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Charlie Kirk
This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.
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Andrew Blake
The Charlie Kirk show starts now.
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Mike Benz
The governor pushing to bring Turning Point USA's Club America chapters to every high school in the state. Turning Point USA CEO Erica Kirk joins me now from Helena, Montana. Erica, it's great to have you on the show. I mean, the governor spoke so proudly of what's happening in Montana and these, you know, Club America chapters. This is a big deal.
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Charlie Kirk
I mean, it's.
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Mike Benz
They would become. It is the fifth state now after Texas and Florida and Oklahoma and Tennessee to do this. And it is significant to have this kind of predicate in Montana and these other states. What did you think of today's gathering?
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Charlie Kirk
It is, and it's very special because Governor Gianforte and his amazing wife Susan have been friends with Charlie since he was 18. So he's been with Charlie for this mission for a very long time. And he and Charlie both recognize that the best way to get civics back into the school system is through Club America. And that's the solution that he understands that's a solution that Montana is solving and so honored and proud to be working alongside him. And also we will be adding Nebraska and Indiana in the coming weeks to that list. So we have, I think, 43 left to go for our states to partner with.
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Mike Benz
One at a time. It's all you need is one at a time. You talk about when Charlie was 18. I want to play some sound. This is from Fox and Friends. This is back the last summer in July when Charlie was talking about the. The start of TP USA and also how key the youth vote was. He said the following here.
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Andrew Blake
Why did you call it Turning Point?
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Mike Benz
You know, at the time, I felt as if we were kind of in a generational turning point. That was right before the reelection of Barack Obama. And I had just graduated high school. I kind of saw the liberal influences in curriculum. I grew up in the northwest suburbs of Chicago in Wheeling High School. And there I was, a young high school graduate with no money, no connections, and no idea what I was doing. I said, hey, I think we could do a better job of reaching young people.
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Andrew Blake
The tables have completely flipped over the.
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Mike Benz
Last decade, and it goes to show that this patriotic revival is being led.
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Andrew Blake
By the youngest Americans.
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Mike Benz
That should give everyone a lot of hope. I find it interesting, Erica, because he used the phrase patriotic revival, and you can tell that that patriotic revival is underway. I mean, we have, we have Jack Posobec and Andrew Corvette on our show all the time talking about this, and the numbers keep growing. And every week I think, oh, it's going to slow down. The momentum is going to slow down. It just doesn't happen. The momentum is building.
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Charlie Kirk
Yes, it is. And God is so good. And it's really powerful because Charlie knew that you don't just talk about the youth. You talk to the youth. And he was. He has put us in a position where this is such an authentic and true movement. I mean, case in point, you have high schoolers, some of them, that are walking out for those ice out walks our students. Instead of walking out, they're holding hands in a circle around the American flag, praying. There is a huge juxtaposition between what we are providing for our students rather than the other side. And so it's really powerful. And Charlie, before he was murdered, he told the team, Andrew Seifer was in that meeting, our chief field officer. He said, I want a high school chapter on 35,000 high school campuses. And Andrew's like, I don't think there's that many high schools in the country. So they looked it up. There's 27,000. So Charlie was like, okay, let's do 25,000 high school chapters. I'll give you a, you know, a little bit of a Delta there. But he. He was intentional. He knew that Club America was the future. And anyone who's watching this right now, whether you are a parent, a student, I just want to encourage you to get involved. I want you guys to be able to know that there is a place for you and it's. It's with Club America. And that's where my heart is at. My children are Gen Alpha. That's going to be the incoming freshman class. I also want to be able to pour into these students for them to know that in this upcoming election for midterms, it is your first time to vote. And that is very powerful. And I want these students to understand that your voice is in that ballot box. It is not with a weapon, and it's not to murder people. You need to get out there and vote and be able to understand what you're voting for. It's so, so important. And I'm just honored and blessed that Charlie entrusted not just to me, but our whole entire Turning Point USA team to carry this mission forward, because God knows this country needs it. And the only way to heal and move forward, aside from having, obviously the Lord involved, is for Club America and our college chapters all across the country.
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Andrew Blake
Charlie Kirk Show.
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Mike Benz
Every day there's a battle for your mind Raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not.
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Andrew Blake
You found the place for truth.
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Mike Benz
The voice of a generation that still.
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Andrew Blake
Has the will to believe in the.
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Mike Benz
Greatest country in the history of the world.
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Andrew Blake
This is the Charlie Kirk show.
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Mike Benz
Buckle. Here we go. All right.
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Andrew Blake
Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. It is February 5th, just days before the big game here at the Bitcoin.com studio in Phoenix, Arizona. Blake, good morning.
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Blake (Co-host)
I'm so excited for the physically large game.
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Andrew Blake
Love it. We've been finding different ways to say different things for certain reasons.
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Blake (Co-host)
A prominent national organization is very territorial about the names of its physically large.
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Andrew Blake
Games and we're totally fine with that. We are very fine with that. I cannot wait for the all American halftime show. That'll be at approximately 8pm Eastern right here on Real America's Voice. Robin Parker, Sig, huge shout out to you gentlemen. You have believed in us and in this vision from the very get go Real America's voice is going to be playing that live and I think they've got some plans like before and after. Maybe I'll, I'll give him a call and see how I can help. It was briefly mentioned to me, so it's going to be huge. I've seen the rehearsal. I have actually seen some of it and oh, it's awesome. It's. It's like amazing, actually. I don't want to oversell it because, you know, then you. There's nowhere to go but down. But it's really good. Really, really good. And very, very. It's beautiful, too. It's. The team has just done a tremendous job. Another piece of news here. Erica Kirk, you saw that in the cold open. If you were watching it, Erica Kirk was up with governor Greg Gianforte in the great state of Montana yesterday celebrating a new state partnership with that state to get a club America chapter in every chapter, every high school rather across that state. So add that to the list of Texas, add that to the list of Tennessee, Florida, Indiana, Nebraska, Oklahoma. So we're making huge, huge moves there. So thank you to the governor, Greg Gianforte, who's known Charlie since he was 18. So that's a long time relationship there. Very proud, honored to be doing that. We've got thousands and thousands of high school chapters. That's the way you think about the ice walkouts. You think about the indoctrination of the Grammys and Hollywood and all that stuff. And meanwhile, turning point. We've got all American halftime show celebrating faith, family, freedom. Amazing content that a made for TV concert experience that's good for the whole family, celebrating faith, family, freedom. And then we've got high school chapters rolling out all across the country. So I like to think that Charlie would be smiling down on us, and I believe he is. We want to get into some rather less positive news, unfortunately, for a few reasons. I actually think it has national importance, and that is the abduction of Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie's mom. So Savannah Guthrie is the host of the Today Show. She's been hosting that show since 2011. She was a co host of the Third Hour, Chief Legal correspondent, later becoming a main co anchor in 2012. She previously served as a White House correspondent for NBC News from 2008 to 2011. And what's kind of tragic about this is it ties into another current event in that she was supposed to be hosting the 2026 Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Italy. So obviously that's not going to be happening because her mother, Nancy, who lived in Tucson or lives in Tucson, where she grew up. Where she grew up. So just down the road from us here, really, really close to the border, she was abducted from her house. It looks like sometime on Sunday she failed to show up at church as she always did. And that was so striking to those who are used to seeing her that they immediately reported her as missing. They went to check on her missing. So when I heard this story, Blake, and it's gonna sound weird, but you were the first person I thought of. And the reason I say that is because when Charlie was here and we were living through Biden's border invasion, we kept warning, you kept warning specifically about the rise of kidnappings in South America and how we were basically opening our doors to the same culture here.
