THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW, DECEMBER 31ST, 2025

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Podcast Summary: The Charlie Kirk Show (December 31, 2025)

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Episode: The Charlie Kirk Show, December 31, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts
Featured Guests: Steve Bannon, Riley Gaines, Podcast co-hosts

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Episode Overview

This special episode of The Charlie Kirk Show serves both as a tribute to Charlie Kirk, following his assassination earlier in 2025, and a forum for in-depth discussion on the political, cultural, and generational movement he led. The episode blends reminiscence, policy debate, and activist insight. Steve Bannon joins to unpack Kirk’s legacy, offer analysis on American and Israeli politics, and discuss the future of populist conservatism. Riley Gaines shares her activist journey, reflections on motherhood, and commentary on women’s and family issues, while co-hosts moderate questions from a live audience at AmFest.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Honoring Charlie Kirk and The Growth of the Movement

Timestamps: [04:21]–[08:52]

• Opening Tribute: The show opens with Bannon and the host recalling the tradition of AmFest interviews with Charlie Kirk, reflecting on his relentless work ethic and the exponential growth of Turning Point under his leadership.

  “He would just start—a content machine. He was stuck because of COVID… then COVID went away, and he just kept doing it.”
  —Podcast Host [05:13]

  “Charlie was a... he managed by, ‘you guys figure it out.’”
  —Steve Bannon [05:53]

• Event Growth: AmFest, an event central to their movement, broke records with 31,000 attendees, showcasing the swelling support for Kirk’s vision of youth-led, populist conservatism.

  “We could have doubled it. Just to be perfectly clear, we could have sold 60,000.”
  —Podcast Host [07:26]

  “The breakout sessions, as you said, were Charlie’s... that was Charlie’s favorites. Because that's not people talking on stage. That’s actually getting things done.”
  —Steve Bannon [08:52]

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2. Charlie Kirk’s Political Legacy and White House Influence

Timestamps: [10:12]–[13:20]; [16:21]–[22:18]

• Advisor to the President: Bannon details Kirk’s behind-the-scenes influence during the Trump administration and the transition, especially on personnel choices and vetting for loyalty and ideology.

  “Charlie Kirk, I mean he camped out in Mar-a-Lago… I think one of the two or three key advisors to the president on personnel, particularly vetting who was MAGA and who… had President Trump’s back.”
  —Steve Bannon [11:45]

• Learning from Adversity: Discusses the importance of the years "in the wilderness" (after the 2020 election), where Kirk’s organization adapted, learned, and refined strategies to deliver electoral wins in swing states like Pennsylvania and Arizona.

  “Those four years, I would say, were the most valuable years of Charlie Kirk and Turning Point. Learning, using the ’22, not just midterms but the Arizona races, to learn more, to figure out what works and what doesn’t work, to continue to learn. And then ’24 have a machine that actually deliver…”
  —Steve Bannon [21:07]

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3. The Israel Debate — ‘Greater Israel’, U.S. Involvement, & Future of the Region

Timestamps: [22:18]–[39:53]; [44:09]–[50:41]

• Bannon’s Israel Stance: Bannon distinguishes between support for Israel and criticism of what he calls "Greater Israel" — a geopolitical ambition to expand Israeli control beyond internationally recognized borders. He criticizes Netanyahu for “radically” changing Israel, likening it to a “Jewish Pakistan.”

  “There are people in Israel that are fighting for this [Greater Israel]... I would say that Israel’s on the path to become a Jewish Pakistan, which is more a hardcore right ethno-state.”
  —Steve Bannon [23:04]

• US Military Aid: Argues for Israeli sovereignty without dependence on billions in U.S. military aid. Suggests U.S. direct involvement has enabled Israel to avoid making difficult compromises and fostered expansionist policies.

  “My recommendation… is that Israel's got to become sovereign and it doesn't need our $5 billion...I think that would take off the burden…”
  —Steve Bannon [29:09]

• Two-State Solution: Expresses concern that current events will lead to a “proto-two state solution,” heavily influenced by Qatar and Turkey. He advocates for the establishment of a Christian state/quarter in Israel, warning that without Christian inclusion, Israel may not survive long-term.

  “I’m a strong advocate of a Christian state. If you’re going to have two states…we should have our own. Because I think if you don’t get a Christian state in Israel…I’m not so sure Israel as we know it today exists in 20 or 30 years.”
  —Steve Bannon [31:25]

• Populist Core: Asserts Charlie Kirk’s deeply held “America First” stance—populist, nationalist, anti-globalist, and skeptical of neoconservative foreign entanglements.

  “To his core, although he came out of a very traditional Republican training, to his core he was a populist nationalist, America first and American Citizens First.”
  —Steve Bannon [33:23]

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4. The Structure of Power: Who Governs America?

Timestamps: [56:31]–[62:28]

• Deep State and Article II: Bannon stresses the importance of presidential powers (Article II powers) to challenge entrenched bureaucracies ("the deep state") and to implement rapid reform—a recurring theme in both his activism and Turning Point’s education efforts.

  “The central issue we have today is who actually runs the country…that was one of the things in the years in the wilderness that Russ Vought and guys came up with—that we got to maximize the Article II powers of the chief executive because that's ways to get things done, particularly in crisis.”
  —Steve Bannon [56:31]

• Critique of Elite Interests: He links foreign interventions, immigration, and trade policy to elite profit-seeking at the expense of working- and middle-class Americans.

  “Elites have made a tremendous amount of money in this system and they’re going to continue that until we actually take power away from them...”
  —Steve Bannon [57:32]

• Demographic Concerns: Warns of potential civil unrest in American cities, comparing immigration and demographic transformation to trends in Western Europe.

  “In France, they're five or 10 years away from a civil war...if they can take over Tarrant county and Harris county, they can flip Texas. And if they flip Texas, we can never win again.”
  —Steve Bannon [59:34]

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5. Riley Gaines: Women’s Rights, Motherhood, and Campus Activism

Timestamps: [69:39]–[77:38]; [81:20]–[93:09]

• Turning Point’s Personal Touch: Gaines expresses gratitude for Turning Point and Charlie Kirk’s authentic support during her foray into activism, emphasizing care for the individual behind the political messaging.

  “When Charlie and Turning Point reached out, it was different. It was in a way, in an effort to make sure that I was okay as a human being...”
  —Riley Gaines [70:30]

• Motherhood & Activism: Shares personal insight into balancing motherhood and activism, reflecting on how having children has deepened her sense of purpose and commitment to the movement.

  “Your life doesn’t end when you have children. What I have found...is your life really begins when you have kids, especially a little girl.”
  —Riley Gaines [72:58]

• Organizational Pro-Life Action: Praises Turning Point’s six-month maternity leave policy, viewing it as a meaningful pro-life stance, not just rhetoric.

  “So much so that in pro-life is not just the baby in the womb, it’s supporting moms before, during and after pregnancy...a six-month maternity leave policy for Turning Point employees.”
  —Riley Gaines [76:26]

• Culture Shift: Urges young people to embrace marriage and family earlier, challenging the pervasive cultural narrative that delays or discourages these milestones.

  “I think it’s really important to get started younger than you think, because you’ll wake up and you’ll blink and you'll be 30 and you’ll have no children and then all of a sudden you’re not married.”
  —Podcast Host [90:19]

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6. Audience Q&A: Faith, Youth, and Standing Up

Timestamps: [93:30]–[105:43]

• Birth Control & Questioning Orthodoxy
  (Audience Q at [93:30]): Gaines discusses her own past use of birth control, emphasizing her regret due to hormonal effects and highlighting a new generation’s willingness to question mainstream medical advice.

  “We are seeing a whole new generation of people who are willing to push back and question things…willing to question things like birth control, and I think it’s super duper cool.”
  —Riley Gaines [99:11]

• Faith as Guide Through Life’s Transitions
  (Audience Q at [100:21]): When asked about balancing faith and busy post-sports life, Gaines stresses the value of making faith central and living Christlike values in all spheres.

  “If you make living a Christlike life the priority, it's actually kind of cool to have a crazy schedule and do that.”
  —Riley Gaines [101:19]

• Keeping Momentum in Cultural Battles
  (Audience Q at [103:33]): On sustaining momentum in the fight for women’s sports and conservative cultural advocacy, Gaines asserts that lasting change starts in the home.

