The Charlie Kirk Show, January 22, 2026

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – January 22, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Charlie Kirk
Notable Guests: Blake, Bo Davidson, Citizen Kane (Citizen Free Press), Ryan James Gradusky, Ben Weingarten
Recording Location: Phoenix, Arizona

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show delivers a jam-packed two-hour session dissecting breaking political news, culture wars, immigration and census controversies, voter integrity, ongoing legal battles, and the new global peace initiative out of Davos spearheaded by President Trump. The show spotlights the intersection of conservative base sentiment and policy implications, featuring in-depth analysis and a rotating panel of newsmakers and commentators.

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Main Segments & Key Themes

1. Greenland, Military Strategy, and the “Golden Dome” [00:30 – 01:09]

• Topic: The potential U.S. acquisition of military access to Greenland and the construction of the so-called “Golden Dome.”
• Charlie Kirk: Asserts military gain with no monetary expenditure, arguing that “the Golden Dome…will be Israel times 100…all made in the United States.”
• Commentary: Panel jokes about the fluctuating valuation of Greenland ($3.3 billion GDP vs. “50 billion to almost a trillion”).
• Significance: Illustrates a Trump-era foreign policy strategy blending national security, international negotiation, and American manufacturing.

2. Political Turmoil, Protest Arrests & Accountability [04:44 – 13:53]

• Major Event: Arrests following church protests in Minneapolis garner intense media scrutiny, particularly as Don Lemon (Don Lamond) is associated with the demonstrators.
• Charlie Kirk [09:14]:

  “When you have something this high profile, this viral, in Minneapolis, involving Christians and a church…it's important there is an accountability measure. There is a full circle moment.”

• Blake [10:15]: Advocates going after ringleaders first, not media figures, to prevent creating "martyrs."
• Key Quote – Charlie Kirk [13:25]:

  “Don Lemon, you're an idiot...you're a washed up has-been who's fighting for relevancy. We know exactly what your game is.”

• Panel Reflection: Debates proportionality of legal action—should protests and left-leaning celebrities be prosecuted or not? Strong argument against martyr-creation.

Timestamps:

• [06:21] – Weather jokes and impact on protests
• [09:45] – Details on Minneapolis church protest arrests
• [13:25] – Strong opinion on Don Lemon's involvement

3. Fact-Checking Liberal Narratives: The “ICE Arrested a 5-Year-Old” Story [15:34 – 23:57]

• Issue: Refuting viral progressive claims that ICE used a child as “bait” during an arrest.
• Blake [20:31]:

  “They want to get you in a state of mind where if you have a child under 10, you’re immune from law enforcement because this child is sad.”

• Charlie Kirk [19:00]:

  “If you break the law, you are putting your children in danger and you should stop breaking the law.”

• Insight: Hosts push back against left-wing emotional framing, clarify legal/police regular process, and blame parental choices, not ICE.
• Biblical Reference [22:54]: Cites Exodus 12:49 – “the sojourner is to abide by the law of the land.”

Timestamps:

• [15:34] – Viral story introduction
• [17:09] – Panel breakdown & legal analysis
• [20:31] – Blaming parents vs. law enforcement

4. World News: Board of Peace Formation at Davos [23:57 – 25:16 & 71:06 – 73:43]

• Bo Davidson & Marco Rubio: Discuss Trump’s leadership at the World Economic Forum, chairing a new “Board of Peace” for the Middle East.
• Highlights: U.S. allies France, Germany, UK absent from signing; Trump threatens tariffs to encourage French participation.
• Macro Tensions: U.S. acting as peace broker; geopolitical power shifts; skepticism and pressure on European allies.
• Key Quote – Marco Rubio [24:43]:

  “I want to thank every single one of the leaders...all the countries that have committed to joining and many others who are going to join…it is going to be a successful effort.”

Timestamps:

• [23:57 – 25:16] & [71:06 – 73:43] – World Economic Forum and Board of Peace coverage

5. Redistricting & Congressional Power Struggles [28:30 – 34:38]

• Panel Discussion: Impact of census methods, illegal immigration, and state-level gerrymandering on congressional seat allocation.
• Citizen Kane [29:48]:

  “Wes Moore…is trying to get rid of the only Republican seat in Maryland…if you’re getting 40% Republican votes, it would be nice to at least have one Republican seat.”

• Implication: GOP consistently outmaneuvered by Democrat state governments on redistricting; risk of losing further House influence.

Timestamps:

• [28:30] – Indiana's championship & redistricting handshake deal
• [33:06] – SAVE Act, filibuster, 2020 census “botched”

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6. SAVE Act and Voter Integrity: Federal vs. State Control [34:38 – 46:32]

• Issue: Challenge of passing federal voting integrity reforms (voter ID, proof of citizenship), blocked by filibuster.
• Citizen Kane [33:06]:

  “I don’t know how you get the SAVE act passed…with over 60 votes.”

• Summary: 10–15 GOP senators refuse to dismantle filibuster, impeding election reform; internal GOP inertia highlighted.

Timestamps:

• [34:38] – SAVE Act debate, GOP Senate resistance
• [46:32] – Public polling on photo ID for voting

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7. 8A/DEI Contracts & Waste in Federal Spending [53:38 – 70:48]

• Ben Weingarten Interview: Deep dive into federal contracting programs (“8A”) for “disadvantaged” businesses—now applied broadly under “DEI.”
• Big Picture: Billions annually in no-bid contracts funneled to “minority” front firms, with rampant fraud, legal challenges, and Biden admin's push to expand quotas.
• Quote (Ben Weingarten) [56:23]:

  “You have a front company that looks like a minority company and they don’t really do any of the work, but they collect the fees and...shift a percentage to a major company.”

• Takeaway: DOD moves to root out fraud; legal and practical implications for federal budgets and anti-discrimination law.

Timestamps:

• [53:38] – What is 8A/DEI?
• [56:23] – Scams & challenges with minority contracting
• [68:05] – How much taxpayer money is at stake

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8. Census, Immigration, and Congressional Apportionment [77:39 – 83:25]

• Ryan James Gradusky: American migration patterns—a mass exodus from Democratic-run states covered by inflows of new immigrants, legal and illegal.
• Key Insight: Without immigration, California and NY would lose 10+ Congressional seats in the next census.
• Quote [78:44]:

  “California essentially has the same number of people today as it did in 2020. American citizens are leaving that state.”

• Policy Debate: Could massive deportations and a crackdown on illegal immigration shift the balance back to red states?

Timestamps:

• [77:39] – American migration patterns, impact on House seats
• [83:25] – Policy reform: ramping up mass deportations, voter aspirations

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9. Base Sentiment Analysis: Pulse of the Base [36:49 – 39:09]

• Citizen Kane: Social media does not mirror real conservative base; support for Trump on the rise, little real internal GOP “civil war.”
• Quote [37:35]:

  “Let’s never confuse the pulse of X…for the pulse of the base.”

• Takeaway: Ordinary GOP voters are stable and support Greenland strategy, but want better communication.

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10. Economic Issues and Youth Disaffection [89:28 – 92:38]

• Panel: Dismal polling for Trump on cost of living; young workers disillusioned amid weak job market, service sector saturation, and fear of AI replacing jobs.
• Ryan James Gradusky [91:03]:

  “H1B is actually a small fraction…but it’s symbolic for them because they feel like…AI is going to take a lot of analyst jobs.”

• Potential Reforms: Calls for tighter legal immigration, focus on American competitiveness in AI, and youth economic opportunity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk on Protests [13:25]:

  "Don Lemon, you're an idiot...You're a washed up has-been who's fighting for relevancy.”

• Blake on ICE/Parenting [20:31]:

  “They want to get you in a state of mind where if you have a child under 10, you’re immune from law enforcement because this child is sad.”

• Marco Rubio on Board of Peace [24:43]:

  “Thank every single one of the leaders…for joining. It is going to be a successful effort.”

• Ben Weingarten on 8A/DEI Scam [56:23]:

  “You have a front company that looks like a minority company and they don’t really do any of the work, but they collect the fees…"

• Citizen Kane on GOP Base [37:35]:

  “Let’s never confuse the pulse of X…for the pulse of the base.”

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Structural Highlights with Timestamps

• [00:30 – 01:09] Greenland, military bases, and “Golden Dome”
• [04:44 – 13:53] Minneapolis church arrests, Don Lemon discussion
• [15:34 – 23:57] ICE, immigration, fact-checking “arrested 5-year-old” myth
• [23:57 – 25:16] & [71:06 – 73:43] Davos, Board of Peace announcement
• [28:30 – 34:38] Census, redistricting, GOP/Democratic state competition
• [34:38 – 46:32] Voter ID, SAVE Act, filibuster standoff
• [53:38 – 70:48] Ben Weingarten explains corruption in DEI/8A contracts
• [77:39 – 83:25] Migration, immigration, congressional apportionment
• [36:49 – 39:09] Pulse of the Base
• [89:28 – 92:38] Economic malaise among youth and the AI debate

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Closing Thoughts

This episode blends real-time news with recurring conservative concerns: media bias, illegal immigration, voting security, economic dislocation, and bureaucratic excess. It features hard-hitting analysis, inside-baseball political strategy, frank base sentiment, and an emphasis on accountability—whether for protesters, media figures, or federal contractors. Throughout, the tone is urgent, combative, and occasionally sardonic, mirroring the talk radio style of the Charlie Kirk brand.

Listeners seeking a pulse of right-of-center American political analysis—with both news and grassroots flavor—get a clear, unfiltered perspective from this episode.

Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Bo Davidson]

So, because the GDP of Greenland is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like $3.3 billion, but people are valuing.

[Bo Davidson]

Greenland at between 50 billion and almost a trillion.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what are you willing to pay for Greenland? Well, I'm not going to have to pay anything. We're going to have total access to Greenland. We're going to have all military access that we want. We're going to be able to put what we need on Greenland because we want it. We're talking about national security and international security. So we're going to not have to pay anything other than the fact that we are building the. The Golden Dome. And the Golden Dome is going to be something that's going to be very amazing. It'll be Israel Times probably 100. And we need it. I think we need it. And it's all going to be made in the United States.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

This president is a danger to this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Country and this democracy.

