The Charlie Kirk Show, December 23, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — December 23, 2025

Real America’s Voice | Host: Andrew Colvett (filling in for Charlie Kirk)

Overview

This special episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, the last before Christmas, sees Andrew Colvett and Blake Neff at the helm, joined by a slate of regular and guest commentators including Jack Posobiec, Sean Davis, Stephen Moore, and Batya Ungar Sargon. With Charlie Kirk absent (and memorialized throughout the episode), the show focuses on key conservative conversations: reaction to the new Jeffrey Epstein document releases, coalition-building and free speech within the conservative movement, the fallout from AmericaFest (AmFest), debates on policy and party purity, foreign policy rifts—especially regarding Israel—and economic news under the Trump administration. The tone is reflective and at times festive, balancing heavy political discussion with lighter holiday banter.

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Main Themes

• Charlie Kirk’s Legacy: Movement Building and Free Speech
• Epstein Files: What’s in the New DOJ Releases?
• Intra-Movement Disagreement: Party Unity vs. Purity
• Foreign Policy Factions and the Israel Debate
• Trump Administration Economic News
• Community, Family, and Christmas Traditions

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Detailed Breakdown & Timestamps

1. Remembering Charlie Kirk and the DNA of Turning Point USA

[03:03 – 04:49]

• Core Beliefs: Multiple voices reflect on Kirk’s approach, emphasizing debate, free inquiry, and Christian-rooted respect for individual autonomy.

  • “Charlie's love for debate will always be the DNA of Turning Point USA. We believe in debate because we believe in truth.” — Batya Ungar Sargon [03:03]
  • “What is harder is to build, to refine, to assuage, to unite, and to advance.” — Sean Davis [03:37]
  • “He built this movement so people could feel brave and to be brave with action.” — Batya Ungar Sargon [03:45]

• Family, Faith, and Legacy:

  • Kirk’s life is held up as a model for movement conservatism, focusing on the strength of family and faith.
  • “To the men and women of ICE, to the men and women of the United States Border Patrol, I love each and every one of you. I will have your six until the day I die.” — Stephen Moore [05:36]

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2. The Epstein Files: New Revelations and Continuing Mysteries

[13:32 – 19:47]

• Context: Jack Posobiec explains ongoing DOJ document releases related to Jeffrey Epstein; documents are heavily redacted but include incriminating photos, emails, and evidence.

• Main Discoveries:

  • Numerous disturbing photos linked to Bill Clinton and Epstein.
  • No smoking gun evidence against Trump; mentions Trump traveled with family, not to Epstein’s island.
  • Documents suggest deeper international ties, including a fake Austrian passport, contacts with Prince Andrew, and suspicious business connections.

  Notable quote:

  “These photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make me sick... there are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton—in a hot tub, on planes, at parties. What you’re not finding are images of Donald Trump in a hot tub.” — Jack Posobiec [13:32]

• Trump’s Reaction (clip):

  “I don’t like the pictures of Bill Clinton being shown... I think Bill Clinton’s a big boy, he can handle it... But you’ll end up because of guys like Massie, who’s a real low life... This whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has.” — Donald Trump via Stephen Moore [17:28]

• Debate over Evidence:

  • Blake Neff and Jack Posobiec discuss the difficulty in separating guilt by association from actual proof.
  • Redactions frustrate calls for full accountability.
  • “If the DOJ has this evidence, then we should put it out or at least make it available to any of the victims should they want to sue... You investigate the crimes. You don’t make the victim have to investigate themselves.” — Jack Posobiec [29:57]

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3. AmFest Fallout: Coalition Building, Online Outrage, and the Purity Debate

[38:29 – 48:30]

• The Ecumenical Right:

  • Sean Davis and Blake Neff highlight TPUSA’s “big tent” approach, inviting disagreement to promote coalition rather than ideological purity.
  • “We don’t have to always agree on everything... The point here is to build a coalition that can win elections and then do what needs to be done to save our country.” — Sean Davis [39:17]

• Demand for Disavowals:

  • Online and activist calls for denouncing, “canceling,” or excommunicating controversial voices grow, especially post-AmFest.
  • Ben Shapiro’s criticism put under a microscope. Debate on how to handle “bad actors” without fragmenting the movement.
  • “Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably so. He hated what he called moral blackmail.” — Blake Neff [41:27]

• Real-world vs. Online Divide:

  • A distinction is drawn between social media outrage and in-person coalition sentiment: “X isn’t real life, but it can be reflective of it... It’s really important to be talking to people who are not political obsessives.” — Sean Davis [44:20]

• JD Vance on Inclusion vs. Purity (highlighted speech):

  “President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests... every American is invited.” — JD Vance (via Andrew Colvett) [46:59]

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4. The Foreign Policy Rift: Israel, Ukraine, and the Weaponization of Loyalty

[53:03 – 59:58]

• Foreign Policy as Proxy War:

  • Foreign policy, especially on Israel and Ukraine, seen as a deeper dividing line than most cultural or economic issues.
  • “JD is not an interventionist. He’s not a neocon... When people go after him, it’s really a proxy battle over foreign policy.” — Sean Davis [48:30]

• 'Moral Blackmail' and Jewish Inclusion:

  • Batya Ungar Sargon and Andrew Colvett tackle accusations of “moral blackmail” from pro-Israel voices, and both the difficulty and necessity of maintaining space for healthy disagreement without sliding into antisemitism or isolation.

  • “There have been podcasters out there who have been saying things that make me, as an American and as a Jew, feel like I’m questioning whether this movement wants me. Platforming people who think that Hitler was not the villain of World War II...” — Batya Ungar Sargon [103:11]

  • “Does that... if somebody allows that to determine whether they interview Holocaust survivors... is an excuse to become antisemitic, I think is not a morally serious person.” — Batya Ungar Sargon [116:29]

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5. Economic News: Surging GDP, Inflation, Housing, and Trump’s Agenda

[70:44 – 91:25]

• Strong GDP Numbers:

  • 2025 Q3 GDP growth of 4.3% praised as “a really good number.”
  • Stephen Moore: “Once you get above three and a half percent economic growth, then the economy grows faster than the debt grows... I’m super bullish on this US economy.” [71:18]
  • Discussion of why public perception (“vibecession”) lags the positive data—possible generational factors, cost of living, and housing.

• Housing Affordability Debate:

  • Blame shared between overregulation, property taxes, and increased demand; immigration’s role debated.
  • “The real issue is states and localities around the country have put in all sorts of restrictions on building new housing. If you don’t have an increase in supply, then the price goes up.” — Stephen Moore [76:07]

• Economic Forecasts, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and Tariffs:

  • Persistent underestimation of Trump-era economic gains attributed to ideological bias and outdated models.
  • “Trump Derangement Syndrome is a pathological disorder in this country. It changes perceptions of what’s happening in the economy, especially among academics and professional economists...” — Stephen Moore [79:03]
  • Quick discussion of tariffs and US leverage in the global market.

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6. Lighter Segments: Christmas Movies & Traditions

[53:03 – 56:49]

• The hosts and guests name their favorite Christmas movies, debating whether Die Hard deserves the title. Answers range from A Christmas Story (Sean Davis) to It’s a Wonderful Life (Andrew Colvett), to Love, Actually (Stephen Moore, Batya Ungar Sargon).

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7. Closing Reflections and Holiday Spirit

[120:19 – End]

• Blake Neff closes with “Do You Hear What I Hear?” highlighting the inclusive, peace-seeking spirit at Christmas.
  • “Do you hear what I hear? The music was by a Jewish-born woman, but it’s a lovely Christmas song, as are many good Christmas songs... We’ll have a good Christmas episode for everyone tomorrow. We’ll see you then.” — Blake Neff [120:04]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the Epstein Files:

  • “These photos that are released are absolutely disgusting... a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton—in a hot tub... What you’re not finding are images of Donald Trump in a hot tub.” — Jack Posobiec [13:32]

• On Conservative Coalition:

  • “If you are rowing with us... there’s a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement.” — Sean Davis [44:20]

• On AmFest Disputes:

  • “Charlie... hated what he called moral blackmail. That was the line he used.” — Blake Neff [41:27]

• On Foreign Policy Factionalism:

  • “It’s kind of the covid nannying, taken to a foreign policy extent... there are people who really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it.” — Sean Davis [57:31]

• Batya on Seriousness:

  • “If anyone is telling you that is an excuse to become antisemitic, I think is not a morally serious person. That is a person who is not answering to their God.” — Batya Ungar Sargon [116:29]

• End Note:

  • “This Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to Earth. He’s God and we are not Him. So that’s our message to all the godlike-complex folks.” — Andrew Colvett [59:58]

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Segment Timestamps (Approximate)

• Remembering Charlie Kirk: [03:03]
• Epstein Files Deep Dive: [13:32–19:47]
• AmFest & ‘Purity’ Fallout: [38:29–48:30]
• JD Vance on Inclusion: [46:43]
• Foreign Policy Rift: [53:03–59:58]
• Economic News: [70:44–91:25]
• Christmas Movie Banter: [53:03–56:49]
• Batya on Israel, Coalition: [98:16–119:27]
• Closing & Music: [120:04–End]

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Summary Conclusion

This episode delivered an unfiltered, frank discussion representative of the show’s spirit—balancing tributes to Charlie Kirk’s legacy with policy analysis, internal debate, and ideological tension in the conservative movement. The dynamics around the Epstein files, AmFest’s handling of dissent, coalition-building versus purity tests, and the evolving right-left divide on foreign policy offer a clear window into conservative thought in 2025. Personal stories, Christmas traditions, and moments of levity provided needed warmth and unity—fitting for the season and for the movement’s ongoing evolution.

