The Charlie Kirk Show, December 9, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show (Real America’s Voice)

Episode Date: December 9, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk (with Andrew Colvett, Blake, and guests)
Notable Guests: Erica Kirk, Caleb Chilcott, Dr. Matthew Spalding

Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show centers on a multi-faceted analysis of American politics and culture, with headline discussions on Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett’s Senate run, a pivotal Supreme Court case concerning the Voting Rights Act, the ongoing legacy of Charlie Kirk (including the aftermath of his assassination at UVU), and reflections on the enduring meaning of “Americanism.” A deeply personal segment features Erica Kirk on the posthumous release of Charlie’s final book, "Stop in the Name of God," discussing its lessons on Sabbath, rest, and legacy.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Jasmine Crockett's Senate Run and Democrat Strategy

[00:57–16:05]

• Panel Reaction:
  • Jasmine Crockett is characterized by the hosts as a new "star" of the Democrat Party, with criticism focusing on her policy ideas and demeanor.
  • The team expresses skepticism about her electability in Texas and argues her profile benefits more from Republican attacks, referencing the "Streisand Effect."
  • Charlie Kirk: “She’s so insane… I think she’s going to have a heck of an uphill battle in the state of Texas.” [11:37]
• Comparison to Obama:
  • Crockett likens her campaign to Barack Obama’s early rise, which the hosts ridicule.
  • Jasmine Crockett (Self-recorded): “There was this charismatic, funny, intelligent… young candidate with a funny name who just got into the US Senate and was running for president… Yes, I’m talking about President Barack Obama.” [12:05]
• Reparations and Taxation:
  • Crockett discusses proposals for Black Americans not to pay taxes as a form of reparations, noting practical difficulties.
  • Jasmine Crockett: “One of the things that they propose is Black folk not have to pay taxes… Then you start dealing with the different tax brackets and things like that. And that's one of the reasons that… we argue the reparations make sense.” [13:07]
  • Hosts critique reparations as ill-conceived based on her comments.
• Democratic Effort to Flip Texas:
  • Blake contextualizes this with past failed attempts (e.g., Wendy Davis, Beto O’Rourke) and critiques national spending on such efforts.
  • Blake: “Democrats are really addicted to the idea of flipping Texas… It’s difficult and expensive and we’re not close to doing it.” [14:48]

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2. Supreme Court Case: Minority Majority Districts & Voting Rights Act

[20:01–25:37]

• Key Case:
  • The Supreme Court is hearing Louisiana v. Calais, which could profoundly affect the creation of minority-majority congressional districts under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.
  • Charlie Kirk: “If struck down, it would be the most significant rollback of this Voting Rights Act since Shelby County v. Holder in 2013.” [22:04]
• Stakes:
  • Up to 19 congressional seats in the South could be impacted, possibly benefiting the GOP.
  • Charlie Kirk: “That’s 19 congressional seats… If you add that to… congressional redistricting fights… that could total up to 27 seats going in our direction.” [22:46]
• Historical Context:
  • Blake recounts the origins of these provisions post-Jim Crow and notes contemporary circumstances differ, arguing remedies like literacy tests and poll taxes are obsolete.
  • Blake: “A half-century on, Black Americans have the same voting rights… Instead, this is always a cudgel that is just used to deliver the left political wins.” [24:03]

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3. Turning Point USA Legacy & the UVU Memorial Debate

[31:30–41:39]
Featuring guest Caleb Chilcott, TPUSA UVU Chapter President

• Aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination:
  • Chapter membership and student activism at Utah Valley University (UVU) has surged post-tragedy.
  • Caleb Chilcott: “Our events average 40 plus people… we’ve more than doubled our events.” [32:13]
• Memorial Controversy:
  • Some push for a “unity memorial” rather than one named for Charlie Kirk.
  • Charlie Kirk: “Instead of a Charlie Kirk memorial, they want a unity memorial. Does that make any sense at all?” [34:09]
  • Administrative support seems strong for a Charlie-specific memorial, but Caleb expresses concerns over potential delays and attempts to dilute the focus.
  • Caleb Chilcott: “Have not met a single student… who want[s] a unity memorial. Everyone I’ve talked to wants something to honor Charlie.” [34:41]
  • Senator Mike Lee’s statement, read by the hosts, reinforces that erasing Charlie from the memorial would “insult his memory… and supporters.”
• Personal Reflections:
  • Caleb shares how the event motivated him to further activism.
  • Caleb Chilcott: “It’s fired me up… It’s just motivated me more to preach the right message across not only campuses, but across the world.” [40:19]
• Call to Action:
  • Utah listeners are urged to contact lawmakers to ensure a proper memorial.

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4. Exclusive: Erica Kirk & "Stop in the Name of God" Book Launch

[58:58–77:53]
Interview with Erica Kirk

• Background:
  • Charlie Kirk’s final book, "Stop in the Name of God," focuses on the Sabbath, intentional rest, and the spiritual/mental benefits of periodic retreat from work.
  • Erica Kirk: “Watching him live this out in real time changed his life… It was the next level.” [59:59]
• Theme & Practice:
  • The book is a personal, spiritual guide advocating rest as a way to boost effectiveness and avoid burnout, applicable to all faiths or none.
  • Erica Kirk: “It has nothing to do with running away… It’s literally taking a pause so you can lay out and map out. Okay, pause the noise for a second. What truly matters.” [61:42]
  • Charlie Kirk (quoted from book): “To stop utterly, decisively, rhythmically, is perhaps the most radical command God ever gave humanity… Cease striving, cease earning, cease proving.” [64:05]
• Legacy & Grief:
  • Erica reflects on promoting the book for her late husband, emphasizing the bittersweet and profound nature of the experience.
  • Erica Kirk: “It's so divine, too, that of all the books that he leaves for us, it's not a book about politics. …Of all the books to write, he writes something about honoring God.” [72:49]
• Memorable Moment:
  • Erica recalls the practical family applications found in the book, like creating a "Sabbath box" with their children.
  • Erica Kirk: “What was really sweet to me… there was something called a Sabbath box that you can have with your kids… That was such a special bonding time for them. And man, just. I miss him, you guys.” [76:54]
• Purchase Info:
  • The book is available at 45books.com.

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5. Reflecting on American Identity: With Dr. Matthew Spalding (Hillsdale College)

[83:53–103:49]

• Premise:
  • What does it mean to be "American"? Dr. Spalding's book, "The Making of the American Mind," uses the Declaration of Independence to answer this.
  • Dr. Spalding: “The Declaration of Independence… is the greatest and most eloquent statement of freedom in Western Civilization, especially in the American tradition.” [85:04]
• Continuity & Change:
  • The show contrasts America's founding revolution (and healing post-war) with the violent, destabilizing French Revolution, linking American resilience to foundational Judeo-Christian/Western values.
  • Dr. Spalding: “There are things that change. But the most important things to understand are the things that don't change… our theological pursuits… and the intellectual, moral, rational roots of our thinking about unchanging principles.” [88:56]
• American Uniqueness:
  • America’s synthesis of Christian, classical, and British influences results in a distinctive ethos rooted in universal equality.
  • Dr. Spalding: “We’re a particular nation dedicated to universal principles. Those two things together… that’s why America really is, as Lincoln said, the last great hope.” [103:09]
  • The segment closes with a note on the upcoming 250th anniversary of the Declaration.
• Audience Invitation:
  • Hillsdale College free online courses promoted as a resource for deepening civic understanding.

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Notable Quotes

• Jasmine Crockett:
  • “There are a lot of people that said, you gotta stay in the House. We need our voice. We need you there. And I understand. But what we need is for me to have a bigger voice.” [10:10]
• Charlie Kirk (on rest):
  • “To stop utterly, decisively, rhythmically, is perhaps the most radical command God ever gave humanity… Cease striving, cease earning, cease proving...” [64:05]
• Dr. Matthew Spalding:
  • “You can’t really love your country if you don’t know your country… The Declaration… is the most eloquent statement of freedom in Western civilization.” [85:04]
• Senator Mike Lee (paraphrased by hosts):
  • “Creating a memorial to unity at UVU instead of a memorial to Charlie Kirk would insult Charlie’s memory..." [39:19]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Jasmine Crockett & Dem strategy: 00:57–16:05
• Voting Rights Act Supreme Court case: 20:01–25:37
• UVU Charlie Kirk Memorial discussion with Caleb Chilcott: 31:30–41:39
• Erica Kirk on "Stop in the Name of God”: 58:58–77:53
• Defining American Identity with Dr. Matthew Spalding: 83:53–103:49

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Tone & Style

The conversation is forthright, energetic, and blends political analysis with deeply personal reflections. The tone alternates from combative (re: partisan politics) to somber and uplifting (discussing Charlie Kirk’s legacy and spiritual messages). The panel leans into humor, inside references, and camaraderie throughout, sustaining a strong sense of conservative community.

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Final Note

This episode skillfully weaves rapid-fire political commentary with meditations on loss, legacy, and the American experiment—giving audiences both actionable political insights and a heartfelt call to rediscover the best of America, personally and collectively.