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Blake (Co-host)
Is that a long term thing? Is that as you as the border between the US And Latin America would break down? I feared. And we don't know, just to clarify, we don't know all the facts here, so this is still speculative on our part. But they do think a kidnapping here is very plausible. They seem to have a ransom note of some kind. They think it might be real. I believe her pacemaker has stopped updating with her Apple watch. And so it seems like she's out of range of it. So various reasons they think it's real. And a thing that this got us thinking of is in Latin America, a very common crime relative to the United States is kidnapping specifically for ransom. In Venezuela, for example, we have an image of this.
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Andrew Blake
We do throw it out.
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Blake (Co-host)
Three in Venezuela under the Chavez government, they had a breakdown, law and order. And so they Started having thousands of kidnappings per year. That would be like having thousands in a nation.
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Andrew Blake
The size of California increased under Hugo Chavez by 1,716%.
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Blake (Co-host)
Exactly.
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Andrew Blake
Abduction.
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Blake (Co-host)
And that's like going into 2011. I don't know what the rate was over the past 15 years, but I think it remained high. And it's not just Venezuela, Mexico. I think in 20, 22 or 23, they had 100,000 missing people in a year. That's like a one in a thousand chance of going missing each year in Mexico. I think a lot of that gets resolved eventually. But that's just the thing. It's such a regular industry in the U.S. missing people are usually like, it could be a custody dispute or it could be someone kind of ran away and they're just genuinely disappeared. Or like, tragically you have, you know, kidnappings that unfortunately end in murders. But you don't see too much kidnapping for ransom as a business model.
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Andrew Blake
And I need, just need to be clear for accuracy sake. We don't know who took her. They don't have any leads. They have no suspects. I mean, this is. They are trying to get as much help from the community, ring cameras, all of those things. The FBI has been called in Cash Patel is in the President Trump has spoken with Savannah Guthrie saying that, you know, the full force of the federal government, law enforcement is going to be there helping. There's also been a rant. Yeah, there it is. There's the truth. Social saying that the president spoke with Savannah Guthrie. I think that that's really touching. I'm sure Savannah Guthrie is a liberal person, probably not a supporter, but here in her time of need and you know, they've even gotten a ransom note that now they can't say that it's 100%, with 100% certainty that it is accurate, that it is authentic. But there are some reasons to believe that it probably is. Let's go ahead and play this. From a local affiliate in Tucson, Kold 13 News. They are the ones that received the alleged ransom note tied to the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie. And the station's anchor Mary Coleman here tells CNN why she believes this might not be a hoax. 485.
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Charlie Kirk
There are a few things that we.
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Andrew Blake
Can share as far as what the contents were. A lot of it is information that.
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Charlie Kirk
Only someone who is holding her for ransom would know. Some very sensitive information and things that people who weren't there when she was taken captive would know. So those are things that are concerning.
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Mike Benz
We immediately sent that information over to the Sheriff's department.
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Senator Rick Scott
Department.
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Charlie Kirk
And they're of course looking into the.
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Andrew Blake
Legitimacy of it, but also included a.
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Charlie Kirk
Dollar amount, a deadline, and again, other specifics that only industrial abductor might know. So that definitely raised some red flags.
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Andrew Blake
So just to repeat, it says the alleged ransom note included a dollar amount, a deadline, and again, other specifics that only Guthrie's abductor might know. And there is, we have an image. This is a blood splatter down, I believe, on the front porch of the home, which I've been told is sort of like low velocity blood splatter. So something like maybe from a bloody nose. And you know, so it's as opposed to a gunshot or something like that where like more high velocity splatter. So the hope is that she's still alive and that she is being held somewhere, hopefully held for ransom. And in the next segment, we are going to play the Guthrie children along with Savannah. She's right in the middle a video that they've just released saying that we are ready to talk. So if you have Nancy, if you have our mother, please, we want to talk, please release her. It's heart wrenching. It's gut wrenching. I just want to warn you. So on the other side of the break, we will play that and then we'll go through the timeline of events because again, this does potentially have national implications if, if we find out ultimately that cartel factions were involved. We'll be right back. All right, so let's go through this timeline. So night. January 31, 2026. At about 9:30, Nancy Guthrie, 84, arrives at her home in the Catalina foothills area of Tucson, Arizona. So it's kind of outside of town, a little bit remote. She had spent the evening having dinner with family, including her daughter Annie, who drove her home. It is believed Annie is the last person to have seen her mother. Sunday, February 1st. So that was late at night. 2:00am in the morning, Guthrie's pacemaker syncs with her Apple devices at home for the last time. Investigators believe she is taken out of range around this time. 11:00am Nancy fails to arrive at regular church service, a member of which calls her family. 11:10 Family members arrive at her home to find it empty. 12:15, Pima County Sheriff Department receives a missing person call. Deputies respond and find Nancy's car phone and wallet still inside the home. Blood drops are found leading outside toward the driveway. The doorbell camera had been removed. So the I think that's a really important detail there, that the doorbell camera had been removed. By Monday, Sheriff Chris Nano says He believes Nancy Guthrie was taken against her will approximately between 9:30pm Saturday and 11am Sunday. So it's a pretty big window. Although that pacemaker syncing with the Apple devices at 2am for the last time would probably indicate that it happened after 2am so the home is treated as a potential crime scene and homicide detectives are involved. And now you've got all of federal law enforcement. Kristi Noem was doing some border wall visits down in the Tucson sector, so she's now been dispatched to help. Another key that I think is, you know, a lot of people I haven't heard people bring up, but is that customs and border patrol are involved, which again, it could just be all hands on. We'll learn more, we'll learn more, but.
