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Donald Trump Jr.
Every day there's a battle for your mind.
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Charlie Kirk
Raging information coming from every angle with.
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Mikey McCoy
The will to deceive. Fear not, you found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Here we go.
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Mikey McCoy
All right, everybody, we're gonna get started here. Without further ado, we'd like to welcome to the stage the one and only Don junior.
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Donald Trump Jr.
How's everyone doing?
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Mikey McCoy
So, Don, you are. Your popularity is waning here.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I know. I've never not filled a room at Turning Point. This is. This is a little bit scary. I hope this isn't an omen.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, complicated business, as they say. We have obviously pretty tight security, so we managed to smuggle in a few folks here.
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Donald Trump Jr.
So they wrote a bigger check.
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Mikey McCoy
Listen, this is the members last.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You got to do it. That's what it is.
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Mikey McCoy
So thank you for making the time and, you know, making the time to come to Amfest, obviously, you know, it weighs heavy on all of us. This is our first Amfest without Charlie. You were one of Charlie's closest relationships friends. You guys spent a lot of time together in the early days, 2016, you know, on that campaign. So I just want to make this about Charlie and you. What? The time you spent together, the memories you have of him. And so when I ask you, who is Charlie Kirk to Don Jr. Oh, man.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Wow. Listen, he was just, honestly, a generational talent. I think we've all probably heard the story right now, you know, already about how we met. I've, you know, said it many times. This guy is the smartest guy in politics. He knows everything. And I was like, oh, this is great, because we don't know anything. You know, tell me more. Tell me more. You know, it's like, well, you know, he's 20 years old. I go, stop. Just, you know, if there's one thing we had no shortage of, it was guys that didn't know anything. So I was like, there's no chance. You know, 20 year old is like, we got plenty of that. We got plenty of people that don't know what they're doing. That's the only thing we don't have a shortage of. And he said, no, no, no, you gotta, gotta sit down. And I remember Charlie came up to my office. We met the first time in my office in Trump Tower back when that was the war room. And we sat down and in five minutes I'm like, congratulations, like, you're on the road with me. And, you know, six months straight, just, you know, campaigning. Everything from, you know, fundraising to literally carrying bags. Like, we had no infrastructure, we had no team, we had no logistical help. We were literally just, you know, in the wild. And it was amazing. And I remember speaking at, you know, the first Amfest, and it was literally a room, I think smaller than this. It's like 200 people. And it was like, he's like, whoa, look, we got 200 people room. I'm like, that's really good. Because, you know, we're used to the political room where, like, this would be a very large crowd. And so we're like, we're, you know, we're overperforming it. So to, you know, see the crowd build over the last few years has just been epic. And then just seeing what I've seen right now on social out there, knowing that it, it didn't just wane with him not being here is amazing. And I mean, that's, that's his legacy and we got to protect it at all costs.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, we had people lining up at 10, 11 o' clock last night.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Well, you know, they were really loud at about 4:00 clock in the morning. I know because they woke me up. Just people chanting usa, which was great. I don't know if I needed the car honking at 4 o' clock in the morning. I was, you know, that was, it was an early wake up call. Yeah, it was a lot worse than New York, actually. Although maybe under Mandani, it'll, It'll, you know, it'll be worse or comparable, but, you know, to see that people still piling in. Obviously, Charlie's not here, my dad's not making it. This one, it's like, wow. To see 30,000 people in the crowd like that, that's just. He really started a movement.
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Audience Member
You said, You said in five minutes you knew, okay, you're on the team. Do you remember what was in that conversation?
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Donald Trump Jr.
Honestly, I Have no idea. I have no idea. But you just the way he carried himself, I was like, this isn't a 20 year old. You know, what he was able to accomplish in his 31 years is what would be a crowning achievement of someone's life that got to see it through old age. He just did so much. He just knew. There was a confidence there, there was an understanding there. He understood politics, he understood Washington. And most importantly, and this is what's generally lost with all of those people, is he understood our people and he genuinely cared. And I think that was the difference. I mean, I've always said sort of authenticity is everything in politics. And, you know, if you're not real, if you're, you know, phoning it in, if you're fake, man, they smell you quickly and you just go nowhere. And so when you are real, it's a rarity, but it's why you're able to do what he was able to accomplish.
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Mikey McCoy
I have a question about Charlie's growth. Right? So you got to see him 2016, 2025. How did he change?
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, honestly, he. He didn't change that much. It just. He was afforded more opportunities. You know, people, you know, started giving him the same shot that perhaps I gave him early. You know, it took a little longer for them to sort of recognize that talent, I guess, but he was just an absolute workhorse. He always got it. And I think that's what people miss. They're like, oh, he's great on stage with a mic. It's like, yeah. But then he gets off the stage and he's doing a podcast. Then he's in there with donors. And, I mean, the guy just worked harder than anyone else, and he was so passionate about it that it didn't matter. I mean, his energy, you know, was, you know, perhaps. Perhaps second only to my father, who's, you know, also sort of a similar animal.
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Mikey McCoy
Charlie sleeps more than your dad does.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Charlie? Yeah, he was. No, but Charlie, like, yeah, I mean, but. But he cared so much. I mean, he. He took care of himself at an age where, you know, I mean, I used to, you know, you have dinner with Charlie, you're like, you're eating, you know, grilled chicken and salad. Like, again, like, you know, I'm like, yeah, with hot sauce. Yeah, occasionally hot sauce. A little. Add a little spice. But, you know, he just knew that he was on a mission and he was gonna do whatever he could to. To make sure he fulfilled that.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah. So, you know, Charlie doesn't get enough credit for Being funny and how, like, how much fun he was behind closed doors. Blake knows this. Well, Blake was traveling with Charlie internationally the last couple trips he took. You know, what are some things about Charlie that you saw that you either want people to understand about him or that you just know the world didn't really get about him?
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Donald Trump Jr.
Well, I mean, I think that's a. That's certainly one of them. I mean, his humor. You know, again, Charlie always tried to do like the prim and proper evangelical thing. And so, like, that is totally not me. So I say all the stuff that maybe some are thinking but are unwilling to actually articulate. So, you know, you could put him in an uncomfortable position, but then he'd chime in and it was so, you know, for me, I do it all the time for him. When he chimed in on those kinds of things, it was like, whoa, where'd that come from? So, you know, he was just honestly, like I said, a generational talent. And so, you know, as part of this movement, you know, there's not one person, you know, that's going to replace Charlie Kirk. There's not one person that would be capable of doing that. But, you know, if we all sort of band together, if we all have that same passion, enthusiasm, energy, and try, you know, maybe a few thousand of us can fill those little percentage points and try to get to that 100 and keep the movement rolling.
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Audience Member
Can you tell us a bit about the relationship he developed with your dad as the president and as a candidate, too?
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, you know, my father, he's a unique guy. He'll listen to everyone. And he sort of weighs those things equally. I mean, I think how he was able to relate to, you know, regular blue collar Americans, people like, how is it possible he was a brash billionaire from New York? It's like, well, you know, he grew up on construction sites. He knew how to talk to those guys. He. That was. He was a better developer. Not because he listened to the guy behind a computer screen, you know, on Excel, in like a gilded office, but because he spent time on the job sites with real people. And Charlie was like that. So they understood each other. I mean, there's not many people in the inner sanctum of my father's sort of political circle that he sort of gets, even when perhaps he's being delivered news that he needs to hear but doesn't want to hear. Politics. There's plenty of sycophants out there. There's plenty of people who tell you, oh, they show up for the wins and they hide from the losses or the losses are someone else's fault and the wins that they had nothing to do with. You know, Charlie was one of the true people that could call him in the middle of the day and break through and be like, hey man, this is actually a problem. And I know no one's telling you this, but it is. And so for my father to let in, even back in the day, a 25 year old into that circle and have sort of full confidence in what he was saying and really change his views, perhaps change the way he delivered a message, it was truly unique to see. I don't think there was anyone else that he listened to that way and maybe, period, but certainly not, you know, age adjusted.
