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Donald Trump
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But the will to deceive. Fear not, you found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go, everybody. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Radio stations across the country. Real America's voice streaming all the things. Blake, It's a good day. It's a good day. December 10th. Here we are in studio. Lots going on. And by the way, some really, really great news.
Blake
Yes.
Andrew Torba
Huge news for Erica and the team and really for Charlie. We have just got the Wall Street Journal published it this morning. Charlie Kirk's newest book is a hit and it is out of stock on Amazon. Here you go. Yep. That's the graphic from the Wall Street Journal. The story. And here, of course, is the book. Stop in the name of God. Why honoring the sabbath will transform your life. Erica has been doing an amazing job. She, of course, was on this show yesterday promoting it in Charlie's stead and just couldn't be more proud of her. Her and everything she's. She's doing. I mean, she's. She's going on the five. I think she's doing outnumbered this morning. Hannity radio calls. She's doing. She's doing the whole circuit. Obviously, this is her first time doing this. Blake, you know, people don't realize this about Erica. It's not like she's been trained like Charlie over 12 years of doing repeat reps.
Blake
Exactly, exactly.
Andrew Torba
She's doing tremendous.
Blake
Yes. Absolutely immense.
Andrew Torba
Yeah.
Blake
Beginning to end, top to bottom.
Andrew Torba
Yeah.
Blake
So they're all impressed.
Andrew Torba
They've sold like 60,000 copies in the first day of this book.
Blake
Oh, that's.
Andrew Torba
Which is really good. Tremendous. Yeah.
Donald Trump
Yeah.
Andrew Torba
And they're new.
Blake
Realize books don't always sell that much.
Andrew Torba
These no. 45books.com. If you want to get your. Your 60,000. That's. Yeah. If you want to get your Copy. It's just. And I, and I said this in a tweet yesterday that I. I pitched Charlie on doing all kinds of different politics books. Like, we were talking about what is his next book going to be? And he was just adamant. He's like, no, it's going to be about the Sabbath. I've been wanting to write this book for a long time. I really want to write. I was like, okay, but like Sabbath, you know, and it's just apropos. It's almost like he saved his most important book for last in a lot of ways.
Blake
And his most timeless one. All the other ones, they're a moment in time. College will hopefully be either destroyed or reformed. You don't need to call it a scam anymore. Right wing revolution. That was all about what the next GOP admin should do. But this is one you could have 30 years from now, 50 years from now, 200 years from now.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, a thousand percent. I want to play a couple clips from Erica being on the Five yesterday just because it was so.
I mean, I don't remember the last time I saw kind of like a guest host on the Five, especially, you know, promoting a book. So thank you to the Five and Jesse and Greg and Dana and even Jessica Tarlov. She was very sweet. 219, Harold, Jesse and Greg are in a Bible study group together. Are they really?
Charlie Kirk
Because of Charlie Kirk?
Erica Kirk
Okay, that is really cool.
Blake
So every morning.
Harmeet Dhillon
That is really cool.
Andrew Torba
Every morning we wake up and we.
Charlie Kirk
Read a passage and then we text about it.
Donald Trump
Okay.
Charlie Kirk
And it is because of Charlie.
Erica Kirk
I love that.
Terrence Bates
Wait a minute.
Andrew Torba
So what are you saying? Is Harold, Jesse and Greg. So Harold's the liberal and Jesse and Greg are not. And they're all in a Bible study because of Charlie. So we found that out yesterday, which was. Which was amazing. Here's Erica Kirk telling the Five about how President Trump has been there for her in this time.
Erica Kirk
220, when Donald Trump secured peace in the Middle East. The next day he flew back to D.C. to deliver my husband's Medal of Freedom to me. He didn't have to do that. So a lot of people, I understand there's a lot of policy and everything involved, but also I am very proud to have Donald Trump as our president. I really am. He's a good man.
Andrew Torba
He's a good man. And, you know, two, three, three. Put that picture back up. Stopping the name of God tops. Number one on Amazon Bestseller list. Book out. Like, it's sold out on Amazon. They're getting print more.
Blake
I've been checking. It looks like we only have physical copies of this. It looks like that's what 45 books.
Andrew Torba
Their approach is. I'm really happy to have my copy. And I'm, like, literally reading a couple chapters every night. And I'm telling you, this book is. I mean, I know it's like people would expect me to say it. I would probably remain silent if I didn't have anything nice to say about it. Actually, I would just sort of say, you know, check it out. Support. Support Charlie. Support Erica. Like, it's really freaking good, man. You know, when God instituted the Sabbath, he wove rest into the fabric of creation. And on the seventh day, God finished his work that he had done. And he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. Genesis 2.
Donald Trump
2.
Andrew Torba
God did not rest because he was tired. He rested because he was satisfied. And he invites us to do the same. There's like, all these little, like, tidbits that. These breakthrough ideas in this book, and it's just phenomenal. So congratulations to Eric and the team. The team at Winning Team Publishing 45books.com. If you want to get your copy. Erica's actually, it's funny because this morning I've been texting with a bunch of people with, you know, Erica's going to do Glenn Beck's show tomorrow morning. And then so we got into a conversation with Glenn's team. And then. So Glenn's actually going to join us at the top of the show tomorrow, which will be great, and we can talk about that many other things. But there's another big news story that was near and dear to Charlie's heart.
Blake
Oh, this is. This is lovely.
Andrew Torba
And it's near and dear to Blake's heart. So we're gonna hit it at hour one. We're also gonna bring Harmeet Dhillon from the DOJ Civil Rights Department on at the second half of this hour to talk about it. But that is, of course, the rolling back of disparate impact standards within the DOJ and within the federal government. Blake, what is disparate impact? If you had to boil it down.
Blake
Alrighty. So disparate impact is more. People are thankfully becoming aware of it, but it's been around for half a century at this point. And disparate impact is sort of the. It's the spearhead for a lot of what we'd call the DEI regime. Regime, the agenda. The diabolical DEI dictatorship of America, which is where instead of things coming down to merit, coming down to measurable ability, where we Reduce things to quotas, to favoritism, to discrimination based on race or sex or national origin or who. Who knows what. And, you know, I think this is actually a good opportunity for that to bring in Charlie because he was talking about this in April when there was a Trump executive order concerning this. And we're going to get to the follow up in a second. But this was Charlie summing it up. Let's play 236. In 1971, there was a Supreme Court case, Griggs v. Duke Power Company. Duke Power was sued because for people to get certain jobs at the company, they required them to either have a high school diploma or pass an aptitude test. Black applicants were less likely to have a diploma, and they don't. They didn't do as well on the aptitude test. The Supreme Court ruled that Duke's job requirements were, quote, justified, were not justified by business necessity. And so they were illegally discriminatory. And thus the doctrine of disparate impact was born. So what he's saying there is, the idea was this was a neutral test, is just having a high school diploma or taking this aptitude test. No one could really. There was no one actually coming in and saying, oh, don't hire black people. But they were just less likely to do well as well on this test. And the court said, well, we don't think this test is close enough to what you need employees to do at this company. And because it doesn't have an equal outcome between these two groups, it's discriminatory. So it's what took our law from what most people think of when they think of discrimination, where you're deliberately discriminating against people and they're saying anything you do, if it has an unequal outcome, can be labeled illegal, can be labeled illegal, discrimination can get you sued. And what that's turned into is.
