The Charlie Kirk Show, December 17, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show — December 17, 2025 (Real America’s Voice | iHeartPodcasts)

Overview

This episode of the Charlie Kirk Show, guest-hosted by Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff, dives deep into current political issues, economic concerns, challenges facing the conservative movement, and international hot spots. The episode explores themes of American revival, conservative coalition-building in the wake of Charlie Kirk's passing, the AMFest event, economic security, national security, immigration, the rise of Reform UK, and the persecution of Christians worldwide.

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1. Restoring the American Dream: Combating the Affordability Crisis

Timestamps: 03:14–06:55

• Economic Concerns
  • Rising costs of groceries, gasoline, and lack of good jobs are central issues facing Americans.
  • The show criticizes the Biden administration for creating an “affordability crisis” and touts Trump-era policies as solutions.

“If we lower the price of energy, we lower the price of groceries, we lower the price of gasoline and importantly, we bring good jobs back into this country so that wages go up. That’s how you give people a shot at the American dream again.” — Andrew Colvett (03:15)

• Trade and Tariffs

  • Hopes for certainty on tariffs and new corporate tax credits to promote job growth.
  • Trump’s tariffs on fentanyl and rare earth magnets incentivized Chinese cooperation and contributed to a decline in fentanyl deaths and a reduced trade deficit.

• Connecting Energy to Everyday Costs

  • Explains the link between energy prices and grocery costs.
  • Emphasis on the impact of high fuel and fertilizer costs for farmers and transportation, which drive up prices for average Americans.

“If the truck that takes the groceries... is paying out the wazoo for diesel fuel, then that means every American is going to be paying more at the grocery.” — Andrew Colvett (06:08)

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2. AMFest 2025: Honoring Charlie Kirk and Building Conservative Unity

Timestamps: 10:00–13:23

• Event Introduction

  • AMFest is presented as the grand finale of the year for Turning Point, but is bittersweet in the wake of Charlie Kirk’s passing.
  • Notable speakers: J.D. Vance, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Greg Gutfeld, Megyn Kelly, Russell Brand, Savannah Chrisley, Glenn Beck, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and more.
  • High demand led to sold-out event; discounted tickets for next year offered.

• Coalition and Community

  • Aims to unify and energize the conservative base.
  • Steve Dace will join for the second half of the show, focusing on “saving the West.”

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3. Key News Roundup: Brown University Shooting, Mar-a-Lago Raid, Venezuela Blockade

Timestamps: 13:23–19:10

• Brown University Shooting
  • Ella Cook, a conservative student, possibly targeted; suspect still at large, but hosts refrain from speculation.
• FBI’s Mar-a-Lago Raid
  • New documents raised by Senator Chuck Grassley show internal FBI doubts about probable cause for the raid.
  • Discussion centers on whether the DOJ was overly aggressive in pursuing Trump.

“FBI did not believe it had probable cause to raid President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway... Based on the records, Mar-a-Lago raid was a miscarriage of justice.” — Andrew Colvett, quoting Chuck Grassley (16:48)

• Venezuela Blockade
  • Trump administration declares Venezuelan government a terrorist organization and orders a total blockade of oil tankers—a move considered an act of war.
  • Context offered: Maduro regime accused of using oil proceeds for drug trafficking, terrorism, and human trafficking.

“He says the largest armada in history... is surrounding Venezuela now. He says... they’re doing a total blockade on oil tankers. That is noteworthy because historically, a blockade is conventionally considered an act of war.” — Blake Neff (18:49)

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4. Debating the Venezuela Crisis and American Security

Timestamps: 23:25–29:14

• Senator Fetterman’s Perspective
  • Responds to misconceptions: U.S. strikes are targeted, not random attacks on boats.
• Trump’s Social Media Statement
  • Trump claims a historic armada is “surrounding Venezuela” and orders a total blockade until Venezuela returns “oil, land, and assets stolen from us.”
• Discussion on Intervention Risks and Outcomes
  • Concern over escalation, potential for regime change, and implications for Venezuelan immigrants and gangs in the U.S.

“I think he’s gonna basically choke the finances of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to flee and get out of there so that somebody else can.” — Andrew Colvett (27:10)

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5. Steve Dace Interview: Conservative Revival & Building Coalitions

Timestamps: 34:58–45:11

• Unity After Loss
  • Dace reflects on unity following Charlie Kirk’s memorial and calls for maintaining that focus going forward.

“I’ve just never experienced the kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had at Charlie’s memorial... and I am just hoping... that what this does is recaptures that going into the holidays and then we come out of the new year with that kind of focus and drive and purpose, and... momentum again.” — Steve Dace (35:14)

• Role of Debate and Avoidance of ‘Feud Culture’
  • Emphasizes open, good faith debate and warns against the destructive “feud culture” within right-wing social media.
  • Need to avoid personal animus and keep debates substantive.

“Let’s have the debate. The key is that in the online community, it turns into this kind of feud culture, which is not productive. And that’s exactly what Charlie tried to avoid.” — Andrew Colvett (41:46)

• Focus on Practical Solutions
  • Praise for Charlie Kirk’s focus on local politics and practical political activism, rather than getting distracted by internet feuds or fringe issues.

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6. Saving the West: Immigration and Revival

Timestamps: 43:15–54:47

• Dace’s Two Paths for Saving the West
  • (1) Providence and mass revival (Great Awakening-style religious revival).
  • (2) An “all-out immigration moratorium” — at least five years, ideally a decade (citing Rep. Chip Roy’s PAUSE Act as a template).

“I think we might be doomed without an all out immigration moratorium. At least five years. I’d say a decade.” — Steve Dace (44:25)

• Practical and Political Obstacles

  • Skepticism about the political will in the current Republican party.
  • Dace argues that public attempts, even if unsuccessful, clarify who is truly aligned with conservative goals and help galvanize the movement (“science progresses one funeral at a time”).

• Immigration Logistics and Workarounds

  • Discussion of net-zero immigration and merit-based visas (e.g., “genius visas”).
  • H1B system criticized: “There’s about as many college degreed people in the unemployment line in America right now as we have H1B visas.” — Steve Dace (54:09)

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7. Spotlight: Reform UK and the British Conservative Movement

Timestamps: 64:07–83:16

• Dr. James Orr on Reform UK
  • Rising as the first credible new right-wing party since the Tories; leading in polls, especially after perceived Tory and Labour failures on immigration and free speech.

“What we’re witnessing is really the emergence for the first time in the history of British politics, a new party of the right that is credible, that has increasingly... strong popular support.” — Dr. James Orr (65:25)

• Policy Focuses

  • Immigration restriction, opposition to “fiscal suicide” of net-zero policies, and defense of free speech.
  • UK’s new Online Safety Act draws fire as a “censorship charter.”

• Islamophobia Legislation

  • Concerns about government proposals that would make “anti-Muslim hatred” a special protected category, with potential consequences for free speech.
  • Critique of racialization of belief systems and silencing open debate on controversial practices.

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8. The Persecuted Church: Global Threats to Christianity

Timestamps: 88:48–100:11

• Interview with Todd Nettleton, Voice of the Martyrs

  • Highlights severe anti-conversion laws in half of India’s states: pastors arrested, Christians targeted for sharing faith, and discriminatory enforcement.
  • In Nigeria, continual attacks on Christians by terror groups; questions whether Nigerian government lacks capability or will to intervene.
  • In Syria, new government talks tolerance externally but issues chilling threats internally to Christian communities.

• Public Figures Raising Awareness

  • Unexpected advocates like Nicki Minaj and Bill Maher bring attention to Christian persecution in Nigeria.

• Call to Action

  • Christmas is a period of increased attacks on Christians worldwide.
  • Listeners encouraged to learn more and support: vom.org/charlie.

“As you gather around the table... we hope that you’ll remember to pray for Christians who live in hostile areas and restricted nations. They are at more risk around the Christmas season, more risk around Christian holy days.” — Todd Nettleton (97:53)

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9. Reflections on the State of Christianity in Europe

Timestamps: 102:01–103:51

• Post-Christendom
  • Europe (and especially the UK) is described as “post-Christian,” with the Church of England criticized for its left-leaning stance and failure to defend traditional Christians.
  • Signs of revival: Increases in Bible sales and renewed spiritual interest.

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10. Looking Forward: Conservative Movement in 2026 and Show Updates

Timestamps: 106:11–109:44

• Housekeeping: Show's Future

  • Show will leave Salem Radio Network in January; will continue through streaming, Real America’s Voice, and podcast platforms.
  • Affirmations of friendship and continuity with Salem; renewed focus on fulfilling Charlie Kirk’s vision.

• AMFest Preview

  • Dr. Orr expresses excitement for AMFest and the unique American conservative energy, noting the potential for similar events in the UK.