Transcript

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Andrew Colvett]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Charlie's love for debate will always be the DNA of Turning Point usa. We believe in debate because we believe in truth.

[Andrew Colvett]

Everyone and his mother has an opinion. It is not hard to have an opinion. It is not hard to pick fights, to accuse, to gossip, to defame and to revile. In our age, it can be very lucrative.

[Sean Davis]

What's more, it can be entertaining.

[Andrew Colvett]

What is harder is to build, to.

[Sean Davis]

Refine, to assuage, to unite, and to advance.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie did the harder thing.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

My husband didn't build this movement so people could feel comfortable. He built this movement so people could feel brave and to be brave with action.

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I really believe that the best way.

[Andrew Colvett]

To judge a goodness of a man is to see the goodness of his.

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Wife and his children.

[Andrew Colvett]

And on that measure, Charlie was unsurpassed.

[Jack Posobec]

Erica, who I just saw backstage and whom I love and who I can tell you is totally committed to continuing the core principle of Charlie's public life.

[Andrew Colvett]

Life, which is the right of every person to express what he believes. That is rooted in Christian faith. We believe people should be able to.

[Jack Posobec]

Say what they think because they have souls.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I've performed for crowd, huge crowds all around the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

And no matter how many songs I.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Do on that stage, it didn't mean as much as much as this, because.

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This is a direct link for younger people.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

This is a direct link between young people and God.

[Stephen Moore]

I don't know about you, but When.

[Andrew Colvett]

I voted November 5, 2024, I voted for closed borders. I voted for affordable groceries.

[Stephen Moore]

I voted for lower gas prices.

[Andrew Colvett]

I voted for no more censorship. I voted for no more men and women's sports. You got to remember, a strong border means strong national security.

[Stephen Moore]

We have to know who's coming in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Who'S going out, all that thing. Well, let me end with this.

[Stephen Moore]

My time is up.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, let me end with this. To the men and women of ice. To the men and women of the.

[Stephen Moore]

United States Border Patrol, I love each and every one of you. I will have your six until the day I die. Charlie Kirk wasn't Nick Fuentes, not even close. Charlie was about having conversations, addressing reality, opening up dialogue on college campuses.

[Andrew Colvett]

He made a point of resisting the more extreme elements on the right. He called people out when they got out of line. The gripers, the people who crossed into actual anti Semitism. You cannot tell another human being to.

[Jack Posobec]

Shut up, even shut up, racist, because.

[Andrew Colvett]

You don't own him.

[Jack Posobec]

He is an independent, autonomous person created by God. As an individual.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, so that's where that belief comes from. That's where free speech comes from. And there's no accident. This is the only country in the world that protects it.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Charlie wasn't just a speaker. He wasn't just a political thinker. He wasn't just a thought leader. Again, he was a bridge. He was a pathway. He was a connection point to generations. He was a pathway and connection point to communication, to inner politics. And he also looked at a generation that has been mocked, that has been dismissed, that has been discouraged, and told them, you matter, Your ideas matter, your decisions matter.

[Andrew Colvett]

I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to deplatform. And I don't really care if some people out there, I'm sure will have the fake news media denounce me after this speech. But let me just say the best way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in life. He invited all of us here.

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Every day, there's a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle. With the will to deceive.

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Fear.

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This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett]

Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's the last show before Christmas. I'm your host for today, Andrew Colvett, joined by Blake Neff, who's in the studio.

[Blake Neff]

What are you wearing, Andrew?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, I'm wearing. The dude abides. Yes. Yes. You got a sweater on. Blake, you do not have a sweater on because I forgot to tell you that I was wearing my ugly Christmas sweater today.

[Blake Neff]

I don't think I even own a sweater. I live in Phoenix.

[Jack Posobec]

Blake, you literally didn't get the Christmas water memo. I don't understand what's going on here.

[Blake Neff]

No.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, this is gonna pick at a. At a larger scab about Andrew's terrible communication internally. So I, you know, listen, it was just. It was just a vibe that I felt this morning. You know, my kids were all, like, still in their jammies. Their Christmas jammies as they go.

[Jack Posobec]

So are you wearing pajamas bottoms right now? Don't tell us.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, I'm not.

[Jack Posobec]

I'm wearing.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm wearing jeans. I'm wearing jeans. Thankfully.

[Jack Posobec]

Although Charlie, Two lies and the truth.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie used to. Blake can attest. Charlie used to always come into the studio with the. He would have, you know, business on the top and then shorts on the bottom. Yeah.

[Jack Posobec]

Basketball shorts.

[Blake Neff]

100% true.

[Andrew Colvett]

That was. Yeah, that and the long socks, because they were good for circulation, for talking for the Circulation.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah, they were the vascular.

[Andrew Colvett]

Vascular socks. That's right.

[Blake Neff]

I wore those socks on because he advertises so much. I wore them, I think when I had to fly to Korea. It was like a 15 hour flight and I wore them and I think I was about nine hours in and I just said, I can't take this anymore. And I rolled them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Good for airplanes, though. No, it is, it's good for airplanes. Listen, so we've got a jam packed show. We figured let's just throw the kitchen sink at it today and we're gonna have a lot of guests. So we've starting off with Jack Posobic, host of Human Events Daily. We're going to talk Epstein because with all the craziness around AM Fest and just kind of processing AM Fest and our straw poll, we have not, I mean, I personally, I have not had a chance to really dive in. So Jack's going to be our, our expert on that and kind of give us the updates on that. I saw that there's a third tranche of files from the DOJ following the passage of that law. Then we're have Sean Davis, he's going to talk about the family business that was on full display at Amfest. And then we've got Stephen Moore who's going to talk about economics and the great GDP news that came out this morning. And then we're going to finish with Batya Ungar Sargon, she's now a News Nation anchor. And I'm going to try and convince her that J.D. vance is the man and she's got her skepticism. So we're going to talk through that. So Jack, without further ado, just 30,000 foot view for us. What's going on with Epstein? How did we get here? What have we learned?

[Jack Posobec]

Okay, so this is the response to that legislation that was passed by the House a while back. It was a bipartisan piece of legislation regarding the Epstein files, which some of us like myself have been calling for since day one of President Trump returning to the White House. And what we've got now are actual files coming out. Now what we have today, this is. So there were files released during Amfest because of course it couldn't be a turning point event without Epstein files getting released separately. And, and then now we've got more Epstein files that are being released as part of this tranche. And I believe that one of the things that's going on right now is that a lot of these files that are coming out, these are investigative files. These are things that came up as evidence. And, and there are a lot of redactions in these, some of which we're told are redactions for victims on. On personal information that people don't want out, for those who aren't being accused of a crime or people who are, like I said, victims of Epstein and of his network and potentially even underage, depending on who it is. Obviously, we can't. We can't tell in many of these cases, but there are so many more files that are coming out and also that people are saying, there have been back and forths of the doj. They said, wait a minute, you put some stuff out, then you put out this stuff and redacted. So there are people even respond. This is a very live situation where people are responding to the DOJ release legally and saying, hey, I want that redacted. Hey, I want that redacted. So that being said, what we do actually have. I'm just going to say it. These photos that are released are absolutely disgusting. They make me sick to my stomach looking at some of these. I talked about this on, on Newsmax last night, that when there were people, there have been a lot of people. So there's been this narrative that, like, okay, Epstein maybe wasn't involved in, like, really bad stuff and maybe it's all just overblown. No, no, it's actually disgusting. And there's a lot of photos. It just has to be said truthfully. There are a lot of photos of him with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton in a hot tub, him and Bill Clinton on planes, him and Bill Clinton wearing, you know, matching. Matching shirts of some kind at like, some kind of party. So again, what you're not finding are images of Donald Trump in a hot tub. And so the Democrats are sitting there going like, wait, what's, you know, what's. What's happening? Because we were told Trump would be the one in there. And yes, there were some time, there were some instances where they said, okay, we found some records of Trump flying on the plane. But what was interesting is, of course, not only did they still not find Trump. Fine, just be truthful. They did not find Trump flying to the island, but Trump was also flying on the plane with his family, so, like, with his wife and children. So again, like, not a situation where we're hopefully anything unturned.

[Andrew Colvett]

Those were. Those were mostly in the 90s, right, Jack? So. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobec]

This is way, way, way. Like we're talking 30, 30, 40 years ago in some instances. So where it's like just. Or 30 years ago. So instances where long before any of these, any of his crimes had come to life, long before. I mean the rest of the story, we've been over it so many times where he was evicted from Mar a Lago for his behavior. And then Trump actually goes to the lawyers of the victims to say, how can I help you to put this guy away? Cuz he's a bad guy. And what we're seeing again over and over are pictures of him, of Epstein, as well as some emails with Prince, or I should say former Prince Andrew. A fake passport is something that just came out, which is something that's really interesting. I mean this, this is happening all live. It was an Austrian passport. Talked about businesses in West Africa and Saudi Arabia. I mean really just a lot of, just a lot of random things that are coming out like crazy, like crazy right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Let's go ahead and get President Trump was asked about this. Let's play 191. I know there are a lot of.

[Stephen Moore]

People that are angry about all of the pictures of other people, you know, but I think it's terrible. Look, no, I don't like the pictures.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of Bill Clinton being shown.

[Stephen Moore]

I don't like the pictures of other people being shown. I think it's a terrible thing. I think Bill Clinton's a big boy, he can handle it. But you probably have pictures being exposed of other people that innocently met Jeffrey Epstein years ago, many years ago, and they're, you know, highly respected bankers and lawyers and others. And they'll end up because of guys like Massie, who's a real low life. What this whole thing is with Epstein is a way of trying to deflect from the tremendous success that the Republican Party has.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, this feels pretty consistent with Trump's original kind of objection to this, you know, and we have to remember that if they had something on Trump, it would have been weaponized by the Biden administration, you know, 10 times over. So to turn that around, if they.