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Blake (Co-host)
Certainly speculate on this for a reason because it is just to cite other examples, is here in Phoenix we've also seen a surge in sort of, we saw, especially during the Biden years, we saw the surge in international burglary rings. We saw international fencing rings, as it were. People would steal cars up in Scottsdale and they would be in Mexico in six hours and you're never going to see them again after that. There is a real, there's an internationalization of crime in the United States that is entirely downstream of the fact that we have had a totally open border for so long. And we hope this isn't a manifestation of that. But at least in my opinion, it's hard for me to not immediately think of those kidnappings for ransom that have happened so often in Latin America. If you follow pro sports, a real thing is pro athletes who came from Venezuela or from the Dominican Republic, places like that, they have to worry about their family members getting kidnapped because they know they have a rich relative in the United States.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, it's a real problem. And you think about Savannah Guthrie, obviously on the Today show. Huge, huge celebrity. And she just has this 80 octogenarian mother out kind of in the outskirts of Tucson sitting or living seemingly alone. You know, it was interesting. My mother's reaction to this was that, you know, I'm not sure I would want my 80 plus year old mom to be living out alone. And I was like, well, but she's, that's just, she's independent. She should have every right to do that.
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Blake (Co-host)
Never think about civilization is the ability for the weak, the elderly, the vulnerable to live in safety.
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Andrew Blake
And yes, that's a great point.
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Blake (Co-host)
That steadily goes away. You do not uphold civilization.
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Andrew Blake
Well, it's interesting too. We're going to have Senator Rick Scott on next in the next segment. And you know, Florida is a place where you mentioned Venezuelans, you mentioned all of this Latin American community that has gathered in Miami and South Florida. And you know, they love it there because civilization, law and order. Because they actually have a government that means business and isn't gonna let crooks run the streets. Anyways. Here's the video of Savannah Guthrie and her sister and her brother in law addressing the ransom note rumors. And they speak directly to their mom. Nancy.465 we too have heard the reports.
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Charlie Kirk
About a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can. We are ready to talk. We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen.
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Mike Benz
Mommy.
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Charlie Kirk
If you are hearing this, you are a strong woman. You are God's precious daughter. Nancy. We believe and know that even in this valley he is with you. Everyone is looking for you, mommy, everywhere.
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Mike Benz
We love you, mom.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, that's really touching stuff. I've heard it for the first time on the drive in to the office. And it. It. It's emotional stuff. There's no doubt. You know. And I think God, goodness, I. I think everything we've lived through too makes it harder for some reason because you know, just these high profile cases where you're forced to sort of be strong in a public sense like that, it's just. It's excruciating stuff. And so our hearts and prayers are with Savannah Guthrie and her family and with Nancy, her mom. Pray that she's okay. And man. So the couple more clips here. This is Kristi Noem saying DHS is assisting with the search for Nancy Guthrie. 466 they have asked us to help.
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Charlie Kirk
With some of our canine teams and CBP has partnered with the other agencies involved. But we're all just heartsick about this.
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Andrew Blake
And hope she's found soon and that.
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Charlie Kirk
She'S found safely and that we can get to the bottom of what really happened.
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Andrew Blake
And it looks like the search for Nancy has picked up backup at Guthrie's house. So I don't know if they're sweeping for more details here or more clues. 464 that the sheriff's department announced yesterday that they had cleared the crime scene at Nancy Guthrie's home and handed it to back to the Guthrie family. Well, just a short time ago a whole bunch of sheriff's deputies showed up there along with border patrol agents with dogs and members of the FBI. And they put the tape back around that house, sealing it off. We believe that there is a search ongoing in part of the area around.
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Mike Benz
Around the back of that property.
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Andrew Blake
Right now. We don't know exactly what they're all looking for, but certainly there is suddenly very intense activity back at Nancy Guthrie's house. So that that's an interesting thing where they clear the house, they give it back to the family and then they move back in and tape it all off. So interesting. I want to show this image though, kind of back to your earlier point. 49 2. This is a pic of map of Tucson's proximity to the border and corresponding Border Wall 492 here. So if you look at this map, the red portions of it are finished wall, new border wall from President Trump, orange are older border wall, yellow is like vehicle fence, green is damaged border wall. So it's a pretty, I mean, stretches into New Mexico. A lot of that land where there isn't border wall is either very second, second priority border wall area very remote or it's mountainous. But I do believe the plan is to complete it all the way through. So just something to keep in mind as we talk about that story. Rick Scott joins us next.
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Mike Benz
JD Is fantastic and Marco is fantastic. How are they both doing A good.
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Senator Rick Scott
Different and I do think this, it's a great question.
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Mike Benz
I think that's your most interesting question.
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Senator Rick Scott
I would say one is slightly more.
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Mike Benz
Diplomatic than the other. I think they're both of very high intelligence. I think there's a difference in style. You know, you can see the style yourself. But they're both very capable. I do think there's the combination combination of JD And Marco would be very hard to be beaten I think but.
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Senator Rick Scott
You never know in politics, right?
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Terrence Bates
The president also turning heads for his true social post in support of Today show host Savannah Guthrie and her family as police continue to search for her missing 84 year old mother Nancy taking a truth social 47 writing I am directing all federal law enforcement to be at the families and local law enforcement complete disposal immediately. That's a quick check of your headlines.
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Mike Benz
On air and on fire for the preservation of our nation. The Charlie Kirby Show. All right.
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Andrew Blake
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Senator Rick Scott
Well, I mean, we're always cautious, but, you know, we have great sheriff's departments. You know, we great police departments. We don't have sanctuary cities in Florida, and we've got tough enforcement laws. So if you're convicted in Florida, you serve 80, you have to serve 85% of your sentence. And so there was. I saw something on, what, CNN a couple of years ago, and they said, oh, yeah, we don't commit a crime in Florida because they put you in jail. We just go down there to party.
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Andrew Blake
Yes.