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Notable Quotes

On Conservative Unity:

“If we don’t keep this coalition together, we’re doomed... I’m trying to get everybody to stay on the same team for the first time in my career.” — Steve Dace (35:14)

On Immigration and Saving the West:

“We’re doomed without an all out immigration moratorium.” — Steve Dace (44:25)

On Debate Culture:

“Let’s have the debate... the online community, it turns into this kind of feud culture, which is not productive.” — Andrew Colvett (41:46)

On Charlie Kirk’s Legacy:

“Charlie was always... clear minded about what was important... save the West, save America.” — Andrew Colvett (43:35)

On UK Politics:

“What we’re witnessing is... the emergence for the first time in the history of British politics, a new party of the right that is credible.” — Dr. James Orr (65:25)

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Summary Table of Major Segments

| Timestamp | Topic Area | Key Points | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:14 | American economy, affordability crisis | Policy solutions to restore economic security | | 10:00 | AMFest, Conservative movement | Unity, celebration, notable speakers, missing Charlie Kirk | | 13:23 | News roundup | Brown University incident, Mar-a-Lago raid, Venezuela blockade | | 23:25 | Venezuela crisis | Blockade, U.S.-Venezuela relations, immigration implications | | 34:58 | Steve Dace interview, movement unity | Revival, coalition-building, avoiding destructive feuds | | 43:15 | Saving the West, immigration | Calls for moratorium, practical/political obstacles | | 64:07 | Reform UK, UK/European politics | Reform’s rise, policy focus, censorship, Islamophobia debate | | 88:48 | Persecuted church worldwide | Anti-Christian persecution in India, Nigeria, Syria; action call | | 102:01 | Christianity in Europe | Post-Christendom, prospects for renewal | | 106:11 | Show update, AMFest preview | Exit from Salem Radio, continued streaming, 2026 outlook |

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For Listeners:

This episode offers a rich mix of conservative activism, tough policy debates (especially on immigration and international crises), and heartfelt calls for unity and revival after the loss of Charlie Kirk. The hosts stress the importance of practical action, coalition-building, and support for persecuted communities worldwide — tying together domestic, international, and spiritual themes as they prepare for a pivotal year ahead.

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[Terrence Bates]

We bring good jobs back into this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Country so that wages go up.

[Blake Neff]

That's how you give people a shot.

[Andrew Colvett]

At the American dream again. You might sort of have sort of.

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A bit of a boost next year.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean one, we have hopefully some certainty around tariffs.

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We just never knew what they were.

[Andrew Colvett]

Going to be because there's so much flux.

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So hopefully that comes down.

[Andrew Colvett]

And also we have a lot of.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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So we might see a bit of.

[Andrew Colvett]

A sort of uptick in hiring hopefully next year as sort of all this sort of expansionary policy take shape and.

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[Todd Nettleton]

Five cents a gallon, that is a pretty big deal.

[Terrence Bates]

Now if you would have just filled.

[Todd Nettleton]

Up a 20 gallon tank compared to a month ago, you would have saved more than $9 a tank.

[Steve Dace]

And if you have two to three.

[Todd Nettleton]

Cars and you fill up several times a month, that is a lot of savings.

[Andrew Colvett]

I feel very confident that if we keep wages high, we keep energy prices low, we keep on chipping away at the affordability crisis created by Joe Biden's administration. Yes, I believe the American people are going to reward us because they're mere the American people are smart. They know Rome wasn't built in a day. They know what Joe Biden broke is not going to get fixed in a week. We got to stay with it. We got to keep on working on bringing good jobs and money back in the United States of America and that will it already has paid major dividends for the American people. It's going to pay a lot more in the year to come in terms of the SCOTUS decision.

[Terrence Bates]

Maria, this is really a national security issue when you think about it, that the way President Trump has been able to use his IPA powers for national security, if the Supreme Court goes the.

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[Terrence Bates]

For the American people that President Trump.

[Andrew Colvett]

Look at the drop in fentanyl deaths.

[Terrence Bates]

Because President Trump was able to put.

[Andrew Colvett]

Fentanyl tariffs on China, Mexico, Canada, we have seen a substantial drop in the deaths. China is cooperating on fentanyl for the.

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First time in more than a decade. When China attempted to put an export.

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Said He put on 100% tariff and they immediately came to the table that we are rebalancing trade and this year.

[Andrew Colvett]

For the calendar year, we are going.

[Terrence Bates]

To shrink the deficit by several hundred billion dollars. So economic security is national security. So this ruling is really a national security ruling.

[Andrew Colvett]

And if they rule against the administration, they will be ruling against national security. And I think the best way to do it is on the one hand, you got to lower cost. That's why that we're lowering regulations on American energy to get gas and groceries down. Now, how does energy connect to groceries?

[Blake Neff]

Because if the truck that takes the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Groceries to the grocery store is paying out the wazoo for diesel fuel, then that means every American is going to be paying more at the grocery. If the farmers who actually grow our food, food are paying way too much for fuel and fertilizer, that means American citizens are not going to be able to afford their groceries. I believe fundamentally in the wisdom of the American people when we go out there and we tell our story that gasoline and energy got way too high under Joe Biden's administration. But we've lowered the cost of energy. The American people will understand that. The American people know that when we go out there and talk about the fact that the affordability crisis that happened under Joe Biden's administration made a lot of Americans poor and weren't working every single day to put money back in their pocket, I think the American people will understand and agree with that.

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This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is AM Fest week and AM Fest 24 hours.

[Blake Neff]

Basically.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we start tomorrow, tomorrow evening. Probably gonna do the show here from the studio tomorrow. I think I said that wrong earlier in the in the week. So doing the show here from the studio, then we'll head on over to the convention center. Friday we're gonna be doing the show live from the convention center. You know, that's gon be a really bittersweet moment for me because we've done the Charlie Kirk show live from our events countless times and the real America's Voice team is going to be. We're going to be at that set. It's going to be good, but without Charlie, it's going to be a really, I think, just a tough moment. And, but we, you know, we're going to do it, and it's going to be great. And we're grateful to our real America's Voice team for helping with the production there. And then the whole media row is just, like, stacked. Oh, it's, you know, stack, stack, stacked, everything stacked.

[Blake Neff]

It's going to be.

[Andrew Colvett]

All the peoples are going to be there, and I hope the convention center, you know, I'm actually, I'm actually. Yeah, well, I, I'm actually in a point where, like, I'm. I feel like, you know, I, We've got to get through this last little push, and it's going to be. I mean, this is like the super bowl for Turning Point. And then I'm, I, I'm really. This year, I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays. I, I hope, I pray, I hope, you know, I want to just, like, hang out with my kids. And so anyways, hopefully we have a really big last finale to the year and then we get to enjoy our family and have some, Some, Some rest, which.

[Blake Neff]

That was the whole purpose. That's why he did AM Fest when he did. He wanted that to be the finale of the year, political year, the grassroots.

[Andrew Colvett]

Season, and looking forward to the next. To the next. I mean, we've got Jesse Watters, Greg Gutfeld. We've got Tucker Bannon. We've got Megan Kelly. Who else do we got? We got a lot of people here. We've got, yeah, Russell Brand. We've got Savannah Chrisley. We've got here. There's our, there's our speaker lineup. Erica Kirk.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, can't forget her.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of course, J.D. vance is gonna be our big finale. I mean, the Glenn Beck. How many other people could we go? Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, all the folks. So it's going to be. It's. It's going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal time. And I hope you guys will either check it, right, Check it out on Real America's Voice or stream it on Rumble. If you can't get tickets. And I wish I could just say, hey, you could still get tickets, which is usually the line. But this year is a little different because we maxed out the space that the convention center could give us, so we had to adjust and turn off the ticketing. But if you go to amfest.com and you want to get tickets? You can get a discounted ticket for next year. So that's kind of the workaround. The best we could do this year. So Amfest starting up tomorrow night. You're not going to want to miss it. There's a lot of news here. We're going to have Steve Dace, who's just a great friend, become a great, good friend, who's a good friend with Charlie before he's become a good friend of mine. He is going to be joining us for the second half of this, this hour. And he's also. He's in town for Amfest, but he's got a show, so we're going to do it remote. And then we got Dr. James or going to be in studio. Let's talk about saving the West. Yes. Which.

[Blake Neff]

It needs much saving.

[Andrew Colvett]

It needs much saving.

[Blake Neff]

I'm just checking now. They're still searching for that Brown University shooter who may have targeted that conservative student.

[Andrew Colvett]

Was it.

[Blake Neff]

I want to get her name right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ella Cook.

[Blake Neff]

Ella Cook, yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And they're still looking for him. They have enhanced footage. There's been rumors that it's a specific person. I don't want to name him because the police have not named him.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's all over the socials.

[Blake Neff]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

And the person has a he. They. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't know who.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, we don't know. So we shouldn't say more.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're holding back, you know. So anyways, that's a terrible story. There's a blockade going on, on in Venezuela. There's a massive story from James, Chuck Grassley, about the FBI Mar A Lago raid.

[Blake Neff]

That's. That's putting in something that, I mean, Charlie cared a lot about, and it's that Chuck Grassley, the. The House team, they've uncovered more documents related to that raid, which. Gosh, that was three years ago, wasn't it? Over three years ago? It feels. That feels crazy to me. I remember the day that happened. But it's internal documents from the FBI as they're debating whether, due to this raid on Mar a Lago, to remind everyone they all went there to find classified materials. They allegedly found them. Whether anything in there was really that important is up for debate. And of course, the president also has the power to declassify things with his mind. So it was. It was quite the bizarre case. And now we just have documents from the White House, from the Washington field office.

[Andrew Colvett]

And you got to where. You got to remember this post image, though, Blake, the. Remember this. Where they, where they Laid them all out with the top secret cover sheets on them. But yeah, turns out they put the COVID sheets. It wasn't like they were filed away. And then we have the image if you guys. It was very silly, but it wasn't like those. They found those files with the top secret cover sheets on them.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, but. Yeah, so this is the line. It's from Assistant Special Agent in Charge. And they just write, very little has been developed related to who might be culpable for mishandling documents from the interviews. Washington field office has gathered information suggesting there may be additional boxes, but there is some concern that this information is single source, has not been corroborated and may be dated. And they basically say there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a probable cause standard, which is wild.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. So there was doubt. Let's. Let's sum this up. They're considering raiding a president's home.

[Blake Neff]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

A former president's home of the United States. Pretty sure that hasn't been done before. Yeah. They cross a Rubicon in American political life that, you know, we've thus far managed to not emulate the third world on. They do it. Even though there is a massive discussion and debate about probable cause. Do they have the probable cause to do so?

