump’s immigration moratorium: "It has not polled below a majority for the three days we’ve been in the field among likely voters. It’s actually 57%... plus 24" (60:06).
  • The policy is popular with significant support even among some Democrats; enthusiasm for voting (especially among Republicans) spikes by eight points following Trump’s announcement (63:22).

Notable Quotes:

“We just don’t see policies this popular very often anymore in this country... This is a consensus.”
— Rich Barris (60:50)

"This is what I voted for."
— Andrew Colvett (67:47)

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6. Cultural and Ideological Realignment

Timestamps: 72:41–74:22

• Polling on Democrat Identity:

  • Barris shares findings that 60% of Democratic voters now self-identify as “democratic socialist” or “socialist” (74:22).
  • Discusses the erasure of "moderate" or "traditional liberal" from the Democratic coalition, concluding, “This is a party of socialists now.”

• Panel Analysis:

  • Suggests America faces a binary choice between "right wing populism in the form of MAGA" or leftist socialism, warning about the historical consequences of left-wing democide (75:07).
  • Blake Neff notes the “third worldification” of American political instincts.

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7. Crime, Incarceration, and Immigrant Crime Rates

Timestamps: 82:49–100:32

• Guest: Heather McDonald (Crime & Immigration Commentator):
  • Addresses the problem of "under-incarceration," blaming “elite” values for “prioritizing the freedom of criminals and deranged people over the safety of the law-abiding” (84:57).
  • Argues the system is “way under-incarcerating,” citing the impact of "decriminalizing" and judicial reluctance due to disparate racial impact.
  • Details ripple effects of crime: rising housing prices, declining public order, and businesses shuttering due to shoplifting.

Notable Quotes:

“Prison remains a lifetime achievement award for persistence in criminal offending... You have to work very hard as a criminal to get a prosecutor and a judge to agree on sending you away for a long time.”
— Heather McDonald (90:57)

• Immigrant Crime Rates:

  • Disputes claims that immigrants commit less crime than natives: “The data... for especially illegal aliens offending is very, very scattershot and incomplete. It depends as well on the source country, the ethnicity. Asians generally have a much lower crime rate than everybody else, Hispanics generally higher than whites but lower than blacks...” (96:47–99:48).
  • McDonald: “By the second and third generation of immigrants, that’s where you see crime going up as the children of immigrants assimilate into the underclass culture.”

• Panel Conclusion:

  • Suggests that, above all, the true concern is cultural change and destabilization, not just crime rates.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Donald Trump (on Biden and refugees):

  “Because they let them in. Are you stupid? Are you, are you a stupid person? Because they came in on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here.” (04:16–04:20)

• Andrew Colvett/Panel (reacting to anti-American rant):

  “That's the thing with brown people. I'm gonna say this as a brown person. There's a lot of us and we breed. We're a breeding people. Your story is a story filled with misery... your music sucks. All your culture sucks.” (38:26)

• Heather McDonald (on elite priorities):

  "The criminal justice system is set up by our elites – values the freedom of criminals and deranged people over the safety of the law abiding and the hardworking." (84:57)

• Rich Barris (on polling):

  “We’re looking at about a third who opposes it [immigration moratorium] and you can tell who they are... But among likely voters, this thing is popular." (60:06)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [09:16] – Recap of the National Guard ambush and attacker's background.
• [11:03] – Trump’s Truth Social immigration policy excerpt.
• [13:20] – “Only reverse migration can fully cure this situation.”
• [14:52] – Prediction: immigration moratorium widely popular, even beyond GOP.
• [22:17] – Media framing Afghan shooter in sympathetic light.
• [23:24] – Somali fraud case in Minnesota and partisan maneuvering.
• [30:44] – Nate Morris criticizes GOP rivals, reiterates “moratorium” platform.
• [35:05] – "We need tough lines, tough men to defend Western civilization."
• [59:29] – Rich Barris on immediate poll results for the proposed moratorium.
• [60:06] – "57% support among likely voters. Plus 24."
• [63:22] – Republican enthusiasm surges after Trump policy.
• [74:22] – 60% of Democrats now self-identify as democratic socialist or socialist.
• [84:57] – Heather McDonald on “under-incarceration” crisis.
• [96:47–99:48] – McDonald on unclear immigrant crime data, cultural concerns.

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Tone & Style

The show is unapologetically combative, highly opinionated, and steeped in right-populist rhetoric. There’s frequent mockery of opponents, emotional pleas to "defend Western civilization", and fiery language regarding political elites and the consequences of immigration. Data and polling are used to buttress arguments that a restrictive, merit-based immigration system is not only necessary but extremely popular.

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Conclusion: Core Takeaways

• The show frames the National Guard shooting as the latest and most pointed evidence that US immigration policy—especially refugee and asylum programs—are broken and dangerous.
• Trump's hardline proposal to halt all third-world immigration is not only justified, they argue, but extremely popular across party lines.
• The discussion repeatedly links mass migration to political instability, welfare abuse, urban crime, and perceived cultural decline.
• The podcast guests and hosts embrace a narrative of crisis and betrayal, urging tough new policies—in their view, the only way to preserve American identity and Western values.
• The left, Democrats, and "elite" Republicans are castigated for siding with foreign interests or criminals over ordinary Americans.

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For listeners seeking a comprehensive conservative/“America First” reaction to recent U.S. news on immigration, crime, and cultural debate, this episode delivers in detail and intensity.

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk]

What we know, Andrea, is that this is a targeted shooting. One individual who appeared to target these guardsmen. That individual has been taken in to custody.

[Donald Trump]

This heinous assault was an act of evil and act of hatred and an act of terror. It was a crime against our entire nation. It was a crime against humanity.

[Blake Neff]

Would an individual have flown across the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Country to target law enforcement officers in.

[Blake Neff]

Washington, D.C. and, I mean, the answer is likely no. So why wasn't the President's first thought.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wow, you know, maybe I should reconsider.

[Blake Neff]

Deploying military troops in the nation's capital.

[Charlie Kirk]

Or in any city.

[Donald Trump]

We must now reexamine every single alien who has entered our country from Afghanistan under Biden, and we must take all necessary measures to ensure the removal of.

[Andrew Colvett]

Any alien from any country who does.

[Donald Trump]

Not belong here or add benefit to our country. If they can't love our country, we don't want them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Obviously, in Trump's America, this is exactly what he wants. And the idea that one person can get out of line and commit such a horrific crime as shooting two of our National Guardsmen. Two National Guardsmen that never, ever asked to be here. In fact, we know the young lady that lost her life specifically, we're saying that this is a waste of time. But now you want to go against every single immigrant? That doesn't make sense. And it's frankly not who we are. Because if that's the case, let's talk about the white supremacists and how many of them need to be kicked out of this country, because I can guarantee you I can track down more crimes that they've committed because overall, immigrants have a lower crime committal rate than white supremacists. But we don't want to talk about that in this country. Why do you blame the Biden administration?

[Donald Trump]

Because they let them in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Are you stupid? Are you, Are you a stupid person?

[Donald Trump]

Because they came in on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here.

[Terrence Bates]

Two people fighting for their lives, Guardsmen that this president put there. And as I said, I was one that was very vocal against that. Of course, you know, there's so much.

[Andrew Colvett]

Controversy happening in the United States right now with ice, who are also wearing.

[Blake Neff]

Uniforms and wearing masks. And so there's, you don't know, people.

[Andrew Colvett]

Walking around with uniforms.

[Blake Neff]

In an American city.

[Andrew Colvett]

Congressman, after these shootings, people did start posting online criticizing you and the five.

[Blake Neff]

Other Democratic members of Congress for posting your video suggesting that it may somehow.

[Andrew Colvett]

Have put a target on the National Guardsman's back.

[Blake Neff]

It's just crazy stuff, outrageous stuff. I mean, it's been, what, a half hour since we've even learned any basic facts about the alleged shooter here. Dangerous rhetoric. And let's be clear, the only threats and calls for violence came from the President and his supporters after he called for our arrest.

[Heather McDonald]

This is really the worst case scenario.

[Charlie Kirk]

For every Afghan immigrant in this country. You know, from covering immigrants and other marginalized communities that often when these episodes happen, folks kind of hold their breath praying that it isn't someone who holds their identity right. Because often there is this reflex to demonize entire communities.

[Andrew Colvett]

You have lost. You lost. The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place. That's the thing with brown people. I'm going to say this as a brown person. There's a lot of us like a lot. And we breed. We're a breeding people. Your story is a story filled with misery. It's filled with bland chicken. It's filled with terrible, terrible dry meat. Your music sucks.

[Blake Neff]

All your culture sucks. Do you blame all Afghans for this one man?

[Donald Trump]

No, but we've had a lot of problems with Afghans because they had a lot of them coming in on these planes. Again, I show you this picture. We had a lot of them coming in on these planes that are.

[Andrew Colvett]

There was no checking.

