The Charlie Kirk Show, January 28, 2026

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – January 28, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Episode: The Charlie Kirk Show
Date: January 28, 2026
Location: Bitcoin.com Studios, Phoenix, Arizona
Notable Guests: Kelly Loeffler (SBA Administrator), John Daniel Davidson (The Federalist), Eric Metaxas (Author/Broadcaster)
Host Crew: Andrew, Blake, Benny Ray Harmony, Terrence Bates

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives deeply into current American political and cultural events, focusing on issues of leadership, law enforcement, immigration policy, government accountability, and America’s Christian heritage. Featuring in-depth discussion with policymakers, journalists, and commentators, the program aims to rally the conservative base, highlight Trump administration initiatives, and reinforce the ongoing influence of Christian values in America's national identity.

Major storylines include the fallout from the Minneapolis shooting, the Trump administration's approach to immigration enforcement, a breaking audit in the SBA’s 8A program, the launch of the "Trump accounts" for children, and a passionate argument for America's Christian roots.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Leadership and Law Enforcement Controversies

• Violence & Accountability in Leadership

  • The show opens with pointed criticism of current leadership, arguing that encouraging violence and fear necessitates new leaders:

    "If our leaders are intentionally creating and encouraging violence and fear, then I hope...we need new leaders because these are not leaders." – Blake & Terrence Bates (00:25)

• Fallout from the Minneapolis Shooting

  • Details emerge about the deadly law enforcement action with Alex Preddy, including claims of media and leftist narrative manipulation, and calls for more measured government messaging.
  • There’s commentary against leaping to conclusions or overreacting before investigations are complete.

    “We don't know that it's untrue. But I do believe that the messaging was unhelpful in the immediate aftermath. A more cautious approach...would have probably been more appropriate.” – Andrew (12:14)

• Debate over Stephen Miller

  • Heated rhetoric against Stephen Miller (accused of being responsible for controversial law enforcement policies) is discussed, including graphic calls for his prosecution by both right- and left-wing figures.
  • The hosts frame such rhetoric as irresponsible and dangerous.

Notable Quote

“I want Stephen Miller to be the number one in the Nuremberg trials. When this is done, I want Stephen Miller to be the first one who is tried and convicted and dangles...” – Andrew quoting others, condemns language (01:10, 39:56)

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2. Ilhan Omar Incident Analysis

• Ilhan Omar’s Spraying Incident
  • Ilhan Omar was attacked with an unknown substance during a speech; the hosts express skepticism over the incident’s veracity but strongly condemn any political violence regardless.

    “If this is true, this is not the way. It's not okay. People should be able to deliver remarks...without fearing for their lives.” – Andrew (07:07, 09:58)

• Discussion About Fake Hate Crimes
  • Reference to the Jussie Smollett case and broader implications when ‘fake’ incidents are staged to provoke animosity.

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3. Trump Administration Team Analogies & Messaging

• Football Team Analogy – Conservative Unity

  • The team analogy is used to encourage resilience and unity among Trump loyalists, even in light of setbacks or mistakes (e.g., communications missteps about police shootings).

    “When a player commits a false start in football, you're set back five yards, you don't quit the drive...you don't abandon your team.” – Andrew (17:20)

  • Emphasizes the importance of all roles in moving forward (featuring Tom Brady’s Super Bowl comeback as inspiration).

• Critique of Leftist Media & Activists

  • Calls for extreme punishment (including violence) against political figures—especially those enforcing immigration laws—are catalogued and rebuked as indicative of deep division and intolerance by the left.

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4. Policy & Program Updates

SBA’s 8A Program Audit (Guest: Kelly Loeffler)

• Major breaking news: The Trump administration suspended 1,091 firms from the 8A small business contracting program upon evidence of wide-scale fraud, abuse, and unconstitutional race-based discrimination instituted and expanded under Biden.

• Kelly Loeffler details the audit process, findings ($5 billion in suspect contracts), and efforts to eliminate race as a qualifying criterion.

  “There has never been an audit of what is a program that is designed to let economically and socially disadvantaged [people] compete...What we saw was discriminating against white small business owners.” – Kelly Loeffler (27:58)

• Prosecution referrals are ongoing; the SBA is modeling a no-tolerance approach to DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion)-based fraud.

• California Wildfire Recovery

  • New policy: Fast-track of federal disaster and rebuilding assistance for California fire victims—overriding local permitting obstacles and accusations that state leaders obstructed recovery for political gain.

Trump Accounts for Kids

• Introduction of "Trump accounts": government-backed financial accounts for every newborn child, seeded with $1,000 (with potential for parental and employer contributions up to $5,000/year). Aims to build generational wealth and instill ‘skin in the game’ for young Americans.

  “For the first time ever, we're going to give every newborn American child a financial stake in the future, head start at life and a fair shot at the American dream.” – Kelly Loeffler (25:05, 71:03)

• Rollout and signups begin July 4, 2026, as part of "America 250" celebrations.

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5. Immigration Enforcement and the ‘Nullification’ Crisis (Interview: John Daniel Davidson)

• Assertive Enforcement Amid Protest

  • Argues Trump must maintain laser focus on immigration, resisting left-wing/media narratives, and refusing to compromise on enforcement in the face of highly organized, insurrectionary activism.

    “This is the thing that got him elected the first time. This is what the American people voted for...There can't be any room for compromising with a radical insurgent left that is essentially imposing a nullification of federal immigration law in Minnesota.” – John Daniel Davidson (55:30)

• Interior Enforcement is Key

  • Real impact is in interior enforcement (ICE targeting illegal immigrants beyond just border crossings), coordinated with local law enforcement.

    “You can shut the border down at any time...But what do you do about the 10 million people that already got into the country? You have to send ICE out into the interior...and arrest them.” – John Daniel Davidson (64:55)

  • Calls for prosecution of businesses knowingly employing illegal immigrants.

• Pushback on Amnesty/‘Immigration Reform’

  • The show fiercely resists new calls for “immigration reform,” framing these as code for “amnesty” and “treason.”

    “The way you cut the Gordian knot is you make a really public example of businesses who’ve egregiously been hiring illegals...then those employees self deport out of the country.” – John Daniel Davidson (67:13)

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6. America’s Christian Roots and National Identity (Guest: Eric Metaxas)

• Charlie Kirk’s Views on Christian Foundation
  • Extended homage to Charlie Kirk’s enduring message: a robust nation-state depends on Christian principles.

    “You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.” – Charlie Kirk (via clip), (76:08)

  • Eric Metaxas and panel elaborate that America was founded by Christians, on biblical principles—countering “deist” revisionist claims.

    “There is no doubt. There is no America, period, without Christian faith...They saw the world through a biblical lens.” – Eric Metaxas (78:44)

• Call for National Reflection
  • Metaxas issues a plea for spiritual reawakening, arguing America’s constitution and success are inseparable from the Christian faith.

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7. Cultural Commentary, Seinfeld & Humor

• Seinfeld as Cultural Commentary
  • The last segment shifts to lighter fare: reminiscences about Seinfeld’s comedic genius, jokes about “Tuesdays having no feel”, and how 1990s sitcoms lampooned early forms of virtue signaling.

    “What comedy is is truth telling. The reason we find it funny is because, like—yep, exactly.” – Blake (91:30)

  • Jerry Seinfeld’s recent Duke speech is played, defending “privilege” and mocking woke attitudes.

    “My point is we're embarrassed about things we should be proud of and proud of things we should be embarrassed about.” – Jerry Seinfeld (92:17)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “If our leaders are intentionally creating and encouraging violence and fear, then I hope...we need new leaders because these are not leaders.” – Blake & Terrence Bates (00:25)

• “If this is true, this is not the way. It's not okay. People should be able to deliver remarks...without fearing for their lives.” – Andrew, on the Omar incident (07:07, 09:58)

• “You cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.” – Charlie Kirk (via audio clip) (78:08)

• “There is no doubt. There is no America, period, without Christian faith...They saw the world through a biblical lens.” – Eric Metaxas (78:44)

• “I want Stephen Miller to be the number one in the Nuremberg trials...” – (Quoting hostile rhetoric), rejected by hosts (01:10, 39:56)

• “You can shut the border down at any time...But what do you do about the 10 million people that already got into the country? You have to send ICE out into the interior...” – John Daniel Davidson (64:55)

• “It is not possible unless the people get that. If the people aren't tuned into this, it's not going to work.” – Eric Metaxas (82:50)

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Major Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Description | |-----------|---------|-------------| | 00:25 | Opening / Leaders & Violence | Debate over current leadership, violence, and the Minneapolis police shooting. | | 07:07 | Ilhan Omar Attack | Detailed account, skepticism, and condemnation of violence. | | 12:14 | Minneapolis Fallout | On Stephen Miller, messaging, and team unity. | | 17:20 | Team Analogy | Football/sports metaphor for conservative unity (Trump admin). | | 27:58 | Kelly Loeffler Interview | Breaking: SBA’s 8A fraud, anti-DEI, anti-race-based contracting. | | 36:16 | CA Wildfires | Update on disaster relief & state–federal clashes. | | 52:51 | John Daniel Davidson Interview | Immigration, narrative battles, risks of backing down. | | 55:30 | Immigration Focus | Why Trump must remain uncompromising on immigration. | | 64:55 | Interior Enforcement | How deportation policy works, why it’s key. | | 78:08 | Christian Heritage | Charlie Kirk’s foundational clip; extended discussion with Metaxas. | | 91:42 | Seinfeld Clips | Comic relief—Seinfeld reflects on privilege and cultural trends. |

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Conclusion & Tone

This jam-packed episode blends grave seriousness—condemning political violence, government corruption, and border chaos—with optimistic calls for unity, faith, and personal responsibility. A recurring theme is team spirit: setbacks are temporary, mistakes forgivable, as long as the movement preserves “truth,” faith, and focus on core issues like law enforcement integrity, border security, and the maintenance of America’s Christian-inspired civic order.