Essentially anything can be illegal. Because Newsflash, Andrew. Everything has unequal outcomes. Everything in the world. No one, actually, I think we have this as well. Let's do 237 before the break. Literally every standard imaginable has created has some sort of disparate impact against a group. Nobody on this planet has ever designed a test or a standard that men, women, blacks, whites, Asians, Hispanics, Catholic, Jews, gays, straights, do so equally well. The very idea is an absurd fantasy. You're going to have different outcomes. But what disparate impact does is it says the test itself is wrong. It is a loophole that you could.
Andrew Torba
Drive a semi truck through.
Blake
It's a little Sliver, you say? Oh, disparate impact. What's the big deal here? No, no, no, no. This has been exploited by DEI actors for the last 30 years.
30 years, last 50 years.
Andrew Torba
And again, one of the things I want to get into the next segment is aptitude tests. We used to require these to get a job in the federal government, for example. And the one of the best examples of this was the NYPD. I brought it up before Class of Chiefs, the 1939. Now, this had controversy because they claimed it was anti Semitic or anti Jewish. But here's what's interesting. They had so many applicants, they just selected candidates from the top scores on the civil service exam. Far more officers made it to retirement or achieved high rank performance than any other year. We'll be right back.
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Blake
Aptitude tests are great. They're one of the fairest things we have in modern life.
Andrew Torba
No, they're racist.
Blake
Oh yeah. There are a lot of things that get called racist in America.
Andrew Torba
You know what's funny? Charlie loved Thomas Sowell's book on Disparate Impact. It was discrimination and disparities. Right. And the whole theme of the book is that you challenge single explanations, like single factor explanations. So disparities are not solely due to discrimination, exploitation, genetics. There's multivariate analysis that needs to be done. It's complex thinking. Like you can't just say what's great.
Blake
About aptitude tests is anyone can walk in and do well on a test. Whereas every other standard people propose as alternatives. They're always much more likely to favor people who have networks, who have other things they can take advantage of. Frankly, it's way better to be a person with money with an informal system than just a system where whoever scores best, does best.
Andrew Torba
Fascinating point. We're going to welcome back radio. Hold right there.
Recommend everybody check out Thomas book Discrimination and Disparities. It's one of Charlie's favorite books to quote. And in it, Sowell challenges single factor explanations. And what that means is there is disparities in racial outcomes. Blacks and Hispanics tended not to do as well on certain aptitude tests. We can ask questions of why that is. So they got rid of aptitude tests largely in order to get into the federal government. You had to pass. You had to take a PACE test which was. What does it stand for?
Blake
Political and political or. No, it's a professional and career examination. An administrative career examination.
Andrew Torba
Yeah. And so we still have some tests in the federal government, but widely they've been, they've been removed.
Blake
That's, that's the important thing about Disparate Impact. It doesn't actually ban tests. There are still, for example, the. Maybe. Unless they got rid of. The State Department has long had a test to. To get in, for example. But what. When we say. I said disparate impact makes everything illegal. It literally does make everything illegal. And what that means is that you have government by vibes. So for example, with Disparate Impact, a company, if they say we're just going to give every job applicant an IQ test and hire the top scorers. Yeah, they'll get. Historically they would get a very questionable look from the federal government. It would feel legally risky to do.
Donald Trump
But.
Blake
But if they say you need this or that college diploma to be hired by us, it's very unlikely that they would be questioned. Even if that diploma isn't super directly related to what they're hiring for. And both of Those things have a disparate impact. You know, whites and Asians are more likely to have college diplomas than black Americans, for example. So why is one looked at negatively and the other isn't? It basically just comes down to how the bureaucrats feel. It's vibes based and government bureaucrats and lawyers like colleges, they like diplomas, they like liberal colleges, dispensing these job granting credentials to people that you have to pay a ton of money for. And they don't like IQ tests. And so you get this vibes based government. And then you also get. That's what also drives that HR ratchet that Charlie would talk so much about, which is you avoid getting the government after you by doing all these big, loud, expensive signals that you're not racist, that you're not sexist because everyone's breaking the law, because everything's illegal. So you just are trying to say, don't eat me because they can't eat everyone. And this all loops around to why we're talking about this today. Because one of the great things going on in this administration, something that's not talked about enough, is they have been waging war on this monstrosity. The reason we had those Charlie clips is President Trump did an executive order to roll back disparate impact last April. And just yesterday we had a great announcement from the Department of Justice's Civil Rights division where they're going after the traditional disparate impact prioritization in their office. The quote they had from their division, the prior disparate impact regulations encourage people to file lawsuits challenging racially neutral policies without evidence of intentional discrimination. Our rejection of this theory will restore true equality under the law by requiring proof of actual discrimination rather than just enforcing race or sex based quotas or assumptions. And the other thing that we had yesterday, because of this, the Civil Rights Division, a bunch of employees of the DOJ Civil Rights Decision Division have released an open letter denouncing the direction that the department has been headed in. And it turns out about 75% of lawyers of career lawyers in the DOJ's Civil Rights Division have left because they are outraged at the direction the Trump administration is taking it. God bless America.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, this, this is better than Doge. This is better, you know, like 75% of a, of a single, of a weaponized political bureaucracy.
Blake
The woke commissars, as Charlie like to say, get them out. Get them out.
Andrew Torba
Former DOJ staff criticize leadership for abandoning civil rights mission. That's a, that's a good thing.
Blake
It's an amazing thing.
Andrew Torba
Stand up and clap. And we are going to. We're going to give Harmeet Dhillon her. Her kudos and a warm congratulatory welcome onto the show because, Listen, you're losing 75 attorneys that are leaving the DOJ Civil Rights Division.
Blake
Over 275%.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, 75%. Sorry. More than 200 former employees. Yeah. Criticize what they call an ongoing destruction of the Civil Rights Division.
This is bigger and more impactful than most people could possibly realize. Because, yeah. You know, Charlie said 30 years. This has been going on for 50 years in our federal government. When you see a sliding of standards, when you see an abandonment of meritocracy, when you see that, like, I think there's this prevailing fog over the country where it just feels like things don't matter anymore. It's like, oh, well, people just get away with crap and nobody gets held accountable. This is one of the root causes for that. Where it's like Charlie used to say, it was like, whose line is it Anywhere where the points are made up and the rules don't matter. That's what modern society is starting to feel. Feel like. Why does it feel that way? Part of the root cause of this is disparate impact. It's. And by the way, the legal profession getting infected with DI and critical theory and all of these things, it floods out into the wider culture and the wider society. Government, bureaucracies, civil order. And things fall apart over time. Things disintegrate. Everything grade. And so if you want to get to root causes, you have to get rid of disparate impact. This is a huge, huge development. And we're going to talk about it with Harmeet Dhillon next. Don't go anywhere.
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Harmeet Dhillon
Thanks for having me. It's always an honor to be on this show.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, absolutely. I told the audience, Harmeet, that we were gonna give you a very warm welcome because.
You have done what I think even Doge was not able to do. And.
I'll let you describe it the way you want to because I know these things can be sensitive in the actual official halls of power, but your cleaning house at the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, there's a report this morning, we celebrate these changes. And also there's news on disparate impact. The floor is yours, Harmeet.