[Blake Neff]

Absent a witness coming forward with recent information about classified on site, at what point is it fair to table this? It is time consuming for the team and not productive if there are no new facts supporting probable cause. And then it says. This feels like a sentence weighted with a lot of meaning. DOJ has opined that they do have probable cause requesting a wide scope, including residence, office and storage space.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, this is a. You know, again, Chuck Grassley, he's such a funny tweeter. By the way, the words. He.

[Blake Neff]

That's one way of describing it.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a funny. He's a funny tweeter. Received shocking new docs today from DOJ and FBI showing FBI did not believe it had probable cause to raid President Trump's Mar A Lago home, but Biden DOJ pushed for it anyway. Based on the records. Mar A Lago raid was a miscarriage of justice. Read for yourself. And we have the. We have the image of the document that he was delivered. But I mean, this is. I mean, this is shocking. Stuff like this shows the level of animus that existed within the Biden DOJ for President Trump. The question that I have, where my mind goes is how coordinated was this? How far does the conspiracy reach? Who is involved in it? Who is advising this?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, we say conspiracy, but we have, you know, they all said our own point of view is that the President can order DOJ to investigate something. So.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, but if his own FBI is saying we don't have probable cause, that's a. That's a bombshell for sure.

[Terrence Bates]

For sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

Bombshell.

[Blake Neff]

You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way, because he's at 999,000x follows.

[Andrew Colvett]

He needs 900 to get him over the top.

[Blake Neff]

Get 900 to get over the top.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, probably like that. 815. I just looked.

[Blake Neff]

He has 1,000 followers for every year he's been in the Senate.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm going to follow Chuck Grass, Honestly, right now. I just did it. We also have this Venezuelan blockade. I want to at least prime the pump here. Yeah. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

We have a new statement from President Trump on Venezuela. This has been building for weeks. It's. I think we've been at 10 different points where I thought, are we going to invade Venezuela tomorrow? But it keeps ratcheting up. And what the President announced yesterday is he said, he says the largest armada in history, in the history of South America is surrounding Venezuela now. He says he's designated the Venezuelan government a terrorist organization. And he says they're doing a total blockade on oil tankers going in or out of Venezuela. That is noteworthy because historically, a blockade is conventionally considered an act of war.

[Andrew Colvett]

So it's definitely not as. It's not kinetic, like dropping.

[Blake Neff]

It's not. It's not. This will get. It gets brought up a lot because we, of course, blockaded Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and that was a step. They had to call it a quarantine instead of a blockade. So they could say that it wasn't going to do that. But it's. We'll get into this in this next.

[Andrew Colvett]

Segment because we need to.

[Blake Neff]

I think there's a lot of debate.

[Andrew Colvett]

About what's going on. Venezuela is a really interesting topic, actually, and it has many, many layers. So. But first, I'm going to tell you guys about good ranchers. If you're anything like me, this holiday season, you want to give a gift that actually means something this year. Not. Not another sweater or some socks that are just going to get thrown away. That's exactly why I'm going to be giving gifts of good ranchers this year. Because when you give a good ranchers gift, you're not just sending America's best meat, which you are. You're bringing people together. As soon as that box arrives, you know they're gonna. You can hear the skillet start sizzling, heating up, and then people gather around, start talking, sharing memories for a meal. That's what makes good ranchers so unique. Plus every box is filled with high quality, 100% American raised beef, chicken, pork or seafood, all sourced from local farms and ranches and delivered right to your door. So it's genuinely good. Worth gathering around. So go right now, visit goodranchers.com and use promo code Kirk for $40 off plus you get a free gift of meat in every box and it gives you an opportunity to try some of the other stuff that they have on offer there. So that's goodranchers.com use promo code Kirk K I R K to get 40 off plus free meat for life Venezuela. More on that when we get right back.

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Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvitt here EP of this show. Blake Neff. What's that regular P. Yeah, well, you know, there's a, I get grandfathered in. So here we go. So Venezuela, I want to play this, this clip of Senator Fetterman because this, this, the drug boats thing is, it's like, I can't explain it, but the Democrats think this is like a political winner. And I love that they're picking this because massively popular to take out narco terrorists that are trying to deliver poison onto our shores. It is happening. And finally there's a Democrat, Senator Fetterman who says, listen, the briefing we got yesterday from Rubio and hegseth was amazing. 235 this idea, some things out in the media, it's kind of putting out this, that, that the military is just picking off, you know, any boat that comes across. That's just not true. I mean there's extensive intelligence and they know exactly who's on that boat and they know what's actually on that boat right now.

[Terrence Bates]

And it's quite frequently they, they decline.

[Andrew Colvett]

To take it and to move on those things. When they move on those kinetic kinds of strikes, you know, they have absolute confidence that who's on it and what's on it. And that's exactly what it's about.

[Todd Nettleton]

They're not just going around randomly just.

[Andrew Colvett]

Shooting, shooting boats and those Things that's just not the fact.

[Blake Neff]

You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must. There are, because otherwise it seems like they would stop because no one wants to just commit suicide.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. In that same interview, he did say that the majority of. Of the actions that are being taken are just boat interdictions where they actually grab them on shore, they. I'm sure they process them, seize the drugs, all that sort of thing. So to your point, though, we didn't read the Truth Social yet, did we?

[Blake Neff]

We didn't read the whole thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, but it's like somewhat long. Well, it's interesting because he says he, he. So this is President Trump's Truth Social 221, throw it up. But he says Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South America. It will only get bigger, and the shock to them will take, will be like nothing they have ever seen before. So he's basically. You're right, he's kind of employing almost like a medieval surround the castle block the resources going in, out.

[Blake Neff]

But in this such time, yes, they return to the United States of America all the oil, land, and other assets that they previously stole from us. And I don't think he means literal territory. I think it's land that US companies.

[Andrew Colvett]

Own, probably like ExxonMobil.

[Blake Neff]

Chavez, he nationalized a lot of things with socialism.

[Andrew Colvett]

So they owned a lot of oil land that they were able to extract the oil. And that's. That's typically how these things work. And it was nationalized, it was stolen from American companies. And he alleges, which I think is provably true, the Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance themselves. Drug, terrorism, human trafficking, murder and kidnapping for the theft of our assets and many other reasons, including terrorism, drug smuggling, human trafficking. Yeah. It says, therefore I am ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers. Okay.

[Blake Neff]

So the question is, will this be. I think bombing the drug boats has been a win so far, and it'll remain that way as long as they don't blow up the wrong boat, then it's very bad. But does it remain a win if we end up.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, how.

[Blake Neff]

How high can this go? Like, I think. I think President Trump seems to believe he could probably topple Venezuela quite easily.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And I think it would be easier than Afghanistan or Iraq would be, because I don't think you'd have. It's not this ideological thing where you have this.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's also a Navy, you know, Sea Fleet. Right. That is Blocking and they, you know, Venezuela doesn't have a way to counter us in that way. There's nobody.

[Blake Neff]

Well, yeah, but same thing with those other countries. We still ended up occupying them and having thousands of.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I don't think that's where we're going. I think he's gonna, he's gonna basically choke the finances of the Maduro regime so that he is incentivized to flee and get out of there so that somebody else can. Yeah, listen, I have to say, as against foreign invasions and foreign abstractions and military operations. You know, we talked about this. Michael Knowles. There is going to be more patience with the base to do this. Right. And I'll explain why. First of all, there's been these Venezuelan gangs, you know, Aurora, Colorado story lives in the memory of American citizens. This is one of the reasons President Trump won election. These Venezuelan gangs are being funded, propped up or at least, you know, tacitly blessed by the Maduro regime to cause chaos in our borders. Okay. And by the mere fact that these drug boats continue setting off for the United States. Do you know that?

[Blake Neff]

Do we know that they. I know they say it a lot.

[Andrew Colvett]

What, which part?

[Blake Neff]

Like that they're signing off on gangs doing stuff. I think Venezuela is just a crappy country and so a lot of Venezuelan gangsters come here.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think that that's, that's essentially how Maduro keeps control is what I've read is that he has sort of these handshake, wink, wink agreements with these street gangs and they, they, they do his bidding and they go where he wants. And I feel like the best outcome.

[Blake Neff]

We could have is they flee or get toppled. We get a, you know, the El Salvador guy.

[Andrew Colvett]

Sure, Bukele, Bukele.

[Blake Neff]

And we get a Bukele style government. We send all the Venezuelan illegals back to Venezuela and they immediately send them to some Venezuelan hyper prison that they build for all of them. And we can pay them $5 billion.

[Andrew Colvett]

His number one export is going to, is going to be like prison systems. Like, it's great.

[Blake Neff]

Everyone's, if you look at the polls, everyone who neighbors Venezuela, they're like, they say we want that. I want that in my country.

[Andrew Colvett]

And it'll be great if you got rid of probably in the United States. 400,000 criminals off the streets right now. We'd have paradise. Paradise zero crimes. Steve Dase joins us next. Season.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Steve Dace]

Good to see you guys. God bless. Merry Christmas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, Merry Christmas. Excited to see you. Lots going on this week. It's gonna be jam packed. You're gonna be speaking to the crowd. Do you want to give us a little teaser or what you're, you're thinking about talking about or the, the number.

[Steve Dace]

One thing I hope that we, we get out of this weekend is I've just never experienced the kind of unity and seeds of revival like we had at Charlie's memorial and the immediate thereafter. And I, I am just hoping and praying in advance of this event that what this does is, is recaptures that going into the holidays and then we come out of the new year with that kind of focus and drive and purpose. And Missy shared missiology and momentum again. And so everything, I mean, you guys are keeping me busy this week. So everything that I'm going to be a part of here at the convention center in Phoenix is about, is going to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind of weird for me. I mean, for much of my career I've kind of been the disruptor, insurgent guy. But you know, Charlie convinced me in the last year plus that if we don't convince, we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed. And so now as I get older, I am into my 50s now. I kind of feel like I'm grandpa now and I'm trying to get everybody to stay on the same team for the first time in my career. So I'm going to be harping on that a lot this week.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk quote and I think it was right around the memorial where he says we must hang together or.