  “First and foremost, understand it starts in your house, not the White House…you have far more influence on your children and how they live their life as parents than who is in the Oval Office.”
  —Riley Gaines [104:01]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kirk’s Leadership:

  “He managed by, ‘you guys figure it out...he doesn’t want to micromanage.’”
  —Steve Bannon [05:53]

• On Movement Growth:

  “We could have doubled it. Just to be perfectly clear, we could have sold 60,000.”
  —Podcast Host [07:26]

• On US Foreign Policy:

  “We spent $9 trillion in the Middle East. We’ve lost 10,000 troops killed in action...So. And $9 trillion and the country’s just…”
  —Steve Bannon [28:24]

• Reclaiming American Culture:

  “The purpose for power is the rechristianization of our institutions. And that is the work that is the task for us at hand.”
  —Steve Bannon [60:02]

• On Family and Calling:

  “Your life doesn’t end when you have children…your life really begins when you have kids, especially a little girl.”
  —Riley Gaines [72:58]

• Advice to Young Service Members:

  “Take as many tough assignments. That building of your character is everything in that decade...The Marine Corps has perfected taking basic American citizens, young kids, and turning them into something that’s very special and very lethal.”
  —Steve Bannon [62:44]

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Major Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:21] – Interview with Steve Bannon begins; tradition, growth of AmFest, remembering Charlie Kirk
• [10:12] – Bannon details Kirk’s political advisory role
• [16:21] – Policy learning and movement adapts post-2020
• [22:18] – Bannon’s critique of “Greater Israel,” U.S.-Israel relations
• [29:09] – Advocacy for Israeli sovereignty and ending U.S. military support
• [33:23] – Kirk’s populist, nationalist core values
• [56:31] – Deep state, Article II powers, who runs America?
• [69:39] – Riley Gaines on Turning Point, women’s rights, family, and motherhood
• [81:20] – Gaines on response to Charlie Kirk’s assassination and her activism
• [93:30] – Audience Q&A (birth control, faith, sports activism, parenting)

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Tone and Language

The conversation is candid, informal, and occasionally irreverent, especially when discussing family life and activist travails. Bannon delivers his insights with characteristic intensity and detail, oscillating between critique of elite power and praise for grassroots organization. Gaines is heartfelt, vulnerable about her personal journey, and passionate about advocacy and faith.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode offers a behind-the-scenes window into the contemporary American conservative populist movement, honoring its fallen leader, Charlie Kirk, while sharp debates unfold on foreign policy, cultural priorities, faith, and activism. The tone is both somber and energizing, with Bannon and Gaines each providing personal and strategic reflections. Listeners will come away with a vivid picture of how this movement works—its personalities, guiding philosophies, and the next generation’s roadmap for activism and family life.

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[Steve Bannon]

Every day is a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Fear not, you found the place for.

[Steve Bannon]

Truth, the voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Without further ado, steve k. Bannon. Oh, he's got his Washington book. That's when you know it's serious. Officer on deck.

[Steve Bannon]

I like that. Seats. If you got them, smoke them.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Stephen K. Bannon, it's an honor to have you here. This was a tradition that started with Charlie. You guys would basically do this interview every amfest, sometimes Student Action Summit. And so thank you for making the time to sit down with us.

[Steve Bannon]

The first time it really hit me that I think I told you the first time it hit me that Charlie was gone was because, you know, I came to Utah those days and spent a couple days with you guys. But the first time it hit me was when you two came up to do the transition on the show, which we always do at AmFest Live. Right?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So, yeah, we were. We were texting about the night before, and you were the one who said, it's tradition. We have to do it.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, Charlie, you guys start the show spring of 22.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, on RAV. It was July 2022.

[Steve Bannon]

July 2022. And you guys have had the podcast. You'd had a show.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We started it in May of 2019, and we were just doing once a week, actually. At first, Charlie didn't think he could fit much more into his schedule. And then Covid happened, and he was like, let's do three times a week. And I was like, okay, here we go. And then literally within one week of doing three. Three shows in a week, he was like, okay, let's do five. Let's do five a week. We're gonna do five a week. And then it was like maybe more like 10. Eventually, he would just start just a content machine. He was stuck because of COVID We couldn't do as much as we. As we typically did. And you couldn't do.

[Steve Bannon]

It was no college tour or anything, so.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So he was just, like, making my life miserable. It was. It was amazing. And then Covid went away, and he just kept doing it and did all the other stuff.

[Steve Bannon]

Charlie was a. He managed by. You guys figure it out, right? Figured out.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Oh, yeah. Pure chaos. Pure insanity behind the scenes. You know, he picks people so that they can figure it out. He doesn't want to micromanage and just make it happen.

[Steve Bannon]

But look at this. What? 31am Fest was always so big and so intense, right? Student action. Someone's big, but it's got a different vibe to it, right. Younger crowd.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's mostly students.

[Steve Bannon]

Students. And in different breakout sessions, amfest, because you always have vice president, president, United States. I mean, the heaviest hitters you have in the political movement. But to know that you've got 31,000 and walking on that stage last night, when you look out there, see if people just see. I mean, it's got to. Did you fit like 20,000?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

You know, it's crazy that. That room, I think, maxes out at like 18 something. We received 21,000 in there for Trump last year on the Sunday. So he came as his. Remember, it was his first kind of event after winning the election. So he flew all the way out to Phoenix. Trump does not like to go west that much.

[Steve Bannon]

The trip he also doesn't overnight.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, right, exactly.

[Steve Bannon]

Everything's a day trip.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Exactly. So anyways, he came out for that 21,000. I think that's the most we've ever fit inside the actual. The main ballroom. So we're going to try and do something similar because there's. There was 31,000 people at this event. And I, you know, I told people, it's like, you know, somebody after Charlie died, kind of thought, oh, we should probably look at amfest tickets to see where we're at. And instantly it was like, I think we should probably turn off ticketing, you know, quickly. And so.

[Steve Bannon]

But we all. Because of the 31,000, you still have another list who couldn't even get tickets.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We could have doubled it. Just to be perfectly clear, we could have sold 60,000.

[Steve Bannon]

No, I remember this because we did. Charlie had come to us in August to make an early announcement. In fact, I asked Charlie, I said, are you Guys going to have the stadium this year? He goes, no, no. Same place. I go early says, no, we just want to do it. So we did announce it, like, on August 19th or 20th, and then by the time. Because normally we start selling them in October, and we always have a war room code, so our people get a special deal and get. So by the time everything got organized to really do the things and get the code, I think our team came in there and go, hey, it's actually sold out. Maybe we can fit some more people in.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, because Charlie was always, you know, we have this inside joke. It's always like, more, more. You know, in all our group chats, since Charlie's was. Was killed, just more, more. So turning off the ticketing for this event was actually pretty traumatic for us because.

[Steve Bannon]

Right.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

You know, you got fire marshal stuff. I mean, you saw night one. It was people. People were getting upset. They couldn't get into the main ballroom space, and it was just getting congested. I mean, there is a fire marshal for a reason. I mean, but is there an overflow?

[Steve Bannon]

Is that where the other 10.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, we have a bunch of overflow. And basically all the media row booths are going to be having it up. VIPs having it up everywhere that, you know, for JD especially, you know, guys like yourself, we want to make sure you can watch it in different, various places if you can't get into the venue. But it's. This is a good problem to have, and we're. We're gonna. We're gonna be creative with solutions in the future, certainly. But we've got some more surprises up our sleeves. So even for this event, the content.

[Steve Bannon]

Is great and the breakout sessions are made. When you look through that schedule, everything you guys put up, it's. It's amazing. And the breakout sessions, as you said, were Charlie's. That was Charlie's favorites. Because that's not people talking on stage. That's actually getting things done.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah, I saw somebody on Ex saying, like, well, it'd be nice to have some normal people. Instead all these, like, influencers up on stage. Like, have you looked at the breakout sessions? Have you looked at, like, everybody that's in the halls? I mean, okay, this is a populist movement, all right? You know, it's. I'll never forget one time I ran into Stephen K. Bannon at the Some hotel. We were passing each other in South Florida, and I was like, steve, are you coming to the gala tonight? He goes, man, I'm a populist. I'm not going to that don't do gala. Yeah. I was like wait, no bow tie. No. No black tie for you. I would love to see see you come into a new event wearing your your customary get up at a black.

[Steve Bannon]

I just, I just, I just a quasi wasn't total black tie event but I just gave away a Peter Navarro's bride.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yes.

[Steve Bannon]

At his wedding in Mar a Lago and I had, I had, I had a nicer version of this. They wouldn't have felt comfortable. It was very sweet. They, they, you know they got engaged I think while he was in prison.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So yeah, I know Maureen was your daughter was saying it was about time or something like that. I was like good for.

[Steve Bannon]

Good for Peter.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Steve, there's been a lot of chatter about some of the things that have been said.

[Steve Bannon]

Has there been.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I missed that little online chatter. It's mostly getting drowned out by the thing. No, no.

[Steve Bannon]

But it's also mainstream media. I mean the New York Times, Washington Post picked up Thursday night obviously media then they picked up last night myself and Megan and. And Jack. Right. So it's.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

What do you make of it?

[Steve Bannon]

Here's what I make of it. I think this is what I try to say last night and this is what part of the aspect maybe everybody didn't see a Charlie because people know Charlie from turning point in the summits and you know and am fest and doing all this stuff and going to do the. And doing you know change my mind. Right.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

All around me Wrong.

[Steve Bannon]

Prove me wrong. He couldn't change his mind.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Different influencer.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, different.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Different controversial online influencers. The who's great by the way.

[Steve Bannon]

The. But Charlie was also, I mean in transition. Well first off just in the campaign I mean because of his judgment and understanding how things roll he was one of the most senior advisors to the campaign and quite frankly I think given the grassroots nature and the turnout which won everything he was probably as influential as the campaign managers and other people because of knowing what to do then on the transition. Charlie Kirk, I mean he camped out in Mar a Lago. That's where you guys were doing this show.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

72 hours after the election he was on a plane to Mar a Lago.

