The Charlie Kirk Show, December 29, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – December 29, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Charlie Kirk (iHeartPodcasts) with Blake, Scott Johnson, Harmeet Dhillon, Jonathan "Lomez" Keeperman, and guests

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives into recent revelations of widespread fraud within Minnesota’s childcare and welfare programs, focusing on allegations of large-scale abuse involving the Somali-American community. The discussion expands into systemic issues—political accountability, law enforcement responses, and cultural consequences. Major topics include the public outcry spurred by viral reporting, the federal and state legal process, the conservative movement’s strategic direction, and actionable policy remedies. Notable guests include investigative bloggers, Department of Justice officials, and conservative thought leaders who provide both granular insights and broader, movement-level assessments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Minnesota Fraud Scandal: Background and Exposé

• The episode opens with in-depth coverage of allegations surrounding massive fraud perpetrated through Minnesota social services—particularly daycare and food aid programs.
• Citizen Journalism: Discussion highlights Nick Shirley’s viral video, which brought national attention to fraudulent child care centers seemingly receiving millions but serving little or no children ([16:34]–[17:27]).
  • “He had a 42 minute video…it’s been viewed over 114 million engagements on that tweet. It’s got a ton of attention from Elon Musk, from the Vice President.” — Scott Johnson ([15:34])
  • “We’re just wondering where the children are…It says you have 102 children here, and you got $2.66 million this year in funding.” — Harmeet Dhillon ([17:09])
• Historical Context:
  • Scott Johnson (Powerline Blog) emphasizes that while public interest is newly inflamed, these investigations and prosecutions have been ongoing for years, with dozens of indictments already filed and more imminent.
    • “This is all, from my perspective, old news. … These matters are under investigation by the FBI and they are being charged.” ([75:41])
  • Fraud is described as both an open secret and an example of systemic failure: “Minnesota is drowning in fraud. The volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of [the U.S. Attorney's] office to remedy by prosecution alone.” — Scott Johnson quoting the U.S. Attorney ([79:44])

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2. Political and Law Enforcement Response

• Panelists discuss the response—or lack thereof—from Minnesota leadership (Governor Tim Waltz, Attorney General Keith Ellison) and federal authorities.
  • “They told Tim Walls, they told Keith Ellison about the fraud when it was happening, and…they not only didn’t do anything, they retaliated against him…If that can be documented, these guys need to be prosecuted.” — Charlie Kirk ([03:47])
• The DOJ’s Harmeet Dhillon highlights the complexities of prosecuting public corruption, emphasizing that while the scale demands accountability, airtight legal cases require careful building:
  • “What we don’t want is to have a situation like what happened to President Trump—trumped up cases, concocted cases, BS cases. So you have to actually do the homework, put that ironclad case together.” ([109:47])
  • She stresses ongoing investigations: “We have indicted 99 people so far. And we're just getting started in the Minnesota Somali fraud rings…over 60 convictions.” ([105:26])
• Call for More Resources:
  • “There might be five or six prosecutors working on these cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's time to send in reinforcements.” — Scott Johnson ([75:41])

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3. Societal and Political Implications

• The scandal is positioned as a case study of broader trends: demographic change, integration, law enforcement bandwidth, and the resilience of the conservative movement.
  • The episode addresses how urban Democratic strongholds (Minneapolis, Hennepin County) and imported voting blocs—like the Somali community—are shifting electoral outcomes in Minnesota and potentially elsewhere.
    • “I hate to point the finger at the Somali community again…But you know, the problem is Hennepin county…including a large component of Somali voters, that it makes up for the Democrats’ weakness in rural Minnesota.” — Scott Johnson ([82:32])
• The hosts urge movement supporters not to devolve into defeatism, arguing progress is being made and the fight is long-haul:
  • “Things are actually moving in the right direction…we are rowing in the right direction. Sometimes you look up and you’re still caught out in the middle of the ocean…desperation can start to set in and people start with the infighting.” — Jonathan “Lomez” Keeperman ([41:21])

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4. Strategic Movement Analysis

• Jonathan “Lomez” Keeperman discusses the importance of conservative unity, strategic patience, and sustained activism:
  • “Everyone wants it to be faster…It just is the case that we live in a reality that is constrained by political, legislative, and bureaucratic impediments…We are moving in the right direction…” ([41:21])
  • On coalition-building with tech billionaires and the “tech right”: “We need something out of this deal. …Help us build a permanent wall…Help us effectively and systematically deport the 50 million illegal immigrants in this country.” ([58:17])
• The panel acknowledges both “emotional incontinence” and addiction to urgency among the conservative base:
  • “We need to cultivate good character on the part of our movement…there’s an element where people like to feel like they’re being betrayed…It’s not always as fast as you’d like, but it is in fact happening.” — Scott Johnson ([46:30])
• The show's tone is one of encouraging active but informed participation, highlighting citizens' investigative power (like Nick Shirley's reporting) and the necessity of working at local/state levels.

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5. Other Notable Segments

• Tyler Robinson Trial: Intermittent coverage of this ongoing legal case provides commentary on judicial transparency, media access, and public expectations for justice ([20:15]–[28:37]).
  • “People are getting really upset that, as Martin Luther King would say, justice delayed is justice denied. …People are getting suspicious. It’s making people feel like it’s more likely they botch it.” — Scott Johnson ([31:00])
• Voter Integrity and Policy Litigation:
  • Harmeet Dhillon updates on DOJ-led lawsuits to enforce voter roll maintenance across 22 states: “There was a lot of hemming and hawing, including from red states… I am proud to report today I’m in litigation with 22 states…to help them clean their voter rolls.” ([120:01])
• Conservative Evolution:
  • The episode reflects on how rightward the conservative movement has shifted in the past decade. “If you took a snapshot in 2014/2015 and then you took a snapshot…in 2025/2026…the aggressiveness…we are light years ahead…thanks to President Trump, thanks to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmeet.” — Blake ([122:45])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We're just wondering where the children are…it says you have 102 children here, and you got $2.66 million this year in funding.”
  — Harmeet Dhillon ([17:09])

• “Minnesota is drowning in fraud…the volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone.”
  — Scott Johnson quoting U.S. Attorney ([79:44])

• “The problem is that liberals have figured out creative ways to…manipulate procedural outcomes. So even though they are faced with the same sort of structural impediments, they are much better at sort of cutting corners…”
  — Jonathan “Lomez” Keeperman ([53:02])

• “We have indicted 99 people so far…And we're just getting started in the Minnesota Somali fraud rings.”
  — Harmeet Dhillon ([105:26])

• “You have to actually do the homework, put that ironclad case together. Because you know what the other side is going to say—this is politicized.”
  — Harmeet Dhillon ([109:47])

• “I would encourage people to not have a meltdown if things are not solved immediately. …There’s a TV show bias when you consume a lot of politics as entertainment.”
  — Scott Johnson ([46:30])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Minnesota Fraud Allegations, Whistleblowers, and Political Complicity
  [03:41] – [10:00]
• Citizen Journalism & Nick Shirley’s Video
  [13:38] – [18:39]
• Movement Strategy & Patience: Lomez Interview
  [40:24] – [56:03]
• Immigration, Coalition-Building, and Tech Right
  [58:17] – [61:43]
• Powerline Blog’s Scott Johnson on Investigations
  [73:52] – [88:28]
• Harmeet Dhillon (DOJ) on Prosecutions and Policy
  [100:44] – [124:59]
• Voter Integrity Lawsuits Update
  [120:01] – [124:05]

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Summary and Context

The Charlie Kirk Show delivers a dense, grassroots-centric breakdown of the Minnesota fraud scandal—expanding from fresh viral outrage to the deeper workings of law enforcement, conservative media, and the political/movement strategies needed for real reform. Listeners looking for “what’s really happening” will find this episode both a cathartic airing of grievances and a practical, inside-the-system guide to what’s possible, what’s in motion, and what challenges remain.

The tone remains urgent yet measured, refusing to indulge in defeatism or sensationalism, and repeatedly calling listeners and activists to channel their energies into productive, strategic action—in Minnesota, across the Midwest, and nationwide.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

The Charlie Kirk show show starts now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Minnesota. It's apparently a business. Whistleblowers are coming forward.

[Scott Johnson]

And if they are real, Mike, and.

[Charlie Kirk]

If what they're saying can be documented. And what they're saying is they told Tim Walls, they told Keith Ellison about the fraud when it was happening, and.

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They not only didn't do anything, they.

[Charlie Kirk]

Retaliated against him, Mike. If that's true, if that can be documented, these guys need to be prosecuted, held accountable and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[Blake]

What needs to stop is a demonization.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of one community involved in this.

[Blake]

What needs to stop is an absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Unproven storyline that continues to resurface on.

[Blake]

The House floor that this money went.

[Charlie Kirk]

To terrorists and it's targeted at one group of our citizens here, of Minnesotans. We'll own that this thing needs to be fixed.

[Blake]

We'll own that there were problems in this.

