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Donald Trump
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.
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Charlie Kirk
The Charlie Kirk show starts now.
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Donald Trump
Wow, that's a big crowd. It's a lot of people. I think it's like a record. So these are accomplishments. We have a lot of accomplishments. And as you know, this is the anniversary, first anniversary, January 20th. And it's been an amazing period of time. We have a book that I'm not going to read to you, but these are the accomplishments of what we've produced. All page after page after page, individual things. I could stand here and read it for a week and we wouldn't be finished. Here's the book. These are all things we have. I'm going to read a few of the samples, but look at this. These are all. Each line is something that we did. Nobody did that before. And it's big stuff, too. Look, we have the hottest country in the world. Sometimes in history, there's this magic moment. Somebody appears on the scene and everything changes. I am with you. We've never seen anything like this. I will fight for you.
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Jack Posobec
This was a man who's met his destiny.
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Donald Trump
Destiny and I will win for you. He said he was saved by God in order to make America great again.
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Charlie Kirk
His victory was the greatest comeback of all time.
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Donald Trump
We're watching history, so buckle up.
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Charlie Kirk
I don't think the American people have.
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Sean Davis
Ever seen this before.
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Charlie Kirk
A government that has moved this quickly and a president that has done so.
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Donald Trump
Much when it comes to the border.
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Blake
And energy and major investments from other.
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Sean Davis
Countries, it's like warp speed, 47s on.
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Charlie Kirk
A hot streak, bringing head snapping change.
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Blake
To Washington, overwhelming the system with a.
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Sean Davis
Volcanic eruption of action.
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Blake
Trump has a mandate from the people.
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Charlie Kirk
And he's using it. And they're just getting started.
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Donald Trump
President Trump said on the campaign trail. Success will be my retribution. Despite the best efforts of those who would try to censor us, silence us, break us, destroy us, Americans are today a proud, free, sovereign and independent nation that will always be free. We're gonna have one shot at this and no other president's gonna do what I'm doing. America's back. Common sense is back. He is keeping his promise to you, the American people.
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Charlie Kirk
Inflation is down. Growth is up. The numbers don't lie.
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Blake
The economy is soaring, lowest gas prices.
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Sean Davis
Influence and record tariff revenue.
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Charlie Kirk
The USA is on a roll.
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Terrence Bates
Culminating in the signing of the one.
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Donald Trump
Big beautiful bill on July 4th.
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Charlie Kirk
The Trump economic golden age has fallen.
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Donald Trump
Steam ahead.
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Charlie Kirk
America is back. Thanks to the courage of President Trump, thanks to the leadership of his amazing cabinet, and thanks, of course, to our brave men and women in the United States military.
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Donald Trump
This is a message to the rest of the world. The days of ripping off America and Americans are officially over. Between the attacks on Iran's nuke site.
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Charlie Kirk
And the Maduro operation, the US military.
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Sean Davis
Recruitment at an all time high.
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Donald Trump
This President will go down in history as a peacemaking president.
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Blake
Peace through strength.
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Charlie Kirk
America is in charge and he's just got one filter and that is America first.
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Donald Trump
Whatever they're doing, it's working.
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Charlie Kirk
Zero illegal crossing, drug cartels frustrated less crimes.
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Donald Trump
The most secure border in the history of this nation. If you think we're doing good now, you just wait for this coming year.
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Charlie Kirk
The President isn't taking his foot off the gas in 2026.
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Donald Trump
It's a new year. The stock markets are already making new record highs.
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Sean Davis
The Trump R archives are a series.
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Charlie Kirk
Of near impossible feats. As for the next year, the American people have so much to look forward to. The President will continue to build off of his historic accomplishments.
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Donald Trump
2025 is setting the table that the banquet's going to be in 2026. This is the golden age coming, he.
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Charlie Kirk
Says make America great again.
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Sean Davis
Because every American is invited.
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Donald Trump
My fellow Americans get ready for an incredible future. Because the golden age of America has only just be America, America.
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Blake
God shed his grace on me and.
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Donald Trump
Crown like wood with brotherhood from sea to shining sea. Every day there's a battle for your.
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Charlie Kirk
Mind raging Information coming from every angle with the will to deceive Fear not, you found the place for truth the.
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Donald Trump
Voice of a generation that still has.
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Charlie Kirk
The will to believe in the greatest.
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Donald Trump
Country in the history of the world.
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Charlie Kirk
This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up.
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Donald Trump
Here we go.
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Charlie Kirk
All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is January 21, 2026. We are here in the studio in Phoenix. Welcome Blake. One year, one year, one year anniversary. We're actually going to have Sean Davis, co founder and CEO of the Federalist on in the second hour to look back at one year of President Trump's second term in office. 47.
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Blake
These things race by, don't they?
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Charlie Kirk
Oh, man. And everything that happened with Charlie just felt like it, like part of it fell into a bit of a black hole for us in here. But there's a lot to a year in review with, with Sean. We're actually going to, you know, have him review what's going on in Virginia. And his take is that it's worse than anybody has any idea about it. It portends ill. Oh, Virginia's, Virginia's doomed.
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Blake
That's what I'm telling All of my friends who are there, it's terrible. It's what I warned about. Like, at least with a lot of other blue states, they can break it hard enough that you can leave. But in Virginia, they can just keep extracting all of the money through the federal government.
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Charlie Kirk
Worse than Somali pirates there in north. I mean, by magnit. And so. But the big news of the morning, of course, is President Trump gave his big speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland and made huge news. So let's just start with the clip and then we're gonna unpack this. So President Trump made it very clear. There's been this back and forth, we want Greenland, we'll buy it. Actually, we're gonna use force if you don't play ball. A rough ruin. And Blake was squirming the whole time, very uncomfortable with this. Then at Davos, he made it clear, we will not use force, but we still really want it327.
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Donald Trump
We never ask for anything and we never got anything. We probably won't get anything unless I decide to use excessive strength and force where we would be frankly, unstoppable. But I won't do that. Okay, now everyone's saying, oh, good. That's probably the biggest statement I made because people thought I would use force. I don't have to use force. I don't want to use force. I won't use force. All the United States is asking for is a place called Greenland.
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Charlie Kirk
All we're asking for is a place called Greenland.
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Blake
All we're asking for just 560,000 square miles.
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Charlie Kirk
No, I. Listen, there is, there's a guy named Josh Wolf on X. He's the, A partner at Lux Capital, founding chair, Psy Prep. Anyways, smart guy got, got a lot of followers. This is, this, this article is getting a lot of traction. And what he's doing is he's breaking down a classic Trump negotiation tactic. That's why it's getting a lot of traction. So I want to give attribution where it's due to this, to this gentleman again, his name is Josh Wolf and he says, you know, he's kind of observing that the press thinks it's a spectacle. Europeans say it's a breaking with international norms and a rule based order. He calls that all a mirage, by the way, which I tend to agree. There is a part of this where Trump is actually doing the math correctly, that NATO doesn't work without America. That doesn't mean we want to mistreat our allies. Trump is a saber rattler he's a negotiator and I think he sees through a bunch of the rule based order which is really they get their way, America pays for it. And I think people are sick of it. And so what he says is this quote, what is actually underway. It's not all the noise listen to this is supply chain annexation dressed in cost. The costume of territorial ambition. The target is not an island. It is two geological formations in southern Greenland. And I'm going to pronounce these terribly but Kfeld and Tan Breeze that contain the heavy rare earth elements without which no advanced weapon system can be built. Dysprosium TM names that mean nothing to the public but everything to the Pentagon. These elements are irreplaceable in the actuators of F30, F35 fighters, the guidance fins of precision munitions, the sonar arrays of Virginia class submarines, and the permanent magnets of every electric vehicle motor. China controls over 90% of global processing. The United States controls almost none. The quote, unquote purchase of Greenland is not a land deal. It's attempt to break a chokehold. That's one of the very key elements. There's also the fact that Trump is now signaling to Canada that this is about building the golden dome. And he's warning Carney up in Canada, the great white north neighbor, saying, you know, why don't you watch your mouth when you're, when you're talking about these things and flirting with the CCP, Mr. Carney. 312.
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Donald Trump
Canada gets a lot of freebies from us, by the way. They should be grateful also. But they're not. I watch your prime minister yesterday, he wasn't so grateful. They should be grateful to us. Canada. Canada lives because of the United States. Remember that mark the next time you make your statements.
