The Charlie Kirk Show, January 30, 2026

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – January 30, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Charlie Kirk (plus panel: Blake, Terrence Bates, Ben Burkin, Ali Beth Stuckey, Jillian Barbary, Mikey McCoy)
Date: January 30, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the arrest of former CNN anchor Don Lemon in connection with a controversial protest in Minnesota, exploring its implications for press freedom, protest culture, law enforcement, and social media-driven outrage. The hosts dissect the broader cultural and political climate, touch on the role of social media “rage bait,” the weaponization of empathy, and shifting paradigms in American political discourse. The show features reactions, analysis, listener Q&A, and a notable interview with Ali Beth Stuckey on “toxic empathy” and Christian civic engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking News: Don Lemon Arrested

(01:56–04:19, revisited frequently)

• Charlie Kirk details the breaking news: Don Lemon was arrested by federal agents in Los Angeles in connection with coverage of a politically charged protest (storming of a church in St. Paul, Minnesota by anti-ICE activists).
• Panel context: There are concerns about journalism and protest being criminalized.
• Key Quote – Charlie Kirk (03:05):

  "That is indeed a chilling moment here for a journalist in the United States of America doing his job as a journalist and being charged for it."

• Questions of Lemon’s journalistic neutrality arise; he is accused of aiding and encouraging illegal protest activity within a house of worship.
• Blake (11:05):

  "This guy went and joined a group...who busted into a church during worship to harass a worship leader they say is involved with ICE. That is not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone."

Timestamps:

• [01:59] Initial news and context
• [10:09] Reading Don Lemon’s legal defense statement
• [11:05] Panel critique of Lemon’s actions
• [14:09] Legal statutes cited: 18 U.S.C. § 241 (conspiracy to deprive rights), 18 U.S.C. § 248 (FACE Act violation)

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2. Media & Public Reactions – "No One Above the Law"

(11:48, 13:20, 14:40)

• Media figures like Brian Stelter and Molly Jong-Fast are called out for portraying Lemon as a victim of government overreach.
• Recurring soundbite of Don Lemon:

  "Nobody is above the law." — played for ironic emphasis (14:40, 14:48)

• Panel debates the consistency and context of “press freedom” advocacy.

Memorable exchange:

• Blake (14:53):

  "Any time one of these goons gets arrested, we just have Don Lamond's...voice descend upon us: 'Nobody is above the law.'"

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3. The Role of Race, Empathy, and Ideology

(04:19–06:35; 15:43–16:18; 29:18–35:49)

• Race issues and empathy are repeatedly debated, with the argument that the left uses identity narratives and “toxic empathy” to manipulate political and legal outcomes.
• Ali Beth Stuckey Interview (29:18–35:49): Explores her book "Toxic Empathy" and the idea that progressives exploit Christian compassion to advance radical policies.
• Ali Beth Stuckey (30:53):

  "We should have compassion for all different kinds of people, but that compassion should not lead us to affirm sin or support really destructive policy..."

• Importance of seeing “the humanity in everyone” without sacrificing law, justice, or conservative principle.

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4. Social Media Rage-Bait, Algorithms, and Mass Hysteria

(17:50–24:44, 35:49–39:41)

• Charlie and Blake: Discuss how social media platforms sensationalize anti-ICE, anti-police, and protest content to inflame emotions, even in conservative-leaning feeds.
• Comparison with the 2020 BLM protests – emotional “slop,” visual triggers (e.g., sad children at the border), and how narrative lies travel faster than debunkings.
• Ali Beth Stuckey (38:29):

  "When you put up a picture of a child...that evokes something in you...But when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it...it is really hard to compete against an image with logic, with questions..."

• Call for critical thinking, independent verification, and resisting emotional manipulation.
• Charlie Kirk (40:14):

  "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants...they know that it's effective."

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5. "Assassination Culture" and Martyrdom Narratives

(17:54–19:32)

• Discussion of protesters being willing to risk arrest or worse for illegal immigrants, likened to religious martyrdom—but for secular, leftist causes.
• Panel references high-profile violent incidents (the Luigi Mangioni case) and hazards of justifying violence against law enforcement under the guise of activism.

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6. Law, Order, and Political Calculus

(26:05–27:45, 54:42–58:39)

• Senate’s emergency funding deal for DHS/ICE, government shutdown aversion.
• Panel debates what political strategies Republicans should adopt in face of growing protest unrest as the midterm elections approach.
• Emphasis on the cyclical pattern of protest-driven media outrage and its potential to backfire on Democrats, referencing historic examples (2020, Nixon in 1968).

7. Q&A: Christianity, Church Engagement, and School Activism

(68:10–81:50)

• Callers discuss classical Christian education, Club America chapters for homeschoolers, and the perennial question of whether churches should avoid “political” involvement.
• Mikey McCoy:

  "The fact that a church is too weak to even have a Club America chapter...says a lot about the church...these are the types of churches that close their doors during COVID..."

• Panel urges listeners to seek courageous churches willing to engage civically in alignment with Christian values.

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8. Who Should Be Prosecuted Next?

(86:51–94:14)

• Panel fantasizes about who else they'd like to see indicted or held accountable (‘white pill’ moment).

  • Top targets: Alejandro Mayorkas, Adam Schiff, Letitia James, Fani Willis, John Bolton, Anthony Fauci, various left-leaning DAs and AGs.
  • Critique of sanctuary city policies and NGOs facilitating illegal immigration.

• Blake:

  "You really need to start bulking up the legal case for everyone involved in the sanctuary city sham."

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9. Donor Networks & George Soros

(94:14–96:34)

• Caller asks why George Soros et al. elude accountability despite funding protest/activism infrastructure.
• Panel discusses legal challenges, mentions the need to modify federal RICO laws to target those who “foment riots” and explores the broad network of left-leaning NGOs.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Charlie Kirk (03:05):

  "That is indeed a chilling moment here for a journalist...and being charged for it. That is not..."

• Blake (11:05):

  "That's not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone. And he's cheering it on as like, oh, yeah, that's the price of protest..."

• Ali Beth Stuckey (30:53):

  "We should have compassion for all different kinds of people, but that compassion should not lead us to affirm sin or support really destructive policy..."

• Blake (38:29):

  "Imagery is compelling...But when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it...it is really hard...to compete against an image with logic."

• Charlie Kirk (40:14):

  "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants..."

• Mikey McCoy (78:17):

  "Club America...isn't even objectively political...the fact that a church is too weak to even have a Club America chapter...says a lot about the church."

• Charlie Kirk (82:51):

  "Don't be afraid to go to another church...the churches that have the courage of their own convictions are going to be the churches that thrive."

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Important Timestamps

• 01:59 – Don Lemon arrest announcement and implications
• 10:09 – Reading of Don Lemon’s legal statement
• 14:40/14:48 – “Nobody is above the law” soundbite satire
• 29:18–35:49 – Ali Beth Stuckey interview on "Toxic Empathy"
• 35:49–39:41 – Social media’s role in emotional manipulation
• 54:42–58:39 – Listener Q: What’s next if protests escalate?
• 68:10–81:50 – Listener Q: Church, politics, and American values in education
• 86:51–94:14 – Panel: Who else should be prosecuted?

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Episode Takeaway

The episode provides a sharp, combative look at the intersection of journalism, protest, law enforcement, and the culture wars shaping American society in 2026. The hosts argue that emotional manipulation via social media and “toxic empathy” have overtaken reasoned debate and law, while emphasizing the need for critical thinking and unwavering adherence to foundational values like law, order, and moral clarity. Throughout, they call on their audience for courage—both in online discourse and in civic and church life—as political polarization and activism continue to intensify.

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Transcript

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

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[Terrence Bates]

Nobody is above the law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Nobody's above the law. It was just minutes ago confirming that former CNN anchor Don Lemon has been arrested by federal agents in Los Angeles just after midnight this morning at a hotel. This obviously all in connection with that storming of a church in St. Paul, Minnesota by that group of anti ice agitators.

[Ben Burkin]

A disturbing escalation against reporting in America. And I would also put it in the framework of protest. You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests, especially the kind of provocative anti Trump protest action that we have seen makes the administration so uncomfortable. This is an action, this arrest of Don Lemon and this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting in Minnesota. This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding. They've been wanting to see it happen. When Trump promised retribution. This is the kind of retribution that some of his Voters, not all, but some of his voters wanted to see, and I think that is, for better or for worse, some of the context, what we're seeing this morning.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lemon says he was acting as a journalist. He was not participating in the protest.

[Terrence Bates]

He was covering the protest.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was my question. And if that is the case, if that's the case, that is indeed a chilling moment here for a journalist in the United States of America doing his job as a journalist and being charged for it. That is not.

[Jillian Barbary]

He conduct interviews inside the. I mean, I know the protest was.

[Charlie Kirk]

Happening, and so he followed the protest.

[Blake]

In to cover the story.

[Charlie Kirk]

At any point did he take part? Yeah, we'll see if we have footage here. But he did. He interviewed some of the protesters. He interviewed some parishioners. He interviewed. I think he tried to talk to the minister at one point, you know, which was perhaps disruptive in that moment. But again, he's acting as a journalist. Think about the countries where journalists are targeted by the federal government, by their governments. Russia, China, Turkey, they're not democracies. I mean, this kind of thing, it's a shot across the bow right towards the free press. And it's scared.