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Senator Rick Scott
And I think. I think what's happened around our country is people know where to commit the crimes. You know, they know where to go. So. But, no, we. We don't have. You know, first off, you're right. You know, a lot of the kidnappings, it's sort of common in Latin America. And, you know, the nice thing is to come to our state, you know, we don't have it. You know, we got a lot of water between us and that. So we. We haven't had the same issues that they've had in some other places. And I think the other thing. We're not a sanctuary city, and we have tough enforcement laws.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah. Well, our hearts and prayers are with the Guthrie family. It's really just a terrible story. And it's their video they released is just heartbreaking. And so we are praying for Nancy Guthrie, that she would be reunited with her family. Hopefully, she's safe and well. I want to turn our attention, Senator, to the save act now. There was a clip yesterday. I believe our team is pulling it. I'm not sure if we have it yet. We do. So this is Leader Thune, and he's talking about the pushback that he's getting from Democrats on the SAVE act in the Senate. 495.
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Senator Rick Scott
Their political base is demanding they fight.
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Mike Benz
With anything that President Trump wants. It is Trump derangement syndrome. It is on steroids around here these days. And even logical, commonsensical things like ensuring that if you're going to vote in an American election, you ought to be.
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Senator Rick Scott
An American citizen, they're going to just instinctively oppose. So that's what we're up against.
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Andrew Blake
So no mention there, Senator, of, you know, maybe the getting rid of the zombie filibuster, as Senator Lee has called it. There's no talk of putting it in a reconciliation bill. Did not inspire a lot of confidence for me. The floor is yours. What's the status of this highly popular policy?
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Senator Rick Scott
Well, we're gonna get it passed. I don't know how we're gonna get it done, but Senator Mike Lee and I are focused on this every day. A lot of our friends in the House are focused on this. You have to have an ID to go on an airplane. You ought to have an ID to vote. You know, I'd have to. You should be able to register to vote if you're, you know, you can't prove your citizenship. Can't vote. I mean, I can't vote. I wouldn't vote for Macron in France or Starmer and you in the uk But I don't get to vote for them. So you get to vote if you're illegal. We have to use the talking filibuster. It's not changing the rules, it's enforcing the rules. It's just saying if you want to, if you want to stop, if you want to slow down the process, you can go talk. But this idea that you don't have to talk and we have to wait for 60 votes to show up is wrong. So we're going to, you know, we're going to keep talking about it. You saw the President posted about it last night that if you, if the Democrats, you know, want to slow something down, you're going to have to talk on the floor. But we have got to get things passed that are good for this country. We've got to, you know, we've got to secure a border, we've got to get Homeland Security funded, we've got to get ICE funded, we've got to Pass the Save America Act. There's a lot of things like that. And we, if we, you know, if the Democrats are not going to work with us, then we have to use the talking filibuster to get it done.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah. So let's go into what the talking filibuster is. And we had Senator Lee, kind of when he first floated this idea on the show, talking about.
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Blake (Co-host)
Sounds pretty straightforward.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, but, but, but take a step back. We think of 60 votes to break cloture is. It's kind of like we just assume you need 60 votes to do anything. In the Senate, that's not really true. Obviously, we have reconciliation. But when you actually look the history, it started in, like, 1917 when they really kind of started using this, but it was used very sparingly. But in our modern era, it's, we just think 60 votes. You gotta have 60 votes. And basically, in our divided world, we can't get 60 votes on anything. Explain to the audience what it's like in the Senate. What's the workaround? How do you get this done? Is there support to get rid of this zombie filibuster? The floor is yours, sir.
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Senator Rick Scott
Well, number one, if this is important to you, you need to call your senator, let them know that the Save America act or any other bill you think is important has to get passed, and you've got to use the talking filibuster to get it done. So all we're going to do is request are the Democrats to do what they should do. The filibuster was simply a decision by the Senate to say, okay, at some period of time, we're going to stop talking and we're going to vote. I think Clarence Thomas got two votes. All right, so, but they didn't use, they didn't use the filibuster process to prevent him from ever having a vote. So the bottom line is, is that we've got it. We've got to, you know, do what, do our job. If we want to talk, if you want to go talk, have at it. But when you're done talking, we are going to vote, and it's going to take 50 votes plus the vice president to pass legislation or pass noms. That's what we have to do. Now, the noms, we've already changed because the Democrats wouldn't block everything. So, and this is just, they don't want Trump to get anything done. They want, you know, right now where they want to shut down the government. They don't want, they don't want a good economy so we have got, we have to do this. And by the way, if we want to save this country, we've got to make sure people feel comfortable that our elections are fair. I mean, I mean just the concept that you don't have to show your ID to vote is foreign. Americans believe it. Republicans, Democrats, we all believe you have to do this. And so that's. We're going to get this done. I'm going to keep fighting. I know Senator Lee's going to keep fighting to get this done. The president is on board. Right. He knows we have to use the talking filibuster to get his agenda done.
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Andrew Blake
So that's your word to the audience, is that this will get done. Do you believe that Senator Thune is ready for that type of battle?
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Senator Rick Scott
Well, we haven't done it yet. So I tell everybody the way I think DC works is until it happened, be hopeful, but take action. So what I would do is I would call everybody, every senator and say, look, you have got to get the Save America out passed. If you can't get Democrats, which they're not going to help us, then you've got to do it through the talking filibuster. And we can. Is it a pain? It's a pain in the rear. Right. But so what? You know, this is a full time job that we ought to be busting about every day for the American people. This is a very important piece of legislation that's going to save this country.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, I mean, I completely agree, but. Agree. But by the way, it's just massively popular. This is the wild thing. Even Democrats own voters support it. It's worth reiterating. Let's play the clip again. Even by the way, black Americans voted. This is their big pushback. It's Jim Crow 2.03.55. Take a look here. Favorite photo ID to vote 85% of white people. Favorite 82% of Latino. 76% of black Americans favor it. So the bottom line is this voter ID is not controversial in this country. A photo ID to vote is not controversial in this country.
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Mike Benz
It is not controversial by party and.
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Andrew Blake
It is not controversial by race. The vast majority of Americans agree with.
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Mike Benz
Nicki Minaj that in fact you should.
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Andrew Blake
Have a photo ID to be able to vote. So something of a not so. You know, I guess they're just going with, you know, black people and married women are too dumb to get voter ID and, and you know, Republicans are racist.
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Senator Rick Scott
No, they want fraud. They want. No, Andrew, you're being too nice. The Democrats know they can't win with their policies. This is. They want fraud to win.
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Andrew Blake
I love it when you tell me I'm being too nice. This is great. Yes, continue. I totally agree. The only explanation is they want to cheat. That's the only thing.
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Senator Rick Scott
That.
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Andrew Blake
That's it.
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Senator Rick Scott
That's the only explanation.
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Andrew Blake
By the way, kill the zombie filibuster and make them go on the floor and actually defend the indefensible. Make them do it. No.