Harmeet Dhillon
Well, thank you so much, Andrew. And so, yes, I'm in the news this week because there are hundreds of disgruntled former Civil Rights Division lawyers who voluntarily quit. I didn't fire them after I told them that their job was going to be to protect the civil rights of all Americans, not just the chosen few and their pet projects that they had been pursuing for decades. Here in the civil rights division, 200 of them or so immediately quit and took a five month payout. So over $100,000 worth of severance pay. And then over the last few months, another close to 100 have quit. And yet, you know, they're writing in the press, Reuters covered it and they want. They say that I'm trashing the doj. I've changed its mission. I'm making them making attorneys do stuff they don't want to do. And it's against the storied historic vision of the doj. But I completely disagree. I'm really proud of the work that we're doing and obviously seems obvious to me that the United States Department of Justice should be justice for all Americans, not just some Americans or some winners of A victimhood sweepstakes. And I think that actually is very popular with Americans. And we're continuing to do the core focus of our work. We're protecting people with disabilities. We're even protecting prisoners. We're protecting the rights of students in schools, employees in the workplace, contractors, people who are discriminated against, hate crimes, anti Semitism, actually, all the same stuff that we did before. We're doing it, but we're just doing it for everybody, not just for some. And we're going to keep doing it that way. So if you don't like it, too bad. This is how it's going to be for the balance of this administration and hopefully beyond. Because shouldn't the DOJ be for all Americans? So I'm really proud of that. And this criticism just shows that we're over the target. Andrew.
Andrew Torba
It's amazing.
Harmeet Dhillon
And so. It's amazing.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, Harmy, trust me, we are this news. We literally were like standing up and clapping before when we saw it. I'm telling you. So again, just to reiterate, about 70% 5% of attorneys left the DOJ Civil Rights Division and claim amid claims of a coordinated effort to drive them out. No, they, they quit on their own accord. You did not fire them and they claim that you're abandoning, abandoning the civil rights mission of the doj. I think this is great. Is it safe to say, Harmeet, that that the DOJ Civil Rights Division is now hiring? There is some spots that opened up. Okay.
Harmeet Dhillon
So thank you for mentioning that. I was itching to say that. And so to be clear, we have a huge agenda. So it isn't just sort of there's no goal to shrink the Civil Rights Division. We actually have a huge affirmative agenda. I'm suing 14 states right now and they're going to be more on that list by the end of the week. A lot of exciting litigation. We just sued Minneapolis for discriminating against teachers who are not minorities. And you know, on and on and on. And so we are hiring. And so lawyers with at least 18 months experience who are interested in serving a tour of duty to help their country can apply@usajobs.gov and look for Civil Rights Division. We are hiring as fast as we can qualified candidates who are willing to do the work I just articulated. Enforce all of our federal civil rights statutes with a lens of all Americans and this administration's priorities.
Andrew Torba
What's that URL again? Harmony. I want to put it up on. It's USAjobs.gov USAjobs.gov if you want to go work with Harmeet Dhillon and you are an attorney that wants to defend the civil rights of all Americans.
Blake
Novel idea.
Andrew Torba
Novel idea. I know. You know what's funny about this whole thing? I mean. Yeah, it's crazy. Go to USAjobs.gov and I'll have the team put it up on that lower banner there so everybody can write it down. You know what's crazy about this? You know, when they started this stuff back in the 60s, right. Disparate impact, which we're gonna talk about next. You know, I get it, okay. It was like, let's say it was 83% white country. Now we're basically 50%. We're on track to, you know, I think the last census had whites at what, 56, 57% of the pop. You give that another 10 years, it's gonna be probably under 50%. Maybe right around 50%. I mean that's what we're kind of like losing every 10 years at a 10 year clip. When I was born, I think we were around 80% white still. But as this happens, you're going to see, I don't know, some of this old way of thinking about how white equals bad oppressive majority. Like it's gotta necessarily, we gotta rethink the way this is happening. Cuz if you're just gonna say that another one of the minorities in this country, like, I mean it might be minority majority, but like still it's not the same dynamics as it was in the past. And we have to make sure everybody is getting protected. And one of the ways that you do that. Sorry, if you want to chime in there, Harmi, feel free.
Harmeet Dhillon
Yeah, so let me talk about that. I mean, let's be very frank here. We have a history of discrimination in our country. They were slaves, they were not white, and they were then kept down by mainly southern, but not exclusively Southern states. States. And so the Civil Rights act of 1964 included a very important law that I personally used for most of my career, Title vii, which protects people from discrimination in employment. And then in 1968, the Civil Rights act added this provision that we're going to talk about, Title 6, and that deals with all the folks who have contracts with the government, government contractors, and you know, anybody who does business with the government or receives money from the government, including all American universities, except for Hillsdale, pretty much, and all school districts and so forth. It's a pretty vast coverage of this statute and the DOJ provides guidance on it. And so I don't want to Bore people with too much legalese. But I think this is a really important law and important development. And the Supreme Court in 1971 issued a case called Duke Power versus and this was about a janitor who allegedly was impacted negatively by some policies and hiring at Duke Power. And that started this concept of disparate impact. So in other words, you no longer necessarily had to prove in your discrimination case, whatever the context was, that you were actually being the victim of intentional discrimination. You could simply prove that there's a hiring process or a policy or there are certain tests that are required. And because I'm African American, I can't pass a test.
Blake
We were going back and forth on that at the top of the show. And the line we were discussing, which I'm a big fan of, is disparate impact seems to just. It literally makes everything illegal because nothing is actually equal except, I guess, true random chance, right?
Harmeet Dhillon
It really shifts the burden to get away from the plaintiff and to the employer to defend themselves. And when you use statistics, as you know, Mark Twain famously said about statistics, lies and dam statistics, you know, you can chop and slice and dice them and prove anything. We have statisticians here in the Civil Rights division who you can give them a premise, they'll be able to come up with some formula to prove it. That's not how we should be running our businesses or our world. And so as to Title six, when the United States gives federal funds, whether it's in a contract basis or grants, we have now issued a guidance that says that this 50 years of discrimination against frankly law abiding practices and businesses and recipients is over. It is harming a lot of people. It is wrong. And you should go back to having to prove intentional discrimination. By the way, there may be statistical cases to be brought there. So we're not banning the use of statistics. What we're saying is we're not going to let people use statistics to assume a default of discrimination. And people are going to have to prove their cases. And that includes the government. Sometimes that includes me. If I have to bring a case against a school district or against a university, I have to use my evidence and prove the case, not just have a default assumption of discrimination because that has hurt so many people in our country. It has eroded merit based hiring, it has put companies on the defensive, it has encouraged and now institutionalized quotas and from every institution, including the boardrooms of America's largest corporations, because they're all government contractors. And so this is so damaging. And if we can just reverse that back to an assumption that Americans are good, generally speaking, we follow the law. If something bad happened to you, prove it with intentional discrimination evidence. I think that is really a great development for all Americans.
Andrew Torba
Harmeet, I have to just while we have a little time here, about a minute and a half left in the segment. Politico's framing of this is hilarious. DOJ rolls back anti discrimination rules. Trump officials say the requirement to consider racial impacts was itself a form of discrimination. Says the Justice Department on Tuesday moved to end long standing civil rights policies that prohibit local governments and organizations that receive federal money from maintaining policies that disproportionately harm people of color. Why are you hurting people? Repealing the government's 50 year old disparate impact standard will make it harder to challenge potential, potential bias in housing, criminal law and employment. I mean it's basically.
It frames it as you're ripping away this sacred shroud from the protection for disadvantaged people.