Transcript

[Erica Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jasmine Crockett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Jasmine Crockett]

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[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Terrence Bates]

How about this new one? They have their new star, Crockett. How about her?

[Charlie Kirk]

She's the new star of the Democrat Party, Jasmine Crockett.

[Terrence Bates]

They're in big trouble.

[Charlie Kirk]

But you have this woman, Crockett. She's a very low IQ person. I watched her speak the other day. She's definitely a low IQ person. Crockett. Oh, man. Oh, man.

[Brian Glenn]

She's a very low IQ person.

[Charlie Kirk]

Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders of the party. I said, you gotta be kidding.

[Terrence Bates]

Now they're gonna rely on Crockett.

[Charlie Kirk]

Crockett's gonna bring them back.

[Jasmine Crockett]

There are a lot of people that said, you gotta stay in the House. We need our voice. We need you there. And I understand.

But what we need is for me to have a bigger voice.

[Charlie Kirk]

How will you convert those who are.

[iHeart Advertising Host]

Supportive of him to voters for you?

[Jasmine Crockett]

Yeah, I don't know that we'll necessarily convert all of Trump's supporters.

[Caleb Chilcott]

That's not our goal.

[Erica Kirk]

Do you need to.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Our goal is to definitely talk to people. No, we don't. We don't need to. There was this charismatic, funny, intelligent and exciting young candidate with a funny name who just got into the US Senate and was running for president. Many doubted if this country was ready, while others. Well, we got to work and kept hope alive. Yes, we can.

Yes. I'm talking about President Barack Obama. One of the things that they propose is black folk not have to pay taxes. And I was like, I don't know. That's not necessarily a bad idea. Then you start dealing with the different tax brackets and things like that. And that's one of the reasons that, you know, we argue the reparations make sense.

[Charlie Kirk]

The State of Illinois Immigration and Customs Enforcement saying that Governor Pritzker is overseeing.

[Blake]

The release of more than 1700 dangerous.

[Charlie Kirk]

Criminal illegal aliens since 20 January, including murderers, pedophiles and kidnappers, sending them back.

[Blake]

Into neighborhoods and putting American lives at risk.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

The President just signed an executive order.

[David Zier]

That's an historic change in the way.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

That pharmaceutical advertising is done on television. And the order basically reinstates or gives us now the opportunity to reinstate the 1997 rules. Prior to 1997, pharmaceutical advertisers were required.

[Charlie Kirk]

To put all the side effects on their ads.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Many of them didn't advertise because it lengthened because of what it did to the length of the advertising.

[Charlie Kirk]

Independent agencies are not accountable to the people. They're not elected as Congress and the President are and are exercising massive power.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Over individual liberty and billion dollar industries.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whether it's the FCC or the FTC or whatever.

[iHeart Advertising Host]

It is in the best interest of the American people to have certain kinds of issues handled by experts.

[Charlie Kirk]

It will create opportunities for all kinds of problems that Congress and prior presidents wanted to avoid. Risks that flow inevitably just given human nature, the realities of the world that we live in, risks associated with extreme concentrations of power in the hands of one person.

[iHeart Advertising Host]

Having a president come in and fire all the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs and replacing them with loyalists and people who don't know anything is actually not in the best interest of the citizens of the United States. These issues should not be in presidential control. We would like to have independence. We don't want the President controlling America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fest is the starting point for us.

[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

We have a team that is ready to change the world and bring America back to greatness.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Terrence Bates]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett here. Honored to be with you radio stations across the country. You can see the book art right there. By the way, today is launch day of Charlie's last book, Blake Stopping the Name of God. Erica Kirk has been in New York doing media. I think today she's, she did Fox and Friends. She did Hannity last night. This I think she's gonna be co hosting the Five today, which is very exciting. And she's a.

[Blake]

If you're the sort of person who watches the five.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you're the. Yeah, I mean, actually, I think the 5 is actually maybe people don't know this. I think it's the top rated show on the network. On that network with Greg Gun. A lot of people do like it. Yeah, no, it's a very popular show. And then she's gon joining us in our the top of hour two today. So Erica Kirk will be joining the Charlie Kirk show at 1pm Eastern, 10am Pacific. So you guys are going to stay tuned for that. And she's going to be talking about the book. This right here. Also have it in my hand. Stop in the name of God. Charlie's last book. And this was a labor of absolute love from Charlie. He spent over a year working on it, jotting down notes, reflections, meditating on it. Deeply personal. I think Erica said it really well, actually on Hannity. I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here because we are going to be talking about with Erica. But this Charlie learning how to rest one day a week was what helped him level up. It was what really took him. He was amazing, amazing. But then when he did this, he became even more amazing, effective, better leader and so many things. So we've got the artwork back there. The team got it done and put it up there and lots of news to cover. In the meantime, hour one, we're going to be talking about this really, I think important Supreme Court case that People are not aware of that. Could expand and overturn minority majority.

[Blake]

It's a reason to be optimistic.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. So we're going to hit that. And also Jasmine Crockett. Then we're going to get to the UVU campus president for Turning Point usa, who has got an explosive story that's been developing in Utah, where they want to change. There was plans for a Charlie Kirk Memorial at UVU where he was assassinated.

[Blake]

Let's not spoil it. Let's let him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I'll say that we have a dramatic story, and then something happened or is happening, and we want to get ahead of it. And then Erica Kirk, and then we have Hillsdale Professor Spalding talking about what is an American. I think that's appropriate given the fact that we are talking about birthright citizenship. Yesterday, the Supreme Court's going to be hearing that case. All right, so let's get. Let's just, let's just get out the gate real well here. Jasmine Crockett has decided to run for Senate, and I feel obligated to, to at least lead with this.

You know, Jasmine Crockett is a very fiery figure out of Texas. She has risen to prominence by basically being flamboyantly, aggressively, obnoxiously insensitive, saying wild things, saying anti white things, anti Trump things, anti conservative things. So let's just hear in her own words why she's announcing her run for Senate. 181.

[Jasmine Crockett]

There are a lot of people that said, you got to stay in the House. We need our voice. We need you there. And I understand.

But what we need is for me to have a bigger.

[Erica Kirk]

Voice.

[Charlie Kirk]

As if that was.

[Blake]

It's whatever. Do we have this? We played it in the cold open. I saw, like, the best part was, is she uploaded a video to announce that's her just sitting there impassively while they play clips of Donald Trump saying she's really stupid.

[Charlie Kirk]

And, well, this is what happens, right? I mean, if you go after somebody, it actually raises their profile. Right. It's the Barbra Streisand effect. The Streisand effect is where, you know, I guess it goes back to where Streisand wanted to keep her privacy intact, and then she ended up fighting back against somebody taking, you know, exposing her home address made everyone see, which made everybody see her. Her home address. So it worked against her. So it's called the Streisand effect. And you have this in politics, right? Senator Mark Kelly says some crazy things that are, you know, eerily similar to a coup, a military coup, encouraging that subversion. And guess what? Now he is. In many new polls, it's like Gavin Newsom. Mark Kelly is who the Democrats think is the most viable candidate to run for in 2028, which could be risky because I think.

[Blake]

I think Mark Kelly would be a more dangerous.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I'm just saying.

[Blake]

Crockett, for example.

[Charlie Kirk]

Exactly. But this is what we have. Jasmine Crockett says. Says all these crazy things. We say she's crazy, and all of a sudden that's all it takes for her profile to be raised. So let's pick our enemies very carefully here. But in the case of Jasmine Crockett, I think this is a good choice because she is so insane. And I think she's going to have a heck of an uphill battle in the state of Texas. Let's play. 184. This is her comparing herself to being the next Barack Hussein Obama. 184.

[Jasmine Crockett]

There was this charismatic, funny, intelligent and exciting young candidate with a funny name who just got into the US Senate and was running for president. Many doubted if this country was ready, while others. Well, we got to work. And kept hope alive. Yes, we can.

Yes. I'm talking about President Barack Obama.

[Charlie Kirk]

She left out the Hussein Obama, but that's it.

[Blake]

Charlie would always say it, I think, because Rush always did it. Yeah. Always imitated.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was an ode to. It was an ode to Rush.

[Blake]

And of course, narrator. The country was not ready for Barack Obama.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, not remotely. But this is what's crazy. She's so crazy that she. We've got so many great clips on Jasmine Crockett. And this is. This is an interesting clip. This is when she was saying she's open to ending tax on black because she's in favor of reparations, but she admits that many are not already paying taxes. 176.

[Jasmine Crockett]

One of the things that they propose is black folk not have to pay taxes. And I was like, I don't know that that's not necessarily a bad idea. Then you start dealing with the different tax brackets and things like that. And that's one of the reasons that, you know, we argue the reparations make sense because so many black folk, not only do you owe for the labor that was stolen and killed and all the other things, Right. But the fact is, like, we end up being so far behind. Right? And so it's like, how do you bring forth people? Exactly. And so it's like if you. If you do the no tax thing for people that are already, say, struggling and aren't really paying taxes in the first place. It doesn't really exactly. They may want those checks like they got. Exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's her admitting that.