The tone is fiery, unapologetic, and at times combative, but also laced with humor and camaraderie, especially in the final third. Memorial tributes to Charlie Kirk and his mission suffuse the show with reverence and inspiration.

If you missed it: there was breaking news on SBA fraud, analysis of major immigration policy battles, a primer on America’s Christian foundations, and a reaffirmation of the conservative cause as both a practical and spiritual movement.

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Transcript

[Andrew]

This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Blake]

If our leaders are intentionally creating and.

[Terrence Bates]

Encouraging violence and fear, then I hope.

[Blake]

You will also agree we need new.

[Terrence Bates]

Leaders because these are not leaders.

[Andrew]

And to the people of Minneapolis, to.

[Terrence Bates]

The Freddy family and the good family and these people who were looking out for their neighbors, we want you to know that we are with you and you are not alone. I'll tell you another thing. We also want to see those Epstein files read.

[John Daniel Davidson]

I think we can all agree, guys.

[Andrew]

Now.

[Terrence Bates]

You know, I. I almost tweeted this today. And I know I'll get canceled for saying this.

[Andrew]

I know I'm gonna get in trouble. I want Stephen Miller to be the number one in the Nuremberg trials. When this is done. When this is done, I want Stephen.

[Blake]

Miller to be the first one who.

[Andrew]

Is tried and convicted and dangles because.

[Blake]

He is the sole executive that runs.

[Andrew]

All this DHS ICE stuff, the Eishtopo. Hi, this is Elliot Forhan, candidate for Ohio Attorney General. I am going to kill Donald Trump.

[John Daniel Davidson]

I mean, I'm going to obtain a.

[Andrew]

Conviction rendered by a jury of his peers at a standard of proof beyond a reasonable doubt based on evidence presented at a trial conducted in accordance with.

[John Daniel Davidson]

The requirements of due process, resulting in.

[Andrew]

A sentence, duly executed, of capital punishment.

[John Daniel Davidson]

That is what I mean.

[Andrew]

The message is out that Tom Homan is in.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah.

[Blake]

Commander Bovino is supposedly leaving Minneapolis along.

[Andrew]

With some CBP agency. Is this a pullback?

[Kelly Loeffler]

I don't think it's a pullback. It's a little bit of a change. Everybody in this room that has a business, you know, you make little changes. You know, Bavina is very good, but he's a pretty out there kind of a guy. And in some cases, that's good. Maybe it wasn't good here.

[Eric Metaxas]

I would beat the out of him now if I could, and I would call that out. I mean, that's just different in verbally going at it.

[Andrew]

My argument is much better in making the case that housing prices are up.

[Eric Metaxas]

Because of immigration and that we should build on federal lands.

[John Daniel Davidson]

It was such a crazy thing.

[Andrew]

But then when I watched him, I got sucked into that.

[Eric Metaxas]

And if you remember, this was right in that moment of eating dogs and cats. I took that bait and thought that that was the argument of how outrageous it was. That was not the argument.

[John Daniel Davidson]

And he said that your cops are liars.

[Andrew]

He said that the problem.

[Eric Metaxas]

They all did. That's exactly right. That this is the problem with them. And, well, the president said it, that we told him to Stand down. Do you think they would do that? Do you think that police would not protect citizens?

[Andrew]

No matter if I'm like, oh, don't do this.

[Eric Metaxas]

But yes.

[Andrew]

Well, this is the whole paradox with these guys.

[Kelly Loeffler]

But I had two very good talks. I had Jacob Fry and I had Governor Waltz. And I mean, they were. They were great calls. So let's see how they reported. But they were very nice girls, very respectful. What we need is their criminals. You know, they have criminals and all. I said, just give us your criminals. And if you give us the criminals, it all goes away. They're there to pick up murders. I don't know if you saw, but it was a couple of days ago, announced that crime is the lowest in the history of our country, the recorded history of our country. That's a big statement. That's because of us. That's because we go into cities and towns. Usually we're embraced. Sometimes when Chicago is like pulling teeth with Pritzker and with the mayor, the mayor of Chicago, low IQ person. And usually we're embraced, but sometimes we're not. And when we're not, it just makes it harder. We want safe cities. Whether it's. If we, you know, we took a lot of the bad, the crime out of there. We want safe cities and states. We want a safe country. And again, we just got a report done by Democrats that the country is the safest ever recorded right now. And I'm going around because hopefully we win the midterms. And it's very scary because, like, it's two out of 50 years or something like that, for some reason, when a president wins, Republican or Democrat, even if they're a good president, and hopefully I'm a great president based on the first year, I'm a good president. And we had a great first term, too. People don't. We rebuilt our military. We had phenomenal financial numbers. But I think this term is blowing away, really, every term. There's something psychological. If you win the press and whether you're Republican or Democrat, with that being said, the polls look very good. Everything looks very good.

[Eric Metaxas]

Every day is a battle for your.

[Andrew]

Mind Raging information coming from every angle.

[Eric Metaxas]

With the will to deceive Fear not.

[Andrew]

You found the place for truth the.

[Eric Metaxas]

Voice of a generation that still has.

[Andrew]

The will to believe in the greatest.

[Eric Metaxas]

Country in the history of the world.

[Andrew]

This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is January 28, 2026. We're at the Bitcoin.com studio right here. In Phoenix, Arizona, Blake, how you doing? How we doing this morning? For those who don't personally know Blake.

[John Daniel Davidson]

That'S usually my answer to that question.

[Andrew]

Basically, Blake will absolutely rip your heart out. In the morning when you come in, you'll be like, hey, Blake, good morning. How you doing? He's like, how you doing? You want to feel good? President Trump's talking about the Trump accounts, which is a big thing. Charlie loved those. And we've got some announcements even on the turning point side coming soon on those. Those are a great way to make sure young people have skin in the game. You got Michael dell donating over $6 billion. Every child in America gets $250 in their Trump account. So if you have family members, make sure they're taking advantage of that, invest in it, pour into it. By the time a young person is 18, 21, they could have hundreds of thousands of dollars in that account. Yeah, huge. Huge. And having skin in the game, a stake in the economy is a huge way to make sure the next generation doesn't become radicalized. And so I want to give a shout out to the president there and the team. It's great piece that was inside the one big beautiful bill. All right, I want to get to a couple things here right off, off the top, we've got a jam packed show. So you're going to want to stay tuned for the entire thing. Lots of amazing guests. Kelly Leffler's coming in with 8A. We've got Eric Metaxas now or two, John Daniel Davidson from the Federalist also coming on. But first up, Ilhan Omar was sprayed last night. She was attacked or at least approached. And the Internet's losing its mind. And I just want to say a couple of things. I know we have the video here. Go ahead and play that in the background if you want. So she's giving a speech in Minneapolis. She makes a comment that Kristi Noem should be should resign or face impeachment. This gentleman comes up with a syringe, sprays her with an unknown substance, is tackled by security and subdued. Ilhan Omar would go on to continue and complete her remarks. Now, everybody on the Internet thinks this is fake and staged. Here's what I would say. And there's, you know, they're digging into his children. He has a left wing child. His neighbors say he's conservative. Everybody says it's fake and staged. I just want to be really clear that if this is true, which I have no reason to believe it's not other than, you know, jussie Smollett, we've been through this before. I understand people's hesitancy to believe it, but if it's true, this is not the way. It's not okay. People should be able to deliver remarks. Elected a leader should be able to deliver remarks, you know, in public without fearing for their lives, without fearing for their safety. So I just think we need to say that now. If it comes out that it is fake, that it is staged, then I will be the first to jump on that bandwagon and condemn it.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Really funny.

[John Daniel Davidson]

If it was staged, it was like Jussie Smollett was very funny. But it's also very evil because as. As Charlie once said, like, when you do kind of a fake hate crime, as it were, that's like the actual real hate crime when you're doing something just to stoke animosity and hatred against a group. If you do something like this to make conservatives look bad, to make white men look bad as a provocation, that's an incredibly evil thing. And it frankly should be punished far more severely.

[Andrew]

I totally agree with that. Jussie Smollett should have been.

[John Daniel Davidson]

The New York Post, for example, is not a liberal publication. They've investigated this and they at least found a neighbor who said, this guy didn't talk a lot, but he did seem to share. He seemed to be a President Trump supporter. Shared anti Omar stuff, didn't like her, and they got it. Other stuff, he apparently had medical issues, so that could have been affecting his mental state.

[Andrew]

Mental state. Yeah. So, yeah. And so let's play the clip right after this happened. She's asked if she's okay. 369. Representative Omar, are you okay? You know, I'm going to go figure if I am, but I feel okay. I feel that it is important for people, whether they are in elected office, to allow these people to intimidate us, to make us not fight for our constituents and for the country we love. And as I said, you know, I've survived war, and I'm definitely going to survive intimidation and whatever these people think they can throw at me because I'm built that way.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Thank you.

[Andrew]

And I just would say, again, I condemn it in the strongest possible terms if this is proven to be authentic, which, again, I have no reason to believe it's not, other than we've been through this with Jussie Smollett. But my goodness. And I have my issues with Ilhan Omar. She is the least sympathetic political figure, probably at least in the top five in the United States. And I couldn't help but remember what she said about Charlie. So I'm gonna play that clip. I just feel like we should. 390. What I find jarring is that there are so many people willing to excuse the most reprehensible things that he said, that they agree with that, that they're willing to have monuments for him, that they want to create a day to honor him, and that they want to produce resolutions in the House of Congress honoring his life and legacy. It is one thing to care about his life because obviously so many people loved him, including his children and wife. But I am not going to sit here and be judged for not wanting to honor any legacy this man has left behind. That should be in the dustpin of history and we should hopefully move on and forget the hate that he spewed every single day.

[John Daniel Davidson]

It is reprehensible. She's lived here since 1995.

[Andrew]

Pin of history dustpin. Yeah. And so, like, you know, don't attack people. Don't rush them on stage in general. You make everybody look bad when you do that. But my basic feeling on this is she's okay. I don't know what the substance was. They haven't released it. So, you know, that's a question. Why haven't they released it? They sent a forensic analyst to forensic scientists to analyze the substance. And we don't know. So that's. That's where I'm at. All right, don't do that. Please don't do that.