[Ben Burkin]

Has said all along that he was there, not as an activist, but as a journalist. In fact, he was saying those words and repeating that out loud when he was inside the church. But he clearly knew something was taking place place that day with the protesters. He told his viewers on YouTube to stay tuned because there was something about to happen.

[Charlie Kirk]

We had belly chains around our waist and we had handcuffs with bars in the middle. As someone who majored in African American studies, I can tell you that that is the closest I ever felt to slavery in my life. Being shackled as if I was a slave.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Let's get be honest.

[Charlie Kirk]

This administration has decided that it wants.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

To target anybody who has a little bit of melanin in their skin or target people simply because of an accent from other states.

[Ben Burkin]

There's been 88,000 criminal illegal aliens arrested in Texas, 34,000 in Florida, 30,000 in California, 12,000 New York, 12,000 in Georgia. Yet we haven't seen the same level of chaos in any of those states as we have in Minnesota and in particular, one city, Minneapolis.

[Charlie Kirk]

We don't want these roving patrols of ICE agents suddenly showing up at polling stations during primaries or general elections. We may have a major vote in Virginia about redistricting.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

I've already met with ag. We are putting out information on what helping New Jerseyans know their rights. We are not going to allow any ICE raids to be staged from state properties and we are also going to be standing up a portal so people can upload all their cell phone videos and alert people like if you see an ICE agent in the street, get your phone out. I think the murder of Renee Goode, the murder of Alex Preddy, putting children on planes and taking them to detention centers, which are really concentration camps. Call it what it is. And I know you don't want to participate in something radical. I don't either. But it is happening all around you. It's happening around you. I think it's time to talk to the neighbors. In real life. It's time to talk to your neighbors, find out if they're MAGA or not, and start to plan. When I hear from my followers in Minnesota, they describe a very sophisticated channel of a system of things that they do to help one another. And they use encrypted apps but they organize in small groups. So I'm just telling you guys, live your life but be conscious of this and if you're silent, you're complicit.

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Yes. You have? All right, so Don Lamond has been arrested. Yes, yes, I know. And I woke up to this news without even looking into any of the reaction. I didn't see a single reaction. And I knew it was going to say that this is an assault on the freedom of the press, possibly an.

[Blake]

Assault on their democracy. My. No, our democracy.

[Charlie Kirk]

That this is something you see in Russia. That this has been imported by the fascists in the White House and everything's out of control. A high escalation. No. Okay, guys, none of this is true. None of it is remotely true. But shall we just start with reading Don Lamond's lawyer statement? Don Lemon was taken into custody by federal agents last night in Los Angeles, where he was covering the Grammy Awards. Don has been a journalist for 30 years, and his constitutionally protected work in Minneapolis was no different than what he has always done. The First Amendment exists to protect journalists whose role it is to shine light on the truth and to hold those in power accountable. There is no more important time for people like Don to be doing this work. Instead of investigating the federal agents who killed two peaceful Minnesota protesters, the Trump Justice Department is devoting its time, attention and resources to this arrest. And that is the real indictment of wrongdoing in this case. The unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand. Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly.

[Blake]

You can unpack like three or four different lies in this two paragraph statement. Like, so. First of all, just that line really galls me. To protect journalists whose role is to shine light on the truth and hold those in power accountable. This guy was not haranguing a lawmaker. This guy was not disclosing classified documents. This guy went and joined a group of people who busted into a church during worship to Harass a worship leader they say is involved with ice. That is not holding people in power accountable. That is helping a bunch of people harass someone. And he's. And he's cheering it on as like, oh, yeah, that's the. That's the price of protest as all these kids sob. Well, that's that 6 year old who's crying in church. Yeah, you're really holding the powerful accountable, Don.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And the. There's that instance, but he actually on video kissed the lead protester, said thank you for your service, cheered them on. There he is kissing the protester. This is.

[Blake]

That stress him out a little bit.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. She's now claiming that when she was arrested that she was like a slave because she studied this in school. Blake. You know, the power of a. Of a college degree. Yeah.

[Blake]

And I don't know, I kind of just doubt these people study.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I don't know if they studied anything. So predictably, the media freakout is real, and it is being led by none other than Brian Stelter fuming about his former colleague at CNN being arrested. 503.

[Ben Burkin]

A disturbing escalation against reporting in America. And I would also put it in the framework of protests. You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests, especially the kind of provocative anti Trump protest action that we have seen makes the administration so uncomfortable. This is an action, this arrest of Don Lemon, this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting in Minnesota. This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding. They've been wanting to see it happen when Trump promised retribution. This is the kind of retribution that some of his voters, not all, but some of his voters wanted to see. And I think that is, for better or for worse, some of the context, what we're seeing this morning.

[Terrence Bates]

Hmm.

[Charlie Kirk]

Molly Jung, fast, very, very upset. If you don't know who she is, consider yourself lucky. 498. Think about the countries where journalists are targeted by the federal government, by their governments. Russia, China, Turkey, they're not democracies. I mean, this kind of thing, it's a. It's a shot across the country, bow right towards the free press. And. And it's.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

It's scary.

[Blake]

I feel like I was time warping back to 2014.

[Charlie Kirk]

Countries where journalists are.

[Blake]

Has she ever worked at National Public Radio? I need to find out. National Public Radio doesn't pop up. That's impossible for me to comprehend.

[Charlie Kirk]

Guys. He was just arrested for doing his job for 95. And again, I keep coming back to this, and the context here is that.

[Blake]

You know, Don Lemon has been an enemy of the MAGA movement for quite some time.

[Charlie Kirk]

He's disliked by the Trump administration.

[Terrence Bates]

That doesn't matter.

[Charlie Kirk]

What matters here is he was being a journalist who was doing his job and has now been arrested for doing his job. Like, the reactions were so predictable and.

[Blake]

Just, yeah, like, you know, I think he might have a defense if it was a 100% neutral report. And he's like, this mob is going in and, like, I think people should see what's going on. It still might rub a lot of people the wrong way, but, like, he would have a defense, but he's clearly on Team Protester. He's kissing the protesters. He's cheering them on as these children sob in his immediate vicinity. And he was told to leave and refused to do so. He is a collaborator with the forcible disruption of a worship event, which is illegal.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well. And so he is facing. Just to be clear, 18 U.S. code 241, conspiracy to deprive rights. 18 U.S. code 248, violation of the Face Act. Terrorizing Christians is a mistake. It is illegal to do so, especially in their home and their place of worship. Don Lamond, you are not above the law. Which leads me to the final quote that I would like to play, which is from don Lamont in 2019. 5, 15.

[Terrence Bates]

Nobody is above the law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Nobody's above the law. Can I get it again for the people in the back? 515.

[Terrence Bates]

Nobody is above the law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Nobody's above the law.

[Blake]

We should have that as a sound bite. We can just, like, have them, like, chime that in every time one of them gets arrested. We should do that. We should have that. Anytime one of these goons gets arrested, we just have Don Lamond's nobody, heavenly voice or hellish voice, whatever descend upon us.

[Charlie Kirk]

I agree. We played this. This is Nikima Levy Armstrong. This is the organizer of this very ill advised protest. No, this is. This is harassment. It's illegal. You can't do this in a house of worship. 506. We have belly chains around our waist and we had handcuffs with bars in the middle. As someone who majored in African American studies, I can tell you that that is the closest I ever felt to slavery in my life. Being shackled as if I was a slave.

[Blake]

Yeah, I'm actually gonna, you know, I'm gonna do something surprising. I'm going to agree with her. That is the closest she's ever been to slavery. Because America is not the insane.

[Charlie Kirk]

Good. She says, good take.

[Blake]

She's Not a slave. Thank goodness, thank heavens for the Christian crusaders who made that reality.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen. And that's a good take. It's a really good take. It just proves that your whole life has been really, really privileged and really, really redeemed from previous eras and epics like in which black people thank God.

[Blake]

The closest any of us will ever be to slavery is being handcuffed in the battle when we commit crimes.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, but here's the other thing. We just have to call it out. I studied African American studies and I know, and it's like, stop. Just anytime you start a sentence with here's my degree, this is why I, you know, I can have this opinion. You just need to stop because nobody cares. And by the way, if you're going to claim that you got an African American studies degree or whatever, we're, we're going to really judge you because that's a stupid degree to get. I'm just going to say it. You don't commit crimes. You don't break into churches. It's pretty, pretty straightforward. Okay, now we're going to transition the next segments. We're going to talk about why these people think that they're righteous for doing this. We're going to talk about what could possibly motivate people to one, storm a church, but two, also put their bodies on the line to become, let's just call it what it is, suicide by cop, suicide by law enforcement. There are kamikaze Karens all over the Internet that have been convinced that this is something righteous to do. We'll explain why. We'll be right back. I don't want you to consider the different situations where people would be willing to die, people would be willing to die in war.

[Blake]

In the past, maybe now people, people don't really commit themselves to things.

[Charlie Kirk]

People would be willing to die in war. Secondly, it's still happening. That's how I know it's true. People would be willing to die for their family, for their kids. Right? We commend a mom that would be willing to run in front of a bus to save her child. And people would be willing to die for their faith. We call them martyrs. Charlie was a martyr. But that's what makes what's happening in Minneapolis and around the country so disturbing is because people are apparently willing to die to protect illegal immigrants that have no business being in this country because they are brown coated and the law enforcement are white coded or imperialist versus colonialist versus oppressor versus oppressed. All of these frameworks are at play. It's an ideology, it's a cult. So assassination culture is one thing and we should talk about that with Mangione.