[Citizen Kane]

So what I'm doing is I'm looking at all options.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

All of our options must be on.

[Citizen Kane]

The table, from impeachment, the 25th Amendment.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

To winning elections, which is actually my.

[Charlie Kirk]

Primary goal right now as the recruitment.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Chair for House Democrats, is to win.

[Citizen Kane]

Elections and to take power away from Donald Trump.

[Charlie Kirk]

I respect what Carney did because he had courage of convictions. He stood up. And I think we need to stand up in America and call this out with clarity. We can lose our republic as we know it, our country come out unrecognizable in a matter of months, just not years. It is code red, blinking red in the United States of America. So forgive me, I feel this with passion, some indignancy that someone, frankly, has taken it for granted all of these years. And it's why I came here to Davos, to call it out. Well, first off, I don't think we.

[Citizen Kane]

Were ever going to use force. It was never. He only said I wouldn't take things off the table, but he likes to say I don't take things off the table. But you know, Anderson, in the last 10 weeks, the State Department has approved six, seven different arms sales to Denmark. Now, only one other country has had more arms sales approved, and that's Taiwan. And we've approved them for about 20 different countries. Nobody's done more than two, except Denmark and Taiwan. So we were not about to fight a country we've been selling hellfire missiles to for the last two months.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I think a Lot of this rhetorical talk here. You know, the European Union probably got.

[Citizen Kane]

A little bit further out for domestic political reasons.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think the President also maybe ended.

[Citizen Kane]

Up further out because of domestic political reasons.

[Charlie Kirk]

He knows that the Republicans base loves to hear his muscular talk.

So for us, when we got married, we wanted to be very intentional about how the Lord would use our marriage. And so we wrote down goals for our marriage and one of our goals was to always spread the gospel. And attached to that at the top, it was spread the gospel, make heaven create crowded. And that was our thing. And so anytime Charlie witnessed to someone, anytime we had an event where we talked about Jesus or just in passing with someone, it would always be our little affirmation to one another and like a little wink of like making heaven crowded. That's what this, that's. We wanted the Lord to use our marriage for that. And so that's why this tour is so special to me, because I wanted to take that piece of slice of heaven from that memorial for my husband and bring it to everyone around this country so that they could have that extension and that beauty and that palpable feeling of the Holy Spirit. I operate very clearly. Whatever decision is in front of me, it will go through a very strict lens. Is this going to bring me closer to heaven or is it going to bring me further away from heaven? If it is going to bring me further away from heaven, step aside, Satan. I do not want to touch you with a ten foot pole. I do not want to be around anything that is going to take me further away from my home in heaven. I don't. That's where my heart is. And so as long as I remain obedient to God and abide in his word and I'm in the jet stream of his will, the opinions of this world mean nothing to me. Nothing.

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[Blake]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

Can you fizzle? Can you fizzle at 45 degrees below zero?

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know what you can do. All I know is that you can get. You can actually get frostbite. If your skin is exposed to negative 45 degree weather for 10 minutes, you can get frostbite. So I hope that the kamikaze Karens and the beta males try and go out and protest ice this. This weekend. I just want to see him try. But that is an interesting little. I keep telling you, the weather. The weather is our friend in Minneapolis this time of year.

[Blake]

So it is. So it is.

[Charlie Kirk]

So it is 45, by the way. It's like gonna. Everybody's talking about, I went down this deep rabbit hole last night looking at these weather models, and it's predicted. I mean, the whole country. You should get studio get some weather models of like, this plunging cold that's going down. I mean, they're gonna get snow all over Texas. It's basically like Arizona, Southern California and Florida are going to be a little bit immune, but even here it's going to be a little colder. But we're going to. This is. This is a good time to be in Arizona. So maybe you guys should consider a plane ticket, get yourself over here before. Before it's too late, honestly. So a bunch of our team is going to be traveling and they're all kind of trying to navigate through the weather. Lots of stuff going on right now. We got to hit some stories, and we're going to have Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press. He's going to be joining us. We're doing Pulse of the Base with Citizen Kane at 1230 Eastern. Then we're gonna have Ben Weingarten. We're gonna be talking about 8A. It was something that Blake brought up with Kelly Loeffler from SBA last week and it's making news again. Chris Rufo's been investigating a lot of it. They're making progress on it. Ben Weingarten has a whole, whole take on it. Then we're going to have Ryan James Graduski. We're talking about immigration patterns in cities side of the lower 48, census data and so much more. So got a jam packed show. But this morning we were hit by two main news stories. Well, actually I could say three. There is arrests happening in Minneapolis. They obviously, they stormed a church on Sunday. Don Lamond, Don Lemon was there as a part of this. A lot of uproar. I was pretty upset about it. We were pretty worked up about it. Pretty disgusting stuff, honestly. And now there are arrests happening. We have Nakima Levy Armstrong, who is now been arrested. She was the instigator of this protest, if you want to call it a protest. Pretty disgusting face. Act violations incoming. They're also charging her, which is an ironic. If you look at that image, Blake, they're charging her on the KKK act potentially. And so that. I'll just let the irony speak for itself here in that image. And then there was a second arrest that's been announced already, St. Paul School Board member Chantille Allen, and she's in federal custody. I'm told more arrests are incoming. We heard, by the way, that Pam Bondi was going to be in Minneapolis. Then there was a day of silence. We didn't hear anything. Then boom, this morning we get to arrest. I think this is important because accountability matters. There are arrests happening all over with protesters that are not nationally known figures. The stories didn't go nationally viral. There's dozens and dozens of arrests happening every day. I want to be clear about that. But when you have something this high profile, this viral, you know, occur in Minneapolis, it involves Christians, it involves a church. You see crying kids. Total bad optics for the Fort, the Dems, for the Libs. It's important that there is an accountability measure. There is a full circle moment that.

[Blake]

And I'll be frank, I'm glad. I was a little worried that the first person they would try to arrest would be Don Lemon, Don Lamont, because it's the most high profile one. It got the most attention on.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's the question on tv, do you think he should be arrested?

[Blake]

Honestly, I would. I think his behavior was very bad. But. And he does definitely support the protests, but he's also. He's not the one.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

He.

[Blake]

He's not screaming in there. He is just sort of following in the background. And I think you'd have to want to be clear. Did someone tell him to leave? Did someone make it clear he also wasn't welcome there? I'd have to know more facts about it specifically. But you want to be careful that you aren't just grabbing the most famous thing, the most emotional thing. I'm glad. Glad that they bothered to arrest the actual ringleaders first.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, you're right. It's legally more sound.

[Blake]

Go for the more legally sound stuff, because it's so easy to seize on what is emotionally cathartic. But what you want is the end result. That's really strong. And we want to have a case that you can get a conviction on, or at least a very credible case that can show that there's a cost to doing this, and you want that degree of cost.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I actually. I actually agree with this, and some of you in the audience, I'd love to hear your thoughts, because I have a feeling you're going to disagree with me on this, and I'm sort of. I'm sympathetic to what Blake is saying, because what you don't want to do is you don't want to create martyrs. So. Email us freedomarliekirk.com it kind of reminds me of the Senator Kelly thing. You got to understand. So Senator Kelly did an obscene thing. He told troops to basically disobey orders. Now, he called them unlawful orders, but who the heck is to define what an unlawful order is? He knew darn well that he was saying disobey direct orders. He's getting an administrative punishment. So he's going to get probably demoted. His pay is going to be docked. It's dishonorable if you are in the military. You know that. That's a dishonorable thing to. That's a very insulting, embarrassing thing to happen. But when you're a sitting senator, you got to also consider that Senator Kelly is probably. He says he has not ruled out running for president, which means he's strongly considering it. And so if you come after him with the full weight and force of the federal government, guess what's going to happen? He's become a folk hero. He's going to become a martyr. He's going to use that in every single ad running for president. And he's an awful senator. He's a terrible guy. There's an oppo file a mile long about this guy in the state of Arizona. So. Okay, now here's what I will say. Don Don Lemon probably deserves to get prosecuted. He was seen Kissing this woman that was just arrested before they protested the church. And then he said, then no, but he's claiming he was an independent investigator, which are a journalist. That's garbage. He's kissing her. Then he says on video, we have this. Thank you for your service. And it is no mystery that he was very in favor of what was going on with this moment at the church. He said, you got to make. You got to traumatize people sometimes. You got to make them uncomfortable. That's what protesting is. And then he goes in with AJ Attorney General Keith Ellison, and he says, you know, that's the essence of the First Amendment. No, Don Lemon, you're an idiot. You're not a smart person. You're a washed up has been who's fighting for relevancy. We know exactly what your game is. You got ran out of cnn. You backstabbed, stabbed your friend Chris Cuomo, by the way, which is a real peach of a move. And then you're out there acting like an idiot, and you probably do deserve to get punished legally. You chased a guy around the property trying to press him with fake questions. You knew it was an operation. And you know, the point is though, listen, I'm in favor maybe give him a slap on the wrist.

[Blake]

But if he does, the craziest part is Don Lemon kissing a woman.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean, listen, that's how, you know, he was really passionate about it. You know, and everybody wants me to bring up the fact he's married to a white guy. I got it. Okay, whatever. Who cares? Who cares?

[Blake]

Well, I mean, he's not married because you can't get.

[Charlie Kirk]

You can't.

[Blake]

Well, but secular, not real. It's not real. But anyway.

[Charlie Kirk]

But we digress. We digress, but the point is, I actually think. Don't make Don Lemon a martyr. He's not worth it. He's not worth our time. Okay. If he does it again, if he keeps doing this stuff, sure, fuck, fine, throw the book at him. But right now, let's move on. We got bigger fish to fry here, folks. Then the other story that's happening right now is we've got Jack Smith testifying before Congress. Jim Jordan, by the way, I know there's some people that feel this way or that about Congressman Jim Jordan. I think he's great. You know, there's. Yeah, fine. Send us your emails. Freedom at charlie kirk.com. he gave a. An amazing five minute cross examination of Jack Smith on the failed Cassidy Hutchinson, the disgraced, the discredited testimony that she gave that President Trump Was lunging across, you know, in the Beast, in the back of the Beast where it was a cartoon image.