[John Daniel Davidson]

But don't fall for any dumb psyops about this stuff. Like, there are loons in politics. They do things you don't. You're not going to overact to a guy who throws something on a politician at an event.

[Andrew]

Fair enough. Yeah. So in other news, I want to pivot here really quick. So the Daily Beast has got a piece up here. Stephen Miller is being sidelined after he was reportedly shut out of a closed door White House meeting following the killing of Alex Preddy. I have checked in on this. This is completely and utterly untrue. Okay, so the speculation is basically that Christy Noemi, Stephen Miller, Greg Pavino, that they are all being sidelined because of a messaging blunder following the shooting death of Alex Preddy, where they said that he was going to do maximal damage, that he was going to massacre people. We don't have reason to believe that that's necessarily true, nor do I think the video substantiates that interpretation of events. We don't know that it's untrue. But I do believe that the messaging was a, was a, was unhelpful in the immediate aftermath. A more cautious approach, a more, hey, we're going to investigate the shooting and the details would have probably been more appropriate in that moment. You would agree with that.

[John Daniel Davidson]

It's just their impulse. It shows how we've improved on a lot of our messaging because there was so often this bizarre automatic conservative impulse to disavow and freak out and have a panic attack. And now much more often, the first impulse is defend and concede nothing. That's often a lesson people would take from President Trump's success because he's very much a kind of never, never really apologize guy. Never, never give an inch. But on this one, it does seem to have not been the right approach.

[Andrew]

But okay, yeah, exactly. That's my take. We've, I say it again, I'll say it again. We've building up antibodies to some of these mistakes that have been made in the past. Now, all right, when you don't have all the facts, just take up a little bit more of a neutral tone, that's the correction. Okay, let's be honest here.

[John Daniel Davidson]

So they did wrong messaging on a controversial story over the weekend. We have people in Washington who screwed up and invaded Iraq, who overthrew a government in Libya, who've done regime change wars that have killed tens of thousands of people and have been a complete mistake and have faced zero consequences for it. The way you think that the people who are at the FBI have never screwed anything up and then just continue to rise up. People at the CIA have never screwed up and just had their careers completely untouched. Washington is full of people who face zero accountability for the biggest screw ups ever.

[Andrew]

And the selective outrage is deafening. We'll get into that next. We'll be right back.

[Kelly Loeffler]

All right.

[Andrew]

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[John Daniel Davidson]

I like the false start analogy in particular because I think let's really dig into this football analogy. So most of you are probably familiar with it. You know, there's a lot of positions, let's imagine the Trump administration football team. It's pretty obvious who the quarterback is. And then you have positions on a football team that are more high profile, that are a little more flashy. You have wide receivers, you have running backs. They, you know, make these big plays. They give a lot of interviews, they get a lot of magazine covers. But football experts will tell you they're often like the most important players on a team. After the quarterback are the lines, just the offensive linemen?

[Andrew]

Totally.

[John Daniel Davidson]

And anyone who's a fan of the Cincinnati Bengals or some other perennial teams will tell you your quarterback falls apart if your line is bad. And linemen, they aren't famous, they don't get a lot of attention. They're much more just in the trenches every day. And as you know, sometimes they screw up, they get false starts, they get chop block penalties, stuff like that. But you need them absolutely out there every day grinding it out. And Stephen Miller, especially within the Trump administration, is one of those grind it out guys. He's been around with the campaign from the start, basically, I think. Did he, was he on them from 2015 onwards? Yeah. And so he's been there that whole time. He's never been a big TV guy. He's on there occasionally, but that's never been his main flashy attention getting. He's never been this attention getter. He's always just been this guy who's in the administration grinding it out to get the results of what the President ran on. He is a result scout.

[Andrew]

To your point though, the Trump administration is one giant team. They're striving for a common goal, just like a football team. They're all doing their job. They're blocking, they're tackling, they're running the ball. We got a quarterback in President Trump's. Sometimes we might not get a first down, sometimes we might have to punt. But this administration has been scoring all year long. It's been scoring touchdowns. And I want to, I want to remind you of the most famous of all comebacks because it's important. We gotta rally the truth, There's a bunch of the team members right there. The most famous example of a sports athlete coming back from behind is Super Bowl 51 and Tom Brady. The New England Patriots trailed the Atlanta Falcons 28 to 3 late in the third quarter and then 28 to 9 entering the fourth quarter. Brady had a rough start overall in the first half and into the third, he threw an interception, returned for a touchdown. The offense stalled repeatedly and the Patriots look completely outmatched. Fans and analysts, they thought the game was over. I deficit being the largest in super bowl history at that point, it was the largest Super Bowl.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Dude, you're going to lose this, Georgia, the way you're really laying here.

[Andrew]

Brady engineered an epic comeback. He Led the Patriots on multiple scoring drives in the fourth quarter, including a game tying drive capped by a miraculous Julian Edelman catch. The game went into overtime, and the Patriots ended up winning Super Bowl 51, 34 to 28. Brady, who had the most terrible first half you can imagine, ended up with 466 passing yards and two touchdowns, and he was named Super Bowl MVP.

[John Daniel Davidson]

You know, one of the other great parts about this was this happened right after the 2016 election. And the left, for whatever reason, decided to go in on this as some sort of proxy for politics because the Patriots owner was pro Trump. Bill Belichick was pro Trump. He actually wrote.

[Andrew]

Tom Brady was.

[John Daniel Davidson]

He wrote a letter. Bill Belichick. This is a true story. He wrote a letter endorsing Trump. And then they asked, oh, this is great. Can we, like, release this publicly? And he goes, oh, you want it to go public? Here, let me rewrite the letter to be more positive. Speaking of which, he was. They kept him out of the hall of Fame on the first ballot yesterday.

[Andrew]

So that was, I know, egregious. Now they're wondering if Tom Brady's going to be kept out in the first ball, which would be obscene.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Obscene. Disgusting, anyway. But, yeah, so they made this. All the left chose to do this. And then they were like, well, Atlanta is the city that was very anti Trump. And so this is the chance, like, to get a psychological win. And then the Patriots went and did this.

[Andrew]

Well, and here's the thing. The, the Patriots, this remains the biggest comeback ever in super bowl history. And you could see Tom Brady there emotional, because nobody thought that they could pull this off. And I want everybody out there to remember that you are part of a team. So before you snipe at Stephen Miller or Greg Bevino or Kristi Noem or President Trump, listen, some of them might get sidelined. Some of them might get replaced. You know, we might have to go to the free agency and pick up some new terrorists.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Political acl.

[Andrew]

Yes, they're political acl. Some might have false starts, some might get flags thrown on them. But we are in this together, and we are putting up wins. And in my lifetime, I have never seen a team pulling in the same direction this capable, this competent, this energetic. Don't forget all the things that we've accomplished. We've got Pete Hegseth as our Secretary of War. We've got Lee Zeldin at the epa. We've got Scott Besant at Treasury. We've got a lot of all star players. Marco Rubio at state, J.D. vance is the vice president. We are crushing it in so many ways. And yes, there have been false starts. Yes, some of the communications on Preddy were not helpful. Let's be honest. But we are deporting people. We have the lowest level of immigration we've had in decades and we're getting the criminals out. Crime is at an all time low. There's a lot to be grateful for. The team is scoring. Let's be a part of that team. Be positive. Kelly Loeffler joins us next.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Kelly Loeffler]

For the first time ever, we're going to give every newborn American child a financial stake in the future, head start at life and a fair shot at the American dream with the support of the men and women here in this beautiful room over the next 15 years. We're going to put 3 to 4 trillion dollars of wealth into the hands of young Americans who otherwise would to have really started out with nothing. It's really an amazing thing because it gives young children that start out with really nothing. And what gives them, boy, it's more money than anybody could imagine.

[Eric Metaxas]

This movement will not be silenced.

[Andrew]

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[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah, you got it. Look, first of all, it's such an honor to join y' all in person. I'm excited to say that we're Breaking this news here on your show today. The eight government program for federal contracting is a government wide, socially and economically disadvantaged federal program that expanded massively under the Biden administration to support their favored minority groups. Essentially, they expanded it by 2,000 participants during four years. What we saw going on in that program was discriminating against white small business owners. So what we did was we called for an audit. Last year, we started conducting that audit and we saw lots of waste, fraud and abuse. And so by the end of the year, we had demanded three months of financial documents. What came back out of the 4,300 firms that the Biden administration had expanded to was 1,091 firms did not submit records. Those firms were qualified and received $5 billion under the Biden administration in contracts. I mean, this is Somalia level fraud. And so we're investigating that further and we still have our 15 year look back audit going on. Meanwhile, we've made very clear we are not going to discriminate based on race in this program. And so we ended that, though, on day one last year.

[Andrew]

Wow. So, just to reiterate, the SBA has announced the suspension of 1,091 firms from the 8A business development program that Joe Biden, the Biden administration had ramped up, which was basically discrimination against white firms. Any, you know, this was special groups were getting special consideration, and there was a lot of fraud in this. And so you asked them in December to send documentation to prove the most basic audit possible, and they failed. So you ordered all 4,300 firms to submit basic documentation, documentation to prove their legitimacy as part of Trump's SBA's longstanding effort to root out small business contracting abuse by PASS and shell companies. Can you hone in on that particular piece? The pass through and shell company aspect of this? This is a big, big story.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah. So 50 years ago, this program came into being in law under the Carter administration. And since then, there has never been an audit of what is a program that is designed to let economically and socially disadvantages compete on a level playing field for federal contracts. I grew up in a farm, a farm community, a small town. There are folks that are outside the D.C. beltway, the beltway bandits, who are using a DEI situation to hide behind them. Millionaires who are then saying that they're small businesses and they're taking multimillion dollar contracts away from deserving small businesses. And particularly under the Biden administration, if you were a white business owner, you probably didn't even qualify to come into the program. That process is unconstitutional. In fact, the tracking metrics for who came into eight did not even include a classification for white. That's why when I came in on day one, we restored the 5% statutory requirement from 15 that Biden had arbitrarily expanded it to. That's why the program grew to 40 billion last year under Biden. So we're resetting the table to say we are not doing this on race. You can't get in because of race and you're not going to be barred from it because of race.