[Blake]

That's the other news today. If people haven't heard. While we have had Don Lamont arrested, also today in federal court, they dismissed the highest murder charge against Luigi Mangioni. That would have left him open to the death penalty.

[Charlie Kirk]

Exactly.

[Blake]

Death penalty is off the table for a guy who went and hunted a father because of the job he had and assassinated him in cold blood.

[Charlie Kirk]

So at the very least, we know he's going to live out the rest of his days.

[Blake]

I'm worried, you know, I'm actually worried on that front. It's just been one thing after another. The left, we've seen this with the attacks on ICE where the left will basically do jury nullification for someone who does a ramming attack on ICE officers. It's 12 people. You need unanimity. You only need one of them to decide. Actually, I like what this guy did.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's true. Let's hope that doesn't happen. But you're absolutely right to flag it as a concern. And listen, assassination culture is terrible. We've warned about it. Charlie warned about it, which is one of the tragedies of tragedies. But for the ability to convince other people to sacrifice their lives for by death by suicide would be one thing, but death by suicide by law enforcement is a whole other thing. So this is what's interesting. So we commend martyrs in a faith sense. Christian martyrs are heroes. Charlie was a hero. We commend people that die in war for a righteous cause. And then there's people that will die for family. And what's interesting enough about this is that, you know, the left is a godless movement. They have abandoned God. They have distanced themselves from any types of traditional spirituality in the most part. And what's fascinating is that they have been convinced to do so for immigration, for illegal immigrants, for illegal immigrant criminals that have been oftentimes found guilty of homicide, child rape, trafficking, drug trafficking. And it is a fascinating show because the CIA would be jealous of this. The color revolution is that we have talked about in foreign countries would be would marvel at the ability to get so many people in mass to believe a lie. And that is what we are watching. The left has managed to hijack, hijack traits of patriotism, faith and family. Three things that they actively oppose. Yet they still understand that the power that could be wielded by these ties is so powerful, its motivation so deep, that they come from These natural structures, these God given structures that we are all supposed to be behind. And they've hijacked them. And so they believe that they are in a literal physical war. Their religion of tolerance is under attack by the rule of law, by law and order. And they have substituted what is a real family, the nuclear family, the God given family. And now they talk about their comrades, the movement, the global citizenry, the oppressed, the marginalized. That's their new family. And so I just think it's a really fascinating thing. And where does all of this happen? It's happening on social media. The algorithms are designed to divide us. The algorithm on your social media is going to be different than mine, different than Blake's. The algorithms are going to give you what you want to see. They're going to reinforce your biases. They're going to reinforce the things that you already think, feel and see. So even when you see a counter opinion, that opinion is supposed to enrage you. It's supposed to send you off a cliff and think, how could these people be so ignorant? It's not going to give you the content that maybe would help you see things from a different perspective. It's supposed to enrage you, supposed to make you hate those people. And our next guest is going to be Ali Beth Stuckey from the Blaze. She's been calling out and warning about the Instagram slop that she is seeing. Now. She is a conservative Christian woman. She's one of the leaders of that space. And what is she seeing? Even in her Instagram feed she's seeing rage, bait, anti ice slop. Even in her self selected conservative Christian female American algorithm, it is being inundated with anti slop. And what is it leading to? It's leading to kamikaze Karens in the streets of Minneapolis that are willing to sacrifice their lives. It's leading to walkouts at high schools all across the country. We're seeing that here in Phoenix today and across the country. It's leading to a degradation and a delegitimization of law enforcement.

[Blake]

It's really scary if she's. And I'm not surprised at all because I remember George Floyd in 2020. I remember huge amounts. It wouldn't be slop at that time we didn't have AI, but it was the extreme vulnerability of people who should know better to this emotional manipulation of the left. It's an extremely powerful emotional manipulation machine to present you with images to make you feel bad, to really reinforce them. With a lot of people all freaking out at the Same time. And you get in this bubble that can last really, until everything boils over. And with Floyd, with Floyd Palooza, you remember, it took years to build up to that. It started like with Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and they would come and go and it would come and it would go and it would get more and more intense. And finally they burned down half the country. Well, and then people got a little over it. And we're seeing it with this ICE where I think they're building up this bigger psychosis. And I'm very worried about where that might end up, where they'll just get whipped up until finally some lunatic who sees, oh, Luigi Mangione is a hero and he's not even going to get executed. Or frankly, Tyler Robinson. Some people think he's a hero and they'll think, I can be like that person. And they'll go and they'll buy a gun and they'll go and try to shoot a bunch of ICE agents. I think that is what we're building towards.

[Charlie Kirk]

I completely agree. And it's a pattern. They're playing us off the same pattern. It's the same people that believed and fell for the BLM and the black square hoax. Same people that believed in the pronouns in the bio, the believe all women, the defund police, the vax and mask, if you love your neighbor, all of the same things. They're falling for it again. And those same people are falling for it and spreading their influence all over Instagram and TikTok. Brett Kavanaugh's a rapist. Trump is a racist, Trump's Hitler. It's the same pattern to enrage, divide, to spread lies without anybody pushing back against them because the algorithm has already decided that that's not gonna happen. Do not fall for the pattern. Do not fall for the rage bait, build up immunities. Think critically. And I really believe that that's the key. We are losing our ability to think critically and we have to call it out and hopefully see a revitalization of critical thinking skills and independent thinking. We'll be right back with Ali Beth Stuckey. More from President Trump's press conference as well in the break.

[Terrence Bates]

A Senate vote that's going to be coming up in just a couple of hours. We're expecting it's about a measure that's meant to keep the government funded and avert a government shutdown money for the Department of Homeland Security. Security and by extension, ICE is a major sticking point here. We do know that the US Senate is expected to vote on that measure as soon as today, what we're hearing is that five funding bills will be passed in order to keep the government open. And what will happen with the funding bill specific for the Department of Homeland Security, which of course includes ice, There will be a two week continuing resolution. So basically it will buy time for U.S. senate to basically talk about that particular funding bill and do more negotiations over the next two weeks. We'll continue to cover that very story throughout the day. Meantime, President Trump endorsing that spending bill. As I said, it was brokered by Senate Democrats and Republicans and it will keep most of the government open. Under the deal, the Senate is going to vote on the five appropriation bills before tonight's deadline. As I just mentioned, they'll also continue to negotiate on the sixth one, which includes funding for the Department of Homeland Security and by extension ice. In order to buy time to negotiate. The Senate is now expected to pass that two week continuing resolution. There's also a chance that parts of the government could still shut down, though, over the weekend even if the Senate does pass those measures. House Speaker Mike Johnson says that members of the House aren't scheduled to be back in Washington until Monday. And it might be difficult getting enough lawmakers back over the weekend should the House need to approve any changes in the Senate spending plans. Make sure that you stay tuned for that. And while Senate Democrats push to pull funding from dhs, the agency is also continuing to apprehend and arrest the worst of the worst. We're talking about violent, criminal, illegal aliens like sexual predators and pedophiles. While on the ground in Minneapolis on Thursday, Attorney General Pam Bondi announced that there were 16 arrests. The charges included assaulting, resisting or impeding federal agents as well. Bondi says, and I'm quoting here, nothing will stop DOJ from enforcing the law. Well, that's going to do it for your headlines. We appreciate you being here with us.

[Charlie Kirk]

Foreign.

[Mikey McCoy]

RESET stops here.

[Charlie Kirk]

The CHARLIE KIRK show.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. We are joined by Ali Beth Stuckey, host of relatable podcast Blaze tv. Check it out there. Also, she is the author of a book called Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion. And that has been targeted by none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. Remember her? Which is. Yeah. Which is so cool. Viewers, I am so jealous of Ali Beth Stuckey for getting targeted by Hillary Rodham Clinton. So without further ado, Ali, welcome back to the show.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah, thank you so much.

[Blake]

Can you, can you introduce Hillary Rodham Clinton to our younger viewers? They may not be familiar with her at this point.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Hillary Rodham Clinton back in the day. You know Trump. Everyone knows Trump. Right. Well, we got Kamala Harris, but long, long time ago, when a lot of you were maybe just being born, he went up against someone named Hillary Clinton. She's not a newbie. She's got a long and storied history in American politics. And I was not expecting this new bur of publicity for me and my book that came out over a year ago from none other than Secretary Clinton, but here we are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, congratulations. She has a lot to say about you. She called you the, I think, the commissar of MAGA morality, which is so hard. Yeah, it goes so hard. Very good. I mean, I love how she sort of, you know, filtered in her own little communist language there, her vocabulary. She says. The author of Toxic Empathy, who styles herself a voice for Christian women, has more than a million followers on social media. And it goes on. This commissar of MAGA morality targets other evangelicals whose empathy, she warns, has left them open to manipulation. Maybe they recognize the humanity of an undocumented immigrant family and decide that mass deportation has gone too far.

[Blake]

Or.