[Blake]

It really is like, it's something that a person on Blue sky like wants to believe happened. They want a cartoon. Anyone who has watched President Trump do anything that was. He would never.

[Charlie Kirk]

He doesn't lunge.

[Blake]

Has that man ever lunged in his life?

[Charlie Kirk]

He's very deliberate in his movements and this is what was great. Despite this being discredited, the unselect J6 committee mentioned Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony over 120 times because they're a bunch of frauds. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk. So now we got to get, we got to do. This is like housekeeping. It's like family business. We just got to get through this morass of like crazy lib slop that they're just making stuff up. And I'm getting sick of it, to be honest, because the lies are so blatant and brazen that you just have to sort of work through them. And yes. Welcome Back to the Bitcoin.com studio. Our friends over Bitcoin.com your. Your place to buy, sell, trade bitcoin. You can do all your research right there. Bitcoin.com Glad to have them back on and excited about that. And so, but here's what we gotta do. We gotta get to this five year old, you know, the Democrats, literally the Democrats, their handle on X is tweeting out in Minnesota, Minneapolis ICE arrested a five year old coming home from preschool and tried to use him as human bait. His teacher describes him as a bright young student. These monsters are sick. Okay, we'll throw up the image. And this is, this is, this is literally their tweet. I don't know. Do you guys have the image? It's too good. We have to. I mean, this is, you know, you gotta sort of give them credit for just being shameless liars. So this is the, this is the image. And they've got. Yeah, ICE detains five year old boy, three other students in Columbia Heights. It's not true. It's not what happened.

[Blake]

So we should lay out like what.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm gonna read the statement. We're gonna read the statement. So I literally called DHS this morning because turns out everybody's freaking out about this. This is all liberal Twitter is talking about. This is all what Blue sky is talking about. This is a huge story, right, Blake? This is like, this is, this is their thing. This is their cause du jour. Alright, well please lay it out.

[Blake]

Well, so. So they're, they're flipping out, like this is all. So partly we should mention this is all happening because ice, everything they do, they're relentlessly being stalked and followed and scrutinized. And so they're immediately spinning up these claims. And so their claim is that the child they arrested, they made an arrest when a person drove into their driveway. And you can see the little joints where they're being a little bit dishonest. So, for example, so they detain. Apparently what happened is they tried to arrest the father of this five year old who then fled the scene. And then they'll describe in, even in the left's own telling, another adult begged to take custody of the child, but ICE refused. Okay, another adult. Is it the child's parent? What do we know if it's the child's parent? Like all these things that are obvious questions you're supposed to ask if you're a law enforcement agent. But they're mad that ICE is not omniscient and omnipotent in their powers. And so they have to follow police procedures. Oh, there was a child in the vehicle. And so we naturally immediately have ICE put out the statement, which is the child was abandoned. We tried to make an arrest and. And then the dad fled. So they left one agent with the child to make sure that this child was not alone. And then they turned this into the.

[Charlie Kirk]

This child was bait.

[Blake]

Well, it wasn't a bait for the arrest because the arrest they were making was a person in the car who then fled. And those are the only two people who've been detained. So I guess it wasn't bait.

[Charlie Kirk]

I have a legal question for you, Blake. I know you're not a lawyer, but you play one on tv. The question, if a dad, say it's a single dad, he has a DUI and the cops pull him over, does that father get separated from the child?

[Blake]

You know, it actually does happen, doesn't it? Or doesn't even need to be a dui. If they want you for a murder, if they want you for a robbery.

[Charlie Kirk]

If they want you for tax evasion, larceny, whatever. This is a sad truth. If you break the law, you are putting your children in danger and you should stop breaking the law. It's pretty obvious in today's day and age that that if you are here in the country illegally, you're breaking the law and there will be consequences for it. Did you know that you could receive a free flight? No. A free flight and $2,600 with the CBP1 Home app. If you just use the CBP Home app, he wouldn't have been arrested. His poor five year old kid, he wouldn't have abandoned him. By the way, that's the biggie on the eye chart here. This peach of a father is the best father I've seen since, you know, Maryland Dad. This is not the type of. If you have an illegal alien that is going is willing to abandon his son when federal law enforcement approaches him, first of all, he's a terrible dad. Let's just get the biggie on the eye chart out of the way. Terrible dad. You don't abandon your kid. Second of all, you're not going to want that quality of human being in this country as a second thought if that's what he's teaching his kid, that you just abandon people, you run away from your family. And third of all, if you're in the country illegally, I'm sorry, you're putting your whole family in jeopardy. So yes, to your point, this dhs, I don't know if it's ICE or. Yeah, I think it was an ICE officer remained with the child because that's what police officers do. They don't abandon children. We have federal law enforcement.

[Blake]

Like it's just, it's such an important thing that you, you can't concede the ground to them like the left wants you to. They want to get you into the psychological state of mind. We'll read this tweet from Charlie in a sec. They want to get you in a state of mind where if like you have a child under the age of 10, you're immune from law enforcement because this child is sad and you feel sad when you see children and so you shouldn't do things that you obviously should do. Yeah, Charlie had a great tweet on this. This is all the way back in 2018. Instead of blaming the law enforcement agencies, ICE or Border Patrol, why not blame the parents for actually breaking the law? Thinking face. And he's exactly right. One of the reasons you shouldn't do bad things, one of the reasons you shouldn't commit crimes, one of the reasons you shouldn't be a drug addict, one of the reasons you shouldn't be a loser. If you're a parent or even if you're not, it will hurt the people around you who are dependent on you. That is a reason you shouldn't do bad things. And this dad chose to break the law. He chose to remain here when it, it was very clear enforcement was happening. When there was a way he could have gotten free money to return to his home country. For that matter, he would have never been separated from his kid if he had not fled from ice. He did all of those things and as a result wasn't great for his kid. The same way it wouldn't be great for his kid if he did any other crime. And we can't concede this completely fake framing to them that if there's kids, oh, they're magically immune from the law. One of the best lines, NPR News, a local Minnesota news thing. They, they covered this and of course, they don't really get much more than a side statement from ice. It's entirely the framing, of course. Oh, the, the schools are horrified. And then they talk to their lawyer, this Mark Prokosh, a lawyer representing the Ramos family. He said he's not sure of the exact whereabouts, but they're probably in Texas. And they, they have him go on. He says it's cruelty, it's evil, it's, it's all so bad. And then at the end of the interview with him, they say. Asked if the 5 year old's detainment was legal, Prokosh said, probably not. That's what's going to make my job really difficult. But just because something is legal doesn't mean it's moral. Oh, so they didn't break the law at all. It's entirely legal to detain children when you're arresting their parents for illegally being in the country. And in fact, if you're going to deport them, as ISIS pointed out, they're going to get two options. If that child is a citizen, they can be placed with someone that they trust, that trusted adult, or you can choose to have them deported with you. If you would prefer to remain with them, they get a choice.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you have to understand the subtext here is they are going to claim that what they're really communicating here, and I want you to see the sleight of hand, is that they're basically saying that this guy was illegal, but he's not a criminal. No, you're guilty of being a criminal if you, it's called breaking and entering. You broken, entered into our country and you're not welcome. Okay? So we have to keep the main thing, the main thing there is a baseline. You're a criminal if you enter this country illegally. Okay? But Even in Exodus 12:49, this is all biblical, folks. It says the sojourner. So a foreigner is to abide the law of the land. The same law applies to both the native born and the foreigner residing among you. There's biblical precedents for this. They are required to abide by the law of the land. And so we just need to get back to basics. I'm sorry this 5 year old got banded by his, his father. Blame the father for that, not ice. We'll be right back.

[Bo Davidson]

I'm Bo Davidson with your real America's Voice. News headlines. President Trump is wrapping up his trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. While you were sleeping, he participated in the charter announcement and signing for the Board of Peace, which is meant to oversee the ceasefire and long term peace aspirations for Gaza. While President Trump is the chairman of the board, the initial board members include the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Qatar, Turkey, Morocco, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Bahrain, Hungary, Kosovo and Azerbaijan. Conspicuously absent from today's signing were US Allies like France, Germany and the United Kingdom. Here's Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

[Marco Rubio]

Without losing focus on what's before us now, this is what's possible for other places and other conflicts that seem impossible to solve right now. So I want to, on behalf of the United States, on behalf of the team that worked so hard on this, thank every single one of the leaders that are here today and all the countries that have committed to joining and many others who are going to join. You know, others either are not in town today or they have to go through some procedure internally in their own country. In their own country because of constitutional limitations. But others will join. Many want to be a part of this effort because it is going to be a successful effort.

[Bo Davidson]

Now, French President Emmanuel Macron has been one of the most vocal opponents of the Board of Peace. So far, he's been a holdout. But President Trump is threatening to slap France with a 200% tariff on wine and champagne if Macron doesn't fall in line. We will certainly keep you updated on that. Meanwhile, former President Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary are one major step closer to being held in contempt of Congress. Wednesday, the House Oversight voted to advance contempt resolutions against both of them for ignoring a subpoena to be deposed as part of the committee's Jeffrey Epstein investigation. The panel voted 34 to 8 to hold Bill in contempt and 28 to 15 to hold Hillary accountable for not showing up. Several Democrats joined Republicans to move the resolutions forward. A vote on the full House floor is reportedly expected to happen as soon as the first week in February. Meantime, attorneys for the Clintons made a last minute attempt over the weekend to avoid the contempt hearing. Those are your Headlines. And we now return to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

His name is Kane. All right, welcome back. Good job, studio. I didn't even call for that. Nice. Kane. Citizen Free Press. Welcome back to the show, my friend. It. This will be your second time. We've had you in recent. Recent times. But I didn't even tell the studio to play your song.

[Citizen Kane]

Yeah, I always get a little bit more fired up when I. When I hear that coming in. It's funny. The origin of that. They started playing that, as you know, during a Coors commercial for the NFL. And you noticed it. Charlie noticed it, and I noticed it all. Just like I was like, that sounds like Kane.