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Charlie Kirk
100% American made and darn proud of it.
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Mikey McCoy
The Charlie Kirk show.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, Charlie was one of the true people that could, you know, call him in the middle of the day and break through and be like, hey man, this is actually a problem. And I know no one's telling you this, but it is. And so for my father to let in, even back in the day, a 25 year old into that circle and have sort of full confidence in what he was saying and really change his views, perhaps change the way he delivered a message was truly unique to see. I don't think there was anyone else that he listened to that way and maybe, period, but certainly not, you know, age adjusted. And so, you know, it's interesting. I always, you know, when I knew Charlie was, you know, perhaps I'd accomplished what I wanted, you know, just to get him there was when, you know, we'd be in a random place and Charlie's calling and he's picking up on the first ring or, you know, 11 o' clock at night, 12 o' clock at night on something and you get the call from Charlie, he always took that call as opposed to a lot of people where he's like, yeah, I'm gonna send that one to voicemail. You know, he really broke through and he understood how to, how to, you know, talk with and deal with my father who's, you know, an interesting guy and, you know, not always the easiest person to do that with. So, you know, he got it, he understood how to do that. And so they had a really, a really unique relationship.
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Audience Member
And that hard work you mentioned, I just think of before the election. We're working in several states, but our biggest one is Arizona. And I was asking, we're just talking with Charlie, are we going to win? He says, I can't promise we're going to win the election. We're going to win Arizona. I promised the president I would win Arizona for him. And he really. That hard work element. A friend of mine who'd worked in the admin said one of Charlie's best traits is if he says he'll take care of something, he really does.
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Donald Trump Jr.
If he said he was gonna do something, there was no, hey, by the way, did you get it done? Are you working on this? You just knew it was, know, handled. And so, you know, I remember I'm in Arizona. I was out here, you know, a couple days before the election with Charlie. One of the basically last, like, live political events, you know, I. I had done with him prior to the election. And I mean, even then, you know, we almost had to cancel event because we got called in, you know, some lunatic was, I guess, threatening me, you know. You remember that one? You're like, hey, we don't think we can do this one. It was like, no, we're doing it. I remember I'm in Arizona. I was out here, you know, a couple days before the election with Charlie. One of the basically last, like, live political events, you know, I had done with him prior to the election. And I mean, even then, you know, we almost had to cancel event because we got called in, you know, some lunatic was, I guess, threatening me, you know. You remember that one? You're like, hey, we don't think we can do this one. I was like, no, we're doing it. And I mean, we've had that so many times. I mean, Charlie understood, you know, there. There was a mark out there for, you know, either one of us. We said the things that needed to be said. We were willing to articulate things that may not have been popular, certainly not to the radical left, even though they really resonated with real Americans. And, you know, that was an event. Yeah, you were there. I mean, it was like, hey, you guys gotta cancel this. This guy's on the loose, he's threatening your life. And it's like, yeah, no, we're just gonna go do it. And, you know, we had no, you know, my father wasn't in office. We didn't have the Secret Service. We didn't have anything. But we were just, you know, unwilling to take the loss. That was a consistent theme. I remember even in 16, I guess, we were at Michigan State University, and it was the same thing. You've seen this a thousand times, right? You sell 5,000 tickets, the school gives you a room that can hold 1,000 because they don't want you to be able to get it out there. They don't want you to be able to speak. And then they have to make sure to let in all the radicals and just to try to shut it down. It was an active attempt to thwart whatever it is that whatever movement was building. And, you know, we got into a room, I think, you know, probably 1000, 1500 people, and we're about to go on stage, and the Michigan State Police literally pulled us aside and said, hey, you know, we can't stop you from going, but we also can't guarantee your safety. It's pretty rowdy out there. And we both looked at each other and basically said, you know, I think we'd rather get our asses kicked than give them the win and not go out there. And we did, and we went out and we spoke, and, like, we won over so much of the room that they just. It was one of the most energetic of the many college events that we had done together, because there was that just sort of lunacy from the left. And Charlie did such a good job of being able to talk to them, and I'm a little. I run a little hotter, I guess, but for him to be able to start having that conversation, and even the people who are reasonable, if you went into that room with an open mind, he was able to win you over. Everyone was not going in there with an open mind. That didn't matter. But we did such a good job of just swaying that tide that they basically drowned out all the hatred, all of this, and just frankly, energized not just the people on our side, but the people in the middle who are saying, this is actually a really reasonable guy. And this actually makes a lot of sense.
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Mikey McCoy
There's been a lot of speculation after Charlie's death, and you see this kind of some infighting, and. And I think people respect in a whole new way what Charlie was actually doing and kind of the glue. You know, I have. I take kind of a middle approach to it that I think we saw some of these fissures coming on the horizon. Maybe it accelerated some of the. The disagreements. Maybe. Maybe he was really holding it back. It's tough to understand. What do you make of that? Are you. Do you have a new appreciation for it? Did you.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Oh, 100%. I mean, listen, I'm used to the. The fissures. I'm used to people doing things for clicks. It's like. I get it. Politics has become a business for a lot of people, so I get that. But I probably didn't Fully appreciate just how fragile some of it actually is and how much he was able to hold that together or just put a stop to it. But the reality is, Steve Bannon, Ben Shapiro, Tucker, Meghan, Candace, they're not the enemy. I think we have an enemy that's truly out to change the structure of our country. They want to manipulate our children. Charlie understood the bigger picture, and what's nice about our movement is that we are actually willing to hear other opinions. We don't have to blindly agree on everything. We can have those conversations. I'm not sure I love the way some of those conversations have unfolded, you know, certainly in the last couple of months. But, you know, that's the difference between us and the Democrat Party. Whereas, you know, you've seen it a thousand times. Like, if you're not 100% with everything, you could be a thought leader of their movement for decades. And you, you, you. You went away on this one issue, you know, 1%.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And you're out your Persona non grata. You're cast aside despite, you know, decades of, you know, you know, work in that movement. You know, we're a little different. I think why we're able to, you get to things that make sense is by actually having that conversation, that dialogue. And I thought Charlie did that so well, you know, not just within the movement, which I think we all probably recognize he was holding together or at least stopping, you know, perhaps some of the insanity from spreading, but by literally every day opening up one of the largest platforms in the world. You know, whether it's his podcast, whether it was just being out there in public for social media to those who hated him most, and giving them the opportunity to speak, giving them the mic. And when people heard both sides of that argument, they realized, oh, wait a second, I mean, it's why he was so effective on college campuses, which when he's like, hey, we got a new college campus tours in 16, I was like, are you out of your mind? That's lost. That's over. We'll get them when they're 30 and they start paying taxes. But, you know, he was able to do that and have those conversations. And again, once people heard both sides, then they could sort of pick a lane and run with it. You know, he was able to do that and have those conversations. And again, once people heard both sides, then they could sort of pick a lane and run with it. And I think, you know, that that was perhaps his biggest threat to the other side. You know, not that he was a radical, because Charlie's like the least radical guy I know. Not that he was like a wild man, because that, too, was not his thing, but his threat was that he was actually so effective at winning over and changing hearts and minds, you know, that. You know, that he became, you know, much more of a target.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah. So, you know, one of the things that I think is really interesting about, you know, in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination is that we had Alice Bethucky here, and her initial reaction was, I don't want to do this anymore. She. Her. She or her. She was like, this isn't worth it. This isn't worth it. You know, she just saw her friend get assassinated. She pulled back, and now she's doubling down. She's. She's had a complete reversal on that, and she's all in. But you have gone through a lot of the same stuff. I mean, you've been interrogated. You've been brought before committee hearings. You've, you know, you got embroiled in the whole Russia hoax. Your dad was almost assassinated. Now, Charlie, you know, you've been kind of not as vocal in the aftermath of the 2024 election. You've been doing business stuff, you know, and I guess, what do you make of that for. For people that are kind of. Maybe they feel a bit afraid, right? They feel a bit scared. You know, what. What is that dynamic? What's your advice?