[Charlie Kirk]

Or they make space in their heart for a young rape survivor forced to carry a pregnancy to term and start questioning the wisdom and morality of total abortion bans. It's all toxic to Stuckey, your response?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah. You know, I just appreciate that she gave me two blatant examples of toxic empathy. We should see the humanity in an illegal immigrant because they're made in the image of God. That should not lead us to want to prohibit deportations or the enforcement of our common sense immigration law. We should have compassion for the rape survivor who is now pregnant. That should not lead us to support the death penalty for the baby. So this is exactly my point, that we should be having compassion for all different kinds of people, but that compassion should not lead us to affirm, sin, or support really destructive policy, both for our families and for our country. So thank you so much, Hillary, for being an example of that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so this reminded me of a rant that. Please get me the clip, guys. The Greg Gutfeld rant. I can't find it right now, but it is so spot on. And actually, I said something similar yesterday reacting to the Bruce Springsteen clip. Or he's got this new song out in the streets of Minneapolis and he's talking about, we won't forget their names as they roam and kill the ICE agents, and we won't forget Renee Goode and Alex Preddy. And it instantly occurred to me, Ali that we have no songs for Lake and Riley. We have no songs for Rachel Morin, we have no songs for Jocelyn Nungaree. We have no songs for Molly Tibbets. We do not have any of that. And yet the selective outrage is so is such that we have a song now for what's happening in Minneapolis. What do you think it is about Minneapolis that is so enraging for the progressive left?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Look, I think it's exactly what we're talking about. They now have victims that they can venerate as saints and as martyrs. We saw that. Of course, you have talked about it with Anna Navarro saying that Alex Preddy was the kind of guy that you would want to bring home for your daughters. Just absolutely absurd stuff. You can debate what actually happened when he lost his life without elevating him to this level that they elevated George Floyd, which was basically that he was a perfect person sent by God to show us what injustice really looks like. And they're not going to waste a tragedy. They're not going to waste a loss, a loss of life. They are going to use it to advance their cause, which is chaos and open borders, destruction. This audience knows everything about that. But they are going to leverage your natural compassion, your instinctive empathy to manipulate you into believing that supporting their policies is the only way to be a good person and advance the cause of justice. And I just want everyone, this is the whole purpose of what I do, the purpose of my book. To step back and say I can see the humanity in Alex Preddy and Renee Good without supporting a policy that would lead to defunding the police or defunding ice that would lead more Lake and Riley's and more Molly Tibbets and more Kate Steinle's. Because I love my neighbor. And by the way, Lake and Riley was my neighbor, too. And because I care about her and I care about innocent life, I'm going to continue to support immigration enforcement.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, it's so clear. And you see 20% drop in murders, historic drop in murders. You see law and order getting returned to the streets of Memphis, Washington D.C. and elsewhere. You see the fruits of fentanyl deaths are plummeting because we're actually taking that seriously. Women are not getting trafficked over the southern border. We're not missing another 500,000 underage minors that happen to be from south of the border. Where was the empathy for these things? And this is why I am just so. I love this clip. Greg Gutfeld went off yesterday. 524. Nothing you said matters. None Every. Welcome back, Greg. No, everything you said does not matter because. No, no, it doesn't. Because everything you mentioned are the consequences of. Oh, you go ahead and stop. How did we get here? Pull back. How did we get here? An open border that let millions in and you guys didn't give two hours. Okay, all right, all right, all right. We had dozens of deaths where. You didn't say. Jocelyn Nungaree, Lake and Riley. Rachel Morin, Molly Tibbets. Here's three pages of women who have been murdered by illegal aliens in the last, like seven or eight years. The seven or eight years that we've been here talking about this and mocked over it. He goes on. And I, I put it on my, my X page, so please check that out. It was, it was vintage Greg Gutfeld. You have been calling out where a lot of this rage is coming from, though, and it's on Instagram. Now, you are a conservative Christian. You probably follow a lot of conservative Christians, and yet you have been observing a trend on Instagram. What is it? And why are you sounding the alarm?

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

It's 2020 all over again. I remember when I Woke up on June 2nd or 3rd in 2020, and I thought my Instagram was glitching because I saw these black squares take over my feed, even from people who call themselves Christian Conserv. And maybe they had a Bible verse underneath, but some of them said, you know, black Lives Matter. And the underlying common assumption in all of that was that George Floyd died because of systemic racism, because Derek Chauvin was racist. And the only question that I asked in my head and then later publicly was, how do I know that's true? How do I know that's true? And frankly, I had read too much Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams at that point to be duped by all of it. So I just started pointing out that your compassion is lopsided. You don't have any compassion for all of these innocent people who are being killed by the rioters. That's the definition of injustice. Punishing someone for something that they did not do. Which is exactly what happened with the chaos of 2020. And the same thing, of course, is happening today. Everyone feels the pressure to signal their virtue. And what bothers me is that people who never pipe up about politics, who never say anything about what's going on when Biden or Obama is president, all of the so called kids in cages, the minors separated from parents and lost under the Biden administration, now feel the urgency to say, oh, I've got to pipe up about Politics. I'm like, look, there's a long list of injustices that occur when Trump is not president that I and others would have loved your voice on. I never hear you talk about abortion. I never hear you talk about the kids whose bodies are being chopped up because they've been told that they are the wrong gender. I don't hear you talk about any of those injustices. So at least be fair. At least be fair. But you should ask yourself, why is your public outrage completely dictated by what the liberal media says is wrong? And if you can't be fair, just be quiet.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, It's.

[Blake]

There's something about this, like. It's that ability to just get. It's like a hitting a light switch, the ability to get whipped up entirely, selectively, based on who's in office, who, what's on the news, and it cries out for a better social, like, psychological explanation. And I'm not entirely sure what it is because, like, what's going on in this person's head, where you didn't care about these things until 10 minutes ago, suddenly it's all important. And then you. You could, like, even move on and change your views. And it's like total amnesia that had ever happened, which we've all seen. We've seen the people who were entirely whipped up, for example, in Florida Palooza. And then today, it's like it never happened. What. Why do you care about that? And it happens so many things.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Imagery is compelling. And when you put up a picture of a child in his little blue toboggan, looking sad, standing alone with, you know, federal agents, that evokes something in you. And by the way, it should. That's something good in your heart. If you saw that picture and you're like, oh, my gosh, that poor child. But when that is decontextualized and a completely fabricated narrative is attached to it, and that is what first circulates, it is really hard for me, for you, for anyone else, to compete against an image, to compete against a picture with logic, with questions. Telling people to not allow their emotion to arrest their critical thinking is really hard because we are all, especially women, emotional creatures. And as we've talked about, as Charlie talked about so often, the progressives don't have the same moral limits that we do. Whereas we don't want to lie, we don't want to misrepresent, even if it advances our cause, progressives have an ends justify the means mentality. That means if this lie gets ICE agents off the street, then it'll all be worth it. It's just hard to compete with. Not impossible, but difficult.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you think about it, Ali, because you think. Remember that Nicholas Sandman instance where it was. It looked like this young Maga, young.

[Blake]

You know, they said a mob surrounded an Indian elder and harassed him for no reason.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it took years in a massive lawsuit to clear his name. And I bet despite that, there is still millions of left wingers and progressives that only get their news from one or two sources that still believe that he was attacking an Indian elder. And you think about that, there are.

[Blake]

Still people who think hands up, don't shoot was true.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was fake. And by the way, there's still people that think that a lot of people, by the way, that think it was somebody from MAGA that killed Charlie. Because these lies are allowed to be perpetuated and they're not corrected. But it's the first lie, the first image that ends up making the biggest impact. And. Right. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put on its pants. And that is really, I think, a tactic that is being weaponized and used because they know that it's effective. And to your point, they don't have the same restraints. I remember during some of the conspiracy theories that we were confronting, which, by the way, you've been amazing on with Ali, I got a question from a very prominent person online, and we were talking about, well, what do you do to confront them? And the question was posed to me, how evil are you willing to be? And I said, I'm not. And they said, well, that really limits your options here. I was like, okay. And we're not up against a political movement or an ideology that has those constraints. I think it's a really important insight you just pointed out More with Allie Beth Stuckey on the other side of this break. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. I want to tell you guys about our friends over at why refi.why refi.com Private Student Loan debt in the United States, as I've told you, is at around $300 billion. Even Blake knows the stats. Now. 45 billion of that is labeled as distressed. Why Refi refinances distressed or default to private student loans that others refuse to touch. They provide you with a custom loan payment, and that is the key. A custom loan payment that will help you pay your monthly bill. So you're not gonna get behind anymore. And I just met with these guys. They not only are good people, but their whole mission is about helping you And I saw that firsthand, that they wake up, they go to their office, they take phone calls and they have pictures of people like you that have gotten out from under their desk. And some of them have called them depressed, suicidal. The stories would blow you away. And I heard them firsthand. So I don't know where you're at on this. You know, in the spectrum of your mental health when it comes to your debt, and especially if it's private student loan debt. But you do not have to live this way. So please call the [e-mail] it's a good company, good morals, good vision, good mission. And they care about you. They care about Turning Point, they care about this country. And they want to help you out. They want to help you get out from under your desk. So again, call them 888 yrefi34 or log on to yrefy.com yrefi.com may not be available in all 50 states, but if you are in one of those states where it's available, they can really, really help you out. We are here with Ali Beth Stuckey from the Blaze, host of Relatable and author of the probably newly rejuvenated sales of Toxic Empathy. So please check that out. I bet your publisher's very happy, Ali. Thank you. Thank you, Hillary Rodham Clinton. There's a piece here in the Federalist by Kylie Griswold and she's talking about the same phenomenon. I don't know if you've seen this piece. She's talking about Instagram and she's specifically for young women. She says the information is low, but the emotion is high. On Instagram, you'll learn that Immigration and Customs Enforcement used an innocent five year old as a bait and then arrested him. She says false. He was abandoned by his own illegal alien father. You'll learn that mother and legal observer Renee Goode was gunned down in the streets. False. She says the ice watch agitator aimed a weapon, aka her 2 ton SUV at a federal officer who had previously been run over by an illegal alien and then accelerated, hitting him and reportedly causing internal bleeding. You'll learn that the traumatic city's church disruption was First Amendment protected speech. And on and on it goes. What do we do? What are. I mean, what can be done about this prolifera proliferation? Almost got it. Of highly emotional propaganda.