Reparations is a flawed endeavor to begin with. We could keep going. She says she doesn't need to win over Trump supporters to do this. Now. Trump carried Texas by 14 points. So if I'm just doing the math here, I got a. I got to question her logic here. Blake, 178.

[iHeart Advertising Host]

How will you convert those who are supportive of him to voters for you?

[Jasmine Crockett]

Yeah, I don't know that we'll necessarily convert all of Trump supporters. That's not our.

[Erica Kirk]

Do you need to.

[Jasmine Crockett]

Our goal is to definitely talk to people. No, we don't. We don't need to.

[Blake]

Got to get some.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got to get.

[Blake]

So this is a good reason to be optimistic because Jasmine Crock one all one of her opponents has already basically dropped out in response to this, decided, let's pack up and go home. But.

Older people will remember a candidate. I say older people like it's ages ago, but it was only about a decade ago. But there's been a pattern. Democrats are really addicted to the idea of flipping Texas. It's kind of, it's similar to how will often be contacted by conservatives in California. They often dream of flipping California red the whole state, not just House districts. And we often have to say, we support you. We should work as hard as we can. But it's not the immediate priority now because it's difficult and expensive and we're not close to doing it. Democrats do this a lot with the state of Texas where they get hyped up that they're going to flip the state in a big statewide race blue and they spend tons of money on it. So let's throw up. A decade ago, we had Wendy Davis. She gave a filibuster speech on the floor of, I believe, the Texas state Senate over an abortion bill. And so she, they made her a big national hero. She got a ton of money. She ran for governor and she got steamrolled massively by Governor Abbott. And then they did it with Beto o' Rourke running for Senate.

[Charlie Kirk]

Beto got close. He got a lot of attention, like three points.

[Blake]

Well, don't, don't egg them on. Don't egg them on here. The point is they spent a lot of money on it. And that's probably why we got Governor Ron DeSantis, for example. If they'd taken that money and rolled it over to Florida, we probably don't win that race by man, was it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Was under a hundred thousand, thirty thousand votes or something like that. Yeah. I mean, listen, if they want to roll her out there and see what they can get done, that's fine. I hope they spend a lot of money on Jasmine. I hope they spend so much money backing Jasmine Crockett. If you could make one holiday wish, would you wish to be free from your credit card and other debt? I think that would be a phenomenal Christmas present to yourself. So here's why. Now is the time to make a move. This time of year, credit card and loan companies close out their books. They're clearing past due accounts and selling off debt. That means if you have credit card debt and unpaid bills, lenders may be more open to negotiating and may actually have some leverage for you. Done with debt knows exactly how to use it. They understand the year end pressure and monitor lender trends so they can jump in and negotiate hard on your behalf. Now is the time to get out from under crushing debt without bankruptcy or loans. Done with debt goes to work. Month one with one goal. Reduce your total debt and leave you with more money every month. So get started now. That's the key. Chat for free with with a Done with debt [e-mail] that's donewithdebt.com donewithdeb.com we'll be right back.

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All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So there is a case that is going to be heard by this Supreme Court that is making some serious waves. So this is here from Axios. You guys can throw the graphic up. Senior Trump advisors are telling GOP donors that a pair of upcoming Supreme Court decisions are likely to bolster Republicans in the 2026 midterms and transform the party's power to win elections for years. So this is coming straight from Chris La Tony, Tony Fabrizio, which are top Trump lieutenants. And they are talking about this case, Louisiana versus I think it's pronounced Calais. I would think Calais, Calles, whatever, whatever. So Louisiana Vicale, it's a French name.

[Blake]

And then when they're in Louisiana a long time, they start pronouncing it differently. That's how we got Brett Favre, all that stuff.

[Charlie Kirk]

Favre, Fava. So what this is is it's about a very, I would say, kind of long standing precedent. Now it goes back to the Voting Rights Act, Section 2, the Voting Rights act, which came in 1965. And what that section does is it prohibits the dilution of minority voting power in congressional redistricting plans. So what this does in practice is it will take a district that is or it will create a district that is a majority minority district. So if you have a Predominant black community in Louisiana, for example. And this is where this case goes down to. They will design a district to give a black community a representative for the black community. In the case of Louisiana, they have two predominantly black congressional districts.

[Blake]

Yeah, that was a recent court rule to make a second one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, this is one of them.

[Blake]

Very mutant looking.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's very mutant looking. But what this, what it's supposed to be doing is, at least in theory, they will argue that this is what allows them to have equal representation. So. So, so that black voters in the south specifically will have black representatives. Right. But it is being challenged as racist. Now, why this is key is because section 2 of the Voting Rights act, the core provision that protects against racially discriminatory. Discriminatory voting maps. That's how they would put it. The left, if struck down, it would be the most significant rollback of this Voting Rights act since what they say, Shelby county versus Holder in 2013. But here's what else this is. What's crazy is that this could at least it could flip 19 seats up to. Up to that. So that's 19 congressional seats. And they. This, this, the left is warning about this. They're writing white papers on this, publishing these things, and they are saying that if you add that to some of these congressional redistricting fights that we're having in Indiana and we're having in Missouri and Florida and Ohio, that could total up to 27 seats going in our direction. And that's not even counting, I believe, Texas, which has already now done it and we had that success.

[Blake]

Well, that might reduce the total, I think, is the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, but here's the point. 19 seats, especially in the south, are connected to this 1965 Voting Rights Act Section 2, which is making gerrymandered seats for majority minority districts.

[Blake]

Now, you have to be careful, because I always have to have the caveat here, which is there are a lot of seats in blue states that exist this way as well. Where because of section two, they say, okay, here in Chicago, for example, you need to make this giant. Like, there's actually infamous districts in Chicago where they have this all black district and then they have the Hispanic district that surrounds it. Kind of like a pair of earmuffs is famously what it looks like. And so Democrat states do create this as well. So that could mitigate it. The big picture thing is we've had this very artificial approach to our House maps that was imposed a half century ago for an understandable purpose, which is that we had the Jim Crow system that really did deny black Americans the right to vote. And you could argue you needed some sort of harsh measure to break that. That's why we abolished the poll tax. That's why we abolished some of the literacy tests that they used and were famously rigged against black Americans. But a half century on, black Americans have the same voting rights, voting rights and voting rates as white Americans. They are not being denied the right to vote. Instead, this is always a cudgel that is just used to deliver the left political wins. Oh, we can't have basic voter ID because actually that's a way to bring back Jim Crow and similar here. You can't have a House map decided democratically at your state level because we've had a court order how you're going to draw it. And it never applies to Democrats. Of course. Democrats are actually totally allowed to gerrymander however they want because they're doing it for political reasons. Racist reasons.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But here's what I would say. The liberal leaning Fair Fight Action group is freaking out about this. They are freaking out about this and they, and they are admitting that this, if this is overturned, it will benefit us much more. And here's the key Oral arguments are heard Tuesday, which is today. So for this case in which the justice will decide whether to eliminate the federal law. And so that's, that's a big, that's a big, that's a big deal.

[Blake]

We'll see if it helps us because they have to decide it soon enough, otherwise we can't redraw the so if they do a quick 2028 could help us a lot.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's, if they do it quick enough, it'll impact 2026. If they don't, 2028 for sure. Back. We got a Utah Valley story that you're going to want to hear. We'll be right back.

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The details for the upcoming National Defense Authorization act are out. The nearly 900 billion dollar measure is about $8 billion more than what President Trump was calling for. Some of that funding could also go towards production of naval defense and weapons systems. Host of Breaking Point here on Real America's Voice. David Zier is live at the Washington Naval Yard where the Secretary of the Navy is expected to arrive at any moment. Now, what's going on there? David, good morning.

[David Zier]

Hi. Good afternoon, Terrence. Yes, and part of the NDAA is modernizing defense acquisitions and spurring innovation in the defense industrial base. Here to deliver defense acquisitions with speed and scale. And today we're going to hear from John Phelan, the civilian US Navy Secretary, along with Vice Admiral Sako o', Connor, the director of the new Naval Rapid Capabilities Office, which was newly established in I believe September and he was appointed by Navy Secretary Phelan. And this is going to comply with Trump's executive order, modernizing defense acquisitions and spurring innovation in the defense industrial base, which wants to overhaul defense acquisitions and to deliver state of the art capabilities with speed and scale. And today's program will start at 1pm here from the Washington Navy Yards. We are right now in the Capitol turnaround which served as the terminus for the oldest trolley system in Washington, D.C. from Georgetown to the Navy yards back in 1891. And also the Washington Navy is very historic on the Anacostia river, which was defending Washington, D.C. during the War of 1812, the largest and oldest federal facility operating here. But this is really important because they're calling on American innovators and investors to work with the government to strengthen maritime deterrence and ensure the Navy and Marine Corps maintain an advantage in all domains going forward in a new era of warfare, delivering systems quicker and better and.

[Terrence Bates]

Cheaper, making sure that the men and women of the Navy as well as the all other armed forces are ready for war and ready for war fighting if and when it comes to that. David Zier reporting this morning in Washington, D.C. we'll of course, have more coverage for you throughout the day.