[Charlie Kirk]

It does, but it's king, right? It's definitely Kane, though.

[Blake]

It's close enough for radio.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. It's close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades. Right. And. And government work. I think that's the other thing they say. So, Cain, welcome back, my friend. You know, we like to talk to you because, you know, if you're not checking out citizenfreepress.com, you're missing out. Throw up the graphic there, guys. I mean, this is the current stack. We sent it in. This is what Kane lives and breathes 24 7. The guy doesn't sleep. And even if he. If he's not working on the. On the stack, he is golfing, which I totally give you all the. Charlie didn't like golf.

[Blake]

I don't like golf either.

[Charlie Kirk]

Doesn't like golf. I disagree. I think you need to go touch grass. And one of the great ways to touch grass, be surrounded by it, kind.

[Blake]

Of the only way to touch grass here is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is go play some golf. But, Kane, I would be remiss if I did not say congratulations to the Indiana Hoosiers for pulling off one of the truly all time great college football stories. It's miraculous. It's insane. It's unprecedented. I give you the floor. Bask in the glory of being national champions, you know.

[Citizen Kane]

You know, Blake, rumor has there was more drinking in Bloomington this week than during winter carnival in Hanover, New Hampshire.

[Blake]

I don't believe that. I refuse to believe that there are a bunch of alkies up in Hanover. But, yeah, I was a little annoyed, Kane, I have to admit, because I was. I didn't have a strong pull between the two teams, but I was slightly hoping that Miami would get a last second touchdown just so I could have said if Indiana had redistricted, they would have stopped that touchdown. But they went and won anyway. So I'll give it to him.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's true. Indiana is sort of on my, on my list right now because and frankly, they're on turning point actions. We're going to be primaring all these fools because they apparently rumor has it, I'm not sure if it's been completely confirmed, but that they made a handshake deal with Maryland to not redistrict. Maryland, of course, did an about face. Now they're redistricting. Virginia's gone complete Marxist. They're redistricting. So it looks like once again, Kane, Republicans are the only ones trying to play by gentlemen's rules and we're getting steamrolled. And you know, there was this whole redistricting debate going on. Everybody's, oh, Trump is trying to redistrict midterm.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

We're.

[Charlie Kirk]

It turns out the Democrats are the only ones with enough political will and ruthlessness to actually move forward with it. What's your take?

[Citizen Kane]

Yeah, well, yeah, I was gonna. Before you said it, I was gonna mention the Maryland thing because I just put it in the stack like 30 minutes ago. Wes Moore, the governor is trying to get rid of the only Republican seat that in the, in the Maryland congressional delegation. I'm trying to. I think Maryland usually is about 60, 40 in governors races. So I mean, if you're getting 40% Republican votes, it would be nice to have at least one Republican seat.

[Ben Weingarten]

Yes.

[Citizen Kane]

You know, that's brutal. Going back to the game, that final drive, Blake, you know that if Miami had scored, I completely thought they were. I actually thought Signetti made a mistake in kicking that field goal because if you get a. Miami was out of timeouts, you get a first down, that game's over. There was a minute have to go. And so I thought, you know, I always think negatively and it has not hurt the Hoosiers at any point in the, in the college football playoffs. But I thought for sure we were going to give up a touchdown. So. So yeah, that would be brutal as hell that if. That, you know, if, if we lost because, because our state representatives didn't have the. Whatever. They got their feelings hurt. There were all kinds of reasons that the Indiana reps did not vote to redistrict. You know, one last thing I'll throw on the redistricting. I put a story up maybe a month ago that talked about how the five seats in Texas may not even end up being five seats, that it might be four seats because we're getting slightly lower numbers with Hispanics. So. Yeah. So Democrats, there's a track, I guess. One last thing. There's a Tracker that I keep, I bring to the top near the stack that sort of shows what's going on in every single state. And they still say that we may gain three if everything plays out correctly. But you guys are probably on top of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah. No, you're right, Kane. It's just much closer than it should be. And meanwhile, we're going to talk about this in our two with Ryan James Graduski. But, you know, if we had a real census in this country that didn't count foreign illegals, which Trump tried to get done, he lost that battle. I think we win that battle if we pick it today, we should be redoing the 2020 census. It was a botched census. It was done properly and correctly. Covid completely ruined it. They used all these, like, privacy, you know, protocols to shield illegals and so they would be counted. And it screwed up the whole algorithm. Okay, so if we redid the census, you would see 10 to 15 seats move to the Sun Belt, move to where people are moving. Okay, so there's a lot wrong with this. I do not believe that we have been getting a fair shake in national elections when with Congress, we just haven't. You know, President Trump had a, basically a landslide victory, won the popular vote, ran the table on the swing states, and we eke out this tiny little majority in Congress in the House. Something ain't right. And so we've got. We gotta fight on this front and we gotta get the SAVE act done. But I'm being told there's 15 senators, Republican senators. This is. We're not even talking about Democrats right now, Ken. Right Now, Kane, there's 15 Republican senators that won't get the hell out of the way. And this is a big problem. Kaine, tell us what you know about this.

[Citizen Kane]

Okay, well, we'll talk about the same act that relates to the filibuster. The other thing, you know. Yes, I want to reiterate or I want to, you know, confirm what you were saying. 10 to 15 seats. If we can stop counting illegals in. In all states, the numbers, you know, that gives us a much bigger majority right there. And then also remember that I don't think it's happening until after. Maybe it's happening this summer, but the Voting Rights act, right, that's going to be the other component of redistricting. A lot of these congressional districts, most. Well, not just in. In blue states, but in. In all states, a lot of them are going to be thrown out. So they say that may be a plus 19 number but it's not going to affect the 2026 midterms. Now, onto the SAVE Act. As you know, to get something like the SAVE act passed, you have to get it through the Senate. You've got the filibuster problem and 60 votes. Right. So that was the whole debate during the government shutdown, whether we should finally throw out the filibuster, knowing that Democrats went the next time that they do take the Senate, that they're going to do this, that without whatever Manchin and Kirsten Sinema, they can get that vote through. So I would. Everybody was sort of anticipating that the January shutdown would be our opportunity to get rid of the filibuster. And what happened this week or last week was they. Oh, it was early this week. They reached a deal on the shutdown. So there's not going to be a shutdown, which means there will not be a movement to get rid of the filibuster, which means this. I don't know how you get to say that passed. You tell me. With, you know, over 60 votes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, it doesn't seem like. It doesn't say. I'm getting, by the way, I just getting breaking news here that Don Lemon has been charged. I'm looking into it, but he was not the first.

[Blake]

He was not the first. I think. I think they'll probably have a good case on him.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, he was in it.

[Blake]

He was. He was cheering it on.

[Charlie Kirk]

And he tried to hide behind his journalistic. Okay. Breaking Trump Justice Department charges, journalist Don Lemon, along with seven others over church protests aimed at ice. Let's see here. ICE date. ICE agent. Wow. There it is.

[Citizen Kane]

Even if he's not convicted, guys. Even if he's not convicted, the process is the punishment. The legal fees, the worrying at night about, you know, about the charges that you're facing and the potential jail terms. So even if Lemon doesn't get. Doesn't get convicted, whatever, it's sort of looking. It's like the same thing with James Comey and Letitia. James, sure, those. Those indictments were thrown out, but hey, at least we put them through some sort of process punishment.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I totally agree. Make him lawyer up. Make him defend this. It was a disgusting thing. And, you know, a lot of people said it. I thought it was an original thought. When I tweeted it out, I just said, he would never have done this to Muslims. He would have never gone.

[Blake]

Never in a million years.

[Charlie Kirk]

Never. He took advantage of the kindness of Christians to know that he could do that with, with. In a In a safe way. They weren't gonna turn around and, you know, wrestle him to the floor, stab him, shoot him, whatever.

[Blake]

Not even that. It's just he knew that. He knew that if he did it to Muslims, he would get ripped to shreds for it. If you had a big mob of people go in to intimidate a group of Muslims about something, a group of Jews in a synagogue about something, there would be consequences for it. Much more rapid and much more total and much more support from a Democratic government.

[Charlie Kirk]

There is an entire permission and support structure in place to attack white men, to attack Christians. And it's important that we tear down that support structure brick by brick, piece by piece. Because what Don Lemon did to that church, city's church in Minneapolis was disgusting. And all of those people. There's seven other indictments apparently, as well. They all deserve to be charged so that this never happens again. And if it does happen again, you come down even harder and you say, we warned you. You should have. You should have known. This happened the last time. There will be consequences. You know, Kane, we're kind of darting around here because there's a lot of news going on. Yeah, we call this the Pulse of the Base with Kane. This is your segment title, Pulse of the Base. We got two minutes left. We'll keep you on the. On the next segment, though, so we can keep talking about this. Kane, give us the Pulse of the Base. There's a lot of black pillars, a lot of doomers, lot, lot of negativity, but there's so much good happening. You know, are they down on Greenland? Are they down on.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

On.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not enough arrest? What's the pulse I could give you?

[Citizen Kane]

You know, look, let's never confuse the pulse of X and the pulse of social media for actually the pulse of the base. You know, Twitter has more and more become an unreliable indicator. I put up polls, two polls now, including the new. The new one from the New York Times. Today, Trump is doing fine with Republicans. He had 89% approval in the New York Times poll with Republicans. Now, we'd like to see that number at 95, but 89 is still really good. The only area that there might be some danger is with independence, which we've highlighted. That's how we won the seven swing states, is we got independent voters. So we could talk about that another time. But as far as the base goes, they're relatively happy with Greenland. They're a little confused. I think Trump maybe early on a week ago, could have benefited by explaining this to the people A little bit better about why we need, you know, why we need Greenland. And I think his whole plan the whole time was to get the deal, the framework of a deal that he's talked about. Now, I'm not sure, I mean, I'm sure he would have loved to have the island, but at the same time, this is the deal that he wanted. So, you know, look, the base hangs on. The base looks through, they're able to look past, sort of, they don't pay attention to media anymore. That's the one thing we know. So the base is happy. They're not thrilled with how Trump is being treated and portrayed, but he's not gonna lose them. And the fake civil war, that's, you know, I know. I got 10 seconds. I'll just say the civil war within the Republican Party is fake news.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fake news.