[Charlie Kirk]

We will own that there are fixes and we think we propose the right amount. But we're open to that to try and close this.

[Blake]

But again, I am not going to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Allow folks to use this as a hammer against a group of people. So this is Quality Learning Center. I meant to say Quality Learning Center.

[Blake]

Don't open up.

[Charlie Kirk]

They said they spelled learning wrong.

[Blake]

Don't open up.

[Charlie Kirk]

We've arrived to ABC Learning Center. All the windows are blacked out. I would like to check a child in the daycare. I would like to see if I could bring little Joey, my son, little Joey here. Is there a paperwork? Can I check out the daycare? No. The Somali community here in Minneapolis has.

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Been welcoming and has shown love towards.

[Charlie Kirk]

Me and I appreciate it.

[Blake]

We have to be honest at times.

[Charlie Kirk]

With the problems that we're having in.

[Blake]

Our community and we need our community to help us fix those problems together because it's real and it's serious at the same time, if people have taken anything that I have said out of context in a way that's caused harm.

[Charlie Kirk]

I apologize, and I'm sorry for that.

[Blake]

Because that's not my intention at all. I want to be clear that the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Legislative Audit Report gave us a clear path. It told us that we could do better. And just like Minlar's, I now own.

[Blake]

That, and I own the fix for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is what happens when your own.

[Blake]

Federal government wages war against you.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is what happens when they target.

[Blake]

People, communities, for their own benefit.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is what happens when they scapegoat, and this is what happens when they no longer hide the idea of white supremacy. When you hear the Vice President of the United States talk about now white people won't have to apologize for being white. That's never happened once in my whole damn life. And I think everybody in this room knows what they're doing. So we're here today to say enough of this. We're here today to stand that Minnesota will protect their neighbors.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Governor Tim Walls is saying that you and others that are out there trying to expose this, you know, you're doing.

[Charlie Kirk]

It because you're white supremacists.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Supremacist. What is your response to him?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Tim wants votes. There are entire apartment complexes where white people have been pushed out of these apartment complexes because Somalians have taken over.

[Scott Johnson]

In their inside of these towns like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Minneapolis, where they can go and go get votes from these people. And if you have 100,000 people that will vote for you because you're going to enable and let this stuff happen, and because you're going to call a white person racist for calling out facts, this is what's going to happen to.

[Scott Johnson]

A state like mine.

[Charlie Kirk]

Minnesota, Minnesotans, they say Minnesota. Nice. But they are very upset. And I totally understand why they're upset because they don't have a governor who's.

[Scott Johnson]

Actually working for them that he's actually working against them.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

In 2020, one of them received 1.3 million. In 2021, they got 987,000. In 2022, they got 714,000. That's the last I have for that one. And then the other 1.604 million. In fiscal year 2025, fiscal year 2024, they got about 800,000. And in 20, fiscal year 2023, they got $904,059.

[Charlie Kirk]

This place right here.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It'S from the.

[Charlie Kirk]

State of Minnesota website.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It says you have 102 children here in your child care, which the Minnesota.

[Blake]

Child care right here.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It's from the state of Minnesota's website.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're just wondering where the children are. Yeah, where are the children?

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It says you have 102 children here and you got $2.66 million this year in funding.

[Scott Johnson]

We'd like to ask where the money's going. Look at that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Shut us down. Where are the children at? No children inside of this daycare center. And look at this daycare center right here. No children inside of this DK Center. But between those buildings, over $2.6 million.

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[Blake]

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up.

[Blake]

Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are back in studio. I hope you had a great Christmas time. Restful. We're looking forward to the new year. Blake is still not here because he is in a very cold place, an undisco undisclosed gold place. Blake, Merry Christmas. Happy New Year.

[Scott Johnson]

I'll disclose it. I'm. I'm in the. I'm in the vast frozen wastes of South Dakota. It's vast and it is frozen.

[Blake]

My first question to Blake was, how cold is it? And Blake was like, it's frigid. It's freezing.

[Scott Johnson]

It was so. True story. We were driving back from North Dakota yesterday and my family members, we had three different cars. There was a lot of us. And two of the cars rode ahead and they got trapped in Valley City, North Dakota by a blizzard. And luckily we were behind them and we didn't drive into the storm and we turned south and like the, like the wise men, we returned home by another way.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Scott Johnson]

So we got home, but my I think my brother is still stuck in Valley City right now, which has a nice pizza place. I'm going to shout out the Pizza corner of Valley City, North Dakota, which we frequently stop at. But otherwise it is not necessarily the most happening place in the world.

[Blake]

Yeah, but you're with family. That's what it's all about. My mother kept telling me I look tired again. So I have been just trying to rest and sleep. But with three kids, you know, that's, that's a hit and miss prospect. But it's good to be back. It's good to be back here in the studio. Lots to discuss. We have a maxed out show today. And Blake, I mean, really, the, the, the big story is the Somali fraud, but it's much bigger than this, actually.

[Scott Johnson]

It's crazy how this has really eaten about. I was checking when we were first having guests on about this. This is eaten about a month of news. Just this steadily exploding bomb of Somalia related fraud centered on Minnesota. It has been around for a while. I was looking through the archives and it's shocking how long we've basically known this is happening. But it blew up again in public consciousness when Chris Ruffo and Ryan Thorpe had their article for the Manhattan Institute. They talked about different programs, Covid related stuff, daycare related stuff. They talked about a lot of different programs going into it. And then that increased a lot of attention on it and people started to notice other stuff. And then what's been blowing up this past week? There's a YouTuber, Nick Shirley. He's, I guess, you know, I guess you call it a citizen journalist.

[Blake]

And Blake, can I say video? Yeah. Can I say one quick thing about Nick Shirley? I don't mean to get in your vibe here. Nick is doing great work. Massive top 10 all time engaged tweets, if you will. But what's crazy is I reached out to Nick, so he's planning on coming on the show in hour two if we can get it done. But he was the last live guest on the Charlie Kirk show on, on nine, ten.

[Scott Johnson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Blake]

Yeah. That's crazy. So I text, I texted him about it and he came on with me because I guest hosted that day, if you'll remember. And he said that him being the last live guest on the Charlie Kirk show, even though it was with me and Charlie was on his way to Utah, that has really meant a lot to him. And he said it's fueled him to do more stories like he's done. So I just wanted to give a shout out to that moment. And Nick giving, you know, some credit to Charlie for being inspired to do the kinds of reporting that he's doing. So please continue. But I thought it was an important note to me.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

So.

[Scott Johnson]

Well, if he's been inspired, he was. It was a very successful inspiration. So he had a 42 minute video, it's on YouTube and it's on X. On X that has been viewed over 114 million engagements on that tweet. It's got a ton of attention from Elon Musk, from the Vice President. It's really, it's penetrated the wider popular consciousness in a way these stories often do not, I think people you don't normally expect to see, I guess stories about municipal fraud are noticing this one and what he did is he just went into the public records of who is getting taxpayer subsidies for running a daycare in Minnesota and he's got a camera and he started to visit them and we have a montage of some of what he found. It's 42 minutes. It's worth going to watch the whole thing, but we have some highlights of it. About a minute. Let's play clip 124.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this is Quality Learning Center. I meant to say Quality Learning Center. We've arrived to ABC Learning Center. All the windows are blacked out. I would like to check a child in the daycare. I would like to see if I.

[Scott Johnson]

Could bring little Joey, my son, little Joey here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is there a paperworker, Can I check out the daycare?

[Scott Johnson]

No.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

From the State of Minnesota website. It says you have 102 children here in your child care. Minnesota child Care.

[Blake]

Right here.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It's from the State of Minnesota's website. Website.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're just wondering where the children are.

[Blake]

Where the children are?

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Where are the children? It says you have 102 children here.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

And you got $2.66 million this year in funding.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'd like to ask where the money's going.

[Blake]

Now.

[Scott Johnson]

I want to elaborate on that a little bit because you can see some of these. The building exists, that one at the end there had some Disney decorations in the back. This doesn't necessarily need to be a fraud of the daycare center not existing at all or it not having any children at all. If you look into the details of this, what can routinely happen, for example, is maybe they're billing the state for having watching a child all day, maybe you know, eight hours, 10 or whatever the amount is, when in reality they had children there for only one hour or there have been cases in the past, this has been known for years, about a decade at this point. They'll have parents will bring in a child for a few minutes, check them in and then leave with them. But again they'll be reporting it like it's a full day. There's all sorts of stuff that can go on. And as we saw in the Manhattan Institute report there's often just not a lot of interest by Democrats who run the state of Minnesota to police this. And so the room for fraud is absolutely immense because you can get away with a lot if nobody cares about stopping you from breaking the law.