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Charlie Kirk
A direct shot across the bow to. He's mad.
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Blake
He's very mad. But it does, it shows why this is a double sided thing, I believe because he's being very forceful, he's being very assertive about America and I know that guy you were just reading and others like Josh Wolf. Yeah, Josh Wolf, they're very skeptical of that international order. They say it's fake and all of that. But a lot of it was. If it is fake, it was fakeness that did benefit the United States in a lot of ways. I think it was the, the presumption that nations would look to the United States, that they would orbit around us and we had to subsidize them A lot, A lot. But I think President Trump had a lot of success in basically saying, you guys are free riding too much. You need to pony up more. In fact, Denmark is a good example of that. Denmark, I was checking this. In 2015, Denmark was paying, I think, 1% of their GDP towards defense. They were, they were totally not, not spending money to defend things. And, and during President Trump's first term, he says to Europe, this is. NATO's an alliance. It's not just us, you guys have to point out. And they tripled the amount they were spending on defense. We have had some success getting these guys.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, certainly. I think, I think the. There's two points. I think Josh Wolf makes some good points with the rare earth, the heavy rare earth minerals that China largely controls around the world and that Greenland has apparently, a lot of. There's that point. There's also the point that Trump wants to build the golden dome, which will protect Canada as well. And if you look at a map that is, you know, I think we. Yeah, this map. 331, if you see this map, throw it up, please. If the US Acquires Greenland, if, you know, because oftentimes we see those maps that are laid out sort of long ways as opposed to the globe where it's properly positioned. You see how far north of the, the lower 48, and how well positioned it is to defend against attacks that might come over the Arctic from Russia, from China. There are ICBM stations that could reach the US that could reach Canada. That position is very strategic in building a global dome. And it was interesting in the, in the speech, President Trump made this point. He said, it's not just, you know, we. You got to understand, it's a psychological difference. Nobody wants to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in something that they're leasing that could go back to an original owner. You know, so that part actually makes a lot of sense. But if the US Controls those two fronts, Alaska and Greenland, the ability to Defend the lower 48 becomes extraordinarily robust, especially from ICBM attacks coming over the Arctic. So, listen, there's a lot of stuff that makes sense here, and it was interesting to me because you have been raising the alarm, Blake. I think in a lot of ways, you're worried that we're alienating our most tried and true partners in Europe, which you acknowledge have a lot of problems. I get that. I'm not saying you're giving them a free ride here, but it was interesting that your take was that his. You actually appreciated the tone this morning. Explain why you thought it was more measured.
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Blake
So, as I said, I think the biggest risk here, as I've explained, is that they look at what the President Trump is doing and it's not just, oh, he's being assertive like he is before. It's the sense, is he being unreliable? Because, for example, with NATO, you can say, naito, you need to spend more on your defense. But if you're straight up saying we are going to take territory from you, abruptly make this new demand, and if not, any number of things can happen at that point, you're basically saying, this isn't a military alliance anymore. This is a thing. This is, we can extort you, we can extort territory from you. So I like him saying, okay, we're not going to attack you. We're going to operate through the normal means. We don't want. There's always that risk that President Trump will kind of, you drive your partners away so much. They say, we're going to make partnerships with other people, if only because we just don't like you anymore.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And the question is, is that a bluff? We're going to talk about that in the next segment. But I actually love this robust assertion of American dominance. I really do love it. We'll be right back.
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Donald Trump
Foreign.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake
So we have very interesting video from.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, are you going to play the actor one or no?
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Vittorio
No.
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Blake
Well, if we feel like it's funny, but we should probably shouldn't spend a whole minute on a fake video.
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Terrence Bates
But.
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Blake
So we have Mark Root or Ruta or however he says Ruta. And he is senior official with Naito.
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Charlie Kirk
Yep. And he's at Davos.
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Blake
And he's kind of, I sympathize with him because, you know, he's clearly must be having a hard time.
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Charlie Kirk
He's a NATO realist.
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Blake
He's a NATO realist.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Blake
And. But he did say something which a lot of people are not happy about. And he basically said Donald Trump is right that Greenland is strategically important. And I think he's got to make the case. If you're not going to give it to him, you have to really up the defenses for it in a way that makes the security argument less credible. Let's play clip 332.
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Vittorio
We need to defend the Arctic.
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Donald Trump
We know that these sea lanes are opening up. We know that China and Russia are increasingly active in the Arctic. There are eight countries bordering on the Arctic. Seven are a member of NATO. That's Finland and Sweden and Norway and.
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Vittorio
Denmark, Iceland, Canada and the U.S. and.
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Donald Trump
There'S only one country bordering on the Arctic outside NATO, and that's Russia. And I would argue there is a ninth country, which is China, which is.
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Vittorio
Increasingly active in the Arctic region.
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Donald Trump
So President Trump and other leaders are right. We have to do more there. We have to protect the Arctic against Russian and Chinese influence.
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Blake
I've had this thought. I feel like it's so frustrating. The Europeans, they have to act a certain way because they just don't like Trump a lot. And so, for example, this drama we had where they sent their troops up, did you follow this?
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Charlie Kirk
Yes. It was so silly, Starmer. It was like they sent like five.
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Blake
The best one, the best one was Germany, which sent 13 soldiers. But they didn't want to aggravate us by get it used making it too military. So what they did is they took a big military plane and they landed it in Denmark, and then they put the troops on. Onto a commercial flight, and they flew them to Denmark on the commercial plane and they stayed there for two days. They canceled a planned sightseeing trip because it was too cold. And then they got on a commercial flight and they flew home. And they did all this as an obvious gesture. Oh, we're standing with Denmark against America. I feel like they would create it. President Trump loves wins. If they really don't want to give away Denmark, what they should have just. Or Greenland, they should have just said, president Trump is right here. We're calling a meeting. Here's the 5 billion, 10 billion. Some big amount of money and, like, deployment of troops we're ready to do in the Arctic, and we're going to pay for it. Well, we'll pay for America to expand their bases in the Arctic. We'll pay for this Golden Dome base he wants to build. There you go. And then President Trump, he loves to tout wins. He comes back, he's like, I made this great deal. We're expanding our bases in the Arctic, and. And they're paying for all the. We've seen how he does this. President Trump loves making deals on things, and it's so frustrating that they're not reacting that way. And instead, we get both sides digging in their heels, and we might get a renewed trade war out of this, potentially.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I think today was a step back from that. But you know what? I. What probably would make sense on your line of reasoning is you do it in sort of like a Guantanamo Bay, Cuba scenario where you, you know, if Charlie. If this is what Charlie would say, at least I'm suspecting because Charlie went to Greenland. You know, this is going in the back of my head. Charlie experienced firsthand all the love that the folks of Nuke had for President Trump. I think Greenlanders want their independence. They want to be able to vote on a referendum. But the point is, you could give or sell portions of Greenland to the United States almost in a Guantanamo Bay fashion, or you. Where we actually do own the land, it can't be taken back. And, you know, Denmark could retain ownership of the rest. I don't think Trump would be happy with that because we do want to mine it. We do want to, you know, take these rare earth minerals out of it. But in defense of a strong US Imperial economic military force, I just have to say I love it, because Trump is calling BS on a lot of this stuff where, you know, Europe is weak. They haven't grown the, you know, you've got Germany that's de industrialized itself over the last few years. Energy prices are soaring. They produce less energy than they did. I think energy prices up like 75% in Germany and they produce 20% less than they did in 2017. Huge, huge strategic mistake. Meanwhile, President Trump's bringing in 17, $18 trillion of direct investment, foreign, direct investment, businesses investing in the country. We've got nuclear plants, the brand new ones that are a lot safer, a lot more efficient, smaller, building those all over the country, building new plants, building new factories. GDP could very well be over 5%. We have a lot going for us and we are investing a lot in our military. All right, listen, I'd love to cut the debt, I'd love to decrease spending. Those are, let's put those to the side. Those are problems. But there's a lot going for America that is not going for Europe and Europe knows it. America is strong, it's aggressive, it's robust, it's muscular. Especially under President Trump. Europe is in malaise. Europe is stagnant, stagnant growth. Europe has a migration problem that is not going away anytime soon. They lack political will. They're fighting a rise of right wing populism and nationalism in their own countries and they're distracted and they have a fertility problem. So you've got all of these things. And candidly, Europe knows that they can't fight America on this. They can't even out negotiate America on this. Trump is right to call their bluff and say, you would be nothing without us. As a matter of fact, I think we have a clip that says just that, that NATO would be nothing and we asked for nothing. He kind of mentioned that before, but this is the truth of the situation. I love that President Trump is calling it. Here's another clip that I think is really important here. Actually, it sort of plays into it.