[Blake Neff]

We shall surely hang separately.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, and there really is, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve, and this isn't where we were planning to go with it, but I think it kind of all ties in with what we were planning on talking about on the show today. You know, there is a time for bringing coalitions together. Usually that's election years. Right. Obviously you have to seed the ground before, before that happens and you have to do the work before. But there can be a time where you've got to sort. There is a sifting. There is, there can be a sifting that happens. And, and it's, it's truly A difficult question when that time is, you know, how to. Who makes the call? Who has the leadership to sort of lead the, you know, the. The pruning and the, you know, because you got to prune every garden. You got to prune. Prune every tree if it's going to grow healthy. And there is a point where that can be. What do you make of this? I mean, the most famous example is the Buckley in the Birch Society, right? In the. Was that. Was that 60s or 70s?

[Blake Neff]

John Birch Society?

[Andrew Colvett]

50S, 60s, 50s, 60s. All right. I mean, so that's the most famous example. But what do you make of that as a larger question?

[Steve Dace]

I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has gone around the last few months, and I have it here on my computer. I look at it, like, daily, and I think about it a lot. And it's this meme where there's a giant dam and it's labeled Charlie Kirk, and it's holding back this huge body of water, essentially craziness. And the dam is between this crazy body of water and then how we can actually unite and win. And I think about that a lot. And I think people are just now seeing posthumously how much Charlie was respected in that role and precisely was thrust in that role because he did not seek it. I mean, that's the kind of respect you can't appoint yourself an apostle, you can't appoint yourself a bishop. You cannot appoint yourself a leader. And most of the people that try to do that, you know, back in the day when I was younger, we used to say, you can't gloss yourself.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right?

[Steve Dace]

And so the guys that typically try to do that are anything but about that life. And typically that stuff is bestowed upon you organically by your peers. And I just think there was a unique combination, both of reverence for Charlie, respect for Charlie and his intellect, fear of Charlie's intellect and his platform, and then, you know, the. The fact that just he was a good, decent human being at the same time, that uniquely put him into that position. And I think what you're seeing now is there's various elements, these various factions within. Within our movement. Now, libertarians. You know what? America Firster. No, we're really America Firsters. Maybe America Onlyers. You know, maybe we need to have a reconsideration of our relationship with Israel. Maybe we can have a partnership with the Islamic world. Maybe we need to completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world. The leaders of these various factions now are kind of coming to a head with their platforms to fill this void. And that has created a lot of the dissension and argumentation that you're seeing right now. And I think what we actually really need is a real debate. I think we need to have a real argument and in constructive ways so that people can legitimately feel as if their voices are heard. I said in the aftermath of the interview that Tucker did with Fuentes that a lot of people got worked up about. And I said this on my show. I said, listen, trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy our coalition on one end, trying to cancel Tucker because he brings up topics you don't like, and in ways that all the time, frankly, I don't even agree with, will destroy it in the other end. All right, so this. There's no win here by trying to cancel either side of this various conversation. What we really need to have are substantive debates. And I would urge the leaders of these various factions that want to have their views reconsidered now with this void left by Charlie's murder, then I would urge them and I would, one, try to be responsible, try to understand the collateral damage when you bring something up and disagree and be willing to have and let the leaders of the other side and the other factions question you. Go on one another's shows, go on one another's platforms. You know, I know there's going to be lots of breakouts and stuff here this week at America Fest. You know, this is really a time now that we need to come now and reason together, as the Bible says. And that's then the prophet Isaiah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I'm 1,000% with you. I was on Ross Douthat's podcast, and it released last week, and it was a great experience, actually. And the reason I did it was because we had originally booked Charlie to be on Ross's show in October, and lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December. So I was honored to take the invitation and to do it. And one of the things we talked about was this very thing, and I'm a proponent of. Let's have the debate. Let's have the debate. The key is that in the online community, it turns into this kind of feud culture, which is not productive. And that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid. We've been trying to avoid it. And I think, you know, if you can stay out of the personal mudslinging and you get into the debate, the actual merits of the ideas, that's when the. That's the sweet spot. You should not be afraid of that. The feud culture, the mudslinging, the Personal animus. That stuff can be really, really distracting. And by the way, it's really seductive as well.

[Blake Neff]

The feud slinging and also just what they choose to focus on since you mentioned Fuentes and others. But that one of Charlie's best things is he really was almost entirely focused on very practical politics. So he was always, he was always talking about the next race, not even the big elections, but those off year elections. He would have been really hammering the Virginia and New Jersey races and that's why we tried to do the same and, or even Wisconsin Supreme Court election, Tennessee by election. He'd get, get whipped up for these things and he'd fixate on what could Congress be doing right now, what could the President be doing right now that will have an impact on the border, on your individual life? And when he wasn't talking about politics, he was talking about that individual life stuff. You should be going to church, you should be, you know, observe the Sabbath if you can do, do those things. And I do worry that a lot of what's happened with the weirder stuff that's come into the right, you know, arguing over, I mean, let's be frank, a lot of the stuff, the debate about Israel for a lot of them, they really actually just want to hate on Jewish people. And besides the fact that I consider that generally morally wrong, it's also a huge distraction from everything. And it occurred to me that there was this big cancel battle going on in late October of this year right before important elections. And there were a lot of people who weren't talking about that. They were talking about whether it was okay to attack world Jewry or not.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this to you, Charlie was always had this guiding north star, I think that kept him very clear minded about what was important, what wasn't. And that was save the West, Save America, save the West. And you postulate that there's really only two ways we do that. What are those, Steve?

[Steve Dace]

I think one comes from above Providence, and that's mass revival. When you see that 2% of France, less than 2% is evangelical. You see many of the old Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just, you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass Great Awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had Great Awakenings before. We had, you know, we had liberty in America. We had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum? Because that comes from above. And in the practicum, I think we're doomed without a flat out all out immigration moratorium.

[Andrew Colvett]

Whoa, put it on. Yeah, say it again so they can hear you in the back, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all out immigration moratorium. At least five years. I'd say a decade. Something along the lines of my good friend Congressman Chip Roy is proposing right now with the Pause act, but I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism. You know, it. I, I like thumping my Bible, man. I love it. Okay, but I'm not even sure how many Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of them are going to come from countries that are dominated by Islam. So how do we know? How do we vet? How do we know? Because our current whatever the vetting system was around here for the last 20 plus years sucked. All right? Since 9 11, we've taken in over 3 million people from Islamic dominated countries. That is absolute cultural suicide. And I think we've got to stop it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And Steve, how many kids did they have? So, okay, we took in3.3 million. But are they having, you know, 4.7 children each? Each couple there? Right, so is that really, is that really closer to 15 million now? Right. And you see what happened in Bondi Beach. I mean, you know, this is. The west is sleepwalking into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying, please wake up. Charlie was big on this. And there seems to be a faction within our own ranks that is, I don't know, cozying up to this idea that we can be friends with, you know, Islamists that move into our, into our own country. Listen, there are 50 Muslim majority countries in the world. There's lots of options. You don't need to have a move to the West.

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More.

[Andrew Colvett]

With Steve Dase on the other side of this break, we might just keep going through the stream. Steve, we'll be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so, Steve, if. If you're calling for an immigration moratorium, I am totally on board. I would do it for at least a decade, but I'll take what I can get.

[Dr. James Orr]

The.

[Andrew Colvett]

The question then becomes, how do you achieve that political end? Right. You're seeing today that four Republicans have broke in the House for Obamacare subsidies. That is a very clear indication that we do not have people. We do.

[Blake Neff]

Very tough people.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. We have a bunch of Democrat lights in the House and probably in the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think Lisa Murkowski, you think Rand Paul, you think who else? You got Mitch McConnell still in there. Even if we nuke the filibuster, you'd have to presume two things. One, that we have enough votes to do so, and secondly, that once we do so, we'd have enough political will to accomplish the truly important, critical pieces that will save America. And I don't think we have either one minute.

[Steve Dace]

That's exactly why we need to try to do it, though, so our people can see. Remember, the Dred Scott case is considered to be one of the key components that led to the end of slavery in America. We lost that case, but people got to see the US Supreme Court look at a black man and say, that's not a person, it's property. And that clarifying that clarifier ignited the abolitionist movement in the next era to do what must be done to win and so I think we need to try these things even if they fail to spur on our people, so that what comes after Trump then is even more zealous for the kinds of things we're talking about now that they fully know who and what it truly is that we are aligned with.

[Andrew Colvett]

Interesting. You might have just convinced me. I've been really wavering on this. I think, Blake, you're probably a little bit on the other side of that argument. And I've, I've just been, I, admittedly, I've been in the mushy middle because I could see it going like I'm gaming it out how we could do this. And I, and I don't. But you might have convinced me.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's, it's just tough.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's tough. We don't have the soldiers. Yeah. Right now.

[Blake Neff]

But there's a line, like in science, that science progresses one funeral at a time. And I feel like Republican courage progresses one retirement at a time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. We just had another retirement announced in Washington State. We're going to welcome back national radio More with Steve Dase in about five seconds. This is a great conversation. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So we're debating this for radio on about. Okay, so we want to get immigration done. We would all go in favor of an immigration moratorium. How many votes? So let's set the filibuster, nuking the filibuster aside, let's assume that we can do that. Let's assume we get 50 plus one. What happens next? How many US senators would vote for an immigration moratorium right now, as it.

[Steve Dace]

Stands, I don't think, I don't think there's any chance it would pass. But I think our people need to see this.

[Andrew Colvett]

How many do you think we get? 10? You think we get.