[Steve Bannon]

And I think stayed virtually the whole time. He may come back a little. I think you guys were and having to juggle the show with the way he was doing. He was I think one of the two or three key advisors to the president of personnel of particularly vetting and who was MAGA and who. Who had President Trump's back then when the administration started Charlie spent, you know, and people didn't really understand this. He spent so much time in the White House. In the White House he's working with Sergio Gore on personnel also on doing the vetting because remember the guy get 3,000 people that are not don't have to be confirmed in. You got to hit the deck place front to flood the zone and days of Thunder also a thousand of the confirmation people all have to be vetted. Charlie was given senior advice and Trump respects his advice, respects the way he thinks his judgment at 31 years old. In addition, he's in big policy decisions. Why? Because people respect Charlie's opinion. I mean he comes at it with a certain sense of gravitas. He's really. And that shows you that from 18 to 31 those years, really in political combat, he just, he had a learning curve.

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[Steve Bannon]

100% American made and darn proud of it. The Charlie Kirk Show Everything you guys did wasn't perfect at first, including we first came to Breitbart when you guys first did the big turnout thing in 22 everything. But you're a learning organization. Your learning curve is like that, right? And it's just work and effort and Charlie and on policy. And so in these policy debates in the summer of 2025, Charlie Kirk was one of the most important people because Charlie's also a networker. He knows how to bring people together. He knows how to get the best ideas out of them. And so I think of what a lot of what you see on the stage and Andrew was a big First Amendment free speech guy and Charlie is too. I mean, there's nothing closer to Charlie's heart than open debate. But this is just not about, oh, is this guy in or that guy in or who's going to be, you know, even, even Vivek last night and Schneider and I respect both those guys. But they're talking about who's in, who's out. People are going to decide that. It's not for us to decide. People are going to decide that. And. But it's something deeper. It's not just are they in or out or able to talk, it's what are they Talking about, what are these big issues? And that's why I wanted to bring up one last night that Charlie was key on it. It's one of. It's one of four or five that we have to get decided, I think, relatively quickly. And that's basically who governs this country. Right. And I say this, I think from a position of strength, because as someone that's actually been in the field running media companies and. And being a political activist, I don't think anybody out there has a record better than mine than defense of Israel. I am a Christian Zionist, and I'm a Christian nationalist. Now, I'm not a Christian Zionist like some people are, but I'm a Christian Zionist and a Christian nationalist at Breitbart, bar none. At Breitbart, when I ran it, it was the biggest offender of Israel going. When I got to the White House, I was the lead on so many things, but particularly trying to get the Muslim Brotherhood, designated terrorist organization, of which I failed miserably. It was the hardest thing we did, and it got nowhere. The government, the. The deep state inside the government, shut it down. But really trying to move the embassy to Jerusalem, I wanted to do it day one. My whole plan for day one, it was shocking. Well, it was to have the president, because I wanted a populist. I'm not a big gala guy. I wanted. What I recommended was you have the ceremony and we give the speech and the things centered around the speech. In fact, we should take the podium about halfway through the speech and turn it around. And he would just talk to the. To the. To the deep state that's all sitting there in those things. Oh, no, no, no. Miller and I talked about it. Could you. And then you have the camera view of President Trump with a million people in back of him, and he's just lecturing these guys, right? Remember Bush said after the speech, that's some crazy. Just. Just in the speech, we're going to give it to him. Crazy. So we ruled that. But instead of having the big lunch in the Capitol while people are freezing, and President Trump really loved the parades. Just, let's start the parade. Don't spend two hours with the people freezing. Let's just do the parade immediately. Get it done. Go to the White House. Everybody come by in the parade. President Trump would love it. Then he'd go in the Oval Office, and the very first thing we would do is he would sign an executive order moving the embassy to Jerusalem. Very first act of his presidency, because it'd be so historic. Then he Would. We'd do some more work. He would go back to the Capitol and address Congress, Paul Ryan and these guys, and he'd lay out his agenda for the first hundred days and say, this is not what I'm proposing. This is what we're going to do. And you guys better get some racks in here because we're going to stay. You're going to stay around the clock for 100 days until we do all this.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That was. Charlie was really big on making Congress work.

[Steve Bannon]

Making Congress work. You go back and do it now, obviously, my plan was not chosen the best. I did and I went. They had a few galas, so. But it was fine. People wanted to celebrate and I thought it was great. President Trump in my plan would go to one ball, the Veterans Ball, and he and the first lady would dance and then she would dance with one of the veterans.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

But it's telling because the second inauguration is much closer to that.

[Steve Bannon]

They didn't flip the podium around, but.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That stunt of being in the Oval Office at the desk, just signing all of the executive orders, and he got to.

[Steve Bannon]

This is perfect. Here's the reason. Here's the reason. In 16, we had nothing. I mean, we won in a come from behind. I mean, on the, on the night before in the polling, we were still down. That was all turnout and people just coming out that people never realized. Low information, low propensity voters. The second time we had four years that. Those years in the wilderness. And this is why I keep saying 16 was providential. 20, the big steel was providential because it gave us the four years of the precinct strategy of Turning Point getting up to speed. Those four years, I would say, were the most valuable years of Charlie Kirk and Turning Point. Learning, Learning using the 22, not just midterms, but the Arizona races, to learn more, to figure out what works and what doesn't work, to continue to learn. And then 24 have a machine that actually deliver places like Pennsylvania and Michigan and Arizona. We needed those years. And that's why the shock and awe. In Days of Thunder, they had 15 executive orders because it had been years in the making. And that's what's, that was what's so powerful about where we are. But it's all providential. The 24 elections, providential. And that's why, you know, we've got to grind on here.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, so you got the bona fides as a pro Israel voice over many years, but last night you, you, you sounded a slightly different note.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, I don't think it's A different note, I think I'm actually a defender of Israel. You have these people that have made this two concepts called Greater Israel. Right? Greater Israel is not Israel. Greater Israel is a geopolitical entity that takes part of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Sinai.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

All the way in Egypt, the West Bank.

[Steve Bannon]

West bank all the way. All the. Oh, that's tiny. I'm talking about all the way into Iraq and has a defeat of the Persians as part of it. That's a grandiose plan. And there are people in Israel that are fighting for this.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

This is a real thing. Just so you guys know. This is a. This is a real backing with.

[Steve Bannon]

No, this is Netanyahu, remember, also, Israel's changing and you should talk to your friends in Israel. Israel is changing radically, I believe, under Netanyahu, who I think is just doing this for his own political survival, that I would say that Israel's on the path to become a Jewish Pakistan, which is more a hardcore right ethno state. And I think you see this from who's leaving Israel and going to Portugal and going to Spain and going to Greece to live. On top of that, there is a portion of the media and people here that are Israel first. They just are. And the perfect example was this, this current war that we went through. Everything about that war was a lie. We know that for a fact now. The whole intensity of having to bomb the nuclear facilities. He. Eventually Netanyahu had to give up the documents to his cabinet. Everybody go through it. And the times of Israel said it was two years. As you know, it wasn't two weeks, it was two years. They started a war that they couldn't finish. They were getting pounded. President Trump saved Israel because, remember, at the very first, you know, we sent Aegis cruisers into the Eastern Mediterranean with the air systems they have. We sent our Patriot missiles, our THAAD missiles. 25%. It was the US we were an active combatant in that war from the very first. An active combatant in the war. Now, on the offensive part, it wasn't just the B2s taking out, taking out the caves. I was in the North Arabian Sea in 1980 as a young naval officer on a. On a destroyer. The carry battle groups after the hostages were taken.

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[Steve Bannon]

They're saying that we, we still have essentially Carrie Bauer Group or submarines there today. It was the submarines. I think they were fast attack submarines that launched 30 cruise missiles, which is a technology from the 1970s that took out all the, all the surface facilities that the, that the Israeli Air Force couldn't take out. And President Trump didn't call it 12 Day War. The whole initial part of the, when Fox was going crazy, how much they were winning, how much they were winning on the previous Friday was a decapitation against the regime's head because they wanted regime change. And that would require combat troops, at least commandos. Charlie Kirk understood, as all of us understood, that's not the defense of Israel, that's the expansion of this Greater Israel. And we can't do it as a country. We spent $9 trillion in the Middle East. We've lost 10,000 troops killed in action. Right. Another 50,000 casualties, another five to 10,000 contractors. So. And $9 trillion and the country's just.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Not there in the carnage in the, in the personal lives.