[Blake Neff]

Have something on Clinton, I feel like the Trump admin would probably want to, he has a big, pretty big beef with the Clintons. Couldn't we turn that around as well?

[Andrew Colvett]

Actually Trump, Trump is saying, listen, I've always gotten along with Bill. He's been good to me, I've been good to him. I actually don't, kind of getting inside the psyche of President Trump. I actually don't think he has like a bone to pick with Bill Clinton per se. Maybe Hillary more so. But yeah, I think Trump, Trump knows a lot of these guys, kind of knows the situation that some of the innocent ones are put in. It just feels like he's being consistent. But, you know, the admin was pressured. You know, he, he takes a shot at Thomas Massie right there to be more transparent. So he's doing, he's doing what he's got to do politically. But I think he, he actually seems to be fairly disgusted with the fact.

[Jack Posobec]

That one of the people are going to get well.

[Sean Davis]

Right.

[Jack Posobec]

Before we end the segment, one thing I should mention is there is a very strange letter to Larry Nassar. Larry Nassar, who we know also went to prison and is in prison for these same type of crimes that Epstein wrote a letter to him saying, as you know by now, I have taken the short route home. Good luck. We shared one thing, our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they'd reach their full potential. And then he also, he makes a lewd reference to Trump and then he writes, life is unfair.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, Very, very fascinating. More with Jack Posovic, Human Events Daily. On the other side of this break, more revelations from the Epstein document drop. We will be right back.

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Someone will be eliminated.

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[Terrence Bates]

One of the great mysteries to me.

[Stephen Moore]

And a lot of other people is we've had reporting for some time. Donald Trump is not on Epstein's list. There's nothing in there that's really damning about Donald Trump. And as Susie Wilde says, not damning about Donald Trump according to the chief or Bill Clinton.

[Terrence Bates]

So one of the great mysteries all.

[Stephen Moore]

Along in this not been like, what's Donald Trump hiding? What did he do? Da da, da, da. It's like, why if he's not in.

[Terrence Bates]

These files, which all the reporting says.

[Stephen Moore]

He'S not, why is he so obsessed.

[Andrew Colvett]

On blocking access to the files?

[Stephen Moore]

Is he trying to protect somebody?

[Andrew Colvett]

So, I mean, what do you think, Blake?

[Blake Neff]

I guess what I would say is I feel like that's actually the case for a lot of the people in this. I'm seeing the stuff that's going viral and what a lot of this is, it's photographs of people hanging out and then they black out the faces. And that's used to create the implication there's a Super savage, sinister crime. But what you basically just have is you have Bill Clinton getting photos with people, you have Bill Gates getting photos with people, you have people having photos with Epstein. And I think it gets back to what President Trump said, which I think is reasonable. He's pointed out a lot of people met Epstein. He was a huge socialite. And when you just release a giant pile of photographs you can of someone who's become an infamous figure, you basically tar everyone by association. And I guess I would caution everyone to take a step back and think, what do we really have proof of what has actually been litigated in court? Because, for example, a lot of these cases, when they have gone to court, people have. Either they've gone to court, like Alan Dershowitz was able to sue Virginia Guthrey and she had to admit she just was lying about him, or we have cases where a lot of this has been a funny pattern that's been going on throughout the case this year, where a lot of the victims have just been saying. They've been saying, oh, release the names, release the names, but they won't name names themselves. And I think a justifiable reason for skepticism there is. They don't want to name names themselves because they actually don't have evidence. And they're basically worried about getting sued for defamation. And they wanted others to do the work for them to justify allegations that they could kind of get away with making without being as facing as much risk of actual defamation. It just. The whole thing feels very off to me.

[Andrew Colvett]

Jack, you. You're kind of a contrarian voice in this space a little bit as well. I mean, you. I mean, where. Where would you put yourself on the spectrum of, like, he was this mastermind, international pedophile ringleader with compromise on the world's leaders versus he was just kind of like a kinky, gross, disgusting, like, sex, you know, pests that was connected to a few international leaders. Maybe he was working with the CIA, Mossad, whatever, where, like, there's so many options of what the truth is here, it's hard to make sense of it.

[Jack Posobec]

Yeah, look, I see what the DOJ is putting out, but I also watch Mike Benz and all the stuff that he's putting out as well. He's very well documented, these links between Epstein and intelligence. He talks about his connections to Iran. Contrast his connections to Adnan Khashoggi, the money that was being run around. Yes, that's right. The father of Jamal Khashoggi. And so it's. It's really interesting when you look at some of this stuff and the networks that he was in, and certainly there are questions on to who was running who. Was he an asset? Was he an operative? But I really do think that there's. There's a lot more to this than I think then meets the eye. But when it comes to what Blake is saying. I can appreciate what Blake's saying because when you go to court, you absolutely need evidence and you need to be able to stand these things up on evidence. So what I would also say, though, is if the DOJ has this evidence, then we should put it out or at least make it available to any of the victims should they want to sue. And I believe that a number of the victims are getting restitution from the estate of Epstein and I think they deserve that. But if there are people out there like former Prince Andrew or others who are involved in crimes, then absolutely, you have to use the evidence.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like that's the whole point.

[Jack Posobec]

We have the government. This whole point. We have the Department of Justice. You investigate the crimes. You don't make the victim have to investigate themselves. Right. That's the point. That's why we have the government.

[Andrew Colvett]

Jack, one more question here before we gotta go. What. What do you make of this video that was circulating around yesterday? It seemed to show in the timestamp lined up with his. His suicide or murder, however you want to look at it, whether it showed him potentially committing suicide, that, that we. You checked into that. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack Posobec]

I think that ended up being a recreation. That was not an actual video. That was something that possibly was done as a creation. CGI kind of thing to say. You know, if he did it, here's a way he possibly anatomically could have done it. Possibly something they were looking at during the autopsy. Different things like that can be created when you're ongoing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, because it's. But I don't think it was in the DOJ file. It was in the G. You could actually access it online. It was very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I guess it was a recreation. Jack Bosobic, thanks for walking us through that. Lots of lots to parse through there. Human Events Daily. Check out his show every day at 2pm Eastern. Merry Christmas, Jack. Thanks for everything you're doing.

[Jack Posobec]

Merry Christmas. Big special coming up this. This Christmas break when human events regime.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll be right back.

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Terrance Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. We appreciate you being being here with us. President Trump out with plans for a new class of US Battleships, which of course marks a buildup in the US Navy. The commander in chief says the so called Trump class of battleships will be larger, faster and quote, 100 times more powerful than any previously built American warships. Meantime, President Trump also saying the US Will keep the crude oil and the tankers that have been seized near Venezuela. They were netted during the ongoing U.S. blockade in that region. We're also hearing that the administration is pursuing a third tanker after having already stopped two of them. The move is a way for the Trump administration to put pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to step down and President Trump continuing the push to make Greenland part of the United States. The latest step involved the president appointing Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry. And as special envoy to Greenland, Denmark's prime minister is criticizing the move to convert the island, saying, quote, you cannot annex another country, not even with an argument about international security. That's a quick check of your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us. Now let's get you back to THE Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk show. I'm Andrew Colvett. We are about to welcome Shaun Davis from the Federalist, the great Shaun Davis. But before I do that, we're going to tell you about our friends over at Hillsdale College. History, economics, the great works of literature. Did you study these things in school? Probably not, because our education system is in the tank. It's been captured by the Wokies and the Marxists and the civilizational arsonists. But even if you did have a good Education. It's probably time for an enjoyable refresher course on some of the great works of literature. Hillsdale College is offering more than 40 free online courses. Charlie took over 30 of them, including their newest course on totalitarian novels. It's a free eight lecture course, and in it you will learn from the Great Larry Arn, Dr. Larry Arn, as he goes in depth on four novels. 1984, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon, and that Hideous Strength. Even though these novels were written in the 1930s and 40s, they are highly relevant today as they show what a tyrannical government can do to human nature. More importantly, they show that faith, family, friends, and this country are still worth fighting for. So maybe you read them a long time ago. Maybe you've never read them. Maybe you've just heard about them and you kind of think they're intimidating. They don't have to be. Hillsdale can help make the most of them. Go right now to charlie for hillsdale.com charlie for hillsdale.com to enroll. There's no cost and it's easy to get started. Give yourself a Christmas present. Get smart this Christmas and into the new year. That's charlie for hillsdale.com to register. C H A R L I e for hillsdale.com all right, without further ado, we're going to talk some family business with Sean Davis. He is the right guy to do it because, you know, there's a lot of Johnny Come lately. There's a lot of. There's a lot of new blood in the movement, and that's a good thing. But sometimes they don't know how the. They don't know how the sausage is made. They don't know how the coalition came together in the first point, in the first part. So Sean Davis from the Federalist, one of the good guys out there, man, does he know how to tweak the left. Sean, welcome to the show.

[Sean Davis]

Thank you for having me. Merry Christmas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, I tried to get you to go to Amfest, but you were adamant that you had other plans. It's not for me to divulge what you were doing instead of coming to Amfest, but I wanted to get you. I mean, if you want to go there, it's fine with. It's fine with me. But something to do with Bambi, I don't know. But if you were on the outside looking in an Amfest, you got to see all the reactions to it, the reactions of the speeches, to the disagreements, all of these things. I wanted your help to make sense of it. Sean, what do you make of the reactions, both the good and the bad?

[Sean Davis]

Yeah, I was up in a tree stand hunting. Not Bambi, but Bambi's dad last week, which was awesome. Got him.

[Andrew Colvett]

Good for you. I saw the fruits of your labor and I'm impressed. I'm impressed.