[Andrew]

Yeah. This is such a prime example of how much bloat and fraud and just garbage gets stuffed in when you have a six, six and a half trillion dollar federal budget and you just found a $40 billion line item or even.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Just the 5 billion. I went and I looked it up. How many people? $5 billion. That is the average lifetime tax payments of 10,000 people. So 10,000 people, you just strike that. You know, 5 billion almost sounds like a tiny amount of money because of how big. Everything's gone. Yet thousands of people were having their entire life's work poured into this sort of nonsense.

[Andrew]

One year of fraud.

[Kelly Loeffler]

You're exactly right. And that's how I think about it, Blake, because I'm on Main street every week across this. I've already been in 10 states this year. When I meet face to face with a small business owner, I see that the risk they're taking to build their business, the sacrifice they're making their families to create jobs, to invest in Main Streets and to know that their hard earned tax dollars are being shuffled off to DEI programs is absolutely infuriating. So that's why we came in though. The Trump administration from day one has been cracking down on this program, reorganizing around audits that we're doing and what we're finding and making sure that Main Street America has access to programs not supporting dei, but supporting deserving small business owners.

[John Daniel Davidson]

So a natural follow up question to that. You found a thousand firms that are not filing the right paperwork. They seem to have been improperly certified. Do we have evidence of further criminal behavior and is their progress towards that going to DOJ or whoever would be needed to investigate, potentially prosecute that?

[Kelly Loeffler]

Excellent question. So there's two parts of the audit underway. We are first doing a 15 year look back again. The program in its 50 year history has never been audited. We are auditing everything in the program from federal contracting employees to the contracts itself do. DOJ is already prosecuting hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud and bribery in the program. So we're looking at it at that level. But then the 4300 firms that we requested financial statements from, we're going through those to make sure that they're not going to shell and pass through companies where you have a DEI front standing in front of a multimillion dollar business that's taking a deserving small business. So, yeah, so there could be further criminal investigations. Right now. These individuals, these, these firms are not eligible to participate in small business contracting. And it's important because the SBA sets the standard across the federal government. The Department of War, Department of Treasury, GSA has joined us in our audit because this goes on across the federal government. And we know that we need to set a standard that bars any discrimination, particularly of white owned firms, because it was going on under the Biden administration.

[Andrew]

So, Administrator Lefler, in the previous segment, we used a sports analogy. We said we're all part of a team. And listen, sometimes your team members get called for a foul, sometimes they, you know, false start, whatever. You get 15 yard penalty, 5 yard penalty. But we're all, we're marching down the field in the same direction. We're doing it together, you know, and I just think this is great because sometimes we get distracted by, oh, we're upset about something that happened in Minneapolis. Minneapolis, or sometimes we don't think there's enough prosecutions. But this is a prime example of somebody, you at the SBA that's putting up billion dollar wins on behalf of the American people and getting rid of some of this entrenched stuff that's just been there for years or that was exacerbated under the Biden administration and that we're setting right in front of your eyes. This is amazing, amazing progress that will not get front page headlines necessarily, but it's a huge win for the American people. I want. You're also doing, you're also gonna make some other news here, I believe. This morning President Trump was talking about Trump accounts. He ends up referring to Lee Zeldin at the epa. And he basically says, you know, everything that's been happening in California is terrible. These homes were burned down in the Palisades, some of the richest homes, most beautiful homes in the country. And so President Trump says EPA chief Lee Zeldin will be in charge of federal permitting to override local California wildfires. The rebuild there. And you guys have a role to play here at the sba. Tell us about it.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah, this is critically important. Look, Gavin Newsom created a disaster in California, a twin Disaster, not just the disaster of the fires where the president came to the rescue and getting water to the fires his first week in office. But the lies that this administration under Gavin Newsom and Karen Bass have perpetuated about rebuilding in California. Look, there's no rebuilding going on. They may have issued thousands of permits, but one house might need a dozen, two dozen permits. So there's been about a dozen houses built. What the SBA has done is put out $3.2 billion, over 50% of the entire disaster recovery effort in the entire country and very little, 25% has been pulled down. So we're going to partnering with Administrator Zeldin Lee and I will be back out in California making sure residents know that we are fast tracking now the ability to rebuild finally, because look, 75% of those folks are in temporary housing. 50% have severe economic harm caused to them as a result of this. And the California state and local officials have done nothing but obstruct the ability to rebuild. And President Trump is creating that on ramp to get those houses back up, get families back in their homes. Small businesses stood back up because local officials aren't fighting for their own people.

[Andrew]

Well, and by the way, California officials were trying to zone some of that burn area for, you know, I think it was like low income housing. And if you know anything about the Palisades, this is one of the best, most beautiful historically neighborhoods in all of Southern California. And so you're just going to go plop some low income housing in the middle of that? No, thank you. So Trump, Trump is going to override that as well. And I can just tell you this is huge. As somebody who's lived in Southern California and has dealt with the permitting process in Southern California, it's abysmal. It is absolutely frightening. And the fact that these people didn't just get fast tracked right away from the state of California is a travesty. So thank you, Administrator Loeffler, for stepping up here and helping them. They don't vote for Trump down there. They're probably still gonna vote Democrats. But he's the president of all Americans and I think it's a wonderful thing what you guys are doing. So God bless you. Thank you for the updates and for making some news right here on the Charlie Kirk Show. God bless you.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Thanks, Andrew. Thanks, Blake.

[Andrew]

All right, we'll be right back. Foreign. Welcome back to CHARLIE KIRK show. I have to, we have to hit this story because we, we mentioned Stephen Miller before and these, these unhinged clips. So Rick Wilson is A complete lunatic. Lincoln project, all of this stuff. Former Republican, whatever. He's calling for the execution of Stephen Miller. They're trying to get Stephen Miller killed. That's what they're trying to do. And now, by the way, they're going to justify it emotionally because of Renee Good and because of Preddy in Minneapolis. Even though these people should have never been anywhere near these law enforcement operations. That doesn't matter to them. And that's by the way. That's why it's hard to get outraged when they die. I think it's a tragedy. I don't want anybody to die. But you should not be obstructing and harassing law enforcement officials. So when bad things happen, listen, what are we to do? 365.

[Terrence Bates]

I almost tweeted this today.

[Andrew]

And I know I get canceled for saying this. I know I'm going to get in trouble. I want Stephen Miller to be the number one in the Nuremberg trials. When this is done, when this is done, I want Stephen Miller to be.

[Blake]

The first one who is tried and convicted and dangles.

[Andrew]

He wants Stephen Miller to dangle. He wants him to be hung. But it doesn't stop there. That's not the only unhinged lunatic that's going on social media. Oh, and by the way, they're bragging, I know I'm gonna get canceled. No, you know, nothing's gonna happen because.

[John Daniel Davidson]

They didn't even get canceled. Lincoln Project, which was basically like a giant criminal grift.

[Andrew]

And by the way, there's a bunch of them that had.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Oh, and weird sexual deviance. Every weirdo in like the Never Trump movement joined the Lincoln Project.

[Andrew]

Journalist Kara Swisher. Call her a journalist. I'm not going to call her journalist. That's how it's labeled on the clip. Sheep. She's not a journalist. She's an activist. She says the same thing. 366 and I would last like to call out Stephen Miller who is in.

[Kelly Loeffler]

The center of this.

[Andrew]

We always focus on Trump as we often focus on the top people. But Stephen Miller, like a man named.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Ben Datson, he was the one who.

[Andrew]

Created the internment camps for Japanese Heinrich Himmler in the, in the, in the Nazi regime. This is what he is. And he, he, he, of course Trump gets the most. The blame being the top at the top. But people like Stephen Miller will go down in history as evil has blood on his hands and should be jailed at the very end of this.

[Kelly Loeffler]

And you're absolutely right.

[Andrew]

Do you see what they're doing? So set it all up very gradually. They want to prosecute Stephen Miller after President Trump is out of office. They do. This is one of the reasons why it's so critically important that we win the midterms because they're going to bog down everything with these investigations. And by the way, there was an update yesterday out of Virginia that apparently the old maps are going to hold for 2026.

[John Daniel Davidson]

That's good.

[Andrew]

It's a first court ruling. I think it goes up to the Supreme Court now. But they are basically. It was the process through which they went was not timed right, was not according to.

[John Daniel Davidson]

From what I've seen, it really is legally indefensible to rule any other way because there's like for what they were doing, you need three months of notice. And they had four days of notice. And that's just. But who knows? It's a live state.

[Andrew]

You can live in constitutions, but never nevertheless, we. They are going to try and imprison. They might try and imprison us. They might come after turning Point again. They spied on us.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Might have a lot of time to get some reading done.

[Andrew]

Charlie was obviously dragged before the J6 committee. The amount of legal bills alone is insane. Governor Gavin Newsom got in on the act. Stephen Miller is directly responsible, he said in a tweet, for the deaths, violence and chaos from Trump administration's lawless, violent rampage across America. He must be fired and held accountable. With this code red. We've got the image here, Code Red in the United States of America with Stephen Miller's face in this blood red.

[John Daniel Davidson]

But. But, you know, it's easy to hit the big names. But the scariest one for me that we've seen, I think three or four cases of this by now is the rank and file people who clearly fantasize, or maybe not maybe actually do actual. They want to do harm to other people, possibly in secret. So we've had this staffer at Virginia Commonwealth University, which you had the clip there and then you deleted it.

[Andrew]

367.

[John Daniel Davidson]

All right, let's play that.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Sabotage tactic.

[Andrew]

Or at least scare tactic.

[Kelly Loeffler]

All the medical providers grab some syringes with needles on the end, have them.