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, I get it. I guess perhaps I've been a little bit more, you know, grown accustomed to sort of, you know, the threats or the lawfare or the political persecution side of stuff. Doing 50 hours of congressional testimony for treason. It's like. It's a crime. Punishable. But death, that's like my average Tuesday at this point. It's, you know, we've. We've seen the threats. I've opened the, you know, sort of, you know, exploding white powder envelopes at my house on multiple occasions. You know, I guess what I tell those people is, I get it. I understand. But think of what the alternative is. You know, that's what they want, right? They want us afraid. They want us silenced. They want us unwilling to speak. They want to turn us from the unsilent majority back to the silent majority. And you could see for the last few years if those people with the persecutions. And I get it, when you lose your bank accounts and you lose your this and you're being investigated, certainly the natural tendency would be to run from some of that. But if you actually have these feelings and you want your children to grow up In a country that they recognize, you actually don't have a choice. Because as rough as it can be, I think the alternative is of just giving up and ceding this to the most radical factions of our country. I think the end result of that is far worse than any of this, and we've seen it can go very extreme. So I understand, you know, I'm not being glib about that, but we don't have a choice, and we just have to keep going and do it.
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Mikey McCoy
That's a great word, Don. And actually, you know, I've been grateful to your family for a long time, but in the aftermath of what happened with Charlie, that gratitude has reached new heights because I see it in three dimensions. Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
Please. You guys have literally put up with unimaginable circumstances and threats and lawfare and trying to bankrupt the Trump. Org. And, I mean, just. What haven't they thrown at you is where we're at.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah, that's a much shorter list.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, it's a much shorter.
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Donald Trump Jr.
But, you know, again, I think for us, you know, we had that same sort of, you know, mentality, you know, if. If you have to choose between fight or flight, we just fight. And, you know, we were lucky enough to, you know, when they went after us with the banks, we sort of, you know, went all in on crypto. We came up with solutions to the problems that we were facing. And, you know, I think a lot of people realized that, you know, if they can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone, but if they will do it to Trump and they will do it so flagrantly and so obviously, who won't they do it to? And I think, you know, that. I think that brought a lot of people out of the woodwork, because I get it. It's. If you don't have that platform, if you don't have that balance sheet to be able to fight back financially if you don't have any of those things, I could see that being much more daunting to the average person. But again, I think they realize that if you don't fight now, there's no coming back. Like, there's no. There's no coming back from a communist takeover. And it's just, you know, just degrees of bad at that point. And so, you know, I think, you know, you almost needed to see that because, you know, when I, When I started this and, you know, I was a business guy from New York City and we. It was great, and I used to get invited to the cool person parties and, you're like, well, you know, America, this. You know, I realized pretty quickly that initially I was sort of fighting for the America I believed in and always thought existed. And this is just a little bit of something. And I realized fairly quickly, and I know Charlie and I had this conversation a lot. It's like we weren't actually fighting to preserve an America that existed. We were fighting to create an America that should have existed. The idea of our founding fathers and the things that they wanted that had been gone and bastardized for far too long. And so everyone has this notion of their country. It's like, no, no, no, man. We're so far beyond that and so far gone. We're not fighting to preserve something. We're fighting to create something that should have always been.
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Audience Member
We have 10 minutes. We can take questions. So this is your opportunity right there.
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Mikey McCoy
Do we have a mic, Emma, or. All right, she's coming. Let's do it for the mic. So we get in on the pod. Folks at home can hear the questions.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Paul Berg, one of my pledge masters from college, so he could ask some serious questions about hazing.
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Audience Member
My name is Daniel and I'd be.
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Mikey McCoy
Remiss if I didn't say anything. I come From Chicago, Illinois, 20 minutes from where Charlie was born and raised from Lake Zurich.
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Audience Member
As a brother in Christ, I never hurt so much when I heard the.
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Mikey McCoy
News and with you all and pray for you guys. Thank you.
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Audience Member
As involved with my church and politics.
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Mikey McCoy
Locally, words of encouragement for me as.
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Audience Member
I'm not going to back down from evil as it rears its ugly head, especially in Illinois. People say that it's lost, but I want to fight the good fight and the battle there because it's my home as well.
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Mikey McCoy
God bless you a little bit for Charlie as well.
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Audience Member
What could I do there locally?
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Mikey McCoy
Just words of encouragement, truly.
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Audience Member
I know I'm going to lie on my hope with God, who is the ruler, but.
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Donald Trump Jr.
So I think, you know, honestly, anything to stay engaged. Right? I mean, I think we've always. We've made this sort of mistake and, you know, we're coming up onto midterm cycles, like, well, Trump's not on the ballot, so I'm gonna stay home. And it doesn't really matter, like. No, it matters. Everything matters. You know, it's not about winning a presidential seat or a Senate seat or even congressional stuff. I mean, we gotta win everything down to dog catcher. We've seen what they've tried doing. You know, what's happened to our education system when the, you know, radical left control School boards, you know, get involved in those things, these local elections, with a little bit of effort, you know, you know, matter. And we never did that. You know, we were building businesses or something like that. Is our mindset was, you know, we want government out of our lives, so we're not going to focus on it. But we've seen how each one of those things has been taken over, subverted and weaponized against us, that we just have to get involved, really, across the entire board. The biggest thing is we just can't seed any single aspect of these things. And, you know, while, you know, Illinois, I came from the People's Republic of New York. You know, there are still these pockets that we can't just give up. You know, if you do that, we can. We can move mountains. If you get involved, you do so effectively, I think so much can actually change. And I think, you know, that local politics aspect has been something that's forgotten for so long, but frankly could be more important, you know, than even, you know, the bigger picture things that get all. Perhaps the, you know, the glitz and the glam and the rallies, but just have to stay involved. You have to get to your friends. You have to be, you know, as we were sort of talking about earlier, you have to essentially become unafraid. When you start talking, when you open up those doors to people, it's even. Honestly, even when I was in New York, I mean, the amount of people that would come by like, hey, great job, you know, sort of thumbs up under the coat, they don't want anyone else to see it. But you start having these conversations with people and they're like, oh, wait, I can actually do that. When they see you, you actually be able to fight through some of this, that stuff and come out on top, it changes the mindset. I mean, I talk about my father as being perhaps the most resilient man in the history of American politics. I mean, when he got into this thing, he had no chance of winning a primary. He wasn't going to make it two weeks. It was a marketing stunt. Then he got into a general, and he had zero percent chance of winning, basically onto election day. Then he wins, and then they're going to impeach him. They got him this time. And the walls are closing in. Walls are closing in. I was like, I don't know. The walls were closing in three days ago when they released pictures, 95,000 pictures for Jeffrey Epstein. He's in four of them. And they were all public pictures at events with adults, but they black out the face to make it seem like it's there. And then now, all of a sudden, there's 4,000 pictures of Clinton behind the scenes with minors. And it's like. But people will never even hear those things. They'll never know about those things. It's what you guys are doing on this show, what perhaps I do on my podcast on Rumble. It's just like getting the information out that no one else is going to put out there. Once you start having these conversations and people realize that that stuff is going on, man, just opening that door for them to walk through a little bit. It's not easy to always be the leader, but when you do, so many people will follow. And when they start having that dialogue and they can do so respectfully, like Charlie did so well, you can really change the game. And so the biggest thing is just stay involved. Get everyone involved. No task is too small.
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Mikey McCoy
All right, next question.
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Audience Member
My name is Kathleen. I'm from Alaska and just really appreciate dawn, you and your family don't want you to give up. Stay in the game with us, please. We need you.
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Donald Trump Jr.
We don't know how to give up.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay, good.