[Donald Trump]

They just poured into the plane, but they came in. Yeah, I know the steel story. Many are wonderful.

[Andrew Colvett]

But yeah, I'm sure the bill by Senator Toberville that is Islamophobic and talking.

[Terrence Bates]

About sending every immigrant Islamist out of America.

[Andrew Colvett]

This bill was as a result of the horrific incidents that just happened. When somebody does something, let's punish the person. But let's not punish innocent people. Let's not go punishing a whole faith because of something that happened.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is Monday. We are in the month of December. Finally. I hope you all had a very warm, restful, relaxing Thanksgiving holiday with your friends and family. You ate too much food. There's a lot going on. There was a ton of news that.

[Blake Neff]

Was, that was probably the biggest news weekend over a Thanksgiving that I can recall. There's probably one I'm forgetting about.

[Andrew Colvett]

Kicked off on Wednesday. It really Wednesday Evening is when two National Guardsmen, Sarah Beckstrom, who's 20 years old, she's now deceased, and Andrew Wolf, were attacked in an ambush style shooting targeting the National Guard just a few.

[Blake Neff]

Blocks from the White house.

[Andrew Colvett]

Stop.

[Blake Neff]

That's two blocks, basically.

[Andrew Colvett]

And the attacker is 29 year old Rahm Manula Lockinwal Ramanola Lockinwall background. He is an Afghan national who entered the US in 2021 under humanitarian parole following the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. He had collaborated reportedly with the CIA as a member of a partner force in Kandahar.

[Blake Neff]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. And then he resided in. So apparently he applied for asylum December 2024, which was approved April 23, 2025.

[Blake Neff]

So they're saying, like the Trump administration proved this. I believe it's asylum judges who evaluate these for the most part.

[Andrew Colvett]

He resided in Bellingham, Washington, which is basically, it's on the border of Canada. And he drove 40 hours across the country to carry out this attack. And then all hell breaks loose. Everything. Go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, yeah. And on top of that, we should add, he has a wife and five children. Who shall be your burden to bear for the rest of time because, of course. And so, yeah, all hell breaks loose. He conducts this attack. And this is happening really right after the show on Wednesday. And email us Freedom, Charlie Kirk, if you were following this or if this is all news to you. If you were checked out for the holiday. So what really happens is, what's incredible is President Trump reacts very sharply to this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Very strong.

[Blake Neff]

He gives some remarks, he gives some remarks that night. But what was especially telling was the truth social post he made. Was it that night or the following day?

[Andrew Colvett]

It was the following day.

[Blake Neff]

Following day.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, yeah, I mean, actually, technically it was, I think, later that night.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, let's just, I want to, I want to read this because it's actually just quite a barn burner of a statement. I won't read the whole thing, but I want to read.

[Andrew Colvett]

Exactly. I was pulling up the, the most important portion of it.

[Blake Neff]

I just, I think we should just, I'll blitz through it really quick. A very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged and laughed at along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid. When it comes to immigration, the official US foreign population stands at 53 million people, most of which are on welfare from failed nations or from prisons, mental institutions, gangs or drug cartels. Let's skip ahead a bit. A migrant earning $30,000 with a green card will get roughly $50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. The real migrant population is much higher. This refugee burden is the leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II, with failed schools, crime, urban decay, overcrowded hospitals, housing shortages and large deficits, etc. As an example, and this is, he calls out the story. We covered a bunch last week, the Somali fraud stuff that Chris Rufo covered. He says in the state of Minnesota, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somali. It's about 80, it's about 80,000 total. But it's Trump are completely taking over the once great state of Minnesota. Somali gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses, hoping they will be left alone. The seriously retarded governor.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, I was curious if we're going to, if we're going to censor ourselves.

[Blake Neff]

The governor of Minnesota, Tim Walsh, does nothing, either through fear, incompetence, or both. While the worst congresswoman in our country, Ilhan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling hijab, who probably came into the US Illegally and that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but hatefully complain, goes on longer. And then he concludes, only reverse migration can fully cure this situation.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, so here's where he goes down his polygon policy endorsements. So he says I will permanently pause migration from all third world countries to allow the US system to fully recover. I will terminate all of the millions of Biden illegal admissions, including those signed by Sleepy Joe Biden's auto pen and remove anyone who is not a net asset to the United States or is incapable of loving our country. He will end all federal benefits and subsidies to non citizens of our country. That's a huge one that probably hasn't gotten enough attention. Denaturalize migrants who undermine domestic tranquility and deport any foreign national who is a public charge security risk or non compatible with western civilization.

[Blake Neff]

And then.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah. And then reverse migration. So now all hell breaks loose. The the rest of the weekend is basically a back and forth debate about the merits of this. And I had a prediction. I called the shot early in the morning and we're going to have Rich Barris on at the top of hour two to see if I was right. But, but I said this will be the, probably the most controversial. I think that's safe to say the left wing media is going to lose its mind. They've already proven that over the ensuing days. But this will be broadly very popular, broadly very popular with American people of all backgrounds, by the way. It doesn't, it's not just a white thing, it's not just a European descent thing. This like if you are here legally, if you are a law abiding citizen and you're sick of seeing the country getting take advantage and overrun, you are going to love this policy.

[Blake Neff]

And it's already the case that if you're a foreigner, you're not supposed to be here. If you're a public charge. And we just, we routinely don't care about enforcing that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Just stop. We've expanded in general. We just stopped having standards in general.

[Blake Neff]

It really was like it was a true case frankly of you could either have laws or you could kind of feel mean sometimes enforcing laws which I'll be frank, we have no problem doing that for all sorts of other laws. Like fun fact. Did you know that families are separated when we arrest a murderer or a gang banger and put them in prison? A lot of those guys have kids, some of them have wives, a lot of them have family members. They freak out. We put them away because it is for the good of the country and for society. And we can do the same thing with our immigration policy.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and it's, listen, I think it's important because the liberal freak out. And so here's here's what I also said. I predicted the liberal freak out is going to be predominantly from white progressives. And I think that that is mostly proving true. But there's voices of all shades coming out against this. But they're all Democrats and it's all relatively predictable stuff.

[Blake Neff]

Well, and an Indiana senator, a Republican, says he's not going to vote for redistricting because Trump said the word retarded.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. And that turns out that that same Indiana senator's wife is getting certain contracts. He's also been, it's probably not guilty of a dui, all sorts of things. Well, let's just, let's just play a smattering here now of people blaming President Trump for the shooting which kicked this whole weekend off. Let's go ahead and say, let's just, we'll say Al Sharpton because he's always fun. 1, 1, 1 Two people fighting for.

[Terrence Bates]

Their lives Guardsmen that this president put there. And as I said, I was one that was very vocal against that.

[Andrew Colvett]

He's very vocal against that. Here's Rep. Wasserman Schultz blaming Trump as well. 110 Would an individual have flown across the country to target law enforcement officers.

[Blake Neff]

In Washington, D.C. and I mean, the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Answer is likely no. So why wasn't the President's first thought.

[Blake Neff]

Wow, you know, maybe I should reconsider deploying military troops in the nation's capital.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or in any city. Now, reminder, the National Guard has been largely very successful in its deployments. Crime is down. They are a peacekeeping force. They, they are not out there pointing guns in people's faces. It's simply, it's, it's the same, it.

[Blake Neff]

Was a purely symbolic act.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

Just he wanted to attack American soldiers and this was a high profile way for him to do it, 1,000%.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way, this guy was working with the CIA. And this is what gets me actually, when I think about this. Listen, there are some good Afghan people that worked loyally. My brother was deployed to Afghanistan and says very nice things about some of them, says some not so nice things about others. But basically what the litmus test was, well, listen, if you're going to accept CIA cash and betray your own homeland and work with an invading force, then we are going to reward you by bringing you over here with no, no strings attached and all five of your kids. Yeah. And you can all have 500. 500 kids and live on the public dole. It's getting, the logic is just astounding. And I think Americans are getting very, very fed up with having our country overrun and ripped off. That's why it will be popular. I want to tell you really quickly about our partners over at Patriot Mobile. Did you know that they are the only wireless provider that supports your values, your Christian conservative values. Support two way pro life, pro first responders. That is what is so great about Patriot Supply. You are my Patriot Mobile. Pardon me. They are an amazing, amazing partner of the show. Glenn and the team are fantastic patriots. And you get to keep your phone, keep your number or upgrade if you want to upgrade your phone, all within minutes. All US Based support system. It is a fantastic company. And here's the, here's the main thing. You get access to all three major wireless provider networks or in my case, I have done two on one phone. So check it out. Go to patriot mobile.com Charlie patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot today. Make the switch. We'll be right back.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Blake Neff]

As investigators continue to delve into what may have motivated the suspect in the deadly National Guard shooting last week. A portrait of a life of increasing financial stress and a potential mental health crisis. He shouted the system failed him.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. He shouted al Akbar while he shot the National Guard.