[Sean Davis]

They're going to be delicious. I got to tell you what I've always loved about Amfest. I love the energy. I love the number of people you can get in there. Just like the logistics. Mystical feat of pulling something like that off, let alone in a year like this, really blows my mind. But the thing that I have always loved about it, about Charlie in particular, and kind of the whole TPUSA vibe, is how ecumenical it is. He will have or had people all the time where I was like, yeah, I don't really like that guy. And then there would be people who would be like, oh, yeah, that guy's awesome. And I think that's kind of what makes the movement great, is that we don't have to always agree on everything all, all the time for the same reasons. And so I like having the people up there who can disagree, who can do it respectfully. Because the whole point here is to build a coalition that can win elections and then do what needs to be done to save our country. So that's what I loved about Amfest this year in particular, after everything that's happened, is it would have been easy to just retreat in on yourself and become very kind of self referential and self focused. And instead, the focus stayed on the country and the movement and everyone who's within it. Even the people I don't agree with all the time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well said. I mean, and Blake, I wanna bring you in for this as well. I mean, there just seems to be, though this, there's a rising tide of voices that are calling for denouncing certain voice, other people that they wanna see the disavow very publicly they wanna see. You know, it just seems like we hadn't been in that. That posture. You hadn't heard as much of that tone. And all of a sudden there's a lot of voices saying, we got to disavow this, we got to say this, we got to block this. And I think a lot of it is a proxy war with JD ahead of 2028. But I'll leave it to you guys. Blake, you first. What do you make of this? I mean, because you have a little bit of sympathy, I think, for that as well, but you're much more reserved and Restrained?

[Blake Neff]

Well, I think. I think you want to. You have to divorce, I think, demands that you disavow, that you exclude someone aggressively.

[Andrew Colvett]

I.

[Blake Neff]

We know how Charlie had a lot of resistance to that, understandably so. He hated what he called moral blackmail. That was the line he used. But I don't think we saw too much of that. I think we saw a lot of people trying to characterize it that way. But I think what we saw was you. You saw an aggressive posture about how. What we should be talking about, what we should care about most, what is good or bad behavior. I think I, you know, let's just say the elephant in the room. A lot of people are reacting specifically to what Ben Shapiro said immediately after Erica spoke. And I don't think Ben was saying we need to aggressively cancel people. I think he was saying he was disappointed in how a lot of people.

[Andrew Colvett]

Had.

[Blake Neff]

Handled certain topics. And I think in response to that, many people said, oh, he's trying to cancel us. I think Ben was going about it in the way Ben does. Ben is a very blunt guy. He's going to say exactly what he means and exactly what he's angry about. And I think that's going to. Some people are going to really like that. Some people are going to find it really irritating. And that's just. That's part of his brand. That's been his brand for a decade. But I think on the ground among attendees, we saw a lot of people who, frankly, they enjoyed what Ben said and what Megan said, what Tucker said. And I think that's really how a lot of the base feels. I think the people who are getting angry enough to boot others out are kind of a pretty small slice of the coalition overall.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And they're loud online, though, right, John? I mean, that's why I wanted to get your perspective in, because to Blake's point, there was. There was people in the audience who, like, what are we fighting about? People had no idea like that. There was that. There was like a, you know, a kind of a family business fight happening. Right. And then you had people that were like, we actually did a show of hands and our members podcast room, and we said, who likes Ben's approach? And about half the hands went up. And then we're like, who likes Tucker's approach? About half the hands went up. So it was like. It was a very mixed crowd, a very mixed reception. To that and to Blake's point, I didn't hear Ben saying, we need to cancel people. Ben was just saying, you know, here. Here are My lines here are my lines in the sand. You know, take them or leave him. And, you know, he wasn't calling us to cancel people either. He was just sort of festivus for the rest of us. He was airing his grievances in a public place.

[Blake Neff]

And, you know, Charlie would appreciate that for sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we don't, we don't tell anybody what to say, actually, at these things. So you from the outside, but there is this loud contingent on X and other forums that are saying it's time to sort of excommunicate this or that or this person or that person.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Yeah.

[Sean Davis]

And I mean, that's to be expected online. This is politics. And politics is all about getting your way so that someone else who you disagree with can't get their way. So, like, that's. It's just kind of part and parcel of how politics works. Again, what I have always liked is the ecumenicalism of TPOSA and the movement in general. And like, my personal philosophy on this is if you're within the movement, define it as loosely as you like. If you're putting points on the board, if you are bringing people to the table and you're moving the ball where we need to go, I'm good with you. Even if I might disagree with you on a whole bunch of stuff. And that goes for Tucker and, and Megan and you and Ben Shapiro and Nicki Minaj or anyone else. If you are rowing with us and you're not actively trying to hurt the movement and hurt the country. There's a lot that I can tolerate of disagreement. And so I think it's good to have that. And the other thing to recognize is we're never going to agree with everyone all the time. I don't agree with my wife on everything all the time. I don't agree with my kids on everything all the time. I have debates in my own head with myself on issues back and forth. So, like, it's hard to get full agreement with people you know and love and care about a trillion percent. Imagine how much more difficult it is going to be to agree with everyone all the time. People who you don't know, with different backgrounds and different priorities. And then you talk about kind of like the online nature and there really is such a big divide. If you live your entire life on the Internet with the screen screen in front of you, you are going to have a very different perspective of where the country is than if you don't do that. And obviously Twitter or X isn't real life, but it can be reflective of it. So I don't want to dismiss the online debates because they're important and they do mean something and they represent real people. But it's really important to be out there talking to normal people, talking to people who are not online, who are not political obsessives, because as much as it may pain people like us to hear we are political obsessives, most people are not like us. They don't look at the world through the lens that we look through it. And so it's just great to have 30,000 people, especially young people, who are forming their own worldview and their own opinions and getting their perspective. And when they are out there saying the people who are there. Yeah, yeah. Half of us liked it and half of us didn't. That seems to me like you've struck a pretty good balance on how to represent the whole of the movement.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's. You're echoing so much of what JD Said in his speech. You know, I. Let's go ahead and play some, some sound from him. 125, all of you, each and every one. President Trump did not build the greatest.

[Blake Neff]

Coalition in politics by running his supporters.

[Andrew Colvett]

Through endless self defeating purity tests.

[Blake Neff]

He says, make America great again because.

[Andrew Colvett]

Every American is invited. We don't care if you're white or.

[Blake Neff]

Black, rich or poor, young or old.

[Andrew Colvett]

And he keeps going on, right? He, he made this point a lot of times. And it's not that he didn't put boundaries in the speech. I mean, he, he, he basically, he condemned anti Semitism, he condemned racism, anti white racism, anti Asian racism, and lifted up merit, merit, merit, merit. So I sort of just wonder if people, you know, if they, if he didn't straight up say, I condemn Nick Fuentes in this speech, I wonder if anybody would have been like, that crowd would have been happy. You know, he didn't have to say some people's names, which he then did.

[Blake Neff]

Condemn him by name the next day, I think.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, because he came after his wife. Right. So JD Put a big line in the sand on that, on that front. But like, listen, I think, I think the message was clear. I think 90% of people heard it. But I think there's a loud minority online that is just not going to be happy until, you know, everybody's getting like, you know, going full Ben Shapiro and taking a howitzer to everybody else in the movement. 40 seconds, Sean.

[Sean Davis]

Yeah, so I think when people are doing that, they are pretending to be mad at him about one thing. When they're actually mad about another thing. And with jd, foreign policy is the main thing. JD is not an interventionist. He's not a neocon. He's very much a realist and someone who, having been involved in America's wars personally understands that we need to be a lot more circumspective about how we get in. And so when people go after him, it's really a proxy battle over a foreign policy. And I think a lot of people, honestly, I wish they were just more honest about what the real issue is rather than trying to pretend it's something else.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well said. I want to get into that foreign policy divide in the next segment with you, Sean, so hang right there. Real quick, I want to tell you guys about our friends over at Alan Jackson Ministries. We're honored to be partnering with Pastor Alan. And today I want to point you to his podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What I love about this podcast is it's all about the Bible. It's all about bringing the Bible and the truth of scripture into the toughest issues of the day. Gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump in the White House, even issues inside the church. Nothing is off limits. They go straight for it. And then they say what you can do to make a difference by inserting your own biblical perspective, your own truth from the Bible into those hot button topics and make a real difference. Bring truth back into the public square again. That's the Culture and Christianity podcast available wherever you get your podcasts, YouTube, Spotify, anywhere else. And if you want to know more about what Alan Jackson is doing to bring biblical truth back to our culture, you can find out more about pastor [e-mail] that's a L L E N jackson.com we'll be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, we have some serious things to talk about right now. Blake and Sean, the question before you, before we bring back radio, is what is your favorite Christmas movie? And is Die Hard a Christmas movie? The eternal debate?

[Blake Neff]

Let's let Sean go first.

[Sean Davis]

So I for nostalgia's sake, I love A Christmas Story. My kids hate it. I love it. It's what I grew up watching. I will say no, Die Hard is not a Christmas movie.

[Andrew Colvett]

And the thing that perplexes me, that's.

[Sean Davis]

Fine to this day. What are they doing having a work party on Christmas Eve? That's crazy.