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Senator Rick Scott
Yeah. I mean, listen, look, they want to defund ice, okay? They don't care about the American public. Think about how could you want to defund ICE when you, when you, you have stories of Lincoln Riley or Jocelyn Lingari or Rachel Moran or you hear the stories of these little girls being raped and then you're saying you don't want ICE to have. Have the ability to get rid of these criminals. It's the craziest thing in the world.
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Andrew Blake
No. And, Senator, I mean, listen, again, I just want to reiterate out of abundance of caution, we do not know who abducted Nancy Guthrie. We don't. But if we find out that it was cartel related or if it was, you know, people that shouldn't be in this country, it's going to add a really important wrinkle to this. Really quick question for you, Senator, on the DHS funding. Where do we stand? Nowhere.
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Senator Rick Scott
I mean, they're not getting funded. I mean, you know, this is. I mean, the Democrats, they want to shut down this stuff. They want to destroy the Trump presidency. They don't. They don't care about all the crime that come in this country. They don't care. I mean, they are in for. The Democrats are in for open borders with criminals and gangs. They're all okay with that. But there's some wonderful people want to come into this country, come in legally, as we have a process for that and we can improve that. But no, the Democrats will not fund ice. Their proposals make no sense. Right? So they don't ask local law enforcement to do these things. Why are they asking ICE to do it?
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Andrew Blake
Senator, you know, listen, we've got Leader Thune. He's the leader of the majority in the Senate. We backed you to be leader. And so I'm just gonna hang our hat on your assurance that you're gonna get this done, because I believe it is existential to get in the SAVE act passed. The future of this country. You know, we had Coach Tuberville on saying that, you know, the Republic as we know it could be over if we don't get election integrity, basic Measures like an id. Thank you for fighting. We're going to take your word to the bank and we believe you can do it. Get the save act passed. We'll be right back. All right, I want to tell you about our friends over at Y Refi. If you've been watching the show for any matter, any amount of time, you will have heard me talk about why Refi? Because we are all in with why Refi? And you think about it, the mission is perfect. We talk to students on college campuses over at Turning Point and it's students that, that when they get their little piece of paper, that doesn't get them a job. But they're struggling under the debt of the college cabal. Private student loan debt in this country is over $300 billion and $45 billion of that is labeled as distress. So these students, they spend all this money, Blake, to get degrees that don't matter for jobs they can't get that are probably gonna be taken by AI and robots. It's very bleak for some of these young people. Why Reef, I can help you. Call them 888-yrefi34 or log on@yrefi.com quick 3 minute rate check with zero impact on your credit. I don't really actually care about your credit if you have bad credit. So don't let that stop you. May not be available in all 50 states, but if it is, you're going to want to talk to them because they will give you a custom amount for your monthly, monthly payment that you can meet. That's the key. So they're going to work with you individually to get you the amount that you can actually make the payment on. So go to yrefi.com 888 yrefi34. Check it out today. Amazing patriots. They love students that are struggling with their debt. They care about you. So that's the key. All right, we got the Olympics.
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Blake (Co-host)
They don't love the struggling with the debt.
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Andrew Blake
They love helping you. Whatever I said, I said the right thing.
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Blake (Co-host)
The Olympics. Well, we have to talk about the Olympics because among other things, Charlie loved the Olympics. 494.
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Andrew Blake
So my best memories growing up were watching the Olympics and cheering for the country I love.
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Mike Benz
I'm a sucker for the Olympics. What it should be, Jack, is an.
- [40:56]
Andrew Blake
Appreciation of excellence and people that really harness their craft.
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Mike Benz
And what country is able to achieve.
- [41:02]
Andrew Blake
That excellence collectively, if you will, in the best way. And I mean collectively, in the most.
- [41:07]
Mike Benz
Non communistic, non Kamala Harris way possible.
- [41:12]
Andrew Blake
Charlie loved the Olympics.
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Blake (Co-host)
He loved the Olympics. He loved all things that, like, were America competing for America. He even loved the World cup, which I always hated on. Because I hate soccer and I don't want soccer.
- [41:21]
Andrew Blake
Very excited about the World Cup. He is.
- [41:23]
Blake (Co-host)
He is. He loved to compete. I didn't like the World cup because I'm like, it's soccer. We can't allow soccer to get a foothold in America. And if we won the World cup, that would let it happen.
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Mike Benz
But.
- [41:32]
Andrew Blake
Well, I will tell you, the one bit of soccer that I enjoy watching is the World Cup. I can't help it.
- [41:38]
Blake (Co-host)
Don't do this.
- [41:39]
Andrew Blake
Because I'm like, Charlie, I want America to win. Vice President Vance has been arriving. He's in Milan to greet the Team USA 470. B roll works. 470. You also got the whole Vance family is arriving in Italy. 471. You can keep just going through some of this stuff. They pose for a photo with Team usa.
- [42:10]
Mike Benz
I.
- [42:10]
Andrew Blake
By the way, I saw the clips of JD with the. The Olympians. And legitimately, he seems the most excited I've seen him in a long time. Like. Excuse me, like legitimately geeking out on being with them and the way he was talking about him. So. But of course there, you know, is some controversy. Apparently it was called the Ice House. Yeah.
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Blake (Co-host)
They're mad that they called the Ice House because it's winter. But then now ice is a bad word. We can't have that.
- [42:41]
Andrew Blake
So they had to change it to the Winter House. Oh boy. Which is just very cringe.
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Blake (Co-host)
But there's an even more revealing thing, and I think this. It shows how we really have not defeated the woke abomination that's been around forever. It's still lurking. Always wants to jump back. This is an Associated Press news report on the extremely pressing fact that Sweden has sent a Winter Olympics team to the Winter Olympics and they are too Swedish.
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Charlie Kirk
463Immigration from Africa and the Middle east is changing the demographics of Europe top winter sports countries. But that hasn't really translated to their largely white rosters heading to the Milan Cortina Winter Olympics. For instance. Team Sweden is almost entirely made up of ethnically Swedish athletes, which is hardly a reflection of the country's diversity. As Sweden has welcomed historic numbers of asylum seekers in recent decades. Experts also believe that more needs to be done by winter sports to improve accessibility specifically for immigrants and underserved communities. Communities.
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Blake (Co-host)
Experts. Experts. What experts.
- [43:46]
Andrew Blake
Have seen in a long time.
- [43:47]
Blake (Co-host)
Experts in what I.