Harmeet Dhillon
Harmeet, I'm clutching my imaginary pearls here, Andrew. And the fact is that that's all fake news, okay? I've been a lawyer for over 30 years and the last 20 years of it has been as a plaintiff's lawyer proving discrimination cases. You can absolutely do it without this unnecessary crutch. And we will continue to pursue and take action against discrimination here at the doj. I do it every day. Just filed a lawsuit today and we'll be filing some more later this week. And we're just leveling the playing field and returning it back. And to be I want to conclude by saying when Congress passed the law, Title 6, nowhere in that law does it say disparate impact. That's not Congress's intent. It was made up by a court and we're getting rid of it here at the doj.
Andrew Torba
Well, God bless you. Harmony K. Dhillon, assistant attorney general at the Civil Rights Division of the doj. Thank you so much for all your great work. You were crushing it and we are so proud to have you on this show. Go get a job. If you're a lawyer out there, go work with Harmeet and help make the country a better place. God bless you. Yeah. USAjobs.gov There it is.
Harmeet Dhillon
Thank you.
Andrew Torba
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The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back. I just want to remind you Charlie's last book, most timeless book. Stop in the name of God. Why honoring the Sabbath will transform your life. I don't get anything out of this except for the satisfaction of knowing that the good people out there, across this country, really across the world, I bet, are enjoying Charlie's book. It was a labor of absolute love for Charlie to do this book. Chapter seven, the Sabbath improves your sleep. Charlie was passionate about sleep. I want to share a little secret with you. I hesitate to call it a superpower because that sounds grandiose, but it's true. It's incredibly powerful and available to each and every one of us. In our hyper hustle culture, we venerate the sleepless. I began noticing this in high school where the best students seemed to operate on little sleeps. Caffeinating themselves through the day became a badge and honor to say I pulled an all nighter. That didn't change as I got older. Blah, blah, blah. How did we get here? Not blah blah, blah, but on, on, on. Sleep is so good. And he says Charlie used to proudly sleep nine to ten hours a night. He found a way to do it. I do not know.
Blake
I don't know how he did that.
Andrew Torba
It decreases your attention span, impairs your judgment, slower reaction time, emotional volatility, higher cortisol levels. Charlie didn't want any of that, so he slept a lot. Taking a Sabbath will help you do that. We'll be right back.
All right, Blake. President Trump was in Pennsylvania in a Trump rally last.
Blake
Yeah, he loves to have those rallies. Just have a rally for now and then. It recharges some. Energize.
Andrew Torba
I think there's a little more to it. But yeah, we'll talk about that. But I think it was. I think it's fat. We're have Rich Barris on and so we can talk about the polling saw some disturbing results out of Miami. They have a Democrat mayor now, first time in 30 years in Miami, which is not a good sign. We've struggled in some of these special elections. Things are, you know, let's just say.
Blake
In the end we are. This is, it comes down to who is winning elections and in control of things. That the only way you can get what we just talked about with disparate impact is by controlling the civil rights office. The only way you do that is by winning elections. Same thing throughout the country. And so it's unfortunate what happened in Miami, but. Yeah. So President Trump, he was in Pennsylvania holding a rally. And I want to open with. It's not as fiery as the others, but I like it because I think it's him taking some advice we gave. The feedback loop is alive, so let's play to 27.
Donald Trump
And I have no higher priority than making America affordable again. That's what we're going to do. And again, they caused the high prices and we're bringing them down. It's a simple message. If I had one message tonight, you know, this is being covered, like, all over the world. This is crazy because I haven't made a speech in a little while. You know, when you win, when you win, you say, I can now rest. So, Susie Trump, do you know Susie Trump sometimes referred to as Susie while Susie Trump, Yeah.
Blake
So I liked that because we've gotten emails about this. There was that clip that was taken out of context where he says affordability is a hoax. And people thought, oh, he doesn't care. No, what it was is he was saying, I am fixing a problem created by the Biden administration and going to bring prices down. That's, that's all the messaging needs to be.
Andrew Torba
And yeah, he says it's pretty simple.
Blake
He says it's very simple.
Andrew Torba
They messed it up. We're fixing it. Real wages are going up. The price of gas nationally, the average is below $3, first time since before Joe Biden took office. And so, I mean, there are good signs. I mean, the price of Thanksgiving meal was down 25% according to the administration. I did not personally check on that. I'm sure mine was actually up because we had more people around this year. But the point is, the.
President Trump's feedback loop is alive and well. There's been some consternation. I mean, for those who are not aware, there are little rumors and rumblings behind the scenes that President Trump isn't on Twitter. He's not getting that. Those rallies kind of work as A poll test for him. Kind of a focus group, if you will. He says certain things, pays attention, what gets the biggest applause lines, and then he kind of like dials in his messaging that way. So if you're just dealing with issues of state all the time and you're kind of confined into your White House bubble, you're going to miss some of those feedback loops. So how do you make sure that President Trump is hearing from the base, especially in the wake of Charlie being gone? Charlie was a great conduit for that kind of stuff. Well, this is. This is proof that the message is getting through that people are hearing, hey, affordability, affordability, affordability. Domestic, domestic, domestic. So this is a whole affordability tour in Pennsylvania. I like it because I went as soon as President Trump during Thanksgiving announced he was doing a third world immigration moratorium.
Things, you know, I made a prediction that this was going to be one of his most popular policy planks of all time. And he's hitting this hard. 221.
Donald Trump
You don't share our values, contribute to our economy and assimilate into our society that we don't want you in our country. We don't want you. I mean, Ilan Omar and the people from Somalia, they hate our country and they think we're stupid people. Which actually, when they allow that to happen, they are. That's headed by Governor Waltz, one of the dumber people around. Nobody's given. But think of it, he's given, not like peanuts, billions. These are people that don't work in their own country. Their own country is a failure. They have no money, and yet they come into our country and seal tens of billions of dollars. How stupid are we to allow that to happen?
Andrew Torba
Just hammer away, hammer away at this. And I actually, I'm.
Blake
It really is the perfect thing because the left has boxed itself in ideologically where they're. They're so radicalized on immigration. They can never admit that any group of immigrants is just not worth bringing into America. And this is. It's like the perfect specimen in terms of they cost a lot of money. So they're not contributing that much economically. They're very culturally hostile. They're very clannish. They're not assimilating well. And they have this avatar who's so unappealing. Ilhan Omar.
Andrew Torba
Gosh, she's awful. She married her brother to get in here. I have to the third world country real quick. This is funny. I hope they bleeped it. Ride the dump button. 224.
Donald Trump
I've also announced a permanent pause on third world migration, including from hellholes like Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia and many other countries.
I didn't say all you did.
Andrew Torba
Oh, that's a good moment. All right. Rich Barris joins us at the top of next next hour we'll talk some more about this as well as the rise of left wing violence, some new polling he has out on that don't go anywhere.
Terrence Bates (News Anchor)
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Donald Trump
Right.
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Andrew Torba
All right. Welcome back, Hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show. We are joined by Rich Barris, people's pundit. And check him out on X, all sorts of things. People's pundit, founder, big data Poll. Rich Barris, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Charlie Kirk
Thanks for having me back, Andrew. It's always great, bro.