[Citizen Kane]

And these people turn out.

[Charlie Kirk]

You heard it from Citizen Cain. Got midterms, though, Kaine. Trump's not on the ballot. We'll talk about that when we get back. We're right back. All right, welcome back, everybody. I have been telling you guys about this partner the last couple days and apparently the reaction, the response has been tremendous and I'm so glad about it because it's such a good product. So if you have listened to this show for, for any matter of time, really, you would have heard about Strong Cell. It was one of Charlie's favorite supplements and it delivers, it has a proprietary way of delivering something called nadh, which is what makes Strong Cell so special. But it's also the power source for every cell in your body. So if you are dealing with brain fog, fatigue, lack of energy or just constant illness, you want to check this out. And the good part about this offer that we have for you guys is that it is 90 day money back guarantee. So it's completely risk free to try. It's going to work. But even if you, for whatever reason, it doesn't work for you, it will go visit Strong Cell right now and you can get your money back after 90 days if it doesn't work. Okay? So be sure to use promo code Charlie at checkout. You save 20%. StrongCell.com Strong C E L L like the cells in your body. StrongCell.com and don't forget to use our special promo code, Charlie at checkout. And you get 20% off. They just total gangbusters. So please check it out. Nadh. Look into it, Google it if you don't believe me. It is a power source for your cells in your body. Kane the big question right now, obviously, is, once we turned over into 2026, is the midterms. And there is this lingering question now, turning point action. We're going to be working in New Hampshire. We're going to be working in Arizona, Nevada. We're going to be working on congressional races that build towards 2028. Right. We have to pick our battles. Tyler Boyer is going to be on the show talking about some of this. We're hiring, we're staffing up ahead of the midterms, but we can't do it all. And there's going to be a lot of races across the country that are going to be very hotly contested, and President Trump's not going to be on the ballot. So what. What do we have to do? What's the vibe? What's. Oh.

[Citizen Kane]

He'S gonna. He's gonna treat it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Kane, We're. We're clipping in and out. Kane, Miami fan is targeting the Miami. The Miami fan base is upset. Kane, they're coming for you. All right, wait, there you are.

[Citizen Kane]

Yeah, here we go. Is there. Can you guys hear me now?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, sir.

[Blake]

Yes, we can. We can.

[Citizen Kane]

All right, so Trump and Susie Wallace have both said he's going to treat the midterms like. Like a general election, so that's obviously a really good sign. He's going to do rallies. It's still going to be hard. I looked up 2018, which was his first midterms. We lost 40 seats in the House.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mm.

[Citizen Kane]

So what's that number going to be this time? I don't know. I honestly don't think we're going to hold the House. But this. But what? You know, and then what is that going to lead to? It's going to lead to impeachments in the House. The Senate is virtually impossible to lose just based on. On the map. It would take some big. Some huge upsets. So that's part of why I was talking about the filibuster and, you know, getting back to the SAVE act, for people who don't know, the SAVE act is the Voting Reform act, you know, to require citizenship, to register, to vote, to require voter ID nationwide, all these things, you know, and I think it actually eliminates mail in ballots, which is an interesting thing, because, as you know, Andrew and Blake, Charlie sort of picked up that mantra. You guys, that was one of the keys to success in Arizona and a few other states that we really pushed on the mail in balance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, Kane, really quick here. Yeah. It would require proof to be presented in person in Most cases. Which would effectively eliminate or at least severely restrict online voter registration. Mail in, voter registration. So many automatic voter registration systems like motor voter, when you get a driver's license, which we know a lot of illegals are doing in these states where they're giving illegal driver's licenses, voter registration drives, since you couldn't just fill out a form on the spot without showing documents to an official. Right. So, you know. Yeah. By the way, turning point action. We did voter registration drives. We follow the laws of the land. We use the exact same laws that everybody else does.

[Citizen Kane]

Exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

But if they're going to restrict this, which is I think a good thing, then, you know, it's going to hamper some of these. These especially the libs, man, they get way more volunteers for this stuff because remember, they're not going to church. They're not having families.

[Blake]

This is their church.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is their church. Their church is destroying America. That's their cult.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, yeah. To your point, please, please continue.

[Citizen Kane]

I was going to say Blake knows all about same day voter registration in New Hampshire.

[Blake]

They would know, they made a point of that. They would do the whole spiel with the students at Dartmouth. They would say, you can change your vote to day of. You don't need to vote in your home state. They would explicitly say, oh, if you're from a state that's deep blue. Most of them were a lot of people from Massachusetts, California, New York, switch your vote here day of vote in this race. And I often thought, I once did the math and if they built that college on the other side of the river in Vermont, we would have won that state in 2016. We would have won Kelly Ayotte's Senate race in 2016. It makes a difference.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, we may or may not have an upcoming event at your alma mater.

[Blake]

We were going to, we were going.

[Charlie Kirk]

To have that debate. That's one of the reasons we're going back. So we'll just. You watch that space because it's key when we're talking about New Hampshire, which is a state that has more conservatives than. Or Republicans than Democrats. It's. But it's always that independent vote in the middle. Right. That's what's going to determine that state.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Yeah.

[Citizen Kane]

And to Blake's point, you know, there always talk about Massachusetts universities busing students across the state line just on election day and doing same day registration. So it's a problem. The thing is, how the heck do we get the SAVE act passed with the filibuster? And if you have to get rid of the filibuster because, you know, Democrats are going to do it. Not this term, when they. Because they aren't going to get the Senate in 2026, but they will eventually, and they do drop the filibuster. Well, whatever. There's just no motivation to get rid of the filibuster now. And so I don't see how, again, the SAVE act gets passed. Another thing on midterms, you know, I always pay attention to the generic congressional stuff. And in the New York Times poll that I put in the stack today, they've got the generic congressional at 48, 43, which 4843 Democrats. And I know that's a negative five number for us, but there was also, like the Atlas intel generic Congressional poll from about three weeks ago was 12 points, you know, plus 12 for Democrats. So this plus five number from New York Times is actually not that bad. And 48, 43 is, you know, it's whatever, it's not insurmountable the way a 12 point is. So I don't know, I don't want to be completely pessimistic, but it's gonna be a tough sled and we're gonna need, we're gonna need Trump to treat it like the general.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you're absolutely right. And I would just say if he's getting out there and you gotta imagine Elon's gonna be activated, everybody' we know these guys are just going to bog everything down in investigations and all of this stuff. I wanted you throw up this graphic, though, here. Just real quick, last thought. Rasmussen. Rasmussen Reports is requiring photo ID to vote, a reasonable measure to protect the integrity of elections. All voters, altogether 73% say yes, which is huge. So, you know. Yeah, here's the issue, what I'm told. I've been back channeling with some senators. There's these 10 to 15 senators basically think it's constitutional, institutionally problematic for the federal government to weigh in on states the way they conduct their elections. Right. But the legal question then is can they weigh in on federal elections that are conducted by the states? So that's, that's the key. So that, that's the excuse they're throwing up, but it's, it's pathetic. Citizen Kane, Citizen Free Press. Check out the stack. I go there multiple times every day. You should, too. God bless you, sir. We'll talk to you soon.

[Citizen Kane]

Thanks to both of you.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, Ben Weingarten joins us next. Don't go anywhere.

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[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Well, it is incredible how the Trump administration has put so much pressure about on the Mexican government fighting the corruption on the three levels and also exposing the dirty politicians inside of Mexico. This aircraft C130 that is better known as the Hercules in the United States was here to extract 37 high impact criminals, cartel leaders. The Trump administration doing something that is historic. Nobody in history in the United States of America has pressured so much the government of Mexico to right now about more than 90 criminals. Leaders of these organized crime and criminal cells have been extracted and they are now under the power and under the justice system of the United States of America. The Trump administration pressuring so much the government of Mexico that they are now bending the knee and telling them you know what, here are the leaders of cartels. Take them into custody and find justice for them inside of the country of the United States.

[Bo Davidson]

Oscar, that's, that's, that's incredible. I mean that's amazing news and it shows that the campaign is working. Oscar, how did the Mexican authorities about apprehending these 37 individuals? I mean this could not have been easy.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

No, they have been apprehended. But the thing about it is that a lot of people are questioning the Mexican government, who has the power and who has the security of the country. It means that the Mexican people and also the United States government does not trust the three levels of government of Mexico to make sure that these people are going to be held accountable for all the crimes against humanity. The enormous trafficking of Fentol. You have people on these 37 high impact criminals that they have been trafficking tons and tons of fentanyl to the United States of America. It tells you the power, it also tells you the Trump administration how much intel and information and extraction of information that they have over these terrorist organizations as Cartel Sinaloa, El Cartel Jalis, Conueba, generacion. And these 37 high impact criminals, now they are on the power of the Trump administration and the United States government.

[Bo Davidson]

Okay, so Oscar, President Trump has threatened to take military action against the cartels. This may be evidence, in part of that at least, the pressure campaign. Is this evidence of Claudia Sheinbaum finally doing something about it or is she still beholden to the cartels? I think people want to know this.

[Oscar El Blue Ramirez]

Every time that the Trump administration or Donald Trump says, I'm going to go at it with the cartels underground, immediately Claddid Shinebaum bends the knee and says, hey, stop. I don't want you to come in and do that. I will take care of it. Here are 37 high impact criminals that she said right now just to lower down the tensions and just to tell Donald Trump, you know what, please do not come. And basically I'm gonna say this like it is, Bo, don't come and attack my associates. This is the reality. We have a corrupt system. We have a president that says that she doesn't wanna call the cartels as terrorists because it is against the constitution, that she doesn't wanna call the cartels that they are terrorists because it is against several sections of our constitution of Mexico. This is the problem. This is the reason why the Trump administration, it is pressuring, pressuring, pressuring. And it is like a chess game. It is just a domino effect. And it is bound to happen that at one particular point she's going to have to bend the knee and collaborate with American authorities.