- [43:49]
Andrew Blake
So I did not see that. Experts say more Needs to be done to improve accessibility. So, so what's hilarious about this? Okay. You get immigrants from Africa. I just, I'm just asking questions here. Is there a lot of snow in Africa? I guess there's Mount Kilimanjaro, I think. But is that like full of like bobsleds and ski resorts?
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Blake (Co-host)
I have not heard about that.
- [44:16]
Andrew Blake
So do you think immigrants, refugees from warmer climates moving to Sweden are going to be good skiers? Do you think they're going to be good ice skaters? Do you think they're going to be good curlers? Is there a lot of curling in Africa that I am unaware of in the Middle East? That is the dumbest video I have seen in a really long time. It's so bad. Experts way in experts and it's too ethnically Swedish.
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Blake (Co-host)
Experts aren't remaining silent, Andrew. The experts are saying a thing.
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Andrew Blake
This is so dumb. Like, think about how dumb this is. I'm literally. Okay. We have a lot of dumb stuff in America. We have Jasmine Crockett, we have Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. We have Ilhan Omar. We've got dumb for days. That was truly one of the dumbest things.
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Blake (Co-host)
That was stupid. That was really stupid.
- [45:19]
Andrew Blake
Okay, so sorry. The team says I missed some stuff that I need to play on this Ice House story. So we're gonna revisit the Ice House that is now the Winter House. This is Amber Glenn, figure skater on Team usa, changing the name of the Olympic venue from ice House to Winterhouse 490.
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Charlie Kirk
If something as simple as changing a.
- [45:41]
Mike Benz
Name can do anything to make someone feel more comfortable, it's really unfortunate that.
- [45:48]
Charlie Kirk
The term ice as an ice skating, like I'm here on this sheet of.
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Mike Benz
Ice and saying that it's kind of like, oh, disheartening that something so negative has taken that name from us. But that is something so minute in comparison to the struggles and the atrocities that people are facing back home.
- [46:11]
Charlie Kirk
And my hearts are really with the.
- [46:12]
Mike Benz
People back in the U.S. your heart atrocities.
- [46:15]
Andrew Blake
Hearts are with them. OK, so that, that, that Sweden video was the dumbest thing I'd seen in a long time. That actually might be dumber. So in the words of the great Laura Ingraham, shut up and dribble. Okay, I will root for you. I will root for you, Team usa. But now I'm gonna do it through grit teeth. I'm gonna do it through begrudgingly. Cuz I just. Now I know how dumb some of you are. Just shut up and dribble. Shut up and skate. Nobody stole the word ice from you. They're saving American lives. You should say thank you. God bless our law enforcement officers. And, and you know, thanks for your service. That's what you say. And you don't, you don't do that, whatever that was. Amber Glenn, Dear Lord. Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna pivot into hour two. So a lot of you emailed us about Jay Beecher on Epstein yesterday. We have the great Mike Benz who's gonna add some additional content. Blake's gonna love it on Jeffrey Epstein. You're not gonna miss it. One hour with Mike Benny Benz.
- [47:32]
Terrence Bates
Terence Bates here with your real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump will not be at the super bowl this coming Sunday, but his NBC interview with Tom Lamas will be televised on the championship games. Pre show coverage. Here's just part of what you can expect on Sunday.
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Mike Benz
JD Is fantastic and Marco is fantastic.
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Senator Rick Scott
And I do think this, it's a great question.
- [47:56]
Mike Benz
I think that's your most interesting question.
- [47:58]
Senator Rick Scott
I would say one is slightly more.
- [48:00]
Mike Benz
Diplomatic than the other. I think they're both of very high intelligence. I think there's a difference in style. You know, you can see the style yourself. But they're both very capable. I do think this, the combination of JD And Marco would be very hard to be beaten, I think.
- [48:19]
Senator Rick Scott
But you never know in politics, right?
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Terrence Bates
The president also turning heads for his true social post in support of Today show host Savannah Guthrie and her family as police continue to search for her missing 84 year old mother, Nancy. Taking to Truth Social 47 writing I am directing all federal law enforcement to be at the families and local law enforcement's complete disposal immediately. We are deploying all resources to get her mother home safely. The Guthrie family is also pleading for help from the public and offering this message directly to whoever might have. Nancy.
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Charlie Kirk
We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen. Please reach out to us.
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Mike Benz
Mommy.
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Charlie Kirk
If you are hearing this, you are a strong woman. You are God's precious daughter.
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Andrew Blake
Nancy.
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Charlie Kirk
We believe and know that even in this valley, he is with you. Everyone is looking for you, Mommy, everywhere. We will not rest. Your children will not rest until we are together again.
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Terrence Bates
The Pima County Sheriff's Office in Tucson, Arizona, has a news conference scheduled for right about now. We will monitor it for you and update you if there is new information. Well, the Winter Olympics opening ceremony gets underway tomorrow in Milan, Italy. Vice President J.D. vance and his family, they are already there and they've been meeting with members of Team USA and encouraging them this morning.
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Andrew Blake
You can tell by the ratings from the Olympics, you can tell by the fact that it really brings the country together. Everybody is rooting for you guys and everybody's cheering for you. We're so excited to be here. This has been the highlight of my time as vice president to get to.
- [50:51]
Mike Benz
Come to bring my family to root.
- [50:53]
Andrew Blake
For the Olympic team. But let me just say, personally, like, I'm amazed by the combination of excellence, sacrifice. And so I hope that you guys enjoy it because, you know, this moment, Think about this, guys. This moment is born of a lot of sacrifices from you, from your families, from coaches, from teammates, from people who've made it possible to be here. I hope you just soak it all in. I hope you win as many medals as possible. But of all, I just hope you enjoy the experience. The whole country, Democrat, Republican, Independent, we're all rooting for you and we're cheering for you and we're going to make us proud. So thank you all and hope you guys have fun.
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Terrence Bates
The vice president is set to watch the U.S. women's hockey team take on Czechia, or what most of us still refer to as the Czech Republic. The country's current second in charge is following in the footsteps of his predecessors, Joe Biden in 2010 and Mike Pence in 2018 by visiting the Winter Olympics. Former Vice President Kamala Harris didn't attend the 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing because the Biden administration launched a diplomatic boycott of those Games over human rights concerns in China. By the way, Secretary of State Marco Rubio is also on hand in Italy for this weekend's or the next couple of weeks of events that's going to do it for your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us. Now let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Andrew Blake
Foreign. Welcome back. Hour two of the Charlie Kirk show is underway and I am very excited about this conversation with the great Mike Benz here@the bitcoin.com studio. Mike Benz has been he just had a tour de force on Joe Rogan Three hours with the great Joe Rogan. All about Epstein. So much to get into. We, of course, had Jay Beecher on the show yesterday. I loved that interview. I actually think it was a sobering kind of analysis of six years of investigative journalism. But Mike Benz has different insights. He's seeing different things. And I want to make sure that we approximate the truth here by getting Mike Benz's insights in the mix. So without further ado, Mike, welcome back to the show. It's great to have you.