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Donald Trump
329 recent decades. It became conventional wisdom in Washington and European capitals that the only way to grow a modern Western economy was through ever increasing government spending, unchecked mass migration and endless foreign imports.
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Charlie Kirk
So why that plays in is that Trump has reversed the trend on those pieces. We have reverse migration, Europe has not.
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Blake
But you have to be careful. For example, he says, we've never asked for anything. But the Danes certainly remember they did send troops to Afghanistan. 43 of them died there. That's a lot for a country of 5 million people.
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Charlie Kirk
And I mean, in the whole scheme.
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Blake
If you humiliate your friends, you won't have as many friends in the future.
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Charlie Kirk
We'll talk about it with Jack Bassovic. He's going to be coming in live from Davos next.
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Terrence Bates
Welcome back to this REAL America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. President Trump has hit the ground running in Davos, Switzerland, as we just moments ago showed you video of the president meeting with NATO secretary General. The two, of course, discussed the economic impact of NATO, specifically the investment from European countries in that organization. President Trump also saying that he has no reason not to trust NATO's Secretary General when he says that NATO will be there should the United States need them. In the meantime, President Trump also making headlines for his hour and 20 minute speech this morning. While much of the world, of course, anticipating the commander in chief's remarks about his intention to take over Greenland, the president using the world stage to also send a warning to the Middle east, specifically to Hamas.
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Donald Trump
There are some little situations like Hamas and Hamas has agreed to give up their weapons. Now, you know, they were born with a weapon in their hand, so it's not easy to do. When they were born, they were born with a rifle in their hand. It's not an easy thing for them. But they, that's what they agreed to. They've got to do it. And we're going to know, Jared, over the next two or three days, certainly over the next three weeks, whether or not they're going to do it. If they don't do it, they're going to have they'll be blown away.
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Terrence Bates
And when it comes to the issue of Greenland, 47 using the stage to make his case for a lot for why, excuse me, allowing the United States to buy the Arctic island is in the global interest.
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Donald Trump
It's the United States alone that can protect this giant mass of land, this giant piece of ice, develop it and improve it and make it so that it's good for Europe and safe for Europe and good for us. And that's the reason I'm seeking immediate negotiations to once again discuss the acquisition of Greenland by the United States. All we want from Denmark for national and international security and to keep our very energetic and dangerous potential enemies at bay is this land on which we're going to build the greatest golden dome ever built.
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Terrence Bates
Stay tuned to Real America's Voice for the very latest from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. President Trump will, will also be speaking tomorrow morning and we will have live coverage right here on rav.
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Blake
It's time for a whole new generation.
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Charlie Kirk
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Blake
First is a direct answer to.
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Donald Trump
The question of this panel.
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Blake
Can Europe defend itself?
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Charlie Kirk
My answer is unequivocally yes.
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Sean Davis
Without the Americans.
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Blake
Without the Americans.
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Terrence Bates
I mean how?
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Charlie Kirk
Well look, you're relying on them for these key elements. How would you do it at scale.
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Sean Davis
And at duration and at.
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Blake
With an Assumption that the United States would cut off completely any kind of work. Well, if we look at the defence composure of Europe, by and large, in a country like Finland, you know, the.
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Charlie Kirk
Bottom line is that if you ask.
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Blake
Me the question that can the Finnish military defend itself against a Russian attack.
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Terrence Bates
The whole defense posture of the way.
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Charlie Kirk
In which you do it, yes, we can. Then he gets asked about it later and he says, oh, I love journalists. That's not what I said. 335.
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Sean Davis
You said earlier that Europe can defend itself without the Americans.
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Charlie Kirk
If it comes down. Not exact mics.
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Donald Trump
That's not a quote.
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Charlie Kirk
More or less. We'll go back to the transcript.
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Vittorio
More or less.
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Sean Davis
More or less.
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Donald Trump
I love journalists.
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Charlie Kirk
See, I love this juxtaposition because it's a total tell. They, they saber rattle, they play big, they peacock, they puff up their chest and they say, oh, we don't need Trump, we don't need the Americans. They don't really mean that. They don't really mean it because it's not true at all.
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Blake
It's not true though I would say it's better for us if we're interacting with them. We much more want them to start paying up but still be basically reliant on us versus if they decide America's getting a little wacky, they're taking land off of us, we need to toughen up and also make a new alliance that's not with them or worse yet with someone else.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, and that's the whole China threat that they're putting out there. Email us your thoughts. Freedomarliekirk.com I want to hear what you think. Are we. Is Trump playing too rough with the Europeans? Not. Not rough enough. Are you, do you think that they are bluffing in these entreaties, this flirtation with China? Want to Hear your thoughts? Freedomarliekirk.com, blake will be reading those in the next segment.
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Blake
Oh yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
So freedomarliekirk.com, to hear what your thoughts are on Trump's tone, his presentation at Davos this morning. But why those two clips I think are really interesting. Blake is listen to now. Okay, I'm going to grain of salt, this one. This come from rt, which is state run media with Putin. So you got to trust the translation here. But we'll play it, we'll give you the translation. But I think that Putin, when you think about it in terms of this Finnish president, makes a lot of sense here. 338. So what he says there is, you'll see it will happen quickly. Soon, they being the Europeans, the leaders will all stand at the feet of the master America, and will gently wag their tails. Everything will fall into place, you'll see. So he's basically observing that they're playing tough now, they're signaling strength in all of this. Cuz they don't like Trump, they don't like, they feel like they're getting bullied. But Putin says they'll all fall in line. Joining us now is Jack Posobec. He's live from Davos, Switzerland. He's been providing some behind the scenes clips that have been really fascinating to watch. Jackson, we're talking about this dynamic between European elites, the leadership and President Trump. Obviously there's tension, there's tension about Greenland, there's tension about NATO, NATO funding, there's flirtations with China. Tell us what you're feeling and seeing in the room this dynamic between Atlantic allies.
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Jack Posobec
Yeah, Andrew. Guys, that's exactly right. And you know, we're here, we're in the room. I remember four years ago, my very first Davos calling into the Charlie Kirk show right after getting detained by the World Economic Forum police. So, you know, here we are four years later, we're inside the building where they're in the room with President Trump and he and the US Team, they're still kind of going around here. So he's holding those sideline meetings as we speak. There's going to be reception a little bit later. But you're right, there really is this sort of tension. There's this sort of, you know, I would say even kind of a cynicism criticism of some of the European leaders saying that, oh, Trump, he's so ridiculous. This will never work, this will never happen. We can, you know, we can be rude to him. But at the same time, you've come to understand that in, certainly in the room we saw this, there were a lot of people laughing at his jokes. They were sort of rolling with the punches, rolling with the laughter. And I think that this time around, given that he's been on the world stage for so many years, they, they've started to take that, that old Scott Adams phrase where they, they take him seriously, but they don't take him literally. And what that means is that they're serious about his intentions, but they understand that a lot of what he's doing, he's going into his salesman pitch, he's going into his arc, he's saying things for effect over and over again. And it seemed that at least in the room, a lot of people got that.
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Blake
Yeah, it's very nicely mentioned that, Jack. I was, no joke. I was reading the other day the members of the Norwegian Nobel Prize committee, and one of them is this foreign policy blogger and he actually had a thing he wrote on the Greenland drama. And he basically said Trump is always in negotiation mode. And that means he's always trying to keep people off balance. He's like, he'll like, shock them by being really aggressive with what he says he'll consider any offer. He's always ready to make a deal. And it's just so disorienting compared to how a normal person is, shocks them. And it kind of relies a bit on, you know, the old Nixon idea, the madman theory. Like, part of his negotiation position is to basically be like, I'm super serious, I'm ready to invade. I've, I've thrown out the brakes on my car, I've thrown out the steering wheel, nothing can stop me. And then he actually can just stop and make the deal very abruptly.