[Blake Neff]

It was a Christmas party. It was their Christmas party for the office. But yeah, it was way too late. It was too late. My favorite Christmas movie. First, I'll say Die Hard. Definitely not a Christmas movie. It came out in the summer. It's just a Movie set during Christmas that is not the same. And then I would say my favorite. You know, you don't hear about as much. I think I might fall back on. On Home Alone. Home Alone is a really good movie. It's got really good Christmas themes. Not just the funny stuff. The stuff with the man with his daughter, his estranged son. That stuff is really beautiful to watch as an adult. I didn't appreciate it as much as a kid. I really love that stuff. I should watch it again this Christmas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, okay. Well, I'm gonna tell the radio audience what I'm gonna be watching for the next two days when we get right back. Hang right there. All right. Welcome back. Love the Christmas tunes. I have my the dude abides Christmas sweater. Yes, that is the dude from Big Lebowski. You can judge me all you want, but the dude abides I. So we were just talking about Christmas movies. So for radio. Sorry to. Sorry to catch you up here, but I'm going to have to. Yes, Die Hard is a Christmas movie. Yes. It was released in the summer, but it was a set on Christmas Eve, man. It's like it's perfectly situated. It lives eternally. This is why every Christmas it's on the Christmas watch. Yeah. It's even the streaming.

[Blake Neff]

This is like a Gen X irony thing. Like it's funny to go haha, it's set during Christmas. It's technically a Christmas, but it's just, it is a movie set during Christmas. It doesn't have any Christmas themes about.

[Andrew Colvett]

Family or the birth of Christ. Oh, he's reuniting with his wife. I mean.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, but only in an action movie way. Like the, the lesson of Die Hard is then like you can, you can like get back with your wife by killing a bunch of terrorists. Not so like as everyone knows. You know, getting over your hang ups or something. You know, it's.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh my God. Well, listen, although I got to take you studio agrees with me and yeah, posos chiming in too. He says the lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe is a Christmas movie.

[Sean Davis]

I got to take on the irony thing.

[Jack Posobec]

That.

[Sean Davis]

That's a millennial affectation. Gen X doesn't do faux irony. That's very much a millennial thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Affect.

[Sean Davis]

Well, how dare you.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think you might be right here. So the. But my favorite Christmas movie is absolutely 100% it's a wonderful Life. And I love, I love like the 1980s. What is the 1983 Christmas Carol or something? I forget what I forget. I just, I know we have it on the. The we Bought it. So we watch it. I forget which one it is, but it was like the 1980s one and my daughter actually loves it and she's seven and it's so I like watching it with her. That's my whole plan. Everybody's like, what are you doing this Christmas? I'm watching Christmas movies. As soon as I'm done today, I'm clocking out, turning the phone off. We're doing hot cocoa and pajamas and we're watching Christmas movies. I plan to gain at least 4 lbs.

[Blake Neff]

Hot cocoa to insulate yourself from the cold 65 degree winds of Santa Barbara.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, listen, I. I'm trying to. I'm trying to stay warm. I will tell you, so. Hey, Sean, let me know what you think here. So I think a lot of these battles just started. Got to make it serious for the last three minutes we have here. A lot of these battles are just a proxy about foreign policy. Why is that issue in particular? Is it just because the military industrial complex? Is it because there's so much money involved? It's like, you know, people's tribalism on display. What. What drives the foreign policy debate when we have a whole country to govern? Why is that always such a big deal?

[Stephen Moore]

Yeah, it's such a good question.

[Sean Davis]

Obviously, I think the money involved is a big thing. You know, how many trillions of dollars did we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan? And then when those were finally wound down, it magically was transferred to like half a trillion dollars to Ukraine. Now we're suddenly talking about maybe regime change in Venezuela, which obviously would be a terrible idea. So money is a huge thing. I also think there is a very large. I don't want to say it's totally moral blackmail, but people really enjoy patting themselves on the back for being compassionate and willing to spend other people's lives and other people's money to do things which they think are mor right to do. It's kind of the COVID nannying, but taken to a foreign policy extent. Oh, I'm not doing this to help myself. I'm trying to keep you safe. I think there is a large segment of people who really, really enjoy the moralizing aspect of it. Almost like the stolen moral valor aspect of it. So I think it's that plus the money. And then also there are people who just genuinely think we need to be involved everywhere. Why are we big and powerful and why did we have this role if we're not just to go be the world police? I think there are people who legitimately believe that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And you know, Charlie used to rail against people being fixated and fascinated about, you know, foreign abstractions. It's some. I think, honestly, when you get into a position of power or political office, it's easier to sort of think about others far and away and ignore the problems right at your doorstep, because those are harder and, you know, it might reflect poorly on your own self. So, Blake, take us home. One minute left in this segment.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I think. I think Sean's exactly right. People do get. They get fixated on these big abstract thing. I think, honestly, it's almost. I think it's a lot of people who get into politics and get into government are kind of nerds and dorks, and they remember being kids and they liked the idea, oh, I'm moving these, like, big. I can move these armies. It'd be so cool if I was Alexander the Great. It'd be so cool if I was Napoleon. And then they get into government and they kind of get to fill these fantasies. That sounds like the wrong word, but it's like a mind. Yeah. God complex or just self importance. A lot of self importance. And you certainly see that in D.C. all the time. And it's really annoying and it persists forever.

[Andrew Colvett]

This Christmas season, we remember that Jesus came to Earth. He's God, and we are not Him. So that's our message to all the godlike, complex folks. Thanks, Sean. We'll see you soon.

[Blake Neff]

Merry Christmas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Merry Christmas.

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Welcome back to this Real america's VOICE news break. I'm Terrence Bates. We're nearing the end of the year, but there's still lots of work to be done on Capitol Hill. Lots of buzz around Washington about the recently released Epstein files. But once Congress does finally return to work, lawmakers will be up against the clock when it comes to funding the government and passing appropriations bills. Real America's Voice congressional correspondent Benny Ray Harmony, joining us with the very latest. Benny Ray, always good to see you. Unfortunately, there's lots of unfinished business on Capitol Hill.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Yeah, Terrence, lots of unfinished business. Now members on both sides, Democrat and Republican, before they left just last week to head home for the holidays, they are very disappointed and frustrated with the slowness of everything happening now. In November, we saw that government shutdown that lasted just around 40 days, and we are potentially nearing that exact same thing at the end of January. The appropriations bills were supposed to be the biggest thing on the agenda this December, but they ended up only being able to pass about two or three of those, the largest one being the ndaa, which funds our Defense Department, which is the biggest conversation right now with those strikes on Venezuela and things like that. I would say that was President Trump's biggest priority before the end of the year. But Terrence there's still nine appropriations bills that need to be passed in order to fund the government for next year. And if they cannot do that once they come back on January 6th back into session, we could potentially be seeing another continued resolution that will hold up for just a short term. So not a lot happened like we expected on Capitol Hill.

[Terrence Bates]

What are your sources telling you? Is the expectation that there will be another CR to keep the government funded or Democrats going to try to play hardball again and shut the government down?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Well, we were just at America Fest and I spoke to Mike Collins of Georgia, we spoke to Byron Donald and all of them in their own words believe that with the slowness of how Congress operates and the back and forth that we're seeing right now, it is most likely from their hypotheses that it will be another CR and not these fully funded bills. Because, Terrence, to put together these bills to get them to pass the House and the Senate, that takes weeks in itself. And so looking forward, we should expect that CR and not necessarily fully funding bill, but we can hope by February or March that we will have more funding set in place that will last throughout 2026 and get us into the next year.

[Terrence Bates]

Let's briefly talk about this latest release of Epstein files. Of course, there are some Congress members who are pushing for contempt charges against Pam Bondi, saying that she didn't fully follow the law and they're concerned about how quickly and how much of the files have been released. What's the buzz that you're hearing from your sources relative to this latest release and what lawmakers ultimately want?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

You know, that's a really good question because I'm hearing from Democrats and Republicans, everyone is very unhappy with this. Now. It's no surprise the Democrats are unhappy with Pambani's handling of the situation. They're unhappy with all of the admins handling of everything. But Republicans, Republicans, you know, I think we expected a lot more evidence when it came to things and it seems that there's a lot of redactions and the whole idea of this Epstein act and we reported on this late until the night of that, of that, you know, the voting of that bill was no redactions besides for the victims, no protecting of people. But plain and simple we want the information, we want the pictures and we want to see the people involved in this. And it's simply we are not getting that. And members, I think we can expect also some more conversation as to that. We're seeing a lot of pictures of Bill Clinton and a lot of stuff that people already knew about, but show us the stuff that hasn't been shown. And I think that's where a lot of Republicans and Democrats are a little frustrated as to why. Why aren't you showing this? Is there something that's being hid on either side?

[Terrence Bates]

Benny Ray, Harmony, 20 seconds. What's your prediction? Will there actually be some action taken against DOJ officials, or is it just tough talk?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I think it's just tough talk, Terrence. After, you know, being on the Hill with, you know, around White House, Capitol Hill, there's a lot of talk, not a lot of action. But we pray that through Christmas and into the new year, we do finally get some action for the American people.

[Terrence Bates]

Benny, that last question, my gift to you, was a loaded question because I think I already knew the answer, as most Americans did. Always good to see you. Merry Christmas to you and your family. Benny Ray. All right, that's going to do it for your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us.

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[Blake Neff]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Hour two is underway and President Trump got an early Christmas present with some amazing economic news that came out this morning. So here to unpack that with us is former Trump economic advisor. And now he's with Unleash Prosperity. And that's of course, Stephen Moore, longtime guest on this show and good friend of Charlie's. Stephen, welcome back to the show. On a scale of 1 to 10, how good was this news that broke this morning? 4.3 growth, Q3 for GDP.

[Stephen Moore]

It's a really good number. It's a solid number. I'd put it at 8 or a 9. Trump wants 5% growth. We're not quite there yet, although we could get there. Incidentally, once you get above three and a half percent economic growth, then the economy grows faster than the debt grows. And so the burden, you know, because I know everyone listening to the show is concerned about our, you know, massive debt. And one way of lowering that debt is to grow our way out of it. So look, I'm super bullish on this US economy. It's been a really good 2025. I don't care what the polls are showing that all of the indicators show a very strong growth year. And I think we're going to see a speed up in 2026 because a lot of people come up to me on the street and say, hey, Steve Moore, I know you helped write that big, beautiful bill. Why did I, why aren't I seeing it? And I tell people, well, because it's hasn't taken effect yet for tens of millions of Americans on January 1, when they get their first paycheck for the month of January, they're going to start to see less money withheld from their paycheck, which is exactly what Americans want to see.