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Mike Benz
Thanks. Thanks for having me, guys.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, well, I was talking to you a bit offline. The reason I wanted to have you on is because there is so much to the Epstein dump. There's 3 million documents. It's impossible for one voice to the most recent one. Yeah. To get the whole scope of what's happening here. And you've been making headlines here. We've got clips from your Rogan interview that we're gonna play. You made a lot of news in general. Just let's start at the beginning. What do you think that we learned from this? Has it added contours to your understanding? The floor is yours.
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Mike Benz
Oh, an unbelievable amount has been turned up in this. It's. I guess the way I describe it is. It's shocking, but not surprising. I don't think there's anything in. In here that has surprised me, but it still is very shocking to see the details laid out. And it also confirms, in my view, essentially from almost every angle, the way that I've tried to prescribe people or prescribe people to view Epstein in context, to sort of understand the Epstein cinematic universe beyond a lot of the kind of simple, easy to grasp onto things or the things that he was arrested for. In my view, understanding the character of Epstein helps understand the world around you and the role that he played, because there's a little visage of Epstein in almost every industry, every government, every intelligence service, every private investment fund. And so, you know, what we're getting are to know something for a fact versus to have a constellation of circumstantial evidence is a very different thing. You know, many of the allegations around Epstein until this point involved highly compelling circumstantial evidence. But so much that has turned up in these files has just been. You know, what you'd call in an evidentiary proceeding, a direct evidence. That is, it's not, oh, we think that he was talking to X or Y, because He talked to 13 of his associates, and there's a rumor going around and someone said that he did. Now you have a direct email or you have a direct, you know, a direct audio file that says X or Y. We can get all the specifics of what all those things are, because there's, frankly, 3 million of them. But, you know, I can either turn to that or you guys want to go in a different direction.
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Andrew Blake
I'll leave it to you. So I'll be honest. One of the things that I was challenging. Jay Beecher, phenomenal interview. I encourage everybody to go watch it and listen to it. But one of the things that I just couldn't shake was this sense that I've had that he was an intel asset or he was working with CIA, with. With Mossad, whatever. And he seemed to be thinking that those claims had been overblown. Yeah. Why would he work with Mossad if he could just call Ehud Barak or. Yes, he was involved, but it was softer. It was more kind of veiled in business transactions or whatever. I just couldn't shake it. And I kept pushing him on that. And I've seen that you've kind of been going into this. There's this email, Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's. Maxwell apparently threatened Mossad. And you've kind of gone into some of this, but there's so much there, and I just want to let you make those connections if they're there, if. If it's true. Because I just. I feel that it. That there's got to be a there there.
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Mike Benz
Well, I was laughing because when you said I couldn't help shake. Shake the feeling, I thought, well, you don't say. I mean, this is a. This is a bad week to be a Epstein intelligence denialist. I'll give you some. Well, we'll start with the US Side of it. One of the things that turned up in these documents that I again shocked but not surprised, is Epstein foiaed the Central Intelligence Agency twice for records about himself, first in 1999 and then again in 2011. Now, Andrew Blake, have you guys.
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Senator Rick Scott
Have you ever.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah.
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Mike Benz
If you're foia, the CIA, to see what any. Any CIA records about yourself.
- [58:13]
Andrew Blake
It has that. That wouldn't even occur to me to contemplate that as an option, you know, I guess.
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Blake (Co-host)
But I'm also not a billionaire either. Or a centimillionaire.
- [58:23]
Andrew Blake
Centimillionaire.
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Mike Benz
Okay, well, would you request for any, quote, open or acknowledged agency affiliations?
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Andrew Blake
So that was. Okay. Just so I'm understanding, Mike, he. This is in 1990. Did you say 1991 or 2001?
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Mike Benz
1999. 1992. Before he became a public figure.
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Andrew Blake
Right. Okay.
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Mike Benz
At that point, he was still a private citizen. Not publicly known, not written about in the mainstream news. It wasn't until 2001 and 2002 when he began flying the the most recent President of the United States, Bill Clinton around in Africa on his private jet that the media started to take interest in him. So he was still basically a private operative who basically two years before he became a public figure, first asked the CIA if there were any open or acknowledged links, agency affiliations. What's also interesting is the CIA. We, we actually don't have exactly what he asked the CIA, even though I think we should and I know that we are entitled to it. And now I'm happy to report that after I made a bit of a crusade about this, multiple people have now filed FOIAs to the CIA to get Jeffrey Epstein's correspondence with the CIA which is not classified because FOIA requests at the CIA are not. Now the CIA is obviously not allowed to tell you by virtue of it being a spy agency, any classified records that it has. But for example, it can send you declassified records or if the CIA has acknowledged any links to a particular individual, it can send you the records on those. But what's interesting about that CIA letter is it says with respect to your request about open or acknowledged links, we have conducted that we grant the request for documents. We have searched for documents. No documents are responsive to to that. With respect to the portion of your FOIA request that touched on classified matters, we can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non existence of such documents. Which means that Jeffrey Epstein asked for open and acknowledged agency links, but also asked something about himself that was classified. Now, for what it's worth, that is the same stock response you get when you ask the CIA for CIA personnel files.
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Andrew Blake
That is so. So he's not yet a public person and he foias the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency asking for what it has on him. Basically, yes. And we don't know exactly how he stated his question or what he included in that, but we do know that it touched on classified documents because the CIA's response was, you know, regarding that specific line of questioning. We cannot confirm nor deny. That is really shocking. Actually that's a bombshell.
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Mike Benz
What's very exciting is, is unless, unless the law is not followed by and the Justice Department does not come down on the agency for not following the law. If it doesn't follow it, we are legally entitled to actually see the correspondence between the seat because they left a in the Epstein files. Again, none of this was known until last week that again in 1999 and then again in 2011 sent an identical request. And now this is before again the, the 2019 rearrest mike. But there's a case reference number so we know they have the files.
