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Charlie Kirk
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Charlie Kirk
The Charlie Kirk show starts now. Reuters is reporting Minnesota is suing DHS Secretary Kristi Noem in an effort to block the surge of immigration enforcement in it's likely to be the headline at the press conference out of Minnesota. We're expecting within the hours.
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Terrence Bates
These Border Patrol agents and ICE officers have acted as occupiers rather than officers of the law as they have rampaged through the Chicago area. The sweeping raids and indiscriminate violence against Illinois residents has not only been condoned by the leaders of ICE and Customs and Border Protection, more of it has been demanded. Today, my office is taking significant action. Along with the city of Chicago, I filed a lawsuit against the US Department of Homeland Security and its leadership, US Immigration and Customs and Enforcement and its leadership, and US Customs and Border Protection and its leadership.
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Reba
If the goal was to make people afraid, if the goal was to censor them in some way, it has had exactly the opposite effect. I spoke to several of the people who were involved in the citizen monitoring groups. As of Saturday, they had 4,000 additional people sign up for these groups and they do varying things at some of the schools. For instance, today a group of retired teachers showed up and surrounded the schools with a phalanx of older teachers who could have been enjoying their retirement. Instead, they're standing in front of the schools, basically telling the agents, if you're going to come here and go after the Students because they are arresting minors, they are apprehending minors in some cases. If you're going to go after the people in the school, you got to go through us first. They are out on the streets and they are calling dispatch units throughout the city to let people know where ICE is operating. There are these heat maps that they have to show where this activity is happening. So people are. When Keith Ellison said Minnesotans are responding to this, it is incredibly organized. I don't want to use hyperbole, but it almost sounds like the kinds of things that you read in school about the French Resistance. Let me ask you about the leadership in your state. Dozens of people in Minnesota have been charged and convicted with stealing millions of dollars of taxpayer money for government programs. Do you think Governor Walls did enough to stop the, the fraud in your state? And do you support his decision not to run for reelection?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, look, Governor Walz is the reason that we've got paid family leave in Minnesota. He's the reason we've got three school lunches, him and I. We've been through thick and thin.
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Reba
But did he do enough to combat fraud over these. Mayor do enough to combat fraud?
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Charlie Kirk
Look, obviously everybody could have done more to prevent fraud. And I think that's a fair point to make. Do more to prevent fraud. And you look what he's doing right now. He's setting up a whole bunch of infrastructure to do that. And by the way we look, the fraud's real. We've all got to acknowledge it. The fraud is very real. And, and by the way, when somebody commits fraud, and there are many that have done that, you investigate it, you charge, you prosecute. And yeah, you put the person in jail as an individual, you put the person in jail as an individual. You do not hold an entire community, any community, accountable for the actions of, of individuals.
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Steve Gruber
That's part of following the money.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
There are evidently some disturbing tapes of A.G. ellison in meetings with people who donated to him, then calling for political favors to stop the investigations. So we'll see.
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Steve Gruber
But again, I don't want to get out ahead of the investigation.
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Charlie Kirk
It's going to be very methodical.
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Steve Gruber
And Chris, I can guarantee you when the these, when the bear trap snaps, we're going to get these folks.
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Scott Adams (clip)
Many of my Christian friends and Christian followers say to me, scott, you still have time. You should convert to Christianity. And I usually just let that sit because that's not an argument I want to have. I've not been a believer and, but I also have respect for any Christian who goes out of their way to try to convert me, because how would I believe you have believed your own religion if you're not trying to convert me? So I have great respect for people who care enough that they want me to convert and then go out of their way to try to convince me. So you're going to hear for the first time today that it is my plan to convert Charlie.
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Charlie Kirk
Every day there's a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle with.
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Terrence Bates
The will to deceive.
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Charlie Kirk
Fear not. You found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go.
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Scott Adams (clip)
All right.
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Charlie Kirk
Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is January 13, 2026. We are here in studio. I'm Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this show, joined by Blake Neff, the one and only Blake Neff. And today we mourn the loss of another great American, and that is Scott Adams. I just saw that JD Vance actually just tweeted something moments before we came on the air. Scott Adams was a true American original and a great ally to the President of the United States and the entire administration. My PR prayers go to Scott and all of you who loved him. We lost one of the good ones, but we'll never forget him. And, yeah, it's a lot of.
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Blake Neff
A lot of newspaper comic artists are not going to get a tribute like that, I don't think. Do you remember when Charles Schulz died?
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Charlie Kirk
I do, but. But just vaguely. Yeah.
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Blake Neff
That was the Peanuts guy.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, of course, he was a great.
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Blake Neff
American icon, but that's the only one I can really think of.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I mean, so he. Scott Adams, of course, created Dilbert in 1989. And he. It was incredible because, you know, obviously we were too young to kind of understand, you know, I was too young. Blake wasn't even born yet, you know, was too young to understand this rise of corporate culture, workplace cubicle culture. And he gave voice through this comic to the quiet frustrations of working men and women that were working their way up.
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Blake Neff
Filmmakers frustrations. But also, it was. It was deeply funny.
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Charlie Kirk
It was deeply funny. It was the hapless engineer protagonist, as it was described, and a bunch of dysfunctional colleagues. And it was a cultural phenomenon. It became a cultural phenomenon that people would talk about at the workplace or at the water cooler or when they're getting coffee at work. And that's why he ultimately created Coffee with Scott Adams. It was originally called Real Coffee with Scott Adams. And it became a phenomenon that many people tuned into daily. And to just get a dose of his contrarian thinking. He had a unique blend of insight, humor, wit and optimism. He was an optimist. He genuinely was. And he was one of the first people to sort of take President Trump seriously. One of the first mainstream people to take President Trump seriously. And he paid politically for that and he paid in his career for that as well. A lot of papers around the country ended up removing Scott Adams, the Dilber cartoon from their papers. Yeah. And they, you know, and here's what they'll do. By the way, this is what they're going to do is the same thing that they did with Charlie is they're going to cherry pick a few things that Scott maybe said or take it out of context. They're gonna like remove all the other context and say that Scott Adams was this bad person or whatever. No, Scott Adams was a, was just great.
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Blake Neff
What he was is he was a man in the arena just like Charlie, where, oh, if you go out there and say things, oh, there's a risk someone might not like what you say. You might be inarticulate at some point. It's just disgusting. I want us to throw up. This is one of my favorites. Let's put up 249. This is just. You didn't have comics like this before or not comics, cartoons. So it's the pointy haired boss talking to Dilbert. My boss says we need some unic programmers. I think he means Unix, not eunuchs. I already, and I already know Unix. If the company nurse drops by, tell her I said never mind the company nurse. I don't think, I don't think you would see. You would not have seen a comic strip like I keep saying.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, a comic strip like that in it was cathartic. It was syndicated worldwide by the way. That's what's amazing about it, syndicated worldwide. So it was a phenomenon of the workplace that emerged in the 80s and 90s, probably in the 70s. And what people also probably don't know about Scott is he authored a bunch of best selling books on persuasion systems. Thinking personal success, just really great guy. I actually talked to Scott on the phone. I never met him in person. Talked to him on the phone a couple times. I was on the phone with Scott and Charlie, believe it or not. We were talking about maybe getting him on the show, how we could work together. Nothing ended up coming of those conversations. But you know, Scott did honor Charlie when Charlie was killed. And we have that clip.
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Blake Neff
We have that clip. Let's make sure we have the right one here, because there were a few. Yeah, so this was. He was on Tucker's program shortly after and he was commenting on it.
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Charlie Kirk
So this is.
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Blake Neff
I can't imagine Adams ever thought he would outlive Charlie, but this is what he had to say. Clip 239.
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Scott Adams (clip)
When Charlie Kirk died, you could almost feel this massive energy being released. You know, he. He sort of controlled it. But when it was released, you know, his. His mortal coil was no more. I feel like that energy just went into people and suddenly tens of millions of people simultaneously said, what can I do? What can I do? Right now? That's different. People don't say, I'm going to stop everything, tell me what to do. I'm going to go to church. A lot of people did. I'm going to say stuff on social media. I'm going to hunt down the people who said bad things and cancel them. But I'm going to do something. You know, we're. We're. We're going to figure out how to start another chapter of, you know, TP usa. And all of that's happening. And it doesn't seem to be slowing down, you know, the vigils, etc. If anything, the energy, it might be growing. And I've never seen anything like it in my life. I've never seen the Republicans turn into their own machine. And now it is.