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Charlie Kirk
I completely agree. This is what again, exactly? We talked about this guy, Josh Wolf, Jack, who kind of, you know, he said, this is classic Trump negotiation sequence. It goes like this. Signal acquisition. Denmark scoffs, Mention force. Denmark recoils. Insist on force. Loudly, repeatedly. Denmark reaches peak indignation. Others come to their side, then pivot a purchase offer that eliminates Denmark's entire national debt, 142 billion and nearly doubles Greenland's GDP, 450 billion. And suddenly the question is no longer how dare you? But wait, how much? What do you think, Jack?
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Jack Posobec
Yeah, exactly. I think that's exactly the path that I'm trying to see this. And if anyone wants to know what this is called, it's literally called the art of the deal. President Trump wrote a book about this about 40 years ago where he outlines that specific policy in great detail. He says it's what he does every single time he's in a high stakes negotiation. I think it's really interesting that so many people, people either haven't actually read that book, haven't seen him do it a million times already, and that they still seem to fall for the same exact trick. Now, one of the things that I did think was interesting, you know, coming at it from a military perspective as well, that he did talk about the need for Greenland. Not just we've heard from, you know, the Arctic shipping routes, we've also heard it from the national security in terms of those sea lanes, but he also talked about ballistic missile defense and really talking about, about the golden dome, those Intercontinental ballistic missiles, whether they're fired off from China, Russia, North Korea, even if Iran, if they were able to develop those long range ballistic missiles, they would be flying them over the top, targeting Washington, D.C. and they would inevitably fall within the territory of Greenland, making Greenland a key position, key point for the United States in any type of missile defense. And I haven't really seen him use that phrasing and use that phraseology, put it all together on the world stage. He kind of presaged it in an interview yesterday, but today was the really big one. And I think that for anyone who's looking at it seriously, he makes some very solid military points there.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, no, I agree. I think the ICBM argument is pretty strong. And I loved him, name checking Carney, telling him to know his role, know his place. I think that's important. There's another dynamic that's a little bit more on the domestic home front here, Jack. There's you got Gavin Newsom wandering around. He's calling Scott Besson smug. Scott Besson had the line of the day, I think hitting him back. 314.
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Donald Trump
Very, very ironic that you know, Governor.
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Sean Davis
Newsom, who strikes me as Patrick Bateman meets Sparkle Beach. Ken may be the only Californian who knows less about economics than Kamala Harris.
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Donald Trump
He's here this week with his billionaire.
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Charlie Kirk
Sugar daddy, Alex Soros. I've seen you behind the scenes. You've gotten iPhone video of Gavin Newsom. What the heck is going on with this? What does he think he's an accomplished. Is this just all about 2028 for him?
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Jack Posobec
I think it is. He's bird dogging. He's trying to get his name out there. He wants people to put him in the same conversation as Trump trying to put himself, himself on the same level as Mark Carney. Trudeau, he is here as well. Actually, Alex Soros just walked by a couple of minutes ago. I saw him just kind of darting out the, out the way before he could see me. And funny enough, I actually went up to that interview where I, you know, he was coming out here doing a gaggle. I walked up, you know, his, his press guy was trying to say, oh no, Jack, no, not him, not Posobic. I said, al, you know, guys, it'll be fine. Let me in. And I asked him a question. Do you have any comment regarding Don Lemon and the agitators at the Minneapolis church up there in when they were barging? And he said he hadn't heard about it. I explained the situation. Once again, he said he hadn't Heard about it. So. Well, we'll see what kind of, what kind of situation that is. But I did very quickly, you know, he caught my name and I saw his press guy sort of saying, oh, that's Jack Posobic. And I, I mentioned to him, I said, hey, hey, Governor Newsom. I was friends with Charlie and Gavin. You know, he kind of, kind of touched his heart for a second there and said, he said, wow, wow. And, you know, I think that was a really, you know, really humanizing moment. I remember Charlie and he had had that, that incredible interview that they had done together. So I thought maybe a little, little way to break the ice a little bit.
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Charlie Kirk
Well, it looks like, I'm not sure. We might have more remarks from President Trump right now. Happening studio. If you could line that up, I want to, want to grab those now. Jack Posobic, God bless you, man. Stay safe. Keep getting those questions in with the, with the world leaders. We appreciate, man. Talk to you soon.
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Donald Trump
All right. Met Mr. Toyota in Japan. So what's your name? Toyota. I said, oh, do you own the car company? Yes, 92%. I said, you didn't have to be that specific. But I said, you're rich. Yes, yes, I rich. But he's, he just announced he's going to do $10 billion worth of plants. I mean, it's amazing what's going on. Look, it's, it's amazing. We've never had anything like it or close. Nobody else has either. So I think in terms of your investments, you're in great shape. I don't even ask anybody how you're doing now. It's like everybody is making so much money. Oh, look who I see, Tim. Hi. Tim Cook. He's been good for 650. Think of it, 650 billion dollars. Okay. Can you imagine that's what he's going to be investing? More than that, I think it's going to end up being more. He's great. You know, he's great. He's done some job. You have done really some job. And we have so many people in this room that have done a job. I don't know how many have done better than Tim, but somewhere right up there with you, we better, you better get your ass moving. I'll tell you. But fantastic people, fantastic people. But I go around and I say, meet the biggest people, biggest business people. I say, congratulations. They say, on what? I said, you've doubled your net worth since I've been president. Right? He said, yeah, even more than that. They would say, even More. We're doing even better than that. And, you know, we've given you a platform where you can really put your genius to work. We have a lot of brilliant genius people in this room, and you can put that genius to work, and it's an honor to do it. In a way I'm jealous of. In a way I'm upset. There are a couple of people in the room. I can't stand them, and they've become very rich. There's nothing I can do about them. I would screw them if I could, but I can't do it. Right, Dina? I can't do it. I would if I had a chance. Chance. So I could just take them and say, you can't do what Apple's doing, but you're not allowed to do that. Newt Gingrich. Right. We can't do it, but I would love to do it, really. You know, it's one of those things. But everybody's making a lot of money, and everybody's investing money in the United States, and our jobs are through the roof. And I made a statement the other day, thank goodness for robots, because we're never going to have enough people to run all these places that are being built. And I think robots are actually going to be a very big business. I think it's going to be surprisingly big. But I think we're going to need it. We're going to need it. So we have a country that's becoming very safe. We had the best crime numbers that we've had in ever in recorded history. Perhaps they were better 100 years ago, I'm not sure. But the recorded history is 67 years. And in 67 years, they're the best numbers. And that's despite having a lot of people in the country that shouldn't be here, that we're getting out. But we're, you know, we've got tough law enforcement, smart law enforcement, and patriotic law enforcement. You know, they've been amazing. One example is Washington, D.C. you couldn't. You couldn't walk down the street in Washington, D.C. you get mugged, you get killed. They were losing 100 people. Think of it. 100 people a year and dead. You call up the parents, they come in from Iowa, they come in from Indiana to see the Washington Monument, and they end up being killed. It's not happening anymore. And I sat in the other room. People are going to dinner. They're walking. They're meeting their wives in the middle of the street, and they're walking across the street to have dinner. New Restaurants are being built at records that nobody's ever seen. They were closing. We lost half of the restaurants in the last four years during the Biden administration. Now they're all opening again. I even went to have a dinner just to show, I guess, to make a point. I went to a restaurant in Washington. I walked right down the middle of the street. I wouldn't say that Secret Service was thrilled, but if I did it a year before, believe me, it wouldn't work. Here's my other friend, Hussein. How are you? Okay, Are you good? Boy, you got a lot of good people here. This is a very good place. But so it's amazing what's happened there. Memphis is amazing. When you go to Louisiana, what we've done there has been incredible. Always much more helpful if we could have a little participation. In the case of Louisiana, we have Jeff Landry, the governor, Republican governor. We have a couple of Democrat governors. We have a couple of. Actually, we have a couple of Democrat mayors who very quietly are begging us for help. And we're making them all look very good. But I would do it if I were a Democrat, if I were a mayor or a governor, I'd be saying, Mr. Trump, could you quietly come over here and would you do this president for me? Send about a thousand troops in here, and we do it fast, and we get rid of the criminals. And it's amazing how effective. You know, I didn't campaign on this. I campaigned on law and order, but I didn't know it would be this type of law and order. But the cities, some of these cities, we've lost these cities. And we're bringing it back, and we're bringing it back quickly. Washington took us literally six weeks to make it safe and eight weeks to make it really safe. And now it's really safe. And I don't know, you know, some people disagree, but I like seeing those big, strong soldiers. You know, we won. We won in the Supreme Court, a very important case, merit. Our country was built on merit. And then all of a sudden, we got away from that, and people with A averages and high college boards and everything were not able to get into colleges. And people that had C averages and low college boards were getting in, and, you know, it's not fair, but our country is based on merit. The whole concept and the whole system only works on merit. It doesn't work on anything else. And our military works now on merit. And when you see the soldiers in the street in Washington or in Memphis or in New Orleans or in some of these places, Including Chicago. You know, we have crime down in Chicago despite the fact that we have an idiot governor and a mayor that, I mean, very low IQ person is a low IQ person. And it's amazing. You have these wonderful, beautiful black women with Make America Great again MAGA caps on. They're all over Chicago. They want MAGA to come in. And we went in in a pretty quiet way, as opposed to the way we did it in Minnesota. You know, in Minnesota, we took. We took out over 10,000 hard line criminals, people with big convictions that came in here that shouldn't be here. Brought them back to countries. In some cases, we bring them to jails. Because if you bring them back to the country, they'll find a way. Despite the strong borders, they'll find a way in because a lot of them are really evil, but they're not stupid. So we're doing a real job. The country is the hottest country anywhere in the world. Best place to invest. The great big beautiful bill is incredible. You get that one year deduction. You build something and you take the whole thing down. And I always said that's what made my first term so successful because, I mean, people were buying things that I have a friend bought an airplane. He never used it. He just bought it. He said, I get it, let's do a rep. I deducted it. He's on the plane.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, we'll keep going for the stream, but want to take a quick break. We'll be right back.