[Andrew Colvett]

Awesome. Okay, well, let's play some of the reactions from the news media here. 189 third quarter numbers.

[Terrence Bates]

We're looking for 3.3. Zoom, zoom, zoom. 4.3%, 4.3%. That is a nice jump. And I know many may question data gathering, but on the surface, this would.

[Stephen Moore]

Be the strongest quarter going back to.

[Terrence Bates]

The third quarter of 2023 when it was 4.7. This is strong. 3.5 on consumption blows away the 2.7 we were expecting. That would be the best since last quarter of 24 on the price index. Here's some not good news. 3.8% on the price index. That's much higher than 2.7 we were looking for.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so we hit the first part, you know, where we, we beat the GDP forecast by, by over a point potentially. But what's it, what is he talking about with this price index, Steve?

[Stephen Moore]

Well, I'm not exactly sure, quite honestly, because we got a really blockbuster number on, on inflation earlier the week or late last week, I guess it was, where the inflation rate fell to 2.7%. And if you like, at the last look at the last couple of months, inflation is headed down to 2% or less. And as you know, the Fed target rate, which is the rate we should shoot at, is about 2% inflation. So we're headed in that direction. I think the numbers just look overall really strong right now to me. I don't quite understand why if you look at the opinion polls, about half Americans think the economy is not doing well and even more so. And I don't get that because it is, you know, it is. Well, now a lot of people just say it's doing poorly because they hate Trump. Right. You know, you get 40% of Americans, no matter how good things are, they're going to say things are bad. But it's going to be harder and harder. In my opinion, as we move into 2026 and these good numbers continue to roll in, it's harder for the left to sustain that narrative that it's not a good economy.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I think they're calling it, the line I've seen is calling it the Vibe session. It's the numbers seem good, but the sense of among a lot of people is it's bad. Could it be specifically that the situation is very tough for young people just entering the workforce? I know the, the hiring for entry level jobs this year was very rough for people just out of college. Is that diverging More than usual from the fate of other workers in the economy.

[Stephen Moore]

Well, let me say a couple of things about that. I'm smiling when you say that because I graduated from College in late 1982, so I'm an old fart. You know, I'm a baby boomer. Just to put these things in perspective, when I graduated from college, the inflation rate was not 3%, it was 9%. The, the unemployment rate was not, you know, 4%, it was 8%. And the mortgage rate was not 5%, it was like 14%. So for young people to say, oh, gee, this isn't a very good economy, they don't, they can't put this in any kind of perspective Now. I think the one thing that, where I would like to see improvement on is on the housing front because I have two sons that are in their early 30s and they're doing fine with their careers, but they cannot afford to buy a house. And that's a result of a lot of things we could get into it. But it is true that housing is very expensive right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

So what, what, what is driving that then, Stephen? The housing market. If you talk to J.D. vance, if you listen to what he's saying, he's saying it's a supply and demand issue. We've just been letting in too many people, the foreign population's too high, illegals, that sort of thing. Is that, is that really what's driving it? Is there are other core drivers of the housing affordability issue?

[Stephen Moore]

No, I don't think it's kind of scapegoating to say it's due to immigrants, because actually immigrants build housing. They don't just, they don't just take up housing. I think the real issue here is a couple things. One is states and localities around the country have put in all sorts of restrictions on building new housing. And so, you know, if you don't have an increase in supply, then the price of something is going to go up. So we've got to get rid of these restrictions. Restrictions in, in so many, and in fact, in many of the blue cities and suburbs, you can't build new housing. And that's a big problem. The other thing that is going on here is that people are locked into their homes. So we charge a capital gains tax if you sell your home and you make a, if you buy, if you sell the home for more than you bought it for. Well, that's almost all Americans because the value of housing has been going up. And so what people do to avoid paying that very, very significant tax is they don't sell their home. So people are locked into their houses. So what I propose to Donald Trump is get rid of the capital gains tax on housing when it's sold. And if you do that, you'll have an increase in supply and prices will come down.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I got to take issue just a little bit. It is a supply and demand issue. And if we have more people in the country than, you know, I get that a lot of the laborers that are building houses are immigrants. But. But I mean, they are going to have to live somewhere. So there is a dynamic there that.

[Stephen Moore]

Yeah, but we've been taking, you know, for the last 30 years, we've taken tens of millions of immigrants in, and housing has actually been a low cost. So there's. But look, I take your point. You know, Biden let in, we don't know exactly how many. A lot of illegal immigrants. I'm very pro legal immigration, but I'm very much against the illegal immigration. And so I think you have a point there.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, fair enough. All right, so let's. This is Kevin Hassett. Charlie loved Kevin Hassett because it was like this breath of fresh air and optimism when he would come on the show. Let's hear what he's having to say. 193, President Trump's trade agenda is working. And so we got about one and a half percent of the growth on.

[Sean Davis]

4.3 because we reduced the trade deficit.

[Andrew Colvett]

We went back and we looked at.

[Sean Davis]

Every Bloomberg forecast for the main numbers since September and found that on average, we outperformed the forecasts 94% of the time. So if 94% of Wall street economists are getting the macro trends wrong, they need to start to think about, hey, you know, maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought.

[Andrew Colvett]

And maybe the fake news that says.

[Sean Davis]

All these terrible things about Trump policies.

[Andrew Colvett]

Should reconsider and, you know, get grab their pencil and redo their economics. So, you know, Stephen, it begs the question, I have two questions for you, and we get one in this side of the break, and then we'll have you back on for the next segment. But yeah, you know, why do they get. So why are these economic economists getting so much wrong? Is it just TDS or. And then I want to talk about tariffs, you know, because that seems to be the big hot button question. You could take it in whatever order you want, Stephen.

[Stephen Moore]

So, yeah, it's absolutely true that Trump derangement syndrome is a pathological disorder in this country. And it does judge, it does change people's perceptions of what's happening in the economy, especially academics and professional economists who keep low balling the numbers and they keep getting them wrong. You know, as my friend Kevin Hasset just said, 94% of the time, they're wrong. Maybe they should start thinking that their assessments and their mottos are completely off base. They got the inflation numbers wrong. They got the job numbers wrong. They got the trade deficit numbers wrong. In fact, I'm writing a column on this right now as we speak about, you know, these professional economists probably should turn their PhDs back in and say we don't know what we're talking about because they are consistently wrong.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think economists are simply struggling to catch up with the new paradigm and they underestimate the amount of leverage America has as the market that everybody wants to, you know, play into and sell into. But, but, you know, Trump's flipping the economic models on their heads. So. More with Stephen Moore on the other side of this break. Unleash prosperity. Former Trump economist We'll be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Stephen Moore]

Oh, love actually is one of my favorite modern ones. And then. And then I'd have to go with Miracle on 34th Street.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, wow, you just got an email endorsing that one.

[Andrew Colvett]

34Th Street.

[Stephen Moore]

You guys are so young. You probably never even seen it.

[Blake Neff]

I saw the remake. They did a 90s remake, and that's what I.

[Stephen Moore]

You got a little look at the old. With the old one.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I've seen it. I've seen it. Might. See, I grew up in a house that was full of, like, John Wayne movies and World War II movies and the black.

[Blake Neff]

We got one. We got a. Caleb said their favorite was Muppets Christmas Carol. I. I need to see that one. I don't think I ever have.

[Andrew Colvett]

See, I like the old school. Like the English. Like, the more English and, like, you know, gloomy, the better. All right, we'll be right back. One. Foreign. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Yes. Loving the Christmas Christmas songs today. Good job, studio. So, you know, let's. Let's deal with this tariff question one last time here or. Blake, you've got a. Yeah, yeah, no.

[Stephen Moore]

Yeah, we've got it.

[Blake Neff]

We got an email from someone, I think, on the Vibe session topic, why are people downbeat? And he says, it's food. Stephen, go to the grocery store and tell me the economy is great. Okay, Biden. Oh, get in the. Get in. What's your response to that?

[Stephen Moore]

Yeah, yeah, no, look, I get that all the time, even from my wife. My wife says, wait, you know, she goes to the grocery store, she comes back really angry about, you know, the price of steak used to cost, you know, $12, and now it's 20, $25. So I get it. I feel your pain, folks. But if you look overall at the economy, by the way, beef prices are way up. Guess what? Pork chops are way down in price. There's a lot of things. Cell phones are down in price. Airline airlines are down in price. Motels and hotels are down in price. Televisions are down in price. So overall, the inflation rate is headed in the right direction. But I understand people are angry when they come back from the grocery store. And I can tell you this, though, that, that we're going to start to see declining grocery prices as not declining prices. But this is the other thing. Trump keeps Saying I'm going to bring prices down. What he meant to say is I'm going to bring the rate of inflation down. We don't want to see deflation that's even worse for the economy than inflation. We want to stabilize the prices, as my friend Steve Forbes would say, and create a star, a sound, stable dollar. And that's exactly what Trump is doing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we are seeing energy prices drop.

[Stephen Moore]

Oh yeah, gasoline. Amazing.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, gas is under $3 a day. Yeah, yeah. There's a, I think in Cincinnati, it's at like 250 a gallon. What might be one of the lower parts of the country, Kentucky, by the.

[Stephen Moore]

Way, you know what state has the highest gas price?

[Andrew Colvett]

California.