[Blake Neff]

The FBI just like flipping tables.

[Andrew Colvett]

What could have motivated. We can't figure this out. Twiddling their thumbs.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, disgusting.

[Andrew Colvett]

Just abs. But by the way, this is a fourth such mainstream news media article about this shooter. They're painting in a sympathetic light.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

A mental health crisis.

[Andrew Colvett]

And this is what they do with the legal immigration.

[Blake Neff]

We give all of the asylum seekers $300,000 in free mental health care. This might not have happened if we.

[Andrew Colvett]

If there were no billionaires, then you know what it was?

[Blake Neff]

Inequality. Society is to blame for this systemic.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oppression of this Afghan.

[Blake Neff]

We can't dump on the media too much because over the weekend. Well, okay, we can always dump on the media. I was gonna say I was very happy this happened over the weekend. And it shows you how bad it was. So we covered the Somali fraud story with Chris Rufo and Thorpe. Ryan Thorpe.

[Andrew Colvett]

You have Ryan Thorpe. Yes.

[Blake Neff]

We always have to make sure it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Was two guys, both of.

[Blake Neff]

And so they covered all the feeding frenzy of fraud in the Somali community.

[Andrew Colvett]

By the way, that story blew up. We were early on. We were early on it.

[Blake Neff]

And, you know, they're frauding the autism program, the housing program, and they're sending.

[Andrew Colvett]

Money to Al Shabaab.

[Blake Neff]

Shabaab. But even if it doesn't, it's just absolute. It's this cloistered ethnic community that is ripping off the rest of Minnesota. And so the New York Times, clearly they had an article that came out this weekend how fraud swamped Minnesota's social services system on Tim Walls's watch. And what's crazy about is they just have to say it's members of the Somali diaspora. It's very clear. The New York Times had this story and was sitting on it and they had to sort of roll it out once this got covered. And the story, I don't need to read the whole thing, but it just, it basically frankly says, yeah, it's over a billion dollars, which if you run the numbers, and I did, it's about 80,000 Somalis in Minnesota. That's 12 and a half thousand dollars per person in fraud. If they got a billion dollars out of this through Feeding Our Future, which was a Covid scam, through this housing program they were ripping off through the autism program. And I suspect there's others too. It's just this clear case of any program that exists. We will find a way to commit fraud against it because we don't really consider it wrong to do, as far as I can tell. And there was an amazing follow up, which was the union for Minnesota's Department of Human Services, they just dropped a Tweet. Absolutely. Just 100% blame. This has to be a left wing union. And they just blame Tim Walls. And they say Tim Walls is 100% responsible for massive fraud in Minnesota. We let Governor Walls know of fraud early on, hoping for a partnership in stopping it. But no, we got the opposite response. Tim Walls systematically retaliated against whistleblowers with monitoring threats, repression, and he did his best to discredit fraud reports.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, so Tim Walls is actually, and.

[Blake Neff]

They say this in the New York Times article as well, they say that they were, they caught the fraud right away and they just said, oh, well, we're going to accuse you of racism if you don't keep the money flowing. And that just 100% worked on Minnesota Democrats. And it also says, and this is important, this gets at the heart of everything. They didn't act because Somalis were seen as a core voting bloc for Minnesota Democrats. Yeah, it's our votes don't stop the fraud.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, you saw that in the mayoral race, by the way.

[Blake Neff]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way. So Trump is now blaming Joe Biden for this. He gets asked on Air Force One. I believe it was in Air Force One. Maybe it was actually in the Oval. I can't remember this, but I got this clip sent to me by at least five people over the weekend saying Trump is back. They love this side of Trump where he just, he kind of just rips into reporters. Let's play 107.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why do you blame the Biden administration?

[Andrew Colvett]

Because they let him in. Are you stupid? Are you a stupid person?

[Donald Trump]

Because they came into on a plane along with thousands of other people that shouldn't be here.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I mean, it just kept going on and on and on. I mean, let's play 108. This is another good club. Do you blame all Afghans for this one, man?

[Donald Trump]

No, but we've had a lot of problems with Afghans because they had a lot of them coming in on these planes. Again, I show you this picture. We had a lot of them coming in on these planes that are.

[Andrew Colvett]

Look at them.

[Donald Trump]

There was no check in. They just poured into the plane, but they came in. Yeah, I know. This many are wonderful.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Blake Neff]

You know, I really hope that it was 19 countries, including Afghanistan, Iran, Venezuela, a lot in Africa. I really hope this holds up. I mean, what's crazy, I was looking at that. There's still 1800 Afghans that are trying to bring into the US they're sitting in Qatar right now, I believe.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Well, and by the way, the news breaking on the Sunday shows is that Secretary Kristi Noem is going to move to deport even those with pending asylum claims. So the crackdown on this is huge. I want to hear your thoughts. Please email us freedomarliekirk.com we're going to read them in the final segment of this hour. Do you like President Trump's tweet? Well, actually was a tweet. What was an ex post. So he did it right on Wednesday night, early, early Thursday morning. Do you like it? Freedomarliekirk.com freedomarliekirk.com we're gonna get to them. Next up, Nate Morris from Kentucky. We'll be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Democracy lives in light. The CHARLIE KIRK show. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this fine show with Blake Neff. We're about to bring in Nate Morris from Kentucky to talk about some of the breaking news over the weekend and what to do with immigration. But first, I'm going to tell you about our friends over at Patriot Mobile. Think about it. Every dollar you spend is either supporting the values, your values are working against them. In today's economy, where you spend your money matters. That's how we take back our country. Patriot Mobile is leading the way as America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. Switch today without sacrificing quality or service. You'll get exceptional nationwide coverage because Patriot Mobile has access to all three major US Networks. All three. So you can even add two numbers on two different networks on one phone, which is what I do. The dual sim I highly recommend stay connected with flexible unlimited data plans to fit your lifestyle. These plans offer high speed data mobile hotspots, international roaming device protection and even Internet backup. And here's the best part. When you switch to Patriot Mobile, you're supporting faith, family and freedom. If you believe in our first and second amendment rights, the sanctity of life and supporting veterans, this is where you belong. Switching is simple. Do it in minutes. 100% US based team will activate you right away. So go to patriotmobile.com Charlie patriotmobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot to get a free month of service with promo code. Charlie, make the switch. Defend faith and freedom with every call and text. All right. Joining us now is Nate Morris. He's a Republican out of Kentucky and he's a candidate for the U.S. senate. Nate, welcome back to the show. It's good to see you.

[Nate Morris]

Oh, it's great to see you. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

[Andrew Colvett]

We did. Besides all the breaking news and your name started getting thrown in the mix of so much of the conversation because you have been hitting the issues of immigration from the time you got into this race. You even came on with Charlie to talk about it. So I want to get into that, but first, I'm going to have you react to a clip that was circulating this weekend over Kentucky Senate Republican candidate Andy Barr. And he's talking it's a clip, it's a flashback clip to when he's talking about how much he supported resettling all these Afghans in America.

[Charlie Kirk]

115 about resettlement of those refugees.

[Heather McDonald]

Where should they go? What are the options?

[Blake Neff]

Yes. I mean, we have failed in our obligation to help many of these Afghans who risked their lives and in many case died for the cause of their own country in assistance to the United States. And we owe them to help them get into our country with these visas and the P1 and P2 visas as well.

[Donald Trump]

And I voted for these special immigrant.

[Andrew Colvett]

Visas because it would send a terrible message to our allies around the world.

[Blake Neff]

That, that we're going to abandon you.

[Donald Trump]

If you help us in your time of need. Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Nate Morris, your reaction to that clip.

[Nate Morris]

Just absolutely and utter disgraceful. And, and let's go back to this debate. Let's go back to 2021, when we were having this debate as a country. And Andy Barr at that moment was standing with Joe Biden, was standing with Mitch McConnell, was standing with Mike Pence against the MAGA movement on this position to allow these Afghan refugees into our country. And, and again, President Trump got it right. He predicted that this would happen. And we see this firsthand, that you look at J.D. vance's position, you look at Charlie's position as we were having this debate as a country. And it's no surprise that Andy Barr again sided with his mentor, Mitch McConnell, and the Swamp creatures like Joe Biden and others. This is what he truly believes. He's had a long history of amnesty. He's had a long history of putting foreign countries ahead of the interests of American people. And we've got to get tough in this country and we've got to have common sense. And I go back to what has been animated our campaign. We've called for a full moratorium on any new immigration coming into our country until we deport every single one of these illegals that have invaded us. We're absolutely full as a country we can't handle anymore. And for the sake of Western civilization, for the sake of our people, we've got to keep fighting and make sure we keep all these folks out until we get our hands on this issue. And President Trump once again got it right, and that's why he's come out with his moratorium because this must happen to save the country, to save Western civilization.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And you were on this early, Nate, and I think you need to. We need to play a clip to give you your proper credit here, because this is a clip from August 25th of you with Charlie talking about the immigration moratorium. Let's go ahead and play cut 114.