[Blake]

Yeah, I mean what you said is that it's penetrated the collective consciousness deeper and more broadly for some reason. I mean, this is one of the top 10 ex posts as far as engagement in the history of the platform. I do want to just quickly mention that we are monitoring the Tyler Robinson basically hearing. There's a closed door hearing. The judge has allowed media to access redacted transcripts of Robinson closed door hearing. And there, there is currently the judge is ruling on a gag order in the court hearing. So we'll give you updates on that as well, probably on the other side of this break. But yeah, this, so there's developments on both fronts. I want to, while, while we're sort of taking a bit of a pause here, I want to mention the rest of the show that we have lined up for you. Here we have Jonathan Keeper Gomez. We're going to be talking about the state of the conservative movement in the second half of this hour. Then we're going to hopefully have Nick Shirley on at the top of hour two to talk about his reporting out of Minnesota and what he's found, what he's doing next. And then we are going to have Harmeet Dillon talking about statute of limitations as well as what we can expect when it comes to prosecutions from the DOJ on some of these federal scandals that are unfolding in Minnesota. So absolutely maxed out. Show studio, can we take this, this feed from the courtroom? All right, let's go ahead and throw to this for last minute of this segment. This is from the Tyler Robinson trial in Utah.

[Charlie Kirk]

During the closure hearing, the parties withdrew Defendants requested numbers 1, 2 and 11.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

The remaining three requests were significantly pared down.

[Charlie Kirk]

The court has already ordered the redaction of request three for security reasons, including lines 34, I'm sorry, page 34, lines five through seven, as ordered above. The court also finds that privacy interests support this redaction.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

The court has considered the interest favoring.

[Charlie Kirk]

Closure of the remaining two requests for redaction and concludes that the information is not of a highly personal or sensitive nature. Privacy interests do not outweigh the public's interest in this case. Therefore, the court denies redactions of the.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Following portions of the transcript.

[Charlie Kirk]

Page 35, lines 16 through 17, and page 80, lines 22 through 25 foreign.

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[Charlie Kirk]

This is when mindset comes in.

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Someone will be eliminated. Pressure is coming down.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Post shall be resealed. No copy of the unsealed audio shall be provided until the identified portions have been resealed. The court will sign this order today.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

And it will go into the record.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now turning to the second issue and the court now issues the following order regarding the media's request to intervene. Two groups of media outlets seek to intervene in this matter. Only the state and the defendant, however, are actual parties to a criminal action. The press need not be a party to a criminal action to pursue the public's presumptive right to access public court records. The press has already been provided with a Mechanism through Rule 4.202.04 to protect that right and has already utilized it in this matter.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

For this reason, the court denies both requests to intervene.

[Charlie Kirk]

The court now reiterates and clarifies its order requiring parties to serve all closure.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Or reclassification motions on the media, dated.

[Charlie Kirk]

November 10, 2025, as follows.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Again, the parties are ordered to serve.

[Charlie Kirk]

All closure motions on members of the press who have requested notice. The parties must file proof of service with the court. A closure motion is any motion to.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Classify or reclassify presumptively public court record under Rule 4.202.02.

[Charlie Kirk]

As any other classification, the parties need not serve notice on members of the.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Press court records that are presumptively not public.

[Charlie Kirk]

A court record means a record that is prepared, owned, received or retained by this court. This includes hearings. Therefore, the parties are ordered to serve all motions to close your hearings.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

On members of the press who have.

[Charlie Kirk]

Requested notice, the parties must likewise file proof of service with the court.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Nonetheless, the parties are not required to serve notice on members of the press of motions to limit electronic media coverage if members of the media attend.

[Blake]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are just monitoring the Tyler Robinson trial. The judge in the Robinson case has ordered the release of redacted Transcripts from sealed October 24 hearing was related to courtroom security and attire that is still ongoing. We are going to throw back to that while we have it. The judge continues wishes all parties a.

[Charlie Kirk]

Peaceful holiday season in hopes that each of you is able, to the extent.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Possible, to spend time with your loved ones.

[Charlie Kirk]

The next hearing is set for January 16th at 1pm And Mr. Robinson, I.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Will see you there at that time. Court is now in recess.

[Scott Johnson]

All right, we close that with a Christmas message.

[Blake]

Yeah, when we went back to it, he was saying Merry Christmas and Happy holiday sort of thing. Yeah. So. So it looks like this was regarding an Oct. 24 hearing that was closed and the transcripts had been redacted and sealed. And so the judge is ordering that those can be released. I was trying to keep up, Blake, I don't know if you caught it, what the ruling was regarding media access. Basically, he was saying those requests are denied, but I don't think that's for the actual court hearings.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, I. There has been no final ruling yet on the trial itself and media access to that. This is just regarding, I think, access to. I think he just means media access to that transcript and whether it would prejudice a future trial, that sort of thing. So I guess him making it available is a positive indicator. He's not going maximally closed off. But we don't know yet. He hasn't ruled on, obviously, the big question, which is the trial itself.

[Blake]

Right. Correct. Okay. Well, that. That was an interesting little curveball in our morning. We knew he was going to be in court. We just didn't know to what extent. And we knew that it was going to be a remote hearing, but apparently he is going to be. He is going to be on. They're going to reconvene in January 16, presumably. We'll get more details then. We are going to be monitoring that trial, obviously, very closely, and we are going to be keeping you appraised as much as we can, as much as is made known when the trial. I should say when the trial is officially underway, we are going to be covering it like white on rice. We are going to be bringing in experts. We are going to be preparing everything you can imagine to follow along with that. Because this show, more than any other that exists anywhere, has a vested interest in making sure justice is served. Blake, the. I mean, I know this is a little bit of a curveball, but when we talk about the timing of this trial, we were originally hoping that we were going to get the probable cause hearing in March, maybe April it's been moved back to May. You know, there's legal scholars that have. Jonathan Turley comes to mind from Fox News, George, George Washington University that, you know, that basically have been praising this judge for how deliberate he is. But it's definitely slower than the Internet moves. It's slower than the show would want him to move. But we don't want any sort of, you know, appealable infractions to occur. Right. So that you sort of are caught in between a rock and a hard place here where you want it to go quickly, but you also want to make sure that every I is dotted T is crossed so that they can't reverse this on appeal.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Yeah.

[Scott Johnson]

You don't want anything to go wrong. I do think it's a, It's a bad sign for the country overall that things take this long in even a high profile murder case. Simply, I think a lot of the strange things you've seen on the Internet, I think I've mentioned, I think that's driven by the fact that people have this need while the crime is fresh in their minds to see justice developing. And people are getting really upset that it's when I guess as Martin Luther King would say, justice delayed is justice denied. And the sense that, that it's taking an eternity on a crime that seems relatively straightforward. I mean, his parents turned him in. That this prolonged thing, it's making people, it's making people suspicious. It's making people feel like something is wrong. It's making people feel like it's more likely they botch it. And there's understandable reasons. It happens. A lot of murder cases take a long time to come to fruition, but it's not, it's not a great ideal way for things to go about, I believe. I think it'd be better if we were starting this trial in January rather than, you know, finally getting a jury a year after everything happened.

[Blake]

No, exactly. I mean, and we're not even talking about a jury portion of this trial. We're talking about a probable cause hearing, which is essentially they. Where the state gets to present additional evidence that has not been disclosed, evidence they've gathered since the original charging document. And it's a, you know, it's a step that is required in order to go to trial. So then the judge rules, do we have enough evidence? I mean, I think we all know that there's enough evidence to take this to trial. Again, to reference Jonathan Turley, he said that 90% of this evidence could be withheld and this guy would still be, you know slammed on case. Jonathan Keeperman joins us next. The Great Lomez will be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. About to welcome in the great Lomaz Jonathan Kueperman in just one second. But first, I want to tell you about our partners over at TikTok. Everyone has a perspective shaped by what they've lived, what they've learned, and what they believe. Charlie Turning Point. They always appreciated TikTok because values of connecting and building community, community were shared by those who engaged our content and still do engage our content. There on TikTok, you can find a teacher discussing math in a way, it makes it finally click for his students. A dad sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. A gardener showing how patience and care can turn a patch of dirt into something alive. Ordinary people doing extraordinary things and showing others how it's done. TikTok is a space where voices can find each other and no voice is too small. Quiet voices can hold great wisdom. Unexpected voices can make a big difference. Finding voices and sharing your own, that's what builds a community. Because when everyone has a voice, we can all learn something. And when we all keep learning, we can all move forward. On TikTok, you can find voices worth hearing and stories worth sharing. So thanks to our friends over there for supporting the show. Without further ado, I want to welcome in Jonathan Keeperman Lomez. Always, always got to throw that in. He's the founder of Passage Press, amazing company and the podcast Rufo and Lomaz with the Blaze. So check that out.

[Charlie Kirk]

There we go.