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Audience Member
But I just want to say, in answer to his question, so many other people, you don't have to get involved. We need people involved in the electoral process. But I asked someone on the left, a long time Alaskan, who was the fish czar for Alaska, for off all our waters internationally, and I said, if you were king for a day of Alaska, what would you do? Because he served under governor Wally Hickel, and he said, if I were king for a day, I would stack boards and commissions. Every city, every state has board boards and commissions for every subject under the sun. And you don't have to get elected for that. You just have to put your name in the hat and you can get appointed. And if you stack boards and commissions, which is the ground level of entry to everything else and it covers the subjects, you can be a voice that gains more voice. We did. I was on a board and a commission for federal overreach in Alaska. And it was amazing what we were able to accomplish. So I just encourage people that's an entry level way to get in 100%.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Right? Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Trump, for doing all you do. I heard something here at Turning Point USA that was very disturbing about pastor's son in South Korea. He's been in prison for over 105 days for being a Christian and preaching the gospel. He rose up at megachurch from a mud hut and I think it would be awesome if you could maybe put some pressure or talk to your father about putting some pressure on South Korea to get him out of prison. I actually just heard about this. Bettina. Hi, babe. Literally just sent it to me yesterday. So I write about that, but I've actually, I've been over to South Korea a bunch. I've spoken at, I think, the largest evangelical church in the world. And, you know, obviously there's, you know, it's not easy to be evangelical in, in South Korea even, but I know there's a lot of that stuff going on. I just heard about the story, you know, yesterday for the first time.
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Mikey McCoy
So, you know, Pastor sun, probably it was two weeks before or a week before Charlie was assassin. It was the week before. Not even, not even four days.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And then I think I may have actually met him when I was in Korea. It was sort of a rapid fire.
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Mikey McCoy
And there's thousands of people there, here, and, yeah, we're going to get those notes to the administration for sure.
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Charlie Kirk
News flash, Democrats, America is a republic, not a democracy.
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Mikey McCoy
Fact check.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
True.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You know, it's not easy to be evangelical in, in South Korea even. But I know there's a lot of that stuff going on. I just heard about the story, you know, yesterday for the first time. So, you know, I'll look into it.
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Mikey McCoy
Pastor Son, probably it was two weeks before or a week before Charlie was assassin. It was the week before. Not even, not even four days then.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And then I think I may have actually met him when I was in Korea. It was sort of a rapid fire.
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Mikey McCoy
And there's thousands of people here. And, yeah, we're, we're, we've, we're going to get those notes to the administration for sure. Yeah, we are. And, Don, you can help. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's a, it's a grave injustice. What happened to him. He, he basically, you know, said something political. And in South Korea, you're not allowed to do that if you're a Christian.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Mr. Trump, how are you today, sir? Doing well, wonderfully.
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Audience Member
Like you, I'm also from the People's.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Republic of New York as well. But putting that to the side, Charlie Couric absolutely was and still is to this day, my hero. And I was just wondering, what advice would you give to a person like me to help uphold the wonderful legacy that he left behind in terms of his pursuit of civil discourse and trying to bridge divides and reach out to people on the other side of the aisle? Just get out there and have the discourse, you know, he wasn't used to doing that. When we started in 16, he just started doing it. You know, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't popular. There wasn't the, you know, prove me wrong type tours that, you know, that didn't exist. We sort of just, you created it on the fly by having those things. And so, again, just that willingness to get out there, the willingness to have those conversations, you can do that respectfully. You don't have to do it, you know, from an attack perspective. And I think when people see that and they start, you know, you back things up with actual facts, you know, you'd be surprised, I was frankly surprised how many people you can win over who, you know, may not agree on much on a lot of these things. But you've seen it.
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Mikey McCoy
One of my favorite montages that our team put together was from some of these tours. I think Emma actually put it together where it was like, all these people kind of would say, you know, Charlie would give a hat. You know, do you want a hat? Because you came and you disagreed, and if I convinced you, and you can have a hat if you want, and he would, like, give me the head.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Charlie, her absolutely was and still is to this day, my hero. And I was just wondering, what advice would you give to a person like me to help uphold the wonderful legacy that he left behind in terms of his pursuit of civil discourse and trying to bridge divides and reach out to people on the other side of the aisle? Just get out there and have the discourse. You know, he wasn't used to doing that when we started in 16, he just started doing it. You know, it wasn't a thing. It wasn't popular. There wasn't the, you know, prove me wrong type tours that, you know, that didn't exist. We sort of just, know, created it on the fly by having those things. And so, again, just that willingness to get out there, the willingness to have those conversations, you can do that respectfully. You don't have to do it, you know, from an attack perspective. And I think when people see that and they start, you know, you back things up with actual facts, you know, you'd be surprised. I was frankly surprised, you know, how many people you can win over who, you know, may not agree on much on a lot of these things, but you. You've seen it.
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Mikey McCoy
One of my favorite montages that our team put together was from some of these tours. I think Emma actually put it together where it was like all these people kind of would say, you know, Charlie would give a hat do you want, you know, do you want a hat? Because you came and you disagreed, and if I convinced you, and you can have a hat if you want, and he'd be like, give me the hat, give me the hat. And there's this montage of all these kids getting convinced. And, you know, you put that on social media and it was, you know, multiply that by probably millions. Thank you, Mr. Trump.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
All right, last question.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you, Mr. Trump. So my name is Matthew. I was born in the bay area in 1996, and so I grew up all these leftist institutions taking over our schools. And I grew up as a young man where I was made to feel evil because of my identity, basically because I, you know, even though I hadn't done anything. And so my question for you is, you know, there are a lot of young men who are angry and frustrated and resentful because of the direction that the messaging has taken and the economy, and, you know, things are just very hard. And so do you have a message for these young men who are angry and struggling? Well, I think you should be. I mean, I spoke about it a lot on social media this week. You saw sort of, you know, for the last 20 years, the implementation of DEI. I mean, if you were a young white male especially, it's like, didn't matter if you were qualified to go to an Ivy League school. You weren't getting in, you weren't getting the promotion. You know, there's literally a generation or two of men that are going to have a hard time ever achieving that full potential because they were essentially shut out of the workforce, they were shut out of academia. But I think those people still had that potential. It was pulled away from them in many respects. But I think, like everything else, you just have to keep going. There's no way to undo that, unfortunately. But I think with that potential that they had, I think there's other ways that you can do things. In the world in which we live right now, there's such a dynamic change with AI and everything going on right now. I think there's opportunities to take those talents and be able to gain back those losses that were so unfairly taken from you. But I get it. We're trying to end that right now. My father signed some EOs this week, you know, to stop that sort of essentially reverse racism, you know, that was going on against everyone. And you were. You weren't going to get those jobs, you weren't going to get into those schools, you weren't going to get, you know, the Promotion. But you were privileged, and if you were pissed about it, then you're a racist or something. I don't. You know, doesn't have to make sense. You know, when they controlled. When they controlled the media, when they controlled the narrative, when they controlled all of social, intellectual heck, you know, it didn't matter that you're just bitter and you should be, but that doesn't mean you should give up either. I think there's a lot of potential. You just have to get back out there and do it in an unconventional way.
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Mikey McCoy
And Charlie and the Trump family, you guys are great examples, because a lot of people think Charlie was, like, created in a petri dish by, like, billionaire donors or something like this, you know, the rnc. And, like, nothing could be further from the truth.
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Donald Trump Jr.
He massourced.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Okay.
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Mikey McCoy
You're gonna get me in trouble.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Too soon. Too soon. I'm sorry.
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Mikey McCoy
I've heard it all. I've heard it all.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
That was a great interview. Until now.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah. So thanks for derailing us trying to get you backstage, John. So we, you know. But, you know, Charlie basically had the door slammed in his face more times than it was opened for a long, long time. And he just was an entrepreneur about it. He was so disruptive and he worked so hard that eventually he just. He just forced the door to, you know, break down in front of him. And, you know, you guys, you think about your president, your father's presidential run. I mean, yeah, he had to. It was a hostile takeover. You had to force the way into the. To the apparatus of the gop. And so whatever that those barriers are, I mean, I just believe Charlie is the living embodiment of. He was just so dogged and so determined that it wasn't going to. He wasn't going to be told no. And I think that's the perspective we have to have in this country. Yeah. Well, we got to get you backstage.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I gotta go give a speech.
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Mikey McCoy
You're gonna address about 31,000 people, Don, so don't screw.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I'll try not to blow it.