[Stephen Moore]

Yeah, like five bucks a gallon there.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that, but you know, like, it's very structural. California has, you basically can only refine fuel for cars over here and they won't build new refineries. And so, you know, it's a whole issue. Yeah, but there's a serious point, but.

[Stephen Moore]

There'S a serious point here. If you look at the 10 states that have the highest cost of living, nine of them are blue states because liberal Democrats cause shortages of everything because of their stupid policies. High taxes, high regulations, and therefore the price rises. So if you want lower prices, folks, move to a red state like Florida, like Texas, like Alabama, like Utah. That's where prices are low.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, I mean, listen, I, I'm sympathetic to people that want to stay in their home in the blue states. Right. We don't have people having to leave the, the locusts that keep infiltrating. Blake, you had one more question on, on that or did I?

[Blake Neff]

Oh, no, no, no. It was just that one there.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh.

[Blake Neff]

I guess we could ask him what he thinks of the, on housing, what he thinks of like 50 year mortgage topics or whatever. There's, there's various things.

[Stephen Moore]

I don't like that. I'm not a big fan of that. I, I think, you know, you know, stretching out the mortgage is, is a, is a, is a dumb thing to do. Look, Hart is in the right place on that. But the best way to bring the price of housing down is to bring the mortgage rate down. And the way you bring the mortgage rate down is bring the inflation rate down, which Trump is doing. Mortgage rates will continue to fall as prices stabilize.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Hey, real quick, we have two minutes left here. Stephen, you were, you knew Charlie for a long time. When did you first meet Charlie? Kirk.

[Stephen Moore]

So, I mean, I was thinking about that. The Other day. And you know, he, he, I met him when he, way before you guys did. I think he was 18 or 19 years old, really just getting started. And my friend Gary Rabine, who was very close to Charlie, had a event with Charlie and I think he was just starting, I think, as I said, just, just, you know, about 18 or 19 years old. And I remember this, who is this body nosed kid? You know, he, you know, he was very ambitious. And I don't say that in a negative way, in a positive way. He knew what he wanted to do, he knew he wanted to be a leader. And what he started doing is like reading out Laugher, reading Larry Kudlow, reading Steve Moore and educating him. And by the way, you can educate yourself way more by reading the stuff that we write than the crap that they, they teach in college on economics. Because most of it is wrong. That's the reason 94% of the professional economists got it wrong. But he, you know, I just saw his evolution over the next 12, 11 or 12 years and every time I saw him, he just got better and better and better and better. And boy, I mean it's just such a sad thing because I really believe Charlie Kirk was on path to someday be president United States. I really believe that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And you guys, I, I'll never. One of my kind of lasting memories of this show with Charlie at the helm was every time you'd come on Stephen, we'd have this, this whole topic prepped and it would be, you know, we're Charlie, we're going to talk about this and this economic new number came in and what Trump's going to do or whatever. And then you guys are just like talk about Chicago the whole time.

[Stephen Moore]

Well, he and I both love the Chicago. By the way, how about those Bears? They, they pulled up a miracle in Soldiers Field on this weekend. So we're proud.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, I know. The same night, Stephen, it was the, the Bears won in that overtime game against the packers and don't remind me.

[Stephen Moore]

Well, you know what? That really was a miracle. The odds of the Bears winning that game with 2 minutes left was 1 in 200. 1 in 200 miracles really can't happen.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a Christmas miracle. Stephen Moore, thank you from Unleash Prosperity. Thank you, my friend. Merry Christmas. We'll be right back. Well, way up north where the air gets cold.

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[Terrence Bates]

Terrence Bates here with your real America's Voice news. We appreciate you being here with us. President Trump out with plans for a new class of US Battleships, which of course marks a buildup in the US Navy. The commander in chief says the so called Trump class of battleships will be larger, faster and quote, 100 times more powerful than any previously built American warships. Meantime, President Trump also saying the US Will keep the crude oil and the tankers that have been seized near Venezuela. They were netted during the ongoing U.S. blockade in that region. We're also hearing that the administration is pursuing a third tanker after having already stopped two of them. The move is a way for the Trump administration to put pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro to step down and President Trump continuing the push to make Greenland part of the United States. The latest step involved the president appointing Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry as special envoy to Greenland. Denmark's prime minister is criticizing the move to convert the island, saying, quote, you cannot annex another country, not even with an argument about international security. That's a quick check of your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us. Now let's get you back to the Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Just about to bring in Batya Ungar Sargon from News Nation in just one second. I'm very excited about the conversation we're about to have. But first I want to tell you about our friends over at TikTok. Good conversation is about respect. It's how we create a space where people are able to share their ideas and be heard. And Charlie understood that. Turning Point understands that. And TikTok has strived to be a place where that kind of respectful conversation can thrive, where curiosity fuels connection. When ideas meet respect, good things can happen. On TikTok, you can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of us wouldn't even know the name of. Or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Viewers who listen and then they respond. TikTok turns connection into community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the connections and the thank you from a stranger halfway across the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the door for discussion and discussion helps us build something real. Portions of the Charlie Kirk show are brought to you in part by TikTok. All right, next up here is Bhatia Ungar Sargon. She is the host of Bhatia with an exclamation mark on News Nation. Bhatia, you have. We were talking on the phone. You've been watching everything that happened at Amfest from afar. And you, you know, you were so complimentary to me and to Turning Point about the event because I think maybe you were surprised by it a little bit. You were a little nervous, a little trepidation going in when you saw the speaker list. And then tell us what your 30,000 foot view. What was the vibe for you watching from afar?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

First of all, thank you so much for having me, Andrew. I have to say I'm like unexpectedly getting a little bit emotional because it's my first time on since Charlie was taking. Yeah, he meant so much to me. Actually, there's a woman on my street whose car has. We live in Brooklyn, South Brooklyn, so it's, you know, not, you know, hipster Brooklyn, but her car is just festooned with stickers about Charlie. And I was literally staking out the car because I didn't know whose it belonged to. And I just wanted to thank her. And the first time I saw her getting out of the car, I just. Just ran overturn. We just had the most amazing conversation about what he meant to this country. And so thank you so much for having me. I think about him every single day. I thought that the America fest you put on was incredible. Incredible. It was so important because you allowed the debate to be aired. And I think we get really attached to our positions in this country and then we get really attached to the idea that, you know, we have to convince people that we're right and we forget that. The most important thing is I think what Charlie really stood for, which was the view that more unites us than divides us as Americans and that you have to have the conversation you have to trust your fellow Americans, and you have to bring that love that he had, even to people that don't agree with you. I think, like, that is the thing that we really lost was that spectacle of him going to those college campuses and talking to people whose views I know he thought were bad and wrong and dangerous. But you could still see the love that he brought to them. And that's my New Year's resolution, is to be more like that even. Especially when I'm talking about the things that matter to me the most. And I just felt that you really, you and Erica made that happen. You aired the debate and everybody could see it for themselves. And because this is the greatest country on Earth and the American people are the most incredible people on planet Earth, it reminded me to just trust that process of seeing the debate and hearing the debate and listening to both sides. So I just. I watched every minute of it. I was glued to it. And. And I'm so proud of you. And just, again, like, to see Charlie's legacy being carried on in such a fulsome way was really moving to me and really powerful.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wow. Well, thank you. Thank you for saying that, Bhatia. It means a lot. And I know Blake's in studio there in Phoenix, and, you know, we both sort of watched everything play out. We saw the online chatter, and, you know, the elephant in the room is. Is sort of this foreign policy debate, the Israel debate, but also this debate. Ben kind of kicked things off on night one, calling out some of the people that he had grievances with, and then they ended up taking the stage later, some of them at least, and kind of throwing it back. So like you said, it was this debate, this airing of Family Business, as Erica called it. But then we led up to Blake. Feel free if you wanna chime in on that point before I move on, because I do have a question for Bhatia.

[Blake Neff]

No, no, let's get into it. Let's get into it.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so you on your show had some. Some words for. I mean, directed at J.D. vance. And I want to give you a chance to kind of talk about that. Let's go ahead and play 209.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

For those already anointing the vice president as the GOP nominee for 2028, you might want to slow your role. Leadership is about having principle and standing up for them, no matter the blowback, not being afraid of offending actual Nazis.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, so that seems to be the cliff. The cliff. I see you smiling there. So I am obviously team JD I think he's an amazing leader. I thought his speech at Amfest was morally clear. He condemned anti Semitism, he condemned racism, dei, anti white racism, anti Asian racism. And it felt like to me being there, it was kind of like, dad's in the room. Settle down, kids. Here's the North Star. Here's where we're going. You, you, we. By the way, we certainly are not trying to anoint JD Vance anything. It was sort of this, if you're in Turning Point circles, Charlie was talking about that we have JD's back a thousand percent and he hopes he runs. And if he runs, we've got his back. You know, so it was kind of this thing that's been said out loud 48 times. I think Erica was just kind of like, let's just say it out loud, you know, let's just do it here. But from your perspective, why did you say what you said? And you know, what is it going to take to kind of get you to come around on the jd? JD Vance conversation?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I want to believe. I'm so honored to be able to have this conversation with you. Like, you have no idea what it means to me to be here with you in the room on so many issues. I think JD is spot on. You know, my top issues, I would say, is I think what President Trump represented, which was being pro worker, pro labor, the dignity of working class Americans is my number one issue, which entails getting to immigration zero right away for as long as it takes in order to make sure that Americans have access to the American dream before we start giving it to everybody else. On foreign policy, I'm aware that I guess the 50% of the turning Point straw poll was I see Israel as a gift, a great ally among great allies. Our interests are frequently aligned, but not always. Sometimes the Israelis, I think, overstep. And I've been glad to see President Trump have a really strong idea of when our interests are aligned and when they diverge and choosing American interests when he needs to. So on all of that stuff, I feel like very much on the same page. Certainly don't wanna go back to the Rhino pre Trump version of the gop. I think that would be a huge mistake and a huge betrayal of the American working class, which is like where my allegiances lie as a Jewish American. But I will say that I think there have been podcasters out there who have been saying things that make me, as an American and as a Jew, feel like I'm questioning whether this movement wants me. For example, platforming people who think that Hitler was not the villain of World War II. That's just gonna make every Jewish person like somebody, a podcaster. Agreeing with that point of view, the way that Tucker Carlson seemed to, is gonna make every Jewish person feel like, wait a minute, is that actually a question? And so when JD Says, well, I'm close to Tucker Carlson, I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I'm not gonna be clear about what those things are, that leaves people thinking, well, is that one of the things or not?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And Blake, I wanna get you in on, because you obviously have a really long converse relationship with, with Tucker. But I want to show that you mentioned the straw poll. Go ahead and throw a 178 up on the screen. It shows 53.4% consider Israel an ally. 33.3% are top ally. Only 13.3% say that Israel is not an ally of the United States. So despite all of, you know, the hand wringing, all the loud voices online, we still are at, you know, 87% of AmFest attendees consider Israel either our top ally or an ally. And maybe what you're seeing in the shift in the dialogue is more to one ally of many as opposed to our top ally. Maybe that's the shift you've seen in the Trump era. Blake, I want to give you a chance to respond just because of your relationship.