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Donald Trump
There are some little situations like Hamas and Hamas has agreed to give up their weapons. Now, you know, they were born with a weapon in their hand, so it's not easy to do. When they were born, they were born with a rifle in their hand. It's not an easy thing for them. But they, that's what they agreed to. They've got to do it. And we're going to know, Jared, over the next two or three days, certainly over the next three weeks, whether or not they're going to do it. If they don't do it, they're going to have, they'll be blown away.
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Terrence Bates
And when it comes to the issue of Greenland, 47 using the stage to make his case for why allowing the United States to buy the Arctic island is of global benefit.
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Donald Trump
It's the United States alone that can protect this giant mass of land, this giant piece of ice, develop it and improve it and make it so that it's good for Europe and safe for Europe and good for us. And that's the reason I'm seeking immediate negotiations to once again discuss the acquisition of Greenland by the United States.
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Terrence Bates
President Trump had plenty of time overnight to ponder his remarks. He arrived in Switzerland several hours later than expected due to an electrical issue on board Air Force One. While in Davos, though he is scheduled to meet with the Secretary General of NATO. He'll likely have conversations with their European, with other European leaders as well. In fact, Real America's Voice Chief White House correspondent Brian Glenn is on the ground in Davos covering the president's visit. Let's check in with him now. Brian. Good afternoon, Terrence.
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Donald Trump
I'm just outside the USA house along here. This is the main street here@davos 2026. This is one of the the USA House. This is oddly enough, it looks like a long time church and then down the road there is another one. They have seen constant traffic and constant crowds here coming in front of the USA house. Now earlier we had some protesters that were staged right outside here. And I will say the police and local authorities have done a fantastic job kind of part, you know, part participating this area to keep everyone safe because we do have a traffic flow coming through here as well. Now, in terms of President Trump's speech, it was just what we thought it would be. Very much started out as a campaign speech, but then really delivered the talking points that America is back and will be respected around the world economically and militarily as well. Talked about Greenland, talked about immigration, talked about tariffs, talked about it all here@davos 2026. We'll have continued coverage live from Switzerland in the next coming day as well. He's scheduled to speak to tomorrow.
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Terrence Bates
Back to you, Brian Glenn on the ground once again in Davos, Switzerland. While President Trump is on the world stage there in Davos, one of his nemesis back here in the United States is at the U.S. supreme Court. That would be Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, who is reportedly attending today's oral arguments in a case involving President Trump's attempted firing of Fed Governor Lisa Cook. The high court will decide whether the president has the authority to fire Cook or any members of the central bank's governing board for that matter. President Trump and Powell have been at odds as 47 has taken exception to a number of policy decisions from the Fed. That's a quick check of your headlines.
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Charlie Kirk
All right, welcome back hour to the Charlie Kirk show is underway and we have Sean Davis, co founder and CEO of the Federalist joining us. Sean, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Good to have you, my friend.
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Donald Trump
Good to be back.
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Sean Davis
Thank you.
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Charlie Kirk
I called you about this story because I am raising a five alarm, a five alarm fire for the state of Virginia. What is happening there I think is a precursor that portends ill for the entire country, especially with the midterms. You get a lot of people talking about, oh, I don't feel good about the midterms. I think we can win the midterms. I think the economic numbers are going to give us wind to our sails. But it's going to be an uphill battle. Plus, you got the Senate races, you got House races that are going to be hotly contested, Governor's mansions, all of those races in between. Tell us about Virginia. You've spent a lot of time in Virginia. Your partner, Molly's based in Virginia, I believe, over at the Federalist. And I mean, we all, we all have a lot of friends there. This is bad what they are doing in a matter of days. This is like the shock and awe first hundred days of the Trump administration only Democrat style in a blue state that only went for Kamala Harris by six points.
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Blake
With a legislature that will pass things.
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Charlie Kirk
With a legislature that were Democrats will actually pass things. Unlike, you know, our, our rowdy bunch of congressional folks that are very independent minded. Sean, what do you make of this?
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Sean Davis
Yeah, Virginia is fascinating because yes, in presidentials it's been blue, I think since 08, but it's not that blue of a state. So they just had a red governor in Glenn Youngkin for four years. It's not uncommon for them to have red majorities in the state legislature in either house. So this isn't a massive blue state like a Vermont or a Massachusetts or New York. It's actually pretty purple. A lot of people like to analogize it to Colorado. It's not, it's definitely more towards the center than Colorado, but it's faced a similar takeover. And I think what's happening there is a major microcosm, a really important microcosm for what's happening in the country writ large. And you're seeing it in this. This woman, Abigail Spamberger, career Democrat, was a former CIA stooge. She presents as a moderate. Oh look, I'm just like a pretty blonde, nice moderate lady when she is a radical left wing ideologue. And when she came in, despite Virginia not being a super blue state, she does what Democrats always do because Democrats understand power. She's going in and even though she only got, we'll say like 55% of the vote, whatever it is, she's not saying, oh, we're only gonna do 55% of what we want, we are going to do 100% what we want, cuz you can't do anything to stop it. And it's scary because the Democrat party's become so radical. It's abortion on demand. It's gutting a law that protected babies who survived abortions. It's making illegal immigration enforcement illegal itself. It's making the whole state a sanctuary. It's banning guns, it's doing speech crackdowns. When Democrats get in power because they understand power, they wield it ruthlessly and quite honestly. As horrifying as I find what she's doing, I'm honestly jealous because I would love to have a party representing me all throughout Washington, not just in the White House, that understands power, how to attain it, how to maintain it and how to wield it. Cuz the Democrats are putting on an absolute clinic in what you actually do when you're in power.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, that's really well said, Sean.
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Blake
We were talking during. So you've seen. Yeah, the abortion stuff, but this really remarkable one that was introduced yesterday, which it would only. It's a simple bill to rewrite that. When a state agency is administering federal funds, they are not allowed to impose a requirement on nonprofits to check whether anyone receiving a benefit is eligible for.
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Charlie Kirk
That benefit, which is remarkable. So their lesson that they are gleaning from the Somali fraud scheme that has robbed U.S. taxpayers of probably anywhere between 10 and 19, $20 billion and counting. We'll see how big it gets when we start uncovering Washington. We start uncovering Maine. I'm told there are new immigration crackdowns happening in Maine right now targeting the Somali community. But their takeaway from this is that we want to block oversight, we want to block accountability. And I just cannot get over this, Sean, that anything we do, even if it makes sense, even if we cure cancer, their party's reaction is to run the other way and to just put their head in the sand, complete ostrich, act like it didn't happen and defend what they think are their values. What are their values here, Sean? That they like fraud, that they like misuse of taxpayer funding. And there has to be a federal response to stuff that. Is this insane? But I don't know if this is a psychological dilemma, I don't know if this is something that needs to be studied from a sociological level, but this is patently insane. And I cannot for the life of me look at what Donald Trump and the President, immigration, economic, what we're accomplishing and see why they hate it so much.