[Bo Davidson]

That's right. But this is Good news. These 37 criminals. So thank you, Oscar, for your reporting on there. We'll keep an eye on this and we'll take a break now. We'll be right back with the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Hour two of the Charlie Kirk shows underway January 22nd. Lots of good news today. Lots and lots of good news coming through. And something we want to make sure that is not being overlooked is some of the behind the scenes work that's being done to clear out a gut of terrible precedents that have been living just sort of behind the surface of the federal government for decades. And you brought it up when we had Kelly Loeffler. And we're actually gonna bring her back on because a lot of news has happened at Small Business Administration on something called 8A, which if you had to summarize quickly, Blake, before we bring Ben on, what is 8A?

[Blake]

8A is. It's this giant morass federal program to basically or orders. It's a program created by Congress, orders the government to give a certain percentage of its contracts to businesses that are certified as owned by disadvantaged people. Small businesses owned by disadvantaged people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Blake]

And this being America, who counts as disadvantaged has grown to the point where you are disadvantaged if you're anything other than a white man.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

So if you're a woman, if you are basically anyways, if you are from a national group that makes more money on average than white Americans, like I believe Indian Americans, Nigerians disadvantage, they out earn white Americans.

[Charlie Kirk]

So here to help us explain this is Ben Weingarten, who is a Newsmax contributor. He's also a Real Clear Politics contributor and writer. Ben, good to see you again. Welcome back to the show. I think this, correct me if I'm wrong, is this the first time we've had you back since, you know, we lost Charlie? I always want to give the guests an opportunity to reflect on that as a first, as a first step.

[Ben Weingarten]

Well, thanks so much for having me. And it is the first time since being back what a, what a loss it has been for the country. You guys have done an exceptional job picking up the mantle to the extent anyone can. And I think the way to honor his legacy is to fight with just as much vigor, just as much intellectual honesty and heft, and with as impassioned a sort of drive as we can possibly have to overcome these forces of evil and darkness that conspired to take him down. So, you know, as Jew, we say, may his memory be a blessing. And I would also say may his memory and his works inspire us to go forth and conquer in this war of ideas and for civilization on his behalf.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well said, Ben. And you've been a longtime guest. Intermittently. You have these great pieces that come through ever real clear. And I know you're also at Newsmax now. And so congratulations on all your success and all the things you're doing. This is a huge story. Charlie was all over Disparate Impact. He was all over crt. He was all over dei, something we never talked about until just recently. And Christopher Rufo has been talking about it as well. And we're gonna have Kelly Leffler, actually Loeffler, on the show tomorrow. She wants to come back on and give updates on what's going on over at sba. But how big of a problem is this insidious little thing called 8A and what's being done to solve it?

[Ben Weingarten]

Yeah, well, thanks so much for those kind words. And 8A really looks like the Small Business Administration manifestation of DI on steroids. And even if you think that that's a political characterization, we need look no further than the fact, the fact that hence Focus by the Biden administration under its effort to infuse every single aspect of the federal government with quote, unquote equity. And what they wanted to do was raise the percentage of SBA contracts to 8A firms, 8 eligible firms, qualified firms, from 5% of contracts to small businesses to 15%. That's really all you need to know about how significant of a thrust this was. And what does that mean? We're talking percentages, but these are tens of billions of dollars in contracts every year that are steered towards purported socially and economically disadvantaged individually owned small businesses or majority minority owned small businesses. And so that's massive, obviously, when we're talking about no bid contracts or limited competition focus from federal authorities, and this is really dating back years, if not decades, is on the fact that the program is open to massive amounts of waste, fraud and abuse. There's a recent prosecution over, in this case, of course, a US Aid administrator who was doling out contracts to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and receiving kickbacks pursuing with these eight A firms. But beyond that, the main allegations are that you have these pass through entities where a firm puts itself out there as being owned by a minority business owner and then subcontracts out the work to massive defense contractors, for example. So essentially the idea is that you have a front company that looks like a minority company and they don't really do any of the work, but they collect the fees and, and then they shift a percentage of those fees on to a major company that actually does most of the work. And then of course, there's the idea that there are companies who claim to be socially and economically disadvantaged and in reality should not be based upon the criteria set up by sba, and there have been studies done by inspectors general to show that. So one thing is the waste, fraud, abuse, and that this, this looks like a racial preference program that is potentially rife with fraud, and that's led to all sorts of scrutiny by the sba, by the Treasury Department, now by the Department of War, according to a recent announcement by Secretary Hegseth. And beyond, the other aspect is, is this thing legal in the first place? And there are regulations underpinning how this program is actually executed that suggests that there is a rebuttable presumption that you are a socially and an economically disadvantaged business. If you are a member of a minority group, that presumption was challenged. So, basically, if you are not a minority, you have to prove that you're socially and economically disadvantaged. But if you are, you're assumed to qualify for the program unless there's evidence shown to the contrary, and that evidence is basically never shown. Historically, that regulation was challenged, and at least one federal court found that it didn't pass legal muster. So to get around that ruling, the Biden administration said, okay, we're not going to use a rebuttable presumption, but under this program, you're going to have to draft a socially disadvantaged narrative essay to show ways in which you've been disadvantaged. And so this is basically like a proxy for what the Supreme Court assumed that a lot of universities might try to do to get around affirmative action being prohibited, which is just write an essay as a proxy for it. So we've seen that similar regulations have gone from the SBA and been applied by a slew of other agencies now in other programs. So while you had a court say this rebuttable presumption for the SBA doesn't pass legal muster, and the Biden administration tried to find a workaround. The underlying regulation has been adopted by a ton of other agencies in doling out awards under programs to advance, quote, unquote, socially and economically disadvantaged individual. So this looks like racial preferences that continue to exist. And so I wrote in this recent story about Real Career investigations, about a lawsuit that seeks to wash away this regulation and invalidate it, not just at the sba, but everywhere. It's been adopted across the federal government.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Just to put this in perspective here, because you, you. You didn't brush over it. But I just want to draw our attention to it again. In 2024, the SBA awarded some $78 billion, or 12% of all contract dollars. So they didn't even hit their 15% mark to so called small disadvantaged businesses, often under no bid or limited competition arrangement. So that's 78 billion in one agency. And to assume that there is some fraud, waste and abuse in there I think would be a safe assumption.

[Blake]

The waste is baked in because you're just allowed to pay more for something you could get cheaper. That's already wasteful on top of the literal fraud that they do on top of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's just interesting as the demographics of the country shift, Ben, it's like, how long are we going to keep up this ruse anyways? More with Ben Weingart. And we're going to keep, keep going on this. We got the DO to discuss as well. Be right back. All right. Did you know that private average student loan debt in the US totals about $300 billion and about $45 billion of that is labeled as distressed. And interestingly, I went and hung out with the guys over at Y Refi yesterday and it's just amazing. You think about a financial company that is helping refinance private student loans and you think it's pretty straightforward. But the stories I heard were just incredible. I had no idea. I mean, they were telling me stories. They get calls from people that are struggling with this debt and they're literally suicidal. That's how like this debt hangs over people's heads. So when you talk about, when you talk about the college cabal, the college cartel, college is a scam, all these things that Charlie talked about so much. And you think about the level of debt that is sitting on the shoulders of people that have just tried to get a diploma because they've been told this is the thing that they need to succeed in life. And then you find out what happens on the backside of that when they're, you know, encouraged to get like, you know, you know, 17th century French poetry degree or whatever, you know, 17th century.

[Blake]

French poetry is like peak French poetry.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that's what I, I don't care. There's. It's not exactly employable. It's. I mean, especially with like AI these days. What are you gonna do as a, as a poet? Anyways, the point is there's a lot of these people out there that got these useless degrees, useless pieces of paper, and they call Y Refi and they have like a whole testimonial wall and a portion of their office where they get these calls and they're like one part, you know, financial assistance, you know, helpers, and then they're one part counselors. Because these people find themselves in such a hole. So if that is you, you do not have to live like that. I had no, I really, I mean, I had no idea. And I learned a lot. And these poor people and what, what's been done to them, this whole system telling them they need to go get into $250,000 worth of debt just to get a piece of paper, and they can't even get a job on the back end. It's tragic. So if that is you or if you know somebody that's in that situation, you got to check out why refi. They really care. They really make this a point. It's personal for them. They want to help people. 888-Y-REFI 34 888-YREFI 34 or visit [e-mail] they'll get you locked in with a good, a good rate. So, you know, under 6%, they can guarantee that they'll even let you Skip payments every six months up to 12 times. And they're going to get you a payment that will work for you. So that's the key. Go visit them right now. If you know somebody, send them that direction as well. Yrefi.com 888 yrefi34 all right, Ben, there is news also on the 8 front that you mentioned this briefly, but it's kind of a program that's morphed and it's evolved and it's, it's kind of spread to other parts of the government. And so Pete Hegseth came out and said that he's getting rid of 8A. How big of a chunk of money are we talking over at Dow?

[Ben Weingarten]

We're definitely talking in hours annually. And when you look at say that again.

[Charlie Kirk]

Long period, then say that again. Your, your feed cut out a little.

[Ben Weingarten]

Bit, but we're definitely talking about billions of dollars annually. And the Department of Defense is among the biggest dollars out of contracts to 8A eligible firms. So it's like DoD, HHS are some of the main agencies that contract through the SBA with these eight A firms. And so there's been allegations of defense contractors oftentimes effectively winning business using 8A firms as fronts essentially to get business they couldn't otherwise get. And something that was mentioned before the break that's really kind of perverse in this is shouldn't all companies be competing according to their merits on their own qualifications? And it's the same thing with affirmative action. In school, courts have said that these affirmative action type programs, it was always assumed that they would lapse they would go away when we reached a place where discrimination wasn't rooted in all of these different institutions. And if it's been found in the schools, certainly wouldn't we have found it in the private sector as well at this time. And it's also worth noting, by the way, we're talking about 8A in a federal government. And there's questions about whether or not that can even comport with the Trump administration's own executive orders against DEI in federal contracting and in the federal government. But you also have these disadvantaged business enterprises, so called that get carved out contracts at the state and local level. So it's billions upon the federal, billions of dollars that are involved here. And there's a whole racket arguably associated with it in the law firms that represent these companies. In the advisors course tends the people who write the studies justifying the continued use of racial preferences. So it is a massive, massive deal. And in terms of dollar value, you can argue that it goes way beyond what it would mean to abolish affirmative action in colleges. This is tens of billions of dollars, at least just on the federal side every single year. Taxpayer dollars.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, and I think that's really smart. And this is, you know, some of this is wonky. I'm sure the audience is kind of, you know, it's a little bit in the weeds. But it's so critically important because when we have senators like Ron Johnson here saying we got to get back to pre Covid level spending, okay, which is what, for four and a half trillion dollars? Now we're at like seven. Okay, Six and a half, seven. This is why it's so important because when you increase the federal budget like this and you got these eight and this di. And this disparate impact embedded within the federal code and all these statutes, you got to just assume all your tax dollars just going away and getting flushed down the toilet for stuff that really is illegal. I mean, I remember Stephen Miller was on a crusade before he got back into the administration suing a bunch of this anti white discrimination. And especially as the demographics of the country change when, when you got 50% white country and you got 50%, you know, minority country, a lot of this, a lot of this doesn't make any sense.