[Blake]

Abolish all social media, Wallace.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Social media. Well, you know, I've had an Instagram for about 10 years now and man, I feel like every two years it's another propaganda battle. 2016, of course, it was Trump. 2018, it was Kavanaugh. 2020, it was Covid and George Floyd. 2022, it was Roe v. Wade being overturned. When we had that flurry of lies about, oh, because of pro life legislation, women are dying in emergency rooms, we had to debunk that. 2024, we had the election, and now here we are in 2026 and we've got a similar situation. And so I feel like I've been through the ringer here. But the hopeful thing is that back in 2020, I felt like I was one of the only white female evangelicals who was like, oh, actually, I don't think I want to post a black square. And I was confronted by prominent Christian leaders that this is the wrong move, this is divisive, this is racist. You should be, you know, a part of reconciliation. You should have more empathy. That's what inspired my book. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the facts are. I was told verbatim multiple times. Sometimes it doesn't matter what the truth is. You just have to express your empathy. And that is where I was like, no, nope. That is leading us in a really, really bad direction, because public messaging affects public opinion, which affects public policy, which affects the public. It affects people like, real lives are lost when we defund the police, when we exacerbate the riots and things like that. So the encouraging part, though, is that now, in 2026, six years later, I do feel when I look to my right and left, not politically, but when I look around, I see more people like me who have platforms, who are will say, I'm not going to join in with that. I'm not going to repost that. At least I'm going to take some time to figure out what's really going on. And then you've got other people who are, you know, courageous, being like, no, that's, that's not the right narrative. And actually, like, there are other circumstances going on here. And I don't think that that's true. So I'm encouraged by that. There are more of us now than there were six years ago. And so we just got to keep pushing. Obviously, it's working, or Hillary Rodham Clinton would not be out 6,000 words and the Atlantic to try to urge women back into her folds of toxic empathy. By the way, I get a full response to Hillary Clinton later today on, on my channel, but obviously they're scared, and so we got to keep slugging.

[Blake]

Yeah, the best hope I can have is maybe you think of how, like, television impacted people when it first came along and it fried a lot of brains. You look at, you look at an old propaganda reel in World War II, and if you watch it today, you think, this is really stupid. It's really in your face. And it. It just would not work anymore today because people have gotten used to it. And maybe that's the hope is with social media.

[Terrence Bates]

It.

[Blake]

We're still in the first generations to encounter this and it cooks our brains really bad. But people who maybe entirely grow up in it will hopefully get used to the manipulation tactics it uses. And we have to hope that because as you say, it's not just that they're easily propagandized, it's also a really dark thing, is the flattening of what maybe we call it like flattening of your moral register, where it's very common on, for people on social media to basically view a bad social media take or something they disagree with as equal or worse in moral heinousness to actually killing somebody, to actually committing a real life atrocity. And we've seen that over and over. There are people who have gotten canceled off social media who faced far worse effects on their lives than someone who committed a crime in real life where they'll get a moral cause in their favor and, oh, we need to make sure this person gets back on their feet. It's really.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's a great point.

[Blake]

It's very interesting. And it really drives home the importance of having good moral cultivation. I think we live with an ideal that it's like very easy. You can have naive morality and. No, it has to be cultivated. It's why we need good pastors. It's why we need good religious leaders, because a big part of their job is to have that level of moral cultivation to get past that first hurdle of what's your immediate visual emotional response?

[Charlie Kirk]

I totally agree. And we need moral courage from you in the audience. You listening to Ally show, listening to this show. We need you to get in the comments. When you see people manipulating you and propagandizing you with slop, you have to be brave. You have to be brave. And it's now where, I think we're now at a iteration of this, where we need more and more voices to rise up. Ali, final 30 seconds to you.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Yeah, you know, Blake, you just made such good points, both of you. But that flattening of like virtue and morality is why empathy should not be your guide, why moral truth has to be your guide, why virtue has to be your guide. It's not about getting rid of compassion. It's allowing your compassion to be guided by what is true, what is logically, factually true, but also what is biblically true. You can get exhausted by over untethered empathy, but God's ways stay the same. And if you follow that, you'll be headed in the right direction.

[Charlie Kirk]

The truth is unchanging. Stay anchored to it. Ali Beth, Ducky, thank you so much.

[Blake]

Amen.

[Charlie Kirk]

Next.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Ali Beth Stuckey]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Foreign. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Hour two is underway. This is Friday, so it's our ask me anything hour here@the bitcoin.com studios. You're one stop shop to buy, sell, trade, research, bitcoin, cryptocurrency, bitcoin.com we have Anthony first. Anthony, welcome to the show. Unmute yourself.

[Blake]

Is this sports? Anthony?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Yes.

[Blake]

Alrighty. Awesome.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, well, hopefully you guys are nice and warm as I'm freezing in western New York. It's 11 degrees, but feels like negative 7. So my question is this, where do we go? Like, if these riots or slash protests keep getting worse, where do we go next? Because we are in a midterm election year, we that could have a lot of issues. And as weather gets warmer in the snowbound states, you're going to probably see more of these protests outside, bigger. And we don't see any Democrat politician outside of Fetterman saying we need to stop, we need to get rid of ice that actually want to work with Republicans. Republicans, where do we go next? Because, and I know, Andrew, you said this, you're all about the Insurrection act. And I agree, you got to squash. We should have squashed this problem soon. But I'm also on the bench with using it because of being an election. Blake, do you want to say, by the way, we have Mikey.

[Blake]

Yeah, we do have Mikey here. So if you guys have specific questions for him, definitely loop them in. But we'll, he'll probably have a take on this one.

[Charlie Kirk]

There he is.

[Blake]

And it is a genuinely tough question because, because let's be really, there is a political calculus that enters that you want to win the midterms. You want to make it so you have a basically supportive Congress instead of one that's endlessly impeaching and investigating and who knows what, you know, what Mark Halpern talked about the other day. But I think we can remember there's sort of, I think there's limits to what they can do with this. And I think if they insist on having mass demonstrations, if they get really large, if it turns into riots, where they're destroying things, the American public is Going to get exhausted with this. And they will want to see resolve and strength shown in the face of this, which we did see, I think in 2020. I think that the 2020 election ultimately was better for us than it would have been otherwise because of backlash to the riots. That's actually what turned a lot of those Hispanic areas that shifted hard to the right unexpectedly. I think that was people reacting to seeing their neighborhoods torched. And I think if people are seeing my city is in total paralysis because of these lunatics who are harassing people, who are attacking officers, that will be able to work in our favor as long as we are good on our messaging, which is we're going after criminals. These people are trying to protect murderers, human traffickers, child predators, bad dudes, if you can make that case very clear. And also, also, let's be real, there's an element of chance to this. Cuz it is not good when you're having Alex Perdis, even if they're getting in it with cops, it's not good if they're getting shot in ways that seem not 100% justified. But on the other hand, these riders are also, they're lunatics and they can do stuff. So if we get violent attacks on ICE agents, which they're stoking every day, all these lawmakers with their insane Holocaust comparisons with their Gestapo stuff, stuff with their, like just outrightly, you know, saying we need to like take up arms practically, they are inviting insane, violent actions against people who are law enforcement agents. And I think if they keep recklessly egging that on, it will probably backfire on them.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Because you saw yesterday, Hakeem Jeffrey says we need to put Chrissy Noem on ice. When you use that term, that's like almost inciting violence.

[Blake]

Yeah, well, on ice usually means like storage.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I know what he's saying. There is a lot of playful rhetoric. You would say playful. I would say creative, colorful rhetoric from the left that is verging on incitement. Incitement, Blake has said many times on the show, has a very distinct and narrow definition in the United States. I think it's actually more of a good thing than a bad thing. But it does give people like Hakeem Jeffries, he's a lot of license to say really stupid things. Right. And I'll make a point here. I agree with Blake. So both sides are in a battle for the hearts and minds. What was frustrating about the Alex Preddy situation is that it was very clear immediately that this was a energizing moment for the left. I played a clip in hour one of Greg Gutfeld, and he continues on in that diatribe, which I thought was brilliant, and saying that they want another market, they want somebody else, that they can canonize a saint to fall in the streets of Minneapolis. This is why they're getting songs from people like Bruce Springsteen, who's a washed up, has been. But still, it's indicative of a larger battle for the hearts and minds. But as conservatives, we tend to think about that we're always on the losing side of this, but that if you're a Democrat, they think that they're on the losing side of this. This is why you have Hillary Rodham Clinton writing, you know, opinion pieces in the Atlantic, panic, wanting to reclaim what she thinks is empathy or compassion. So I would just say that they know that they have a line to draw to Blake's point. They cannot devolve into pure chaos like we saw in 2020, like we've seen in many other instances. Ultimately, chaos does not win. Law and order and, you know, peace. That's what people want. Right? And you think back to Nixon in 1968. There was a Vietnam War protest outside of the DNC that year that helped Nixon win. In 1968. He was the law and order president. Right. And so maybe the dynamics, the calculus is a little bit different, but we've seen this play out. Ultimately, you have to understand the left is a. Is a force of disorder, of chaos, and people do not like that at some fundamental level. And they can overplay their hand. And so that's why I was calling with Ali Bestucky, for people like you to get involved in the comments. Go on social media, go on Instagram, go on TikTok, go on X and Brigade, the comments, get in there, mix it up. Because ultimately, the propaganda will fail if the truth is louder than the lie. But that's a huge if. Mikey, let's get you in here.