Andrew Torba
Well, listen, man, we, we were talking yesterday and kind of getting some of the stuff ready for Amfest for you, which you're going to be doing a breakout with Mark Mitchell on some of the polling that we need to be aware of what's going on. And one of the things you brought up was the fact that with all this conspiracy craziness going on, we're getting distracted off of the rise of left wing violence. And I just want to alert everybody that as soon as I have a clip that just happened where Erica Kirk was on with Harrison Fox Faulkner on Fox Fox News on Outnumbered, I'm going to play that clip and I'm going to have it in. So if we have, if we have to get it in the second segment of this, Rich, I want, I want, I want you here to react to it, but tell us about what we're missing when it comes to the rise of left wing violence. What are you seeing?
Charlie Kirk
Yeah, Andrew, this is a tragedy that we got lost in some of the other noise and nonsense, really. And we didn't have a conversation about some of the stuff that we found which is, you know, happened right under our nose and somebody is, we're going to have to start to address this and just to give people some ideas, you know, the right and it's fair to say so, right talking point that comes to the right about transgender identification having a link to political violence. And without a doubt, we found that, I mean, if you identify as, as a trans person, you're twice as likely to say that it's tolerable, it's acceptable to commit acts of, of political violence. And what that stems from is, I mean, this is the other side of it too. So we can't ignore this. What that stems from is their perceived threat to themselves. Right. They think that they're constantly under threat from some form of society or another, which, you know, I find interesting because, I mean, I'm not obviously trans, but I don't see it. But basically that's the relationship because it's not Just the trans demographic. I just thought that we had to look at that because it was such a big part of the conversation when we saw mass shootings.
Donald Trump
Right.
Charlie Kirk
Even when we were dealing with Charlie's case. Right. I mean, this is all the stuff we've been. People have been talking about and debating on social media and it's there. That relationship is there. But I think also too, the left feels, and I don't think they do, the left feels that it's acceptable to commit acts of violence on their political opponents, people they just disagree with, because they view speech itself to be violence. Andrew. And that is the big difference between the left and the right. The right views violence to be violence and that's it.
Andrew Torba
Right.
Charlie Kirk
You can hurt. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. You remember that saying? Does everybody remember that? Because I was thinking about that when I was processing this, you know, when I was a kid, that's what people said. And it was a way to differentiate that. You know, somebody says something may hurt your feelings, whatever. There's a big difference between that and actual violence. Right. And we're just not teaching people this today. We're not. And so many of these left wing demographic groups have come up and have come to the conclusion that it's all right to physically hurt somebody that you disagree with. And that's stunning.
Andrew Torba
So it's just. Yeah, Rich, I'm going to show you. This is that we talked about it a lot on this show, but I'm going to put it back up again. This is image 31, is it? This is from YouGov, the economist, right after Charlie's assassination. And the question that was posed, is it ever justified for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve political goals? This is the percent responding. Yes. And you look at that aged cohort, 18 to 39 year olds, it's at 30% of liberals in the 18 to 39 bracket believe that violence is justifiable to achieve political goals. And then it, you know, it goes down somewhat to in the 40 to 59 year old bracket. Are you seeing similar results to this in your, in your polling?
Charlie Kirk
The age signal is definitely there. If you're, you know, if you're 45 to 64, you're certainly more left wing than you were 10 years ago in that age bucket. But they, there is still a disconnect with the left's younger cohorts where they just, like I said before, were not taught this very simple lesson that actually, I mean, let's be honest, Andrew, they were taught the opposite. They were told. Taught about microaggressions, and they were taught about that speech actually being violence. So they have this completely different worldview.
Donald Trump
So if.
Charlie Kirk
If you come to understand that, then it makes. I'm not saying it's rational. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm saying it makes sense that they commit so many acts of violence. We asked similar questions. That's such as we were trying to elicit an honest response from people. And one of the ones that was most illuminating was ask whether or not some people hold such beliefs or beliefs that are so bad that acts of violence are justified against them. Well, if you have a media telling you that this one's a Nazi, this one promotes this, this one does that, and you believe that, well, then suddenly, Andrew, you become the hero in your own story. You're putting down this bad element. And honestly, we can go back to even the shooting of Steve Scalise. We don't talk about this guy enough. This guy worked for Bernie Sanders, then he worked for Hillary Clinton. He fully believed in the Russia hoax. He believed Donald Trump was a traitor. And he looked at Steve Scalise and other Republicans on Capitol Hill as enablers. And in his. In his own mind, he wasn't a bad guy. He wasn't a guy who got a gun and committed a mass shooting. He was a guy who was saving the country from this infiltration. So, you know, I think the lesson here is that we all really do have to be a little bit more careful with our words, but we have entire institutions that are pushing these kinds of messages. And, you know, it's sad because we started to follow this trajectory, to have this discussion in the wake of Charlie's murder. And we were, you know, my opinion, so close to holding certain people accountable for their reckless, reckless disregard for anyone's safety when they use certain words to label their political opponents. And we got completely sidetracked from that, and we have to get back on it, because it exists.
Blake
It's real.
Charlie Kirk
It's dangerous. It's dangerous to be a political voice in America. That's a fact.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, you look at what happened with Tim Pool. His house got shot up. That's been confirmed by his team. He's, you know, he's been saying that he doesn't even know if his show can continue on. So my heart and my genuinely, my prayers are out with Tim Pool. I mean, this stuff, you talk to Steven Crowder. Steven Crowder literally goes around with armed security everywhere he goes. This should not be the way that we have to live our lives in America if you're gonna be conservative. And the reason you have to is because of that poll that you are conducting right now, the poll that we saw from in just the immediate aftermath. So Blake has a theory with this YouGov poll that had Charlie not been assassinated, that number actually would have been quite a bit higher, that people were probably, you know, maybe moderating themselves a little bit, and so that it would actually. You would have seen a higher number there. So this whole thing, I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that. This whole thing is insane that you can't disagree. And I just really wonder, you know, what are the threats that they think are going to happen? You know, what. What voices are spreading this on Discord chats? What voices are spreading this on Twitch. What voices are spreading this anywhere, that it's like, okay, that some conservative is going to bust down your door and, like, drag you out because you're brown or something. I guess that's like the message, right, that they need to do this because of ICE or because of DHS or because Trump's a totalitarian or whatever.
Blake
Right.
Charlie Kirk
And we asked about social media use as well. And, you know, I don't even know what to call these demographics, but these, you know, they're almost hysterical, right? These hysterical demographics, their use of things like Reddit and. And definitely Discord and BL Sky. Of course, they're on blue sky a lot. I'm not calling for shutting anything down here, guys, you know, just to be clear. But they're in their own echo chambers, so they're not interacting with other people to dispel these myths, right? So if I was told constantly by somebody and we didn't talk, Andrew, that, you know, you were this big threat to me, right, and we never engaged and we never interacted with each other, I would never know. That's not true. And I'm just hearing from the same voices over and over again, telling me that that's.
Donald Trump
That's the case.
Charlie Kirk
So the more we retreat to our own corners, to our true socials and our blue skies and whatever it may be, the worse this is going to get.
Andrew Torba
It's the echo chambers. It's the echo chambers, Rich, you're totally right. We've got that clip ready of Erica on Outnumbered, and it is amazing. So we're going to play that with Rich when we get back. You're not going to want to miss it, trust me. We'll be right back.
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Donald Trump
Sam.
Erica Kirk
With Erica Kirk sharing her journey with America and the world. We are grateful at FOX to have her here to shine a light on healing as we all miss and mourn the loss of her beloved Charlie Kirk. Not all of her journey has been without, well, hate, conspiracies and oddly speculation about where her husband is buried. Now for the first time, Erica, who's with me now, addresses all of it from the perspective of a grieving widow, a mom and a battle tested American. Good to see you again today.