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Charlie Kirk
And what's most important, I think, as well, is that Scott was wrestling with his own mortality towards the end. You know, C.S. lewis would talk about how a soldier in a foxhole, actually, you know, because he was reflecting on World War I. He was a veteran of World War I, and he was. He was doing a lot of his writings and his thinking in World War II, and he said that it can be a blessing to be faced with your own mortality and to understand that you, as a soldier, you might die and to confront the Almighty and to make peace. And Scott was sort of that soldier on a field in a cultural sense, in a media sense. And he was staring down the sickness. He had metastatic prostate cancer.
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Blake Neff
Prostate cancer that spread to his bones.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And so he was dealing with the fact that he knew he was probably gonna die. He said it, I'm going to die.
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Blake Neff
We're all going to die.
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Charlie Kirk
Yes, but imminently. Right. And so. And that could be a real blessing. And so Scott was wrestling with his own mortality and was never a believer, was never a Christian. He had great respect for Christians, but he was not himself. And so we have two clips where he himself was describing this 237.
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Scott Adams (clip)
My Christian friends and Christian followers say to me, scott, you still have time. You should convert to Christianity. And I usually just let that sit because that's not an argument I want to have. I've not been a believer and. But I also have respect for any Christian who goes out of their way to try to convert me, because how would I believe you believe your own religion if you're not trying to convert me? So I have great respect for people who care enough that they want me to convert and then go out of their way to try to convince me. So you're going to hear for the first time today that it is my plan to convert.
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Charlie Kirk
And that's, that's a very Scott Adams way to do it.
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Blake Neff
It's such an I, I'm a, I'm a tech autist kind of guy.
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Charlie Kirk
Exactly. It's. It's like an engineer, you know, doing it in only the way he can. And, and, and I, my, my word to everybody that's like, you know, that might sit. Think that, you know, this isn't, that's not an authentic way to convert. I would just say everybody's different. God makes us in mysterious ways. I actually, the last DM I sent to Scott was the parable of the workers in the vineyard. And we wanted to read this really quick, for the Kingdom of Heaven is like the land owner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard about 9 in the morning. He went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. He told them, you also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right. So they went and he went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. About five in the afternoon, he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, why have you been standing here all day doing nothing? Because no one has hired us, they answered. He said to them, you also go and work in my vineyard. When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going to the first. The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. These who were hired last, worked only one hour, they said. And you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of work for the heat of the day. But he answered to them. I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn't you agree to work for a denarius, take your pay and go. I want to give the one who has hired last the same as I gave you. We'll be right back. So we are back. I wanna, I wanna finish reading that scripture. But I'm just. I have to share this. This is really upsetting me. I just was sent this. And this is how People magazine is choosing to remember Scott Adams. Scott Adams Disgraced Dilbert creator dies at 68 that's disgusting. There it is. Disgrace. But I'm telling you, this is the exact same playbook. Parasites. Can you take the enemies of the people the banner off the bottom there for a second so people can see it? Yeah. So Scott. Yeah. Scott Adams Disgraced Dilbert creator dies at 68. Dilbert was pulled from wide circulation after Adams racist rant in 2023. Be it's such a garbage thing to do to somebody. And you know, this is what they did with Charlie. It's the same exact playbook where, you know, they take something that Charlie said out of context about black pilots or Martin Luther King and they strip it of all of the buildup, all of the context.
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Blake Neff
It's just hateful garbage.
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Charlie Kirk
And then, and then they use it to smear somebody even in death. You know, somebody, somebody retweeted my tweet on it on X and basically or quote tweeted it and said, you know, you can tell a lot about the way some, you know, a group of people by who they lionize and who, who their heroes are. And I'm like, you can tell a lot about somebody that even in death they refuse to be gracious and kind or at least neutral or just keep your mouth shut. So People magazines, shame on you. Absolute disgrace.
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Blake Neff
We got someone who sent in their favorite Dilbert. They had a. They have a Dilbert strip hanging in their cubicle.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Blake Neff
And Gilbert talking to the pointy haired boss. May I talk to you after the mandatory meeting?
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Charlie Kirk
Whoa, whoa.
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Blake Neff
I didn't give you approval to attend that meeting. The meeting is mandatory. Approval is mandatory too. Okay, whatever. May I go to the mandatory meeting? All requests must be in writing. It's mandatory. It's mandatory. If people start bending the rules, before long murder will be legal. And then it shows him talking to his co worker afterwards. That was the best mandatory meeting I've ever been to. They handed out free cash. Shut up.
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Charlie Kirk
It was funny. It was good. I was never like, really that into cartoons, but I was really into like, you know, it was one of.
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Blake Neff
It was read like three of them and that was one of them.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, well, there's not a lot.
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Blake Neff
There's a lot of them are really bad. I do they still exist, I guess. Do newspapers still exist?
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Charlie Kirk
They do. They do exist, Blake. It's. Yeah, there are newspapers. Listen, I want to. I just want to remember that Scott took a great personal toll for this. And the way the verse ends with the parable of the workers in the vineyard is that the first will be last and the last will be first. And so Scott came to his faith at the end almost as like Pascal's wager. And maybe Blake, if you want to describe that for the audience who's.
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Blake Neff
Oh, yeah, so he does. Then there's another clip where he's more forthright about it. So Blaise Pascal was a French mathematician who laid out an argument that basically, you should embrace theism, you should embrace Christianity because the rewards of eternal life are great. And the if you're wrong, you lose. You're just worm food, so you lose nothing. Now, the funny thing is, is Pascal, a very logical man himself, did not convert for that reason. He had a religious experience, like just had a divine vision. And he was a super Christian after that. But it's an argument that has a lot of. It's debated a lot, certainly among, you know, computer programmer types.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, this is exactly what Scott Adams is. Sort of an engineering brain, a contrarian thinker. And so he did sort of wrestle with the risk reward, analysis. And some people might say that's not authentic. I think it was the most authentic way Scott could approach faith, that he struggled to embrace his whole life. And so I would just say welcome. Welcome to the fold. You know, we're honored to have you, Scott, and, you know, may you rest in peace. And we expect to see you someday. And I hope you say hi to Charlie for us up there.
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Blake Neff
He was. He was the man in the arena. That's all those attacks on him. You think of that Theodore Roosevelt quote. I know Charlie was a fan of it. It's not the critic who counts, it's the man who's in the arena, the man who is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly. That's the man who matters. And that's what he was doing. No, he could be attacked by people because he bothered to say something that was Relevant and controversial period.
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Charlie Kirk
Yep, exactly. And, you know, I think it was Matt Walsh who said, you know, especially in the aftermath of Charlie's death, and he was reflecting on all the attacks against Charlie from the left or whatever, and he basically was just like, may we all experience, may our enemies rejoice when we die, because that means we were truly effective. And the fact that they just like the pettiness of it, I think just makes them look disgraced.
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Blake Neff
Dilbert creator.
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Charlie Kirk
I think it makes them look disgraceful. The only party disgraced in this instance is people. All right, that. Is it. The fact that you could just say Dilbert creator Scott Adams dies at 68. Why couldn't you just go with that? Guess not.
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Blake Neff
Famous cartoonist? Famous cultural commentator?
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Charlie Kirk
Well, yeah, I mean, like, for real. And obviously he means a lot to a lot of people. We're mourning him. The whole, you know, of X is mourning him. The Vice President is sending out tweets. There's going to. I feel.
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Blake Neff
I feel we're actually underselling this just because it's been a long time. And what really made him super notable with our faction is in 2015, 2016, he was one of the first guys to really take Trump seriously as a. As a political candidate who would lay out an argument. Okay. What Trump is doing when he's on stage, where it's unpredictable and silly, and he's. He's saying stuff that seems outlandish, he's actually doing something powerfully persuasive to people and he could win the election doing this. And he was just saying this back when everyone else on television was saying, oh, he's just a dumb clown. It's never going to go anywhere. He was saying, no, you guys are wrong about this. And he put his. Well, he put his reputation where his mouth was, and he was proved right. Trump actually did win that election.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, well said. I think you're right. And there is kind of this cast of, like, OG Maga originals, like the Mike Cernoviches, the Jack Posovics, the Charlie Kirks, the Scott Adams, the people that saw early on.