[Blake]

Yeah, there you are. I know you're traveling, Jonathan, but Blake and I were very honest that you made some time during your holiday travels just because we have a lot of really important things to talk about. And I texted you and I said, listen, there's a lot going on, a lot swirling. I think when people log on to X or whatever platform, it's hard to understand where the movement's at, where we need to go what we need to do, it's a frat time and it means we need, I think, sage voices of wisdom, the honest brokers, the good faith brokers, to kind of step into this space, be loud and add direction. I consider you one of those voices. So 30,000 Foot View, as we like to start off here sometimes help. Help make sense of the swirl that's going on, the tension that's going on in the movement, in the conservative coalition.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, I think that's the right frame. And frankly, I also, you know, I'm online all the time, I'm on Twitter, I have a podcast. And you can't help but sort of get embroiled in the sort of soap opera what's going on online and the speed at which the news comes out online and new things come into the discourse and things that were relevant yesterday seem to just disappear without a trace. And people have a kind of goldfish brain where they can't remember what happened five seconds ago. This creates a sort of manic energy, a sort of bipolar energy almost. You're up one day, it's very exciting. There's a lot of enthusiasm. Maybe the administration is making a lot of moves on immigration or there's something happening, let's say. I remember a week ago, Harmony Dhillon at the Office of Civil Rights and the Department of Justice was making these orders around disparate impact and, you know, going after employers and institutions that were trying to prevent white men from getting jobs or white men who had faced discrimination in the workplace were given this avenue to pursue those claims with the Department of Justice. This stuff then gets left behind and suddenly we're, you know, now in this frantic mode, trying to keep follow what's going on in Minnesota with the fraud scandal, and then next week it'll be something else, and so on and so forth. And so what I want to say, taking that 30,000 foot view best I can, with the understanding that, you know, even for me, it's often very clouded. Things are actually moving in the right direction. And actually my speech at the Amfest, I likened our situation to a survival situation. And we are in a shipwreck and we are cast out at sea. And I don't want to overextend the analogy, but even when you're rowing in the right direction, sometimes you look up and you're still caught out in the middle of the ocean. And it can feel like nothing is happening. And that's when the desperation can start to set in and people start with the infighting and they want to throw each other overboard and, and stab the life raft and hope somehow some miraculous new thing will happen to come save them. And so my advice to everybody, my suggestion or at least my disposition, my attitude towards everything that's happening is, look, we are facing the right direction. There's no question that the administration has its focus on the things that matters to this coalition and to the American people at large. Immigration, rooting out the liberal rot out of our institutions, affordability, reframing foreign policy, on putting America and America's interests first. And it's going to take a long time, we have to realize, to get to the destinations we're trying to get to. But we are headed in the right direction. And while everybody wants it to be faster, everybody wants more aggressive action, it just is the case that we live in a reality that is constrained by certain kinds of political, legislative and bureaucratic impediments that ensure things happen at a less than brisk pace. And I know that's frustrating, but we are moving in the right direction and we should remember that.

[Blake]

Yeah, I think that's well said. And Blake, I wanna get you in here. One thing I will say and I'll throw it to you, Blake, is, you know, I had a call with Mike Davis this morning. You know, because you log on to X now, everybody wants Tim Waltz thrown in prison. Right. You know, you know, arresting a sitting governor, even if, even if he deserves it, is going to be a heck of a lift. People need to understand that legally we're going to have Harmeet Dylan on in the second hour of today's show to kind of talk about some of what we could expect coming down the pike with the Minnesota fraud situation. By the way, there's fraud that's going to be exposed. I think as a result of some of this reporting in Ohio, there's going to be more New York with this home health care, Medicaid scandal. And, you know, you're going to have other things happening probably in California as well. All. And, and, but everybody wants accountability there. I just want to say that there is a lot going on behind the scenes they are not allowed to talk about publicly. I've been told this by multiple sources. There is a lot going on behind the scenes. Subpoenas have been set out that have not even been made public yet. There is accountability coming. But to your point, Jonathan, I think everybody has this feeling that we are losing Western civilization. You could like feel it slipping through your hands. And you want the immigration thing fixed right away, you want the fertility thing fixed right away. You want the affordability issues fixed right away. And it just takes time. Blake, I want to throw it to you to respond to Jonathan's take there.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's, it truthfully is. It's, it's something where you need to cultivate. We need to cultivate good character on the part of our movement, actually, because it is a real weakness, unfortunately, that there's this, there's an element of sort of emotional incontinence. People, there's a slight addiction where people like to feel like they're being betrayed. There's where people like to feel, oh, the line you'll see this is. I see this all the time on X. This is happening and Republicans do nothing and it'll be in all caps like that. And the truth is, is it's not always as fast as you'd like, but it is in fact happening. We have lawyers in the doj, we have agents at dhs, we have people at State Department, people in all these different ages, people at Treasury. And it's a very grinding process. And what you should do to support that is we should encourage, we should give a lot of air cover to our investigators. We should make sure they have the right priorities. But you do have to have some willingness to let a process play out. And if you want to get involved, you can get involved at the local and state level. We were, we were saying, look at what Nick Shirley was able to do for that issue by just going and knocking on additional doors to raise higher awareness of what we already knew was already going on. And people have had this in, they're already observing this in Columbus. There's, I guarantee if you live in a medium to large city in the Midwest, this sort of fraud stuff is happening already. And if you want to get involved, get your. If you're in a red state or a purple state, chances are you can actually get pressure on your state lawmakers to investigate this to a higher degree. And I guess I would just say I would encourage people to not have a meltdown if things are not solved immediately. I think there's a TV show bias when you consume a lot of politics. Let's be frank as entertainment. People get mad when their TV show doesn't give them the new developments, the new twists as quickly as they would like. And that's a temptation that has to be resisted. And I would note the left is pretty good at this. The left is pretty good at the grinding process of politics, of letting their operatives do their thing without everyone constantly screaming at them or firing them. Because they didn't get the win right away.

[Blake]

Yeah. And so, Jonathan, you know, I want to. Yeah, chime in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I just want to add, you know, I think Blake and I are on the same page here and it requires a certain amount of forbearance and sort of prudence with how we approach these, these issues. At the same time, I understand, I'm very sympathetic to the sense of urgency that people are bringing to these issues because the truth is it's not just that Republicans have been out of power for a long time and now they're in and there's this brief window. It's a particular kind of sort of America first immigration restriction nationalist sort of movement that has suddenly sort of taken its position and is in charge of what's going on in the Republican Party. And there is this sense and I feel myself victim to this. For so long, this set of ideas have been on the outside of power that you feel like, well, now is the window and you have like a year left to do something and if you don't do it now, it's never going to happen. And you want to imagine that there's some big red button somewhere in Washington D.C. and if Stephen Miller finds the right, you know, tunnels to go through in the White House, he'll find the big red button that he can press and that will just fix everything. And I'm sensitive to the idea that, you know, I wish that were also true. I wish for that fantasy to be the case. It's not. This is going to be a long process. This is going to be a multi term and perhaps even multi decade process to undo the years, the decades, the half century, if not more of rot that sort of seeped into the federal government and the kind of takeover of the bureaucracies that's happened by liberal establishment. This slow, long march through the institutions was basically completed. Now we are at the very beginning stages, a year, if not less, into unwinding that entire process. And so again, as hard as it is, it is going to require long term thinking. And that also means getting our personnel in place who can do this stuff.

[Blake]

Yeah, well said, Jonathan. And we're going to keep going through the break here. So if you're watching us on streaming, we're going to keep going with Jonathan Keeperman talking about this. You know, one of the things that Charlie and I used to talk about a lot was that the, the Constitution spread out power both geographically and over time. It basically takes six years to completely redo the form and the personnel within the government because senators elected every six years. So it's intentional. It's intentionally slow and frustrating. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back for the stream and podcast. So, Jonathan, this idea that our constitutional republic is the power is spread out geographically. Both we have a federal system, right? So states have power. They have certain jurisdictions, certain authority, and then we also have time. So right now we talk about should we nuke the filibuster to get immigration done? Nobody could convince me that Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski and Mitch McConnell are gonna go along with that, let alone Rand Paul. Right. Who's libertarian leaning. He probably likes immigration, as a matter of fact. I know that. So it's like what you got to continue. You gotta get like a guy like Nate Morris in who wants an immigration moratorium in Kentucky. You gotta make him your next senator. We gotta convince the people to vote him in. But you need more reinforcements or it's not gonna happen even if you push all the buttons. This idea of time and geography, I feel like at some level, you know, I get everybody's urgency, but we need to also understand the way the system works, because that system protects. Protects us when, you know, you have like a Joe Biden in office as well, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, it's ostensibly supposed to protect us. The problem is that liberals have figured out creative ways to what might be called manipulate procedural outcomes. So even though they are faced with the same sort of structural impediments, they are much better at sort of cutting corners and more efficiently getting done what they want to get done. And a good example of this is what Alejandro Mayorkas did with immigration over Biden's term. And so sort of very selectively deciding which laws to adhere to and which laws to ignore, if not outright break. And what you see is it's much easier for liberals to flaunt these kinds of protections and just ignore border enforcement, abuse our parole and refugee system to bring in masses of immigrants. And by the way, like, the Biden administration accounted for something like a 12 years of immigration in that four year term. And it's much easier to bring them in and cause the problem than undo it.