Andrew Torba
Talk to me about this part of.
Erica Kirk
The conspiracies that are out there, this disturbing part that people are trying to guess where Charlie is. Can I have one thing?
Can I have one thing? Can my children have one thing? Everything was public.
We will be building the most beautiful memorial for my husband at Turning Point USA and it will be for the world to see. And it will be spectacular. And it will have basically museums and style for our Charlie. For my Charlie. But can I have one thing? Can my babies have one thing? Where we hold it sacred? Where my husband is laid to rest? Where I don't have to be worried about some secular revolutionary coming and destroying my husband's grave while my daughter is sitting there praying. One thing. This is my husband. Yes, he was Charlie Kirk to the world. And I know so many people love my husband and I am grateful for that. But this is my husband. And I want to be able to have one thing left that is sacred to our family, to my in laws, to my babies and to my parents. One thing. What are they taking from you right now? Nothing. But I will tell you what they are doing. It reminds me so much of chapter six in the book of Nehemiah. He is building a wall and the townspeople are at the base of that hill saying Nehemiah, calling him all these names, saying all these things. Come on down. Every single time, he had the same message four times in a row. I cannot come down. I am busy building. That is how I feel. I do not have time to address the noise. My silence does not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not mean that that somehow Turning Point USA and all of the handpicked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow in on it. We are busy building. And you know what I thought? I thought these people are human. We are all grieving in our own way and they are trying to find the answer to something that happened that was so evil, they are trying so hard. And I get that we're doing the same. Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we hear anything, we sent it to the authorities. Please dig into this. No rock will be unturned. I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family, more than anyone else out there. So for me, you want to keep telling me to come down while we're, we're building, I don't have time for that. But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me. Call me names, I don't care. Call me what you want, go down that rabbit hole, whatever. But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode, going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this. No. You know, I have to say it. I'VE never seen you like this. No, I'm. I'm very.
Donald Trump
I.
Erica Kirk
This is righteous anger. Because this is not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes. I believe in our judicial. Judicial, judicial system. I do. We have a hell of a team working on this. Excuse my French, but this is not okay.
Harmeet Dhillon
So you want to put these people back in the box where they've been creeping from?
Erica Kirk
I don't care what box you're in.
But just know that your words are very powerful. And we are human. My team are not machines and they're not robots. They are human. We have more death threats on our team and our side than I have ever seen. I have kidnapping threats.
Harmeet Dhillon
I have.
Erica Kirk
You name it, we have it. And my poor team is exhausted. And every time they bring this back up, what are we supposed to do? Relive that trauma all over again? They watch my husband get murdered. I have no idea how I would have reacted if I was there that day. And thank the good Lord that I did not have to see that happen. But my team, they are rocked to the core. So why every single day did they have to be dragged through the mud? Analyzed, hyper analyzed, you know, the conspiracies that are out there, all of the like. Do you think that there is more of it now?
Harmeet Dhillon
Because you do shine your light. I mean, did people just expect you.
Erica Kirk
Would just go away? I don't know what they expected. I don't know what they expected.
Harmeet Dhillon
They pick on you because of your accessories?
Erica Kirk
I mean, I've seen some of it. Oh, yeah. No, I. At this point, it's what the conspiracy collection. Get it before Christmas. Like, seriously, it.
Donald Trump
You will.
Erica Kirk
If you want to find and pick me apart, go right ahead. I do not care.
Harmeet Dhillon
I don't.
Erica Kirk
This was happening before Charlie was murdered. Both of us have been through the ringer of. People will call you whatever they want to call you.
Terrence Bates (News Anchor)
Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The affordability crisis is projected to be a key issue leading up to next year's midterm elections during a stop in Pennsylvania on Tuesday evening to lay out the work that he and his administration have done to improve affordability in this country. President Trump pointing to January 1st when his tax cuts take effect.
Donald Trump
We're doing things right. We're running this country right. We're also putting thousands of dollars in the pockets of hardworking Pennsylvanians with the largest tax cuts in American history. That's no tax on tips, no tax, no tax on overtime no tax on Social Security for our great seniors, Our seniors. No tax.
Andrew Torba
I'm a mom, a wife.
Melanie Picor
I homeschool my two brilliant children.
Erica Kirk
And the no tax on tips is incredible.
Melanie Picor
No tax on overtime is incredible for my husband.
Andrew Torba
And it all comes back to our family.
Melanie Picor
It saves us and it's for the.
Erica Kirk
Future of our children.
Terrence Bates (News Anchor)
In other headlines, President Trump is continuing to target the Biden era use of the auto pen. He's now asking Treasury Secretary Scott Besant to investigate whether his predecessor Joe Biden, used an auto pin to sign appointments of various Democrat members of the Federal Reserve's Board of Governors. The commander in chief has recently questioned the validity of the President Biden's official acts using the auto pin. Just last week, he said that he was terminating Biden's pardons and commutations that were granted with the use of the signature replicator. While legal experts question the legal basis for such a move, it's clear that the president is seeking to reverse any Biden era move that was enacted under an auto pen signature. Democrats are celebrating a small victory as Eileen Higgins will be the first Democrat mayor of Miami in almost 30 years. She beat Trump endorsed Republican Emilio Gonzalez by 19 points. Gonzalez is a former Miami city manager. He also served on President Trump's Homeland Security Department transition team. While Democrats are calling the win in Miami a momentum boost leading up to next year's midterms, experts say the local race isn't predictive of what may happen next year. Meantime, Miami based Congresswoman Maria Elvira Salazar is warning the Republican Party not to take the Hispanic vote for granted. Quote, hispanics married President Trump, but they're only dating the gop. She says that's a quick.
Andrew Torba
Democracy lives in light. The Charlie Kirk Show.
All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Quite the clip. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Very proud of Erica. Well said. So much grace, so much courage, so much strength.
I want to tell you about TikTok. Good conversation is about respect.
It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas to be heard. Charlie Turning Point knew that. And TikTok has always strived to build that kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and we can share what's on our mind and learn from one another. When ideas meet respect, good things happen. On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining why the why behind a problem most of us would never know how to even name. Or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, Discuss and respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the comments, in the thank yous from strangers halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion, and discussion helps build something real. Portions of the Charlie Kirk show are brought to you in part by TikTok. I want to bring on our next two guests here. We've got Gabby Stout, who's a high school student, as well as Tyson Langhofer, who's a senior counselor with alliance defending Freedom. The good people over at alliance defending Freedom. And this is an incredible story because, well, I'm gonna have them tell the story, actually. So, Gabby and Tyson, welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. Hi.
Gabby Stout
Thank you for having me.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, honored to have you both. Gabby, why don't we start with you? Just tell us what you tried to do to honor Charlie and then tell us what happened next.
Gabby Stout
Yes. So I painted the spirit rock at my high school, which is a large rock that you can paint to express your opinions and beliefs. And I painted the rock to honor and memorialize Charlie Kirk's life as well as to honor God on the rock. I painted a heart, an American flag, Freedom 1776, and live like Kirk, John 11:25. I painted these things because Charlie Kirk loved our country and he wanted our generation to also be proud of our country. I painted live like Kirk, John 11:25, because I wanted to give people hope that life doesn't end after death and that Charlie Kirk is living eternally in heaven, which is why I wrote John 11:25, which says, I am the resurrection in the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall live. Only hours after painting, my rock was covered up by the school, and I was accused by the school as committing a crime and that I vandalized the rock even though I had permission from the school.