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Blake Neff
I don't even know that he was a Trump supporter. He was just actually willing to say, this guy is effective at what he does and it's going to be persuasive to people. It was that master persuader line he used. I remember that one.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, well, no, absolutely. And, you know, his wife read a statement this morning, and they did a coffee with Scott Adams after his passing. We had heard that he went to hospice, but his wife confirmed that he was of sound mind and that he did accept Jesus Christ. So God bless Scott and thank you for your contribution. We honor you on this show because we honor brave men and women that stand up for what's right, that are the men in the arena that do take the slings and arrows for the rest of us. Charlie was one of these men. Scott was one of these men. And you know, it's really sad to lose two great Americans in such quick order. It really is. And that was the first thought I had when I saw the news this morning that it breaks my heart that we've lost another one. It really does. Because listen, people are going to come and they're going to fill the ranks. You know, I'm loving the, you know, some of these people like Nick Shirley that are coming and doing great things and we want more. We need more in this space. We need more sane actors, more rational actors, more persuasive actors and good faith actors. And Scott was one of those people that and talented ones too, because he.
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Blake Neff
Wasn'T just a political guy. He was a hugely. He had something funny and interesting to say and millions of people are going to remember him for that. And that's a good thing to aspire to as well.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, absolutely. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen joins us next. We got a funding showdown coming in the Senate. We'll talk about that, Iran and much more. We'll be right back.
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Terrence Bates
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Charlie Kirk
Stop watching the news and start making some The Charlie Kirk Show. All right. America's turning 250 years old this year, which is awesome.
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Blake Neff
Never thought I'd make it.
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Charlie Kirk
I never had a doubt. I never had. Well, you know, I think our founders would be amazed that we're 250 years old.
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Blake Neff
They were, they were, they were all super black pilled in the early years.
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Charlie Kirk
Of they were, they're like what have we done?
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Blake Neff
Except James Madison, James Madison always was hopeful.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake Neff
That's like 99.
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Charlie Kirk
It's like. Yeah, what is this? We said we wanted the 90s back, and at least in Oklahoma, we have it. This is great.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
In the 90s, it was like 78 cents a gallon. But no, no, it was really. I was. I was filling up my work trucks. However, at least in 97, 98, but it's still yet to be under $2 a gallon is pretty amazing. This is the difference, right? So Oklahoma has the lowest gas prices in the country because we embrace our fossil fuels and. Drill, baby, drill. And California has the highest gas prices in the country, and they're shutting down rigs and drilling activity on a daily and shutting down pipelines on the daily. Go figure how those two would run hand in hand.
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Charlie Kirk
So you have multiple counties in Oklahoma at buck 83. Average gas price in California right now is $4.21.
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Blake Neff
Honestly, that's lower than I'd have expected. You could have told me it was over five diesel's.
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Charlie Kirk
484, 86. I mean, I just think it's amazing. And then you've got California. This is not what we were planning on talking about here, Senator, but you got. California has lost. There was a New York Post article that I was reading this morning. California has lost a trillion dollars of wealth. So Sergey Brin and all these other billionaires are fleeing the state. Peter Thiel, multiple others, opening up satellite offices in Texas and Tennessee and Florida because they're gonna tax. Or they're proposing to tax the wealth. So. And that could be unrealized gains as well on billionaires. So if you are on paper a billionaire, they're gonna tax 5% of your wealth, just take it to fund their medical. They're gonna shore up the medical books where they're giving free healthcare to illegals.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
In that state or give it to the homeless because that's worked out so well.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, right.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Don't forget they, they ran off the wealthiest man in the country or in the world. Elon Musk.
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Charlie Kirk
That's right.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Who now is in California too. And so you just, you can't make up crazy. New York is going to be the same way. I mean, it's just a matter of time before the New York Stock Exchange moves to Dallas, Texas and you start looking at cost of building. Right. The cost of building in California is somewhere between 400 and $450 a square foot. It's half that in Oklahoma. So you can build a house and actually make it affordable. I mean they talk about affordable housing in California, but they regulate themselves out of existence. And yet in Oklahoma that's just called daily life. Because we have good governance, because we have a red state instead of a blue state.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I think that's a really fascinating dynamic of modern American cultures. This, this divergence between red states and blue states. It's getting further and further and it's.
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Blake Neff
We'Re seeing it in the migration patterns. If you look at, it's, we saw this with Minnesota. People are leaving Minnesota for the first time in ages. They're all moving to Texas, Florida, Oklahoma. The south generally gets a lot of people and yeah, they just can't get out of California or New York fast enough. You, I'm glad you mentioned Elon Musk. Have you seen this? All the other billionaires were bailing just before the New year because they, they have that initiated measure that might be on the ballot to do a retroactive wealth tax, a one time bill, which, which in California.
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Charlie Kirk
That's what we're talking about. Yeah, exactly. I didn't realize it was retroactive.
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Blake Neff
Yeah, it was. That's, that's why they're all bailing. It's not just Musk. It's like, you know, the Google guys and all, probably a bunch we've not even heard about.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, I'm out of all bailing. I left. I now live in Phoenix.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Hey, I have, I have a guy, a friend of mine and I won't mention his name, but he's, he's just a southern Louisiana back roads swamp boy that has done very, very well at business investments. And he doesn't do, you know, tech companies. He does, he does like construction industry companies. He's done very, very well for himself. And he left California and he moved back to Louisiana and he moved out. Actually he left in, in I think April or, or May of last year because what was happening. And he's. He loves. He's married a girl from California, but he's like, you know, it's.
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Blake Neff
It's.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
You can't afford to live there anymore.
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Charlie Kirk
No, it's. And it's up and down. It's like. Yeah, it's like registering your car in California is like a thousand bucks if you have an suv. I mean, it's.
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Blake Neff
It's.
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Charlie Kirk
It's up and down the price of school. There's no school choice. You know, we moved to Phoenix, you know, after Charlie died, and it's like, there's school tax, you know, choice. Right. So you get a voucher if you send your kid to a private Christian school. It's amazing. It's like right off the bat, you're. You're saving yourself 7, 500 bucks to school.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
So my. My. Totally off subject here, but just California, how they're aggressively going after everybody. My. My son, back in 2020, had a brain injury, rheumatic brain injury. And we had to go through rehab. And we had. The only rehab center that was. That was specialized in his cognitive rehabilitation was in Bakersfield, California. So we. I literally lived in an RV with my son on and off for 18 months. And I was talking about it at a. You know, either. On. Either on a show like this or TV or something. But anyways, California found out about it, and they tried to charge me taxes, and I had to prove to them that I wasn't there consistently the whole time that I was. I was leaving most weekends and going back home and that we were there for medical reasons. Had to get, literally, doctor notes to keep me from having to pay income tax in California.
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Charlie Kirk
Geez. Are you kidding me? That's.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
I'm not joking.
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Charlie Kirk
That's amazing. That's a really amazing story. So we're. Again, we did not plan on talking about any of this with the senator here because there's actual. We got a shutdown fight looming in Iran. But this is. This is. I thought of this. This is.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Tamika Mallory's open for business, by the way.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. Listen, I'm telling you, red states are booming. The cost of energy across the board in red states is like half, if not less than that of blue states. But it's more than this. Look at what Mamdani is doing in New York. Senator, this is Tameka Mallory. I thought of this as we were talking. I had the team grab it. This is the new crime advisor that Mamdani has appointed. Play cut 280.
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Reba
I don't give a damn if they Burn down target because target should be on the streets with us. We calling for the justice that our people deserve. Don't talk to us about looting. Y' all are the looters. America has eluded black people. America looted the Native Americans when they first came here. So looting is what you do. We learned it from you. We learned violence from you.
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John Carney
Wow.
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Charlie Kirk
That's mom, Donnie's new crime advisor.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
You know.
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Blake Neff
Why not make her chief?
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, Chief of police. There you go.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
You know, I, I, I'm Cherokee. I'm the only. I know I don't look it, but I actually am Cherokee. And I sometimes get. People give me crap by it. And I said, man, I can't, I can't. I can't, you know, control who my ancestors loved. But I am Cherokee. That's why we ended up in Oklahoma. And my, you know, I still carried, I'm actually a card carrying Cherokee. Not like, because I have high cheekbones. Elizabeth warned Pocahontas and so, but when she said Native Americans, I tell you what, first of all, very seldom of all of us call us Native Americans. We're Indians. But it's frustrating because there is no ethnic group that serves in the military at greater numbers than Native Americans. And we're not out there rioting and causing that stuff like, like she's, like she said. And so don't pull us into that picture. We respect the rule of law and we respect law enforcement. We love America. Regardless of what happened to us. We're not out there trying to have, you know, all trying to separate ourselves from someone else. Now we are proud and proud to be Indian and we're proud of our tribes, but we fly the flag beside, you know, beside maybe our Cherokee flag along the way. But, well, you know, we're not out there carrying somebody else's flag or Somalian flags or Mexican flags.