[Blake]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Entropy is much easier to create than order. And so conservatives find themselves in the unenviable position of having to reconstruct order out of this kind of liberal entropy. It's always going to be structurally more difficult. But that doesn't mean we give up. It doesn't mean we only use those methods available to us through the slow processes embedded in the Constitution. We also have to get Creative. And I think we are. I think for example, remigration and the kinds of carrots and sticks and incentives you can use if not to deport by compulsory action these masses of illegal immigrants, you can get them to voluntarily deport. And in fact, 2 million or so people have self deported since Trump took over. And I think we need to accelerate some of those more sort of off the books or coercive incentive structures in order to push people out and get done the things we need to get done.

[Scott Johnson]

When you look at the number of people who are making their living off of basically just scamming taxpayers, whether it's a fake daycare or fake meals for children or fake home health care, there's so many people just living off the taxpayer. You have to imagine if you cut that off, the push to just go back to your homeland will be pretty significant, especially if you could be charged with a crime for the things that you did. And I agree sharper methods should be on the table. And I think things are out there. I think if the Minnesota situation is out of control enough, I think it'd be amazing if the federal government said, said we're freezing all grants to Minnesota because this situation is out of control. That would be quite the flex and it would be getting forcing people to talk about issues in a framing that is favorable to us, which is always a good part of political strategy.

[Blake]

We are going to welcome back radio in about 10 seconds. More with Jonathan Keeperman, aka Lomez, when we get back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are joined by Jonathan Keeperman, AKA Lomez. So there is by the way, the SBA is freezing federal funding to Minnesota that has been announced. Loeffler has, has confirmed that. So that's one, one, you know, method that's being employed. But I agree, you know, Jonathan, we're talking about, you made the point in the break here that we need to get more creative with how we the carrot and stick approach. I totally agree. But by the way, just a few updates. The, you know, we got to think about ice, what's happening there and Stephen Miller has been behind the scenes working a lot of these angles. They're going to be on pace to to deport 1 million individuals next year. 1 million that I've heard that from him directly. That's the goal. So you think about that. Plus self deportations. I agree with you. They actually just upped the stipend that they're willing to pay for a self deportation. So that's already been increased. We need more and more and more. I mean, people, I'm with everybody. I want all these Somalis out. I mean, it seems like the whole community has just been organized to defraud the federal government and live off the dole. And, you know, we pay way too much in taxes. But here's, here's something occurred to me as you were talking, Jonathan. Right now there's a debate in California going on. Ro Khanna's all over X talking about how we need to seize the wealth of billionaires. And you've got Palmer, Lucky and Chamath basically arguing with them. You've got, you know, it's so, it's, it's. But this is the alternative. So when we get frustrated with our own coalition, look at the alternative. They're literally gonna seize unrealized gains in California. 5% of wealth. They're just going to seize it, which is theft from. From Bill. Yeah, go ahead. That's the alternative, though, to these billionaires.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who are listening, actually, that's the moderate alternative. The actual alternative for them is Luigi Mangione. Okay. And I don't say that in jest. I think that is ultimately where this is headed. And this is something that at the beginning of the Trump term and as this coalition was forming early on, there was a. Of tacit agreement that the tech right, so to speak, who had become sort of disillusioned with the left and the liberals who they had long supported and saw that that arrangement was no longer working for them and the left was going down a road that wouldn't allow these billionaires to even exist, let alone flourish. The agreement was that the tech right would come in and we would have a kind of handshake deal where we would leave them alone. We would support their interests in building out tech infrastructure and building their businesses and pursuing the limits of AI research, which, by the way, I think is all great and I'm for. But in return, we need something out of this deal. And the deal was we get immigration. They're going to help us with the core issues that have been animating this Trump movement from the start. They're also going to help us get rid of some of these very insidious cultural policies that had infected their industries for so long. Things like dei, anti white racism, et cetera. They've come about a quarter of the way and now they're in need of some kind of help. They want this broad coalition to come to their aid and push back against some of these odious economic policies that are being put forward by people like Ro Khanna. And my pitch to them is, okay, great. You guys have a lot of resources, a lot of know how, you have a lot of competent, serious people. Help us do the things that we want to do. Help us build a permanent wall that can keep out bad actors and people who don't belong in this country. Help us effectively and systematically deport the 50 million illegal immigrants in this country. And where we start and how that gets rolled out is something we can negotiate along the way. But we wanna see active participation by this coalition to help us pursue the agenda that is, at bottom, what is animating the Trump base.

[Blake]

Yeah, that's well said. Sorry. Go ahead, Blake, if you got a point.

[Scott Johnson]

Well, I was just thinking, I think we're getting a big favor done to us by the left itself, which is, let's be real, a lot of the tech right, they're not organically, always culturally conservative. They don't necessarily agree with us on a lot of issues. But the push factor from the left is they aren't chilling out from the 2024 election. In most cases, they're getting more extreme. They've got the mangioniism, they have this Liz Warren confiscatory tax stuff. They're getting more and more hostile, more and more radical, and they still have all of the insane race stuff. And I have to hope that as terrifying as that is, this does force our coalition to cohere together. And if you want to have some optimism, look up what Representative Tom Emmer was saying in 2015 about Somalis and what he was saying on Fox just yesterday about it. It's a big shift. We've made a lot of strides in the past decade.

[Blake]

Jonathan, can I keep you for a couple more minutes? I know you got an out at the top of the hour, so I want to keep going because this is too important. We got to keep the coalition together, and there's a lot of forces that are trying to pull it apart. More with Jonathan Keeperman. We'll be back in hour two for radio. Stay right there.

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[Charlie Kirk]

I'm Bo Davidson from the Real America's Voice newsroom. We are currently awaiting a meeting at Mar a Lago with President Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This is the second big meeting within two days as he spoke with Zelensky yesterday. And I want to bring in our chief White House correspondent Brian Glenn to discuss this, because this meeting could happen anytime. And we'll take you live to there as soon as it happens. But, Brian, you know, we call him what is it called? Mar a Lago. It's called White House south maybe, or something of that sort. He's wheeling and dealing from Mar a Lago. Of course, that's his home. But we were seeing two very key foreign policy leaders and issues being playing out on the scene right now, one with Zelensky yesterday, one with Netanyahu today. Before we get to Zelensky, let's just focus on Netanyahu for a moment. What are the stakes here in terms of I'd like for you to kind of lay out for our audience, what does President Trump want from this meeting and what does Benjamin Netanyahu want from this meeting? Yeah, Bo, from what I understand, there's two key components here.

[Scott Johnson]

One of them is what does this fight, this war, this pushback on Iran.

[Charlie Kirk]

Look like, and what involvement does that include with the U.S. how do we support that with Israel?

[Scott Johnson]

And I think most people can agree that Iran having a nuclear weapon is absolutely the wrong idea.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so I think we can all agree with that. But what does that look like in terms of U.S. involvement, then? The other would be the development of.

[Scott Johnson]

Gaza or what do we do in terms of Gaza. And I know there have been been lots of conversations about cleaning that area.

[Charlie Kirk]

Up and getting the literally miles of pile of rubbish and human remains out.

[Scott Johnson]

Of that area in order for this economic development to occur. And what does that look like and.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who'S involved with that as well? So you've got those are the, I think, from what I understand, Bo, the two biggest talking points in this meeting that should happen, like you said here momentarily. Well, you know, with Benjamin Netanyahu, a lot of people have lambasted him. Of course, we've seen this kind of fissure within the conservative movement, the Republican Party. You and I saw it firsthand, actually, in terms of CPAC and this jockeying for positioning with Ben Shapiro, Steve Bannon, Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, and whether, like, it's almost like, how pro Israel can you be? And I think there's maybe a different between supporting the nation of Israel and its right to exist versus supporting the government, which is Bibi Netanyahu's government, and their actions do you think? I've read some stuff online that's showing that President Trump may be getting a bit weary of Bibi's actions. What are you hearing in terms of how President Trump. That is a great point, by the way. I think the program cut off in my ear, but I think I know what you're asking right now.

[Scott Johnson]

There are two distinctions here. There's the Jewish people of Israel, the faith aspect of it, and then there's.

[Charlie Kirk]

The government of Israel, which many would consider them a corrupt government.

[Scott Johnson]

So where is the line there that people are willing to say, look, we.

[Charlie Kirk]

Want to support the people of Israel.

[Scott Johnson]

And their right obviously to exist, but at the same time, how. How close should we get to the government of Israel?

[Blake]

And Amfest did day one, we saw.

[Scott Johnson]

It Beau you and I saw the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fireworks that took place on the stage.

[Scott Johnson]

And very two different distinctive agreements.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's either you're all in on Israel or you're like, I'm in on Israel. But I don't want them necessarily telling.

[Scott Johnson]

Our government what to do. We certainly don't want to get drawn into their conflict as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

So there is. This is a very interesting dialogue, but I want our viewers to understand that if anyone is critical of Israel, they're criticizing the government of Israel, not necessarily the people of Israel. Just like we can criticize our US Government, we're not necessarily criticizing Americans, we're criticizing our government. So I think the distinction has to be made.