[Steve Bannon]

And what's happened in the, yes. The ptsd, the suicides, plus what's happened to the country. My recommendation and Laura Loomer and Rabbi, you know, Rabbi Willicki is very close to Amfest. He's got a media thing here. Today's obviously observation. They're of the opinion, I am, that Israel's got to become sovereign and it's, it doesn't need our 5 billion. Right. They just said they sold, they sold a $10 billion thing of arms to Germany the other day. I mean, they're a very sophisticated defense industry. And I think that would take off the burden because there's going to be more constraints. And here's why I've always fought, always fought the two state solution. I've always thought that Israel would just be contiguous. And now we have a two state solution. You have a two state and the Wall street journalist winning the lead story has this like, it's like the Jetsons. It's this picture of the city of the future. It's got, it's all this stuff, you know, people on air, packs flying around. It's Gaza. It's a print of a present from a presentation that Jared and Witkoff just made to some financiers. I think it's 300 or $400 billion to rebuild Gaza into a Mediterranean resort, but state of the art. And in that a $60 billion commitment of the United States for Debt financing, it's just not going to happen. They've got now Qatar and I'm the most anti Qatar guy in the world. And Qatar, you should understand, has put a lot of money into Washington D.C. to change the opinion on Qatar. Qatar is the financier of the Muslim Brotherhood, full stop. And the Muslim Brotherhood is an absolute enemy to the Christian west, to our Jewish, Judeo Christian civilization, and particularly to the United States of America. Turkey second. So when President Trump even is signing the designation of terrorism, they want to do a study in Jordan, they want to do a study in Syria and they want to do a study in someplace else, leaving off Qatar and Turkey, which is centerpiece. So I think that has to go. So you've now created a, you have a proto two state solution in Gaza. You're going to have 2.2 million Palestinians you can have fully financed by Qatar, except for the money they're going to look from us. But you're talking hundreds of billions of dollars in Turkey, right. Who we drove out, you know, Lawrence of Arabia and the British army in the west drove out of the Ottoman Empire, drove them out 1917. We're basically inviting the Turks back in who controlled the two holy sites in Jerusalem, I think for a half a millennia. We're inviting them back in as the military. And so when I look at Ben and I look at Levin, I said, you guys created this, this was total overreach. And now you have a two state solution. And President Trump, let's be honest, they met yesterday in Miami to negotiate Qatar, Egypt and Turkey with Jared and with Witkoff. And what they're negotiating is both Israel and Hamas are both slow walking, trading in arms. And the reason is both, I think realize Netanyahu and Hamas, that once, once they get to the conclusion of phase one, they're kind of out, right? It changes over. To me, that's catastrophic. But that's what they brought on. This is why I'm an advocate and a strong advocate of a Christian state. If you're going to have two states, if you're going to have Israel and you're going to have part of Israel is going to be the beginning of a Palestinian state, which will be Gaza with the Turks and Qatar. To me, you got to take the Christian quarter of Jerusalem with Bethlehem and we start there, we should have our own. Because I think if you don't get a Christian state in Israel and get people feeling they have, you know, ownership of the Holy Land or some obligation as Christians, I'm not so sure Israel, as we Know it today exists in 20 or 30 years. And that's brought on not by people who are the defenders of Israel. That's brought on by people that bought into this kind of imperial Israel, expansionist Israel that was backed by what I call the Israel first crowd. And that Charlie Kirk, you know, people say, well, all the stuff, you know, Nick Fuentes and stuff like that, that's the surface and that's kind of the minor leagues. Below is about the policies, and below you have deep policies on the oligarchs, on artificial intelligence, on Israel, on the globalists, about Ukraine. There are five or six fundamental basic issues about who governs this country. And one thing I can tell you about Charlie is that to his core, although he came out of a very traditional Republican training, to his core he was a populist nationalist, America first and American Citizens First. And that's why he built Turning Point like he built it, right? It's you figure it out. Let these kids figure it out. They'll figure it out. And that's the core of populace. And so that's why last night I thought it was important to also. Let me be blunt. I've known Ben Shapiro a long time, right. I've just known him a long time.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Make sure you get this one in the mic here.

[Steve Bannon]

Oh, no, but he's just. Listen, in the, particularly in the year 15, after Andrew died and I took over Breitbart, we did have a slight change in editorial policy. It became more America first, it became more populous. It definitely became. Became more nationalist. If Andrew had been alive during that time of those transitional years, he'd have been right with us. His inclinations were to do that. That's why he, Andrew was the central figure of the Tea Party. The Tea Party was kind of the beginning of that. We didn't really have it formulated. Right. We had some huge election wins. Remember, we won 63 House seats in 2010. 63 House seats. Now, most of those members pretty quickly flipped into be Republican establishment, but at least it showed you there was a thirst out there, an appetite for grassroots that wanted change and want a pretty fundamental change. So in 15 and 16, when Trump came along, you know, Matt Ball, Tony Lee and I was running it, and you had Joel Pollock and Alex Marlowe, you know, all these people today who are very junior at the time. And, you know, Ben hated Trump and he was open about that. And I didn't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with other voices talking. He worked for never part of the company. But A contractor as an editor. And then you had this incident in Mar a Lago, which was a very marginal incident with Corey Lewandowski in a, in a, a stringer that we had hired. You know, he, he shoved her arm or hand or something like that. It was very confusing. I believe the testimony was he grabbed her, he suplexed her. Exactly that. Everywhere, blood everywhere. Because it was right before, it was right before Supertube Tuesday. And they wanted Trump. These guys were adamant that they had to do something to shop like Trump. And I just wanted going to stand for it. So the story goes, he either quit or I fired him. And there's probably a two minute gap between both of those happening. But. And he said Bannon's turn Breitbart and to Trump, Pravda and Megyn Kelly, I know she told the story last night when she asked those questions, which we would think would be pretty innocuous today. In the first debate on Fox, of course we went to high dungeon. Oh, this is awful. And I unleashed the dogs and to the fact that, you know, she had to get security. And Roger Els Comey says, you got to back off. I go, no, we don't back off. We have one, we have full all ahead flank. Because it was Trump that they were trying to take out Trump, the Bush faction, you know, Fox is very pro Bush to take him out. And I said we're not going to do it. And that stabilized. And Breitbart was his most powerful media thing. In fact, later Harvard, a year after the election, Harvard did a study on all media in the 2016 election because they hadn't figured out how they won. And they realized that with the Pepes and you know, we had meme wars. The meme wars. It was the meme wars because Trump really had no money and had no organization. So you had the Mike Cernovich, like Mike Cernoviches, the Memores, the Pepe's were all in social media. And Hillary Clinton gave an interview about two months ago. She said Bannon and those influencers at the time, before influencers were a thing over. And she had a huge operation. We just ran circles around him because it was self organizing and people would just, you know, intense Trump. And they said later that the most, the most important media outlet by an order of magnitude was not the New York Times or not the Washington Post or not the Nation or MSNBC was Breitbart for Trump. And I'm very proud of that is why I was selected to come into the campaign because we were Doing such a job I knew nothing about, only had 100 days ago and he's down, I don't know, 10 points. I didn't know anything about campaigns. I'd never been into a campaign office in my life. But we specialized in taking down Hillary Clinton, right? And so that was our. We had just done Peter Schweitzer's book, which I worked on with Peter, and Peter did the research and wrote it, everything. Clinton Cash had come out a year before and Bernie Bros were looking for a place to go. So we put a movie out. We made a movie called Clinton Cash. It was just like a video, but it got like 14 million views because it was put up for free. A lot of the Bernie Bros. Because remember, if you just get people to stay home, that's a vote. If you actually get them to come and vote for you, that's two votes. And all we wanted was those kind of Bernie Bros. Disaffected Democrats and union Democrats and independents who leaned working class of populace who weren't prepared to vote for a Republican just to stay home. And so we did that. My point is that then Ben made a big deal about not voting for Trump in 16. You know, this is, he was all over things. So I just don't, I don't buy it. It's just that they're pushing another agenda and that agenda failed. And not just that it failed. I kept warning them all the time on the show and behind the scenes, this is going to fail and the damage you're going to do to Israel is incalculable. And now we have it. And now we have a two state. For people that were adamantly against a two state solution. Just look at the Wall Street Journal today. They're going to build a city of the Future there with $300 billion of Qataris money and other money from the Gulf Emirates and from Saudi Arabia with a security force led by the Turks that have Egyptians and Saudi troops on that strip in Israel. So they brought it on themselves. And so I agree with Loomer. I think Israel ought to get their total sovereignty and their total independence. Like today in Syria, Waliki and the hardcore guys that kind of have a vision, they're not for what we're doing in Syria because the Syrian situation with the ISIS guy is really, that's a Turkish proxy, that's Erdogan's expansion program. And so when we're up there siding with them, a lot of the Israelis are saying, well, hang on, that's not helping us and not helping the Druze So I think they need their total full independence and they'll take care of themselves. They'll get on with it without constraints of the United States.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

One of the most common. I think they want us to go with Q A. Oh, do we need. We've been going for how many. That went quick.

[Steve Bannon]

Did I, did I dominate the microphone?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's what they're here for.

[Steve Bannon]

They're not paying for us.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So let me ask one last question here, though. One of the most common critiques that I've heard even just walking the floor, people talk to me about Israel, but before that as well, is there's a feeling that from the pro Israel side or the, you know, even if they are Israelis, but, you know, it could be Mark Levin, it could be whatever, that they want to get as much out of Trump out of these next three years. And it's a feeling like they're trying to maximize everything they can, even if it's going to torpedo the administration. Is that a concern that you have?

[Steve Bannon]

I don't think there's any doubt. I think.

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[Steve Bannon]

Newsflash Democrats. America has a republic, not a democracy. Fact check.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

True.