[Charlie Kirk]

This movement will not be silenced. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, guys, gonna have a UVU story that you're not, gonna, not gonna wanna miss in just a second. But first, I wanna Tell you guys about Patriot Mobile. So listen up. For a limited time, Patriot Mobile is running their red, white and blue Friday promotion. Your once of your chance to get a free smartphone just for switching to America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, a brand new phone absolutely free while supplies last. So for over 12 years, Patriot Mobile has defended faith, family and freedom while giving you the same or better premium coverage on all three major US networks. Unlimited data, mobile hotspots, international roaming, they do it all. When you switch, you never sacrifice quality or service. That's the main thing. Hundreds and thousands of thousands have joined the movement because every bill supports the first amendment, the second amendment, the sanctity of life in our veterans and first responders. Switching is easy. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade to that free smartphone. Today their 100 US base support team can activate you in minutes. So go to patriotmobile.com charlie that's patriot mobile.com charlie or call 972 Patriot and use promo code Charlie. Don't wait. This limited time offer won't last. That's patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot with promo code Charlie. Join and make the switch today. Portions of the Charlie Kirk show are proudly brought to you in part by Patriot Mobile. All right, very, very excited about this next conversation because it's so important. We are going to be welcoming Caleb Chilcott. He is the UVU chapter president for Turning Point USA there in Utah. Of course, that is where Charlie was assassinated on September 10th. And Caleb has been an absolute rock star and actually met him briefly over the weekend at the gala. So welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Caleb, it's an honor to have you here.

[Caleb Chilcott]

Thank you guys. Thank you guys so much. This is, yeah, a real honor. I'm super excited to be here.

[Charlie Kirk]

And just in case people are wondering, Caleb, you are from Australia.

That is an accent that they.

[Blake]

That's why his hair is so poofy. It's like he's actually upside down.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, you are.

[Caleb Chilcott]

I'm on the ceiling right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, exactly. Yes.

[Caleb Chilcott]

I spent about the last time there.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, it was great meeting you briefly. You were absolutely phenomenal at the gala. You said a few words.

[Caleb Chilcott]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why don't we start there before we get into this story? We've got 10 minutes in this segment.

Tell us about the chapter in the aftermath of what happened to Charlie there and tell us how are you doing? How is the chapter doing? How are the students doing?

[Caleb Chilcott]

Yeah, it's been honestly incredible. Our chapter was a small, probably about 100 active members. I would get about 20 people maximum per event. But then after Charlie's death, we've just seen an explosion in activity. The campus website says we now over have 400 members. Our Instagram has gotten over 5,000 plus followers and our events average 40 plus people. So we've more than doubled our events.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's phenomenal. And how are the students doing though? I mean, you know, some of. Yeah, some of you guys, I mean, you were the last students. Get pictures with Charlie. I mean, just. I mean, it was incredibly traumatic. It's still traumatic for so many of us. And you know, I just, I have worried about some of you guys at the campus level there because it was. I mean, an unthinkable thing happened right, right in front of you.

[Caleb Chilcott]

Yeah, thankfully, yeah, the students have been doing really well. The UVU did offer free mental health services and other facilities. Kind of help us out deal and process what we all witnessed. But the students, they're fired up. My students, they're ready to keep marching forward. Our chapter is becoming a stronghold and it's going to be a legacy that is going to last a lifetime.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, wonderful. Well, in talking about legacies that are going to last a lifetime. So as soon as this happened with Charlie, there was talk of a Charlie Kirk Memorial on campus. And unfortunately, that is now coming into question. Let's go ahead and play this cut really quick. 214.

[Blake]

When the campus comes together.

[Caleb Chilcott]

That's what I want to memorialize.

[Blake]

I want to memorialize campus coming together as one student body in the face of this great tragedy.

[Charlie Kirk]

You want a memorial for unity.

[Blake]

Yes, exactly. Because unity died on September 10th, not Charlie Kirk.

[Erica Kirk]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so they, instead of a Charlie Kirk memorial, they want a unity memorial. Blake, does that make any sense at all?

[Blake]

I guess we'll have. We'll have unity between, you know, the side that was fired upon and the side that fired. I suppose.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Please help make sense for this. What is actually happening on campus and is this unity memorial in place of a Charlie Kirk Memorial actually. Actually gaining any traction here? Caleb?

[Caleb Chilcott]

I. I'm not too sure about that, to be honest. This is definitely a case of the loud minority versus the silent. I haven't met a single student and we talk to hundreds of students each week who want a unity memorial. Everyone I've talked to want something to honor Charlie. I know what he stood for. And yeah, it's just this small, very small, but super loud voices that are what we're hearing right now across the country and the campus.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I mean, but don't they realize that this would be burying the truth of what really happened? I mean, this would be a disgrace to the tragedy that unfolded at that campus to call it anything other than the Charlie Kirk memorial. And you know, it's cannot say this enough. An indoctrinated leftist murdered Charlie Kirk in cold blood in front of all of us. There's no unity with that. And Charlie gave his life for free speech for this country.

I just, I can't think of anything more insulting than a. Than taking Charlie's name off of a memorial and putting in its place some left wing deranged unity project or whatever that is. So, Caleb, are you telling us that this is not gaining any real traction? Have you talked to the administration, have you talked to anybody at the school that has any authority over this?

[Caleb Chilcott]

Yeah, I've talked to a couple of the people on the memorial committee. Thankfully, it's very reassuring that about 90% of them have come to me and told me they are huge Charlie Kirk fans. They loved what he stood for, they love the message that he preaches. So that gives me some hope. But the real issue for me is that it's just, there's no traction. The last I heard was about a month ago where they took a tour of the courtyard. And the next time they're meeting to discuss the memorial is going to be sometime in January. So the process has taken very, very slowly. But from what I've seen, the people who are constructing this memorial were in good hands.

[Blake]

That's good. Do you just worry that pushing it back, the goal is to just. The process is the punishment, delay it out, keep it from happening?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, that's what I'm. I would be worried about that.

[Blake]

You know, if you can push it out long enough. The people who are directly affected have graduated.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. The further away from the event that you get, the more leverage they're going to have if, if there is some sort of slow walk attempt going here.

[Caleb Chilcott]

And that is, that is one of my biggest concerns is that with how long this process is taking, that the people who are fired up, who want to honor Charlie the right way because of how long this is taking, their voices are going to die down. And these, this loud minority, they're just going to get people getting louder. And I fear that that's going to influence the, the committee. So what I've been trying to do is kind of be a, I guess whispering, whispering in their ears just to make sure they're still in the right direction and that they're not Gonna honor Charlie's name in a very underwhelming way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and I'm glad you're doing that, Caleb. And you gotta let us know if we need to do anything to help spread the word there, because if they do this, it will be one of the. If they attempt it in any serious form, it is going to be an outrage of epic proportions. And we will absolutely get loud because the. I would say the least that this campus could do or should do for the biggest, highest profile political assassination since the 1960s in this country is to at least memorialize it properly with the actual person whose life was lost and taken. I don't know.

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[Blake]

Can you describe. Do you know? Assuming they don't sabotage it. Is there a. Is there a concrete vision for what it might look like that we can anticipate?

[Caleb Chilcott]

Not yet. I know one of the memorial committee members is a Utah senator, Senator McKay. He proposed a. A bench with a Bible and a microphone on it with Charlie's initials on that. But other people really want a statue of Charlie, a bust of Charlie, a plaque, like literally anything. And we've heard nothing. We've had no. Had no concrete plans right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know what it should be? Here's my vote. Just throwing out an idea here. Erica loves this picture, too, of Charlie throwing out that hat that day. She posted it with the freedom shirt and the hat coming out of his hand right where he did that.

[Blake]

That would be a good. That.

[Charlie Kirk]

That would be amazing.

[Blake]

I'd be torn between that and him, you know, at the table. Prove me wrong with the microphone in hand.

[Charlie Kirk]

That would be great to debate.

[Erica Kirk]

Both.

[Blake]

Both would be a very good. To me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So Senator Mike Lee from the great state of Utah has chimed in here. He says creating a memorial to unity at UVU instead of a memorial to Charlie Kirk would insult Charlie's memory. Family and supporters thousand percent agree. It also downplayed Charlie's legacy and ignore what led to his assassination. The supposed call for unity comes across as hollow and manipulative. I would say just really gross. And, yeah, we're not gonna fall for it. So I would say keep us posted on this, Caleb. As soon as you hear stuff, please let us know. Please let field team know. If anything goes squirrely, please let us know. I just want to take the last two minutes in this segment real quick. Caleb, you know you experienced something. I. I've. I've said many times, I'm so grateful I was not there that day. Unfortunately, Blake was, you know, and also, fortunately, I'm glad Charlie Was. Had his team around him in that sense. But you were there. How has this changed you? Personally.

[Caleb Chilcott]

It'S fired me up. Like I said at the gala, this is a realization I had that this is real. Things like this that happen in our country. And it's just motivated me more to preach the right message across not only campuses, but across the world.

Yeah, I'm fired up, and I don't think the spark is going to die anytime soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's great. And we're hearing that, by the way, across the country, just so everybody's aware. It's like the chapter meetings are exploding with people. You mentioned that you doubled in size, your meeting size. The meetings are swelling and growing. So that's. I mean, the meetings are growing.