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Charlie Kirk
You know, you're totally right. I mean, Navajo Nation in Arizona, they vote Republican. Yeah. So there you go. Do. Yeah, they do. Had a whole conversation. We actually do ballot chasing in Navajo Nation. We have a whole, like Cherokee team or a Navajo team. So.
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John Carney
Yes.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Yeah. I mean, I, when I. We have 36 tribes in the state of Oklahoma and I had 19 in the second district. And we're a red state, completely red State. All 77 counties in Oklahoma vote red. And the only state that may have a higher concentration of Native Americans is New Mexico. But I'm not sure by that. I don't think there's debate.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I think Oklahoma is the most, you know, and you guys got a Whole bunch of screwed up Supreme Court. That Supreme Court ruling, you know, that was. That was. That was a real bad one from. Was that Gorsuch.
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah.
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John Carney
Had that weird thing.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
By the way, Gorsuch is the prime example of why supreme courts need term limits. I mean, and I listen, I come from a. From a wrestling world. I come from a fighting world and I come from politics. I know arrogance. But he's the most arrogant man I've ever met in my life. I mean that sincerely. I literally stood up and walked out of his office. And that says a lot because I may be the second most arrogant, but he's the most arrogant.
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Blake Neff
Well, we want him on our side with today's.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. We need him on the terror fooling.
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Blake Neff
He has power over us. I love Gorsuch.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
I don't. I don't. I absolutely do not. And I don't want to replace him with some lib, but I do not. I have zero respect. That guy is flat out lied to me. He told me something that he never. He never fulfilled. And he told me, shook my hand on. I mean we literally shook hands and he didn't fulfill what he said he was going to do. And now he won't even return my phone calls. And so I have zero, zero, zero respect for him.
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Charlie Kirk
Listen, we can't. We can't black pill here. That's Blake's job. So we got to talk about Iran and a spending showdown. Can I keep you for another segment, Senator, since we.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Yeah, we'll do it.
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Charlie Kirk
I know you got. You got like a whip meeting or something you got to run to. So we'll. We're going to have more with Senator Mark Wayne Mullen about the actual reason we brought him on the show today in just a few minutes. Don't go anywhere.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
All right.
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Charlie Kirk
Welcome back to Charlie Kirk show Show. So we are getting live updates from scotus.
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Blake Neff
Yes. And the senator warned us about him. And now apparently, apparently Justice Gors. I'm laughing, but it's sympathetic on the trans issue.
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Charlie Kirk
Did you hear that?
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Blake Neff
Making them a protected class.
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Charlie Kirk
So. Well, you warned us.
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Blake Neff
He did warn us. He did warn us.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, there it is.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
It's pretty.
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Blake Neff
It's.
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Charlie Kirk
It's.
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Blake Neff
It's.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
It's actually really tough to make a senator speechless. I'm speechless.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. I don't. Listen, men are men and boys are boys. And the court cannot Supreme Court overthink this. Aren't they. They're going to overthink that.
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Blake Neff
Whatever they rule, they cannot overturn reality.
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Charlie Kirk
A pastor of my friend of mine used to say educated beyond their intelligence. Go ahead, Senator.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
I'm just telling you, Gorse Gorsuch, when you meet with him, he's the smartest man in the room, and he may be. I mean, obviously he's brilliant, but there's, there's, there's a, there's some very brilliant people out there that doesn't want to show how brilliant they are, but they, they, they can actually express it through humility, and that guy doesn't have the ability to do that. And for you to look at this case with, with transgender athletes in any other way, especially as a father of three, you know, three daughters who wrestle, that means they're in a combative sport. I'm sorry, you just, you know, that is a, that is a lifestyle choice when you decide you're going to transition.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I mean, absolutely. We're obviously 100% in agreement with you there, Senator. I do want to get. We have Iran coming up. There is. There was a bunch of back and forth last night. The Wall Street Journal posted something saying JD Vance is going for diplomacy, but Trump wants strike. You are. People need to understand this about you and this, I mean, this role. I'm gonna say it. You don't have to say it, sir, but I hear it from everybody that you are playing this massive go between role between the House and the Senate and then even both legislative bodies in the White House. Can you shed any light on this Iranian potential strike versus diplomacy? By the way, the vice president's office wrote back and corrected the piece in the Wall Street Journal saying that Marco and JD Are presenting a suite of options from military action to diplomacy. So they did correct the record there, but it was a lie. From this, from the go. What are you hearing, sir?
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Well, first of all, there's several people that play a good role between the White House and the Senate. I mean, the president has many friends, and I'm just lucky enough to be called one of them. So, first of all, what's Secretary Hexseth has said multiple times, mess around and find out. I'm clear. I'm cleaning that up because my wife would be mad at me if I said the other thing.
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Charlie Kirk
So our distributors of this program. Yes, continue. Right.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
So, see, I'm being very nice. And, and the president has made it very clear that he will be willing to protect the, the people of Iran if the murderous regime there in Iran decide they're, they're going to kill people en masse. And what that mass number is, I don't know what The President's tolerance is. But I will tell you, the President doesn't bluff. And he's proven that he is not afraid of Iran. He's not afraid of going in. We've proven we have the capability to destroy their air defense system and to strike anytime and anywhere. And he made it very clear that he could have taken out the leadership if he wanted to, but he decided not to. And so I wouldn't be surprised if you see some military action in defense of the Iranian people. And I like to say this, in 1977, when I was born, Iran was a friend of us. In fact, they were probably more western advanced in the United States than it was to accepting women in workplaces and into government and actually into ethnic groups too. This current regime is destroyed, all that. And we'd love to have a relationship back with the Iranian people. I think we have a lot in common. There was a lot of business relationships that was between Iran and the United states prior to 1979, the overthrow of Shah. And so I believe the President is actively looking at, at his position and what is the best way to support the people wanting to take back their country in Iran.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I mean, and listen, I just, you know, we obviously support the people of Iran. We want independence, we want them to thrive, we want them to throw off these brutal dictators. We want them to do it. Canada on this show, and I can tell you our audience feels the same. I mean, you know, military action in another foreign, faraway Middle Eastern land. It's not like Venezuela, Western Hemisphere, Monroe, Donroe Doctrine. I think there's a, there's a broad base of support for Venezuela. It's, I think less so for Iran. So I hope that we, you know, I'm, by the way, I'm all for cutting off the oil flow, you know, the revenue from the CCP to Iran. I think that's absolutely what we should do. Moral support. Maybe there's some stuff that, you know, the off the books maneuvering behind the scenes that needs to happen with our special ops guys or whatever. I, I'm open to, I just, you know, I want to be cautious because regime change is, is messy. It's always messy and it's proven in the Middle east more so than, than ever. But I will say there does seem to be a legitimate, organic popular uprising there. Is this, the, the, the son of the former Shah that, that seems like we had a guest on yesterday, Senator, that has a lot of support from the protesters movement. I have no idea if he has a majority of support within the country. But it does seem to indicate there are some elements that are aligning for a real massive change in Iran.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Well, a regime change. This is much different than the regime change you saw underneath Secretary Clinton, who had the Arab Spring, which met, left the Middle east in complete disarray versus what's happening in Iran. This is a. This is an organic group that has risen up. And when anytime you have these organic groups or someone, be it the Shah, son or not, you know, there's difference of opinions if he's popular or not popular. I'd say he's not actually that popular popular. But anytime you see a movement like this, leadership, intense, you know, intends to move to the front, and this is the people, not the United States trying to have regime change. This is the people that's having the regime change. We're there to support the people in the event that they start being slaughtered by their own regime. Now, to pivot back to Vice President J.D. vance, that I will tell you there is no daylight. There is open discussions, but no daylight when a decision is made between the president and J.D. vance. They have a great relationship. Marco and our Secretary Rubio and the Vice President have a great relationship, but they also have such a good relationship that they can have an open discussion. But when the decision is made, when the play call is made, they are together, and that's the whole present team. What the President allows people to do is express his opinion. I visit with the President most time when he's asking a question, what do you think about this? And he's truly inquisitive. But when he decides to make a decision after he hears everybody out, he decides and he moves. And that's what's so good about this administration, is that when they move, they move together. And JD has been very open about his position sometime on the use of military force, but he is probably one of the smartest guys you'll sit down and talk to when he's truly wanting to get to the facts. He's not a guy that makes decisions off emotions. JD Makes decisions off of facts. And he can. He can change his opinion because of that. And that's why I have so much respect for the guy.
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Charlie Kirk
I totally agree. I mean, there's. They're going to try and drum up a lot of drama because 2028's looming. That's all it is. Okay? Just.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
Yes, of course.