Andrew Torba
Wow.
Blake
The education system strikes again.
Andrew Torba
Yeah. Where. Where. Can you tell me where your school is located?
Gabby Stout
Yes, my school is located in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Andrew Torba
Unbelievable. So, Tyson Langhofer, your senior counsel with alliance defending Freedom, how did you guys hear about this incident and why did you choose to get involved?
Do we have Tyson?
He might be frozen. Yeah, he froze. Studio. Why don't we work on getting. Oh, Tyson, we have you back.
Terrence Bates
Yes, I can hear you.
Andrew Torba
Awesome. So I was asking, how did you hear about this incident and why did alliance defending freedom choose to get involved?
Terrence Bates
Well, because, you know, high school students should be encouraged to share their beliefs and opinions on really important topics, but they shouldn't be censored by Government officials who disagree with their opinions. And the school here has created an opportunity on their spirit rock for students to share their beliefs. Yet they didn't like what Gabby had to say. And so because of that, they not only censored her by painting over the rock, but they then sent out an email to the entire school community accusing her of vandalism and saying that they have started a criminal investigation. The next day at school, they called her into the principal's office and they demanded that she write out a statement without, you know, reading her rights or telling her she's under criminal investigation, telling her that she has the right to an attorney or telling her she has a right to remain silent. That's a problem, right? Because the school officials have created this forum, yet they're saying, because you share this opinion, we're not going to let you participate in that forum. That's a violation of the first Amendment. It should never happen in America. And we want to hold these school officials, Officials accountable for doing that.
Andrew Torba
I just. I don't understand how this becomes a criminal investigation. Has that been ceased if they stop that? Because that's patently insane.
Terrence Bates
So after they interviewed Gabby and verified, yes, that she had did have permission, eventually they silently closed the investig and said, well, she didn't do anything wrong. Yet. The problem is, this had gone out to the entire Charlotte community. It was on the news that she had been accused of vandalism and that they were having a criminal investigation. And instead of clearing her name, you know, they just silently closed it and acted as if nothing happened. But it's not just. It's not nothing when the government actually puts their foot on the scale and silences a high school student who simply wants to express her opinion and treats her like a criminal simply for expressing her views. That should never happen in America at.
Andrew Torba
A public school, of course. So, Gabby, what did it feel like.
When you just expressed your admiration for Charlie? You took part in Seems like a civic ritual at the school. You expressed your pride. It was a traumatizing event, I know, for high schoolers all across the country. And then you get treated like a criminal. Tell us personally, like, what did that feel like? What was that experience like for you and your family?
Gabby Stout
I was extremely intimidated. I don't get in trouble often at school, and so I was very scared that I could be getting in trouble for sharing my views and my beliefs. And this has never happened to any other student for such causes. And so my family and I, I was very scared to go to school the next Day. And my parents were scared to send me as well, as I had no idea if I could go to jail or what would be waiting for me as I got to school.
Andrew Torba
I mean, I just find this so unbelievable. You're obviously a very bright student. You're obviously well intentioned. You are the exact kind of student that we should be hoping is the product of our school system. And yet you are getting targeted and called out and singled out for doing something beautiful to honor Charlie. I just have to wonder, and maybe I'll throw this to you, Tyson, because I don't want to get Gabby in any more hot water here. I have to wonder, are there examples on this spirit rock that maybe celebrated lgbtq? Are there examples of things that maybe conservatives wouldn't find so appealing, and were there any consequences for those. Those demonstrations?
Blake
Rainbow rocks.
Terrence Bates
So several years ago during the BLM movement, there were blm, you know, there were paintings of, you know, expressing support for blm, and in fact, some other students, you know, ended up painting other messages on that. And the school officials, you know, stepped in and actually, you know, supported the supporters of BLM and encouraged them to go back to and repaint that over. So obviously, they allow political messages and they allow messages that, you know, are on important topics of the day. And they actually, again, you know, are weighing in, putting their foot on the scale for certain views and trying to stamp out other views. And that's the exact opposite message that we want our government officials sending to the next generation. We want them to understand that the government allows all viewpoints, that they can't censor certain viewpoints. But, you know, in fact, after Gabby did this, they changed the policy. They now have a policy says no religious or political messages.
Blake
Right.
Terrence Bates
And we know who gets to determine what's religious and what's political. It's these same school officials who've already shown that they have a bias against people like Gabby who just want to share their support for Charlie Kirk and their support for Christian values.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, I find that really appalling, actually, that the reaction to this would say, would be to say no religious or political, you know, spirit rock demonstrations. I find that appalling because especially in Charlotte, North Carolina, I'm going to wager a guess here that would say that most people are Christians. Most people worship Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior in this part of the country. And that is a very key part of their personality, of what makes them have spirit in the first place. I find that actually a really appalling thing. And to your point, who's gonna determine what's acceptable on that rock? What are the rules? This is why censorship is a terrible thing in the first place. But I don't want to get bogged down on the negative here. I'm so glad Alliance Defending Freedom has stepped in. So thank you, Tyson, and thank you to ADF for being a voice of common sense and having Gabby's back. We have your back, Gabby. I'm told, Gabby, that you are considering starting a Turning Point chapter in the future. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if you do, we will 100% have your back on that as well. Gabby, the floor is yours here. We got about three minutes left in the segment. Tell us what it was about Charlie that so moved you. Tell us what he meant to you, what he meant to you and your friends.
Gabby Stout
I enjoyed watching Charlie Kirk. I've watched him for many years, and I admired him as he went across campuses speaking to students, even people he didn't agree with, just having conversations with them. And I was absolutely distraught when he died, as I have never seen someone assassinated on social media because of their faith. And he was trying to teach people truth, which is the Bible, and he wanted people to be able to stand up and defend their faith.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, really well said. Tyson, final question to you. What do you hope comes out of this? What does victory look like here in this Charlotte school?
Terrence Bates
Well, one, we want them to change their policy. We want them to have a policy which allows all viewpoints, and we also want to hold them accountable for silencing Gabby because of her viewpoint. They need to understand government officials need to understand there are consequences for violating our most deeply cherished rights, such as the freedom of speech and free exercise of our religious beliefs. And then I hope we inspire. I hope Gabby's courage inspires students across the country to wade in, to engage in discussions on important topics and to do it in a way that Charlie did with grace and winsomeness and doing it in a way that encourages people to engage with people across the aisle.
Andrew Torba
Yeah, well said. I'm just. I'm so proud of you guys, honestly, for standing up for what you know is clearly right. Gabby, you have been egregiously wronged. Charlie. The legacy of Charlie Kirk has been egregiously maligned and unnecessarily. So. What you wrote was beautiful, and thank you for doing that. And I just want to say that, you know, thank you to your parents who raised you, to the community that brought you up and gave instilled those values in you and God bless what you wrote. Freedom 1776 live like Kirk John 11:25. That is exactly what a spirit rock.
Blake
It's not a mostly peaceful rock like BLM rocks.
Andrew Torba
You did everything right, Gabby, and we bless you for that. We say God bless you. Please let us know. I know our team, obviously we got in touch for this interview. If you want to start a turning point chapter, we will work extraordinarily hard to help you make that a phenomenal chapter. So let us know if you choose to do that. God bless you guys. Tyson, thank you. And God bless the ADF as well for stepping in.