[Scott Johnson]

But whether or not this conversation and you and I saw it beautiful.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who gets to define what make America great again looks like? And it's not make Israel great again, that movement, which there are some that want to put Israel first.

[Scott Johnson]

And just like if you're in any country, you want to put your country first. I think there is a fine line.

[Charlie Kirk]

Between what we allow our country to dictate. We don't want any country dictating what our government does. Yeah, you're 100% right. I think that distinction has to be made. And a lot of people are wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater, which I think that we can't do. And I think that somebody made that distinction.

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Blake]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Hour two is underway. What a great conversation with Jonathan Keeperman. Please check out the podcast. There was a lot of exclusive podcast content that we covered in the breaks. We are actually going to be joined now by Scott Johnson from the Powerline blog, one of the groups that has been investigating the Minnesota fraud within the Somali community, specifically for a lot longer than the public is now aware of, at least the vast majority of them. So, Scott, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Thanks for making the time. Blake is the one who turned me onto your reporting and your investigative work, so I'm gonna let him take the lead here because what you've been doing needs to more people need to know about it. Scott.

[Scott Johnson]

Hey, Scott.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Scott Johnson]

Welcome to the show. I'm a big fan of Powerline. You guys are, I think you guys have literally been blogging before. They actually came up with the word blog, which is quite, I think you were in like the original Time magazine article about it and all that. Big fan of you guys. And what I like about what you guys have really pointed out, you've had a lot of posts on this explosion of interest in the Somali story. And what you pointed out is this is not, it's not truly a new story. Even Nick Shirley, he's not, he's not even the first person to go around knocking on the doors of daycares. And so I thought we could set this up by you could just explain a little bit about what, you know as a conservative on the ground in Minnesota, what the real state of affairs is and what is the best thing that could happen if we want to see accountability for this. And I guess let's be obvious, like useful policy developments at the national level as a result of this scandal.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that's a big question. The last time you had me on Blake, it was to talk in the aftermath of the controversy that Chris Ruffo had raised with a City Journal column this past November. And it created a huge impact all around the country because President Trump attended to that matter. And all of a sudden there were, there were calls for investigation coming from all over the country directed at the United States Attorney for Minnesota and the local FBI office here. But in fact, the case that Rufo wrote about the fraud Cases that have, have, that have been drawn to his attention are four years old. They're going to be, let's see, since 2021, they've been under investigation by the FBI. There have been at least 50 convictions in those cases. There are about 28 more maybe to go. And this round of controversy is created by this incredible video that Nick Shirley created knocking on doors around the Twin Cities to demonstrate the level of fraud in one aspect of these cases that is also under investigation and also being charged. And that's the thing I would like your, your audience to know more than anything else is that these matters are under investigation by the FBI and they are being prosecuted by the United States Attorney for the District of Minnesota. And whatever credit you give to me for covering these cases comes from the fact that I have followed. I've attended the press conferences called by the U.S. attorney here, and I've attended the trials held in these cases here. And this is all from my perspective, old news. Now, what's the name of the gentleman you were going to have on this afternoon, Nick? Joe, surely you know, I'm still, I'm just inundated with questions about this. But Shirley's video focuses on one aspect of the frauds that are being investigated here, the daycare frauds. And he, he highlights in the video an office in The City of St. Paul called the Briggs Midway Building that had 22 offices that were devoted to some aspect of these frauds. And the funny thing is that office building was raided in July. And, and at the time I posted the, this one of the search warrants that was executed in July on Power Line. And then in September, several of those cases out of the Griggs Midway building were charged. Now, the first charge cases involved another Medicaid fraud. Minnesota Medicaid has 14 waivered programs and daycare has been a long standing problem. But the first charge cases that have come out of the Griggs Midway Building in St. Paul are in Housing Stabilization Services, which seems to be a fraud of the kind that Nick Shirley is exposing in this video that has gone viral. So the one thing I would like your audience to know is that this matter, to use President Trump's term, is being attended to. The FBI is investigating it and the cases are being charged. There are more that will be charged this week. If there's a problem, it's that the United States Attorney's office for Minnesota is not huge. There might be five or six prosecutors working on these cases and a team of FBI agents. If anything, it's time to Send in reinforcements. But the matter, this is not news. It does not need to be investigated in the sense that a case needs to be open. It is under investigation and the cases are being charged.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, it's interesting. I want to read a line from your post this morning. It says before Nick Shirley and after. And you say Joe Thompson, the U.S. attorney for Minnesota, has all but shouted the point from the rooftop. Minnesota is drowning in fraud. To put it another way, Thompson was shouting, wake up. The volume of fraud is beyond the capacity of his office to remedy by prosecution alone. And you asked him, okay, are there more people you could charge and do they match basically the appearance of the cases we've seen so far? In other words, are there more, more Somali fraud cases that he's just been unable to get to and he told you, yes. So we have the evidence. We have the cases. It, it seems that we literally just have a case where we need more prosecutors and more manpower to, to bring the paperwork charges. Is that the situation as I do I understand it correctly, you know, to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Go back to the beginning, which, which is the, the searches and indictments that were handed up in the year 2022 out of the investigation that began in 2021, we're in this feeding our future fraud that involved $300 million. The original indictments, there was a 40, a set of 47 indictments that were handed out by the grand jury in September 2022. And those, those cases have multiplied. They're up to 70 some now. And that's how these subsequent frauds were discovered. Is that Joe Thompson and the FBI, as they followed the money coming, coming out of. Out of Medicaid to. And this Feeding Our Future as they followed the money, they found this some of the same cast of characters. The, the defendants in the Feeding Our Future case are basically a white woman who set up this Feeding Our Future nonprofit and recruited Somali, a Somali cast of characters to run these fraudulent program programs around the state.

[Scott Johnson]

So you.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's how it happened is that this thing has been under investigation for four years.

[Scott Johnson]

So we have about a minute till break. But I wanted. You've watched Minnesota politics for a long time and it's always struck me as a state. It seems like it should be a purple or red state by now. Like it should follow the arc of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania. Move a bit to the right. Yet it's always been this white whale. It never seems to happen. Even when it seems like this, a scandal like this should be a huge feeding frenzy for a state Republican. And you guys have good local conservative leaning investigators. Alpha News, you guys, what's going on? Why does Minnesota never seem to reach that turning point that it seems like it should?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I hate to point the finger at the Somali community again, but. But you know, the problem is Hennepin county, which is the county in which Minneapolis sits and the Democratic majority there is so huge, including a large component of Somali voters, that it makes up for the Democrats weakness in rural Minnesota. And they do lose out state Minnesota has shifted. It is a purple state in the sense that rural counties are basically Republican and St. Paul and Minneapolis are Democrats. So we need to do a little bit better in the cities. It's been a long time since a Republican won a statewide election here. If it doesn't happen in 2026, we've really got a problem.

[Blake]

All right, so we gotta take a quick radio break. I think we should keep going in the stream though, because I think this is important. So we'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Urban voters don't like his style or whatever. I really haven't thought about the question that you're raising right now and hesitate to say more about the political impact and so on. But I do think that we need a serious Republican candidate at the top of the ticket. In 2026, we had a weak Republican gubernatorial candidate in 2022. It brought down competitive candidates under him. If we have several good candidates running for the Republican gubernatorial nomination in 2026, and if one of them gets the nomination and is endorsed, I think we'll win.

[Blake]

Yeah, we can hope, man.

[Scott Johnson]

We can hope.

[Blake]

Just just so we're just, just so we're clear, the raw the raw vote difference in 2024 in Minnesota was 138,100 votes. So Donald Trump received 1.5 essentially, Harris received 1.65. So it was 138,000 raw votes that Minnesota was won by. And if you think the Somali community, which has been largely imported since the late 90s, I mean that's let's say it's over 200,000. I mean there's, it's about 80,000.

[Scott Johnson]

So it's not quite the difference though.

[Blake]

I've heard larger numbers. Do we know the actual numbers here? How many Somalis are in Minnesota?

[Charlie Kirk]

I would say no. You can get official numbers would be something like, like the 80,000 that you're using, but I think it's well over a hundred thousand. It is a fair number. And they're not entirely in Minneapolis, but they're concentrated in, it used to be called Little Mogadishu. That's the fifth district, Hennepin county and Minneapolis inner ranked suburb. It's Ilhan Omar's district.

[Scott Johnson]

So yeah, it's not so little anymore.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mogadishu has gotten bigger.