[Blake]

It's sort of like in Los Angeles, their school district has a special category.

[Charlie Kirk]

James Graduski. Yeah, he's on next about.

[Blake]

You'll create special categories where it's supposed to be. They'll have schools where they're marked as special because they're majority Non white. And they get special privileges because the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Idea is smaller class sizes.

[Blake]

Smaller class sizes, more money, all these things. And it's. 80% of the schools qualify for this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, because it's only 10 of the students in LA are now white.

[Blake]

So what you're, you're literally at the point where, okay, this is not a leg up for this disadvantaged small group. It's, we just want to punish white.

[Charlie Kirk]

People and make their spending, it's spending a lot of money. Here's Pete Hegseth on reviewing and rooting out eight within the Dow 398 effective immediately. I'm ordering a line by line review of every small business, sole source. 8 a contract that is over $20 million. And we'll look at everything smaller than that too. It's a two stage mission. First, if a contract doesn't make us more lethal, it's gone. We have no room in our budget for wasteful DEI contracts that don't help us win wars, period, full stop. Second, we're doing away with these pass through schemes. We'll make sure that every small business getting a contract is the one actually doing the work and not just some shell company funneling your money to a giant consulting firm. Ben, final word to you. 20 seconds.

[Ben Weingarten]

This is similar to in Minneapolis. You have basically government programs with limited safeguards and of course they're going to get abused. And I think the really important thing is this. The Trump administration is trying to do everything it can. Using executive power to get out of the DEI business can all turn right back on in a future administration.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, it's so true. This is why we gotta win the midterms. We gotta win in 28. Ben Weingarten, Newsmax Contributor, Real Clear Investigations thank you, my friend. We'll be right back.

[Bo Davidson]

I'm Bo Davidson with your Real America's Voice. News headlines. President Trump is wrapping up his trip to the World Economic Forum in Davos. So Switzerland. While you were sleeping, he participated in the Charter announcement and signing for the Board of Peace, which is meant to oversee the ceasefire and long term peace aspirations for Gaza. While President Trump is the Chairman of the Board, the initial board members include the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Qatar, Turkey, Morocco, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Bahrain, Hungary, Kosovo and Azerbaijan. Conspicuously absent from today's signing were US Allies like France, Germany and the United Kingdom. Here's Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

[Marco Rubio]

Without losing focus on what's before us now, this is what's possible for other places and other conflicts that seem impossible to solve. Right now. So I want to, on behalf of the United States, on behalf of the team that worked so hard on this, thank every single one of the leaders that are here here today and all the countries that have committed to joining and many others who are going to join. You know, others either are not in town today or they have to go through some procedure internally in their own countries, in their own country because of constitutional limitations. But others will join. Many want to be a part of this effort because it is going to be a successful effort.

[Bo Davidson]

Now, French President Emmanuel Macron has been one of the most vocal opponents of the Board of Peace so far. He's been a holdout. But President Trump is threatening to slap France with a 200% tariff on wine and champagne if Macron doesn't fall in line. We will certainly keep you updated on that. Meanwhile, former President Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary are one major step closer to being held in contempt of Congress. Wednesday, the House Oversight voted to advance contempt resolutions against both of them for ignoring a subpoena to be deposed as part of the committee's Jeffrey Epstein investigation. The panel voted 34 to 8 to hold Bill in contempt and 28 to 15 to hold Hillary accountable for not showing up. Several Democrats joined Republicans to move the resolutions forward. A vote on the full House floor is reportedly expected to happen as soon as the first week in February. Meantime, attorneys for the Clintons made a last minute attempt over the weekend to avoid the contempt hearing. Those are your headlines. And we now return to THE CHARLIE KIRK show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Stop watching the news and start making some The Charlie Kirk Show.

[Bo Davidson]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake]

And for all the people getting, you.

[Citizen Kane]

Know, giving me death threats, threatening my life, kill me.

[Charlie Kirk]

Go ahead, kill me. Because you know what?

[Citizen Kane]

As Fred Hampton said, you can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.

[Blake]

It's too bad this guy didn't go protest a church in Chicago, because then we could have had William Kelly on to discuss William Kelly.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's a good point. So this is. This guy's been spotted all over D.C. he's a complete lunatic. This is what he does full time. So. So he said, come arrest me. Pam Bondi said, okay, deal. I'll take that deal. Now, an update. Apparently a magistrate judge blocked the Don Lamond charges, so they. I'm not exactly. We're getting the details there. So Don Lemon has not been charged. Yeah, there you go. Magistrate judge rejects charges against Don Lemon over anti ICE protests in Minnesota church. Okay, this is pro. My guess here is that this is some sort of activist judge who didn't want to, you know, he just is treating Don Lemon as a, as an independent journalist. Don Lemon was not an independent journalist. He was, he was there as an activist. Okay. You don't kiss the main lead organizers also been charged and arrested. You don't tell them thank you for your service and defend their actions if you're just an independent journalist. He's an activist. Okay? That's what he is now. Welcome back, Ryan. James Gardusky there. We got the housekeeping out of the way there, sir. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to see you.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Thank you. And you said a crazy guy with a beanie was arrested. I thought Tim Pool was going to show up, but, I mean, this is much better news.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. As far as I know, Tim hasn't been raiding churches, storming churches, although I wouldn't put it past him. He's. He's, he's unpredictable. All right, so you had this interesting take here, and I think we've got the graphic and we throw it up, but you, you basically break down the, the states that are losing population. And this is something that we've been on really for a long time, Ryan, where you say green states that saw net positive migration from other Americans, purple states are states that saw net negative migration. And you say this immigration is the only thing keeping certain blue states like New York, Illinois, New Jersey and California from losing 10 plus congressional districts. Take us back in time because this was a fight in Trump 1.0 where they tried to make it so that in the census we would not have illegals counted in the census. What happened?

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Well, I mean, listen, when I say immigration, it is both legal and illegal. I think that has to be sat there and stated. From my recollection from the census thing they brought up to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court said no, that they have to be counted. Now, before that, there was also a court, court case that said that only people of voting age and legality should be counted. In other words, children shouldn't be counted. And people who can't be voted, their residents or the visitors or their legal visitors or they are illegal aliens should not be counted because that would at least make every congressional district of equal voting population. There are some congressional districts that have 100 or 150,000 more voters than other districts. Makes them much more expensive, harder to win. So that was interesting. But all the court has been very pretty consistent sitting there and saying, no, it's every person in the building gets counted. So with that, with that happening, especially because of COVID there was a mass change in movement. As far as people goes. California essentially has the same amount of people today as it did in 2020. Right. American citizens are leaving that state. They're leaving New York, they're leaving Illinois. They're not willing to deal with the nonsense of failed government, Democrat governance. What is happening is, is that the 300,000 plus people who have moved to California from other countries have made up from the loss of population of Americans. So in the 2030 census, when California should be like, okay, when they say, how are the states doing? Where do people want to live? Where are people moving? California should lose five seats. They really probably should lose five seats. They wouldn't have gained so many had it not been for illegal aliens over time, but they should lose five seats. It is only for legal and illegal immigration that they don't lose more. So it is very important in these four years where President Trump's really cracking down on illegal immigration, he is putting up barriers for illegal immigration, that we sit there and we really reduce these numbers. Because in the 2030 decade, right as it stands now, Texas, Florida, Utah, Arizona are all set to get Idaho set to gain correctional seats. California, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Illinois will all lose. Or Washington or Oregon is supposed to lose one as well. They will all lose. What does that actually mean as far as presidential politics go? It means that that decade will be the first decade where the entire blue wall does not matter. In other words, if a Republican wins North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arizona, they win the presidency. And Ohio, I should say Ohio too. As long as they win Ohio plus those other states, states, they win the presidency, there's no more conversation of how Wisconsin is going. I mean, it will be important to win those states and to sit there and campaign there, but it's not necessary anymore. The entire climate changes and it becomes very difficult for Democrats to really climb out of that as Florida is not a swing state anymore, as Texas has not become a swing state like they hoped it would be. Arizona, North Carolina and Georgia is really, you know, they have, they have work to do there to sit there and try to win yet, and still they cannot count on these big blue states to live in because Americans don't want to live there.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's such a big topic, Ryan, because, you know, you have native born Americans that are abandoning American states. They're, they're completely, they're opting out, they're Walking. And it just, it seems like such a travesty that we have whole tracks of this country that Americans find so detestable that they refuse to live there. It doesn't matter. And they have family linkage.

[Blake]

California was, let's be frank, it was paradise for decades. And paradise is depopulating. It is a place of the very rich and the very poor.