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Charlie Kirk
Senator, thank you for your time. We'll talk about the funding shutdown soon. All right. We'll be right back.
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Terrence Bates
Welcome back to this REAL america's VOICE news break. I'm Terrence Bates. President Trump is on the ground in Detroit, Michigan right now as he prepares to address the Detroit Economic Club. He's also touring a Ford F150 plant in that area. Steve Gruber, host of America's Voice Live right here on Real America's Voice, joining us live from Detroit as he awaits the president's arrival at the Detroit Economic Club. Also joining us from the White House right now, RAV chief White House correspondent Brian Glenn. Gentlemen, good afternoon to both of you. Steve, want to get right to you, talk about what President Trump is going to be talking about. Obviously, in Detroit, you got to talk about the automobile industry, I would think.
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Steve Gruber
Absolutely true, Terrence. But he's buoyed by some great numbers that came out today. We heard him talked about it before he got an Air Force One headed for Detroit today. That is the inflation numbers at 2.7%. This is coupled with 5.4% GDP growth in December, Pretty good numbers for the president. Say, look, the tariffs didn't destroy anything. They're doing well for us. He's going to certainly be talking about those numbers. He'll talk about his tour at the Ford Motor plant because one of the things they're not building there is the Ford Lightning. That was the all EV F150 pickup truck. It was canceled here at the end of 2025 by Ford. They wrote off about $19 billion because the EV experiment, if you will, did not go over well with consumers. People in places like Michigan, frankly, where you've got winter, a lot of it, they don't want to rely on batteries. They want gasoline, they want diesel. I'm sure that's what the president's learning today at the Ford plant. So a lot of good numbers for the president to talk about. I'm sure we'll also hear about things like Venezuela, maybe Greenland. You know, he might just do the weave here today. Brian's familiar with that. He does the weave and he'll get a lot of topics covered at different times when he goes off script, which is always a possibility when the president has the microphone.
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Terrence Bates
Well, Brian, as the president might bob and weave or weave in certain elements into his speech, I would imagine that the ongoing Supreme Court case over men and women's sports will likely be something that it addresses.
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John Carney
It will, Terrence, that has been one thing that has been talked about on the campaign trail, keeping men out of women's sports.
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Charlie Kirk
And of course, there was a bill.
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John Carney
Passed just about a month ago banning the Transgender surgeries on minors, that needs to move on to the Senate. But I will add to this. I mean, Ford is seeing about a 6% sales increase from last year from the previous year. So all the talk about tariffs may be destroying the US Auto industry. That simply has not happened.
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Lee Zeldin
And of course, President Trump has really.
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John Carney
Been an advocate for the auto industry. And as you see him there in Detroit also, we talked about this at the end of last year, that this would be one of the things that President Trump will do going into the midterms, do these economic mini rallies, if you will, at manufacturing plants and corporate headquarters. And this is just a page out of that 2026 playbook.
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Terrence Bates
You know, Steve, I'm wondering if President Trump, from your perspective, will be on the offensive today as he talks about, say, things like tariffs, talks about the economy. Obviously, in the past, he's talked about and really touted what he's been doing. But unfortunately, there are many Americans who don't necessarily feel the impact or don't believe they feel the impact of the president's accomplishments. So do you think he'll be on the offensive or will he be defensive to some degree and explaining what all he's done?
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Steve Gruber
No, I think you'll see Donald Trump on the offensive today. Look, there are a lot of people hurting in this country still. There's no question about that. And he's going to say, look, it takes a lot of time to clean up a mess that I inherited. That will be the argument that he continues here today. Most likely, in my estimation, he's going to say it doesn't happen overnight, but we had 9.1% inflation with the Biden administration. I'll say it's a 2.7% new numbers released today. He's going to say, look, three, three quarters in a row, 4%, 4% and then 5.4% for December 2025. These are good numbers. He'll be here in Michigan. Look, this was the arsenal of democracy, a place where America's manufacturing heartbeat was felt every day. But a lot of those factories went away after nafta. We know that a lot of challenges with international trade that he's trying to refine and retune, if you will. So I think you're going to hear him on the offensive. I think Donald Trump is going to be on the, the offensive until November of 2026 because he knows how important these midterms are. The Senate probably going to stay in Republican hands, but it's the House that is so, so tight, raised within margins so he'll be fighting for every congressional seat he can find.
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Terrence Bates
Brian Glenn, Steve Gruber both reporting for us this afternoon. Good to see both of you. Steve will be talking to you throughout the day as Steve there in Detroit preparing to hear from the president. The president, scheduled to speak at the top of the hour. The moment he takes the podium will of course, take you there live. For now, let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Charlie Kirk
All right. Welcome back to the show. Hour two is underway. And I, our team that runs our merch has been, like, begging me to do this, so I'm gonna do this. The charliekirkshow store.com you can also just go to charliekirk.com and link to it. But the charlie kirkshow store.com we have a new vintage collection of some of Charlie's original T shirts that he had made when we started the show. And there's been a lot of people that email us and ask for all of this stuff. So I wanted to make sure I did that because they've been asking me for like three or four days and I keep forgetting. So Charlie Kirk show store. The CharlieKirk show store. Or just go to charliekirk.com and we have it on the main page. You can link over to it. But we have the vintage collection. God is real. Be better, work harder patriot. We have the bracelets that Charlie would wear, the be better work harder there. And it's all the original stuff. So please check it out and support the team here. Would love for you to do that. And another thing I wanted to address, we, Blake and I were talking about in the break. A lot of you have emailed us at freedom@charliekirk.com Wanting the entire catalog of past Charlie Kirk shows. We are working on that. We're going to get it up. And I don't have a timeline yet or when we can get that done, but we are working on it. Please rest assured we want to make it really easy for you all to just access all the old episodes of Charlie directly. And so we are working on that. Please rest. Be rest assured. And we've got. There's. There's projects at the turning point side to get a bunch of Charlie's content. Also like AI searchable.
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Blake Neff
And until then, I would just know if you want to find something. Now all of our old live streams are on Rumble. It can be annoying to scroll through.
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Charlie Kirk
Them, but you can find them.
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Blake Neff
And you can see our episodes have a pretty formulaic date listing. So if you go to. If you Search Charlie Kirk show on Rumble. With that format, you can probably find that old episode very easily.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So again, the charlie kirkshow store.com. check it out there. Great work from the team, by the way, getting all those up. And it's a lot of work that the merch team does, and I'm really proud of it. Okay, without further ado, we have John Carney. He's the Economist editor. I believe I got that right. I was, I was doing Breitbart Economics editor. There you go. From Breitbart News. He has been fantastic on specifically tariffs. But there's other economic news we want to get to, but we'll start there. So, Jon, welcome back to the Charlie Crook Show. It's great to have you.
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John Carney
Yeah, thanks for having me back.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, Trump has this 25% tariff announcement for anybody doing business with Iran. Simultaneously, there is a SCOTUS ruling that we're eagerly awaiting, probably tomorrow, whether or not he's even lawfully legally able to do this. Give us the update, please.
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John Carney
So, yeah, we're waiting and it could come tomorrow. The Supreme Court never tells us what in advance, what decisions are going to announce. We think they want to get to this one pretty quickly. A lot of people thought it was going to be the end of last week or this. It could be on Wednesday or Thursday. It could be any time in the next couple of weeks. One of the things that Trump's recent tariff announcement does, though, it shows how important tariffs can be to foreign policy. And this is one of the arguments for why the president should be able to impose tariffs on countries. Because it is really important to our attempt to try to contain Iran and to use the US's consumer market, which everybody in the world wants access to, to you discipline the rest of the world. If you're going to do business with Iran, you're going to have to pay a lot higher tariff to sell your stuff into the us. I think that's it actually really does strengthen his position that this is a core part of a president's ability to deal with the rest of the world. A core foreign policy power.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, it strikes me, John, as this kind of like Trump's this, this maverick. He's creative with the way he approaches foreign policy and he implements these new techniques. They're not new, but certainly in modern American, especially presidential history, he's using them in ways others haven't really done before. And he's being more public about it, he's being more brash about it. And because he's been creative with how he's wielded tariffs. He's now getting punished for it. They're coming after him saying, well, now we want to take that away from you because you're doing it in a way that we hadn't thought about before. And so we just want to punish Trump. But to your point, what happens if the Supreme Court rules against the Trump administration? In this particular case, I've seen some reports that we have to pay back upwards of $300 billion in tariff revenue. Is this even feasible? Is this possible? Is this going to happen?