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Sean Davis
Oh, I think it's easy. It's an uncomfortable answer, but it's an easy one in that it's entirely spiritual. If you look at something and you want to figure out which one is the good side and which is the bad side, look at the side that wants things to be ugly and chaotic and disorderly and manic. That's the bad side. Look at the side that wants to make things beautiful, that believes in order and putting things where they belong. That's the good side. And it's because the good reflects our Creator, who is perfect and good and orderly. We worship, and we were made by a God of order, not a God of chaos. So I think it is absolutely spiritual at its very core. And we're never going to get around that. So often we try to talk around it and be like, well, it's about ideologies and philosophies and blah, blah, blah. That's all downstream from Your worldview, which is built on a foundation of where you see yourself in the cosmic order, where you believe in a great creator, whether you believe in inherent good and inherent evil. The Democrat Party is evil. Let's just come out and say it. It's evil. It's why it wants to kill babies. It's why it wants to eviscerate borders. It's why it wants to eliminate mandatory minimum sentence for rapists, for child exploiters, for people who attack cops, for people guilty of manslaughter and murder. And I will say on Spamberger again, Democrats understand power. You'll hear Republicans, when they get in power, cuz they're terrified of wielding it, say things like, well, politics is the art of the possible. And they'll lecture you very smugly on it. No, it's not. Politics is about rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies. And the Democrats do it brilliantly. So the foreigners, the Somalis, the scamsters, the fraudsters, that is the Democrat Party's base, that is who is being rewarded here. The Democrat Party cannot exist without shipping these people in, making them rich and getting them to use their fraud bucks to elect more Democrats. So that's what they're doing. And again, there is a lesson here for Republicans to learn. I'm sure they're gonna learn the wrong one. But the lesson here is when you get in power, you wield it ruthlessly and you support the people who put you there.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I mean, listen, probably I'm naive, Sean, but when you say that politics is about punishing your enemies and rewarding your friends, there's like this part of me that remembers watching the World War II movies and the John Wayne movies and like, I gotta think that we as Americans can, you know, band together. It's some sort of elevated pitch than that because, man, that's a really dark reality. I don't disagree with you functionally. You know, I think of this in terms of the American empire, right? Like, you know, listen, we're gonna, we're gonna exert our force abroad because we're the most powerful and we're gonna take care of our own, our own people. I totally get that. But when you come to the domestic front, but you hope that it's gonna be different. But it's hard to disagree with you, man. It's hard to disagree with you that when you are confronted by an ideological force that is so dark, that is killing babies, that wants chaos, that wants criminals on its streets, I mean, this is what they're doing. They're defending criminal illegals that are child rapists.
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Blake
They're very evil. I, I actually will. I actually do a little disagree with this. You hear this? It's all about rewarding friends, punishing enemies. It's this Carl Schmidt thing. We can talk about him sometime.
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Charlie Kirk
You've sparked a debate in here, definitely.
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Blake
Well, it definitely will. But I think it is important to message like, don't be. Don't be a wuss, don't be a coward. And like, actually think about what you're able to do. Because Republicans love to just be inert. They're kind of lazy. It's like, think about all the DEI departments that just sat around in red states forever. That's not. You don't need to frame that in terms of, oh, reward allies, punish enemies. You can just frame that in terms of, don't be an idiot. Don't do things that are obviously against your values and interests.
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Sean Davis
But they're not lazy. Ask Zelensky how lazy they are. They will shovel bucks at America into that little midget's mouth faster than you can blink. They're not lazy. They're cowards. And they have a very different idea of who they're supposed to be serving than we are. And I think that's the main problem.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And by the way, Sean, I completely agree with you. This is a spiritual war. I've got a clip from Charlie Teed up that we're playing on the other side of this break that underscores your point, and I completely agree. At some level, the insanity just becomes so brazen and so, you know, nonsensical that what it has to be. It's demonic. We'll be right back.
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Donald Trump
All right.
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Charlie Kirk
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Jack Posobec
This is why your faith is the most important thing.
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Sean Davis
Because for those of us that are.
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Charlie Kirk
Christians, you actually see what's going on.
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Jack Posobec
Which is that we do not wrestle.
- [63:05]
Sean Davis
Against flesh and blood, but against principalities.
- [63:08]
Charlie Kirk
And darkness and spirits.
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Jack Posobec
That there is a spiritual war here.
- [63:12]
Sean Davis
There is a God and we are not him.
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Charlie Kirk
That there is an entire dimension of angels and demons and spirits that are.
- [63:21]
Sean Davis
Constantly struggling around us, and that there is a supernatural dimension.
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Charlie Kirk
Charlie was super tuned into this. I think we are as well here, Sean. So I totally agree. I don't know how else you explain the insanity that we've lived under. And it almost feels like in the ear of Trump, it's like the demons are shrieking and so now they're just like total mask off. The veil is torn and they're out in the open amongst us. Because how else do you explain the radicalness and the brazenness of a D +6 state? Going full Marxist. Going full Marxist. But I digress, Sean, unless you want to chime in on that. But I do want to talk about a year in review.
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Sean Davis
For me, kind of it was made obvious as the whole trans thing reared its disgusting little head. If you can't agree on just the basis of reality of whether boys are boys or girls and girls, clearly there's something going on, but beyond the conscious rational level. And it can only be spiritual.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so that's the bad and the ugly. But there is good happening. One year in review of President Trump. We've got our team cut this, this piece that I think is really like, you know, pretty, pretty darn good. Sovereignty, safety, economics, reshoring, production, manufacturing. Let's just play part one of this. 347.
- [64:44]
Donald Trump
Our sovereignty will be reclaimed.
- [64:47]
Charlie Kirk
There have been 92 people charged in this fraud scheme in Minnesota. Maduro, Venezuela.
- [64:52]
Sean Davis
What they're doing, they're trying to kill our kids.
- [64:54]
Charlie Kirk
They're trying to bring drugs into our country. It's not going to happen.
- [64:56]
Blake
We're going to come after you.
- [64:57]
Charlie Kirk
Captured Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro sits in a federal jail in Brooklyn, escorted by Drug Enforcement Administrator Terry. Thanks to the relentless work of our.
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Blake
Prosecutors and our federal agents, El Mayo will spend the rest of his life behind bars.
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Donald Trump
Our safety will be restored.
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Blake
Murders in the US Are on pace.
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Jack Posobec
For the largest one year drop.
- [65:20]
Charlie Kirk
Metro Police say homicides and robberies are at multi year lows.
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Sean Davis
The numbers released by D.C. police show.
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Donald Trump
A safer year for the city in 2025.
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Charlie Kirk
And that's just part one. There's a part two that the administration put that out. I thought it was fair and it kind of highlighted and reminded me of some things that RFK Jr. Was on with Jesse Waters last night on Fox. He said that, you know, what was, he was asked what was your number one accomplishment? And it kind of surprised people. And he said what was actually most favored nation? Drug prices are dropping. Trump used tariffs to leverage as leverage to negotiate with European partners and drug companies. A lot of good stuff is happening, Sean, in a historic sense. Put this, put Trump's one year in office in context for us. How good has it been? What would you like to see more of?
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Sean Davis
Well, I think it's been spectacular. You know, Trump has been putting points on the board, across the board. He's completely sealed the border, he's fixed the border. He's dealing with immigration, he's doing mass deportations. He's made America safer. Number one, by not doing stupid nonsense everywhere. And number two, by actually going and dealing with threats discreetly as he finds them and then just leaving it at that. Good example, there would be the Iran nuclear threat, which he dispatched, and then going in and kidnapping the dictator of Venezuela like he's some sort of historical artifact in a Nick Cage heist movie. Then you have the Maha stuff. You have RFK Jr kind of resetting these insane vaccine schedules that we had for babies. He's fixed the food pyramid, which for decades was nonsense and was just telling people, yeah, yeah, you need to be just gorging yourselves on carbs because that's what your body needs. So we've seen changes on that where I think we've really been lacking. And this isn't a Trump problem at all. It goes back to what we were talking about earlier is total inaction and an unwillingness to do what needs to be done in the Republican Congress. And what we've learned is that having a great president is great. It's indispensable. You can't get things done without a great president, but you need more than just a president doing stuff. As the head of the executive branch, you have to have people making everything he's doing permanent law. You have to have them going and making it permanent.