[Mikey McCoy]

Yeah, no, I totally agree, guys. I think the left ultimately shoots themselves in the foot time and again. With what you saw after George Floyd burning down cities, you had average citizens walking on their porch like the McCloskeys with their guns to try to defend their homes because they didn't know what was going to happen. And they were a representation of the average rural voter that was like, okay, wait a minute. This has gotten out of hand. This could come to my neighborhood. They could burn down my house. I need to vote accordingly. And so we'll have to wait and see. I think that Republicans need to be very careful going into the midterms because a lot of this crazy leftist mentality has started to bleed into who they run for office. I mean, we thought it was going to be crazy if Jay Jones got elected in Virginia, but he ended up getting elected. This is a guy who was threatening to kill little kids. And now you have the DA of Philly saying that, you know, we have to hunt down ICE agents in the streets and calling them Nazis. And you have people running for office in Ohio that are saying if they win, they're gonna seek the death penalty for President Trump. And so this is what we can expect to see if Democrats win or steal the midterms. And it's ultimately bleeding past just a cultural movement on the left. These are people that they're running for elected office. The people who are burning down the Wendy's are the ones that they will inevitably run to be your district attorney, attorney to be your.

[Charlie Kirk]

Whatever it is. I think, I think what the point you're making, Mike, is that they can't help themselves. They always overshoot the mark. They always overplay their hand because it is fundamentally a movement without guardrails. It is a movement without a clearly defined morality. And you can hear this. President Trump just this morning echoed some of this. 5:36. We'll say it very plainly. Elections have consequences.

[Ben Burkin]

Is the people want law and order.

[Charlie Kirk]

And we have a silent majority.

[Ben Burkin]

You know, we have a silent majority of people. They don't go and write and everything else, but they like what we're doing.

[Charlie Kirk]

They like having a safe city.

[Ben Burkin]

I get calls every single day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Every person I see working in the.

[Ben Burkin]

White House, people I don't know many.

[Charlie Kirk]

People work here, and they say, I'd like to thank you, sir, why you've made Washington so great. We walk to work. They walk to work.

[Ben Burkin]

You. You people know it very well. You walk to work there, used to take an Uber.

[Charlie Kirk]

So ultimately, the truth has to be louder than the lie. And the message of law and order versus chaos, ultimately, you know, it's easier to fight something that's in power. It really is. It was easier for us when we were fighting Joe Biden because he was. He was. We were able to sort of cast him as the villain in a story, and that's easier for the normie mind to comprehend. It's harder to maintain power. It's harder to make your case case when you are actually in elected office. And right now, President Trump and we, we hold all three branches. So really quick here, if you guys want to get involved, members, dot, Charlie Kirk.com members. Charlie Kirk dot com. We have more questions waiting in the wings. We will get to them next. We'll be right back.

[Blake]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back. Some sad news. I. I don't know why this is so sad to me. I'm trying to entertain why. Why I'm having an emotional attachment. Catherine o', Hara, legendary actress from famous From Home Alone. It's probably because I watch it every Christmas.

[Blake]

Yeah, I just watch it. Both of them, this past Christmas. Mom from Home Alone. Kevin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. She is dead at 71. She's also famous for best in show. I don't think I'd get Schitt's Creek. I don't get. I don't know. I don't get in trouble for that. Right.

[Blake]

I only know Home Alone spelled C.

[Charlie Kirk]

H, I, T, T, S. It's a good.

[Blake]

Once again, I think I said it was my favorite Christmas film during our Christmas episodes. And it's a good film. It has a underrated Christmas message. I think once you're an adult, the whole theme with the old man who is estranged from his family and Kevin tells him, like, you need to reach out to your son.

[Charlie Kirk]

Call him.

[Blake]

The worst you can do is say no. Like that. That's a lot more moving as an adult than as a kid where you're kind of not really alert to these things necessarily. But so give it a watch either now or next Christmas.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here is something our team has pulled from one of her famous, more famous, I guess, performances here. 539. I haven't seen it. 539. Oh, Danny boy the pipes, the pipes are calling.

[Jillian Barbary]

From.

[Ali Beth Stuckey]

Inside.

[Charlie Kirk]

Danny. Boy.

[Blake]

Is that Schitt's Creek?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Mikey. I put it in the chat and you were like. No.

[Terrence Bates]

She.

[Mikey McCoy]

She was. She was an amazing actress. It was. It was. That's one of my favorite shows of all time, Schitt's Creek. I mean, but it is a. It's a sad reality. I mean, you guys talked about Home Alone. I just even remember growing up, up was like, that's something my mom would do. Like the just, you know, drop everything, do whatever is necessary to get home if she forgot her son. Right? And it's just she. She did such a great job in encompassing what a good mom is in America. But also she's a hilarious actress, too. So it's actually very sad. I didn't even know that.

[Blake]

So rest in peace. Give Home Alone watch. We have. Do we have Brandon as our next question. Brandon, unmute yourself. Are you there, there? Hey, guys. Howdy. So I just finished Battle for the American Mind by Pete Heth and David Goodwin earlier this month. And he talks about classical Christian education. And I could be wrong, but I never heard Charlie talk about it. And I. He always pushed homeschooling, which I. I agree with.

[Charlie Kirk]

With.

[Blake]

But I was just wondering why I never heard him talk about classical Christian education.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mikey.

[Blake]

Yeah, Mikey. Just as ultimately, I don't think there's.

[Mikey McCoy]

A reason why you didn't hear him talk about it a lot. I've heard him before a few times mention it. I don't think it's because he was against it, which is why you didn't hear him talk about it a ton. But he was really in favor of homeschooling. He was in favor of. Of bringing the Bible back into schools. He even launched Turning Point Academy, which is one of the programs at Turning Point usa, which we have a ton of different charter schools, which Charlie was also super big on. But I don't think it was because he was anti classical Christian education.

[Blake]

I'm trying to find if we'd maybe specifically mention it, you would remember this favor of it. I remember.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, Hutz, who runs Turning Point Academy, would probably say no. Charlie talked about it all the time. It might just be a failure of.

[Blake]

If we didn't mention like Mikey, you'd remember when we went to Idaho once, we stopped at a classical Christian academy, I believe. I can't remember the name of it, but.

[Mikey McCoy]

Oh, that's right.

[Blake]

So we checked out that school. We're scoping it out. I know he was very fascinated by what they were doing. I don't remember if we ever had anyone from that school on, but I think we. I suspect we had someone who was involved in that on the show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some did. And I think we had. We had Pete on the show to talk about that book and I think we had his co author to talk about that book as well. So I'm pretty sure we, like Charlie did talk about. And he was broadly supportive of it. And I'm just. I pulled out a graphic from Turning Point Education. There is a God, and he is not man or man made. God is the creator of the universe and reigns supreme. The teaching of God's truth and virtue is the beginning of wisdom and is the best defense against destructive ideologies. There are two sexes. Marriage is between one man and one woman. A life is sacred. All people are created equal in the image of God. The epicenter of child's formation is the family. The church, schools and community exist to serve God. And the family. I mean, that's all sounds like, you know, fairly, fairly right on the mark here. So I would say maybe it wasn't a. You know, we didn't major on it from a messaging standpoint on the show, but he talked about it.

[Blake]

I'm looking here. So we had. We actually had Turning Point Academy get profiled on a different podcast, and it did say the five. The five C schools are classical, Christian, conservative, collaborative, and classical.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I wish Hutts was here. He'd be mad at us for having our talking points. I was like, the whole. The whole time, I'm going, wait, this. Isn't that exactly what we do?

[Blake]

Yeah, it's certainly exactly what Charlie supported. Whether he always used the correct lingo.

[Charlie Kirk]

I reject the premise of the question.

[Blake]

I. I definitely could have missed it. I haven't been listening to. Try only for, like, a couple years, but I just. I heard it in the book, looked it up a little bit, and I. I just love it. I mean, it's. It's everything education should be, and It's K through 12. I just think it's perfect. It is a little bit expensive, but I think homeschooling is too, as well. You know, someone has to stay home. But I figured he supported it. I just. I didn't hear it. Could have missed it. Seems like I did, but I just wanted to ask.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, that's all good. God bless you. And I'm nervous for when Hut sees this clip and chastises us. Rightfully for. But, yeah, Charlie was very supportive. Thank you so much. Brandon, we have an email question you want to get to.