[Blake Neff]

Want to stop all immigration. I'm sorry, all immigration. Nate Morris, that's amazing. You want an immigration moratorium.

[Rich Barris]

Producer Andrew right now is giving you standing ovation.

[Blake Neff]

Explain, Nate Morris, what do you mean by that?

[Nate Morris]

There's at least 20 congressional seats that would flip from Democrat to Republican if illegals didn't vote in our elections. And Charlie, we know that Democrats love illegals coming into our country so they can cheat and they can get these illegals on our census and they can rig elections. And we know that rhinos love illegals because they love cheap labor. And the only way to fix this is we gotta stop. We've gotta have a full moratorium. And I stand with the American worker. We have to put American people first. And we've gotta build stuff in this country again. You know that, Charlie. And this is a matter of national security, but it's also about the viability of our middle class.

[Andrew Colvett]

Nate Morris, that was. I mean, you talk about how we need to get tough. Blake and I were just talking about in the break, we were saying, you know, how many problems we could just instantly overnight the fix everything switch that.

[Blake Neff]

You can hit by just not importing.

[Andrew Colvett]

The entire third world problem, not importing a permanent underclass. And in the case of the Somalis in. In Minnesota, we're seeing massive fraud rings. And by the way, they're trying to say that you cannot impugn the character of an entire people because of the actions of the few. That's not the American way in general. I agree. But when you have enough problems of your own here and we're just gonna heap gasoline on an already burning house, that makes zero sense. And I think guys like you that are willing to say the tough things out loud, willing to take hard lines and tough stances, you are going to inspire the enthusiasm of a voting base that a guy like Andy Barr just simply cannot because he's still singing off of like a 20, you know, I don't know, 2008 song sheet, and it just doesn't work anymore. Our problems have grown too big, too massive. We need tough lines. We need tough men to defend Western civilization like yourself. You know, react however you will. Nate Morris.

[Nate Morris]

Well, how many tragedies do we have to have in this country to finally get real and to get tough and to have common sense? I mean, this tragedy could have been prevented, I believe, if we'd gotten tough with the people we let in our country. They should have never been here to begin with. And let's, let's call a spade a spade here. Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden, Mike Pence, all the Never Trumpers, and Andy Barr, they have blood on their hands. They have blood on their hands because of how they voted and what they're supporting and their policies and adamantly opposing. Donald Trump, J.D. vance, Charlie Kirk and the whole MAGA movement for where we were on this position in 2021. And they cannot run from that. They've got to take responsibility for that. And it's time, once and for all, we've got to get tough as a country. And how many more tragedies do we have to have and talk about as a country before we make it happen? Enough is enough. And we've seen all this fraud, all this crime, all the jobs that have been taken, all the hospitals that are full, all the schools that are being overrun, all the hit and runs. I mean, you wouldn't believe the hit and runs that I hear about in Kentucky from illegals. And once and for all, let's get it right. Let's be tough as a country. Let's stand with President Trump and make sure all these folks go back, we get this moratorium in place and we don't ingest any more Third World problems. These are folks that are never going to share our values. They're never going to assimilate, they're never going to accept American exceptionalism and for what it means. But most importantly, this is a generational battle to protect Western civilization. And we got one shot and we got to take it.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, I'm reminded right now, Blake, of that verse that Charlie used to always quote from Deuteronomy 28:43. The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower. They will lend to you, but you will not let. But you will not lend to them. They will be the head and you will be the tail. All these curses will come upon you. So it's like they will, the foreigner will rule over you. And I'm reminded of this because I'm about to play you one of the more infuriating clips I've ever seen. This is Wajahat Ali saying, whites, your mistake is you let us in. We are breeding people. Your culture Is sick. Your culture's offer, Basically, let's play 116. You have lost.

[Nate Morris]

You lost.

[Andrew Colvett]

The mistake that you made is you let us in in the first place. See, that's the thing with brown people. I'm gonna say this as a brown person. There's a lot of us like a lot. And we breed. We're a breeding people. Your story is a story filled with misery. It's filled with bland chicken. It's filled with terrible, terrible dry meat. Your music sucks. All your culture sucks. Nobody. That's why the kids, like, listen to black people in their music. That's why the kids love Latinos. Your party suck because they're monochromat parties, have better food, better music, better looking women. And we welcomed these people into our country for some reason.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And that's how their attitude is all the time. He came to this country because his freaking parents came from Pakistan, one of the biggest dumps on planet Earth, and it always will be. And that's how he treats us. He came to a country that was nice because his family could have never built a country that as nice as America in Pakistan ever in a million years. So he came to this one to take advantage of it. And that's his attitude. He's a disgusting parasite.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. Nate Morris, the floor is yours. What do you think when you hear people describe America that way?

[Nate Morris]

Well, it's absolutely disgusting. And it infuriates me. It enrages me. And one of the big reasons why I'm in the Senate race is because I had to get in. Because the choices that we had in Kentucky were more of Mitch McConnell, more amnesty, more of this nonsense that causes all this crime and all this strife around our country. And it's not willing to stand up for Western civilization because that's the battle that we're in. You know, Charlie would talk about Nate. We're not just in a battle of Democrat versus Republican. This is good versus evil. And good must win. And that's why we've got to get great people that come from the outside that are business people, people that don't need the job or the money. I'm here to fight, and I'm here to fight for the people of Kentucky and for our country. I'm here to fight for my faith. I'm here to fight for Western civilization to make sure that it lives on for my son. And we've got people in this country that shouldn't be here. They need to all go back. And we've been so clear about this from the very beginning. And what I'll say is, Andy Barr, when I came out with my moratorium to launch my campaign, you know what he called me? He called me a nativist. He called me a nativist. And let's remember who said the word nativist. It was Hillary Clinton describing the MAGA movement, describing all of us. And that's what these rhinos believe. That's what these people like Andy Barr, these weak men that have been in these positions of influence and power. And that's why they got to go. And that's why we've got to have people that are willing to stand up, stand firm with maga, stand with the president. Because once again, President Trump predicted what was going to happen. He predicted it. And all we had to do was stand with him, follow his leadership, follow his vision, and we wouldn't be in the kind of messes that we saw like we saw over the weekend. This should have never happened. And again, let's remember, these folks have blood on their hands, and they need to be held responsible. They need to be held responsible at the ballot box. And that's why we got to keep fighting with the MAGA movement.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Everybody go to natemorris.com support this man. He's got a backbone, and he is willing to fight and take the tough positions. And we just have your back 100%, by the way. You're rising in the polling right now, Nate. So keep it up, keep fighting. We got your back in a huge way. God bless you. Thanks for making the time.

[Nate Morris]

Thank you so much.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back, everybody. This, this clip, another. Let's add this to the list of infuriating clips that have come out recently. Ilhan Omar, talking about the Somali community.

[Heather McDonald]

156 Somalis are not terrorizing this nation. We are helping it thrive. Somalis have always seen as a fabric, has seen themselves as a fabric of this nation. So not only are we not going.

[Charlie Kirk]

Anywhere.

[Heather McDonald]

Not only are we not going anywhere, we are not going to allow anybody to make us feel less Minnesotan or less American.

[Blake Neff]

All I'm gonna say is we have more than one clip where when they're speaking among their own community and they say our country is not the United States of America.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, that they're standing up and fighting for Somalia and that's what happens. I mean, honestly, our immigration system has been so stupid and so just wrong headed this tabula rasa. We're all blank slates and we just.

[Blake Neff]

Bring them in to quote Enoch Powell, we are a nation busily building our own funeral pyre.

[Heather McDonald]

Oof.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's, that's depressing. We're gonna get to your emails and the war crimes story? When we get right back.

[Donald Trump]

Foreign.

[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Final segment of the hour. And then we've got Rich Barris and a great Heather McDonald. An hour or two, it's going to be lit. I'm excited about it. So Blake, why don't you pull up a few emails. But first I'm, let's, let's go over this, this, I guess you would call it a, a controversy that's brewing a, over the cartel drug boats story, which is that they are now alleging that there was two strikes and this on the first drug boat.