[Steve Dace]

I bet you, I bet you get, I bet you get 20 or 25. Because now their votes on the record, and you have to understand the way the Republican Party establishment works is it's an incumbency protection racket. Right. So they don't want a lot of these things to even come up for a vote because they don't want the base to know just truly how weak a lot of the people they're voting for really are. And so this kind of clarifier, you're going to get, the people that were never with us, they're going to get more emboldened to be. So then you're going to get some squishy people who don't want to be known that they're on the wrong side of history here that would like to keep collecting those pension points there in Washington D.C. so I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican senators to vote for it.

[Blake Neff]

It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of what happened with Obamacare for example, where the Republicans would endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare because they knew it was not going to pass. So what would you have in our Senate, how many of them would vote for the full immigration moratorium as long as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually going to pass? And then if it seemed, oh, we have 58 Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it. Suddenly everyone gets shaky, there's problems with it. You have the ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say, oh, I'm actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. Well, and here's the thing. You could do a net zero immigration moratorium, right? So the estimates are around 200 to 300,000 people. US citizens and immigrants, foreign born residents leave the United states every year, 2 to 300,000. So it's not like you're not allowing some movement of humanity, right?

[Blake Neff]

You can bring in a new H1B if you sponsor, if you get somebody.

[Andrew Colvett]

Else to leave America and you have to pay $150,000.

[Blake Neff]

I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft something and they find refugees and they just say we'll pay you $50,000 will resettle you in this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something. Have a nice little Microsoft town. They're dumping people there so they can bring in tech workers.

[Steve Dace]

He can, he can stand up like the joker, break the cue, stick in half and say we're gonna have tryouts.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right.

[Blake Neff]

Peaceful.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's at the White House. It's, this is, yeah, I mean listen, but I actually think some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, trump gold card, right? The trump card or whatever, $5 million people. And you know, I posted something on, on X and people were like, something about how, you know, a piece of paper doesn't make you an American. And they're like, yeah, we agree. What about the trump card? It's like, okay, we have to have a, some pragmatism in here. We have to, we have to look at, you know, so for example, I'm against H1BS but I'm pro genius visas, so why would we have more geniuses.

[Blake Neff]

Moving at this point? I often just look at what China does, because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves, even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants. They just have very few. They find a world class expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay you a million dollars a year, $2 million a year, and you have to teach these native Chinese everything you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, imagine that.

[Steve Dace]

If you look at the H1B program, guys, right now there's about as many H1B visas in America as there are college educated people in the unemployment line. And so we keep being told that Americans cannot do these jobs. So let me repeat that. There's about as many college degreed people in the unemployment line in America right now as we have H1B visas. I mean, if we're graduating from college and you cannot even do baseline H1B visa work, then I think we should seriously consider why we even have colleges and universities. And in the first place, what are they other than learning how to become a gay race communist? What are they doing there?

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, you know, it kind of, I hate to, I mean, that's a funny line and I want to enjoy the moment, but for some reason it made me think of poor Ella Cook at Brown University, you know, the radical environment that she was living around. And we're waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But I'm gonna be honest, like, it's hitting me like, you know, the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It felt sad and sympathy and I said a prayer for her and her family. But as the days go on and I sit with this, it's hitting me hard. I'm like, I'm having, you know, it's hitting closer to home because I think what happened to Charlie and it just is breaking my heart. And you know, these universities, they had a lot of federal funding. They get a lot of prop, you know, they propped up and they're, you know, you're indoctrinating your, your children. You're, you're playing Russian roulette with their values. Steve Dace, we are going to see you this weekend, my friend. Thanks for joining. That was a really fun conversation. So we appreciate you making the time. We'll see you. We'll see you tomorrow probably. All right. Dr. James or one of Charlie's favorites joins us in hour two. You're not going to want to miss it. We'll be right back.

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump is en route to Dover, Delaware as we speak. He just boarded Marine One and is headed to the Air Force to Joint Base Andrews before then heading to Dover, Delaware. In Delaware, he'll participate in a dignified transfer as the bodies of two Iowa National Guardsmen who were killed in Syria are being returned home to the United States. We'll of course, have more coverage on that throughout the day here on Real America's Voice. In the meantime, retooling health care in this country is on the docket on Capitol Hill. House Republicans are hoping to pass their version of a health care plan. Meantime, four Republicans have already crossed the aisle to vote with Democrats on a discharge petition that would force a vote on expiring Obamacare subsidies, despite House Speaker Mike Johnson's resistance to that idea. Chief White House correspondent Brian Glenn joining us from the White House with the very latest on all the goings on around Washington, D.C. brian, good afternoon. Let's start with Medicare, those Obamacare subsidies. This is a major win for Democrats. Huge loss for House Speaker Mike Johnson.

[Andrew Colvett]

It is, Terrence.

[Terrence Bates]

Just in the last hour, Rep From Pennsylvania, Ryan McKenzie has signed the discharge petition along with House Democrats to force this to the floor for a vote. Now, the vote on the ACA credits.

[Andrew Colvett]

Will not take place until next year.

[Terrence Bates]

But it does in fact put it.

[Blake Neff]

On the Floor for a vote. This is for a clean three year.

[Terrence Bates]

Extension of the Obamacare premium subsidies that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Have been widely talked about.

[Blake Neff]

Now what also is on the floor.

[Terrence Bates]

Today for a vote is a couple of health care bills as well. That there actually strengthens some of the health care policies, prevents fraud from happening amongst health care. I do anticipate those particular bills passing. But in terms of the big one.

[Andrew Colvett]

That everyone's talking about, Terrence, it's because.

[Terrence Bates]

Four Republicans joined Democrats to force this.

[Blake Neff]

To the floor for a vote.

[Andrew Colvett]

Now this does show a lot of.

[Terrence Bates]

Signs of Speaker Johnson losing his grip on the Republican Party in terms of this particular subject of coming up with a solution. Terrence, as we know going into the 2026 midterms, this is a big topic and those health care subsidies expire at the end of this year. So Brian, let's take a quick step back because there are really kind of two issues that we're talking about. The Obamacare subsidies vote, which will be next year, that's one thing. And that's something that Democrats really have been kind of holding out for. And so now that's going to happen. But really from a Republican standpoint, the bigger issue is retooling healthcare in this country. There will be a vote on that. Will there be an impact from the subsidies issue or on the actual vote to change the way that health care is handled in this country? How are the two connected and will they impact each other? Explain that for our viewers.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I think so.

[Terrence Bates]

Because what we need to do here.

[Blake Neff]

Is provide no one. We all know that if these subsidies.

[Terrence Bates]

Goes away, a lot of people's premiums.

[Andrew Colvett]

Are going to skyrocket.

[Terrence Bates]

We know that's fact.

[Blake Neff]

But there must be some type of.

[Terrence Bates]

Off ramp that Republicans and Democrats can come together to, to really get rid of these health care subsidies and make health care more affordable. This is a bigger picture here. Health care in general has the prices, the rates, your premiums have just absolutely skyrocketed, not only just in the last four years under, under Joe Biden's administration, but if you look historically over the last 10 years, these premiums have gone.

[Blake Neff]

Absolute, absolutely unaffordable for many Americans.

[Terrence Bates]

So the broader conversation is what can they do to make sure that health care is not only the health care itself is world class, we know that. But the premiums, the actual rates you pay are very competitive and that an average American can afford that because right now without these subsidies, they simply cannot do that. So there is a larger conversation in play of making it more affordable and really more accessible for I would say the average class American today, family of four, they must be able to to afford health care. And right now without these subsidies, it's unaffordable. Brian Health care has the big headlines right now on Capitol Hill, but later this afternoon, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene also is going to have a vote on one of her bills to protect children. Explain what's going to be happening there and where the traction is, if you will, on that bill. Okay. Yes, the bill is called Protect Children's Innocence act. And what it does, it makes it a felony to perform gender affirming care on a minor. And this is basically supporting President Trump's executive order on this issue. That vote is coming today at 3 o'.

[Andrew Colvett]

Clock.

[Terrence Bates]

Although Chip Roy has put an amendment to basically water down this building.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome to hour two, the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvett. Blake Neffs to my left, defected. Switch sides of the table. And the reason being is that in studio we have the great Dr. James Orr. Pleasure to have you, sir.

[Dr. James Orr]

Great to be with you, Andrew. Great to be with you, Blake.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, it's always a treat. You know, some of my best, most favorite last memories with Charlie you happen to be a part of as well. And so that is really close to my heart and I know to yours as well and I'm glad we had that time. And then you came back afterwards and I know you, you've made some trips to Phoenix and you're going to be joining us for Amfest. So I think we're all excited. You're actually going to be moderating some discussions. So.

[Dr. James Orr]

So I believe I've only just. Just found this out maybe a few days ago. I'm really excited we volunteered you for some three debates. That's amazing. Including some pretty neuralgic, difficult topics. I think there's one on. Well, there's one on. God, you don't get harder than that. There's one on Israel. And I think they thought, well, who are we going to give the hospital pass to? Let's send it to the Brit. Who cares if he blows up.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, exactly. It's not like you have your own reputation to worry about here. Dr. Orr, you of course are very active with reform in the uk. How things going over there.

[Dr. James Orr]

Things are going extremely well. In fact, in many ways there isn't really a historical precedent for how well reform UK is doing.

[Andrew Colvett]

How so?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, what we're witnessing is really the emergence for the first time in the history of British politics, a new party.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of the right that is credible, that.

[Dr. James Orr]

Has increasingly, well, very strong popular support. I think we've been leading at about a 160 polls, poll after poll. We've made some amazing incursions electorally. Back in May, swept the local elections. Looks like we're going to do extremely well in Wales and in Scotland. So the energy is extraordinary at the moment. We're sometimes polling higher than the combined polling of the Labour Party and the Conservative Party, the two historic parties.