[Blake]

Yeah, we do, and we might bleed this into the next segment, but we had. We got an email from someone who couldn't join the call today. It's from Rebecca, and she says, my two oldest kids have started a Club America chapter along with some of their friends. They are homeschooled. So this is not in a high school. It's just an independent chapter. The church we attend is right next to the high school that's nearby. Our kids were hoping to host Club America there as a way of outreach to that school. Our church said no, as they did not want our church associated with anything political. I found this so frustrating as to me, and from what I had heard Charlie say, our Christian values are what should shape our politics. I was just wondering your thoughts on this, Mikey. I feel like you probably heard the most from Charlie on this topic. Do you have an initial response to the that.

[Mikey McCoy]

Blake, why don't you go first? I'M actually trying to find something super quick.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm going to, I'll just take this just quickly because we have a 30 seconds and we're hitting a break. Charlie would say go confront the pastors, talk with them privately. And if they refuse to budge or be, you know, convinced of a better, of a better thought process here, then you should really consider leaving that church. I mean, Charlie got very, very kind of cut and dry about this ultimately, because, because if you are going to cede the public square to other ideologies, guess what? Other ideologies that you do not agree with are going to fill the vacuum.

[Blake]

Yeah. A church can say we'll go on about this, but a church can say it's apolitical. But the enemy is not apolitical.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct. We'll be right back.

[Blake]

We'll continue right back.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. It's a new day in Minneapolis as border czar Tom Homan has taken over the ICE and immigration enforcement effort there. Unfortunately, some of the same problems still exist, though our Ben Burkin was on the ground there in Minneapolis as protests continue. Ben, good afternoon.

[Ben Burkin]

Hey, good afternoon, Terrence. Good to be with you.

[Terrence Bates]

All right, so I hear it behind you, the protests are going on and I guess they're moving throughout the city of Minneapolis today.

[Ben Burkin]

Yeah, no, it's not stopping. Just, you know, just this is the new normal in America for the radical left. They don't have political arguments. It's all violence and intimidation. So any, any, you know, any negotiating with these guys is like negotiating with terrorists. They want to abol. They don't want the, you know, ice, the, the, the just the, the bad guy, illegal aliens removed from their country. They don't want any, anybody, they don't believe in any sort of law and order, any sort of border sovereignty. And in this case, they're actually protesting ICE allowing or, excuse me, target allowing ICE to use their facilities to stage. I mean, it's just, it's absolutely ridiculous, but it's going to continue. This is what the Democrats do every election cycle. 2020, it was BLM 2024, it was the Palestinian terrorists, and now it's, it's protecting criminal illegal alien in our country.

[Terrence Bates]

What is your sense of how the Trump administration, specifically Tom Homan, is going to maybe change the approach or alter the approach there in Minneapolis now that he's in charge?

[Ben Burkin]

Look, Tom Homan is one of the best guys, one of the best leaders, one of the most America first people that I know in this country he's going to do what is necessary to finish the mission. And so, you know, he may have slight different tactics than previously, but I have no doubt Tom Holman is here to kick some ass and take some names to steal a phrase. It just may be under, you know, different circumstances. He what he's talking about is actually what we saw originally. It was going in targeting the worst of the worst and then you get the rest, too. He said that yesterday. We're going to get the rest too. But our focus is back on targeting the worst of the worst, not getting distracted by these guys who are simply trying to slow them down.

[Terrence Bates]

And that's all they are, Ben, as you said, a distraction. They're trying to slow things down. But as you said, Tom Homan is going to be kicking high in parts and taking names and continuing to do the job. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Charlie Kirk]

Show where talk meets action.

[Terrence Bates]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. We got Mikey McCoy in the house, not in studio, not here at this Bitcoin.com studio, but he's at the remote Bitcoin.com studio. So Bitcoin.com yeah. At the unknown location, the undisclosed Bitcoin studio.

[Blake]

Bitcoin.com Black Mesa.

[Charlie Kirk]

Continue. You were so the question so we.

[Blake]

Were looking at Rebecca's question and it was about her kids had a homeschool Club America chapter. They wanted to do outreach to the high school that is next to their church, get some of them involved because it's not at a school. And their church there said, no, we don't want to be involved in politics. And Andrew, you said just before the break that you suspect what Charlie would say is if your church is that afraid of anything that has a vaguely political whiff, you possibly should look at another church. And like the reason for that is as Charlie would always say, like politics is not some special hyper segregated sphere away from everything else in life. Politics has, especially today where the government is a part of everything. It's injected into everything that has moral weight in life life. What are our abortion laws? What are our laws on all sorts of other moral issues? Who holds power? What sort of, I mean, among other things, will your church be allowed to be open if there's another pandemic or some other thing that they want to use to justify closing it? Everything about your country shapes, goes into this. And so many political issues have a moral and as a result a Christian dimension to them. We're not just debating how do you best Grow the economy. You're debating what is the nature of our country, what all of these things matter. And if your church takes this position of total non engagement, they're kind of taking a position of cowardice. It is taking a position that the Christian view is to not have an opinion on something that matters. And that doesn't necessarily mean you always need every pastor endorsing every single candidate. Because sometimes there can be the flip side, where if a church is. Is just too identified with politics, it becomes just a political arm instead of a religious arm. But if you're just not involved in it at all, why are you here? You're. What is it? The line? A whited sepulcher. You know, you're pretty. You have a pretty building, and you represent nothing. And you're empty on the inside, whitewashed tombs.

[Mikey McCoy]

And it's like, first off, Club America is our high school program, okay? And Charlie, I was trying to find earlier a message from him when we were naming it Club America. He goes, we'll name it Club America because. Because it's apolitical. You have to love America. And so it's not even like an objectively political thing to have a Club America chapter on a high school campus. You're celebrating America. You're celebrating America's founding. You're learning about American principles. But the fact that a church is too weak to even have a Club America chapter at the high school next door or to support something like that says a lot about the church. And honestly, these are the types of churches that close their doors during COVID These are the types of churches that when you were depressed, when you were anxious, when you had loved ones dying in the hospital that you couldn't see or care for or have physical touch with, that these churches shuttered their doors, didn't let you in, didn't reach out to you, weren't there when you needed them most. And these are just weak pastors too. Honestly, like, I think back to when we were in Korea. Charlie was supposed to have a meeting with 15 pastors, and all 15 pastors canceled because they were afraid that the government was gonna arrest them. There was only one pastor that met with Charlie Lee. We had his two sons on the show. He's been in prison for the past few months. He just got out last night. But he may be facing another year plus in prison. And this is the consequences that pastors need to face for their bravery in their faith. And they don't want to go to jail. They don't want to risk it. They'd rather just have a beautiful church with, with nice, you know, nice interiors and a nice office and a comfy paycheck and they can just show up to work, do their thing and leave. But when it comes to actually hard responsibilities for your faith, when it comes to taking care of, of other people, when it comes to being involved in your community and politics and culture, we don't want that, we don't want to touch that. We don't do politics. And it's that this is a weak mentality in the American church. We don't even have citizens that feel safe walking in their own cities. Like what is happening to our country. Meanwhile, churches are totally fine with what's happening in Dearborn, Michigan, what's happening with the Islamic takeover of our country. And honestly, the modern day church might not be strong enough to counteract the atrocities that are facing our country. Whether that be leftism or, or.

[Blake]

Yeah, I feel like that's a question. I want to be constructive. So it's. We ideally would prefer that rather than they leave their church, that they just get their church to change its behavior. And without getting too, you know, rage filled, you could ask them like, okay, does this church have an opinion on whether America should remain Christian or gradually be secularized and Islamicized? Does this church have a view on church shutdowns during pandemics? Does this church have a position on the right to life? Does this church have this, this, this, and this is what Club America is related to. And you don't need. And I think her request is just to hold meetings there. It's not that they need to necessarily even advertise it at every single thing they do. They just want to have a meeting at a place adjacent to the school.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Blake]

And I would, I would really like probe at what their reasoning is and, and be ready to question it. And if the answers are bad, ultimately the churches we choose to attend should reflect how we feel about the gospel. And if it's not aligned, it's worthy of thought.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Don't be afraid to go to another church. I know that can be tough because your whole community and your friends, it can all be attached to your church community. It's a tough decision to make. Don't make it lightly. But don't be afraid to do it either. Because ultimately the churches that are courageous, the churches that are proclaiming the gospel, the churches that are lifting up Jesus, but also the churches that have the courage of their own convictions are going to be the churches that thrive. And if churches are getting weak and weak need ultimately, I think, you know, oftentimes what you see is that God will just snuff out their lampstands. Right? And don't be afraid of that. We have a related question from Kimberly. Kimberly, unmute yourself. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Blake]

Kimberly, unmute yourself. If you're there, there.

[Jillian Barbary]

Am I done?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Blake]

We got you.