[Andrew]

Full of saline or succinylcholine, you know, whatever, whatever.

[Kelly Loeffler]

That will probably be a deterrent.

[Andrew]

Be safe. She didn't stop there, by the way. So she encourages women to go on dates with agents and drug their food. 368.

[Kelly Loeffler]

The single ladies where these ice guys are going have a chance to do something.

[Andrew]

You know, not without risk, but.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Could Help the cause for sure. Get on Tinder, get on Hinge. Find these guys. They're around. They're an ICE agent. Bring some Ex Lax and put it in drinks. Get them sick. Easily deniable. You know you could get sick too. I'm just saying.

[Andrew]

So this is a clearly unhinged, unwell mentally ill person who is a. Was a nurse. But this story has a happy ending. I am exceedingly joyful to say. They're up. 373 VCU and anti ice nurse fired after referencing paralytic drug and video instructing sabotage of ICE agents. And the university put out a statement. We prioritize the health and safety of anyone who comes to us for care. We are aware of a series of videos that appear to have been posted by an individual confirmed to be an employee of our health system. The content of the videos is highly inappropriate and does not reflect the integrity and values of our health system. And so she's been fired.

[John Daniel Davidson]

So it's, it's very ominous because you know there are dumb people who will do this for attention but there are people who are out there who will be smart enough to not make a TikTok video about it, to not post it on Instagram, to not brag about these things publicly but may still feel the same way. And you really have to come down hard on this because this is a lot. It's sort of like the same reason you should punish political assassination so harshly. This is not merely an attack on an individual. It is an attack on the ability of society to function.

[Eric Metaxas]

If you.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Because you hold a political view or because you hold a job with the government you basically can't trust the medical system because medical employees may attempt to murder you.

[Andrew]

We have other examples of this. Throw 374 this is. And libs of TikTok want to shout out to Hal over there. She's. She's been doing a phenomenal job. Haya Did I say. What did I say? Michael Moncure I think the one who put Alex in harm's way were ice. All those agents better pray they never end up in a hospital. The nurses won't be kind. And by the way this is what we saw with Charlie. It was university professors and public school teachers and nurses.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And like doctors, they were the ones that were celebrating the most. I do not know what drives these people into these professions but it seems to be a self selecting thing and you get a lot of radicals that end up in these professions and you.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Just actually have to have a zero tolerance policy for this if you are in the medical field and you and you talk about doing this, bam, lose your license, can never get it back, period, ever again. And frankly, you should possibly go to jail, too. Just zero tolerance. You can't allow this sort of thing to happen.

[Andrew]

Now, I don't believe this individual has been fired yet. We do not know, but his name appears to be Michael Moncure, Carolina's Rehabilitation Atrium Health. We hope he loses his job immediately. Hour two coming up next. We'll be right back.

[Terrence Bates]

Terrance Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump is continuing to roll out the Trump accounts, excuse me, for America's children, during a Trump account summit that's happening in the nation's capital right now. The president, along with business and entertainment leaders touting the cooperation that's happening across the country to make these accounts a reality for newborns and young children in this country. Real America's Voice congressional correspondent Benny Ray Harmony is at today's summit and joins us live with the very latest. Benny, this really is a who's who of business and entertainment leaders. I'm just going to throw out a name for you. You can go off with this one. Nicki Minaj is there.

[American Home Shield Announcer]

Nicki Minaj, TERRENCE yes, you are spot on. So we have spoke to Kevin O' Leary today. There is no shortage, shortage of CEOs and people that are pretty big. You mean everything from people that have a lot of money that will be contributing, such as the Dell family is here as well. And it's just, it is a who's who. But Terrence, the funny thing is, so downstairs we're currently up here on the media row floor, the guests are coming and we're interviewing them. But down on the main floor, there's lots of food. And so I was actually standing right there in line, just right next to Kevin o', Leary, just, and I was like, oh, hey, I like you on Shark Tank. So it's really, it's really, really cool to get to see these types of, of I wouldn't necessarily say celebrities, but these people that have such influence in this setting and actually helping, helping create a better America and putting their effort towards politics and government and policy to really make a change. And I think that's what makes it so terrific.

[Terrence Bates]

You often hear people talk about public, public private partnership. And it sounds like this is the real public private partnership where you've got private partners, private entities putting money towards a public effort in order to make America's children That much richer, if you will.

[American Home Shield Announcer]

Yeah. And Terence, I think one of the, there's three pillars for this and it's that access to capital, financial literacy and generational wealth building. Right. And that access to capital is where things really get a bit dicey because there's only so much money to go around. Right. And so it takes, it takes people like Kevin, like the Dells, to really create access to that capital so that Americans, children can have that. And so every child, no matter their, their situations, where they're from, you know, their home life, they all get that chance to build generational wealth and build into America's future.

[Terrence Bates]

When does the signup period actually start? I believe I may have heard the July 4th is, is when this really gets underway.

[American Home Shield Announcer]

Yeah. Terrence. So this is the big freedom 250. This is America 250. The, the most, the amazing birthday. And so on July 4th is when these, you can open, enroll and you can go in and create these accounts for your children. So parents watching, mark your calendars for July 4th because that is going to be a very important day. They are starting to get it operational. Terrence parents. But July 4th will be that big kickoff. So mark your calendars. All children born between 2025 and 2028 have a chance to get this money and to create and start creating wealth.

[Terrence Bates]

Benny, before I let you go, let's get to dollars and cents. So July 4th is when the signup period starts. And it's my understanding that parents will get a thousand dollars, pretty much free money, if you will, from the government to start the accounts and then they can contribute on up to $5,000.

[American Home Shield Announcer]

Yep, Terrence, that's exactly right. So every one of these accounts that is started between 2025, 2028, they will get that one time federal fund of $1,000. Now this, that is that nest egg in there. And now throughout each year, parents, relatives, your employer, they can actually put in there up to $5,000 a year. And I don't have it right here in front of me, but on the sheet that the Trump administration gave us, it showed how much you can see your money grow. You know, starting with if you do five, $5,000 a year, by the time that kid is 18, they're going to be near $1 million in that savings account just because of the deterred taxes, you know, just how special this money and these accounts are. It doesn't, it's just going to sit in there and build, basically. I can't necessarily find the words, as you can see right now, but compound wealth, that is what it's about. And I asked Kevin Leary and he said, he said, don't touch it. He said, parents, don't touch this money when it goes into that account. Leave it there. And by the time your kid is 18, they'll be good to go.

[Terrence Bates]

Benny Ray Harmony reporting live for us this afternoon. We appreciate.

[Andrew]

All right, welcome. Hour two of the Charlie Kirk SHOW is underway. We are joined by one of my favorite thinkers, writers, journalists. That is John Daniel Davidson, who's been on the show a number of times. And yes, we are at the Bitcoin.com studios here in Phoenix, Arizona. Your one home, your one stop shop to buy, sell and trade bitcoin. Check them out. Bitcoin.com John Daniel Davidson, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to see you.

[Eric Metaxas]

Hey, thanks for having me.

[Andrew]

So you and I were chatting because, you know, we're reacting to what's going on in Minneapolis. And I think you share my perspective here that this is not the time where the administration can blink. This is not a time where we can bend the knee or back down. Please explain why you feel that way and what you're seeing.

[Eric Metaxas]

One of the main things I think that we're all seeing is this narrative shift. And we're seeing the Trump administration and the president respond to a narrative frame that's really being set by the Democrats and by the left and by the leaders in Minneapolis, in some cases leaders of what looks to be sort of an organized insurrection, anarcho tyranny. And instead of imposing the narrat that is the administration's policy that Trump was elected on to enforce our immigration laws, to effectuate mass deportations of the millions of people that were let in during the Biden administration. You now have the president having to respond to these oftentimes disingenuous or distorted questions from the press. He's accepting the frame that there's been, you know, errors made in the enforcement of immigration law, that somehow these agitators and rioters in Minneapolis are legitimate, that their tactics in disrupting law enforcement are legitimate. And we're seeing him respond even in terms of personnel and some policy statements as well. I think it may be too soon to say that there's actually been a change in what those ICE agents are doing on the ground. But certainly from the perceptive point of the media and of us who are watching it from afar and online, it appears to be that Trump has blinked and that he is retreating, at least rhetorically. And I find that very disturbing.

[Andrew]

Blake. Oh, I thought you had a follow up. Blake, I didn't mean to leave you hanging.

[John Daniel Davidson]

No, no, it's just we're worried. I mean, it does. See, he seemed like he might be, but also then he's very animated this morning. He seems annoyed with Mayor Jacob Fry. So, I don't know. We've been around the block a few times with Trump. He's definitely. He's had a lot of showdowns about things. We've had policies he's pursued, policies he's backed down on, policies he's then reignited after that. There's always this give and take with President Trump. We saw that with the Greenland thing, where he seems all in on something and then it might have been a negotiation tactic. So how do you unpack maybe what the President's strategic thinking might be, John?