[Blake]

Well, it's not just, oh, go ahead, go ahead. We've got to say I was with you last. We got 20 seconds actually till we welcome Back radio. But it's not just, it's not just Minnesota, by the way. This is in Ohio. There's now reports of over 500 childcare facilities in the state of Washington run by Somalis. So we'll see how far the rabbit hole goes down. We're going to welcome Back Radio in two seconds. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. This is a very interesting conversation. Scott Johnson has been with his Powerline blog, has been investigating the, I guess, fraud situation, different aspects of it in Minneapolis or Minnesota. Scott, does this go back 20 years, 25 years for you? How long have you been doing your research and investigations?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, we started Powerline over Memorial Day weekend, 2002. I'm trying to think the first I really got seriously interested in this subject. I covered Minnesota was a fount of folks supporting Al Shabaab. And in 2016 there was a terrorism trial here. There were nine charged Somali Minnesotans who were seeking to join ISIS. Six of them pleaded guilty. Three of them went to trial in 2016. I covered that trial. And these were young, charismatic men who on the surface were apparently assimilated. They were well spoken. They were taking advantage of opportunities, they were educated. They were taking advantage of every employment and educational opportunity I could think of. So, you know, I was exposed to some of them as they came through the courtroom. But the three defendants I saw, one of them testified and one of the nine turned informer and wore a wire. So you got to hear what these guys really thought of us. And it was really, it was shocking how much hatred they had for the United States. And in the course of that trial, I saw you know that one of the programs they were taking advantage of was student loans. And one of the defendants pulled out $500 on a debit card from his student loan to finance his trip to Turkey to try to get to isis. And these folks were apprehended before they. Before they left the United States. But it was shocking to me how. How cognizant they were of the seams in the system that they could take advantage of and so on.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, it's really revealing. One of the places they investigated, the way it had all three, it was like it had a transportation company and it had like a home, a Medicaid company and a daycare. They're aware of where you can go to get the money. And as you said, it's nice that you brought up up the terrorism nexus of this in 2019. I've got it right in front of me, Fox 9 out of Minneapolis St. Paul, they investigated this, this story, and there was literally reports, this was noted, that millions of dollars was being flown out of the Minneapolis airport in suitcases, in cash. They just had cash stuff in suitcases, and they're flying it to Somalia in. It's beyond a doubt. A lot of that probably ended up with extremists, Al Shabaab terrorists. And it says in that article that it's well known that starting a daycare is a way to print money in this community. 2019, it's just.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that was the original frenzy. Yeah, I think the cat. The cash being flown out has never been substantiated, but that's where we came in, was with daycare fraud. I wrote a column for City Journal called Mogadishu, Minnesota. I think in 2018 that referred to the issue of daycare fraud and the story about cash being flown to Somalia. I'm not so sure that that part of it is true, but it certainly has been a concern for a substantial period of time.

[Blake]

Well, so my question then, Scott, goes to the politicians that have been complicit in this. Right. In 2023, Governor Waltz said that childcare providers need a raise, which basically, you know, was, you know, tip of the cap to his constituents in the Somali community, I gotta believe. What are we looking at? Complicity within the elected class in Minnesota? Are you gonna be pursuing that investigation? What can we expect in terms of Tim Waltz and other officials in the state?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't think he. Tim Walz, and I don't think Attorney General Keith Ellison. I don't think either one of them has either sat for an interview regarding what they knew and when on this massive public programs fraud. And it would be nice if, you know, the big media outlets here like the Minneapolis Star Tribune, now known as the Minnesota Star Tribune, would ask for interviews and tell us what the response is that they get. Will either of these guys sit for an interview during the second of these feeding our future trials? Earlier this year I sent sets of questions, I asked for interviews of both Walls and Ellison to ask those questions and I sent them written questions on the subject of what they knew and when. Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of the state, is a guy who brags about how he can spot a fraud when he's talking about President Trump. So I was curious about when he spotted the fraud that took place under his auspices here over the last six years. Is it's unbelievable. You know, the, the, these guys have specialized in either looking the other way or, or facilitating.

[Blake]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

What we've seen over the past several.

[Scott Johnson]

Cases, we're right, we're out of time here, Scott. But thank you so much. Thank you so much for your work everyone. Check out Powerline blog if you want unlimited Minnesota content. It's a great content producing state for our movement. Thank you. Thank you again, Scott.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thanks for having me.

[Scott Johnson]

We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

On air and on fire for.

[Blake]

The preservation of our nation.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

All right, welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk Show. Very excited about our next guest. That is Harmeet Dhillon, the great Harmeet Dhillon, who is the assistant attorney general for the Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice. Harmeet, welcome back to the show. I'm very excited to speak with you. You had a very lively weekend holiday break and you're trying to explain things. I, I found I was very sympathetic to where you're at because I have in the last couple of months received my own fair amount of attention from conservative influencers that don't seem to understand that we have a legal system that has rules, it has timelines. And you are being, or perhaps you just observed some of the questions that were circulating about this post January 6th prosecution. People want accountability for some of the stuff that happened. Obviously, we share those, those desires. And you just basically said, am I going to have to put down my knitting and explain the statute of limitations to you people so the floor is yours. What sparked this and what do you want the, the country, the conservative movement to know?

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Well, thank you for having me and thank you for asking. It is certainly very frustrating to those of us at the Department of Justice where we are doing so much. We are winning so many cases, including at the Supreme Court. We are putting wins on the board. And Attorney General Pam Bondi and the rest of us keep getting criticized for not having arrests like arrests are entertainment or bread and circuses, when in fact there are arrests. Under is a very lively activity from a very committed and I think the most conservative Department of Justice that we've ever had. So, and I don't think it's just people asking questions. What I was responding to was what looked to me like an organized campaign of stupid commentary that falsely claimed that because January 6th is coming up, there's a five year statute of limitation that expires on January 6th, 2025. And if the Attorney General and the DOJ hasn't indicted people by that time, then that statute of limitations has run. And I think it is paid. I think I see certainly those types of influencers on X who are monetized repeating this propaganda almost word for word. And I was frustrated by it. I saw some pushback. It wasn't enough pushback. And so I decided to get out there and you know, spew some facts. Namely there is no statute of limitations that runs on that day. There are various statutes that are going to run on a rolling basis and some haven't even expired because there's a continuing conspiracy which I think you could make the case for. In some circumstances the statute of limitations doesn't begin to run, that is start until that conspiracy and those overt acts and furtherance of the conspiracy end. And so I put some facts out there and I also express my frustration that so called conservative influencers are clearly getting paid to spread clickbait disinformation. And it's really annoying to me. And I wish people would get a life or at least inform themselves and try to be honest instead of just trying to make money off of the desperation of a less informed populace.

[Blake]

Well, and I think that's really important. And we have your tweet here. You said stuff happens January 6th. That date is irrelevant. January 6th committee and Congress forms in the summer. This is a relevant date. So Statute of limitations Mid 2026, potentially Jack Smith appointed over a year later. So there's another date. Democrats in Congress and those in states colluding with Biden, White House hide their behavior Some of which, which still hasn't come to light. Statute runs on this five years after their concealed behavior is known to the government. This means the statute could run in the next administration. And then you have a note of encouragement to stop posting clickbait. I think that's all fair. I actually was not booking you on this topic. Harmeet. We wanted to have you on because the Minnesota topic, and we've been covering that throughout the show today. I mean, it was, it was the number one topic Elon's posting about it. So I appreciate the statute of limitations. I think you're getting to a point that the base wants accountability, they want results. And it's not just about the doj. It's not just about Pam Bondi. You guys are doing great work at the Department of Justice in a lot of different ways. And I know because I've spoken with people, there's a lot coming down the pike. So we can can put a pin in that if you'd like, but there's a lot coming down the pike. Could you, could you at least assure our audience that you guys are working on stuff that they're going to like?

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Absolutely. But let me continue the theme here of the false narrative, which is that no one's going to go to jail. We aren't doing anything. We haven't done anything. Where are the arrests? This is nonsense because the attorney general and under the DOJ, we have actually indicted 99 people so far. And we're just getting started in the Minnesota Somali fraud rings. So far There are over 60 convictions and please, hundreds of millions of dollars enrolled in restitution and, you know, additional collateral crimes, including attempted bribery by one of these fraudsters trying to deliver $120,000 cash to a juror's home and things like that. And so, you know, we're also uncovering there's news of similar types of fraud happening in Ohio and other places where the Somali community is. Because apparently this is a type of fraud that they're talking amongst themselves. And it isn't just Somali fraud. There's other fraud. I firmly believe that there's been state organized fraud, frankly, in a way in California, where Victor Davis Hansen talked about this recently on his podcast where he's talking about sort of inflated reimbursement requests for ambulances from the state and then the state sort of pockets the difference and, you know, all kinds of crazy stuff like this Medicaid fraud, there's autism fraud, and on and on and on. And so we are so dedicated to this. There are Career prosecutors, it's not a political thing. This is a type of thing that they do day in and day out. And the attorney general is so dedicated to it. I spoke to her about it yesterday. She's not getting enough credit and it's not reasonable. And so, so I just want people to understand that when they say, where are the arrests? There's no arrest. You're just sounding dumb because if you cracked open a browser and did a little bit of research, you would find that there have been many arrests, many convictions, many indictments and ongoing investigations here. And so I'm proud of the CoJ and the work that we're doing and it would really make it easier for us to do our jobs and we didn't have to spend time combating misinformation from the public online, some of which is frankly malicious and self serving.