[Blake]

The Bible studies are growing. We should definitely expand those, keep those going. We just got an email from Kyrie, who says let the audience know if there's anything they can do to further the process of a UVU memorial. Most straightforward way. If you are a Utah listener, tell your lawmakers this matters to you. You care about it. You want that to happen there and possibly on other campuses.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And, Caleb, if there's a good email, you can get that to us and we can actually tell the audience and put it up on if. If there's just sort of a. A place where people can send in their thoughts and concerns or their desire for this memorial to happen, Please find that for us and we'll blast it out.

[Caleb Chilcott]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. We want people to let their voices be heard and say, we wanna honor Charlie the right way here. Don't skim around it. None of this unity stuff. Don't give in to the leftist voices on campus. Caleb Chilcutt, the president of our TPUSA UVU chapter. Caleb, you're doing a great job. Please keep that spark alive. You are important. Your story is important. You have a place in history now, as a matter of fact. And so please guard that preciously well. Thanks. All right, we'll see you soon. All right, we'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Erica Kirk]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I Meeting our Turning Point students and the chapter leaders is one of the best parts of this job, I have to say.

[Blake]

They're great, they're motivated, they're impressive and positive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, this guy was on camp. He was probably. I don't know where he was when everything happened, but, you know, this is a truly remarkable man for having this happen on his campus, overcoming it. And you see that spark in him, and he realizes that he's a torchbearer of Charlie's message and his legacy from all the way.

[Blake]

All the way from the Antipodes in Australia, no less.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, I mean, it really shows.

[Blake]

The globalization of Charlie's message that we saw so much in the past year.

[Charlie Kirk]

There was actually a Sky News reporter out of Australia that always covered Charlie, and Charlie would always, like, send me the links. Go like, she's good. She's good. Is she like Charlie? I mean, you know better than I. Charlie's global impact because you travel with him internationally in the final months.

[Blake]

I'll never forget how many people were recognizing him in the uk. The Starbucks barista, the guys in the security line, the random people in the airport lounge. Just one thing after another. It was just constant. In the parking lot of this gas station, people were recognizing him. And I just. I did not anticipate that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I remember we had. We had a. What was her name? The German.

Representative.

[Blake]

Oh, the AFD woman.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, the afd. Yes. Yeah. And she was. I remember in the break, she was so nervous to talk to Charlie, she couldn't believe she was on the Charlie Kirk show because Charlie was such a big deal for the conservatives in Germany and I. The French girls at the RNC that couldn't wait to take a selfie with Charlie.

[Blake]

One of the most important reasons. We can't let ourselves get black pill. You quickly realize how much every other conservative on planet Earth looks towards American conservatism because it's where we're vital. We're coming up with new ideas. We're aggressive, we're energetic. You can do things in America, and people love that. You can do things in America.

[Charlie Kirk]

You can just do things. You can just do things. I think we need to hit this. Jeremy, Carl, Nam in the next.

[Blake]

Yeah, let's do that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's do that. Trump's been raging that he can't get any of his appointees through, and I think he's 100% right. We need to apply some pressure. We'll be right back.

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

There's a hot mic moment that is going around and it's making waves on social media. Let's go ahead and play it from President Trump. Hot mic 185.

[Brian Glenn]

You know, I cannot appoint at the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Huh?

[Brian Glenn]

I can't appoint anybody.

[Charlie Kirk]

Everybody on appointment time is expired, and then there is a fault.

So if you couldn't hear what he said, he says, you know, I can't appoint anybody. Every. Everybody I've appointed. Their time has expired. Then they're in default, then we're losing. Blake, explain this.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's. It's what we were complaining about with Charlie actually just going into this fall, that there's so many nominees to important positions, that there's so many appointees in general in the federal government. I think there's several thousand people at this point who are supposed to be directly appointed by the president. Start with the secretaries, the undersecretaries, the assistant undersec just keeps going down. All the ambassadors. And I think in that specific clip, Trump was complaining about his U.S. attorney nominations. A lot of those have been sat on.

[Charlie Kirk]

So he has what's behind that?

[Blake]

I think in a lot of those cases, I think Congress specifically dislikes some of the picks, and so they wish Trump would pick somebody else. Yes, it's. All of these are Senate confirmed. The House doesn't vote on these things. The Senate wants somebody else. So they're pouting and sitting on them. I think there's a lot of that going on, and it's causing problems because there's a limit to how long a person can serve temporarily. The Trump administration has. They've tried to come up with some legal maneuvers around this, and courts have generally been striking that down. I won't get into all of that. But bigger picture, when this clip came out, you and I were talking. There's so many positions that have gone unfilled, where they've started to accelerate them, where they started to do those block votes on nominees this fall, yet there's still hundreds of people. And so the example you and I were talking about was Jeremy Carl, author of the Unprotected Class Charlie Show. Charlie loved him. He was really excited to get him into the admin. This is one of the nominations he really personally fought for. I believe he was nominated to be Assistant Secretary of State for International organizations. I think he'd probably end up working with Undersecretary Sarah Rogers, who we had on this show. And she only. She took forever to get in. She was nominated I think in February and we gotta had a hearing in April. Only got confirmed in October. There's way too much of this.

[Terrence Bates]

There should.

[Blake]

There's no excuse for us to have a Republican Senate with a Republican president with a time limit of four total years where you're guaranteed to have power. Two total years where you're guaranteed to have a Senate that can confirm people and to just be sitting on nominations. I am sorry, ram them through.

[Charlie Kirk]

Absolutely. And, and by the way, this blue slip thing, which is actually what that hot mic moment was about. I mean, Charlie leveled into the US Senate and listen, we like Chuck Grassley, but I mean, what's Chuck. Chuck Grassley's like late 80s, 90. By now he could be 99.

[Blake]

He's a formidable figure.

[Charlie Kirk]

He, he is a very like. We respect Chuck Grassley. Look, he. He's a great American. What, 92. 92. But we are playing in a whole different reality than what Chuck Grassley's. Probably his memory. The world that formed him is long gone.

[Blake]

The world has changed. The left has gotten incredibly aggressive and expansive about what they would like to do. The bare minimum we can do is allow the person America elected to stop this. To have his dudes in the admin.

[Charlie Kirk]

JD Said this. He said we cannot keep electing politicians that are promising policies on immigration, for example, and then saying that the judges are just going to overturn this. You cannot do that over and over again without the people eventually becoming quite radicalized. What the people want, the people get. When the people elect people like President Trump and J.D. vance to fix our border issues, to fix our immigration issues or whatever, law and order. And then constantly this is getting sidetracked because we can't get appointees through or whatever because of a blue slip antiquated process which is supposed to be gentlemanly and collegial within the US Senate, when they are. When they are weaponizing old traditions where there's no rule, there's no constitutional orders, no amendment says no policy slips exist. It's literally just a tradition. And that is getting in the way why this is so important. And we're Just talk with the chapter president, uvu, and I'm thinking about Charlie right now. Charlie left it all out on the field, literally and physically and in every conceivable way to get President Trump elected, to get majorities in the House and in the Senate. We have that. We have what we work so hard for. And for that to get then sidetracked and postponed, delayed or completely blocked because we run out of time is an insult to everything that we did it the lead up to 2024 and it's an insult to Charlie.

[Blake]

Self defeating. If we lose next year, one of the biggest factors will be didn't confirm enough people, didn't get enough things done, didn't fulfill enough of the promises.

[Charlie Kirk]

Absolutely unacceptable that this is still getting in the way. Abolish the blue slip. It's time. We are not dealing with a good blue slip.

[Blake]

Ram through the hearings. Ram through the nominees.

[Charlie Kirk]

Erica Kirk joins us next. Don't go anywhere.

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Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The country's affordability crisis is front of mind for President Trump today as he is beginning a campaign to reassure Americans on the issue. The commander in chief will kick things off in Pennsylvania this evening. Real America's Voice chief White House correspondent Brian Glenn will be traveling with the president first, though, he joins us live right now with an update. Brian, it seems to me that this is a situation where the Trump administration has touted that prices are coming down, but many Americans just don't feel it.

[Brian Glenn]

Yeah, that's right, Terrence. President Trump, you know, inherited a double digit inflation across the board. Every product good service was well into 18, 19, even 20%. So taking over from day one was a goal of reducing that inflationary. And he had done such a quite good job on egg and electricity and gas and it makes things a little bit more affordable. But there is still a pretty large task ahead. That's why he's taken on the road starting today going over to the Poconos area in a key swing district. What's interesting about this district is a Republican that just won, he's a freshman now, won by about 1.5%. And there's an adjacent swing district next to that as well. That is going to be very crucial coming up in this midterm election to keep the majority in the House and keep those districts that are red right now remain red. But his focus is on the economy, understands how some Americans are obviously suffering. Not everything has come down since the Biden regime, but President Trump tackling affordability and the cost of living head on starting today.

[Terrence Bates]

Brian, is the White House already saying where else the president plans to go in order to push his message? Push, push his message? Excuse me.