[Eric Metaxas]

I don't know. I honestly, I think. I think Trump is a creature of instinct and of intuition. I don't think he is a. He's a deep policy thinker. I don't. I don't think that he is super disciplined in how he approaches things. I think, you know, part of his genius is that he does operate on instinct and he does operate on intuition. And he has great intuition and great instincts, even at the level of, like, genius instincts when it comes to US Politics and leadership. But on something like this, you know, this immigration issue and the issue of deportations, this isn't one issue alongside a bunch of other issues like Greenland or Venezuela or tariffs or something. This is the issue. This is the thing that got him elected the first time. This is the thing that got him reelected the second time. This is what the American people voted for and what polls show they still say they favor in overwhelming numbers, mass deportations for all illegal immigrants. That's what he was elected to do. If he does nothing else, that's what he needs to do. And I don't think you see that kind of urgency the administration. And some of this comes down, I think, to the way administrations work, and it plays into some of Trump's weaknesses, which can be a lack of discipline, a lack of focus. One of the reasons, for example, that we saw the raid on Venezuela and the capture of Maduro is not necessarily. I don't think, and this is just a side example of what I'm talking about in terms of the dynamic. I don't think that the Maduro raid, number one priority on Trump's list, but it was on enough people's agendas inside the administration that the thing got done. And so that's the kind of push and pull that you're going to see in any administration. But I think especially in this Trump administration, when, you know, his focus isn't always laser like and he can get distracted and follow his intuition and his instincts, which is a blessing and a curse. But on immigration, this is the one thing that he does need laser like focus on. He needs everybody in his administration to be on board. There can't be any room for compromising with a radical insurgent left that is essentially imposing a nullification of federal immigration law in Minnesota. And I guarantee you, I think we're already starting to see this. This is going to spread to other cities and other states and it may become quite bad as the weather warms up in some parts of the country.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And that's been my basic operating premise here, is that you've got to squash it now in the winter in Minneapolis because spring and summer, it's gonna spread. We're already seeing it spread. By the way, John, the signal app, signal chats. Right. That we've now discovered were an organizing point focus for a lot of these activists have now been. They're being used in Portland, they're being used in Los Angeles. So this is going to spread. Somebody is training people how to do this, how to organize them, and there's a lot of data behind it. A lot of it's automated, A lot of it's being linked directly to Airtable. So that's a sort of a database app that you can use. Pretty user friendly. But I do just want to make one point here. And we had this graphic up just a second ago. This is Kyle Kalinsky was absolutely freaking out yesterday. He said major breaking Trump regime is increasing illegal DHS raids. That's what he calls them against protesters. That's what he calls them. In Minnesota, Bovino firing was a PR stunt to head fake de escalation. So I just, I want us, while I agree with you, John, of the all the issues we need to be laser focused on immigration, the President, President needs to be laser focused on it. Because I think viscerally this is the most winning issue in this administration because people don't like to go to Costco or the DMV or the hospital and feel like they're living in a third world country. And that's what it's become. 80% of the population growth in the United States over the last decade has come from immigration, not births. 20%. Right. But by the way, historically, even when we had a lot of immigration in the 90s early 2000s, it was 60% of growth was native born American growth. Now now that is 80% immigration. This has become untenable. And I want to just also encourage everybody. There was a big story in the New York Times yesterday that showed we are on pace for this next upcoming year. That ends, I guess it's, you know, they do it on a, on a halfway mark. So it'll end in July of 2026 for only a 321,000 new people in the country. That's down from 2.5 million in 2024 under Biden. So like the ship is moving in the right direction. We gotta, you know, correct course when we need to. And the left is freaking out. So I just want to, I want everybody to just keep, keep a center place here. And sometimes Trump is prone to head fakes, sometimes Trump is prone to operating on instinct, but things are moving in the right direction. But I completely agree with you and John, why I want to talk to you about this, because I think the message that is sent to these insurgents needs to be firm and there needs to be prosecutions. There needs to be the DOJ on the ground arresting these people. Explain that, that piece of it, because you have made a good point on your Twitter feed, on your X feed, that the interior enforcement of immigration is actually what's saving the border. It's actually what's having all these downstream effects that are positive.

[Eric Metaxas]

Yeah, that's right. So I've spent many years reporting from the border, both sides of the border. I started following this back in 2014 when the unaccompanied minors started showing up during the second Obama term and nobody understood kind of what, you know, why are these unaccompanied children showing up? And that was the first indication to me that like, well, there's something going on at the border. We don't understand. What I came to realize, which a lot of people understand now, is that it's, it was the industrialization of illegal immigration by the cartels that created a huge black market. And then under Biden, you know, we had 10 million people at least those are just the ones we know about come into the country illegally during Biden's four years in office. So when I say that where the real effects of deportation comes is interior enforcement, what I mean is you can shut the border down at any time. Like Biden could have shut the flow of illegal immigration off in five minutes anytime he wanted to.

[Andrew]

John, got a break coming up. We'll be back in two minutes. Hold that thought. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So, John, I want to keep talking about why interior enforcement is so important, but you were reacting to a report from Bill Melusion who said the bipartisan co chairs of the Problem Solvers Caucus, which sounds like name to run away from very quickly. Goodness, what a cringe name. The Problem Solver Caucus. Rep. Brian Fitz from Pennsylvania and Ram Tom Susie from New York, Democrat from New York, have penned a letter to President Trump in which they urged him to make take up immigration reform. And I replied immigration reform is code for treason, telling him that his success securing the borders is being overshadowed by the interior enforcement. And so what do they want? They want to codify Trump's executive order, have the border secured, fix the broken asylum system, provide legal protection to millions of immigrants, whatever that means. Because that means probably amnesty, that means path to citizenship, whatever you want to insert there mandate. Federal agents only take actions for which they are thoroughly trained and urge local law enforcement to cooperate on public safety threats. Require five, require all federal law enforcement involved in shootings must be subject to a thorough independent investigation. You request, you reacted to this very strongly and you were making that point. So please continue.

[Eric Metaxas]

Yeah, I believe the point that I made was that we're done debating these things. This is not, you know, this is something out of the past. This is sort of the Gang of Eight. This is amnesty. We've had these debates and what we got for having these debates was at least 10 million illegal immigrants flooding over the border during the Biden administration in the greatest movement of human beings probably in the 21st century anywhere in the world, a global phenomenon that has completely changed the United States. To your point earlier about population growth, that's what that's where that comes from, is from Biden's border surge. When I was saying before about, about controlling the border the way you control the border, it's easy to do. The operational capacity is there through CBP and Border Patrol. They're very sophisticated, very highly trained personnel there. You control it by letting them do their job and enforce the border, which they can do, detaining everybody who the Border Patrol pick up who's crossed into the country illegally, which the Biden administration did not do, and then imposing deterrent policies so that the people who are in Northern Mexico or in Central America or who are back home in their country of origin who are thinking about paying 5, 10, $20,000 to a smuggling organization connected to a cartel will not actually take out the loan and pay that money and head north because they know there's no chance that they'll be allowed to stay.

[Blake]

All it takes.

[Eric Metaxas]

I don't know if you guys remember the 15,000 Haitians that were under the bridge during the Biden administration in Del Rio, Texas?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

I remember.

[Eric Metaxas]

Okay. Do you know what happened there? They went in because the Biden administration realized all this press is showing up with drones and all these images of these horrible conditions under this bridge. And they said, all right, we have to. We got to wrap that up. We got to get those people out of there. They went in and they took. Took a couple hundred people out of 15,000 and deported them back to Haiti. About 8 to 9,000 of those people immediately went back across the river to Mexico. They self deported because they did not want to be sent back to Haiti. So in other words, it's deterrent policies that secure the border, and that can be done at any time. But what do you do about the 10 million people that already got into the country? You have to send ICE out into the interior of the United States and find those people, people and arrest them. And it's a lot easier to do that. And you can do it without any protests or any accidental shootings or tragic events if the local police will honor ICE detainer requests, as they do through most of the country everywhere except these sanctuary districts. And so I. I think we have to, like, we've. We've allowed ourselves and I think to go back to where we started. The Trump administration has allowed itself to kind of tumble down this leftist rabbit hole of adjudicating these fake things.

[Blake]

Right.

[Eric Metaxas]

When we're. What we're actually talking about is enforcing the immigration laws that we have on the books. The ICE agents are not picking the law. They're not doing warrantless arrests or kidnapping. And anyone in the mainstream corporate media who says that should be called out for it. They're just lying. They're acting under their lawful authority under Article 2, not Article 3.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Right.

[Eric Metaxas]

So they don't have judicial warrants, which is a whole nother thing we can talk about. But all immigration enforcement is under the executive branch. Immigration judges are administrative judges, and the warrants that ICE agents have for illegal aliens are administrative warrants. That's why they can't go into private homes, and they wait sometimes outside places of business or public places to make their arrests. But we just got to get back to reality on this because we've gone. The administration has allowed the conversation and the narrative to go so far afield. It's. I feel like I'm Taking crazy pills.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Pills.

[Andrew]

No, I, I completely agree with that. Go ahead.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Well, it just occurs to me. So people are freaking. A lot of people who should know better are letting themselves have panic attacks because they can't handle, you know, an ugly image. They're easily tricked by. Oh, they, they used a five year old as bait. And I feel like the low hanging fruit of it disincentivizes coming here, it encourages people to self deport and it doesn't create as many bad images is if the administration put more pressure on something we know is illegal, which is businesses knowingly employing illegal immigrants. And I've, I've often thought like the, the way you cut the Gordian knot is you make a really public example of one or two business owners who have very egregiously been hiring illegals and use that to put the fear of God in others. And so they self deport their illegal employees out of their company and then those employees self deport out of the country. What do you think of that?

[Eric Metaxas]

Great idea. I've been talking about that for years. This is the one thing, the reason that we got mass illegal immigration is because on the Democrat side they wanted it to increase their voter rolls, which they had. They have been saying for decades.

[Blake]

Right.

[Eric Metaxas]

That's not a conspiracy theory. And on the right it was Republicans in sort of the Commerce, Chamber of Commerce, Republicans who wanted lower wages for their big business constituents. And so they kind of turned a blind eye and allowed che labor to flood into the country at the behest of those special interests. I think if you knowingly employ illegal immigrants, you shouldn't just get fined or you know, get some slap on the wrist, you should go to jail. And I totally agree that you don't have to get every business, you just have to send a message and to encourage the others, so to speak. And you know, actually put real meat on the bone there and say if you break our immigration laws and knowingly hire illegals, you're going to jail. You personally owner of this business are going to jail. And we don't talk about that enough. And that's a huge part of the incentive, the pull factors for illegal immigrants to come here. They won't come if they know they're going to get deported as soon as they get caught crossing the border. And they also won't come if they know there's no jobs for them here.