[Steve Bannon]

This was my complaint. I went back, you know, I tried to how to say this? Not bug the President by calling you on every topic, etc. When we talk, we talk for a length of time and I go see him very, very rarely. But when I do it's something important. And so people had asked me to come back and I went back two days before the bombing and we spent I don't like three or four hours. And with President Trump, one thing I will tell you he is the and out of my experience at Goldman Sachs of at Goldman Sachs, you're there to work with CEOs and chairman, right? He is one of the best listeners when you're in a meeting with him, he's not like talking all the time. He wants to hear what you have to say, competing ideas, he asks questions and he takes it on board. So we spent a lot of time that day and when I got there, who was there working? Who was in the. I got to the west, I got to the west wing a couple hours early. The person that set up the meeting, the lunch had asked me to come a couple hours early. And I walk in and who's sitting right there? Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk had been there on and off for two weeks. Right. You guys had to juggle all this stuff. And when Charlie was back at the White house, Charlie's working 12 and 14 hour days and part of it was still vetting and helping people to vet. But a lot of it was working on ideas that he felt the administration had to capture. On this one, when I got there, we had been talking and, and he had a very definitive plan on this very topic. I mean this was about. Because the thing. And he was adamant like I was. We could not allow ourselves to be pulled in to a regime change war. Also about regime change. You know this from our work on the CCP which you guys have been part of. I don't believe you can do regime change from the top. You can't go into decapitation. We can't just go in and take out the Chinese Communist Party. We just can't go out and take out the mullahs. We can't. I'm not a big believer. You just can go and take Maduro out. Other people have different theories and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. But you saw this in Vietnam when you know we were in, had a big commitment and all of a sudden it wasn't working out for us. It wasn't going. What did we do? The CIA assassinated Diem and then what happened? A complete disaster for their country and our country. Change has to come from the bottom. I'm all for cutting off all the oil, not allowing any of the Muller's oils to go to the Chinese Communist Party to cut them off. And so then you get revolutionary change. A decapitation right strike that then would lead to some civil war internally. We're going to get pulled into that. And that's a 10 or 20 year process with the ton of American cash, troops. But more importantly, time. It's opportunity cost. We have so many problems here that we have to solve. We don't have the ability to get the public's attention but more just the work of people there because they're working 16, 18 hour days anyway. They need all that energy to solve, you know, your rank order things. And Charlie was a huge believer in this. And so no, but I would say that there's no doubt that they're trying.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That was the biggest, their one chance is the logic.

[Steve Bannon]

But President Trump, here's the beauty of President Trump. He really thought through how to end it. Remember not to end it. He came out and named it. It was a 12 day war. When President Trump puts a brand on it, the brand sticks. Okay. It ain't a 13 day war. It's not going to be a 30 day war. And he was adamant. And then when Netanyahu, because remember, Netanyahu decapitated the team that Wyckoff was negotiating with the Iranians on that first night. And then when Netanyahu tried to go and decapitate the team negotiating for Hamas in Qatar, it crossed the line with Trump. Ever since then, just reality. Israel's been kind of a sideshow in this it's all been working thing. And now we found out last night in North Carolina there is no meeting scheduled over Christmas with Netanyahu. It's something he's thinking about. And the president says, I'm going to get it on the books. But this is how it's kind of gone.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

That's a signal.

[Steve Bannon]

It's a signal. And so for those for and there's listen, they're adamant. It's going to be their way. They're not going to back off this Greater Israel project. They're not going to back off Israel. First you're going to have, you know, we're going to have all kind of things, that's fine. But we have to be adamant. It's done. You guys brought it on. I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But there's a Palestinian state going to be set up with Qatar and Turkey. That's going to happen and we have to figure out how to work around that. And so no, I think there's going to be and I think if you walk around here and just talk to people, you'll get to feel that, yeah, certain forces are trying to get the most out of it in the time and we have to be ever vigilant to make sure country first. Yeah. And it's also about the access of the president to information. That's one of the great things.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

This is a huge untold part of the Trump admin. Trump. Well, you know, who knew the feedback.

[Steve Bannon]

Loop, you know who knew that better than anybody? Charlie Kirk. Charlie, you this listen, you have an operation that could put on a 31 that could double the size of already the most important conference in all the world for conservatives. And you doubled the size of that in a couple weeks, given the tragedy you guys had and the work you have to do to keep the show going at the level. And Erica, everything on her plate, and you can do it. And Charlie built that organization, had all that was starting to. Did the college tour in the spring and started another. Like I told Charlie said, dude, do you need another college drawer in the fall? You're doing so much. And when he's back in the White House, it's not just for getting people on board. It's the exact thing. It's making sure when I say he's a networker. Charlie was always making sure that the right people at the right time with Sergio were getting in front of the president. That lunch. They had tried to schedule that lunch for months, and I just wasn't in D.C. that much. And it was Sergio that came to me, and Charlie was working there the week before and said, hey, we need you here on Thursday. It's blocked out. And I go, okay, this is the things that the shooting star says, it's Thursday at noon, but come or come right for the show at noon, and we'll get you in there at 1 or 1:30, and we'll be here. Because Charlie was working with Sergio to make sure the president was getting a broader access. And another person who works in this, too, is the vice president, the vice president's Team Sarabian, and those guys constantly trying to get more voices in front of the president. And so I think that that is a thing we have to fight going forward.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. Let's get some Q and A. That's great, Steve. Thank you. Q and A. Do we have a microphone? Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Does that explain what I was trying to do last night?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Leaving out the. The nasty, snarky part, which, you know.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Me, I got to go there one of these days.

[Steve Bannon]

Charlie was very classy.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

One of these days I'm going to tell the story about when we start the. When we started the handoff. And I go, so you're gonna mention it.

[Riley Gaines]

Wow. Hi, Mr. Bannon. My name is Emma. My dad loves your show. We watch you every day. So as somebody.

[Steve Bannon]

Your dad. Your dad's a man of discernment.

[Riley Gaines]

So as somebody who was born in 2003, I was a day old when Osama bin Laden was killed. It feels like my entire life, it's been this confusing mess of endless wars in the Middle east, other than as a Christian I do want to protect our holy sites. Why does it feel like even in the conservative movement, we're constantly being dragged into all of these conflicts rather than focusing on all of our problems here and worrying about the midterms and putting America and American citizens first?

[Steve Bannon]

So it's a great question. It's a great question from the mouth of babes. One of the issues, one of the biggest issues, it seems like, is that so many of the problems that we have failed to solve or gotten dragged into have blown back and have come here now. I mean, the central issue we have today is who actually runs the country, right? Who makes the decisions? Who actually empowers the chief executive to make? And this is why the big focus on is Article 2 powers. Sam.

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[Steve Bannon]

I mean, the central issue we have today is who actually runs the country, right? Who makes the decisions? Who actually empowers the chief executive to make? And this is why the big focus on is article two powers. What are those powers? You watch the show. We've been adamant about that. That was one of the things in the years in the wilderness that Russ Vogt and guys came up with that we got to maximize the Article 2 powers of the chief executive because that's ways to get things done. Particularly in crisis. You still have a network, this kind of globalist system that people make an awful lot of money and have an awful lot of power. And having the United States as the kind of the security guarantee around the world. If you look at just take the Eurasian land mass quickly. You look from Europe to the to the Gulf and the Gulf Emirates, the Middle east around to the South China Sea and then up to Japan and Korea. Those four big nodes are the basic trading parties. In our states. We have, we have trading relationships, commercial relationships, capital markets, but it's also an American security guarantee. We have NATO, we're in the Middle East. And this is why we have a $1.2 trillion, you know, defense budget. Now those trade deals are upside down because we shipped all the jobs. It's worked to the detriment of the American people, the middle class and working class. But the elites have made a tremendous amount of money in this system, and they continue to make a tremendous amount of money in the system, and they're going to continue that until we actually take power away from them. And that's one of the reasons I fight. So they always want to focus on everywhere else. And quite frankly, they don't care. They just don't. They don't care about the American worker, they don't care about the American family. And you can tell this by their policies of immigration. They're always trying to, whether it's. Whether it's mass illegal immigration from Mexico and from Latin America to drive down the wages of African Americans. And Hispanic American citizens at the lower end are flooding the zone with these bogus H1B visas and all these visa programs so that kids coming out of college have to compete against the world here in the United States and drive their wages down 50%. So the problems that we have been involved in the world have kind of come back to us now. One of the biggest problems we have here today is that we've looked the other way for years on this Marxist jihadist coalition and this Red Green coalition that people like Frank Gaffney and Trevor Loud and others have been warning people about for 20 or 30 years is now a reality. You see that in New York City with the new elected mayor. You see that in Chicago, where they forced out ice. You see it in la. You see in these sanctuary cities that are basically independent, and we have 15 or 20 million illegal aliens here, and they're not about to be deported. In fact, they're going to do everything to stop that. That's the force. And now this is why we're making such a big deal about Texas. In Texas. And we had on the show today in the audience, one of the women fighting this in the United Kingdom, because people in the United Kingdom will tell you in England and In France, they're five or 10 years away from a civil war, right? They've allowed it to go on so long, and so we have to nip it in the bud. We've allowed it to get out of control in Dearborn, Michigan, it's going to be very tough to deal with Minnesota. In Minnesota, look into some Mayans. But in Texas, it's just beginning. They're building two mosques a month. And here's Harris. Harris county and Tarrant county are the two. They realize if they can take over Tarrant county and Harris county, they can flip Texas. And if they flip Texas, we can never win again. So that's why on the. On. On, on. I just announced January 9th. Because this is how we play at the war room.