[Jillian Barbary]

The turning point, like chapter whatever. What does that do and how do you do it? Because I homeschool my kids and so what does it do?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so. And Mikey knows a lot about this as well. So if you're homeschooling oftentimes what we do is we have this, these activism hubs that could be in your area and you can join them and be a part of them that way. So I don't know which part of the country you're in, but we could follow up with you if you want to let us know more or send us an email and we can get that to our field team. But so we try and incorporate as many homeschoolers as we can is the point. But chapters do a lot of different things, right? First of all, if you imagine yourself and you're in public school, then it becomes a rallying point for other like minded people, right? So oftentimes at high schools you'll have the gay club, the LGBTQ club or whatever. You'll have all kinds of different interest group clubs, the socialist club. There are not a lot of clubs for people that just have traditional American values, that love their country, that want to celebrate free speech, debate, that want to, you know, support the flag. So a lot of these chapters, they'll do flag days at their school and they'll put flags everywhere, which is just a great form of patriotism. They can invite speakers, they can. Then they get plugged into our national events. So we have a lot of high schoolers that come to the Student Action Summit or AM Fest. And that usually happens through the club level. They're given access to video content. They have activism kits. So we have a whole shipment and fulfillment center on campus where we just send out these kids kits and they can go table in their school yard. Oftentimes they'll do community outreach events. So they'll visit an elderly facility and brighten their day or bake them cookies, whatever. So at the high school level, you know, it is nice to kind of keep it just more basic. We're just proud to be Americans. And then obviously they get to participate in a lot of the content that we send out. So that'll be video series that'll be lecture series, books to read, all those types of things. So it becomes a rallying point. Like minded people, patriotism. And then oftentimes we'll do voter registration drives as well ahead of election. So that's, that's on the high school level. The college level gets a little bit more robust. I don't know, Mikey, if you want to chime in.

[Mikey McCoy]

No, you hit the nail on the head. But for you, because you homeschool, there's, there's a hub that you can join. If you go to the website, clubamerica.com you can figure out ways to get plugged in there.

[Blake]

Did you have something additional, Kimberly?

[Jillian Barbary]

Well, I know they were here once, I'm in Georgia and they, they actually went. We, we have a homeschool skate every two Fridays. So one of the Fridays they, they said the first 75 people that join will, will pay for. So my kids got to go for free because they paid for it. I was just wondering like, what is, what does it do? You know, stuff like that. And I'm the one I did talk to before, I'm the one who has 11 kids and all that, so.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, 11 kids, lovely. I remember that.

[Blake]

I remember that call.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was great. You tend to remember 11 kids. That's noteworthy. Good for you.

[Jillian Barbary]

Yeah, I figured you would remember me by that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Be fruitful and multiply. You have taken the commandments seriously. So God bless you and your children and your family. And again, visit clubamerica.com if you want more details. I was actually looking at it. They need to update the, how many chapters we have because it's far more than you know. Yeah, far more. And like how do you, how do.

[Jillian Barbary]

You join or whatever?

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, so if you go on the website, there's a, there's resources. You can contact them, charter a chapter, you can do that or join one. So they have all those, those resources right, right there on the, the drop down menu so you can find out what's there and they'll, they'll get in touch with you. They have actual. We have field staff all across the country. I think we just hired a bunch more. We had a big new staff training as well because we, we need more field team to, to service all these new chapters that we have. So check it out there.

[Jillian Barbary]

All right. Thank you so much.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, God bless you, Mick.

[Jillian Barbary]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

We got one and a half minutes left here, Mick, so might have to go through the next segment. Mick, can you hear me? Unmute yourself. Yes, sir. Good to be back. Quick question. I had for you. Obviously, today is a big white pill day. They got Don Lemon.

[Blake]

But what are some other names that.

[Charlie Kirk]

You guys have thought about that you might need to see? Indicted one off the top of my head is Mikey Sherrill in New Jersey. I don't know if it's legally actionable or not, but she has talked about or has created a government website dedicated to doxing ICE agents. Yeah, I would say that's a good one. Saw that news yesterday. And then there's the DA of Philly. There's the AG of Minnesota, the mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Fry. Jacob Fry, Keith Ellison. Those are names that I'm looking at. Honestly, though, you basically, what we're talking about is the supremacy clause, where you've got a lot of local elected officials, whether that's state level or city level, county level, that are openly defying federal immigration law. And they are tiptoeing that line with actual sedition, I would say. I mean, it's, they're not, they want to nullify the supremacy Clause of the Constitution. They think they can act like independent states, that they can act like, not like governors of a country of a constitutional republic, but they want to act like presidents of their state and they want to follow a law all their own. But we can think on this. We're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

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[Blake]

All right, so we're talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who do I want to.

[Blake]

I thought of mine in the. Out of a bunch I would love. This is the one I would love to see. A case built against would be Alejandro Mayorkas.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Blake]

The guy in charge of the border. Yeah. It's just straight up. What he did was systematically throwing out the laws of the United States to enable a foreign invasion of this country by people that we knew were dangerous. Not just, oh, let's let in every welfare case case, but let's knowingly let in foreign gangsters, possible terrorists, possible foreign agents. Like, we know tens of thousands of Chinese people were coming across the Mexican border. Tens of thousands of people from the Middle east, from Africa, from literally everywhere in the planet. We had just an open border with the whole planet, not because we changed our laws, but because we chose to not enforce those laws in such a selective way as to allow this. And. And I think you can constructively build the case that what he did was some form of treason against the United States.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love that one. That would be my number one as well. But since he took it already. James Comey. Brennan Clapper. The big hoax, the Russian collusion hoax stole President Trump's many years. Much momentum in the first term. Big, big, big one there. I would say Adam Schiff is big on that. Letitia, James. Fanny Willis. John Bolton is actually probably going to have a comeuppance. That guy's probably going to be in jail, in prison. I would say Alvin Bragg. Andrew Weissman. Those are some of my names. So I don't know if, Mike, you want to jump in on this one, but it was a fun thought exercise because there's a lot to go around. The election officials in Fulton County. Who do we indict? Oh, I think.

[Mikey McCoy]

I think the list. We could be here all day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wait, there's. Anthony Fauci is another one that I think a lot of people see.

[Mikey McCoy]

Fauci is always on the top of my list. J.B. pritzker.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mikey McCoy]

I really.

[Charlie Kirk]

Johnson Fry. Honestly. Yeah. There's a lot. Karen Bass.

[Blake]

Yeah. And like, yeah, big picture. To repeat what was before. I think you really need to start bulking up the legal case for everyone involved in the sanctuary city sham. We would not tolerate this for a second with basically anything else, this absolutely systematic effort to make it so a core federal law goes unenforced. Where you're making, you're publicly warning people that whether federal agents around so they don't get arrested. I mean, all we've had so far is, I guess we had that judge in Wisconsin who tried to hide the illegal. We got her convicted. But you need more than that because, because it's just deranged to me that a. I believe California made it a criminal offense to give certain information to federal immigration authorities. That's outrageous. How can it ever be a crime to tell the federal government someone is illegally in this country? Here is the proof that someone is illegally in this country. It should never be a crime to expose a crime.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and I would like to add all of the NGO networks that have, whether they're, you know, shuttling these people into legal services to help them game the system, giving them information on the other side of the border to help them game the system, that they're fleecing taxpayers to do this. I got a lot of problems with a lot of those groups. And now you got NGOs that are working in Minneapolis and they're trying to help these people avoid accountability, helping protesters, agitators, and frankly, you know, this is low level sedition, trying to attack law enforcement. So I've got, I got a long list of people that really deserve to be in prison. Should we go to the next question here, Joe? Joe, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Please unmute yourself. Unmute yourself, Joe. Well, we might have missed Joe, but we got his question here. He says, I may have missed this question, but why is it that George Soros and group seem to escape scrutiny with all the professional protesting up in Minnesota and he funds this stuff. I know you might take on Soros.

[Blake]

At least George Soros specifically. I think it is worth reminding people he is very old at this point. So I think, I think he's actually, yes, super old. I think he's actually, there's, there's decent evidence that he's essentially out of it at this point. His money is still very much there. Now, as for the networks, his son is still. Yeah, his son. I mean, the Soros fortune will be a big deal for a long time. But it's sort of a funny thing is you'll still see the left go on and on about the Koch brothers. And I believe David Koch has been deceased for five or six years at this point. Yeah, and. But you still hear it. I remember when I was at the Hill, which the publication, we even got the theater thing, Coke Brothers is not capitalized. They are not the Super Mario Brothers. But it shows how certain figures do fixate and it does get out of a good point, which is much like the Sanctuary city operation. There is this extremely large network of NGOs and left wing money that some of it is just indisputably legal. Like, okay, you can have an NGO that advocates for more open borders and you can give jobs to people to do insane stuff. Unfortunately, that's all legal. Legal. But if they're doing things like they're very clearly like if their whole operation, for example, is to get people who attack police officers out of prison ASAP and back out to protesting, if you're clearly setting up this whole apparatus for let's do basically law breaking demonstrations, riots, if you're knowingly funding an operation to sabotage immigration enforcement in the United States States or to enable BLM riots, all those things, I think you have to make the case that there is some form of criminality going on there. And we've discussed this on this show where one thing, people would always bring up RICO as something that should be brought here. An interesting thing at federal law is right now rico, what you need to do is you need to be doing kind of conspiracy. A conspiracy, a corrupt action to enable another crime. And right now, fomenting riots is not a thing under rico. And Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, to his credit, has pointed out this problem. Republicans in Congress should make that an agenda item of theirs to include fomenting riots as a RICO predicate. And then it would be easier to go after some of these networks.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, and I know the Treasury Department is doing a great job right now trying to root out some of the funding networks, but there's, you know, this Neville Singh singing. Singh singing?

[Blake]

Yeah, the Chinese guy.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Chinese guy is another, is another guy. That's not George Soros. But, but you know, he's just as insidious and he's currently funding a lot. He's the guy. But by the way, George Soros really, really, really did a bad thing. Funding a lot of these left wing attorney generals and prosecutors across the country. That was his real, real contribution. All right, we'll see you on Monday. Been a great show.

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