[Blake Neff]

I want to highlight that they've had a few different parties towards the left end of the politics. They used to have the Liberals and they're still around, but they're small and they got replaced by Labor. But the Conservatives and before them the Tories, they're older than America. There was a. I believe it was a Tory Prime Minister when the American Revolution broke out.

[Dr. James Orr]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Blake Neff]

And they've been the party of government typically in Britain for 300 years and it might all go down in flames.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and you know, are we still. First question, what's the animating factor?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, I think one very important animating factor is a negative one, namely just the routine betrayal and incompetence of successive Labour and Tory governments over certainly over the last 25 years, over the Tory period. The Conservatives let in their last Parliament from sort of 2019 to 2024. More legal and illegal migrants than we've seen in our history.

[Todd Nettleton]

Why?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, all sorts of complicated reasons behind it, but I think part of the problem was a belief in the dogma of the treasury that the British economy will collapse if we don't keep the Ponzi scheme going, if we don't keep bringing in hundreds of thousands, indeed millions of people to help, to help prop up the, prop up the economy and do the jobs that, that, that Brits don't want to do. It's the same old story.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, it's so appalling just because you did the Biden wave, except they call it Boris wave there. And it was I think higher than Biden's level of immigration when you adjust for the size of the country. And with a right wing government. They've had only right of center governments in the UK until Starmer from 2010 to last year and they did the full open border spiel from the right.

[Dr. James Orr]

That's exactly right. And so that's, I think that's the, the first thing that's really driving support for us because reform has been very, very clear on migration from the very beginning. It's very clear on the fiscal suicide of net zero and the need to get some energy independence and energy sovereignty. It's been very clear on questions of free speech. We had the passing of the Online Safety act just a few months ago and this is really a censorship charter using the wedge of trying to get some statutory protection for children online. But folded into that enormous piece of legislation was effectively measures and tools that equip Ofcom, our media regulator with enormous powers to censor and even substack is now having to censor certain articles to comply with the legislation.

[Blake Neff]

I think even X announced today that they just said some of our material is going to have to be taken down in Europe and you have to watch out for what you post because you're calling. But we can't defy these laws just yet.

[Andrew Colvett]

We need to do something.

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, the European Union is developing its own kind of censorship charter that is even more draconian and it's extraordinary what's happening. So we're very committed to getting free speech rights if we ever got into power. And it's quite straightforward to do it. There's just a few provisions and a few acts here and there that need to be amended or clarified or simply repealed and that could have an enormous downstream effect on the culture of freedom.

[Blake Neff]

You guys are so lucky. In Britain they, they just have supremacy of Parliament. They can essentially just if you Have a majority. You can pass any law you want on anything. But I want to. On the free speech thing, can you talk about the Islamophobia definition that's been going on in the past couple days? That's another concern.

[Dr. James Orr]

Yeah. So this has been a long running debate in the public square over the last few years in Britain and there's been a big push on the left and now with the, the Labour Party, which has an enormous majority in the House of Commons, to effectively legislate a, a def. Definition and protect or, or rather, yeah, protect any, anyone who feels themselves to be a victim of Islamophobia. And so, so there's been a lot of back and forth and actually Parliament has been working very well. There's been excellent Tory mps who've been getting up and pointing out just what an incursion on, on freedom of speech and freedom of religion this definition would be. Because effectively what they're trying to do is to elide sort of beliefs with identity. And, and so the thought is that, you know, to, to be a Muslim is to have, is to have a particular identity rather than to have that identity in virtue of subscribing to a set of set of beliefs, beliefs that, that plainly can be criticized in any free democracy and indeed and should be criticized, should be open to criticism.

[Andrew Colvett]

But.

[Dr. James Orr]

So the government's backed down, is trying to tweak the definition and now it's something like anti Muslim, anti Muslim hatred or anti Muslim. Yeah, I think it's anti Muslim hatred. And the problem with that is it just, you know, it just bakes in the problem.

[Andrew Colvett]

Do they have anti white hatred?

[Dr. James Orr]

They technically have policy. Technically, yes. I mean there is all of this sort of. Of exists under the equality legislation. But this would be a special provision. It'd be a special protection which. Well, they're trying to say by shifting to anti Muslim hate as opposed to Islamophobia, we've kind of solved the problem. But we don't because again, the assumption is there that somehow to be a Muslim is to be a member of a race or to be a member of an ethnic group which plainly you're not, you're a Muslim. Just if you can do the Shahada three times or whatever it might be, you could. The three of us could become Muslims in the next half hour. It's completely nothing to do with our ethnicity or race.

[Blake Neff]

I'm looking at the latest draft definition and it includes as something that would be banned the prejudicial stereotyping and racialization of Muslims to stir up hatred against them. That just strikes me as an incredibly broad thing, stereotyping of Muslims to say there's a common trait that a lot of Muslims have.

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, I think that, I mean, what you would have to say to speak to a trait that a lot of Muslims have is you'd have to pick out some doctrinal commitment, you know, some, some belief that should be contestable in a free democracy. It's not. There's nothing distinctive ethnically or racially distinctive about being Muslim, as we said. It's simply whether or not you sign up to a belief system. And so what it's doing is it's protecting that belief system, protecting the identity that you have in virtue of signing up to the belief system.

[Blake Neff]

It's an ideological belief. And then you say you can't stereotype a belief system system. Well, what is, what is it then?

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, yeah, but what about, you know, genital mutilation of young girls? That tends to be something that happens in Muslim African nations. What about the grooming gangs, you know, that tend to be centralized within a particular immigrant group that happen to be Muslims? So, so then all of a stuff, all of a sudden, these get very sticky, these topics.

[Dr. James Orr]

Absolutely right. I mean, what's interesting about that is that that ironically, this legislation could, you know, make people think that target, you know, criticism about grooming gangs or criticism about female genital mutilation is something somehow a widespread shared Islamic belief. But, but it's not. It's actually, you know, certainly the grooming gangs come from a very particular area of Pakistan and FGM is, you know, localized in parts of Sub Saharan Africa.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're going to take a quick radio break. We'll be right back. More with Dr. James or.

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[Blake Neff]

Relentless in spirit.

[Todd Nettleton]

You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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[Dr. James Orr]

Well, my, my main job and vocation is in academia. So I'm an associate professor of philosophy religion at Cambridge in England where I teach undergraduates, I teach graduate students, PhD students. So I love doing that. But I have another day job now where as senior advisor to Nigel Farage, leader of Reform uk and, and we are all expecting our next prime minister and 2029. Well, 2029 is the latest that the election can be called and I'm not sure the country can last that Long, but it's possible that the government will fall before that. We're good at getting very good at getting rid of prime ministers. Getting rid of governments is a lot harder.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Dr. James Orr]

Okay, so turkeys don't vote for Christmas, which you have to vote for the government to fall, even if they hate the head turkey.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, exactly. We do. We do turkey at Christmas too, but it's more of a. Thanks. I don't know. Anyways, we're going to welcome back radio more with Dr. James Orr in two seconds. All right, Nostradamus, or when would you predict that we're actually going to be able to vote again in the UK? Is it going to be 2029 or you predict before?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, I mean, the first thing to say is that we've got what Nigel is calling our midterms, sort of an American phrase, but we have got a big set of regional, local devolved elections next May. So the whole of Wales gets to vote for its local parliament. Same in Scotland. And then there's thousands of seats around Greater London and all around England that are going to be up for grab. And we're expecting a turquoise tsunami. We're expecting reform UK to do extremely well in all of those elections. And that will be the last time that the British people get to express their democratic will before the next general election. The latest that can be constitutionally, is the first week of August 2029. And it could be that Keir Starmer, many people don't think he's going to be Prime Minister for that much longer, but whoever his successor would have until the first week of August 2029. But it could be that something happens before that. We're expecting a recession, we're expecting perhaps a very tight credit squeeze before 2029. So it's not impossible that we'd be looking at a General Election 2027. I think I'm probably more inclined to say it's going to be 2029. I think the last hundred years, the British government's fallen maybe once when you change Prime Minister, you don't change the British government, you just change the leader of the party who's got the majority in Parliament.

[Blake Neff]

And it just seems to me, I can't figure out why Labour would call an election just to get killed. Hold power while you have it.

[Dr. James Orr]

Exactly. As I said earlier, you know, turkeys don't vote for Christmas, even if they hate the head turkey, which they do. And indeed, the whole of the British left is quite a turkey.

[Andrew Colvett]

The whole.

[Dr. James Orr]

Pretty bland, definitely. But, yeah, the whole of The British left now is really cannibalizing itself. It's splintering off into all kinds of different movements. We've seen for the first time ever, really, the Green Party now getting into well into double digits in the polls.

[Blake Neff]

Could we get Green versus reform as it's not unthinkable.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's not unthinkable, essentially what we have in the United States, in some ways it's MAGA versus Mamdani.

[Dr. James Orr]

Right? Yeah. I mean, so it's very interesting seeing the parallels between somebody like Mandani and Zach Polanski, who is this, the new leader of the Green Party. And it's growing very, very fast as a party. It's easy. I think you only pay like £5 to get in. So it'd probably be quite easy to do some entryism and maybe hijack the Green Party. But as far as we're concerned, it's fantastic. You know, may many flowers on the British left bloom because it's basically fracturing the vote between, you know, you've got the focus on, well, I mean there are, you focus on the crescent, you might say there's a focus on the rainbow. There's a focus, focus on the star with the old socialists. So this is not going to work out well. And the cracks are emerging. The parliamentary Labour Party is very welfarist, very, very statist. Starmer tried to get a tiny little haircut, five billion pounds off our ballooning, 300 billion pound a year welfare bill and he couldn't get it through even though he had a majority in parliament of about 175seats.

[Andrew Colvett]

So.