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[Steve Bannon]

We're bringing. We're bringing Gert Builders, the hardest core anti Islamist in Europe, the Netherlands, a guy that has been hardcore. We're bringing him to Plano, Texas on the 9th. And we're throwing down hard. We're having him as a speaker. They're going to go crazy. Look, the message of Charlie Kirk and his work, if you cut through everything, is that Charlie, and this is what I said last night, he's a Christian martyr and therefore a Christian saint. Even more than an American patriot, he understood that the country's gone through a de. Christianization process over the last 60, 70, 80 years in that the purpose of power is not power for power's sake. The purpose for power is the rechristianization of our institutions. And that is the work that is the task for us at hand. And so I think that. And I think we can not just think. I know we can do it. We've won seven of the last eight. They will never tell you that since, since 2015, when Trump really came on the scene, there have been eight national elections, either primaries, off year elections, which is a national election for Congress, or presidential elections. We've had eight, we've won seven. Okay? And I'm telling you we can. It's very doable for us to win this year, and here's why. I believe the bets we made on the economy are going to start paying off, and that's when it's going to get ugly, when they can't fall back on affordability or playing by the rules and some economic argument. It's going to get Charlie Kirk type of nasty, the way they treated him everywhere he went. So we just have to hunker down, understand we had one of the greatest leaders. I think if you look at history, that Charlie is as close to the revolutionary generation, where you had many of the stars. The revolutionary generation were in their 20s, late early 20s to maybe early 30s. Charlie Kirk has had more impact on our country for his age than anybody really, from the revolutionary generation. So you guys have here, right? So, you know, we have to pick up the mantle. It's a, you know, cry havoc and unleash the dogs of information war. So. Well said. Great question.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Hi, Mr. Bannon. My name is Cole. I am a high school senior and I plan to ship out for Marine.

[Steve Bannon]

Corps boot camp this summer. Amen. Thank you.

[Riley Gaines]

I was wondering what your advice would.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Be to find political and just general success following military.

[Steve Bannon]

Military service. Thank you. What I would do. You're making the. Every time I talk to audiences, I say, do this. I served eight years in. It's just. Just go out. The first thing you should do is either enlist or if you're in college, go be an officer in the military. And here's why. The most formative decade of your life is your 20s. It's one of the reasons of the crisis we have today, because we are taking away opportunities from people in this late family formation, late home ownership, and even learning, you know, as an apprentice, as an artisan, a profession. In your 20s, the best thing you can do is in the military. Don't worry about your political future going forward. Just hit it every day. Take as many tough assignments. Go travel the world. If you got an assignment that takes you overseas, take it. If you got something that's particularly hazardous, take it. That. That building of your character is everything in that decade. And you're going to a place that is one of the finest institutions, remember, in 250 years. It's like the Royal Navy. Why is the Marine Corps so special? Because the Marine Corps is going to strip you down of all your false ego and get back to the core of your character. And it's a tough process, but they're going to build back up through daily actions. And daily you're holding yourself accountable and working as a team. Remember, in the war room, when somebody comes to work for me, I make them watch a film called 12 O' Clock High. It's about the 8th Air Corps in the first days of World War II, about. In situations like this, it's all about working together as a team. Right. As imperfect as you are in the sacrifices that have to come with that, because working as a team means supplementing some natural human tendencies. The Marine Corps is the perfect institution. As a Naval officer, we're pretty good and the Army's pretty good. But the Marine Corps has perfected, taking basic American citizens, young kids, and turning them into something that's very special and very lethal. So don't worry about your career going forward. Maximize every day you're in the Corps and you'll turn out fine.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Steve Bannon, everyone.

[Riley Gaines]

Yes.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Thank you, Steve. Thank you very much.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Thank you, guys. By the way, I'm so proud of what you guys have accomplished and all the grief you've gotten and all the hate you've gotten. It is amazing, this conference. Look at the energy, look at the kids. We're in good hands.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Amen. Thank you, Steve. Oh, hey, Riley. I was going to give you. A formal introduction. Go back. Go back. No, you can come in.

[Riley Gaines]

So sorry.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Is everybody having a good time? Are we excited about Riley Gaines? The Riley Gaines, formerly known as an all American swimmer and now known as just an all around amazing person, an amazing American, an advocate for women's rights. What aren't you known for now?

[Riley Gaines]

Being a man.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And she's quick on her feet, too.

[Riley Gaines]

I don't know about that.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Not just in the swimming pool.

[Riley Gaines]

No. That was like. Yeah, well, that's why I went to swimming is because I didn't have to be quick on my feet. You don't have to be very, like agile. It's all in the water.

[Steve Bannon]

It's all in the water.

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[Steve Bannon]

Letting everyone know Socialism sucks.

[Riley Gaines]

The Charlie Kirk Show Us swimmers. We're typically not that good at land sports.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Get like bad balance or something.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So Riley Gaines, you have had a front row seat to Charlie Kirk to Turning Point for I think like three years now, basically. Is it three years? Yeah, two and a half.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah. Three. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I spoke out in March of 2022. So gosh, three and a half. Turning point was very quick to offer me guidance and resources and encouragement in a time where I knew nothing, honestly nothing about the political sphere, nothing about our government. I'm ashamed to say it, like never took a government course. I mean I literally knew we had three branches and that was the extent of my knowledge. Didn't know what they did. I still don't know what they do. I don't even think they know what they do half the time.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

What is that to say? Yeah, that's why they all retire before finishing.

[Riley Gaines]

But Turning Point and Charlie specifically was very quick to reach out in a way that was different than other people who were reaching out. And I feel like I have a fairly decent amount of discernment and Very self aware and can pick things out in a time where it was, I guess, politically expedient, the topic of keeping men out of women's sports. There were lots of people who claimed the slogans of faith, family and freedom who were quick to reach out. But I could see it as they were using our experience as an opportunity to capitalize, which I even appreciated at the time because anyone talking about it was a good thing in my eyes. But when Charlie and Turning Point reached out, it was different. It was in a way, in an effort to make sure that I was okay as a human being because Charlie understood, like, I know it's hard to read these things that are being said online about you. We just want to make sure you're okay. We're here for you. Different than anyone else who had reached out. So it was a very quick, I think, relationship that had been developed between myself and Turning Point and one that has really fostered and grown over the past three years.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, you've been an amazing advocate for not only Turning Point, but for, and not only women's rights and you know, obviously for protecting women's sports and all of these things. But you have become a political powerhouse.

[Steve Bannon]

You.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Women's sports and all of these things, but you have become a political powerhouse. You have become somebody that a lot of politicians want to bring to Washington D.C. and testify at their committee hearings or get behind their campaign. And what's fascinating to me is that despite all of these things that you could do with your time, I have seen you more and more and more at college campuses. You had that terrifying experience at San Francisco State University, which was speaking at a Turning Point chapter. You had every excuse to not double and triple down on the campus activism and doing the things that Charlie was doing. I remember you were at, you went back to San Francisco State, right? And you did a proving wrong with Charlie was last year.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And so you, you have, you have not shied away, you have not shrunk back, you have gone even harder.

[Riley Gaines]

Well, we can't right Otherwise. I mean, you think about it, you think about all of the different spheres that the left has acquired and runs, certainly media, mainstream media, these academic institutions, healthcare even, which is supposed to be a place that is totally not biased or have anything to do with the polarization and the politicization that we've seen even in healthcare, our government, the list goes on. They've acquired all of these spheres. So of course, anything that I can do as just say one person. Now, I don't Know if I can call myself a recent graduate, I'm getting kind of old. But, yeah, I know, me at the ripe age of 25, I'm, like, married with children now. I'm getting up there. But anything that I can do, goodness gracious, I'm willing to do it. My husband and I, we welcomed our daughter into this world about 10 weeks ago, which is super cool. But Even in those 10 weeks, seeing the necessity and the urgency of getting on campuses, high school campuses, college campuses. And so she went with me to 10 different campuses. Even this semester, she's traveled to 15 states. She's met the president, she's been to the White House, she's been to Mar? A Lago. She's going to be really dangerous at Two Truths and a Lie one day. So all that to say to speak to the importance, of course, of campus activism and reaching the youth, but also to speak to motherhood as well and how. I think the best way to describe our little baby girl, Margo, at this point in her life is portable and adaptable. And your life doesn't end when you have children. What I have found to be the case, and certainly what. What Charlie spoke to is your life really begins when you have kids, especially a little girl. Gosh, I look at her and it's just the most magical, transformative thing I think that as a woman you could possibly go through is being a mom.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So, yeah, and I remember when we had our first. Our daughter, she's seven now, but she.

[Steve Bannon]

We.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We were like, you know, you're kind of like a accessory. We can just sort of. Yeah, it's like a handbag we can take you with wherever you want. Well, it gets trickier with two, I will say, because then you got to play a little man on man defense. The third, then it's like, zone.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah, you're outnumbered at that point. You're outnumbered. Yeah, but it's so true.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Like, you'll figure it out.

[Riley Gaines]

You know, I've realized, like, it's pretty hard to kill them. Like, she doesn't want to die, and I don't want her to die.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Therefore, like, I'm not convinced they don't want to die. I feel like they should say, like, oh, it's like a, you know, like the, you know, let's put our finger in the socket or let's run downhill when we could barely walk. Lots of different things, but, yeah, we'll get there. They are pretty resilient creatures.