[Blake Neff]

So, so this is, so what it is, is we've been bombing drug boats in the Caribbean for several months now. And the report allegation is that there was one of these strikes on a drug boat. And the, the story goes that they told Hegseth about it, you know, okay, we have, we're 100% confident this is a narco terrorist drug boat. And he says instead of just strike it, he says apparently explicitly, kill them all. And so they blow up the boat and then they do observation afterwards and they see that there are some guys clinging to wreckage from the boat in the water. And then they do a follow up strike to pulverize these guys floating in the water, allegedly because they're following Hegseth's orders to quote, kill them all. Now what they say is that this is a war crime because you're not supposed to attack helpless combatants essentially who are incapable of resisting or fleeing or what have you. Now what's complicated here is as people have pointed out, for example, when we were doing our drone wars in Yemen and Pakistan, there have been similar allocations. They call these double tap strikes where you hit the same location twice whether to pulverize anything that remains or this was a big case, I know, in Pakistan, to discourage first responders from responding to the scene of a strike because they don't want to get hit by the follow up. That wouldn't apply here. But that among many things is coming up. The other thing that I'd say is very funny about this is people saying, oh, this is a war crime. They're going to go to the hog. One, I don't believe we're signatories to the International Criminal Court. And two, I saw this pointed out on X. The US President apparently has standing authority from Congress back from the 90s when they were voting on this to use military force to invade the Netherlands to extra to extract any US Personnel who are put before a International Criminal Court tribunal.

[Andrew Colvett]

But no, your point is well made though that there has been so many of these questionable strikes. Biden, if you want to throw up 159. Newly declassified video shows US killing of 10 civilians in drone strike. The New York Times obtained footage of a botched strike in Kabul whose victims included seven children through a Freedom of Information act lawsuit. So this, I mean, if you're gonna go down this road, this is a terrible, terrible thing to do. And here's what's really tricky. You've got Senator Mark Kelly, who one of the seditious six, who's now. He's warning service members that if you do illegal acts when we get back in power, you might be prosecuted 147. I've sunk two boats, two ships. I sunk in Osa.

[Nate Morris]

Two missile patrol boat in Kuwait harbor.

[Andrew Colvett]

I sunk a palm of troop carrier in the Persian Gulf during the first Gulf War. Never once did I question whether those.

[Nate Morris]

Orders were legal or illegal. People can tell the difference.

[Andrew Colvett]

Should be able to tell the difference.

[Nate Morris]

Between something that is unlawful and something that is lawful.

[Andrew Colvett]

And if I was ever given an unlawful order, I would refuse. I would. You know, if you have time, you can certainly go to the Judge Advocate.

[Nate Morris]

Generals, the lawyers, and have a discussion about it.

[Andrew Colvett]

If you don't have time, you just say simply, I'm not gonna do that.

[Nate Morris]

That's against the law.

[Blake Neff]

You know, the funny thing is, is libs in the Gulf War did call the strikes in Kuwait Harbor. They are not in Kuwait Harbor. A lot of the strikes in Iraq illegal because we basically owned the Iraqis too hard.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well. And he goes on to basically say that the cartel boats that are getting blown up, that he thinks that that's questionable. And you're putting these servicemen in a tough position because that, you know, these are obviously illegal strikes is essentially the insinuation here. And so we are at the precipice of a very, very dangerous precedent where they are. He's. He's essentially saying, you have to be your own judge and jury in the moment and defy the president and the commander in chief or the Secretary of War and, And. And refused to do an order. This is ceding the ground for 100% of our military.

[Blake Neff]

Let's do some of the emails here. We have a lot. We have. Phyllis. I wish this movement to deport all illegals would have occurred in the first Trump administration, I think.

[Andrew Colvett]

Hundred cheers for Nate Morris.

[Blake Neff]

Alrighty.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

We have Hate America out from Herman. We have Tina. We want America back. We feel we're being invaded. They want to take us over. Lucia says I am 100% behind a moratorium on immigration and going after the corruption the Somalis have created in Minnesota. Michelle says deport them all. Thank you, Mr. President. Kathleen says Trump is right. Immigration is our biggest problem. Deborah says mass deportation. I agree 100%. Stanley says 50% off Cyber Monday deals. Members only.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I love that. Check this out.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie has a lot of spam emails.

[Andrew Colvett]

The immigrants, where would they go? The journalist asks, and she goes what? They get dropped and go to Joy Behar, Joy Reid, Sunny Hostin, Jake Tapper, Martha Raddatz in all their neighborhoods where the liars live. How about we should get him out of the country altogether? I love that we are going to have Rich Barris tell us if this new tweet from President Trump is popular. We'll be back an hour too.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Foreign.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. Well, look, we're getting closer to the New Year's resolution part of the holiday season. But let's be honest, most of us overate during the Thanksgiving holiday and offer up an encore of overeating over the next few weeks leading up to Christmas. But when you're ready to lose some weight and some fat, you may want to consider energized health.

[Andrew Colvett]

My friends and family, they're just like, I almost think they think I'm getting too skinny or something. But I'm like, I feel healthy.

[Nate Morris]

They just want to fatten me up for some reason. Like I said, I'm squeezing into those skinny jeans. So I'm off on blood pressure and cholesterol medication.

[Terrence Bates]

John, Jubilee helped the guy you just heard from out to reach his goals. And he can help you as well, John joining me right now with the very latest. John, good to see you.

[Donald Trump]

Great to see you, Terrence.

[Terrence Bates]

So look, and you've told me this personally several times, it all starts with just one step. You just have to make a phone call. That's how it starts. It's that simple.

[Donald Trump]

Well, it really is. And I would just encourage people, Terrence, that, you know, look, you're getting ready to head into a new year. And so why don't you just make a plan now? You know, make a plan now. And by the way, Terrence, I would encourage anybody that, you know, you don't even have to wait to set a New Year's resolution. Like, you can decide, hey, I'm going to go ahead and get started. I could still enjoy my holidays. You know, in the energized health community, Terrence, we tell people, enjoy the holidays. You know what, there's no reason to be dieting on Thanksgiving or Christmas. And, you know, grandma makes the cool. You know, there's always casseroles right at Christmas that we never get any other time of the year. There's good food to eat, but you can do all those things and you could get a head start to go ahead or at least make a plan. You know, go ahead and make the phone call to energize health and say, hey, what does this look like for me to either start now or to start at the first of the year. But a lifetime journey, a great step, starts with one decision. It starts with one phone call. And Terence, one thing that's unique about energized self is, you know, you can have your best health, you can have your best life, you can have your true genetic blueprint, your best strength, your best vitality. And everyone here has their own story. Terence, we didn't just hire a bunch of, you know, health professionals. Now, a lot of our people are 20 and 30 year nurses that they came and joined our movement after this changed their life. They got off their high blood pressure medication, their diabetes medication. They reversed their joint pain. They lost 50, 60 pounds of fat. But they all have their own story, and they'll share it with you on this call. But more importantly, they'll help you realize, why have you failed in the past and what could you do to succeed in the future.

[Terrence Bates]

And I think one of the things that I've learned in talking to you over the past several months is that it's not all about just losing weight. That tends to be our focus, particularly this time of year. Oh, I want to lose weight. But you say don't focus necessarily on the weight, focus on losing the fat, which is what causes some of the other issues that some women, so many of us may be dealing with.

[Donald Trump]

Well, it is, Terrence, and we've all made this mistake, you know, and look, you have an intelligent audience, and I would just ask the people that are listening to me right now, look, the last diet you went on, what was the first 10 pounds that you lost on the scale, you know what it was? It was this. It was water, right? We all do it. You know, we go on a diet and we only lose our water. But at Energized Health, we teach you how to gain your healthy hydration, how to gain your lean muscle mass, and how to only lose visceral and subcutaneous fat. And that's why, Terrence, none of our clients, even the ones that have massive fat loss, notice I don't say weight loss. They have massive fat loss. I'm talking. We've had clients lose £200. That's you, Terrence. They lost you out of their body. And they have no sagging skin. Because when you only lose fat and you don't lose your healthy hydration, you don't lose your lean muscle mass, you don't have sagging skin, no matter how much fat you lose. That's a good thing.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. So look, Energized health dot com. Is that where people need to go to get the information?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it is.

[Donald Trump]

And guys, there's no salespeople, so just make the call. Just make the call. There's no obligation, but you're going to have a breakthrough call with a health coach and ask the health coach, say, hey, will you please tell me your energized health story? Because they all have one, and you can have what they have if you do what they did.

[Terrence Bates]

It's just that simple, folks. Energized health.com log on and make the call.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show, and Blake Neff, one of the producers here and also excited about this guest, Rich Barris, the people's Pundit Big data poll. Rich, welcome back to the show. We had an eventful weekend. I actually tuned in for one of your streams, brother. I was. It was very entertaining. You were fired up. And we were going back and forth on the prediction that I made instantly. As soon as I heard this, I was like, I know two things are gonna be true. The media is going to rage. And two, this will be extraordinarily popular. And of course, I'm referring to the third world immigration moratorium that President Trump. Trump announced Wednesday night, Thursday morning, depending on what time zone you're in. It was a late. It was a late message he sent off. So, Rich, you came to my defense. You said, andrew's going to be proven right, and you immediately launched some polling on this, which I think is super fascinating. I don't know if where you're at in the process, Rich, if you're done, or if it's still ongoing, but I would love to hear what your results are showing.