[Dr. James Orr]

And that's the most, you know, just a very, very tiny, very, very small exercise of kind of restraining our public expenditure. So, yeah, things are not looking good on that side of British politics. And on the right, yes, there are also figures popping up. There's a Tommy Robinson's, there's Rupert Lowes, there's Ben Habibs. These are interesting figures on the right. So it's not like we're completely unified, but that's where the energy is. I think there's a feeling that that's where the policy energy is. That's where the people are. It's where the best ideas are fizzing on the right.

[Blake Neff]

So we just discussed with Steve Dase, our last guest, about the recurring Republican problem of elect people to restrict immigration or do other bold things and they just get these feet of clay in office. So I suppose one obvious concern is reform wins a landslide. 27 or 29. Do they have the stones to go through with a big immigration cutback or moratorium or other big sweeping things, or is there going to be a lot of. Are people going to wuss out at the, at the brink?

[Dr. James Orr]

Yeah, somebody told me, I think it was about a year ago, that the process, there's a name for that process. What happens to you as you, as you go in. And melonification. Melonification, which I think actually in retrospect is probably unfair to Georgia Maloney, who is reputed to have come in with talking tough on migration and then actually folded as soon as she. As soon as she got in. But actually, I think if you look at her numbers, but look what she's done, her track record, it's been pretty impressive. So it's going to be very, very challenging. We're going to be up against one of the most effective blobs, as it were, as we call it in England, in the world. It's enormous inertia, huge resistance probably to almost all of our program, despite having widespread popular support across all the different parties regaining control of our borders. So it's going to be extremely difficult. We're gonna be up against the judicial industrial complex, the human rights lawyers.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm very fascinated. That was actually my question about legally, what are you guys going to. Because we. Trump gets stopped at every judge, every district judge with a gavel and a robe. And I can only imagine just knowing the nature, somewhat of the English intelligentsia that you're gonna be up against a real stiff fight. We're gonna have Todd Nettleton from Voice of the Martyrs join us as well. So there'll be four of us. We'll be right back.

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. President Trump is scheduled to deliver an address to the nation tonight from the White House. We're expecting the president to discuss the blockade of oil tankers into Venezuela as well as the potential retaliation against Syria for the killings of two American soldiers over the weekend. In fact, as we speak, the president and first lady headed to Dover, Delaware, where they're expected to arrive any minute now to receive the bodies of those two Iowa National Guardsmen during a dignified transfer ceremony. You can see the president boarding Marine One here, heading towards Dover, Delaware, again for that dignified transfer service. The Commander in Chief left the White House in the last hour or so to make his way north for that ceremony. Sergeants Edgar Torres Tovar and William Nate Howard were killed in that attack on their convoy in Syria. Howard's younger brother, Sgt. James Rosegard, was also deployed with the Iowa National Guard. We're told that he will escort his brothers by home. The moment that happens, we'll try to take you there live so that you can experience this. It's a ceremony, this transfer ceremony. Again, President Trump, Iowa Senator Chuck Grassley, also expected to be on site, will take you there for it the moment it happens. Meantime, President Trump's White House Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles, raising eyebrows following a series of interviews with Vanity Fair. The author of the article says that Wiles describes the president as having an alcoholic's personality and an eye for vengeance against perceived enemies. The article also quotes Wiles as saying that Attorney General Pam Bondi, quote, completely whiffed her early handling of the Epstein files. In all, the article highlights, Wiles supposed takes of tensions and missteps were within the administration thus far into the President's second administration. However, Wiles is pushing back against the reporting, saying that it is a, quote, disingenuously framed hit piece on me and the finest president, White House staff and cabinet in history. We'll of course continue to study all of that and continue to follow all of that for you. We'll also monitor the situation in Dover, Delaware, as President Trump is headed that way to receive the body of those two Iowa Guards, Iowa National Guardsmen who were killed in Syria. That's going to.

[Todd Nettleton]

Fact first, America first.

[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We've got a full house here, Dr. James or Blake Neff, myself. And we're about to bring in one more. We're going to talk about the persecuted church, which I'm is a very important topic, very near and dear to my heart. But first I'm going to tell you about our friends over at TikTok. Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. Charlie understood this turning point, knows this. And TikTok has always strived to build that kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity fuels a real important conversation. On Tick Tock, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even have a name for or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen, discuss, and then they respond. Tick Tock turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You, you can feel it in the comments, in the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. Tick Tock is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real and meaningful. Portions of the Charlie Kirk show are brought to you in part by TikTok. Joining us now is Todd Nettleton, author of When Faith Is Forbidden. He's also the voice of the Martyrs Radio host. Todd, welcome to the show.

[Todd Nettleton]

Thanks so much. Good to be with you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Honored to be with you. You're also joined by Dr. James Orr from Cambridge. And this is an issue near and dear to his heart as well. So we're going to have a fun. Well, not a fun. It's a serious and important conversation. You have been traveling around interviewing persecuted Christians in South Asia. And I think a lot of people, a lot of discussion right now is about Nigeria. This is kind of, if you're going to talk about this topic, that's where you're focused on. But you know, there are other areas of the world that we need to be aware of where Christians are being persecuted actively right now. Please tell us about some of your stories out of South Asia.

[Todd Nettleton]

Yeah, one of the things we heard repeatedly in South Asia was stories of Christians being affected by the Anti conversion laws in India. So multiple states. Now, 12 states in India have passed laws that make it illegal to change your religion and illegal to encourage someone else to change their religion. So right now in India, there are dozens of pastors in prison under these anti conversion laws. And, and one of the interesting things is the inducement, the idea of inducing someone to change their faith is illegal. We actually had an interview and we've aired it now on Voice of the Martyrs Radio with a human rights attorney who is talking about if you set up donuts and coffee before your church service, the government can come in and say, hey, that's an illegal inducement. You're giving donuts and coffee away. You're tricking people into changing their religion. That's the kind of silliness that these laws are based on. Here's the other thing though. It is not illegal to reconvert someone to Hinduism. In fact, an Indian member of Parliament just in the last few weeks has presided over what they call a reconversion ceremony. Reconverting people back to Hinduism. They can do that by force. But if a Christian invites you to church, if the Christian gives you donuts and copies coffee, that's an illegal inducement to change your religion.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wow. So 12 states, I had to look this up. There's 28 states in India. So we're at nearly half of the country of India. It is now legal and I don't know population, you know, what percentage of the population that would make up. But that, that is striking, especially for a British, former British run colony, if you will. But so when did that start changing? I'm curious, when did those laws start passing?

[Todd Nettleton]

Well, they really took a lot of momentum when Prime Minister Modi, who has come out of this Hindu nationalist movement called the rss, that is his background, he's the Prime Minister of the whole country of India. And so he has brought that philosophy to the highest levels of the Indian government. Now they have talked about a national anti conversion law. So far that has not happened. But there are individual states where they have passed these anti conversion laws. And you know when they talk about sounds like a good idea, like hey, we don't want people to be bribed or forced to change their religion. And I think all of us would say, yeah, that, that's true, we don't want that. But then like I say, when you get to what the law actually says and some of the laws, there's one state that says if you want to change your religion, you need to go before a magistrate and say, that you're going to change your religion. And if you want to talk to someone else about changing their religion, what, what us Christians would call evangelism, you need to go before a magistrate six months before you have that conversation. And you need to appear and say, hey, in six months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor about coming to church with me. I just want to get your okay, Mr. Magistrate. And it's like, you read that and you're like, that's, that's ludicrous. No, no one could do that. No one would do that. Yes, exactly. Exactly. So when you have that conversation, then they can come in and say, well, hey, six months ago, you didn't go to the magistrate. That was illegal. You're going off to jail.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, it kind of makes me think of this story that's kind of percolating, and we haven't talked about it yet, but Rep. Mark Walker from North Carolina, he's Trump's nominee for religious freedom, and he's just been waiting for a committee hearing, so we can't seem to get that through. He's getting blocked, apparently, by a political form of political foe. But these are the types of stories we need to be educated on about why those types of posts are so important within the Trump administration. Let's kind of keep going around the map here. So we talked about South Asia. There's issues in Central Asia and there's obviously Nigeria. Highlight the stories that you think our audience needs to hear most.

[Todd Nettleton]

Well, I think of Nigeria, obviously, it's in the news. Just on Sunday, there was another raid on a church. 13 Christians killed, kidnapped out of their church. Right now, we don't know. Was this Boko Haram? Was this isis West Africa Province? Was it just a criminal gang that, that wants ransom? They're, they're trying to fundraise, and so they're kidnapping people for ransom. Right now, we don't know that, but this is happening again and again and again. And I think at some point you start to ask the question, well, is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of attacks, or do they not have the will. Will to stop these kinds of attacks? And those are valid questions since President Trump named Nigeria as a country of particular concern earlier this year. It's going to be really interesting to see how the State Department plays that out and what, what tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria. Again, typically, it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuting Christians. It is these terrorist groups. It is Islamists from among the Fulani tribes, it is other sort of smaller players. So it's going to be interesting to see how that CPC status plays out and how the State Department sort of acts that out in our relationship with Nigeria.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and one of the more surprising things, I don't know if you've heard this story, Dr. Orr, but Nicki Minaj, of all people, has been helping raise awareness. You can throw up 262. She gave a keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing of Christians in Nigeria. She's been working, willing to work with the Trump administration to raise awareness on this. I mean, this is a, I have to say, I've not traditionally been a fan of the rapper known as Nicki Minaj, but I mean, good for her. How many Christians have been silent, how many conservatives have been silent about the persecution of the Christian church in Nigeria, the slaughter of Christians? And then Nicki Minaj comes here and she helps make it a national news story, an international news story. It already was one. But raising the profile of that story, have you seen movement even at Voice of the Martyrs since she's gotten involved?