[Brian Glenn]

That's a great, great question. I know CZ Wiles was on a podcast yesterday indicating that coming up next year, President Trump's going to take this, this Message on the road, kind of like a mini rally, if you will, to inspire some of these key districts, these key areas around the country to get on board and understand the message. It's all about messaging right now. And we know that some of these policies in place, the tariff deals that bring manufacturing back to this country is crucial now. That could take a little bit to unfold. But in the meantime, some of these temporary reduction and the cost of goods, services, things like that will continue into the midterms. But he's going to go around the country with this hard messaging. He may not be on the ballot, but the Republicans, Republican Party is. And that's what he's going to help ensure in the 2026 midterms.

[Terrence Bates]

And Brian, in 30 seconds, this issue of affordability is going to be a critical issue for all Republican candidates moving towards the midterms.

[Charlie Kirk]

It really is.

[Brian Glenn]

And there's things on the books right now, and I'm going to say into the previous segment and to the Charlie Kirk show, there are things sitting on the Speaker's desk as we speak that would make things much more affordable, bring down the cost of goods and services. We need those bills put on the floor for a vote to codify President Trump's executive orders. That is key. So if a Republican wins an election, that's one thing, but you got to follow through with the policy. And that starts with accountability. And it starts there in the House of Representatives.

[Terrence Bates]

Brian Glenn reporting in Washington for us today.

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right, welcome to hour two of the Charlie Kirk Show. Blake, this is the, I think the moment everybody's been waiting for today. And that's because, of course, we have Erica Kirk on the show. She is joining us remote because she has a busy, busy day. But, Erika, if you can hear us, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Erica Kirk]

Hey, everyone, can you hear me?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Blake]

Yes, we do. Slight delay, but we can hear you.

[Erica Kirk]

Hi. Oh, delays. Those are to be expected.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, today is the book launch of Charlie's book, his final book, Stop in the Name of God. And here is this beautiful artwork. Yes. And, Erica, you and Charlie and your beautiful daughter are on the back. And it's just a beautiful book I've been voraciously reading, is a wonderful personal tribute and such an important message. Tell us about.

[Erica Kirk]

Is a book that my husband, as you know, Andrew, he was writing this for what, a year and a half? And he finished it in. In July. And I'll never forget him coming downstairs and he was like, I finished it. I finally finished it. I was like, baby, I'm so proud of you. And he was like, you know, if this only changes just one person's life, at least it changes just that one. He's like. But honestly, he. And I have to tell you this, watching him live this out in real time changed his life. Totally elevated him. I mean, he was already elevated, but it was the next level. It was amazing. I mean, yes, my husband was amazing to begin with, but this really took it to the next level.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well. And I can just tell you, and Blake probably saw this as well. So this is a little. This is a little funny story. So Charlie loved to work. He loved, loved working, which is good.

[Blake]

Because he got to do it all the time.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, and he really loved working. I remember when I first started working with Charlie, it was kind of just like 24 7, you know, and he was always good natured about it, always upbeat. He loved. He loved it. And I remember my wife was like, hey, you know, are we. Are we ever gonna have any, you know, time down downtown? Yeah, like, how about a weekend husband? And I was like, yeah, we. No, we will. I'll talk. I'll talk to Charlie. Well, then along comes Erica. Now you guys have a family. And Charlie starts getting really into this idea of how to rest. How to rest. Well, and I could just tell you that I saw. Not only did I see Charlie this. Take Charlie to the next level, but it also allowed everybody else to kind of go to the next level, too, because our lives and everybody that he was leading, their lives became more in balance, too. It was an amazing transformation for the entire team.

[Erica Kirk]

It was. And not even so much from just a productivity Level. But Andrew and Blake, you guys both know this. The whole team knows this. Being in politics and just in a total echo chamber and then also just dealing with real world issues and then also just dealing with even personal life issues. All of those three combined become this absolute trifecta of this weight on you where you're just like, can I just have a second to breathe? I just need a second to breathe. And that's what this is. It has nothing to do with running away. It has nothing to do with take. It's literally taking a pause so you can lay out and map out. Okay, pause the noise for a second. Just stop the noise for a second. What truly matters. Have people pour into you. Have some alone time with the Lord. Spend some time with your family. Have a beautiful meal with your family on whatever day you choose to do this. It does not have to be a Friday, does not have to be a Sunday. It doesn't even have to be a Wednesday. You can choose that. That's what's so beautiful. Charlie was not legalistic about the Sabbath. He was saying, please just take the time to be Just set aside to be alone with the Lord, to be able to pray, to be able to just even journal. How Charlie loved to journal. He left hundreds of his journals. And that to him was just so cathartic to be able to just write out what he was grateful for, you know, even just, I don't know when he would go for a walk and he just would have ideas that came to him for his show. He just really took the time to think, you know what? This worked for me because it helped me from burning out. And that was a superpower for him. People would say, how do you do this? How do you operate? And he would always say.

He would get eight hours, eight to 10 hours of sleep a night if he could when he was at home. But not only that, he made sure that if he kept this pace and rhythm of giving himself a break, he wouldn't burn out like many other people because they thought it was cool to pull all nighters. Actually, it's not. And it's not good for your brain health either. But he felt like he found that ultimate secret and the ultimate hack as an entrepreneur and wanted everyone else to be in on. On that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can I just read this section that hit me so hard last night as I was. As I was reading this book? He says, it's such a good book, Andrew. So good. It's like so good.

[Erica Kirk]

So good.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's. There's just something about I just. God has a plan, and I. You just sometimes have to.

[Erica Kirk]

I know, but the depth and level of the theology in here is unbelievable.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, he really took. I mean, I'm telling you, resting for Charlie took him to the next level. And here's what he said. To stop utterly, decisively, rhythmically, is perhaps the most radical command God ever gave humanity. In a world governed by unrelenting drive by the mantras of faster, harder, and more, the divine voice says something astonishing. Stop in his name. Cease. Cease striving, cease earning, cease proving, cease buying and selling and producing. This is not a suggestion. It is a divine imperative. What did you notice when Charlie really put this into practice? Because I have my own stories. But what did you see in Charlie?

[Erica Kirk]

He. I mean, he was already amazing husband to me, but our love for one another just amplified.

Him and his role as a father amplified. He was so intentional with his time to begin with. I mean, he had it down to a millisecond. You guys know that. But Charlie was so good about making sure that his priorities remained his priorities. And even just hearing you read those words, Andrew, I have to tell you, like, I hear my husband's voice and spirit so much in this book. Like I said this morning when we were having an interview earlier about this, I just. He feels so alive with me still when I read these pages, because I feel like he's addressing it to me personally. And again, he made sure that when he took the time to rest and go for a hike or spend some time with the kids or just be able to show the world, the rest of the world. Yes, I'm Charlie Kirk. Yes, I have these organizations. Yes, I have my show. But what's the most important to me is God and my family. You guys can wait 24 hours if it's an emergency. You know how to get ahold of me, but you can wait. And that's so special.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, he was so intentional. And by the way, what you could see from what I just read, Blake, how serious Charlie took this. Yes, it was a. It was very, very serious to Charlie. And we would all get the notes like, hey, see you. See you later. I'm off. Not even. Not even that.

[Blake]

It was always. I always knew it was coming around the same time. Shabbat Shalom. Exclamation point. I can. Shabbat telegram. Always the same one. And I'm like. I would sometimes be working on stuff. I wanted Charlie to see something right before, and it would come through. I'm like, it's done. Not getting a Response to that one.

[Charlie Kirk]

Till Sunday, we still got everything done. That's the key. As a matter of fact, I think you get more done in six days with rest than you do with seven days with no rest.

[Blake]

And that's, that's, that's the breakthrough every college student knows.

[Erica Kirk]

And another thing too is that Charlie made sure that this wasn't a legalistic thing. It didn't matter if you were Jewish, Christian, non observing citizen. That had nothing to do with it actually really doesn't. What it boils down to is that you are taking the time to really use your time wisely. Charlie was only alive for 31 years. That sucks. It just does. Your life is so short. We have no idea how long we'll be here. We have no idea our expiration date and when we'll be in heaven with the Lord. But what we do know is that we have a choice. Every day we can decide to take the time that we're given to do something amazing, to go out and make a difference, to go and empower people, to serve people. Or you can use that to be destructive. You have an option. Charlie knew that if he took the time to have a moment to breathe, to strategize, to create solutions instead of problems, he knew how important that time was. And if he didn't have the time to give his brain the space to do that, he wouldn't be able to be an effective leader like he was and still is. He's just in a different location.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well said. We're going to continue on with the great Erica Kirk. Again. The book is Stop in the Name of God. Erica is promoting it on Charlie's behalf in his stead and she's doing a phenomenal job. She has a very busy day. So thank you for joining us, Erica. We'll be right back in just one second with Erica Kirk. But first up, I want to tell you about Patriot Mobile. They are running their Red, White and Blue Friday promotion. Your once in a year chance to get a free smartphone just for switching to America's only Christian conservative wireless provider. A brand new phone absolutely free while supplies last. So go head over there right now. Patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot. That's patriot mobile.com Charlie or call972 Patriot with promo code Charlie. You get that free month of service and right now you get that free phone. So check it out. These are amazing, amazing people. It's in the name Patriot Mobile. They love this country, they support your values and they support shows like this. Turning Point usa. Glenn and the team are amazing. They will take good care of you with their US based support team. So check them out. Patriotmobile.com Charlie More with Erica Kirk. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We have the great Erica Kirk who is out there doing an amazing job telling the world about Charlie's last book, Stop in the name of God. We are so proud of you, Erica. You're doing an amazing job. You have such a busy day. We have about one minute left, actually. It might be maybe, Blake, you just talk about your experience with this book because I don't want to cut you off.