[Andrew]

Well, and they also won't come if they know they're not going to immediately be put on the dole. Right. Because that's Another, that's another pull factor. As they come here, they get, they were getting free, free debit cards filled with free cash, free flights into the interior, family reunification. And by the way, they expedited everything on the CBP1 app. So to your point earlier, they didn't like the bad pr. So they're like, listen, you don't have to come flood the border. That's bad optics. You know, you got bill illusion down there with drones. No, just get on the app. We'll get you a flight from Mexico City. You come up, go wherever you want and then just get immediately on the dole. That's what they totally. Treason. It was absolutely treason. And by the way, everybody who wants scalps from the previous administration, if you're not bringing up Alejandro Mayorkas, you're missing the point. Oh, yeah, John, John.

[Eric Metaxas]

Yeah. That guy's a traitor.

[Andrew]

Yeah, we completely, we, we're out of time here. Thank you so much. Very, very the moral clarity is important. Thank you.

[Eric Metaxas]

Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me.

[Andrew]

Eric Metaxas joins us next. We'll.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. President Trump is continuing to roll out the Trump accounts for America's children during a Trump account summit that's happening right now in the nation's capital. The president, along with business and entertainment leaders touting the cooperation that's happening across the country in order to make these accounts a reality for newborns and young children. The official enrollment period begins July 4, which coincides with the 250th anniversary celebration of the nation's founding.

[Kelly Loeffler]

For the first time ever, we're going to give every newborn American child a financial stake in the future, Head Start life and a fair shot at the American dream. With the support of the men and women here and this beautiful room, over the next 15 years, we're going to put 3 to 4 trillion dollars of wealth into the hands of young Americans who otherwise would have really started out with nothing. It's really an amazing thing because it gives young children that start out with really nothing and it gives them, boy, it's more money than anybody could imagine.

[Terrence Bates]

President Trump says various business leaders have committed to donate funding in addition to the $1,000 the government is investing in these accounts. Customs and Border Protection is offering up new details about Saturday's deadly shooting in Minneapolis. In a notice to Congress on Tuesday, CBP reportedly confirming that two federal officers fired shots during the deadly confrontation with Alex Preddy. Investigators say as the Border Patrol officers wrestled with Preddy While trying to arrest him, as you can see here, one of the agents repeatedly yelled, he got a gun. Eventually, two of them pulled their guns and fired. The report from CBP is the most comprehensive analysis of what happened to date. Meantime, border czar Tom Holman and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz have agreed to continue talking as they try to iron out challenges in implementing the president's immigration plans in the Twin Cities. The president plans to reshuffle his immigration operation amid the backlash in Minnesota by putting Homan over Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the Minneapolis area. As for the increasing number of face offs and interactions between private citizens and federal agents who simply are trying to do their job, Homan says enough is enough. That's a quick check of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

[Andrew]

Fact first, America first. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am very excited about our next guest, who's been a longtime friend of mine personally and of course to Charlie, and that is Eric Metaxas, Great American, great patriot, great Christian man. Eric, welcome back to the show, my friend. Friend.

[Blake]

I never left. Andrew, where have you been? It's so good to see you. I just get blessed in my bones. Thanks for having me.

[Andrew]

God bless you. I, you know, I, I'm just sad that you didn't wear a pink shirt or something that I could have, I could have just as a throwback to Charlie, some golden boy quote. We got to, we got to get Seinfeld. Load up a good Seinfeld clip. We have to do it in Charlie's eye. I kid you not, Eric. I have been so I fall asleep to Seinfeld, everybody. Night in honor of Charlie. I'm working my way through the entire 10 seasons. Okay.

[Blake]

And I'm gonna have to interrupt you. I gotta tell you what, Charlie and I had, like, an ongoing disagreement and he eventually agreed with me.

[Andrew]

Oh.

[Blake]

And here's what it is. Seinfeld, the last few seasons basically stink. Now, when I say basically, there's still great moments and stuff that. But it's like they hand it over to a bunch of younger writers who turned it into the cartoon version of Seinfeld. So when you watch like the first six, seven seasons, it's a certain show. And then it gets, you know, like when they do stuff like Kramer has the Merv Griffin set.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Blake]

It's like, it's funny, but it's like cartoon funny. I know you weren't expecting to have this discussion with me.

[Andrew]

I don't disagree.

[John Daniel Davidson]

I'm, I'm slightly younger than you guys. So we talk about this with the Simpsons, but the problem is, at least with Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld had the Wisdom to refuse 4 million an episode or whatever. They offered him to keep going and yeah, and they just ended it. Whereas the Simpsons has been going for three times, it's been a bad show for three times longer than it was ever a good show. And it's still going.

[Andrew]

Well, it's still going. You are host of Socrates in the City, author of Bonhoeffer Is Atheism Dead and Letter to the American Church.

[Eric Metaxas]

You.

[Andrew]

So I wanted to start this, Eric, because you are a man of God and one of the core ethos central themes of this show. And it will forever be this way because this is a show that is dedicated to the legacy of Charlie Kirk. And continuing the mission of Charlie Kirk is to honor faith, is to lift up Jesus Christ and to do it boldly, proudly, loudly and without apology.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And so I want to play a clip. It's longer. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. He deserves the time of Charlie explaining why America's Christian roots must be are Christian and why we need to keep it that way. And then I just. We'll let the conversation go wherever it is. So please enjoy this longer clip.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

345 Remember that we were a collection of states and colonies and you need to read the state constitutions before anything else. 13 or 13 required a declaration of faith. 9 out of 13 required you to be a Protestant often except Maryland which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith. Every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior in the original state constitutions. Secondly, 55 out of 56 of the original signers of the declaration were Bible believing church attending Christians. You asked about common law. So common law is inherited from Blackstone who was Christian. A common law is an outgrowth of the scriptures. So let's go to three principles of common law. Law, due process and jury of your peers, wrapped into the ultimate biblical principle that you shall not favor justice if you are rich or poor, which is in Leviticus 19, right before most famous part of Leviticus 19, which is that you should love your neighbors yourself. But before that is that in the administration of justice you shall not favor the rich or the poor. Which is the idea of blind justice. We get that in the west which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal. Neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, you're all one in Jesus Christ, which is where the Idea of human equality. These are all biblical ideas. They're not Enlightenment ideas, which is they kind of get conflated at the time. But more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence. Well, that's a big deal. Okay. Laws of nature and nature's God. The last paragraph, the Declaration reads as a prayer. It says we appeal to the supreme judge of the universe. Who's the judge of the universe? Jesus Christ, as it says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne. This. So in the Declaration, they were praying to Christ our Lord Word as a prayer very specifically. Thirdly, as I said on stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by far the most quoted book, religious or non religious, in the time of the founding when they were putting together Constitution more than John Locke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone. So the book of Deuteronomy, which talked about laws, customs, traditions, it was Moses farewell address as he's, you know, about to say goodbye, say hey, good luck in Canaan, guys. Here's how you should set up your form of government. But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what the founders said. John Adams famously said, the Constitution was only written for a moral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other. The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord. One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government and they're incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.

[Andrew]

Your reaction?

[Blake]

Listen, I could laugh, I could fall down laughing with joy because the fact that Charlie, only Charlie could rattle things off like enough, like, it's unbelievable. It's so beautiful and it's so true. I tell you, Andrew, you and I haven't talked much because I've been deep in the bowels of working on a book on the American Revolution. I have never in my life understood what Charlie just was talking about in the way that I do now. The book will come out in June. It is outrageously inescapable. Inescapable, utterly inescapable that this nation is a Christian nation. Now. You have to define what that means. It doesn't mean that the government tells people you have to go to church or the government. The government has to be agnostic, government has to sit back and we have freedom in America. But the founders, as Charlie was just saying, there's no doubt. And when you know the details, you'll be embarrassed that you didn't see this before, you didn't learn this in school. There is no doubt. There is no America. There is no America, period, without Christian faith. All of the founders, and I'm really focused on the founders before the founders, right? I'm talking about Samuel Adams, John Adams in the 1760s. This is what I talk about in my book before I get to the actual war, the revolution. But they were radical Reformation, Puritans. These were people who were just. They saw the whole world through a biblical lens. And they knew that God's model is for us to do what the ancient Israelites did in Sinai, have a direct covenant with God, no king but Jesus, no king but the Lord. They all understood this. They all understood this. And when they created our government, that's, that's what they were doing. And it's, it's just so amazing to me how we have lived at a time where this is news to most people, including to me. In other words, it's like I sort of knew this, but as I've been writing this book, I have been so astonished. I cannot tell you the name of the book is Revolution. And as I say, you can't even pre order it yet. But the reason it's called revolution is because every other revolution is not a revolution. It's a fake revolution. Fake and gay. The French Revolution is a demonic parody of a revolution. It's like it becomes a bloodbath because they take God out. The Bolshevik Revolution, all these things we call revolutions, they're not actual revolutions. The one true revolution in the history of the world in terms of government is America. And it's so and so. I think I have to say that what's become clear to me is like a lot of people say, well, I'm conservative or I love America or whatever. It's like, if you really understand that, you understand apart from God, that makes no sense. You should be a liberal. You should be. In other words, to love America, to understand what America is, it points you back. Every single one of the folks who gave us this country understood it is about, about Jesus. It's about bringing biblical. You know, they basically said, well, if we wanted to form a government on biblical principles, what would that look like? It would look like America. That's what it is. And that's what. And many of them said it explicitly. Samuel Adams, I think, said it explicitly. They looked at, you know, the authoritarian monarchies in the same way that they looked at the, the Roman Catholic Church at the time, it's like for top down, it's going to tell you what to do. You don't, you know, and the Reformation changed everything. So suddenly every single person has the ability have a direct relationship with God. And they said that, you know, that's the way it should be. Could we form a government that looks like that? Would it be possible? And as you just said, quoting John Adams, it's like, it is not possible unless the people get that it is not. If the people aren't tuned into this, it's not going to work. Which is why I Hope in this 250th year of celebration, which we have called the supercentennial, in case anybody didn't get the memo, this is the supercentennial. President Trump agrees with that term, that in this supercentennial year we need to go back, we need to understand that without that, America goes away. So nobody got this better than our friend Charlie. And just listening to that clip, I get joy from that, that he said all that.