[Blake Neff]

So a few things, I totally understand where you're coming through specifically on some of that. But yeah, the Hitler stuff that's popped up more, I, I will say I've been hearing stuff like that, honestly, my entire adult life. It bubbles up. I think there is an element where some people find it interesting in a transgressive sense or something. And I'd want to say, I hope it has no modern political manifestations, but it does, it does pop up with a degree that if I were a Jewish American, I think I would find it disturbing. As more disturbing as you do. I don't get why some people think in this particular political moment, relitigating an 80 year old war's morality is of great importance. But some people like that, I'm, I will say I'm sympathetic to the position.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Can I just jump in for a second? Like when, when you. First of all, I think it's not just Jewish Americans. I think every American should feel worried about this question of whether Hillary was really. But, but, but, but. I mean, beyond that, when you say, you're like, I don't know why somebody would bring that up, but you know, like that I know why they would bring it up because they. You know what I'm saying?

[Stephen Moore]

That's fair.

[Blake Neff]

That's fair. There's. There is. It's unfortunate. I do think that pattern is real for certainly at least some of the people doing it. The big picture. I recognize Vice President Vance and everyone in this coalition. We have a tough challenge. We asked. We were doing one of our exclusives interviews. I think it was when we had Megan. I think it was actually when we had Michael Knowles on. And we just asked the crowd, raise your hands. Do you agree more with Ben Shapiro or more with Tucker? And it was about 50, 50. Ultimately, what we've been saying is we have to be able to build a coalition that is forward. And what I liked with Vice President Vance was he's saying we are going to define this movement by positive things, by positive affirmations. And those are going to be good affirmations that make us a superior alternative to the left. And I think if Vice President Vance is setting a positive example and if he's taking on a leadership role that shows that positive example, he can shape the movement in a good direction that is good on policy, good on unifying rhetoric. And instead of having to go around playing place and disavowing people, what you are is what you are avowing is going to make people into something better. And I think that's an example Charlie himself tried to set while he was with us.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. 30 seconds, Bhatia. And then we're gonna take a quick break.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I was truly humbled by how right Andrew and Charlie and you, Blake, were about how you set up the whole America Fest. I just came away feeling like it could not have gone better. And that was because of the disparity between me and the views that I heard there.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Andrew Colvett]

You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back. We have a minute here before we welcome back national radio, and I have to ask, I think this is gonna be the hardest question that Bhatia has to navigate as a Jewish woman. What is your favorite Christmas movie? Or is there, like. Is there, like, a Hanukkah movie? I don't even know. Okay.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I just. Every year, I watch all of the Christmas rom coms, and the thing about them is, is that they're all exactly the same, and they're all equally delightful and delicious. So I couldn't even tell you which is the best one because I can.

[Andrew Colvett]

Just watch all the rom coms again.

[Blake Neff]

Are there traditions? I know Jewish Americans often eat Chinese on Christmas. Are there traditional movies they watch that are, like, emphatically not Christmas movies or something?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Well, the Big Lebowski is often on the list, for sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

The dude abides.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

You know, I'm an orthodox Jew, so the traditions of, like, secular liberal Jews, I'm not as familiar with them. You know, to us, Christmas is. It's funny because one of the things is, you know, like, there's certain texts that you're supposed to study and that you're not supposed to study on Christmas due to, like, like, so, you know, there's that conversation as well.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is way more complicated than I realized. This was a hard question. The J.D. vance question's easy. All right, well, welcome back, Radio. Don't go anywhere. All right. I accidentally opened up a whole can of worms actually asking a Jewish woman what her favorite Christmas movie. It's not a fair question. It's not a fair question. I apologize. Bhati did wonderful with it, though. Christmas rom coms. What are those even? It's like love actually.

[Blake Neff]

Is one.

[Andrew Colvett]

Love actually.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

Love actually.

[Sean Davis]

Hold on.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's the one with. What's the one with John Cusack and the British gal where they meet and then they try and find each other again? I'm forgetting. That's another Christmas movie. Kind of.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

There's a really good movie called the Family Stone.

[Andrew Colvett]

You and I have wildly different movie taste, bud. This is. This is Go. This is spinning out of control. We need to bring it back, rain it back. All right, so my. Here's my pointed question for actually why you gave. So you've got guys like Steve Bannon. He calls himself a Zionist. You've got Matt Gaetz, who just did the interview with Tucker Carlson. He calls himself pro Israel. You've got a lot. Megyn Kelly has been traditionally extremely pro Israel. Their biggest beef is that they feel. And by the way, Charlie had this conversation with Megan, you know, just before he was assassinated, actually was just this feeling from, like, the gentile friends of the Jewish people in Israel that there is a moral blackmail campaign where the pressure just feels like, you know, if you're only with us 80% of the way, we're not gonna be happy. And we're gonna. We're. We're gonna call you names. It. I do find it counterproductive. I'm not saying everybody's guilty of it. I'm literally about to send a video to Dennis Prager wishing him a Merry Christmas because he loves Christmas. You know, I love you, like, completely, even when I disagree with you, but that. That's. So what is that dynamic? And what do you do about that? Do you feel like the response after October 7th is driving away friends of Israel?

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

I'm going to give an analogy. Okay. I am a person who feels that we should not be funding the Ukraine war. Okay. I've thought that from the beginning. Two weeks in, Putin was like, if you all just recognize the status quo and ratify it, that Crimea belongs to Russia, which he had already taken eight years earlier. You know, that the Donbas is independent, which there was a civil war there, and that Ukraine is not part of NATO. I'll withdraw immediately. I thought we should have pushed for that. You know, we had. Gas prices were insane at the time. I just didn't understand why a few hundred kilometers in Eastern Europe was the responsibility of the American working class to bear. Now, if you hold that view, which I do, you will get letters, snail mail delivered to your home with death threats from people who are pro Ukraine. The entire Ukraine lobby will come after you. They will impugn your character. They will call you a Putin puppet. It doesn't matter how many times you say Putin is a thug and a murderer, which is what I believe. The people who feel very strongly about this issue will do everything they can to get you to shut up. And you know what, Andrew? That is their job. I don't hold that against them. And the idea that that would make me embrace Russia as the good guys because the Ukrainians are behaving insane at the extremes. That's insane because I don't answer to the inverse of what the most extreme people in a lobby are doing. I answer to my God. I have to face myself in the mirror. So, you know, and the fact that there are these loons at the extreme of the Ukraine lobby, that doesn't even influence how I think about Zelensky or the Ukrainian people or the vast majority of the people who think we should be funding the war in Ukraine. I have a policy difference that makes me very unpopular with a very big group of people. And the extremes of them are extreme in their opposition to me and think I should be dead for having my view. The idea that I would allow that to influence my view would make me an unserious person. So do I think there are people in the Israel lobby who embarrass me because they are extreme? Sure do. I think Israel itself has in some ways behaved badly, especially vis a vis our president, the greatest friend the Jewish people have ever had. Yes. Does that. If somebody allows that to determine whether they interview Holocaust survivors. If anybody telling you that that is an excuse to become anti Semitic, I think is not a morally serious person. That is a person who is not answering to their God. That is a person who is answering to the inverse of the algorithm. And I look down on that. Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I know that you think some of the reaction has been counterproductive. So I just wanted to give you an opportunity to say that. And listen, I am going to convince you on JD Vance.

[Batya Ungar Sargon]

It's just gonna happen. I know.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm gonna take a bow and the Internet's gonna know because J.D. vance, a good man. And I know you want to believe and I know you're waiting. You're waiting for. You're waiting for the signal to proceed. We're gonna. We're gonna get you there. Batya, thank you for joining on this 23rd of December, two days before our Christian Christmas. And you know, with that note, we have a really good goodbye song. I think it's coming. Blake has teed us up for a good Christmas goodbye here. Yes, we're gonna close for us Christians. For us Christians, the Savior is born unto this world and we are about to celebrate him. Blake, take us home.

[Blake Neff]

This is. Do you hear what I hear? The music was by a Jewish born woman, but it's a lovely Christmas song, as are many good Christmas songs. And we'll have a good Christmas episode for everyone tomorrow. We'll see you then.

[Andrew Colvett]

Do you see what I see? Do you see what I see?

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A star.

[Andrew Colvett]

A star.

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