[Charlie Kirk]

You have to be a special kind of stupid to drive people away from California. You just, you have. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Brian.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Yeah, no, it's true. And think of, I mean, but think of like public schools, right? Public schools are literally free for people to attend, and yet they still won't. Democrats will make something unlikable even if you give it away for free. That is how bad some policies have been. And think of all the millions who are literally trapped there, who vote against its policies year in and year out, and they sit there and they try to work their way to make sure super majorities maintain, and the insanity continues. So I think it's very, very important, though, that the whole country doesn't go down that route. And we are no longer held hostage to these big blue states anymore because Americans don't want to live there. And if we can cut off illegal immigration, start deporting people, I mean, we are. But ramp it up. And if we can sit there and reduce legal immigration, on top of that, we saw, we will see massive change to the tune of 1012 seats out of blue states into red 1012 electoral colleges. And it's a whole different ball game. It's just a completely different. The 2000s change radically.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, the 2000s change, I think there's an. I think there's an argument. Listen, if we look at what the Democrats are doing in Virginia, they're going full Marxist in an D +6 state. And we, we can't get Indiana to redistrict. There's a. We are, we are taking a knife to a gunfight, if you will. And it's, I mean, we're just, we're still playing under an old playbook. And I thought we were past that. I thought in the era of Trump, we'd finally learn to learn our lesson after 2024. We have not. We have not. And, you know, so Ryan, you are the host of It's a Numbers Game. You're also, you do the nap pop.substack.com youm're also the founder of the 1776 Project Pack. You're like one of those people we bring on the show. And I got to have all these different like titles ready to go. Yes.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no. You're doing, you're doing great work. All because. So you are a numbers game guy. Talk about this deep mass deportations. You just said we got to ramp it up. I agree. Then you got Axio saying that this is so unpopular, the Trump administration is looking at it. You got this story this morning of this five year old illegal that the Democrats are spreading all this propaganda. Turns out the data banded him. How popular unpopular is it? And specifically with independents and minorities.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

So the New York Times poll that just came out this morning was terrible for Trump. It was horrible poll numbers except on two issues, border security and deporting illegal immigrants. Now they're going to sit there and say, oh look, the poll said that ICE is unpopular. Yeah, they don't, people don't like mass agents. They don't like watching families cry. They don't. People are people like they have a heart. However, that doesn't mean that they don't endorse the deportation effort. It is the most popular issue still when they ask what is Trump doing right, deporting illegal immigrants. It was popular among not only Republicans, but I think it was plus 12among independents. It was positive among all age demographics over the age of 30. So only the very young were opposed to it. It was pop. Very popular among men. I think it was 50, 50among women. It is the issue that people voted for Donald Trump. Listen, there was no like, oh, I wonder what he'll sit there and do. The signs were at the convention, deport mass deportation now. So overall, yes, when they see the images on social media, they really don't like them. It's really given something. They don't like what happened in Minneapolis. However, they still support deport doing mass deportations. If blue states would get on board with actually allowing prisons to, you know, obliged by ICE detainers and we could deport them straight from prisons, which blue states are stopping right now. It would be a much easier and pragmatic approach. We can't have that. We should also be looking at fining increasing fines against employers that hire illegals. That's an easier way to do it. But the good thing is that the brookings institute and AEI looked at this. We're having a net loss, about 100,000 illegal foreign born citizens this year. This year. And not citizens, but foreign born residents this year and about half a million next year.

[Citizen Kane]

Year. It is working.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

It might be a little painful for the people who are queasy, but it is working and it's a good thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

More with Ryan James G. On the other side of this break. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Bitcoin Document Studio. I want to play this clip from JD Vance and he's talking about we're not going to stop, we're not going to stop deporting illegals. So get over it. 404 the far left has decided that the United States of America shouldn't have a border anymore and they are willing to fight and penalize and dox and even insult our law enforcement officers in order to fight for the basic principle that anybody ought to be able to come into the United States, States of America. Well, I'll tell you right now, the Trump administration, we reject that we are going to get illegal criminals out of our country and we're not going to let a few left wing radicals stop us. So it seems like the administration is getting the memo here. Ryan James Gardusky, 1776 Pac Blake. Read some of these numbers though on this New York Times poll because sure, for sure, I mean I interesting to me.

[Blake]

So as you mentioned, he makes no sense. He's strongest on the border but and unsurprisingly people are annoyed about the Epstein files thing but like for example he's only 41 approved, 53 disapprove on Venezuela which we talked to Rick Varis about that. It's interesting because Latin America does overwhelmingly seem to like it and it seems it basically did work whatever he was, what his plan was and you know.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

We didn't invade, we didn't have a.

[Blake]

War so why are they unhappy about there or 3754 on the Israel Palestine conflict where it's imperfect but they actually did get a ceasefire in that one which is one of the things he promised he would get.

[Charlie Kirk]

So he's seen as too close to Bibi. Yeah.

[Blake]

34 negative 2434-58 on Russia, Ukraine, I guess it hasn't ended the war yet but nothing catastrophic has happened either.

[Charlie Kirk]

But if you look at that because.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Because if you look at the numbers right, it's, it's comes down to the essential thing of inflation and cost of living. Right. The only thing that he does worse than the cost of living on is the Epstein files. And it's kind of like something one thing is polluted and therefore everything is polluted. It makes no rhyme or reason like on, on Israel, he did a great job on Venezuela, everything worked out like so there's the negative negativity towards the issue of cost of living and the feeling that he is not organized on the issue of cost of living and that's not a priority pollutes everything. The one caveat I will say with the Times and I'm not, I'm not a poll truther, but the one caveat I will provide for the Times issue is when they ask independents, do you lean Republican or Democrats? Overwhelmingly Democrats. So there could be some, maybe a little, maybe a margin of error in one way or the other. But I think that the idea is that the priorities are not there. We want to really focus a lot on. On American, American stuff and making sure American jobs are coming back. And I think that that is just creates negativity across, across the board on everything.

[Blake]

What is driving the. So people say cost of living affordability. Is that a Vibes based thing? Is there something specific they see? Because I just thought I was looking up and I know rental prices in a lot of big cities are stagnating or falling. So housing, especially for people, health care.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Is a big part of it. But also it is one of the worst times when to be young and looking for a job in our country. Like that is just the truth. I don't know whether it's AI or jobs being moved overseas or whatever the case is. You hear a lot of things from a lot of different people and you kind of try to parse through to find the truth. That though is a really big part of it. And the number one group that is sit there and turned on Trump are young people. It's people under the age of 30. His numbers are very stable for people over the age of 30. I mean, they're really not horrendous. There are some numbers that are. That could be off, it could be better. However, the numbers under 30 are where you're seeing the biggest U turn against him. I kind of think in part. Part of it it's vibes and it's social media and people getting outraged over. Over every kind of nonsense there is. And part of it, I think it is one of the worst times to be a young person to try to find a job.

[Charlie Kirk]

I will tell you, we had a bunch of turning point students on the show not too long ago and I was struck by how much they kept going. And again, these are conservative kids. All right, okay, so it's a selected bias there. But I was struck by how much they talked about H1B and listen, I'm H1B is A actually a small fraction of a much larger legal immigration to some Extent.

[Blake]

But it's what they talk about, right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because it's symbolic for them because they feel like, you know, yeah, they do have the AI onslaught coming. That's, that's an entry level job killer. AI is going to, is going to take a lot of analyst jobs. It's going to take a lot of, you know, data jobs. So they look at H1B as a truly symbolic problem for their generation going into the workforce. I think they need to do more on that. I think they need to do more on legal immigration, because legal immigration is actually, structurally, I think, one of the biggest problems facing the country.

[Citizen Kane]

Yeah.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

And listen, President Trump is going all in on AI. He's making a really big bet. He says it's going to create more jobs than it takes away. Maybe it does, and maybe we're just in the pain, period. I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. However, if he is wrong, it is a generational consequence. Like, there's. I don't know if anyone sat there and said, Mr. President, what if you are wrong on this major, major thing and you're looking at a generation where 20% can't find a job? I think that that's a real conversation that Democrats on the left are having. Ro Khanna is having that conversation. Democrats are saying, what are we going to do about AI in a real way where we redistribute wealth? They're speaking about as a solution towards socialism, as AI is the gateway to actually get real socialism in America in a way that we have never felt it. They think that that's the answer. And I know the internal polling that they have flagged. The President says the numbers on AI are not great like they do. Most Americans are worried about it. They're not concerned. You are the AI President. I think that that's something that they should be sitting there and trying to calculate and say, okay, what are, you know, what are we doing?

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I saw David Sacks was flagging this over at Davos, and he was talking about how China has, you know, the Chinese population has like an 80% positive rate, you know, when polled about AI. And in the United States, it's like 40, 41, 43.

[Blake]

I think the president is right to go for AI because it's not even whether AI will create jobs or not. It's that AI will exist. And do you want it to be in America, like, or do you want to be in China and we lose whatever jobs it takes?

[Ryan James Gradusky]

Oh, do you want to regulate it at all? That's the question is like, like, like Sachs will say, oh, we need a federal regulation. And then just ask Sachs, okay, what's the federal regulation you support? And see if he says anything, because I have yet to see when, when you ask Silicon Valley to police themselves, they fail. Do I mean, we, we can just go back to 2020 where they were literally on board with every single far left extreme thing that there was, and then Trump was popular and won and now they're all on board, but they'll leave us again in 35 seconds. They don't care. They have no loyalty. If you ask what is the thing you're willing to sit there and actually get hard federal legislation on what is it? And I don't just tell me, you know, children, child pornography. Tell me a real concrete thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, I listen and I know there was a bunch of back and forth on the one big beautiful bill and there was that one clause which was going to, you know, put off any regulation at the state level for 10 years or whatever. It made sense because California was in New York are so large, their economies are so large that they could basically dictate a patchwork of woke regulation at the state level on AI and it would screw everybody else. So I understood the sentiment. It got demonized and villainized. Yeah, 20 seconds.

[Ryan James Gradusky]

But Andrew, but remember, Tennessee was what killed that part of the bill. I know Tennessee did. It wasn't New York or California. Texas has AI regulation, Florida has a AI regulation. It is not just the thing is, yeah, we're going to end up with patchwork because there's no federal response. Either make a federal response and give up something. Instead of asking Silicon Valley for, for advice, give up something that the taxpayer, the voters want, or you're going to see just states continue to do it. You can't have it both ways.

[Charlie Kirk]

Ryan, James, really good conversation. We'll have you on back again soon. That's it for, for us at the Charlie Kirk Show. We'll see you tomorrow. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.