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John Carney
I don't think the Supreme Court is likely to order the US Government to pay back hundreds of billions in tariffs, which is one of the reasons. Look, I listened to the oral arguments. The justices were super skeptical about whether or not Trump really does have the statutory authority, because, as you point out, there's not a lot of precedent for this. The law that they're using, the International Emergency Economic Powers act is. People call it ipa, has never been used to impose tariffs. Ironically, everybody agrees that the president could sanction a country. You could even embargo countries. You can say you can't sell anything, but apparently their theory is that you can say you can completely shut off a country from access to the US market, but you can't charge a 10% tariff for them to be able to sell into the US Market. That seems wrong to me, but the Supreme Court was skeptical that Trump has this much authority. I don't think they rule that it all has to be paid back from the U.S. treasury. I think what they're most likely to do is come to some sort of compromise where they say, yes, the president can impose some tariffs, but there's a, you know, they might make up a time limit. It's called the Emergency Powers Act. So maybe they say an emergency can't last forever, so you have a year. So that would mean we could keep all the tariffs we have, and it gives the Trump administration some time to. There's a lot of other statutes that allow the president to impose tariffs. So if these ones get struck down or get time limited, I think President Trump can come back with other ways of going, of erecting tariffs. And frankly, I think the US Senate and the House should, if the Supreme Court decides this, should actually just completely reverse it and say, no, we think the president does need this power.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, but wasn't there, I mean, pushback even from the Republican side of the aisle? There was Rand Paul, I believe, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski. The question then becomes, you know, You've kind of got these, these tricky Republicans in the Senate that we're not. So we talk about this when we're, you know, discussing nuking the filibuster. For example, you've still got Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell. That puts you at 49. You're not even at that 50, 50 mark. So J.D. vance can cast a tie breaking vote. You gotta get one of those, those tricky senators on board. And then you got Thom Tillis, who knows what's happening with him right now. He's, he's, he's causing a stink with the, the Fed.
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John Carney
So traditionally you had a lot of Democrats who would vote in favor of tariffs and supported tariffs. There may still be some hiding out there. The question is whether or not like their Trump derangement syndrome has overtaken what used to be their loyalty to the, you know, to American labor and to the working class. Maybe it has. And maybe they cannot, as a Democrat bring themselves to vote for a, you know, tariff authority for Trump, but they should. It's good for working Americans. And Democrats constantly claim that's who they're protecting. And so, you know, the fact that they won't, that would be a revealing moment.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I totally agree. I totally agree, John. And you've got core consumer prices rise less than expected. So core CPI is less than expected. You've got, what was it, a four point, I forget now, 4.9 number that we got the revision for Q3 and now. Right. You know, even got the Atlanta Fed saying that we're expecting 5.3% GDP growth in Q4 potentially that's their estimate might be high, whatever. But the point is it seems like the economic indicators are all going in the right direction right now. Part of the reason that is is because the doomsday errors about tariffs have been proven wrong again and again and again. 30 seconds. We're going to take a break and then we'll have you back on the other side, John.
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John Carney
Yeah, absolutely. Been proven wrong. Look, unemployment fell, inflation is much lower than anybody expected. The economy is growing at rates much faster than anybody expected. I think that everybody's got this wrong. When they said that the tariffs were going to somehow derail the economy or push up prices. The opposite has happened. We're having an investment boom in America. The news is good. The Trump administration needs to get that news out there. But frankly, I think it's going to get out to the American people because you just need to drive by a gas station and see that the Biden inflation Crisis is in our rearview mirror. And what's ahead, what's in our front, what's in front of us is very good.
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Blake Neff
One of our team members, Danny sent us the speaking of tariffs, Charlie being really irate about Chinese made baseballs.
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Charlie Kirk
That's right.
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Blake Neff
There's nothing more American than baseball. Baseballs should not be made in China, period. Tariff imported baseballs and make them all in America. Made in China on a baseball is a disgrace.
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Charlie Kirk
Facts, facts. One of his best takes. John Carney, you're with us here. We're reacting to all the news here. There's a lot of economic news. It is Breitbart economics editor, John, so this, you know, the Chicken Littles, the sky is falling. Economists, they have been proven wrong, but they're still going after it. They keep saying, there was reports this morning saying that, you know, his Fed approach is already being proven wrong. Can you describe this story? You know, so Judge Jeanine, I call her Judge Jeanine still. So she's got charges or she's indicting Jerome Powell. Some of these corruption allegations about the federal building that he's been constructing for years. They call him Too Late Powell. Give us the lowdown here with Jerome Powell.
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John Carney
Right. So what, what happened is Jerome Powell did something unprecedented on Sunday night. He posted a video in which he said that he has received subpoenas from the Justice Department. And he went far beyond denying having done it, you know, done anything wrong with the renovation of what people are calling the Fed Mahal, this $2.5 billion renovation to their headquarters.
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Blake Neff
He.
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John Carney
And he denied. And he went beyond denying misleading a Senate panel when he testified about it. He actually accused the Trump administration of using this inquiry into these matters and into trying to subvert the independence of the Federal Reserve. He has no evidence of that at all. And, in fact, the president immediately said, no, that we're not doing that. Judge Jeanine Pirro, who is the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, said, that's not what's happening. What happened was we had a bunch of questions about the renovation. We tried to get the Fed to answer them. They wouldn't answer the questions, which is outrageous for any part of the government to not answer inquiries from the Department of Justice. And so we had to issue subpoenas. She pointed out they haven't indicted anyone. What they are doing is just seeking answers to questions. Powell escalated this into a crisis, and then you had the legacy media freak out, act like Donald again, sort of Trump derangement syndrome, assuming the worst possible interpretation of this, that Donald Trump was using the Justice Department to go after Powell to try to seize control of the Fed. None of that is happening. And in fact, that's one of the reasons the markets have reacted to this so calmly, because people aren't seeing this as a power grab by Trump. They're seeing it as actually a very aggressive move by Powell. Look, Powell is out of office as chairman in May. Trump doesn't need to go after anybody. He gets to appoint the next guy. So the idea that, like, Trump would use the Justice Department to pursue Powell now doesn't really make any sense. And that doesn't appear to be what happened.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So, Trump, thank you for that explanation. That's actually really clarifying. Trump is touring a Ford factory right now. He's kind of touting domestic manufacturing. So we hear this number a lot, John, about how many trillions of dollars of investment, foreign, direct investment, businesses investing in the United States. Again, Scott Bessen has said that we. 2025 was setting the table. 2026 is the banquet and the feast. How true is that going to be? What can we expect? What are you looking at as far as growth rates in 2026? Because I'm thinking about midterms. So I want to know, are we going to make the deadline. Are people going to feel it financially before the midterms?
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John Carney
I do think they will. In fact, if you look at the growth rate, we had 3.8 and 4.1 is 3.8 in the second quarter, 4.1 in the second or the third now. And now it looks like we may be growing again. That Atlanta Fed, as you mentioned, says above 5%. That seems probably a overestimation to me, but we're certainly growing at a very rapid rate. The the American people will feel this. One of the probably the biggest way they'll feel this is in their wages going up much faster than inflation. That's great because it means people have more purchasing power. It means that things that they need to buy become more affordable. We're also seeing the price of energy, particularly gasoline, come down dramatically. That will also help a lot going into the midterms. It is one of gasoline is one of those things that people really get upset about. I think the relief on the energy side will actually and then that filters into all sorts of products you buy. So I think that will indeed actually help us grow really rapidly going into this new year. We sort of have this momentum built up from 2025, 2026 looks like it's going to be even stronger.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And we're going to actually have EPA Administrator Lee Zeldin on next. I'm going to talk about utility prices because I'm, I don't know that those are coming down with the, you know, commensurate with the rate of drop in gas prices. Right. We had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on an hour one, and he was talking about, you know, $83 in some counties per gallon of gas in Oklahoma. So we'll see if utility bills are coming down. A lot to discuss with him. John Carney, great work as always. We'll see what happens with SCOTUS on the tariff rulings. But it's good to hear that President Trump and the Trump administration have other outs, other levers they can pull to kind of exert their tariff agenda because I think it's actually really important from a foreign policy, also a domestic policy standpoint. Thank you for adding a lot of light, a lot of clarity. Thank you. John Carney, thanks for having me, guys. Absolutely. We'll have you back on again soon because I think this issue is not going away any anytime soon. LEE zeldin, EPA Administrator Coming up next. We'll be right back.
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Charlie Kirk
Speaking the truth no one else has the guts to say the Charlie Kirk Show.
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Senator Mark Wayne Mullen
All right.