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Charlie Kirk
So nuke the filibuster.
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Blake
But nuke the filibuster if you can pass stuff.
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Charlie Kirk
But to your point, it would actually make a zombie Congress actually do stuff again.
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Blake
It would. It would make Congress real. But that. Well, it might be that you make Congress real only so people can really very clearly see the members of their own party who are. It's, you know, it's like you put on the. They live glasses.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, right.
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Blake
See what the reality is.
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Charlie Kirk
But at least we have the veto with President Trump right now. I mean, so if they pass crazy stuff stuff, okay, we get the veto, and then hopefully by 2028, we regain some mojo. I don't know. I'm becoming way more convinced. The only way to make this fake democracy kind of thing that we've got going on right now, where it's basically ruled by executive order and Congress is completely paralyzed, is you got to nuke the filibuster. Let the cards out on the table. Let's see where things lie. I mean, I know there's risk in that, but there's no other option to get immigration fixed. There's no other option to get voter ID fixed, Sean.
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Sean Davis
Well, yeah, so I agree. I think in a vacuum, you know, it's easier to pass things with 50 plus 1 than it is with 60. But the problem is the composition of that 50 plus 1. And I think if we were to go in and nuke the filibuster today, I don't think they would pass anything. I really don't. I think the composition of Republicans in Washington is such a huge problem that what we actually would need if we wanted to get things passed was move the threshold down to about 35. I think then you could actually get Republicans to do stuff. And so I think it's really, really important, especially as we're heading into a primary season. Republican voters have to wake up. It's not enough to send a Republican to Washington. You have to send the right Republican yes to Washington. And if you don't, it doesn't matter what your vote threshold, Sean, they'll have find a reason to not do anything.
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Charlie Kirk
Sean, what, what we need to do is we need to have you back on with Tyler and we need to go through a list of the races and give people direction on it. Honestly, we need to go race by race. Let's do that soon, my friend. All right.
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Donald Trump
Love it.
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Charlie Kirk
Thank you for making the time. We'll be right back.
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Terrence Bates
Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. President Trump has hit the ground running in Davos, Switzerland, as we just moments ago showed you video of the president meeting with NATO's secretary general. The two, of course, discussed the economic impact of NATO, specifically the investment from European countries in that organization. President Trump also saying that he has no reason not to trust NATO's Secretary General when he says that NATO will be there should the United States need them. In the meantime, President Trump also making headlines for his hour and 20 minute speech this morning. While much of the world, of course, anticipating the commander in chief's remarks about his intention to take over Greenland, the president using the world stage to also send a warning to the Middle east, specifically to Hamas.
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Donald Trump
There are some little situations like Hamas and Hamas has agreed to give up their weapons. Now, you know, they were born with a weapon in their hand. So it's not easy to do. When they were born, they were born with a rifle in their hand. It's not an easy thing for them, but that's what they agreed to. They've got to do it. And we're going to know, Jared, over the next two or three days, certainly over the next three weeks, whether or not they're going to do it. If they don't do it, they're going to have, they'll be blown away.
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Terrence Bates
And when it comes to the issue of Greenland, 47 using the stage to make his case for why, excuse me, allowing the United States to buy the Arctic island is in the global interest.
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Donald Trump
It's the United States alone that can protect this giant mass of land, this giant piece of ice, develop it and improve it and make it so that it's good for Europe and safe for Europe and good for us. And that's the reason I'm seeking immediate negotiations to once again discuss the acquisition of Greenland by the United States. All we want from Denmark for national and international security and to keep our very energetic and dangerous potential enemies at bay is this land on which we're going to build the greatest golden dome ever built.
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Terrence Bates
Stay tuned to Real America's Voice for the very latest from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. President Trump will also be speaking tomorrow morning and we will have live coverage right here on rav.
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Donald Trump
Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk show.
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Charlie Kirk
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Vittorio
Well, thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. My thesis, I don't know. Personally speaking, I don't think I've enlightened people. I mean, I just tried to put together things that I thought were known. But first, I'm really glad that it was well perceived and well received. But my, my core thesis is that because of some reason there was this convergence of different technologies that allowed this to happen. And the. The reason for this happening is that men and women are just fundamentally different and we can't really do anything about this.
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Charlie Kirk
A shocking statement.
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Vittorio
We evolved under different. Apparently, yes. But biological men, biological women are fundamentally different. And we evolved after. Under different kind of selection pressure, under kind of evolutionary pressure that we're very different. And that's because we're biological different. I mean, we are a dimorphic species. We evolve as men and women and we have very different kind of characteristics. Like just, I mean, on a very simple level in terms of strength. And so women need more defense and men don't necessarily have this so women to be protected, they need something that keeps them safe. And once the safety lacks because they don't have, I would say, strong, a good man in their life, then they need to find protection and safety into the group. And this when technologies as like social media and smartphones are available, then the consensus comes from the group. Like the group gives you, the consensus gives you this protection. And so it's much more easy for them to be polarized because they need to be in agreement with the group to feel a sense of belonging.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And you say, you describe social media, the rise of social media as basically the triggering event. And when I thought this is something that I've thought for a long time. So to your earlier point, these are ideas that I've sort of known and I've been thinking around, but you concisely put it into this one article and it's basically like you got Facebook launched in 2004, it was college until 2006. The iPhone launches in 2007. But then in about 2012, 13 and 14 you have mass adoption of smartphones. And that's about when you start seeing this really radical divergence. And it's not just an American phenomenon. This is what you point out in graph 355. This is we, I believe we showed this graph when, when Charlie was, was around with us and he, he marveled at this as well. So South Korea, us, Germany, uk, you get this massive divergence between men and women. Now this graph sort of makes it look like men are getting more right, right wing. But actually the data shows that men are sort of staying stable, women are becoming more radicalized. But you describe the forcing function as that the Internet is a giant algorithmic consensus builder. What do you mean by that and why does that affect women more than men?
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Vittorio
Well, because I, so it's, it's common to blame social media and people would design social media, Facebook or whatever. But I don't think that social media wants this to happen or at least the owners of social media want this to happen is that the platform have to be optimized for engagement and time spent on the platform. So if you want to create revenue as a business, you need to optimize the time that people spend using your business. And in case of social media, they need to spend time on it. And men and women react differently to different news. And women are like, this is known that we have different personalities, are more empathetic, women are more agreeable, women have a higher neuroticism. So a news and an event that makes them feel more empathetic and present some kind of suffering resonates more with women than with men. And still going back to the fact that women are physically weaker than men, women are easier to complain than men. Like we grew up and like it's, it's always been known that if a man was complaining he had to grow a pair and just men up, women are allowed to complain and they, they do complain more on social media. So social media wants to keep the audience, keep their, their client and the users. And so like, I think it's just inevitable that if the technology is not aligned with the substrate of, of humans, which is biology, this, this happens.
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Blake
But that's I think the natural follow up. Vittorio so if this is driven by smartphones, which are not going away, and if it's driven by social media, which is not going away, is is there a solution to this or are we essentially, are we kind of screwed? Are we basically going to be dominated by whatever ideological contagion sweeps through with the algorithm and takes a majority of women along with it and they're half the voter base?