[Riley Gaines]

Yes, they are. So she rocks. She's here. She's an amphitheater. So she can now say, I don't know, she might be the youngest person at Amfest.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We have a lot of.

[Riley Gaines]

I know, I know. I've seen a bunch of little.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

We have a. I think this is a weird way to say it. We have a nursing room because there are nursing mothers here at Amfest and we want to make sure they have a place too. So. But yeah, we encourage families. We're very pro family. Pro family. Even in the workplace. Daisy's about to have a baby. So give it up for Daisy. She's around here somewhere. Marina, our CMO is about to have a baby and I'm terrified of both of them going on maternity leave. So pray for us.

[Riley Gaines]

Which Turning Point. Now, I actually spoke to this on stage and I think this is important in the context of understanding how, yes, of course, the values that Charlie and Turning Point stands for are pro life, but so much so that in pro life is not just the baby in the womb, it's supporting moms before, during and after pregnancy. And so one of the super awesome things about Turning Point and what they've implemented, what Charlie was working on prior to his assassination is murder. But what they've implemented after is a six month maternity leave policy for Turning Point employees. If you've been at the company for a certain amount of time. And so you'd be really hard pressed to find that sort of policy anywhere else in any realm, any career. And so again, it shows how it's not just words or a slogan. Like, these are things they. They really mean and they really live by. So I think that's super awesome.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

If you're gonna go as hard in the paint as Turning Point and Charlie have about having babies and getting married, you probably should put your money where you want this. I think that's only fair. People would start calling out the illogical inconsistencies. But no, we are super. You know, it's fun having those conversations with Daisy and Marina. It's like, listen, whatever you gotta do, like that is the most important thing.

[Steve Bannon]

Thing.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

And keeping the first things, the first things.

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[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So talk about. Because one of the things, I mean, when Charlie was assassinated, you know, I think Blake and I were so close to it that, I mean, it was. I saw all this media, and I could barely look at it, honestly. I barely opened my phone for the first couple of days. And as a matter of fact, Mike, I got so many phone calls and texts that my phone stopped working. And I was kind of huddled in this. It felt like a bunker, you know, just trying to do the. Every 15 minutes. Just get through every 15 minutes. And, you know, you were one of those people that I noticed in the immediate aftermath that you just stepped up and you did more things. It felt like you. I saw you more vocal. I saw you more defend. You were defending Charlie. You were advocating on behalf of the organization, on behalf of the country. Country. You were speaking out. Tell me what it was like for you to be in your position in the immediate aftermath. What was that? What was the reaction? And where's your headspace now?

[Riley Gaines]

It's one of those moments where, of course, you'll never forget where you were. Which, being 25, I don't think I have too many of those in my life. First when President Trump was shot, and now this. I was actually in line at Chick Fil? A. I was in the Chick Fil? A line. Don't tell Alex Clark. And I was inside the building, and I was waiting in line. And actually, it was. I was getting a call from my boss at Fox, and I didn't think anything of it. I was out doing stuff, about to order, didn't answer my phone. I get another call. He called right back, still didn't answer. And I get a text, and it said, hey, are you okay? Are you in Utah? And I knew, of course, about Charlie's campus stops. And I'd been following online, very excited. Bear in mind, at this point, I was 38 weeks pregnant or so. Right. And so, you know, by all means, in the chaotic and unconventional schedule and career, I guess, that I have, like, maternity leave, whatever that means. Anyways, in line. Are you okay or are you in Utah? Didn't cross my mind. And so at this point, I call him back. I'm like, hey, what's up? He's like, I'm so sorry. And at this point, I had no idea what he was talking about. I'm like, what? What's going on? He says, charlie's been shot and it doesn't look good. And it was at that point, you know, even still saying that out loud, it gives you just chills over your body. It was at that point I went to X and I opened X, which I wish desperately I never did, because you're immediately met with a video. And I had convinced myself that it was A.I. honestly, I'm like, oh, that's not real. Like, that can't be real. I turn off my phone. It was in the. The, you know, few hours following that, you hear the news that his life was prematurely ended by a coward. Initially, it's total shock, right? And just disbelief. Disbelief that something like that could happen, that he's really gone. Disbelief that in the immediate, you're seeing people online who are celebrating, like. Like total disbelief. And then that night, you go to bed and you really can't go to bed, and you just think of Erica and you're thinking of his children. You're thinking of the future of the company. There are so many questions. How, you know, what does this mean for the nation? He was such a profound and important and influential, the most effective of voices for our time, and he's gone. What does this mean? And so it was kind of like eight hours of, like, you're in and out of sleep. You're kind of like in this constant state of prayer. It was really weird. And then it turns to grief and tearfulness in the next few days, and then it turns to anger, honestly, and rage again. When you see the things that were being said online by peers, even knowing what they thought about Charlie and his assassination, it makes you think, well, gosh, what would they say if I was assassinated? These are people who I know in my life, and they're celebrating this. Healthcare workers, government employees, school teachers, the people who are trusted to educate your children, celebrating this, who you trust to. To save your life if you were in a, you know, a dire medical situation. They're celebrating death. But I will say I went to the memorial service, which it was on my due date, so you can imagine my OB GYN when I tell him, hey, I've got to get on a plane. Actually, at 40 weeks pregnant, he honestly totally understood. He's like, look, Riley, this is like, it's our nation's loss. I'm gonna print out your paperwork for you. God forbid you give birth in Arizona. Here's your papers. Go to a hospital. They'll know what to do if you Give birth on the plane. Tell your husband to watch YouTube videos before you take off. I still remember being angry, though, honestly, walking into the memorial service. But watching as Erica. Well, first, it was so cool to see so many publicly elected officials proclaim the name of the Lord in front of. I mean, tens of thousands who were there, but millions who were watching online. That was amazing. But to see Erica in what you have to imagine is the hardest moment of her life. Forgive her husband's assassin. 11 days, I think it was, after he was murdered. Like, what a beautiful display of forgiveness, of strength of compassion that I think only God can provide a grieving widow so soon after her husband had been killed. And so that was kind of like a pivotal point where it wasn't really anger anymore, of course. There's still the level of disbelief and grief, of course, but it was feelings of hope and optimism and inspiration for the future. And that's where I'm at now, of course, being here at Amfest, seeing so many people, young people especially in the audience, smiling ear to ear. We just did the student meet and greet, and they estimated there were 2,000 kids lined up to say hi to me, which is, like, the craziest thing ever. I've literally only said there are two sexes. Like, I don't know. I'm really not that cool.

[Steve Bannon]

Did you do that when you were in third grade?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

They're like, what do you want to.

[Steve Bannon]

Be when you grow up?

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I want to be famous for saying there are boys and girls. That's actually really cute.

[Riley Gaines]

Riley did that in kindergarten. So, yeah, third grade was way too late.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Then you had your baby.

[Riley Gaines]

Then we had the baby, which that whole process was and is still just the coolest, most fulfilling, purposeful, satisfactory thing I will say. I honestly, of course, one of Charlie's messages that he gave on campuses and beyond was to have kids, get married, have kids as young as you possibly can in your married life, and as many as you possibly can. I was scared to get pregnant. I think a lot of women really are because you hear all of these awful horror stories of pregnancy and the delivery, and then you'll be sleep deprived for the rest of your life, to infinity, once you have a newborn. I'm here to say none of those things happened to me. None of them. I had the best pregnancy ever. No morning sickness, no tired, no fatigue, no aversions, no nothing. I literally live my life as I did prior to conception. The labor and delivery process a breeze. She was here in, like, 10 minutes, easy peasy. And now I know there's, like, so many moms who are like, shut up. I hate you. But I think it's important.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Do we have a security barrier right here? Because we're about to get the stage rushed.

[Riley Gaines]

I think, honestly, it's important for women to hear that there are good stories, too.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I totally agree.

[Riley Gaines]

And we live in this. And that's not to discount the things that can potentially happen and do happen to women. I'm not here to discount that, but I am here to say my experience was not like that at all. And my baby, I think we just gave birth to a perfect little human. She has slept fully through the night since day one. Never one time. I know I need to, like, knock on wood.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Seriously. Security.

[Riley Gaines]

Everyone says, just wait until the second, which, I'm a second child. So if, you know, karma is real, it's coming after me hard. But it's been a dream.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Honestly, I totally agree with what you're saying. I. I definitely had so many people warn me, and they're like, oh, you know. And then, by the way, they would do this with marriage, too. By the way. Did you notice this? Like, just. You gotta tell the wife what to. You know, they would. There's, like, culturally, we've built into the vernacular just a constant degradation of the institution of marriage. We just. You know what I mean? It's like, we just downgrade it. We downplay it, we mock it, we laugh about it. And, like, okay, some of that's fine, sure. But that's why it's so important to have strong voices like Charlie, like you, hopefully, like, this show that say, no, these are the. These are the best things. These are the best things in life. And I can tell you, I mean, after Charlie was assassinated, I didn't see my family for, you know, weeks on end because I was traveling around. I was, you know, they were living in a different place. I had to worry about security. And when I finally. Finally got to just, like, see them, like, and have my three little ones tackle me, literally tackle me, and just. They had no idea what I had been through. They had no idea what we had been through and just tackled me, smiling, tears. They started crying because they missed me, and I missed them. There's like, why would you downplay how wonderful that is? Why would you try and warn people against that experience? And we do need to do a better job just as a culture. And I think that is changing about, hey, have. Have kids. Have them as young as you can. I mean, I'll never forget the interview with Tucker. That's gone viral like 48 times with Charlie. He goes, you know, take a job you can't, you're not qualified for, you know, have more kids than you can afford. Live boldly, don't waste time. And I think just that message is, is powerfully transformative to our culture. And now you can actually be a living embodiment of that. Because, you know, 25, I mean, I was living in LA at the time, and I don't think any of my friends had kids at 25. And I think it's really, it's really important to get started younger than you think, because you'll wake up and you'll blink and you'll be 30 and you'll have no children and then all of a sudden you're not married. Did you ever hear anything like that from people who even would say, oh, you should wait to have kids because it'll mess with your incipient media career.