[John Daniel Davidson]

No, I look forward to us discuss that book when it comes out. And one of Charlie's big causes was he just, he really flogged at that point. America is obviously a Christian country and it obviously is. You almost have to feel like a moron. Like, like you said it, once you, once you notice it, it's like, okay, so we were settled by a bunch of Protestant religious zealots of various stripes.

[Andrew]

Quakers.

[Blake]

Yeah, they were just technically coming from.

[John Daniel Davidson]

A nation of huge religious ferment. Like, I think, what is it? Half the Protestant denominations in the world probably come out of England in this time period. They're constantly coming up with new versions. They're the ones who translate the Bible into every language. Send missionaries everywhere. They're constantly trying to convert the Indians in America. They're coming out of a very religiously infused revolution in the English Civil wars. That's basically a religious infused revolt. They have the Glorious Revolution, which I'm a Catholic, I don't even like that. But that's totally a religious infused revolt. And that's where we get our entire continent concept of the Bill of Rights. The original Bill of Rights is basically born out of the Glorious Revolution and its aftermath.

[Blake]

That's. Well, that's what's so interesting, the revolution.

[John Daniel Davidson]

America is this Christian country and that's what drives abolitionism. That's what infuses both sides of the Civil War. And then they want to tell you, oh, and then during the period where the country was founded. That was just a bunch of deists. No one really cared.

[Andrew]

Give me a break.

[Blake]

Oh, that's a, that is something. It's funny you say that because I, you know, when the book comes out, there's like nine things that I'm just champing at the bit to talk about. The whole deist thing, complete baloney. I never dreamt that I would discover that. It is total baloney. I mean, almost nobody is deist. Even the deists are not deists. I mean, you read what Franklin says, you read what Jefferson says. And these are the only people that everybody points to, you know, like they're deists. They say radically Christian things. Ben Franklin and Jefferson, when they were going to design the great seal, you know, we were going to design a great seal for the new nation. They both suggested Moses parting the Red Sea and the Israelites in the wilderness. And what, like there's like that. That's it. That's it. Those are the two quote unquote deists. And they say so many things that deists don't talk like that. Certainly Washington is not a Diaz. It's like hilarious.

[Andrew]

Well, and you're, you're making a point that, that they were so steeped in the language of the Bible and the language of scripture animated their turns of phrases, the way that they formed their thoughts, it was so innate to them that they couldn't help themselves. More with Eric Metaxas. The great Eric Metaxas. We'll be right back. All right, I'm going to tell you quickly about our friends over at Y Refi Y R E F y dot com. Check them out. Today, private student loan debt, as I've told you, is out of control. $45 billion of private student loan debt in the United States is labeled as distressed or defaulted. And if that's you, you got to check out. Why refi check or call them at 888 y refi 34 easy to do. They will give you a 3 minute rate check without any credit impact. They don't care if you have a bad credit. They're going to custom tailor a solution for you. They're going to give you a monthly payment you can, you can meet. That's the key. So custom tailored that you're going to call people that have heart, that have soul, that want to help you, that live their whole lives to make sure people struggling in this position don't have to struggle any anymore. That's what they wake up doing. They have all your, the stories of their Success right there on their. In their offices. So they take your call and they help you. You're going to want to check it out. If you find yourself in this position, there is somebody who cares about you and wants to help you get out. And that's why refi. You can even skip a payment every six months up to 12 times without penalty. You do not have to ignore that mountain of student loan statements on your kitchen table anymore. Just call them again, 888yrefi34. Or log on to why refi. That's yrefy.com. check it out today. All right, so, Eric, in honor of Charlie, I have to play. I have to play a Seinfeld club. Here we go. How about this? This is the pitch for their show. 410. You want to go with me to NBC? Yeah. I think we really got something in.

[Eric Metaxas]

What do we got?

[Andrew]

An idea. What idea? An idea for the show. I still don't know what the idea is.

[Kelly Loeffler]

It's about nothing.

[Eric Metaxas]

Right.

[Andrew]

Everybody's doing something. We'll do nothing. So we go into NBC, we tell them, I got an idea for a show about nothing.

[Eric Metaxas]

Exactly.

[Andrew]

They say, what's your show about? I say, nothing.

[Kelly Loeffler]

There you go.

[Eric Metaxas]

I think you may have something here.

[Andrew]

I got one more. I just have to play it. Eric. Tuesday has no. Don't. Don't say 4. 11. What's today? It's Thursday.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Really?

[Andrew]

Feels like Tuesday.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Tuesday has no feel.

[Blake]

Monday has a feel. Friday has a feel.

[Kelly Loeffler]

Sunday has a feel.

[Andrew]

I feel Tuesday and Wednesday. All right, shut up, the both of you.

[Eric Metaxas]

You're making me nervous.

[Andrew]

He's right.

[John Daniel Davidson]

Tuesday doesn't have a feel.

[Andrew]

Tuesday has no feel. You know, I don't know.

[John Daniel Davidson]

I was around for Tuesday yesterday. I didn't feel anything.

[Blake]

I don't know if I told you, Andrew. I don't even know if I told Char. I was friends with Larry David before Seinfeld. He was nowhere in his career, and everybody said, like, oh, this is a comedian's comedian. And I went to watch him at a club here in the city in New York, and we were friends, and I went to a dinner party at his apartment, and the real Kramer popped in. It's so bizarre. And I knew him through the woman that Elaine Bennis is based on. So all those stories about fat camp, all that kind of stuff, it's so crazy. And then when I became born again and became politically conservative, he couldn't really handle it. And so our. Our friendship evaporated. But it's such a bizarre thing to think that, you know, I. I knew him before Seinfeld was a thing. It's just crazy to me. I can't be that old, obviously.

[Andrew]

I mean, you know, it's interesting, I think. I think Larry David's obviously a crazy person. Very lib. He's given the world a great show, but so did Jerry. And Jerry Seinfeld is not crazy woke. So we can take solace in that. And actually, if you watch Seinfeld back, this is the 90s. I mean, it started basically, I think season one was 1989, and it ended around 2000, 1999, something like that. And it is not woke. The show is very not woke. And it sort of predicts so much of the weirdness that we're experiencing in our modern culture. It predicts it. Right. Like, you gotta wear a ribbon. I think we play that's. You know, it's the black square before the black square.

[John Daniel Davidson]

The takeaway is not that it predicts it. It's. It's kind of a solace to it that it's actually always been there, and it comes and goes.

[Andrew]

Well, and it gets accentuated by social media. Yeah, certainly.

[John Daniel Davidson]

That's why I told you.

[Blake]

It's already making fun of it. It's already making fun of it. I actually remember when I graduated from YALE in the 80s, you had to wear a ribbon in. At graduation that showed that you stood against apartheid in South Africa. And there was another ribbon for I forget what. And you had to wear the ribbons. And like, the jerk that I was, I wore the ribbons. It's like, oh, you got. You got to wear the ribbons. This kind of virtue signaling has been going on for a long, long time. And of course, Seinfeld was mocking it. You know, they. There's so many episodes where they. Where they mock it, where they say the stuff that everybody's thinking. So that's called comedy. And what comedy is is truth telling. I mean, the reason we find it funny, it's because, like. Yep, exactly. So, yeah, we'd love to. That's somebody I'd love to interview someday is Jerry Seinfeld. I think I could have a fun conversation.

[Andrew]

Well, we have. We have his Duke commencement speech. Our. Our team team. Our crack team in the studio is like, pulling Seinfeld stuff a lot. So here we go. I'm just going to play one. Let's go ahead and play 415.

[Eric Metaxas]

Privilege is a word that has taken quite a beating lately. Privilege today seems to be the worst thing you can have. I would like to take a moment.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

To Defend it.

[Eric Metaxas]

Again. A lot of you are thinking, I can't believe they invited this guy.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Too late.

[John Daniel Davidson]

I say use your privilege.

[Eric Metaxas]

I grew up a Jewish boy from New York. That is a privilege if you want to be a comedian. My point is we're embarrassed about things we should be proud of and proud of things we should be embarrassed about.

[Andrew]

Pretty smart.

[Blake]

Well, the joy is that he clearly. It's like Ricky Gervais. He doesn't care. He's like, come at me. Like, come at me. I got tenure. I got comedy, entertainment. Tenure. I'm Jerry Seinfeld. I can say this stuff and I can shove it in your face. And what are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do?

[Andrew]

Well, so the team.

[Blake]

Kind of funny.

[Andrew]

Yeah. The team is telling me that these are all clips Charlie loved. So we're gonna just. This is all just an ode to Charlie segment with you, Eric, because that's. That's the right thing to do with you. Let's go ahead and play the next one. 416. You went to Duke.

[Eric Metaxas]

That is an unbelievable privilege. I now have an honorary doctorate of Humane letters degree from Duke University. And if I can figure out a way to use that, I will. I haven't figured anything out yet. I think it's pretty much as useful in real life as this outfit I'm wearing.

[Blake]

Unbelievable.

[Andrew]

Eric.

[Blake]

I got an honorary doctorate from Liberty and from Hillsdale.

[Andrew]

Listen, Hillsdale's a partner on the show. We got some news that's coming up very soon. We love Hillsdale. We love Dr. Larry on. He was just in our studio, and it was Charlie's favorite university, the beacon of the North, America's greatest college. So go to charlie for hillsdale.com.

[Blake]

I got. I got an honorary degree from Hillsdale and an honorary degree from Liberty. Are you ready for this? Hendrix. Andrew on the same weekend. Yeah, yeah. I left my house. I got two honorary degrees from the greatest from Hillsdale and from Liberty. And I came home and I had them both. It's like, that was a pretty good weekend.

[Andrew]

It's Eric Metaxas. You are a national treasure. I've missed you, my friend. Let's have you on again soon. There's so much to talk about, and the country needs Jesus and we need comedy, and you deliver both in spit aids and appreciate you for that, my friend. We'll talk to you guys.

[Blake]

Thank you, guys. Thank you.

[Andrew]

We'll see you tomorrow.

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