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Vittorio
I don't know if I should black bill or white pill. But I think that like we saw and there is another graph in, in the article that shows that married women don't respond in this way. And women with children tend to be more conservative and less radical. So one solution would be to bring back families and to have more kids because the, the biggest problem is that again, women are more empathetic. And so once you show them the suffering that is happening at 10000 miles away, they will feel as if it's happening to them or close to them. But once they're married and they have good men in their life, then they tend to follow. And if once they have kids, then they tend to focus more on the kids. And that's just again, it's natural, it's evolutionary for them. So by, I don't know, pushing more for marriage and bringing back the marriage institution, which is not just a legal document that you can sign and just know the next day and making like, I don't know, I'm Christian. And so for me, marriage is sacred and is an oath that you make in front of God, so you cannot go back to your word. And I also do think that that's the reason why it was set up in that way because you should not be allowed to go back from your promise. But by making it so no fault divorce and so easy to rescind, then people are like, if it's just a piece of paper. What's the point of doing that? And so I do believe that by bringing back and trying to reestablish the institution of marriage and pushing for more kids, which, again, this is the black pill, because the next problem is that people are not having kids. But I do think that in terms of the radicalization, there is a solution. Now, the solution has its own problem.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah. So, Vittorio, I love this part. So listen, our audience, we have a lot of Christian conservatives that may not even ascribe to evolution. Right. So I'm not even getting into that, but the way you word it, I just wanted to preface that you could just believe that God made men and women different and for different functions and forms. And this, this, your point, still, still works. You said men face different pressures. Hunting parties, gone for days, exploration, combat. You had to tolerate being alone, disliked outside the group for extended periods. Men who could handle temporary exclusion without falling apart had more options, more risk taking, more independence, more ability to leave bad situation. And you said, but women evolved in environments where social exclusion carried enormous survival costs. You can't hunt pregnant, you can't fight nursing, you can't. Survival required the tribe's acceptance. And so what you're doing is you're sort of showing that there's just form and function between male and female are different. And Blake, I love this, and I instantly thought of you when I was reading this because you were the one that kind of, I think, solidified this, even with Charlie, that women's part of women's social roles, are norm enforcers, consensus builders. This is sort of the way that they're hardwired. And then when you combine that natural form and function with an algorithm that pushes them and builds consensus further and further and deeper and deeper. This is where you start seeing the two sexes diverge and depart and this chasm is formed. And I just think it's. I think it's a really powerful explanation. And then you pair that with Helen Andrews and the radical feminization of the workplace and other things, you start seeing why these larger cultural trends are taking root. If you agree, Blake.
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Blake
But it's, it's very interesting because I just. It's kind of funny. It's like, how do we fix this? Well, we just have to fix marriage.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, no fault divorce.
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Blake
Yeah, just get rid of no fault divorce. It's. It's very tough and not the least because the people we kind of need to save with this, I think are the most likely to fight against that.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I agree. More With Vittorio. We'll keep diving into this piece. Elon Musk shared it. Bill Ackman, lots of other people find it interesting. Going to keep going through it. We'll be right back.
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Sean Davis
All right.
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Charlie Kirk
Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. What we're talking about, this divergence of the sexist is, is a paramount importance for the future of Western civilization. That's why this understanding its root causes, how to fix it, how to address it, is so critically important. And it's something that Charlie talked a lot about as well. This is Charlie at December 2024am Fest. Let's go ahead and play cut 352. Young men are the most conservative they.
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Sean Davis
Have been in over 50 years.
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Jack Posobec
50 years.
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Charlie Kirk
Think about that now. Now, a reporter asked me, they said, charlie, can you try to explain this phenomenon? I said, yeah, it's very simple. Young men want to be part of a political movement that doesn't hate them. In fact, let me go a step further that thinks they're essential to a future of a country that we need strong men and strong women, that we're sick and tired of hearing about toxic masculinity when we are drowning in toxic femininity.
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Blake
And he kept on that theme because we have another clip here and this is one of the last hits he ever did on fox. Let's play 353.
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Vittorio
What is going on with women and not wanting to prioritize family.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, this is a pattern that I've.
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Sean Davis
Seen time and time in these college campuses where young men are ordering their life correctly. They want to first and foremost have children, get married and then have a nice job or to be able to travel. If you look deeper into this data, it's completely consistent with other data we've seen the last couple of years.
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Charlie Kirk
Young women, they don't value having children.
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Sean Davis
And this is one of the reasons why we are seeing a fertility collapse in the West. If you play out the liberal worldview, the Kamala Harris worldview to its furthest.
- [86:57]
Charlie Kirk
Possible logical point, you have a country.
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Sean Davis
With literally no future.
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Charlie Kirk
When you play out the logical endpoint.
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Sean Davis
Of President Trump's agenda of where young.
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Charlie Kirk
Men voted for him, you have one of lots of children increasing communities, and.
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Sean Davis
You also have a need then for mass immigration.
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Blake
So, Vittorio, one thought I've had, maybe this could bail us out is we are seeing this fertility collapse. We are seeing far fewer people get married, far fewer people having children. Could this basically be a transitional phase where for all of human history, basically everyone had kids because that was what you did. Natural biological impulse. And now we're just going to go through this one generation where basically all the people uninterested in having kids poof out of the gene pool. And the people who don't value marriage poof out of the gene pool. And we'll just have a new society of the people who actually select for those things. And could we fix it that way? Are we going to see this huge, I guess, political and social divergence caused by who actually shows up for the future?
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Vittorio
I mean, this, you see it already happening. I mean, conservative families have more children than liberal families. I spoke time ago about this and I do think that there is a, there is a problem here because the institutions that then educate and raise your kids, schools and media and TVs, are captured instead by the other ideology. And that's why they care so much about it, because by not being able to have their own kids, they need to indoctrinate someone else's kids so they can perpetrate this, these views. So to work to your point, I do agree that they will self select out, but only if the kids that then are being had, they're protected. So that's, that's another problem.
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Blake
I'm looking at the numbers here to remind myself. So if you looked at the average number of kids for a woman over 44, so they finished their child rearing window in 1982, liberal women had more kids than conservative ones on average. And even as recently as 2018 for women over 44 completed fertility, they had about the same number of kids, liberal versus conservative for women. Below that threshold, it's widened to the point where it's almost a full child per woman gap between liberal and conservative.
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Charlie Kirk
Women in the U.S. that's a lot. That maybe doesn't sound like a lot, but that's a huge gap. But to your point that, you know, listen, we've said, we've said more striking things I think before in the past, but there is this tendency with people that do not, do not procreate to then recruit or groom. And that is a huge problem with our institutions. That's why schools choice is so fundamentally important. That's why classical school education is so important. Vittorio, you are, I would presume maybe you're a Christian Protestant, but you're Italian. Correct. And one of the countries that has experienced in the west the most dramatic fertility collapse is Italy. Are there lessons from Italy that you could share that shed light on this?
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Vittorio
Well, what Italy learned is like what you can learn from Italy is what not to do. Like it's I don't know. Again, it's a worldwide problem, the fertility crisis. And there are several probably reasons that can be both political, biological, cultural. But I think that at the very bottom is just an extremely individualistic culture. And everyone just think about themselves and for themselves they want to have money for their own, they want to be successful on their own, and no one cares anymore about what will happen to them. There is not anymore some kind of overarching principle and guiding reality that pushes them to have a lineage in the future. So I think it's still a collapse of meaning.
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Blake
I think ultimately it's a value fight. And that's tough because values are tough to change. I had a friend who was just in Israel and he was saying it was so jarring to see it's not just that there's kids everywhere compared to the US or anywhere else, but that it so aggressively comes up. When you talk to someone, they'll, they're rapidly going to brag, oh yeah, I have four kids already. I have five kids. It's such a point of pride. It's so, well, you know, baked into everything. That's what drives it.
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Charlie Kirk
You're right. Israel is this lone standout on the, in the, in the world right now because people, people think about sub Saharan Africa as this like massively fertile area. And historically they would be correct. But they are seeing dramatic drops in fertility in sub Saharan Africa. Even this one standout is very fascinating. That's Israel. And because Israel is a value based country, right. Where people are there often because of their, their religion, because of their, their ethnicity. And what's really fascinating about Israel is the group that's losing fertility rates right now are the Muslims within Israel. The people that are sustaining their fertility rates are the Jews. It's a very fascinating sense. Which just underscores that it's a value proposition.
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Blake
Exactly. I man it, it's, it's bleak, Vittorio, I have to say, because it does feel like it's. When it's a problem that's almost everywhere in the world and the ones that are defying it are so unique compared to the U.S. or Europe. It's, it's tough, but, but we're very thankful for you for laying it out in a clear cut way. I think there is rising awareness of the nature of the problem.
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Charlie Kirk
Elon Musk and others. Charlie.
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Blake
Yes. And I think we are going to have to make the push for a revolution in values in the west. And it's kind of the only way I think you can turn it around and this.
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Charlie Kirk
This push about individualism. We are not individualists. We are. We're more community based on. We're not collectivists. We're not individualists. We're about community. We're about shared meaning as a. As a, you know, community, as a. As a local community, as a church community. Vittorio, really fascinating stuff. Thank you so much for your contribution to this discussion. And, you know, good job. You cut the algorithm. All right, we'll see you guys tomorrow. We'll be back.
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Donald Trump
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