- [40:08]
Mikey McCoy
Yeah. And millions watching online, everybody. Ladies and gentlemen, Don Junior.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you, guys. Thank you very much.
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Mikey McCoy
All right, without further ado, we are going to welcome up one of my favorite people, one of Charlie's favorite people. She real pro. She needs no introduction. Allie Beth Stuckey.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Hey, y'.
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Audience Member
All.
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Mikey McCoy
Hi. And Mikey McCoy, by the way. Hello. How are we doing?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Mikey McCoy.
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Mikey McCoy
This is my first. This is actually my first one with Mikey. You've done some other ones without me. This is my first One.
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Charlie Kirk
I know. I really missed you.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It's an honor.
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Mikey McCoy
We're so glad to have you.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Thank you. I'm glad to be here.
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Mikey McCoy
You are a crowd favorite. You have a huge platform, and you are a wonderful Christian model of, I would say, integrity of courage.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
You've had a courageous last couple months, I would say your whole career, certainly. But you have been a voice of truth, reason, facts, and you've taken the slings and arrows. So whatever in that intro that you want to get into the floor is yours. You've been a model of courage, though, for so many.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Well, thanks. And courage is contagious, and courage begets courage. And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as brave before Charlie died. But then something was just triggered in all of us in a really good way after we saw that. And any care that we had about what the world thought of us or really what anyone thought of us, it just fell to the wayside. I know that I felt like that, but even like my nieces and nephews and people I know in my life who weren't political before, and maybe they weren't really digging into their Bible, they certainly weren't evangelizing. That has changed. And I just, like, want to remind everyone I know there's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing. Like, is the revival that we thought was going to happen, is it already over? It can feel like that until you talk to the everyday person. And the conversations that I have with people that I work with or. Or my friends or people that I know that I didn't know were interested in Christianity, they're like, yeah, I'm going to church now. Yeah, I just got baptized. Yeah, I heard the gospel and I believed it. So underneath all of the headlines, like, there is a revival happening, and the Holy Spirit is making people more courageous. And I'm just happy that we still get to be a part of that.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, well said. I want to encourage everybody that maybe is asking those same questions. I've had the exact same experience that, you know, and I think it reflects now in the polling. And still church attendance is still surging. Baptisms are still surging. And so, you know, I think sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the darkness tries to counter it one for one. It can't. And I've said before that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop. Like, the trains left the station. Good luck stopping it. You can harass it. You can try and throw sticks and stones in its Tracks, but it's just gonna roll right over them. And so God's doing a great work here, and I think we need to have faith and let the process play out too, by the way, with the political commentators and the noise and the debates, like, let it play out like something good might just be happening underneath the surface. And we need to let that. We need to trust the Lord, that he knows the next steps. But. Mikey, get in here.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
I also think it's really exciting, though. And I keep saying this over and over again because I mean it, and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and using his free speech. Free speech that oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for. And you would think that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech, it would make others kind of pause and say, maybe I don't want to do that because I, too, could get killed. But, like, here at amfest, it's been so encouraging for me and for all of us to see record breaking numbers of how many people are here for the first time, 80% of which this is their first TPOSA event ever. But then these students that are, like, fired up, and it's like the me next mentality, like, I'll be the next one. Like, put me on the stand. Like, I'm ready to go. Because courage is contagious. And, like, when you see that, it fires you up for truth. And I think that the Enemy wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over. But in reality, it's playing out in different ways that we don't even see behind the scenes. I mean, last week, Andrew, we were, like, down bad. We were down bad.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
So y' all were discouraged?
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And then being here this week, it's, like, just so encouraging.
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Mikey McCoy
I'll be super honest about it, that on Thursday morning, when I was getting ready to come down here, I was not looking forward to it. I was like, just have to get through this, and then I'm gonna be. Then I can go be with my family and watch some Christmas movies. That's, like, what I want to do.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Right?
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Mikey McCoy
Honestly, it's been a long year this month. Charlie would say. Charlie would always say, it's been a. Today's been a long week, you know, so. But anyways, so. But then when I got here and instantly felt it was. It was kind of like when we were at the memorial and you step in there and it was just like, boom. You could just feel it. And that comes from all of you guys and I've been riding high ever since. Honestly, this has been the most life giving couple of days and that, that I have experienced in, in a while.
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Audience Member
Yeah.
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Mikey McCoy
And so I'm, I'm completely encouraged and I believe that the reach and the ripple effects of Charter, Charlie's martyrdom and his, the assassination, we are so far reaching and so unquant, unquantifiable that we're, we're really on this side of attorney eternity. Never really going to understand the reach and the impact that Charlie has really had. And by the way, people like you stepping into that shadow, which is my next question, stepping out, but from behind that shadow, I should say, you told me, no, feel free. This is not, this is. Don't worry, this is not a live stream like that. I'm just. You told me that you had an initial reaction after Charlie was assassinated.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Mikey McCoy
And then you transitioned to, let's just say a more bold reaction. What was your first reaction? And then what changed in you?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, my initial reaction. So I got a text from my publicist. I was on my way to a doctor's appointment and she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has been shot on college campus. And I was like, that's not true. That is just. She heard that through someone and that's not true. But even if that is true, gosh, she got shot in the arm and that'll be terrible, but you know, it'll be okay. He'll be fine. It's just my mind couldn't even go to that space spot. But then I called one of our mutual friends who was crying, understandably, on the other side, and he said, it is true. I went through all the things that you've heard a lot. He might make it. And then got a text saying, he didn't make it. And my first reaction was like, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. It's not worth it. I thought we were in a battle of ideas, and we're not. We're bringing ideas and they're bringing bullets. This is not a war of words. Like, this is a hot war. They've declared war on us. And then I talked to my dad. My dad, I talked to him every day. And he's a wealth of wisdom for me. But he said, you know, when all of this clears and like the emotions kind of settle down, you do have to ask yourself, what would Charlie say to you? Like, what would he say to you? And I'm like, I know what he would say. What he would say to any of us in the movement and all of us are so blessed with, like, different encouraging texts that he would send to so many people over the years. And one of them I got. I had this negative article written about me in the Atlantic, and I was all anxious about it, but of course, Charlie texted me, and he said, huge honor. Keep slugging. And my audience has heard me tell this story. And so now, like, whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged, they just say, keep slugging. Keep slugging, Keep slugging. It's almost become a motto like that. And now that's how I feel. Now I'm like, okay, like, he didn't die for nothing. Like, he. He would say to all of us, keep slugging. Do not back down. This is actually the very last thing you should do.
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Mikey McCoy
Well, and, you know, it's funny because a lot of people have their. Their Charlie isms. You know, like Steve Day says, go, Max. You know, or go hard. Go hard.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Go Max is different.
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Mikey McCoy
That's funny. But, you know, it is true. We. I mean, this. I think this is, like, a hard for some people to probably hear, but, like, the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake City, and we're sitting there, you know, stunned silence, and somebody just kind of had to, like, break the silence. Cause, you know, what do you say in this moment? And somebody's like, you know, Charlie would be really upset that we're not streaming right now. And I was like, okay, probably true. It's probably true. Yeah. I mean. And, you know, obviously that wasn't the expectation, and it was a joke, but it was a. It was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired. And the way Charlie was wired, he would run right into the story. He would run right into the battle that was in front of you. And. And he just had this endless energy. And so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got seen over 35 million times or something insane. We knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie, that, like, spoke up for him in that moment.
- [51:14]
Charlie Kirk
Relentless in spirit.
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Donald Trump Jr.
You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.
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Audience Member
Show.
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Mikey McCoy
But it was a. It was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired. And the way Charlie was wired. He would run right into the story. He would run right into the battle that was in front of you. And. And he just had this endless energy. And so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got seen over 35 million times or something, Insane. We knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie, that, like, spoke up for him in that moment. And you have done that as well. You had this moment where, you know, Charlie was giving you encouragement about your jubilee debate, and that happened right after, right?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yep. It was two weeks after he died. It was the day before the memorial.