[Blake]

That's fair, that's fair. We'll get into it in a minute. You know, was just, it was. I always think with the Sabbath, how I just walked in in the middle of it. You guys have all testified how it transformed Charlie for the better once he adopted it. I just think of how I got in and I saw this person who was hugely effective, had so much agency, had this immense ability to change the world. But then he was also checking out for one day a week. And everyone's saying, Blake, you have no idea how different Charlie is from how he was just two years ago.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, he was just, he just, he expanded his capacity. It was just amazing. Like, the man had, it felt like unlimited capacity. And then he takes one day off a week and somehow it expanded his.

[Blake]

Capacity, his own capacity, and everyone around him as well. Yes, it really was a force multiplier.

[Charlie Kirk]

But we'll more with Erica here, the one you really want to hear from in about four seconds.

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Radio stations across the country, we are talking about Stop in the name of God. Charlie's last book, which breaks my heart, honestly, makes me kind of want to cry every time I say it. And I'm trying not to, but I'm so proud of Erica, who is doing it for her husband. She is doing an amazing job promoting this book in his stead. Erica, what does that mean to you? You know, just to be out there doing this for Charlie, to spread this word that was so near and dear to him.

[Erica Kirk]

It's really. I mean, I'll be honest, Andrew, I can't finish the last chapter. I don't know when I'll be able to. It's kind of like when you. Again, I've said this before. You get only so many firsts and last within one thing. And for this book that's united in one. For me, meaning it's the first time I am reading my husband's last book. It's not the last time I'll read the book, but it's the first time to read his final words. And it's hard to think that it's just. It's so. It's so divine, too, that of all the books that he leaves for us, it's not a book about politics. It's not a book. I mean, although he does talk about some things politically within here, and he does talk about worshiping idols, and he does talk about, you know, different philosophies and theologies that have implications towards certain things. But he. Of all the books to write, he writes something about honoring God. And he writes it in a way where he literally became the subject matter expert on it. Because he wasn't trying to preach and lecture to you. You need to do this. He was like, you know what, guys? I did it. And this made an impact in my life. And these. These are the final words that I will leave you with. He went on campus knowing that communication was key, but he also knew that if the students, if whoever he was communicating with also took some time to nourish their soul, to nourish their brain, to actually give themselves a better night's sleep, to take care of themselves holistically, there would be way more of a difference made in this country. There would actually be healing in this country if people actually took those combined holistically. And to me, it was. It's just Charlie being like, you know what? Stop and pause and rest. That doesn't mean you're Weak. That doesn't mean that, you know, it means just take some time for the Lord and take some time to really just hold into perspective what's true and what's beautiful.

[Blake]

Man, I almost don't want to ask a follow up question after that. That's so beautiful. But I thought we do have, we have do have three minutes here still. Erica.

Obviously Charlie was working on this at home a lot. I thought I'd ask, is there anything you've read in the book so far that stands out? Oh, I remember that conversation. That led to that. Or on the flip side.

On the flip side, is there something that you learned to your surprise while going through reading this book? Sorry about that.

[Erica Kirk]

The surprise side is, I mean, I knew my husband was brilliant, but the depth of understanding of this topic is amazing. And how he weaves in the Bible and how he reads and just weaves in all these different interesting facts and history of the Sabbath and then even certain laws, like blue laws that we had here in this country and how we have changed as American citizens without having that rest built into our country and how that's actually impacted us as a whole, as a body. So that, that was kind of. Because I, you know, I hear him writing about this book and everything and he shares certain topics with me. But that was really interesting. The one thing that was really sweet when he, when he, at the, towards the end of the book, he will give you practical ways of applying the Sabbath for yourself. Whether that means you going for a hike in nature, whether that means you doing something like sun setting, your device, where after 5pm the phone's off just how it used to be years ago, before there were devices everywhere. And once you left the office, that was it. But what was really sweet to me is that in there, there was something called a Sabbath box that you can have with your kids. And I got to see that with him and my children. I mean, they were, that was such a special bonding time for them. And man, just. I miss him, you guys. I just miss him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course, of course. Erica Kirk, you are doing an amazing job. You can get this book. It comes out today at 45books.com. 45books.com. Check it out. Erica, you're doing phenomenal. I know how busy your day is because I've seen the schedule and I.

[Erica Kirk]

Just love that it's a Charlie schedule. We're honoring him.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, well, exactly. You are. Today you're not resting, but you will rest this weekend. Yeah, but I will on.

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah, on Friday and Saturday and Sunday.

[Charlie Kirk]

You deserve it. You have earned it and then some. I mean, everybody pick up your copy today. This is Stop in the Name of God by Charlie Kirk. Erica, you're the best and you're doing a great job.

[Erica Kirk]

God bless you guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll see you soon.

[Erica Kirk]

I'll see you guys soon.

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[Terrence Bates]

Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump is out with the $12 billion bailout for American farmers affected by the trade war with China due to increased tariffs. The Commander in Chief announced the move during a roundtable discussion with those farmers at the White House Monday.

[Charlie Kirk]

These direct payments will give producers the breathing room they need to market this year's harvest and plan for next season. This serves as a liquidity bridge during a period of adjustment supporting the strongest agricultural sector in the world. Add this to President's success in reining.

[Brian Glenn]

In Biden narrow inflation.

[Terrence Bates]

Thanks to the administration's pro growth policies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Input costs like fuel fertilizer are easing and credit conditions are improving. Interest rates are coming down, helping farmers prepare for the next harvest.

[Terrence Bates]

Farmers will find out by the end of the month how much their individual checks will be. The payments are set to be made by the end of February. The conservative majority on the U.S. supreme Court appears ready to uphold President Trump's firing of Federal Trade Commission member Rebecca Slaughter. A ruling in favor of the president would give an historic boost to presidential power and reverse a 90 year old legal precedent. For decades, the heads of independent government agencies have had tenure, which protects them from being fired by political reasons or for political reasons. However, the Trump administration argues the tenure protections from Congress illegally encroaches on presidential powers under the Constitution. As such, the Solicitor general representing the administration is calling for the high court to overturn the 1935 case that created the current precedent and constrains presidential power by protecting the heads of those independent agencies from removal. Recovery is underway in Japan after a massive 7.5 magnitude earthquake.

At least 33 people are hurt as a result of this tremor. What's even more shocking is the tsunami warnings that were triggered for this particular area. Some areas saw water wash away cars and spill well over their banks. As you can see here. The US Tsunami Warning center in Hawaii warns of a quote, hazardous waves in forecast for Japan as aftershocks are expected. That's a check.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Waking up the woke.

[Charlie Kirk]

You should get over that quickly, one brainwashed radical at a time. That's enough. It's the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Erica Kirk]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. That was amazing. Send us your thoughts. Freedom. Charliekirk.com Blake can gather them. I'm so proud of Erica doing that. I can't.

[Blake]

That was incredible.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can't tell you just how hard that must be. I can't imagine how hard it would be. But doing the press tour for your husband's book in his stead.

It'S just something nobody should have to do. And I'm very proud of her. And anyways, I want to tell you guys about one of our partners here, Connection, open dialogue. These are the things that build communities. Charlie and TikTok shared in that knowledge. That's why TikTok has built a space where that kind of listening actually happens. People don't just post. They respond. They build on each other's ideas. You'll see a teacher who can simplify a really tough lesson for their students. So it finally clicks. And you'll see a gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop. But what matters most isn't that first post. It's what comes next. Someone asking a question, someone answering with a story of their own. And suddenly, people who've never met Mets share something in common. They have a community that's built on curiosity. When people listen and understand, a shift can actually happen. Walls come down, ideas travel further. And connection, real connection, takes their place. This is what listening does. It reminds us that we're not also different after all. And that's what makes TikTok so powerful. It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation and every conversation can make a difference. Very excited about this next conversation with Dr. Matthew Spalding. He's vice president, Hillsdale College. He has A new book, the of the American Mind, the Story of Our Declaration of Independence. I wanted to do this book today. Been talking about it for a little while with their team because you got this birthright citizenship thing coming up. And the discussion gets very distracted very quickly. But Dr. Spalding has a very, I think, interesting focus point. So, Dr. Spalding, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Great to be with you. I'm honored to be on the show with both of you. And also in light of Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, absolutely. Well, we just had his wife, Erica Kirk, on. She's doing the tour for Charlie's last book, Stop in the Name of God, why Honoring the Sabbath Will Transform your Life. And so it's an important day in that respect, but it's also important about your topic. What is an American? Is a question that is really echoing across, I think, elite intellectual circles, but also social media circles. What is an American? And you have this book that just endeavors to answer that in a very unique way by you saying, the Making of the American Mind. The Story of Our Declaration. What is your book about? And there's a through line I wanna dive into, but I'll give you the floor.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