[Rich Barris]

It is still ongoing. I don't know if you had time to check out the graph that I said. I sent it kind of late because it is still ongoing. But we did, we said, you know what, we're going to pull this right away. And I had an idea, you know, I had an idea of what it would show Andrew because, you know, you talk to enough voters, you know what they want after a while. But we, we went in the field and this thing has not pulled below a majority for the three days we've been in the field among likely voters. It's actually higher. Just to show people. Yeah, I was just going to tell them this is where we're at with it right now. I mean, you're looking at about a third who opposes it combined, and you can tell who they are.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Rich Barris]

We're talking about the left and not. And by the way, there are. There are significant chunks of Democrats who support this, but overall, independents and Republicans. Andrew, this thing is popular among likely voters. It's actually 57%. It's plus 24. So, I mean, we just don't see policies this popular very often anymore in this country. We're so polarized that when you talk about issues like voter ID, things like that, you'll get up to, you know, 70% plus. But we just, we, we have a hard time in this country, unfortunately. It's just the state of our politics. We have a hard time reaching consensus like this on anything. And this is a Consensus, it's, it's enormously popular.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and look, you know, two things that stand out to me is you've got 10%, apparently that are like unsure. I don't know what you're unsure about, but you look at strongly support versus strongly opposed. Strongly support is at 34.1%. It's that big piece of the pie right there. The strongly opposed is only 19%. Rich. That's. Yes. I mean, you, you have a way bigger core of support for this, this policy. That's that support it versus those who oppose it. That to me is a telltale sign that this is going to be massively, massively energizing for the base, which I bring up. Rich, because you and I, last time you were on, we talked about how there was too much focus on foreign policy. There was too much focus on things that were abroad and abstract. People wanted to focus on domestic. And it was like in one fell swoop, in one tweet, it was like the grab bag of goody bags for the MAGA movement. And it's like instantly, President Trump is a hero again on X and all the other social platforms with the base.

[Rich Barris]

Month can do wonders in politics, can it? I mean, seriously. And it's interesting too, because these, these very same people, you know, we always talk about Americans being generous. These very same people are also willing to support a host of other things. But when it comes to third world immigration, it is popular among everybody. But also, you know, when it comes to that enthusiasm, that's what it comes. For me, I saw this as a, just a shot in the left cheek for maga. You can see it in the extremely enthusiastic number the last two days. It, the right still trails Democrats as far as excitement to vote, but the gap closed. I haven't seen it close in a long time, Andrew. It's weeks and weeks and weeks. Democrats have said they are more likely to vote. They're more extremely enthusiastic about voting. And for the first time we saw this thing shoot up. Republicans, they're, they're almost at parity now with likely to vote, which I, I'll be honest with you, I, I don't think unless we continuously see more stuff, I think it's probably likely that Democrats will end up, you know, being more, being more certain. That's the nature of the coalition these days. But as far as that excitement number, the Republicans shot up like eight points, Andrew, just from, just from this. I mean, that's a, it's, it says a lot. And they've been trailing badly.

[Andrew Colvett]

Say that again we shot our enthusiasm metric on in your polling shot up eight points from this tweet alone.

[Blake Neff]

It did.

[Rich Barris]

And they've been trailing badly by double digits for a long time. So we'll say, you know, how likely are you to vote in the 26 midterms? And now how enthusiastic are you for everything from extremely, very, moderately, slightly, not at all. Right. And on that extremely number, that's the only thing we ever care about. Because even when people say they're very enthusiastic, if you're not picking extremely, you're not enthusiastic.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Rich Barris]

I mean, just, it's just. And by the way, on that 10%, what are you unsure about? They're unsure whether they want to tell the pollster the truth or not. That's what they're unsure, but they're not really unsure. Most of those people, they just don't want to go on record saying, yeah, I want to cut off immigration from third world countries.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Rich Barris]

I mean, it's just, that's what it comes down to. People are still, you know, uncomfortable with some of these talking to people, perfect strangers, pollsters, about their opinions on some of these issues. They want to, to look like they're generous, they want to look like they're decent. But when you, when you're in private with them and they have anonymity, then I'm telling you, they have a totally different point of view. They just don't want to tell the.

[Blake Neff]

Pollster that it really is interesting me you think of, I love to think of politics almost. It's like a kind of a. It's like a battle in the military where you have to occupy good terrain and you want to be on defense versus offense. And it occurs to me on the immigration issue how much you can totally reframe it in your favor with basically the exact same policies if you're making it. So the big debate that they're attacking you over is, oh, he's keeping out people from the third World versus, oh, here's these videos of him. They're deporting people. Here's this crying child and it's really mean. And you can doing the exact same things, but if you make it so the contested ground is, I don't want to let in welfare charges from the third World.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's it.

[Blake Neff]

The Democrats won't be able to help themselves from attacking him over it. And yet it says, Rich says it's going to be a big winner.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, you're right. It's funny because when President Trump is at his strongest, when he is playing offense on Immigration. Oh yes, and law and order crime. So by the way, he's getting the memo. Rich, by the way. 167, throw it up. President Trump truthed social tweet from me and then a tweet from Jack Posobec saying Trump's moratorium on third world migration will be his most popular policy to date. And he, he truth that, which I was very honored by. And I think it's important we get the message out that we can play offense on this issue. Not only is it the best thing for the country, not only is it wildly popular with the base, but it will increase your enthusiasm numbers. This is, this is like such a shot in the arm. It's, it's, it's truly remarkable. I'm so thrilled to see that A, the prediction was right, but B, that our enthusiasm numbers are going through the roof again because this is what people voted for in November. They wanted to see this constant, you know, we call it the one switch that fixes all that ails you, right? In our country. So many issues from cultural cohesion, the division, the welfare charges, fraud, the cultural displacement that most people just feel in their communities now. They don't feel like they're living around their neighbors or people that they trust or know or relate to anymore. And this has all happened within basically 20 years. And the demographic and you know, the birth rates of, of native born versus foreign born citizens, it's not looking good either. So this is going to have an echo boom after the fact. And so I just. Rich, where else do you want to see the president go on this? What needs to happen next to lock in these gains?

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, I think this message, I think you can drive support for this higher, Andrew. I do. I mean, we had only a few days of, of this conversation so far. It is in the wake of this tragic event too. So, you know, I think that Americans take a couple of days to process this. You can beat this like a dead horse. Beat it like a dead horse. Because in truth, Americans do see immigration out of control, a completely broken immigration system as the root of a lot of our problems. Right at the, at the root of a lot of our problems. So you just said this, what I voted for. And we don't just interview people, you know, telling them to take the questionnaire and we just want, you know, your numbers and we're done with you. If they are willing to, we want to speak to them and have them elaborate on why they, they, you know, they feel the way they do right now. And you just echoed a ton of people that said just that. Like this is what I voted for.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is what I vote. Amen. Yeah. More with Rich Barris on the other side of this break. First, I want to tell you guys about one of our partners. Done with that. If you could make one holiday wish, would you wish to be free from your credit card and other debt? If you could give yourself one gift this holiday, holiday season, would it be to finally get some relief from your credit cards and debt debt? I think that's you. If that is you out there, it's time to make some moves. This time of year, credit card and loan companies close out their books. They're clearing past due accounts and selling off debt. That means if you have credit card debt and unpaid bills, lenders may be more open to negotiating and you may actually have leverage for the first time in this relationship with your with your credit card companies. Done with Debt knows exactly how to use it. Now's the time to get out from under crushing debt without bankruptcy or loans. Done With Debt goes to work month one with one goal. Reduce your total debt and leave you with more money every month. So chat for free with a done with debt [e-mail] that's donewithdebt.com donewithdebt.com check them out and your holiday wish might just come true. More with Rich Barrett when we get right back.

[Charlie Kirk]

Run a business and not thinking about radio. Think again because more people are listening to the radio and iHeart today than they were 20 years ago. And only iHeart broadcast radio connects with more Americans than TV, digital, social, any other media, even twice as many teens than TikTok. And that reach means everything. Just think about the universal marketing formula. The number of consumers who hear your message times the response rate equals the results. Now let's get those results growing for your business. Radio's here now more than ever and iheart's leading the way. Think radio can help your business. Think iheart streaming, podcasting and radio where the reach is real. Let us show [e-mail] that's iheartadvertising.com or call 844-844 iheart one more time. Just call 844-844, iheart and get radio working for you.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Nate Morris]

Rich.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think you're muted. Rich.

[Rich Barris]

My fault.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay.