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Mikey McCoy
Right. And you struggled with whether or not you should keep that commitment.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah. I mean, the last place I wanted to be was surrounded by a circle of liberals. And that moment, just to be honest, we had a lot of security conversations before walking into this. But honestly, yes, like, Charlie's wisdom was so vital. Holy spirit was present 100%. But also, to the credit of my opponents, there were 20 liberal Christians and one Christian conservative. And I got to make four claims and defend those claims. And all 20 of them came up and tried to deconstruct it. But. And so I was nervous and. But the. Oh, thank you. Thank you. But the first guy came up to me, this, like, flamboyant gay man, and he came up to me, and it's so tense in there. I don't know if they tell the cast not to smile. No one is smiling. It is hot. They don't have any air conditioning. They stop every 30 seconds to turn fans on.
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Charlie Kirk
It is hot. I went there with Charlie.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It's so hot.
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Charlie Kirk
It's brutally hot.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It is so hot. And it's like. And I watched Charlie's before, and they were so mean to Charlie. I was expecting that. And so this guy, he sits down, and Charlie told me, he said, ask them all their name because it throws them off. And so I did, but then he stopped, and he said, I am so sorry about your friend Charlie. And that just. I can't take credit for that. Like, that completely melted the tension. They didn't actually show that in the final cut of the debate, but three or four of them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly, like, even in death, Charlie kind of made peace. The first guy came up to me, this, like, flamboyant gay man, and he came up to me, and it's so tense in there. I don't know if they tell the cast not to smile. No one is smiling. It is hot. They don't have any air conditioning. They stop every 30 seconds to turn fans on.
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Charlie Kirk
It is hot. I went there with Charlie.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It's so hot. It is so hot. And it's like. And I watched Charlie's before, and they were so mean to Charlie. I was expecting that. And so this guy, he sits down, down. And Charlie told me he said, ask them all their name because it throws them off. And so I did, but then he stopped and he said, I am so sorry about your friend Charlie. And that just. I can't take credit for that. Like, that completely melted the tension. They didn't actually show that in the final cut of the debate, but three or four of them stopped and said, I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly, like, even in death, Charlie kind of made peace in that situation. That could have been really contentious. The tension kind of melted away.
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Charlie Kirk
I know. The tension of that room.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, it was hot.
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Donald Trump Jr.
They were way meaner, too.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
It's in the hood.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
It is.
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Mikey McCoy
Which imagine, Mikey, just walking around the hood.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, exactly.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Well, you look like you're from the hood, so I'm sure it was familiar.
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Charlie Kirk
Yeah, I give off hood vibes.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You do.
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Mikey McCoy
Just like Charlie, that one Line dvd, he's like, yeah, I'm just on. On the street all the time. PB yeah. Did you have a question?
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Charlie Kirk
No, I just. I mean, you opened up kind of talking about how we. We're gonna watch this play out. But I think it's really interesting to see all the different personalities that are speaking at Amfest.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
And Erica said it the other day.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
There's personalities at Amfest? Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
What?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I haven't noticed that at all.
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Mikey McCoy
People are acting like this is the first time we've ever had, like, you know, disagreement. Disagreements.
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Charlie Kirk
Shade being thrown from stage. No, never. Not at Amfest. But Erica came out yesterday and she was like, you know, you can say a lot about Amfest. You can't say it isn't. It is boring. And she was like, it's like. It's like Thanksgiving dinner with the family.
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Mikey McCoy
Members, you know, like, working out the family business.
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Charlie Kirk
You're working out the family business. But I do want to kind of talk about. Tucker said in his speech, he said, if my brother goes on a drug related murder spree, I will not denounce him. And that. I was, like, thinking about that all night last night and then again this morning, because I love my family and I'm super close with my family, but then I'm also very invested in my morality and my values. And I was like, oh, Ali Stuckey's coming. I'll just ask her what she thinks about it. Would you denounce me if I went on a drug related murder spree?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You know what? I would denounce you for a lot less than that, Mikey. So definitely at that Point we're denouncing. Seen my key.
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Mikey McCoy
So you're saying there's standards.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
There are standards. Okay, so I guess we could get into the semantics of what do you mean by denounce? Of course you still love someone in your life. Like if your spouse, especially the person that you're one person with. Like, it would take a lot for you to publicly condemn them, but you would like you, you would still love them and want what's best for them and all of that, but you also want justice and you want truth. Just because we, you know, we subscribe to something that is higher than interpersonal loyalty, and that is loyalty to the word of God, even when it's really difficult. So, yeah, I thought that was strange. I don't think I can get on board with that.
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Mikey McCoy
Fair enough.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Hopefully his brother doesn't do that.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, let's hope nobody goes. We don't recommend drug related murder sprees.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
We don't that need to be said.
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Mikey McCoy
Disavow.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I wasn't sure where you stood on that, so thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
You know, people are asking questions. So, so, but when we, when we, when we, when we talk about these disagreements within the movement, though, let's, let's keep them more within. Okay? Not murder, but with, you know, foreign policy. Disagreements about Israel, disagreements about H1BS, disagreements about all of those things. Health care, what do you, what, how do you navigate these issues? You know, Charlie was a big proponent of something, you know, that we call prudence. And so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most contentious issues of the conservative movement of our day?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen to some of my critics, I am like the biggest Israel Stan out there. Like, it really doesn't matter what you say. Sometimes to some of these critics, they will say that, you know, they'll just put, they'll project what they think about you onto you no matter what you say. So you have to just ignore that. Okay. That's part of prudence and I'm sure that Charlie was really good at that, of ignoring the people that are going to say what they're going to say, no matter what the truth is. And my only question is, what is true? What's factually true, but most importantly, what's biblically true. And if I really don't know the answer to that, then I don't always wade into those waters. And if I don't think it's a salvation issue, if I don't think it's an existential. Existential issue, then I'm going to do my best. Like I did an episode, for example, when Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel. And I just kind of navigated that. Here's what I think the Bible says about Israel, here's what I think as a Christian, and here's what I think our obligation is. And, you know, it kind of pleased no one, but that's okay. And I don't have to pretend. Here's what I never do. I never pretend that I'm an exercise expert on something that I'm not an expert on. But if I know how to navigate something, if I feel like the word of God is clear on something, then I'm going to go all in. Here's what I never do. I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that I'm not an expert on. But if I know how to navigate something, if I feel like the word of God is clear on something, then I'm going to go all in. Because Charlie and I, we. Our last conversation on the podcast was about. He loved to talk about woke pastors. That was like his favorite thing to ask me was about woke pastors.
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Mikey McCoy
He had a special place for them in his, in his contempt.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yes. And he, we talked about this concept of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God, just believing that they know better than God, that they're wiser than God, that they're more compassionate than God. And he was like, that has to be the title of your next book. I'm good at this kind of thing. That needs to be the title, which is probably true. But the truth is, is that the most loving thing that we can do in all things is agree with God. And if I can find a way to agree with God when it comes to my politics or my cultural views, certainly my theology, then I'm going to do that as loudly as I can and try to help other people do that, too.
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Mikey McCoy
But when it comes to the politics of it all, and I know that you tend to be faith forward politics downstream of your faith, which is, I think, the proper order. But we're talking about the politics of it all, the coalition building of it all, the Trump and J.D. vance of it all, does this sort of fight that we're see play out in a public way, this family business? Because it's different, Right. We all know that, like, you know, trans and kids is bad. Right. We all know that, like, these ones are the easy ones. It Gets harder when it's. When you're sort of so called shooting inside the tent. So what do you make of that? Do you think this is healthy for the movement? Do you think this is just a sign of a healthy immune system and the antibodies fight? You think this is. Or you think this is a sign of. Of a lack of health? Do you think this is dysfunction?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
You know what? It's hard to say exactly what my rule is in wading into these conflicts. So we can just say, like, when it comes to the Ben and Megan disagreement, like, I'm not probably going to wade in and say, well, like, I'm on this side. I'm on this side. Both of these people are my friends. And I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like, ali Stuckey has to speak up on that or else she's a coward. Now, I might if it comes to that or if things evolve, but when it came to this is members only, right? Like, when it came to the Candace thing, I, you know, put that off for a while for a lot of different reasons. I didn't want to say anything. But then she started talking about Mikey, and that really bothered me. But then she also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge about, like how turning point events work and things like that. And I felt an obligation to my audience, who was constantly asking me, what do you think about this? A lot of them watch her and love her. Of course, she's super entertaining and popular. But they're like, what do you think about this? Can you give me some clarity on this? And I've always said clarity is kindness. And if I am purposely not offering clarity where I know my audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly, which is why I ended up trying to speak up about that. So I guess it's case by case trying.