No, no, there absolutely is a through line. And I think it's a very clear through line, to be perfectly honest. But, you know, we're coming up on our 250th anniversary of the Declaration itself, which is the timing of it, I suppose. But I've been working on this for a long time and studying the modern debates, both on the left and the right, about numerous topics. Almost all of them go back to an understanding of what we are as a people. What does it mean to be an American? What are the principles that form us? And there's this conception of what makes us Americans. And the document that is really central to that whole thing, that whole conversation, is the Declaration of Independence, which we oftentimes will read or we'll hear spoken parts, the famous sections on the 4th of July, maybe we'll know a little bit about it and its history. I wanted to write a book that tells its own story, the story of the Declaration, how he got it, it. How it came into being, how Jefferson ended up drafting it for the Continental Congress, how they edited significantly to make more points about, among other things, theology, the theological implications of the Declaration, and go through it essentially as a commentary, looking the Declaration for a general audience very closely, line by line, in a way that people can understand. Because when you understand, you can't really love your country if you don't know your Country. And the thing we do need to know is the Declaration of Independence. It is the greatest and the most, I think, most eloquent statement of freedom in Western civilization, especially in the American tradition. It's a beautiful document, and we should know it. Our listeners should know it. Members of tpusa, every college student in America, children. It's a beautiful thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm just looking at the Constitution. It's. It's under Charlie's.

Hat here and his gift from his daughter. But, yeah, he would always flash this thing on the show.

[Blake]

Is it the Declaration or just.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it has. We have versions, at least we used to with the Declaration.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

A lot of times they put them together.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Declaration, yeah.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

But part of it is the extent to which there are two documents. They go together. You can't understand the Constitution without the Declaration.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and here's something that you say about this. You said Thomas Jefferson called the Declaration of Independence an expression of the American mind, not merely a document. The Declaration is the common creed of our civic life, and it inspires the shared poetry of our political soul. I think that's a really fascinating way to put it. It is a common creed. It is. I guess the question then for you, Doctor, would be, and, you know, we just love Hillsdale. Charlie loved Hillsdale. So, you know, I didn't give your bio, but you are the Kirby professor in Constitutional and Dean of the Van Andel Graduate School of Government at Hillsdale College. And you have a lot of other titles, which is very academia of you. Your titles are always so long. But I guess the question, the real question of our time is with how much the nation has changed, with how much technology has changed, how many new cultures have come into the country in the last 40 years, especially.

Can this common creed, this shared poetry of our political stole, can it bring us together again?

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Yeah, great question. Central question, probably the question for us to think about. But here's the way to answer that, I think that Charlie, among others, I think, was getting at when he was studying more and more about these questions, in particular, the American Founding. The Founding occurs in a time period that's not the modern one we are used to being surrounded by and what is taught in college campuses. It was a world in which we still had Christian moral horizons, and we were still within the broad confines of what we might call a classical educational system. And in that way of thinking, the way we think about things that change, technology.

Methods of warfare, shipbuilding, whatever it might be, there are things that change. But the most important things to understand are the Things that don't change. And the things that don't change are those the things that have to do with our theological pursuits, which is why the kind of Christian roots of Western civilization are so important, but also the kind of the intellectual, moral, rational roots of our thinking about unchanging principles. And the Declaration really brings, in the American context, especially brings both of those things together in a very deep, deep way. And so the argument of kind of this sense of education that underlies all this is that, you know, the permanent things and then these other questions become kind of prudential matters. We can debate about them, we can think them through, but you look at them in light of something else. Today, one of the problems is we look at these things in particulars as if that's the only thing at issue here. This particular policy question. The Founders looked at it differently. I think Charlie looked at it differently. I think the we at Hillsdale look at it differently, which is these are all interesting questions. Let's think them through. Let's argue and debate and deliberate, which is why it's so important to have that conversation. But we do so in light of things that don't change, because you can't judge whether something immediate new is good or bad unless you have something, a standard by which to judge it.

[Erica Kirk]

Right.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

And that's really the heart of the Declaration. It's also the heart of the kind of the Westerns, the whole Western tradition, both both Christian and rational, going back to the Greeks and the Romans.

[Blake]

Yeah, it's. It's the Western tradition. But I think one thing that's often worth remarking upon is how really fortunate America has been. We were created in a revolution. But you can compare the French Revolution, another Western country, another historically Christian country, and their revolution was spectacularly bloody. We've had other spectacularly violent overturnings of the existing order. And yet in America, ours was relatively peaceful. Even our civil war, we recovered from quickly. I was wondering if you could comment on were there special ingredients into the American Declaration of Independence?

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

Absolutely. Absolutely. And again, that is a fabulous question itself as well, because there's an Amer. We call it the American Revolution, and then there's other thing called the French Revolution. They are diametrically opposed and very different. And it's important to understand the differences, which is why we call it an American Revolution, but more rightly, we refer to it as the American founding, that they were declaring their independence, having a revolution against England, but at the same time they were starting a new nation. So it really kind of points the Roots in a way that whereas the French Revolution was all about tearing things down. But there are a number of important differences. One is the American Revolution. American founding is influenced by the roots of Western civilization that go through in particular, England, which means it's more religious. It also means it's more tolerant and focus on constitutionalism and the rule of law. The French Revolution really is all the bad aspects of the Enlightenment. The French thinkers, which give rise to the German thinkers, and a lot of the modern progressive liberals we have today, which largely rejects it, was very anti religious and it was anti constitutional order. The other aspect I would add to it, which I get into some here, but is another aspect of some of my other scholarship is the people involved. The members of the Continental Congress and in particular, George Washington, are their particular roles, their characters, their shaping of their values and their moral sensibility. So our revolution ends in Washington. Making sure we have a Constitutional Convention, as opposed to the French Revolution, ends in people getting their heads cut off the guillotine and Napoleon making war on the rest of the world for his own glory. So they can't be. You couldn't have two revolutions that are more different than each other than the American and the French.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hmm. Yeah. I mean, the French Revolution, I have not studied it to the extent that Blake has, but it is, as you said, diametrically opposed to the American experience. By the way, there is something, you know, you hear sometimes these arguments about a case for British colonialism and a case for the British Empire, and it really is a remarkable element.

[Blake]

It was such a weird. Britain has shaped the world so much we overlook how amazing Britain was, the places it created, America, Australia, even Canada before it's recent.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know about that, but yeah, no, I'm just kidding. What I will say, I'm really curious. Dr. I want to dive into this because you're saying that the Declaration is particular and a unique outflow of the spirit of the people of America. And so when we have you in the next segment, I want to ask you, what was the break and what was the distinction between America and.

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Well, I'd almost have to write a book to give you a full answer to that question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that's your next one, doctor.

[Guest Commentator / Advertiser]

This one gets into a lot of that because I actually draw that out because that's, again, a crucial, a crucial question. So America is unique and different because it draws on a lot of these traditions. I mean, Western civilization going back to the Greeks and Romans, going through the Christian tradition, going through England in particular, that is extremely important, creates this thing called America. And America could go places the British just could not go. The British weren't going to get rid of their king, as a practical matter, they weren't going to have consent. But really, the turning point comes when all those things kind of combine, if you will, the Christian tradition in particular and the kind of rational Greek Roman tradition and the British rule of law tradition. And they are forced by the king and by his regulations and taxes to come up with a new idea for the basis of their freedom. And they do. And the basis of that is to recognize that in the very nature of things there is human equality. And that is a radical idea. Not revolutionary in the modern sense of the French, but radical in the sense of going back to the root of things, which is what the word radical means. That's a radical idea. Now, that grows out of the whole Western tradition through England. And equality is a very Christian idea, but it's the first time a nation dedicates itself to the idea is the Americans. So what's unique about the American tradition is that it's both a tradition of people. We have a particular history. We're A place we're made of this myth mix of these English people especially that can mix with other people. And we have a lot of different religions. All that is important. But we have this political. These ideas which are universal. All men are created equal. Not just Americans, not just British. All men are created equal. So we're a particular nation dedicated to universal principles. Those two things together. Gets back to what you were earlier asking about what's unique here. A lot of countries are defined as merely because they're German or their ethnicity. And then there are a lot of modern countries like the French or kind of radical claims, these various forms of rational idealism. But the Americans have this melding, if you will, of a certain ethnicity, tradition and history with ideas. But their ideas really go back to the earlier.

Arguments you get from the Christian and the Greek and Roman traditions. As a result, I would say that's why America really is, as Lincoln said, the last great hope. Doctor, we do represent Western tradition today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and I wish we could keep going. We're hitting the end of our show here, but it does feel like America somehow took all the best things from all the best ideas and put them together and lifted up these universal truths. Of course, upon a Protestant way of. Yeah, exactly. Well, please check out that book. Dr. Spald. Spalding. It was so good to have you. We are the the Making of the American Mind. Thank you so much. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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I will be. I will be at amfest next. Next week.

[Charlie Kirk]

Perfect. We'll see you there.

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