[Todd Nettleton]

It is interesting to have other voices that you weren't expecting. Bill Maher did the same thing raising the issue of Nigerian persecution. Persecution. So you have Bill Maher and you have Nicki Minaj. And if you have President Trump all talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, I don't think any of us would have predicted that at the beginning of this year.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Let's take our, our sights to Syria. There's kind of conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted in Syria as well. What can you tell us there?

[Todd Nettleton]

Well, the Syrian government, the new Syrian government now almost a year old, a year since the fall of Bashar al Assad there in Syria, what they have said to the rest of the world is we want religious freedom. We want a Syria that is safe for every religion. We know that there are Syrians who are Christians and there are Syrians who are Druze and there are Syrians who are Muslim. And we want to all live together in peace. And the rest of the world hears that. And we're like, yes, that's great. We want that, too. What they're saying, though, inside Syria is very different. And we have had contact with Syrian pastors who are hearing from the government or hearing from the soldiers. You Christians, just you wait. Wait till we get our feet on the ground. Wait till we get our government established. Then we're going to take care of you. So what they're telling the rest of the world. The Syrian government is not what they're telling Christians living inside Syria. And Christians there are understandably very concerned. If you're a father or a mother and you have young children in Syria and you're a Christian, Christian right now, you are asking yourself every single day, is it safe for our children? Is it safe to raise our children here, or should we try to go somewhere else? That's a huge challenge, and that's just reality of following Christ right now in Syria.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, thank you for that update. And it occurs to me, and you guys kind of flagged this for us, is that during the Christmas season, persecution of Christians actually increases. So, so for our audience listening, what do they need to know about that? Why is that a thing? And what can they do to help?

[Todd Nettleton]

Well, if you hate Christians, if you hate the gospel, what better time to make a statement like that than on the day Christians are celebrating the birth of Christ? So Christians have been targeted in recent years in Democratic Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt. And so we want Christians here in America. As you gather around the table, as you are with your family, as you're with your loved ones, we hope that you'll remember to pray for Christians who live in hostile areas and restricted nations. They are at more risk around the Christmas season, more risk around Christian holy days. And so as we gather together in safety, let's pray for the members of our spiritual family who don't have that safety and, and just pray that. That God will protect them during this Christmas season.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, and we have a URL here as well that I want to make sure we put up. And it's. It's vom.org Charlie. Vom.org Charlie. So if you want to be a voice for religious freedom, if you want to stand with your brothers and sisters in Christ around the globe that are facing persecution and in some cases is genocide, please, please, please, this Christmas season when they need you the most, consider being a part of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing. We love this organization. We love what they're doing. And Todd, I just, you know, really, really appreciate you highlighting these areas of the world where we need to be praying. We should be praying for the persecuted church. We should be doing what we can to contribute financially, especially right now. And, you know, final words to you, Todd, before we hit the break.

[Todd Nettleton]

Well, when you come to that website, we'd love to send you a free book that has stories of persecuted Christians. And this is a way to be inspired all year long as you read the stories of people who would rather go to prison or rather be beaten or rather be killed than deny their faith in Christ. I think there's great lessons and great inspiration for all, all of us who are Christians in these stories.

[Andrew Colvett]

That is vom.org Charlie to get involved, help out. Thank you so much, Todd. God bless you.

[Todd Nettleton]

Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll be back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back. What is the, I mean, so we're talking about persecution all over sort of the developing world, Asia, Central Asia, Africa, the Middle east, certainly. What, what's the state of Christendom in Europe, in the uk?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, I guess it's post Christendom. And you could say maybe the story of Europe in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is how to fit put Humpty Dumpty back together again after the fall of Christendom, after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire. And you could think of even the European Union as an attempt to come up with some sort of secular sequel to Christendom, like a way of trying to, you know, bind Europe together into a sort of single collective entity. But I remember back in 2004, five, when they were trying to push through a constitution on, on the eu, there was an attempt made to make reference to just the Christian and Jewish inheritance of Europe as well as the Hellenic and Enlightenment ones. And there was a huge political battle over it. And in the end they said, no, we're not making any mention of it at all. So that, that's the sort of broad context across Europe, you might say in Britain itself, you know, there's, there's evidence, I think some evidence that there's been a quiet revival over the last five years. Big spikes in Bible buying, big spikes in commitment to God, at least some kind of spirituality. So there are some interesting signs. But broadly speaking, the institutional church, the Church of England, has chronically failed Christians in Britain, in England for many, many years now on all of the really sort of hot button political issues it's taken aside. Now that's not something that the Church should really be doing. It certainly shouldn't be doing it as aggressively as it has been doing it. I was saying to somebody the other day that actually the bishops in the House of Lords are voting more often against the Conservative government than the Labour Party. My friend Ed west calls Britain, he says we're the world's only left wing theocracy.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh geez, that's a bad recipe. We're gonna welcome back national radio in about five seconds. Stay right there. All right. I want to tell you about my Patriot supply, the Christmas gift. They have a great deal going on. It's called Buy one gift two Christmas special. So you buy a four week emergency food supply for yourself and then you get two one week food kits absolutely free that you can give to anybody you want. So that's a perfect gift for somebody that needs to be nudged along in their preparedness journey or they're already really into it and it's just, it's a free gift. So you get a four week food supply, you get two free one week food supply gifts that you can give to anybody. So it just makes sense to be prepared. You never know what's going to happen. You're also getting unique and meaningful Christmas gifts for your friends and family and they're free. So head on over to my patriotsupply.com that's my patriotsupply.com Kirk and grab yours today. This offer is only around for the holiday season, so be sure to go over right now. There's still time for Christmas. My Patriotsupply.com Kirk MyPatriotsupply.com Kirk so I want to do a little bit of housekeeping and then we're going to finish up with Dr. James Orr. So it has been announced today that this show is going to no longer be on the Salem Radio Network work. Once January comes, comes around. I want to be very clear about a couple of things here. We are still going to be working with our friends over at Salem. They're great. They wanted to keep us on the radio, and we actually made a decision not to for a lot of reasons that, you know, perhaps will be. It'll make sense to. To do that in the future. But they were very. They've been very gracious. They wanted to keep this show on the radio. Our team chose to kind of go a different route and do a little bit more streaming, focused and real America's Voice. So the live show is going to continue. Nothing's going to change in many, many ways. But very excited for our friends Scott Jennings, who's going to take on an additional hour, and Alex Marlowe will take on the. It's gonna be alex in the 12 to 1, and then Scott Jennings will be 1, 2, 3, and that's east coast.

[Blake Neff]

I do want to emphasize that there. There are good friends.

[Andrew Colvett]

They're good friends.

[Blake Neff]

Not a hostile act in any way.

[Andrew Colvett]

They gave us the option, and we opted to not do that. We're sort of in this brave new world of the show, and we have to make decisions about what fits the people that are around right now. And this is something Charlie and I had talked a lot about for a long time and kind of the future direction. So for us, this feels like we're staying true to the things that Charlie wanted in the last conversations we had about the direction of the show. But the show is, for all intents and purposes, you can still streaming Reel America's Voice podcast. All of those things will stay the same rumble. Wherever you watch the show or pick up the show or get the clips on YouTube or whatever, it will stay the same. But just that radio portion is going to be shifting, and I won't get into the minutia. But we appreciate Salem. It's been an amazing radio run, and we are so excited for Alex Marlow, who's an amazing friend, and. And Scott Jennings to do what they do there. So with the little bit of housekeeping out of the way, I actually didn't know that was coming out this morning. I thought it was gonna be tomorrow morning, so that's why we didn't get to it yet. But anyway, so the final segment here, we've only got about two minutes left. You're gonna be at amfest. What does a British man do surrounded by tens of thousands of conservative Americans?

[Dr. James Orr]

Well, actually, you know what? I've had some practice Because I was at Charlie's memorial, I managed to make it over in time from England and that was. If it's anything like that, I'm def, really looking forward to Amfest. And Charlie invited me back in August and I, I just assumed that it, it wouldn't happen and I, but, but it did. I'm just thrilled to be here. And I remember saying, what is Amfest? And he explained to me what it was. And I said, well, what, you want me to speak? What, what do you want me to say? He said, I know, I know exactly what you're going to say. Don't worry, I'll, I'll tell you exactly what to say. I'll write your speech for you. And I never followed up with him, but I'm just thrilled to be here and I hope I can honor him on stage and honor him with the various debates that I'm privileged to be moderating. So, yeah, can't wait. We don't do that kind of thing in England and yet maybe this is something we could bring over. But yeah, the energy, the momentum, the sense of excitement, the vision that's just holding the movement together is just awe inspiring and it's just great for us to bring back, as I've said before, bring back some Kirk juice to Britain.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and, and you're going to have Reform Fest, obviously that's going to be. And then you're going to, you're going to have. And your mentee is going to be there. He's going to be finishing up. He's going to be finishing. He's going to be the final speaker on Sunday. And of course, I mean, J.D. vance, there was a bit of an inside joke. Well, it's not an inside. It's been published, but an unfortunate headline about your relationship with J.D. vance, Vice President.

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J.D.

[Andrew Colvett]

Vance, who's amazing. He's gonna be, we're grateful to have him on the, on the Sunday.

[Dr. James Orr]

So it'll be a great, great climax to a fantastic event.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it's truly, truly gonna be something. And you'll see the rowdiness and the different ideas and the different factions and facets of the conservative movement. But this is what it's all about, bringing everybody together. And let's have the debates, but let's be unified and let's, let's kick off our, our push into 2026 on a high note. And that would, there's no better way to do that than to remember the incredible legacy of Charlie Kirk. And so we're looking forward to it. It's going to be bittersweet, but it Charlie would want us to make the most of it. Thank you Dr. Orr.

[Dr. James Orr]

Great to be with you both.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll see you tomorrow.

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