[Rich Barris]

We have to drop the pretense here. This is for people who don't know. Maybe they're listening on radio. We've been asking, just the same way that we ask Republicans, do you identify as America first or do you identify with traditional Republicanism? We also ask Democrats whether or not they identify as a traditional liberal democratic, socialist or socialist. And we have got to drop the pretense that the Democratic Party still believes in things like traditional liberalism. They don't. Andrew. That number as a traditional liberal has collapsed. And, and, and the amount, the acceleration in this trend is unbelievable. But this is a party of socialists now. They are. And we have to stop pretending that they're, you know, there's still such a thing as a moderate Democrat. They're not even in our numbers with ideology. They'll call themselves socialist and then describe ideologically as a moderate. Come on, that's not, that's just not reality. Nowhere on the American political spectrum is a moderate, a socialist. Right. That is somebody who's far, far left. But the truth is they don't even view themselves as liberal. So the liberal number for ideology is hung around 22 to 25% for a long time as this number has skyrocketed. So, so guys, half the party is going to identify with democratic socialism and sometimes that number with socialist gets as big as 10%. So, yeah, you're looking at 6 in 10 Democrats who identify with some form of socialism. And that's the reality.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right?

[Rich Barris]

And you did see Republicans, you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

What did they do?

[Rich Barris]

They passed a bill censuring socialism or something like that. I mean, we, we have to have just a more, I think we need to have a more open conversation because we're going to end up with either right wing populism in the form of MAGA, or we're going to end up with what is always sold as a left wing populism. But it's not, there's nothing populist about it. It doesn't end with populism. It ends with democide. It literally took the most human souls of anything in the 20th century. War couldn't keep up with democide from socialist governments. In the 20th century, folks, there are more people killed by governments of left wing fanatics than there were people who died in the great wars combined. I mean, this is, this is serious.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's very serious. But Blake, I throw to you on this. How much of this is just like uneducated liberals basically going, oh, I want Norway and Sweden.

[Blake Neff]

I don't, I don't think it is uneducated. I think a lot of it is, it's a rise of, frankly, I think it's a third worldification of America and it's one of the bleakest ones because you look at why Are a lot of countries just chronically not able to get it together? And a lot of it is because it actually takes a lot of discipline and a lot of patience to make good economic policies work. A lot of them are counterintuitive. Whereas socialism has a lot like a lot of socialist impulses, have a very innate appeal to people. It kind of appeals to the morality of like the village, so to speak.

[Andrew Colvett]

Base moralities.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. The base morale. Not based, base your raw instincts. And so you get what happens. Argentina before Malay, that was a good example where they just had a lot of very backwards policies that it was very difficult for them to break out of and they made themselves a poor country. And this happens in a lot of Latin American countries. They'll grow, grow, grow, grow. Oh, actually it's time for us to do socialism and they screw it all up. Mexico did this repeatedly and it's really hard to get rid of that. Mexico had collective farms throughout the 20th century. Absolute disaster, complete failure. Incredibly popular. And you could very easily get that. You see that in New York. Every, every economist will tell you rent control, incredibly dumb idea. It makes New York vastly more expensive to live in. And Mamdani just ran on. I'm going to do a stronger rent control. A rent freeze.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

All their housing is going to. All their problems will get worse with that. It'll be popular.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Rich, do we have any idea when you're pulling this, like how many are foreign? Foreign or immigrants that do sort of thing?

[Rich Barris]

Actually, we do. I haven't looked at it, but I'll look at it right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we. 30 seconds till the break. So the break a little bit.

[Rich Barris]

We can probably would have to. Just to give me a second to look at it. But I do take a look something.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I do keep a look at it. Take a look at it. Rich Barris, the people's pundit, great friend, great pollster. We're going to keep him over the break and then we're going to bring over Heather McDonald's, talk about crime and incarceration rates and do immigrants, are they really less crime riddled than native born Americans? We'll be right back.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice News. Welcome to newsbreak. I'm Terrence Bates. We appreciate you being here with us. We are getting ready for the next White House press briefing. It's starting the week off that way at the White House. Here's a live look at what you could expect. You can see the podium is empty. We're simply waiting for White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt to arrive. And then there will likely be lots of questions specifically about the situation in Venezuela. You may have heard that President Trump has shut down the airspace over Venezuela. He's also calling for Nicolas Maduro, the president of Venezuela, to leave or be removed. And so there will very likely be lots of questions about that. There may also be some questions about the holiday season there at the White House as the White House Christmas tree is now officially up. And just a little while ago, the first lady was at Joint Base Andrews giving out some of the gifts and helping to pack some of the gifts, gifts with the Red Cross there at Joint Base Andrews. You can see that here she's working along with the Red Cross as well as the second lady, Usha Vance. They were both here at Joint Base Andrews just a little while ago putting together gift bags, gift baskets, excuse me, and care packages for military members. So there will likely be questions about all of this once the White House press briefing starts in just a little bit. Of course, we'll take you there live. In the meantime, the man accused of shooting two national guardsmen in Washington, D.C. and killing one of them should be arraigned as soon as today. He was shot and wounded during the incident and has been on a ventilator while recovering in the hospital. When he does finally answer to a judge during his first court appearance, the alleged killer will face a first degree murder charge as well as an attempted murder charge. The second Guardsman reportedly remains in critical condition. We do know that the suspect is an Afghan national who was allowed into the United States under the Biden era Operation Allies welcome program. He and his family fled their home country amid threats from the Taliban. In the meantime, Funeral arrangements for 20 year old army Specialist Sarah Beckstrom are still being finalized at this moment. However, President Trump says he has spoken to her family and invited them to the White House house when they're ready to come. He extended a similar invitation to the family of Air Force Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolf, who was also injured in that attack. That's a quick check.

[Blake Neff]

On air and on fire for the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Preservation of our nation. The Charlie Curtis show. All right, welcome back. We're gonna have the great Heather McDonald join us in just a second. But first I want to tell you about our partners over at TikTok Connection, Open dialogue. These are the things that build communities. Charlie and TikTok shared in that knowledge. That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens. People don't just post, they respond. They build on each other's ideas. You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson until clicks. You'll see a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop. But what matters most isn't the video. It's what comes next. Someone asking a question, someone else answering with a story of their own. And suddenly people who've never met become a community built on curiosity. When people listen and understand, a shift happens. Walls come down, ideas travel further and connection, real connection, takes their place. That's what listening does. It reminds us that we're not all as different as we may. Think. Think. And that's what makes TikTok so powerful. It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation and every conversation can make a difference. Charlie had billions and billions of views on Tick Tock and a lot of good things actually ended up happening out of that. Heather McDonald joins us. The great Heather McDonald. She is one of the, I think the absolute experts on what would be like on merit based culture, on incarceration rates, on crime statistics. And she's a contributing editor of the City Journal and author of When Race trumps merit. Heather McDonnell, welcome back to the show.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you so much, Andrew. And thank you for carrying on the Turning Point USA legacy with such bravado and insights. I really appreciate it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, thank you, Heather. Well, I'm just so honored to have you. You're absolutely one of Charlie's most favorited guest ever, I think. I mean, there's not enough adjectives and superlatives to throw at you. You know, he loved you and your insights made a profound impact on this show and on Charlie's work and mission as well. And I hope you internalize that and know that, Heather.

[Heather McDonald]

I'm absolutely honored to know that I wasn't aware. And so that means a huge amount to.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh yeah, you were. You, I'll never forget. Actually, this is a fun story. When everything happened with the BLM riots, Charlie, you know, we were sort of locked down still with COVID and Charlie was like, we're going five days a week. So that was actually when the show first went to five days a week, was right after the COVID lockdowns. And you came on the show in the, in those first few weeks and just dropped a ton of science on everybody about crime stats and how they were basically corrupt. And we wrote them all down and we just started repeating them and repeating them and repeating them. And it became a major theme of the show in those early days. So thank you for your contribution then, Heather. So, Heather, I sent you two questions over the holiday weekend and you wrote back graciously, pretty quickly. And this came off the back of this story in Chicago. The first question was, you know, do we have an under incarceration problem? And I was of course inspired by Lawrence Reed, who set a woman on fire. And then we find out there was 40 prior arrest or maybe even 72. I'm seeing conflicting reporting there on just how many times this gentleman had been arrested. And of course there was the Irina Zarudska story out of Charlotte, who was stabbed to death actually just before Charlie was assassinated. It was a huge story then and she was just doing public transportation. So two stories like this where we had multiple, multiple incarcerations. Do we have an under incarceration problem, Heather McDonald?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes, we absolutely do, Andrew. The criminal justice system is set up by our elites values the freedom of criminals and deranged people over the safety of the law abiding and the hard working. Every one of these abominations was wholly predictable. These deranged maniacs who have taken the lives or nearly destroyed the lives of this poor woman who was chased around a subway with gasoline on her until the maniac was able to light her on fire. They all have long criminal histories. The quality of their criminal history suggests people that are absolutely in the realm of psychosis, schizophrenia. They were predictable and yet they're back on the streets. Why? Because the overall theme in our criminal justice system for decades now, Andrew, has been we would rather not incarcerate the people who should be in prison than incarcerate criminals in a fair, law abiding, constitutional manner. If doing so would have a disparate impact on Black criminals. And as a result, we are way under incarcerating. We're decriminalizing. And the public officials who wink at these assaults are all complicit. The criminal liability does not rest exclusively on the criminals themselves. It is a statistical certainty. I'm here in New York. There are walking time bombs. Anybody can identify them visually. These deranged lunatic drug addicts, predominantly black, who are walking the streets, muttering, gesticulating on the subways, threatening people. It is a certainty that in the next week or two, somebody will be pushed or stabbed by one of these. And are politicians do everything but focusing on this? It's an abomination.