Terrence Bates
Thank you so much.
Andrew Torba
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100% American made and darn proud of it. The Charlie Kirk show. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. One minute till we bring back national radio. The team really loved that session segment, by the way, with Gabby and Tyson. I, I just. Blake, there's. The world feels so freaking upside down sometimes. It's really frustrating.
Blake
I really, we said this yesterday. We love seeing the chapter heads. We love seeing the, the rank and file turning point enthusiasts because they're the, the people Charlie cared so much about, they have that enthusiasm, they have that forthrightness. They, they, they haven't had the chance to frankly be jaded by, you know, we know there's so many difficulties and troubles. It's never, it's never easy. But they're, they're always earnest. They're always happy to go. They, yeah, they honor Charlie with everything they do.
Andrew Torba
Email us freedom charliekirk.com do you like when we bring these students on? Do you want to see more of it? You want to hear more stories from these schools? Because I think it's important and it's one of the ways that just I know how to honor Charlie is to show you the faces and hear the stories directly of the students that are on the front lines doing it. And Charlie was always so good about this. He was always so good about giving those students all the credit and saying they are the front lines for freedom in this country and they are the tip of the spear and they're doing the hard things and we need to have their back because they're standing up against backward school districts like that one in Charlotte. Shame on that school district. We'll be right back.
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Blake
All right.
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Blake
Yeah, I, I think we should hit more of the Trump rally. I think it's, it's good. It's Trump on brand, and we really want to highlight things where.
Andrew Torba
Yes. You said this in the break, actually. And I was like, why'd you say it? You got to say it to the audience.
Donald Trump
Yeah.
Blake
So let's, let's tee up this bit here with. Let's do Trump when he's talking about our favorite representative, Ilhan Omar.
Andrew Torba
Let's play on the ingrate.
Blake
Let's play two to two.
Donald Trump
Do we have any individuals from Somalia in the group? Please raise your hand. That's for Minnesota, you know, that's called the great big Minnesota scam with one of the dumbest governors ever in history. I love this Elon Omar, whatever the hell her name is, with a little ching, a little turban. I love her. She comes in, does nothing, but she's always complaining. I love it. She comes to our country and she's always complaining about the constitutional. Allows me to do this, the concert. We ought to get her to hell out. She married her brother in order to get in. Right? She married her brother.
Blake
Now, I, I should clarify what it specifically was is the Powerline blog. Those guys we had on last week, they were the original guys who broke it. What it seems she did is she was already married to her real husband, only religiously, and then she legally married her brother. And it seems this was a scheme to just get more benefits from the University of North Dakota while she was going there. Like you could get better housing.
It was just, it was just pure. Oh, it's another way to get more crap from the taxpayers for free. And then as soon as that was no longer useful, throw it aside. Her brother, I think, might live in the UK Now, I would really love the Trump administration. It would be a dream if they could denaturalize and deport her over this.
Donald Trump
But.
Blake
But even if that's not possible, it should just be public. We should know what the truth there.
Andrew Torba
Here's what, here's my message to Ilhan Omar. Keep doing exactly what you're doing. You are a walking, talking disgrace to Somalia. You are a walking, talking billboard that will only further our drive and our desire to stop the runaway, unchecked, unfettered migration into this country. So keep being You, Ilhan Omar, I hope.
Blake
And you too, Jasmine. We're pulling for you in this nomination.
Andrew Torba
Get rid of Jasmine.
Blake
No, we would never want to get rid of Jasmine. Make more videos of you standing there.
Andrew Torba
Jasmine. Go all out. Be the most Jasmine Crockett you can. Crockett, I want you to be the most famous version of yourself.
Blake
We want jazz. Max Jazz.
Andrew Torba
You can go. Max Jazz. You need to go. Max. You and Ilhan Omar need to do a tour. I want you to sell the tickets. I want you to go to every deep blue district you can find, and I want you to sell those tickets. Go to Berkeley. Go straight up to the in Berkeley.
Blake
Go to the big. Go to every swing state.
Andrew Torba
Go to the swing state tour. Swing state tour. Jasmine Crockett and Ilhan Omar, you can bring Rashida to leave if you want. And you just tell everybody we need more of you, that we need to open our borders and more green cards and more visas for all of you because you are such a disgrace to your countries. And we. And I tell you what, everywhere they go, Blake, we are going to be flocking to the polls to vote for no more unfettered mass migration. The globalists are going to lose every time you open your mouth. So please just be extra special.
Blake
This be extra special.
Andrew Torba
And this Christmas we call it.
Blake
We have 40 seconds left. I think this is a good day to highlight. There are good people on the base who are honoring Charlie getting involved like that student. And there are real wins. We're dismantling disparate impact. We have literally secured the border. We've secured it so hard, we can't even report on it anymore because nothing is happening there anymore.
Andrew Torba
And by the way, I just want to say this, this holiday season, my prayers are with the brave men and women at DHS and ICE that are leading the mass deportations in places like Minneapolis. God bless them. We'll see you guys tomorrow.
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Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Andrew Torba (with regular contributors Blake, Erica Kirk, and featured guests)
Air Date: December 10, 2025
This episode of the Charlie Kirk Show confronts key issues in American politics and culture through its signature unapologetic, conservative lens. The hosts celebrate the success of Charlie Kirk's posthumous book, honor the late commentator's impact, analyze the Trump administration’s roll-back of disparate impact civil rights standards, highlight the ongoing battles over political violence and free speech, and feature student voices standing up for conservative and Christian expression in schools. Notably, the episode explores the rise of left-wing violence, coverage of recent Trump rallies emphasizing affordability and immigration, and offers an emotional interview with Erica Kirk on conspiracy theories following her husband's assassination.
Notable Quotes:
Timestamps:
[07:44] - Book success and Erica’s promotional efforts
[11:11] - Emotional reflections on Charlie and the book’s message
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[12:46] - Issue introduction
[29:45] - Harmeet Dhillon interview
[36:48] - Historical/legal discussion of Griggs v. Duke Power
[37:01] - Statistical absurdity explained
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Timestamps:
[43:34] - Rally discussion
[46:48], [47:00], [92:10] - Key rally audio clips
Notable Quotes:
Timestamps:
[54:27] - Interview intro
[55:37] - First analysis
[58:07], [61:17] - Key polling results
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[66:41] - Erica Kirk's interview segment
Notable Quotes:
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[76:55] - Gabby and Tyson join the show
[81:19] - Gabby’s emotional account
The episode blends direct, sometimes fiery political rhetoric (often echoing Trumpian style), with somber, emotional moments reflecting on loss, community, and perseverance. The hosts emphasize resilience, tradition, and faith, taking pride in policy victories while remaining combative against perceived cultural and political adversaries. There is a continuous appeal to grassroots activism, free speech, and the defense of American and Christian values amidst a polarized national climate.
This episode provides a sweeping view of the current conservative zeitgeist—celebrating successes, mourning the loss of a prominent leader, and doubling down on the cultural fight for “real America.” You’ll come away understanding the “disparate impact” legal revolution, ongoing debates over migration and economic recovery, and the raw realities of being a conservative voice—whether a widow, a pollster, or a high schooler—facing adversity. Expect moments that provoke, uplift, and occasionally shock, all within the show's “honest views, real news” ethos.