[Blake]

Yeah. And I want to take a minute, just a moment here to pause. You mentioned Victor Davis Hanson. He announced on his show. So we just want everybody to pray for vdh, Great American. Been on this show many times. He says, I'm having a major operation and I've been presented with a serious problem, but I'm going to do all I can to solve it. And that's all I can do and trust in the power of prayer and faith and in a wonderful surgeon. So it sounds like he's going into surgery with a serious issue. I saw you tweeting about that and retweeting, so I wanted to pause right there. We love vdh. He's a good American, great American, and so we wish him all the best. Please do pray for him. We need guys like VDH out there, a voice of stability, of just wisdom, history. His context for just about every problem we face is incredible. So just wanted to pause and say that. So one of the issues that you see if you go online and again, this is sort of the theme of our conversation here, Harmony, is people want to see Tim Waltz, Keith Ellison, they want to see these guys indicted, arrested for their complicity, or look turning the other way when they knew the fraud was happening. There's a. In the previous segment, Blake mentioned a Fox 9 article from 2019 where this sort of daycare fraud was publicized first. And they were even alleging that some of the money was getting to back to Al Shabaab, even in 2019. Then we had the City Journal reporting from Christopher Rufo that basically alleged the same. What would it take to indict a sitting governor? I mean, I know that you have an official role and there's Only so much you can say. So please, please, by all means, be careful. But just legally speaking, I mean, we haven't really seen anything like that, at least in living memory.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Well, we have. I mean, Rod Blagojevich was, of course, indicted. He's a Democrat governor. In fact, many Illinois governors have been indicted and convicted of crimes and, you know, senators have as well.

[Blake]

Sitting.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

It does happen. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you know, I don't know if he was sitting at the time, but he was convicted for behavior that he, that he allegedly engaged in while he was a sitting governor. And so, you know, it does take time to put convictions together. So let me tell you how. And again, this is not my area of expertise. I'm civil rights chief. I do have some criminal, some jurisdiction involving hate crimes and stuff. But there's a concept in the DOJ and also in state prosecutions called public corruption. And they're prosecutors who specialize in public corruption cases. And they're difficult cases to bring, and they typically involve informants or somebody who has been engaged in criminal behavior themselves, like paying bribes to a sitting official and then perhaps agreeing to wear a wire or, you know, otherwise there's sufficient evidence because they plead guilty and there's a grand jury and then there's, you know, enough evidence to go in and get a wiretap and, or financial records and then go trace the money and build an ironclad case. And I think that while I know there's a thirst, kind of a revenge, like thirst for convictions and prosecutions, what we don't want is to have a situation like where what happened to President Trump, you know, trumped up cases, concocted cases, BS cases. So you have to actually do the homework, put that ironclad case together, because you know what the other side is going to say. They're going to say this is politicized. That's said in 100% of cases involving public figures. This is political. This is not a real case. When we're seeing that right now, that kind of commentary with Letitia James and some others that are in the crosshairs of prosecution. And so I think that's what is happening here. And so it isn't enough that a public figure saw a news story five years ago that says that there's fraud in their state, that's not a crime. But tying them to it, tying them to either a financial motivation or a campaign finance motivation where they looked the other way, or they accepted a gratuity or some benefit, or they have an ongoing benefit including to their family or so forth that they arrange. Putting these cases together is important. And I can guarantee you that every single person working in the leadership of this DOJ would like nothing more than to bring righteous cases against corrupt public officials. But let me tell you a little kind of complex complication here. You know, the whole problem with this blue slip process that has been talked about. I'm sure you talked about it on your show. Well, it's kind of weird when you're in a blue state like Illinois or, you know, Minnesota or California, and the Democrat senators get a veto over who the prosecutor can be who might investigate them. That's an inherent conflict of interest. I mean, I can tell you, I could tell you actual sort of complex needs of fraud that I believe have been committed by Democrat public figures in California. And the blue slip process makes it such that nobody ever gets approved by those Democrat senators who isn't someone who they think is politically savvy enough to look the other way and not come after them. So that's why you see less of this. That's why sometimes these prosecutions have to occur from a different district or, you know, out of main Justice. And a lot of this stuff never comes to light because of that. So we do rely on public figures coming forward and trying to help us with these issues.

[Blake]

We got to take a quick break. Harmi, if you could stay with us. I want to talk about voting roles with you. Stay right there.

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Blake]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. A little bit of breaking news. The United States has just conducted its first land strike against Venezuela. President Trump has confirmed the military took out a drug facility resulting in a massive explosion. So we're going to keep our eyes on that. That's a little bit of Breaking news. So Harmeet, in the midst of this Venezuelan news and the BV Netanyahu news, you have news on voting integrity, voter integrity, as well as some gun cases that you're working. Please tell us about them.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Sure. Let's talk about the voting cases first. So a few months ago I started this process of requesting the voter rolls from all the states and territories in the United States and asking them to share them with us so that we could help these states compare their voter rolls against our government data and clean their voter rolls, which is a requirement of states under federal law, the Health America Vote act, amongst others. And so there was a lot of hemming and hawing, including from red states, a lot of back and forth and then some outright refusal to cooperate from many states. And so I am proud to report that today I'm in litigation with 22 states in the United States and that's actually 23 lawsuits because California has two lawsuits. I also have voluntary compliance from 13 states, including Texas and several others. And even on Christmas Eve, Andrew, I had secretaries of state uploading their data to the DOJ so that we could do our work on it and help them clean their voter rolls. And so we're, we're engaged in quarter and settlements with almost every state. I got North Carolina early on to enter into a settlement agreement with us to clean up over 100,000 voter records that had been improperly recorded and they didn't get the correct data about citizenship from those voters. I'm suing Georgia, including for the Fulton county ballots that we requested several months ago and that they refused to give us. So we're in multiple lawsuits over there. And of course, even after we filed that lawsuit in the same week we filed a lawsuit last week, all that news came out about hundreds of thousands of improperly recorded votes with inappropriate chain of custody and other indicia in Georgia. So it is really important work. We're excited about it. I wish I had more hands and more people at the DOJ to do this work. We are hiring very aggressively. So if anybody watching this is a lawyer who wants to come help their country in a tour of duty and help clean up our voter rolls and ensure election integrity, we're looking to hire people on that. And so I always keep people posted as people as states are refusing to give me their data. We get to a point where we know it's going to be they know we sue them and so we put our money where our mouth is. And you know, I would have thought when I got in there, Andrew, that I would have some template to pull from because surely the DOJ did this before.

[Blake]

Right, Right.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

They never did it before. No Republican administration or even Democrat administration did voter roll litigation before.

[Blake]

And I want to pause you there. This is something Blake brought up earlier that, you know, you look back at what Tom Emmer was saying about the Somali population 2015, we need them, they're more American and they're gon assimilate.

[Scott Johnson]

He said they assimilated better than any other group. And they were, you know, the Germans had done the exact same thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

He.

[Scott Johnson]

Yeah, that's what he said.

[Blake]

So. So that's what he said. But Blake made the astute point that now Tom Emmer is on Fox basically calling for prosecutions and accountability. And listen, I'm not necessarily letting him off the hook for being a part of the problem in the first place. What I am saying is the, the tone and tenor of the entire conservative movement. If you took a snapshot in 2014, 2015, and then you took a snapshot in the end here of 2025 going into 2026, the aggressiveness, the, the just conservative ness of the people in power and the people in charge, we are light years ahead of where we were a decade ago, thanks to President Trump, thanks to Charlie Kirk, thanks to people like you, Harmony. And so I just want to, I just want to make sure, as there's all this consternation and frustration in the base, it seems with lack of results, we are moving in a very good direction. We have Harmeet Dhillon at the DOJ suing states to clean up voter rolls and having massive results. The implications of that couldn't be bigger, Harmeet, because it's gonna affect the midterms, it's gonna affect 2028. That's huge. What states, I have to just ask, are the worst on the voter rolls? Who is fighting you the most? Cleaning up their voters? Is it California, I would presume, but.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

But, well, California is definitely in resistance mode. New York, Maine, you know, Illinois, the usual suspects. All these states where they don't require voter id, they don't. I mean, Minnesota, my goodness, you can, I mean, Scott Pressler, good friend of mine, posted about this yesterday, where you can go in and simply vouch for somebody's address. Like you can bring your eight Somali buds and, and say, I vouch for this person's address. That's all you need. You don't need a utility bill, you don't need anything but some potential fraudsters vouching. That's insane. Yeah, like that.

[Blake]

We're running out of time but I just want to say good work. We have your back 100% and thanks for the updates. Thanks for sticking with it and you know, thanks for educating people a little bit. I think that was important. We will have you back on again soon. Keep up the good work. We will see you all.

[Harmeet Dhillon]

Thanks for having me.

[Blake]

Yeah absolutely. Talk to you then.

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