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Mikey McCoy
I think you succeeded in speaking up on that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Well, I, you know, I said what I said, and I totally stand by it.
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Mikey McCoy
You certainly did do that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I totally stand by it. And yeah, yeah, innuendo is non investigation. And that's where I stand.
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Mikey McCoy
I mean, I. I should have. I shouldn't have interrupted you. Innuendo is not investigation. Yeah. And I think it's an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody just moments ago, that what I actually think is happening in the movement is. Is two parallel tracks. I think there's an ideolog ideological debate that's unfolding. But I also think it's, you know, you have to understand how we got to this moment. Where we had media that was contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box, right. You know, we had cnn, abc, NBC, cbs, and then eventually Fox and. And that was kind of it. Right? And then it exploded out of that. We have independent creators, we have independent minded YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and they are getting a bigger and bigger, bigger chunk of the piece. But it's sort of the wild west still. There's no established rules. Right. Washington Post has to publish its editorial controls. And the standards and ethics that it's going to, well, it, you know, it's going to abide by.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Right?
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Mikey McCoy
And same with New York Times, same with Fox News. In the world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics. And you've seen sort of the platforms trying to impose those. There was massive backlash against censorship, against hate speech, whatever that is. And so what you're actually having is this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about how to responsibly create content online, especially when your platforms become huge. Right. And there's certain people that think you need to apply certain standards and ethics to facts and innuendo. And there's certain people that think, well, we're, you know, it's all kind of free game. So that, I think is actually the thing that needs to settle. That is the sifting that is also happening underneath. What you think is this debate against he said, she said, or I'm friends with this person, so I'm not. It's actually deeper than that. And it's. It's a more structural problem, in my opinion. I don't know if you agree with.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
That or not, but, yeah, I think those are really good points. I think the issue that we have on the left and the right and now the right is that our disagreements have become very fundamental. We're asking questions like, what is an American? Which I think is a really good thing to debate. We have to define our terms, but we're also debating, like, what is truth? What is truth? Like, how do we seek truth, what counts as truth? And it looks like we've got different definitions, not only on the right and the left, but even within what is considered the right. And I do think the only way is to hammer that out and hash that out. But it'll be interesting to see how that shapes up.
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Mikey McCoy
Do you want to do some Q and A, or do you have a question?
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Charlie Kirk
No, no, no. You guys, you said it. Great. I would just also add, I mean, under the Biden administration, we kind of unified under you Know, if you would trip, you know, we would all go on social media and talk about it at length. But I think now we've kind of been broken into, like, three factions. Is you have the administration who's really focused on just everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy, and everybody who's really hyper analyzing that. And then you have the greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas. And then you have to also remember that the audience who likes to ask questions is. These are people like even me, you know, who came out of California during, you know, the COVID lockdowns, and my dad was gonna be arrested for opening his church. These people have been lied to about the election. They've been lied to about COVID and so they are looking for somebody to ask questions about everything. And so there's an audience for that as well. So there's. We're all separated right now, and because we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we don't have a unified enemy right now.
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Mikey McCoy
Yep.
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Charlie Kirk
And so right now, we're just kind of focusing on fighting each other instead of focusing on a unified enemy.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yep.
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Mikey McCoy
Governing is hard. Yeah. Clap for that. I totally agree.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah. Very wise.
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Mikey McCoy
The, you know, the hope is that when we get to 2026, and especially in 2028, a lot of these. The infighting hopefully will. Will, you know, fade away because, you know, we're going to be having to defeat AOC nominee or Jasmine Crockett or. Yeah.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
The content that will come out. I mean, it's going to be.
- [67:05]
Mikey McCoy
I mean, that will be a crystallizing moment for everybody. Very clarifying moment for everybody. Let's do some Q and A for Ally. Emma's got the mic.
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Audience Member
Hi, my name is Amanda. I have listened to Rush since I.
- [67:20]
Allie Beth Stuckey
Was in the womb, and I once rushed past.
- [67:23]
Audience Member
I didn't have a home, found the Charlie Kirk Show.
- [67:27]
Allie Beth Stuckey
So thank you guys for continuing. I really appreciate it. My question. I'm a nurse and a mom, and I. I'm just sitting here watching you.
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Audience Member
Guys, and I worry about you guys as people.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
How can I be praying for you all? Yeah, that's very sweet. Well, thank you so much, and just thank you for being a light in a dark world. The medical system, unfortunately, you know, isn't always the brightest place. So thank you for doing what you do. Um, well, you know, I can't speak for everyone, but pray. Yes, of course. For protection and things like that. We're always praying for that. But also just pray for courage to do the next right thing. That's all any of us are ever trying to do. Do the next right thing in faith, with excellence, and for the glory of God. That's the motto that I try to live by. And sometimes that takes courage. Um, there's not a lot of courage in being complacent and going with the flow. But all of us in this room have decided that going with the flow got us to a really bad place. And swimming upstream can be hard. So pray for courage, not only for us, but for people like you too. Because we have a job to say the things that we say and do the things that we do that are considered controversial. You could lose your job for doing that. So really, my respect goes to you for the sacrifices you make for the truth. So thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Well.
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Mikey McCoy
Hi, Ali.
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Donald Trump Jr.
How you guys doing? Hi, my name is Ian. I'm from North Idaho and just want you to kind of elaborate more on how we don't have a common enemy. When Charlie Kirk was shot by a leftist, trans loving person. Like, how is that not a common enemy right now? When they literally shot him for talking.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Oh, I didn't say that we don't have.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I know what I'm saying. Like how, how can we elaborate on that? Like how we don't have a common enemy, I guess is what I was hoping to find on for.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Oh, are you saying that some people are asserting that or you believe that we don't have a common.
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Donald Trump Jr.
I believe we have a common enemy.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Okay.
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Donald Trump Jr.
And it's like, yes, I agree with you.
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Mikey McCoy
I actually think we were all saying we have a common enemy. It's about how we're getting distracted by the things we disagree about in amongst the coalition on the right, the larger coalition. And so it's not. It just doesn't feel maybe as prominent to some people because all, Guess what, all the clickbait, all the stuff people are clicking on and posting about is like infighting. So it just doesn't. It's just not as prominent. But when. When I think when the calendar of the election comes into more focus for people, that will probably be a clarifying moment. It will refocus people that are currently distracted. I'm not distracted. We're not distracted.
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Donald Trump Jr.
We agree that you guys weren't distracted.
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Mikey McCoy
No, no, no, no, no, no. We're mission, mission, mission around here. Like we do. We do our level best to stay focused on the mission at hand. And that's midterms. Midterms. Midterms. No, transing our kids, mass migration Mass migration.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
But let me just encourage you just for a second because I know that the distractions and the division is demoralizing. But I like to use this analogy. On the left, when your goal is just destruction, you don't have to agree on the tools that you use. Anyone can pick up a hammer or a mallet, it doesn't matter. As long as you're destroying, you can all do it. You don't have to agree. But on the right, we're trying to build something. And when you're trying to build something, you have to agree on the foundation, the materials and the tools you use, who's using it and when and where. That takes work. And sometimes it takes these clarifying moments for us to say, hang on, who are we and what are we doing? What is our common enemy? That's the moment that we're in right now because we lost our main coalition builder and the guy that was holding us together and somehow holding back the crazy. All the crazies, it's come out. And so we're just having a redefining moment so. So that we can win the midterms in 2028.