- [62:05]
Andrew Blake
Yeah. Gotta take a quick break. We're gonna be right back with Mike Benz. Don't go anywhere. All right, folks, more with Mike Benz in just one second. But I want to tell you about why Refi. You've probably heard me talk about why Refi? Now on this show for some time, we are all in with these guys. All in. Because they actually care about you. Especially if you find yourself in a situation where you have private student loan debt, take my advice, give them a call. Maybe you're behind on your payments, maybe you're even in default. You do not have to live in that nightmare anymore. They will provide you. WireFi will provide you with a custom payment based on your ability to pay. They tailor each loan individually and they can save you thousands of dollars and get your life back. That's the right. That's the truth. They can give you your life back. We go to campuses all the time. Over at Turning Point usa, we see student after student who's drowning in private student loan debt. Many of them don't even know how much they owe. That's true. That's a fact. By the way, you can go any of our events and say, hey, how much student loan debt do you have? And they don't even know. So that's not a good. That's not a good situation there. Just go to why refi.com. that's the letter Y. Then refi so Y, R, E, F, Y dot com. And remember, Y Refi doesn't care what your credit score is. Just go to yrefi.com and tell them your friend Andrew sent you here at the Charlie Kirk Show. Love those guys. All right, Mike Benz. I. I have a co host here. Blake. Blake was. I could see his mind thinking he went to Dartmouth. He's a very smart guy, Mike. I know. Mike. Can I go way back, though? Mike? Mike. We've spots the man over. Yeah, Blake.
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Blake (Co-host)
Over his. His theories on a lot of things.
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Andrew Blake
Blake had an incredulous look on his face. I'm going to throw it to Blake. What were you thinking, Blake?
- [64:01]
Blake (Co-host)
Well, I guess I'm just thinking. I just. It strikes me as innately implausible that the reveal that Jeffrey Epstein is an intelligence asset is that he FOIA'd himself at the CIA.
- [64:15]
Andrew Blake
I guess I would ask, why would he do that?
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Blake (Co-host)
Like, why would he do that? If the CIA needed to hide anything, why would they get outed by their legalistic response to a FOIA request? I think there's, like, a lot of ways they could get around that. I just. I find it highly unlikely.
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Mike Benz
Okay. It's done through the. Blake. It was done through the privacy act, meaning there was no public alert. We only know about this because it's in the FBI file. This was. This is a way if you go through the privacy act, you can see what records there that are publicly searchable about you before without it being revealed to the public so that you can see what other people would get if they were to do that same foia. In theory, anyone could do a FOIA about Jeffrey Epstein. But if you do it through the privacy act, you get it and you get it alone. And it's kept as a private correspondence between you and your lawyer.
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Andrew Blake
That's smart, Mike.
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Mike Benz
That's how it does.
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Andrew Blake
So, you know, I learned this yesterday. I know this is public information, but it's one of those pieces of the Epstein saga that people forget that he was arrested either in the late 80s or early 90s and his partner went to prison for it anyway. I'm just saying, like, he skated free.
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Mike Benz
You're talking about the tower's financial collapse.
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Andrew Blake
Yes, yes.
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Mike Benz
Which at the time was the biggest Ponzi scheme.
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Terrence Bates
Right.
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Mike Benz
Actively in U. S. History at that time. But the. But Epstein is. Is a where's Waldo figure. I make. I make the argument that Epstein's intelligence adjacency started in 1978, 1979. There's kind of a Forrest Gump story around this. When he worked at Bear Stearns. Bear Stearns was one of the top three largest clearinghouses of the BCCI Bank. That was the CIA's bank. The. The. It went down in flames in 1990 when Bill Barr effectively covered it up. He wrote the pardons for the six BCCI officials. That's the bank of Credit and Commerce International. That was the CIA's bank for laundering basically gun and drug money to the mujahideen in Afghanistan. And you have to understand, in 1979, Iran Iranian Revolution happened at the very moment that the CIA was at its weakest because of the church committee hearings and the Halloween massacre. And the CIA was setting up a complex offshore intelligence web through a network that's called the Safari Club, the Mount Kenya Safari Club that was run by Adnan Khashoggi. This the largest arms deal in the world. Who was the Saudi middleman between the US And Israel during the Iran contra affair. Adnan Khashoggi was Jeffrey Epstein's client when he started Intercontinental assets group in 1981. After the SEC investigation of him at Bear Stearns for handling Edgar Bronfman's money on a deal involving St. Joe's Mineral Co. That Edgar Bronfman was, you know, played a very senior role in policy. He was the, he was the head of the. Oh my gosh. I know I'm blank on the name but it's. He was, he was the head of a major international Jewish advocacy group that played an effective kind of, of shadow State Department role in many aspects of the Iran war. The Reagan administration had this Iran Contra operation that involved effectively the US and and Brits getting, getting guns to Iran defend off Iraq and, and doing it through Israel with Saudi Arabia as the middleman. And it's at this time while Bear Stearns is laundering money effectively in a CIA gun running operation. This is, you have to keep in mind also there was an international arms embargo on Iran at the time. So that was illegal to do. And the. I find the Nicaragua side of that, the gun running to the Nicaraguans with the skim interesting because Jeffrey Epstein had a very lurid history in South American affairs. For example, when Ghislaine Maxwell was was asked by Todd Blanche in her DOJ interview last year to give an example of Jeffrey Epstein's business transactions, she could only think of one example to illustrate it. And that was imagine if the Sinaloa cartel was owed money by the Los Zetas cartel or rival cartel and the. They needed a way to trace the assets of the, the other cartel to get the money back. They would hire some, they would hire Jeffrey and Jeffrey would take a 10% cut, a 5 to 10% cut of the money. I just find that interesting because we're only 13 years removed, 14 years removed or so from the Fast and Furious operation. When the Obama White House greenlit in operation to run guns to the Sinaloa cartel so that they could win a gang war against the Los Ados who were cutting into effectively U.S. pipeline interests, Mexico. But the fact is, is you need to find, you need to explain how Jeffrey Epstein before the age of 30 had so many high profile clients stretching from the Middle east to France to the UK to these high level contacts in Israel. That makes sense given the fundamental constraints on someone who's 29, 30 years old from handling, being competent enough to handle billionaires money. And the fact is, is the fact that he worked on those deals, the fact that he was flying back and forth cross country to visit Doug Lease at that time who was the main British arms dealer involved in Iran Contra the fact that he was living at the time with Stanley Pottinger, who was the CIA's mop up man, who literally also got investigated by the FBI for running those same guns to Iran. But then the case was magically dropped when the FBI said the audio recordings that they on him malfunctioned. It's, it's his whole career.
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Andrew Blake
Yeah, this, this. I'm, listen, I'm riveted right here. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with Mike Benz.
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Charlie Kirk
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