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Charlie Kirk
Welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk show. Honored to have our next guest. That is Lee Zeldin, who's running the epa, doing an amazing job. One of the picks from Trump that I only ever hear positive things about. Lee Zeldin, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to have you.
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Lee Zeldin
It's great to be with you guys.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, absolutely. You are crushing it over there at the epa. And you know, we used to think of the EPA as like this employment killer. You know, it's just like this barrier to getting good things done, being productive as an entrepreneur in the country. You are changing that. And I'm thinking, everything's great. Everything's great. And then I trolled around Twitter yesterday and I see that the New York Times is claiming, Lee, that you've stopped considering lives saved when setting pollution limits and instead calculate only on the cost to businesses. And I love that on Twitter, it's now getting slapped with a community note because it's, it's complete hogwash. But it's gone viral. Five point. Their tweet has 5.1 million views. Because they are lying to people. Correct? This is the news.
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah. They like to write a headline like this to freak people out, to twist what would actually be accurate because they're trying to advance the narrative. It's amazing how synced up they are with others in the left wing media, Congressional Democrats, all of a sudden at once, they're all advancing a narrative that is 100% untrue. Of course we are going to be considering to factor in the impact on lives when doing our job. Our core mission at EPA is protecting human health and the environment. But what we aren't going to do is just play along with whatever the left wing strategy is of the day to try to advance Trump derangement syndro at its highest level for us. You know, we've rejected the notion that in order to protect the environment, you have to destroy the economy. We inherited a mess on all sorts of different regulations that amount to the trillions. We just saw some footage there of President Trump at a Ford factory there. In so many different ways, the Obama and Biden administrations with tailpipe emissions and electric vehicle mandates working with blue states like California, have reduced consumer choice, have increased vehicle costs. And we inherited this mess and decided with this Trump mandate, President Trump winning all the battleground states, winning the popular vote, we're going to fix all of it at once. And whether it's sending to Congress the three Biden EPA waivers to California that gave them permission to do their electric vehicle mandate, which Congress then passed the resolutions to reject and President Trump signed. It's the change to CAFE based standards that you saw Secretary Duffy announced with President Trump at the Oval Office a few weeks. It's the proposed repeal of the 2009 endangerment finding and all of the greenhouse gas emissions on light, medium and heavy duty vehicles that followed. And that start stop, that annoying, almost universally hated start stop feature on these cars that were getting rid of the off cycle credits all in one proposal, which if finalized would be the largest act of deregulation in the history of the United States of America.
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Charlie Kirk
Wow.
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Lee Zeldin
We are going to push back on the left with their false narratives, their untruth, the mess of regulation that we inherited. And our goal is to fix everything and to do it truthfully, promoting gold standard science and fulfilling that Trump mandate that the American public voted for.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, well, that's exciting. Go ahead.
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Blake Neff
It just strikes me the epa, the right, has always had to play in this unfair playing field where if you, the Biden administration or the Obama administration does something not so to pursue a political agenda and then if you repeal it, you have this panic attack where it's ah, they're rolling back the environmental.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, that's exactly, I mean, exactly. That's the headline.
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Blake Neff
We live in the 90s again.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, that's the headline. That's the implication. That's what they want to do. This is Pravda. This is fake. That they want to imply that you don't care about people's lives, that Trump administration does not care about people's lives, when the exact opposite is true. And we're actually creating an opportunity for growth again in this country and getting rid of nonsense regulations. Now, now, this is what's funny about having you on today. We had Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on an hour one and he was talking about gas prices at $1.83 in some counties in Oklahoma. You clapped back at the Governor Gavin Newsom's press office. I loved this one, by the way. This is image 303. So Governor Gavin Newsom express office is bragging about the fact that in California gas prices hit lowest levels in years. Here's what drivers will pay. So he's taking credit for what you and the president are doing. Meanwhile, so what is it around? I think average price around $4 $4.20. I just googled it this morning in California and you got a buck 83 in Oklahoma. Why is, why are you calling, let's just say garbage on this note from Governor Gavin Newsom.
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Lee Zeldin
Yeah, because California could have lower gas prices if the left wing Democrats who are destroying, pummeling that state into the ground would be advancing great energy policies like you're seeing in states where energy costs so much less, where it costs less to heat your home to fill up your gas tank, where people are able to make their dollars stretch further because there are people in government at the state level who are advancing smart energy policies. But in California, Governor Newsom and the Democrats running the legislature have been beholden to the far left. Many of them are part of the far left, pandering the far left and pushing these energy and environmental policies that are driving so many Californians to leave their state permanently for good. President Trump has been able to, through his policies, reduce gas prices to under $3 in 43 states across the country. California is not one of them. And that is because of these people at the state level in the capital of California pushing these bad energy and environment policies. So, yeah, I think that if those Democrats in California wanted to truly be part of the progress, maybe they would get the heck out of the way going forward rather than doing what they have been doing, creating a mess that's been increasing gas prices. And it's a reason why that list isn't 44 instead of 43 is because of these people who are bragging now and trying to take credit for the progress that President Trump has been delivering since the moment he came back into office.
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Charlie Kirk
It's so, like, brazen. That's what I can't get over. So they have their average gas prices in California are $40 above the national average. Set 421. It's a $40 above the national average. And you have Gavin Newsom taking a bow, saying, look at what I've done in the state of California, when everybody with a brain knows this is because President Trump's policies, what you guys are doing at the epa, it's just, I mean, you almost have to tip your hat at the brazenness of the lie. Like the fact that he's willing to do this on Twitter when he knows that the administrator, the epa, is going to come out and knock him for it. Another question we have, Lee here is that we're kind of looking at utility prices as well. Are we seeing those drop commensurate with the price of energy in other ways, like gas prices?
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Lee Zeldin
Well, there's such a huge difference in red states and blue states.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Lee Zeldin
And, you know, we saw, for example, President Trump's been pushing this pipeline called Constitution Pipeline, to deliver a natural gas from Pennsylvania into New England. New Englanders need natural gas. It would reduce our reliance on foreign sources of energy. It would make energy prices more affordable. And it's being blocked by the left wing. And you look at, you compare policies in red states where it costs so much Less to heat your home than when you look at these Democrat run states. It's not a coincidence, you know, it's not like there's nothing else to it. No, it actually tells a pretty big story when you compare the price differential between the two states. Now, all across the entire country, the numbers were going up big time when President Biden was in office. The policies of his administration, all sorts of new regulations and favoring intermittent sources over baseload power. President Trump understands the need to ramp up baseload power in his country. He understands the need to unleash energy dominance. He wants to see more pipelines being built. Thankfully they now are. He wants to see more power plants being built. President Trump has saved a clean, beautiful coal. President Trump has been getting new nuclear sites online. I've been in groundbreakings all across this country. Idaho Falls, Idaho, new nuclear facility. I was there for the groundbreaking. I was in West Memphis, Arkansas, where a $4 billion data center was being built. And it was built by with a partnership with Arkansas that provides a net benefit to ratepayers. This is a red state policies.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. This is my question for you, Mr. Administrator, is what. So you've got all these new data centers going up, right? They, we know that it's. We need it for. To fuel the AI revolution. We know that we, the President Trump and the administration, you guys at the EPA have made this a core tenet. We want to be the AI center, crypto center, but that takes a ton of energy. Are we worried that these new demands from these data centers, obviously Arkansas is a good example of it not being a concern, but because they're building capacity. But are we worried that these data centers are going to drive up prices for consumers at home?
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Lee Zeldin
It's all about how you do it, Andrew. And when you reference that West Memphis, Arkansas example, you have a partnership with the state of Arkansas and Entergy where the ratepayers end up receiving a net benefit, not a net cost, a net benefit because of that project, by the way, over $1 billion. So you get the jobs for the construction. You get the jobs long term because we're talking about a multibillion dollar project in Arkansas. And what do you have in Arkansas that really makes it all possible? Nuclear energy. We have retrofits that are going on across the country. We have small and large new builds. President Trump has saved plants that we're going to go under. And at epa, we have been pushing forth regulatory proposals that would allow more plants to be built to streamline the process to make sure that it takes less time, it costs less money. There's more certainty when making this investment. See, when President Trump talks about trillions of dollars of new investment coming into this country, this isn't some hypothetical claim of something that might happen years from now. The ground is being broken all across America already of these massive new investments that are taking place. And we're just going to keep, keep it going. We'll end up with more finalized deregulatory actions at one agency, at the EPA in one year than entire federal governments have done in the past across all federal agencies, across entire presidencies. We're finalizing deregulatory actions into the trillions of dollars and we're proud of it. And we're going to continue to stay focused no matter what, you know, the New York Times or the Washington Post or, you know, any of these other left wing outlets, no matter how much you might be, you know, upsetting some of the furthest left wing Democrats in Congress, they are not going to bully and intimidate the Trump EPA out of doing the right thing to follow through on this deregulatory pledge to the American public to grow the economy.