[Blake Neff]

And you know, we talked to the other at the end of last week. Just the sort of, not just the cost of direct crime, but the cost on people. Just the sense of disorder in our lives. I'm sure you've seen this where, for example, because we're so afraid to actually police these people. Basic things. You see people jump turnstiles all the time in a lot of cities because they decide to not enforce that or even really minor ones. The classic one that people will complain about all the time online is people who loudly play music or do other overtly performatively disruptive things on public transportation.

[Donald Trump]

And.

[Andrew Colvett]

But it's, it's big. It's bigger than that too because we've talked about on the show. Heather. It was another insight from Blake that this, this has a crime has an impact on housing affordability because there's fewer and fewer neighborhoods that are, that that are acceptable to live in for families and then they have to, they have to break the bank just to get into a neighborhood with a good school or that's not crime riddled or they have to worry about walking with a stroller on the sidewalk or how many.

[Blake Neff]

People just choose not to take a job where they might be the most qualified person or where it might be where they're most productive because, oh, that job is in a dangerous part of the city or it's in a city I just don't want to live because it's so unpleasant. There's so much friction in American life and it all is downstream of. We just refuse to let our cities be safe, orderly, clean and pleasant.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. And so I, we just elected a.

[Heather McDonald]

Socialist mayor in New York and the sky is going to fall in. But one of his ridiculous planks was government run grocery stores in every borough because allegedly we have a food affordability crisis. I'm very skeptical of the claim, but if we do, the problem is is that stores move out because they can't handle the shoplifting. There wasn't Target that moved into East Harlem to great fanfare around 2015, I think, had a. Exquisitely multicultural offerings, and it couldn't handle the. The retail theft. And so it left, you know, and that happens again again. So, yes, crime affects cost of living. It. It affects insurance costs, but it is, above all, a psychic cost. And that, again, all of this is preventable. It's all preventable.

[Blake Neff]

It's preventable by closing Rikers.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Blake Neff]

Because I know he's promised to do that.

[Heather McDonald]

Right, right, exactly. We need more capacity. We certainly need more mental institutions. So it's not just a question of locking up the sort of pure criminal. It's also a question of locking up the deranged. If you combine mental illness and drug addiction, you have a very, very high rate of violence. Again, any politician who changes the subject after the burning of the Chicago woman, after the stabbing of Irina Zarutska, is complicit in murder.

[Andrew Colvett]

So this is something else that I. Because I was tweeting about this and I was. I was seeing people's reaction, and one of the things that kept coming up repeatedly is that we actually have a capacity issue. And it struck me, Heather, that there has been, I would say, a propaganda war waged against the prison system right now. Some of it might have. There might be. Be valid critiques embedded somewhere in there. Right. There might be grains of truth in this, but the prison system. All I ever see on Netflix is like, you know, look at this terrible prison, how they treat people and all this. Meanwhile, they got cell phones and they got, like, you know, they're smoking cigarettes and all this stuff's going on. They can watch tv.

[Blake Neff]

Prisoners who seem to have Internet access, they're coordinating like.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like gang activity on the streets from some. Anyways, that's not the point. The point is that there have been a. A coordinated assault on the prison system. We have. I don't think we build them anymore. I don't think we're expanding capacity. And so even if we wanted to arrest and throw. Throw away the key, with some of these guys, we don't have enough space. Is this correct?

[Heather McDonald]

It's absolutely correct. Prison remains a lifetime achievement award for persistence in criminal offending. You have to work very hard as a criminal to get a prosecutor and a judge to agree on sending you away for a long time. Inevitably, people are given community services, you know, probation. They're supposed to be monitored. And when they're out there without being incarcerated, they go on to commit more crimes. People don't stop all of a sudden. You know, it would be great if we could rehabilitate people in the community. We don't know how to do it. The criminals are created by decades of poor parenting, the failure of socialization, and after they're arrested for their sixth robbery or assault, they don't suddenly stop offending. The thing that works is prisoner menopause. People age out of crime, but that's about the best thing you can do. So getting incapacitation is a absolute known virtue and success of the prison system. If we don't know how to keep people from reoffending in the community, my view is you don't get two bites of the apple, three bites of the apple. We've got to bring it down much. Again, the purpose of government is to protect the law abiding. It's not to protect criminals. We have gone through a 300 or 180 degree sea change in the way our government officials think about themselves. They think about themselves as protecting the allegedly marginalized against that horrible majority. No, that's not their role. Their role is to protect people who respect the rights and lives of others so they can go about the glory of commerce, of self actualization. We don't elect the government to be self professed advocates for the criminals and the dysfunctional. That's not their role.

[Andrew Colvett]

Heather, I think you're articulating this like feeling of the upside down world that so many Americans feel like they live in so well and with such moral clarity. And this is why we love having you on the show. It does feel like the entire system, somewhere along the lines the last 20, 30 years, tweak by tweak by tweak became rigged against people that do the right thing, that wake up, that go to work, that shower before and after work, that send their kids to school, that pay their taxes and follow the law. Meanwhile, it's been tweaked in favor of these people that murder, you know, arena on the train or set people on fire. Who by the way, you're talking about criminal menopause. That guy was like 50 and he was still doing this stuff. I guess he's still alive. Anyways, we're going to take a quick break. More with Heather McDonald. We're going to talk about immigration and how that's affected crime because that's a big, a big talking point of the left. We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Now you want to go against every single immigrant. That doesn't make sense and it's frankly not who we are. Because if that's the case, let's talk about the white supremacists and how many of them need to be kicked out of this country because I can guarantee you I can track down more crimes that they've committed because overall immigrants have a lower crime committal rate than white supremacists. But we don't want to talk about that in this country.

[Andrew Colvett]

We don't want to talk about that in this country. Heather McDonald, your reaction?

[Heather McDonald]

I love to hear the left say, well you don't want to paint an entire group with the, with the sins of the one. Oh, I see. That's why we're all being packed off to white privilege training. You know that these, these numerous white supremacists and why, why the entire white race is or Western civilization Europeans are responsible for all the world's evils, which is of course a complete lie. West, I just have to say Western civilization has saved the world from poverty and penury and oppression. But in any case, this is ludicrous. The white supremacists killings are absolutely horrible, but they are very, very few. We had in 2022, you had a 19 year old who killed 10 people in a Buffalo grocery store. Then we all remember 2015, Dylann Roop killed nine in the church in Charleston. These are white on black crimes and he's sentenced to death. Whites are not the ones committing crimes. Over all in this country, the black white crime rate is. Blacks are 35 times more likely to commit violence against whites than whites against blacks. As far as immigrants go, it's a very difficult topic, Andrew, because we have really lousy data. You know, if you're Wellesley, Massachusetts or New York City jail, you have zero incentive to try and find out the immigrant status of people in your jail because if the feds ask to deport somebody after he's finished his sentence, you're not going to comply anyway. So the data that we have for especially illegal aliens offending is very, very scattershot and incomplete. It depends as well on the source country, the ethnicity. Asians generally have a much lower crime rate than everybody else. Hispanics generally have a much higher crime rate than whites, but it's lower than blacks. So generally I would say my general rule of thumb is that by the second and third generation of immigrants, that's where you see crime going up as the children of immigrants assimilate into the underclass culture. The first generation, again, it's hard to know. But the issue, I think sometimes conservatives overstress crime and terrorism concerns which need to be addressed. But the real issue is cultural change and whether any society has the right to say we prefer to stay the way we are, we prefer a particular cultural heritage and we should be determining our own immigration policy, not people living outside the country determining our immigration policy for us by virtue of their decisions to enter the country overwhelmingly illegally.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I thought that was really, really well said. We do tend, I think people tend to focus on the crime and the terrorism stuff because it's candidly, it's easier to talk about than the cultural assimilation arguments and it's less uncomfortable for like a country club republic.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's, it's, they've been trained that it's not okay to just say I, I want my country to be the way I remember it. I want to bequeath it to my children and our posterity. I want my country to remain my country and not become another person.

[Andrew Colvett]

It doesn't feel like America in so many places of the country anymore. Heather McDonald when race Trump's merit thr buy her book, buy her stuff, follow her, give her all the support you can. She is a national treasure. Thank you, Heather McDonald for making the time for us today.

[Heather McDonald]

Thank you, Andrew and Blake, it's such an honor. Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you. You know, in the case of Europe, we know that the crime rates are higher for the immigrants. Just saying. We will be back tomorrow at it again.

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