[Riley Gaines]

Or any of that 100%. Or people who just say, even friends in my life, friends who I love very dearly, who would classify themselves as conservative, even, who say that, you know, well, we just need to find the right time. Let me tell you. There is no, like, right time to have kids. You'll never reach that point. No, no, you'll never reach that point.

[Steve Bannon]

There isn't a right time. There's a limited time.

[Riley Gaines]

Exactly. Precisely. But yes, you do have people who tell you those things, which my husband and I, we were married for. We got married in 2022, which is even that in and of itself. Like, you don't hear of people who are engaged at 21 years old anymore. We were engaged and married at 21. Waited a few years to start, you know, trying to have kids. And maybe this is tmi, but I had delivered the baby. My legs are still in the stirrup. I'm like, okay, I'm ready for another one. And my doctor's like, Riley, I've never heard someone in the state that you're currently in say that.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So I.

[Riley Gaines]

So I'm like, no, I'm. Let's do it again.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

So Irish twins.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I would love that. Yeah. The last appointment, though, he was, because, you know, you go back for follow ups and they, you know, just making sure you're good. And he says, Riley, like, you really should wait his timeline. He said, you need to wait until April. I said, we'll see about that. I've never been very great at following directions.

[Steve Bannon]

So you're good.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

You're good at one thing. Speed.

[Riley Gaines]

Yeah. Yeah, Unless it's against a man.

[Steve Bannon]

Oh.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

There's some inappropriate jokes in there somewhere, but we're gonna skip them. I don't want to have to fire myself today. So get a few questions. Yeah, let's do some Q and A with Riley.

[Steve Bannon]

We have another interview coming up, so.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Emma should be out there. We've got a first question over here. Emma.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm coming.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Okay.

[Steve Bannon]

Hi.

[Riley Gaines]

I have a question for Riley, which, by the way, I'm a huge fan and I know you say you shouldn't be famous for just. Just saying there are two genders, but I think that's really important this day and age, especially for young women. As myself, and I want to ask you, as a Christian woman, I've heard a lot of different opinions on this from my peers and from older women, and I know this is a little bit of a personal question, and I apologize for that right off the bat, but what is your opinion on birth control? Because I know that it's quite controversial, especially in the groups that I associated.

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[Riley Gaines]

You can approach this conversation in two ways, and I'll answer in two ways. Number one, in the position of being pro life, how do I feel about birth control? Actually, I'll be totally transparent here. I was on birth control in college. Not for anything other than the fact that when you're competing at the level of which I was competing at, it was really just to regulate your menstrual cycle when you have big competitions and you can have some sort of hand in controlling that. Like to be totally transparent. I regretted it though, after the fact, more so because of how it affects your hormones. Someone who speaks really well to this, of course, is Alex Clark and the effects of the birth control pill on your hormonal cycle. And so I wouldn't do it again. Obviously now I'm in a marriage and would have no problem having more kids. So on that front. But I have a lot of friends who feel the exact same way. And I will say I think it's super duper cool now that we have A whole generation of people, like our generation, who are willing to question these things. Right. I would imagine some of you moms who are out there, maybe grandmoms who are out there, maybe you were on birth control and you didn't think anything of it because your healthcare provider said, oh, if you don't want to have kids, and you didn't question it because you trust that your health care provider has your best interest at heart. Right. We are seeing a whole new generation of people who are willing to push back and question things. And I saw that when we were talking about vaccines for our daughter. Super cool to see some of the stuff come out of HHS surrounding the Hep B vaccine and the correlation between children or infants, newborns who receive that, and different allergies or allergens that they have.

[Steve Bannon]

Have.

[Riley Gaines]

We're seeing a whole new generation of. Of kids, really. At least I feel like a kid. Maybe I'm not a kid anymore. I feel like a kid who are willing to. To question things like birth control, and I think it's super duper cool.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

I also just want to say I think it's weird that, you know, women, young girls as young as, like, 13, get just automatically prescribed birth control to help with, like, I don't know, cramps or something.

[Riley Gaines]

And they do weird.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

It's been normal for a long time. But then when you take a step back and you're like, wait, why do we do this for little young girls? Like, that's weird. I think it's culturally weird, and we need to call it out. It doesn't mean that. I mean, I'm not gonna give you the opinions that Riley or Alexis.

[Riley Gaines]

No uterus, no opinion.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Yeah. I could just tell you from a common sense perspective, it seems very weird. Okay, where do you want to go next, Blake?

[Steve Bannon]

Oh, there we go. All right.

[Riley Gaines]

We're on the side.

[Steve Bannon]

You want.

[Riley Gaines]

So I was wondering, as I was a college athlete and I know you were big in your athletic career, I feel like the world is very big around trying to make your skills schedule as busy as possible. And I think that poses as a big threat to our faith and also to developing families. I was wondering how you, like, just manage that when you were done with your sport and what that transition was like for you. Well, of course. I mean, faith is central to my life. I think there's opportunities in every sphere to highlight your faith and to. To live by your faith. And so while we have these demanding, crazy schedules, if you make living a Christlike life the priority, it's actually Kind of cool to have a crazy schedule and do that. I've been so inspired recently. We talk about this cultural revival that's happening, that has been happening, I think, intensified in the last three months following Charlie's assassination. But even on the football field, you know, of course, with college football playoffs and different things, to see so many players proclaim the name of the Lord like it's the coolest thing ever. So I think in every sphere and sector of life, there's an opportunity to. To speak to God's goodness, to. To his grace, to how he sent his son to live on this earth, who died on the cross for our sins, who rose again three days later with the hope and the promise of eternal life. That's a really cool thing. And if you can, can, can have the opportunity to say that on every stage, there's lots of people who can have their hearts and minds changed and brought to the Lord. But in my personal life now, it's been cool, I think, especially being married young, because being tested in the way that I feel like I've personally been tested in, it gives you the opportunity to grow spiritually, individually, but also being married, it gives you the opportunity to grow in your faith together. And so that's been the biggest blessing, as well as kind of having an accountability partner in your spouse. So that's kind of my take. There is faith first and foremost, which Charlie said this. One of the things he would say is God, family, country, in that order. And I think that's a fantastic mantra to live by.

[Podcast Host / Interviewer]

Well, and, you know, Charlie's book that just came out, Stopping in the name of God, you know, take a Sabbath, take a rest. And it's not a. It's not a. It's not a negative thing. It's a blessing. It's a. It's a, you know, cease. Cease your action so you can focus on your faith, so you can reflect on what God is doing in your life and doing in your heart. So definitely take. Make it a discipline like Charlie did. If you get. If you find yourself so busy that you're spinning out of control and losing kind of your grounding, especially, really, it's a gift to you. It's designed to be a gift to you.

[Steve Bannon]

I think we have time for one more.

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[Steve Bannon]

I'm Stacy from Alabama. I want to say thank you because.

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[Steve Bannon]

Supposed to go against someone who said they were a female, but they weren't in a jiu jitsu competition. And you actually gave me the courage to Stand up. And I did not have to do that.

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[Steve Bannon]

My second question as a mom of.

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Four is how do we keep the.

[Steve Bannon]

Momentum going for our children to not have to deal with this if Democrats.

[Riley Gaines]

Get elected again, God forbid, but just to keep the momentum going? Well, first of all, I hate that the onus is placed on you to have to make that decision where ultimately you've, you're in like this impossible spot where what do you do? Like, do you not do the sport that you love or do you compromise on what you know to be true and right and fair and just?

[Steve Bannon]

Us.

[Riley Gaines]

And so I applaud you. We've dubbed that at Turning Point. One of the initiatives that, that we've been working on is called Project Boycott, with emphasis on the word boy. And really encouraging those girls in, whether it's team sports, whether it's something as like, physical as jiu jitsu, gosh, like, I can't imagine grappling. Is that the verb that you would use? Grappling on a mat with, like smashing skulls? Yeah, with, with a man? That's insane. And anyone with eyeballs and a shred of honesty and integrity or common sense would be able to see it that way. But secondly, okay, how do we keep the momentum if Democrats get back in charge? First and foremost, understand it starts in your House, not the White House. There is so much performance and theatrics in Washington D.C. and praise God that we have Donald Trump in the Oval Office and we have a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate. Those are great things. But let's be real. In terms of longevity, the things that they're accomplishing or not really accomplishing. You have far more influence on your children and how they live their life as parents than who is in the Oval Office, who is the President of the United States.

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