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Charlie Kirk
Great work. I want to say it again, of all of the operators in Trump's cabinet, you at the epa, I only hear what a great job you're doing. So, Lee Zeldin, administrator of the epa, great work is no longer an impediment to growth, but a boon. And so we thank you for your work. We'll see you again soon. Thank you, Lee.
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Lee Zeldin
Thanks, guys.
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Charlie Kirk
Final segment of the show comes up next. All right, we have updates coming from scotus. There's a few clips here that our team is pooling right now. You, you had one. Could you read it to us or do we need to wait for the clip? This was the Alito clip. Oh, yeah. Where the ACLU was forced to admit. And we're talking, of course, about there's a case before the Supreme Court about trans sports, trans athletes. This, by the way.
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Blake Neff
Yes.
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Charlie Kirk
All right.
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Blake Neff
Here we got it. So this is supposedly, I don't have the audio clip, but this is someone.
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Charlie Kirk
Watching it, grabbing it.
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Blake Neff
Alito, to decide if there is discrimination on the basis of sex under Title ix, we need to define what sex is.
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Charlie Kirk
Right.
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Blake Neff
And the ACLU says yes. So Alito says, what does it mean to be a man or a woman, a boy or a girl? ACLU says we do not have a definition for the court.
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Charlie Kirk
You know, it reminded me because you told me this in the break and I was like, That's. This is why Charlie was so good. He was. He just stuck on this question again and again and again because he knew, he knew it fried a liberal.
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Blake Neff
It just, it actually short circuits a lot of their. Imagine if they just had to go. Imagine if they tried to run past Alito with a. Well, it's. If you define as a woman, then you're a woman.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. Well, we've got. Hold on. Do we have the clip yet? We might have the clip yet. Good. Okay. We're working on the clips. This just happened. So this is all breaking. So the production team is doing a great job. I'm feeling very negative about the Supreme Court currently because I'm expecting them to come down against Trump's tariffs. And then we have Senator Mark Wayne Mullen saying some not nice things about Neil Gorsuch, Justice Gorsuch. And then you've got, you know, Amy Coney Barrett is basically saying similar. It's like calling them trans girls. There's a boy and there's a girl and there. That's what the options are. There's this trans girl stuff is. It's not a good start. It's not a good start that they're actually misrepresenting the sex of the, the, the children involved.
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Blake Neff
It's interesting that Kavanaugh does seem the most on our side because Kavanaugh was annoying in that. I can't remember the name of it, but the gay rights case, that was during the Trump first admin. It wasn't that. It was. Well, so now that I think about. I actually think he ruled our way, but he did. Right. It was like an annoying thing where it was when they ruled that like gender identity was a protected class.
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Charlie Kirk
I thought, oh, right. Well.
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Blake Neff
And then in the ruling he says, like, I ruled against this, but I want to applaud you guys because you've made a lot of progress over the last few years. I'm just really happy.
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Charlie Kirk
I have a theory on Kavanaugh that he got, he got red pilled during the company.
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Blake Neff
People have speculated on that. I don't think I. Truthfully, I don't think his record bears that out because he's been lib on stuff.
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Charlie Kirk
He's been more good than bad overall.
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Blake Neff
But I don't think, I don't think he. People have reacted to him by going, wow, he's way more conservative than we anticipated. And it must be because he's basically gone.
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Charlie Kirk
The problem with the Supreme Court right now is that Trump's first term, we have some kind of. They're not swings and misses, but they're not, they're not dominant. Right. They're not an Alito. They're not a. Here we go. Right behind your head, right here. Clarence Thomas.
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Blake Neff
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
Charlie's favorite Supreme Court justice.
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Blake Neff
It's worth noting. Yeah. Like probably, you know, the best, the two best Supreme Court justices we have were picked by two Bushes.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, and they're a little older now. That's my. They are.
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Blake Neff
That is so both of them are old. And the trouble is what I've heard, I remember speaking with someone who knew the court well. And the problem was, was like Alito and Thomas, they both kind of react to the vibe around them. So they get depressed when it's a liberal presidency and, you know, if they feel, or if they feel outnumbered on the court, but when they don't feel outnumbered, when it's, when they're getting good cases, they get excited and they enjoy being a justice and then they're less likely to retire. And that's a bother because, you know, it is, it has to be said. Justice Thomas especially is old. It would strategically be sound for him to retire now rather than, I mean, even if he were to wait another year, if we've lost the Senate through some fluke or if it's a one, you know, one vote margin, then they could conceive.
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Charlie Kirk
Stonewall.
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Blake Neff
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
77 years old, born in 1948. And he's, he is an amazing.
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Blake Neff
He's an incredible justice.
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Charlie Kirk
Alito is amazing. What's Alito's age?
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Blake Neff
I don't think he's that much. He's certainly not youthful.
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Charlie Kirk
I think he's in as well. We'll find out. I'm, I'm looking it up right now. 75 years old. He's born in 1950.
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Blake Neff
So they're both.
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Charlie Kirk
Let's, let's play a clip here from Alito questioning this. Kathleen Martinetti, the attorney arguing before the Supreme Court case, I think on behalf of trans sports rights or whatever, 309.
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Terrence Bates
That has a boys, let's say, track.
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Charlie Kirk
Team and a girl's track team. A student who has the genes and.
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Lee Zeldin
The reproductive system of a male and.
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Charlie Kirk
And had those at birth and has never taken puberty blockers, never taken female hormones, never had any gender altering or affirming surgery, says, nevertheless, I am a woman. That's who I am. Can the school say, no, you cannot participate on the girls team?
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Blake Neff
Yes, they can.
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Charlie Kirk
But that person is that person, not a woman in your understanding. The person says, I sincerely believe I, a woman. I am in fact, a woman, I think that person, not a woman.
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Reba
I would respect their self identity in addressing the person.
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Blake Neff
Self identity.
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Charlie Kirk
I would respect their pronouns.
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Blake Neff
Yeah. I mean, it's the big picture thing. Is, is neither of them. They're not, not imminently at death's door.
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Charlie Kirk
No, but.
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Blake Neff
And we have had justices who made it to 90. I believe Stevens did. And he only he lived a long time after he retired too.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, you got the Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Blake Neff
Exactly, though. So you can have people. If you do not choose the time of your retirement, God will choose the time of your retirement. And it may not be the time that men would prefer. And so we have to think about that and we have to think about these Supreme Court appointments because I don't think. Yeah, the three appointments we made, none of them were catastrophic. They're not. We had Suter, who was picked by a Republican and became a liberal member of the court. But they're also not home runs. And we're also seeing how issues have evolved. So for decades, the top concern of a lot of conservatives was, oh, we need to overturn Roe v. Wade, for example. We now have that. We need to be thinking about what are the other issues that we're looking towards. And so, for example, now it's a much bigger deal. You have to have justices who are ready to overturn, you know, the DEI regime, the anti, you know, anti white, anti male discrimination stuff, really enforce that stuff. And not everyone is great on that. And you have to make sure you're getting justices who will be skilled at that and also skilled at the coalition building aspect of it. And I talk to people who are clerks, lawyers, and they have a lot of, a lot of interesting takes on this because there are judges who might be really good on the ideology stuff, but they alienate people. And then there are judges who are good on the ideology stuff, but they're also very good at that backroom dealing stuff. And it's very interesting to talk to them.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, you have a lot of connections within, within this area. You're always talking to clerks and you, you back channel with a lot of these people. So I take your word for this. I think there, I will tell you, I, not too long ago, I was back east, I was in D.C. and I was meeting with some people that this is all they focus on, is picking and sifting through the potential nominees for a next Supreme Court justice. And there's already names being floated. They're being vetted right now, I'm telling you. So there's work being done. And there's a lot of disagreement about who's going to be the best, who's going to be the right, right pick. But it's very possible that Trump will have another pick, or potentially two, and.
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Blake Neff
We might have a majority. Trump chosen Supreme Court, and it would be a huge miss. If that's not an amazing Supreme Court.
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Charlie Kirk
There's a lot of people that, that don't want it to just go through the Federalist Society again. So that's a whole can of worms for another day. It's been a fun show. We'll be back tomorrow. See you then. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.