- [71:06]
Donald Trump Jr.
Thank you.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, hi, Ellie, how it goes.
- [71:09]
Donald Trump Jr.
My name is Jonathan. I'm actually working on getting on different podcasts that I really want to give a lesson on opposing abortion and what.
- [71:15]
Mikey McCoy
A godly marriage looks like. Okay, just enter your email and see.
- [71:18]
Donald Trump Jr.
If you'd like that.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
And you know what? I have my, my assistant is somewhere over here. If you have a card or something, if you can, if you can give, I probably won't, but someone else can enter that information. I do too.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah, the Hustle's great initiative.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah, yeah, no, I really do too. And any, any pro life voice that we can get. I appreciate so much.
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Mikey McCoy
Got one back there, Emma.
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Audience Member
So I have a question because after Charlie Crooker died, I feel one of two ways. A lot of us wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's. I want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my question for you is how do you get rid of that fear of wanting to speak out and like just like push forward through it because like I'm really, I really try to fight people pleasing, but I can find myself in it where it's like, not that I'll say what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my thoughts to myself. Cuz I'm just like, oh well that I know that'll like basically.
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Mikey McCoy
And so.
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Charlie Kirk
The Hardest working radio show in the business.
- [72:49]
Mikey McCoy
The Charlie Kirk Show.
- [72:54]
Audience Member
So I have a question, because after Charlie Kirk had died, I feel one of two ways. A lot of us wanted to speak out and a lot of us wanted to hide. I'm caught in the middle where it's. I want to speak out, but there's also fear. So my question for you is, how do you get rid of that fear? Fear of wanting to speak out and, like, just, like, push forward through it. Because, like, I'm really. I really try to fight people pleasing. But I can find myself in it where it's like, not that I'll say what people want to hear, but I'll just keep my thoughts to myself because I'm just like, oh, well, that I know that'll, like, piss them off, basically. And so, like, I'll try to, like, either put it out or just, like, put it. Brush it under the rug. But I really want to, like, with Charlie dying, like. Yeah, it was very encouraging for me because it was like, he did for my generation what a lot of people wouldn't have done.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Audience Member
And he put his life literally on the line for our generation. And it's just encouraging that, like, he did that for us. And so I want to step up like he did.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Audience Member
And finally start speaking out about things. Especially it's scary because I live in Illinois, so, like, it's very blue.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
And right.
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Audience Member
When you speak out about politics, you're hated for it because.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Audience Member
Chicago is not a safe place. I worked for public safety on my campus, and so I've heard what goes on in the city, even in, like, on the news. You just see all of the horror that is caused by that. And so just kind of. Yeah. What's your advice for, like, pushing past that?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah. Would you all say that Charlie got more courageous over the last five years?
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Audience Member
Oh, yeah.
- [74:50]
Allie Beth Stuckey
And how would you say that he became more courageous?
- [74:54]
Charlie Kirk
I think part of it was getting married and then also having kids.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
- [74:57]
Charlie Kirk
Yeah. And he realized that he had something bigger to defend than just himself.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Don't beat yourself up about struggling with fear and people pleasing. That is being part of being human. But it is something to fight against. We don't want to live in a world or lead a life in which people are big and God is small and people's opinion of us loom large, while God's opinion is really a lot smaller to us. And so it takes practice. That's the thing. I don't know if Charlie would say the same thing, but people ask me, are you Nervous when you do xyz? Well, not as much anymore. And it's not because of some, like, magic or anything. It's because I practiced it. But you have to practice courage, and that means taking a risk. That means saying the thing even when you don't really know what to say and it's not perfect. So courage takes practice. But courage is also contagious. So when you step out, encourage other people. Do, too, and then it makes it less scary.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah. And by the way, the ver. The number one verse that people have sent me. I don't know if I said this earlier, but it's worth saying, is just.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Saying hi to the photographer.
- [76:21]
Mikey McCoy
Did you send me this verse, too?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
No.
- [76:23]
Mikey McCoy
Thought you were waving at me.
- [76:24]
Allie Beth Stuckey
No.
- [76:25]
Mikey McCoy
Is Joshua 1:9.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
- [76:28]
Mikey McCoy
Be strong and courageous. And I have literally hit my knees multiple times since Charlie died and just asking God to give me more courage and give me more wisdom. So it's okay if it's hard.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
- [76:40]
Mikey McCoy
That's what courage is. There has to be. If. If it wasn't hard, it wouldn't be courageous.
- [76:44]
Allie Beth Stuckey
So.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
But also, in, like, a world that's evil and filled with lies, if the world's constantly agreeing with you and affirming your behavior, that means you are living a life of lies and darkness and evil, because it's affirming the actions that it desires, affirming the actions of the world that it's in. So when you actually do what's right and are a bright light in this dark world and actually bringing truth to lies, that's not a very popular thing.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah.
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Charlie Kirk
I mean, rejoice in your suffering.
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Mikey McCoy
Yeah. Charlie was a prophet. And what do they do to prophets? I mean, that's. That's a bitter pill to swallow. But Charlie has a really big throne and really big mansion in heaven right now. I gotta believe it. And Chart, there's that clip where Charlie said, you know, he's called to confront the lies with the truth and proclaim the truth. And he wanted to be known for courage, for his faith. So Charlie's a guy that said yes to the Lord and, like, went all the way.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Mikey McCoy
Next question.
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Donald Trump Jr.
Hi, Ali.
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Audience Member
So I read your book Toxic Empathy, and one of the things I'm noticing is social work as an organization is probably evil at this point, or they're all brainwashed. So I was a social work student, and I had asked Charlie, you know, for some advice, and I heard many social work students ask him for the same advice. And he told me, you know, stand up, you know, tell the Truth. And I did that, and I was kicked out for it.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Audience Member
And so my, you know, we're fighting the trans and the kids movement. We're fighting the universities, but I don't see much of fighting the social work because they're in their universities, they're in the, you know, the police departments, and they're, you know, by themselves. DCFS in Illinois, California. I know for sure if you don't use your child's pronouns, they can take your kids from you.
- [78:37]
Allie Beth Stuckey
Yeah.
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Audience Member
And I. I just don't hear that many people talking about social work and how ingrained that this is. And so I was wondering, you know, can you guys all give it a platform and what we can do to. To fight the organization?
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Social workers, teachers, nurses and therapists attract the best people in the world and the worst people in the world. And it is because it involves vulnerable people. And there are two kinds of people that are attracted to the vulnerable person, and that's the person that wants to help them and the person that wants to hurt them. And so that's what we see in those helping professions. And that's not to say that all those progressives that go into social work have bad intentions. They don't realize they're being demonically led to support the idea of a child being born in the wrong body. But you're right, we do need to speak up about that. And don't think that you're speaking up for the truth was for not just because you got kicked out. You have no idea how God used that courage, what seed you planted, who heard you, that initially hated you. But 50 years from now, God could use that moment that you're not even thinking about anymore in someone else's life. When they remembered, that person stood up for that, and he was right. God uses those seemingly unseen and unsung moments in eternity. And you will only see when you get to the other side of glory, how that moment of courage where you felt like you were risking everything worked into someone else's testimony. So don't look at the world's affirmation of you as like a meter for your success. Success. Right. Because obviously they crucified Jesus. They stoned Stephen, and the world is going to reject us. And that is actually a sign that we're doing something right. Jesus said, woe to you when all people speak well of you. Wow, I'm doing great. We're all doing. We're all doing great. Then.
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Mikey McCoy
Just remember that we gotta wrap up Ali because she's got places to go and people to see and great things to.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
I'm gonna do a Prove Me Wrong.
- [80:48]
Mikey McCoy
Oh, I love it. I love it. You're gonna love that.
- [80:50]
Allie Beth Stuckey
I can't wait.
- [80:51]
Mikey McCoy
So, everybody, Ali Beth Stuckey.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
Thank you so much.
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Mikey McCoy
One.
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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