The Charlie Kirk Show, March 24, 2026

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – March 24, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / iHeartPodcasts
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guests/Contributors: Blake Neff, Tom Homan, Michael Shellenberger, Danielle Cosetto & Addison Markurt (ASU TPUSA Chapter), others
Theme: Unfiltered news and analysis on American politics, campus culture, border security, and the fallout of the Charlie Kirk assassination, centering discussion on the trial of Tyler Robinson and controversies surrounding the investigation.

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers an urgent and emotional exploration of breaking developments in the murder trial of Tyler Robinson, the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, with particular focus on government whistleblower Joe Kent’s willingness to testify for the defense. Host Charlie Kirk, with key contributors, also discusses practical impacts of new ICE policies at airports, campus activism, and the continuing influence of Charlie Kirk on young conservatives. Notably, the episode features an in-depth interview with Michael Shellenberger, the journalist who broke the Kent story. Overall, the tone is passionate, combative, and often personal.

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Major Segments & Timelines

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1. Breaking Update: Joe Kent’s Bombshell & The Tyler Robinson Trial

[12:00–20:01, 49:00–56:30, 70:20–78:49, 96:03–119:56]

• Shellenberger Report:
  Journalist Michael Shellenberger reported that Joe Kent, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, is willing to testify for the defense in the trial of Tyler Robinson, the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk.

  • “Joe Kent says he’s willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson. This is obviously a huge bombshell and escalates everything to a much bigger level.” (Charlie Kirk, [12:24])

• Kent’s Claims & Reaction:
  Kent claims the FBI blocked his attempts to investigate possible foreign involvement, suggesting a "foreign nexus" in Kirk's assassination.

  • “If I end up having to play that role, then I’ll do it. It’s not something I’m seeking. When pressed that his testimony could help the Robinson defense, Kent said, 'then, honestly, so be it. If it gets us to the truth, that’s obviously the risk I’m taking.'” (Blake Neff quoting Kent via Shellenberger, [13:54])

  • Kirk and Neff express outrage and see this as a dangerous circus fueled by "conspiracy garbage"—worried it could taint the jury pool and harm the prosecution.

    • “If this ends up screwing up the jury pool, if this ends up getting a hung jury… I’m not going to be happy with that. For any fair-minded person, this is crackpot conspiracy garbage, brain rot stuff. And now it’s gotten really serious.” (Charlie Kirk, [17:13])

• Evidence Recap:
  Neff and Kirk list the case against Robinson: murder weapon with his DNA, confessions, parental identification and involvement, motive.

  • “His parents turned him in. That is the most obvious piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around.” (Blake Neff, [16:41])

• Shellenberger Interview (Part 1 of 2):

  • Michael Shellenberger explains how Kent’s statements might give defense grounds for mistrial or hung jury (the “Brady Rule” context).

    • “A constitutional law legal scholar yesterday said… the defense attorneys now for Robinson could use Kent’s statements as a way to… potentially a hung jury or a mistrial or something of that nature.” (Shellenberger, [99:35])

  • Shellenberger notes Kent shows no on-the-record evidence of a conspiracy or valid investigative barriers by the FBI.

    • “He presented nothing on the record and hasn’t presented anything on the record.” (Shellenberger, [104:26])

  • Both Kirk and Shellenberger highlight the psychological and social forces that make conspiracy theories attractive in cases like this:

    • “People sometimes want to have a bigger meaning for the Charlie Kirk assassination. Like it couldn’t just be one guy… for a lot of people that might feel like not big enough… but the truth has to be the truth at some point.” (Charlie Kirk, [119:39])
    • “Asking even outrageous questions is totally appropriate… but there are consequences potentially if that starts to affect things like juries.” (Shellenberger, [114:16])

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2. National Security, ICE at Airports, and Border Policy

[04:06–08:44, 36:47–49:23]

• ICE Step-in at Airports:
  Tom Homan, former ICE director, praises the Trump initiative of using ICE agents during TSA staff shortages due to a DHS funding standoff.

  • “ICE agents are being paid. TSA agents aren’t… we’re there filling jobs and that’s going to release more TSA agents to work right in those security lines…” (Tom Homan, [37:44])

  • Kirk and guests frame this as a triumph for both border security and operational efficiency at airports:

    • “They’re protecting us… lines wait times are dropping like crazy.” (Charlie Kirk, [37:09])

• Arrests of Illegal Migrants:
  Controversy surrounds the potential for ICE to arrest undocumented immigrants at airports; the issue is highly politicized.

  • “That’s why the Democrats are going crazy… because they’re able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country. That’s very fertile territory.” (Charlie Kirk Show caller, [39:40])

  • Homan: ICE won’t ignore illegal activity, regardless of role at airport:

    • “There’s a lot of people say, 'well, you should just help TSA... and not enforce immigration law.' I’m not going to do that. We’re going to enforce immigration law. I’m not going to ask any ICE officer to ignore the oath they took…” (Tom Homan, [40:26])

• Debate Over ICE at Polling Places:

  • Democrats, per Kirk/Homan, are insistent ICE not police polling stations; Homan says,
    • “If only US Citizens can vote, I don’t see the issue what they’re concerned about.” (Tom Homan, [44:25])

• Sanctuary Cities and Strategic Enforcement:
  Homan recounts successful local cooperation in Minneapolis as a model for smart and effective enforcement.

  • “If you want those, want that vision to go away? Then let us send a damn jail. And you know, we got unprecedented cooperation.” (Tom Homan, [53:59])

  • Prioritization on public safety threats:

    • “We got almost 700,000 illegal aliens and criminals that are walking the streets of this country. We gotta get the worst first. And I think that’s a smart way of doing business.” (Tom Homan, [55:18])

• Illegal Voting Consequences:

  • “You want to go to prison? Try it. But after we prosecute you, you will be deported. Absolutely.” (Tom Homan, [56:57])

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3. Campus Politics and the Legacy of Charlie Kirk

[24:08–35:00, 70:20–90:57]

• Student Activism and Pick Up the Mic Event:
  Blake Neff and Jack Posobiec spoke at ASU chapter’s “Pick Up the Mic” event, fostering open debate and fielding questions from students with diverse politics.

  • “Any debate, he (Charlie) lost some. That was always the chance to get better… I finally felt what it was like to be Charlie.” (Blake Neff, [24:58–25:28])

• Protests and Campus Culture:
  Discussion of recent agitation, including left-wing protesters targeting TPUSA events and memorials for Kirk.

  • “They blamed us for getting an event of theirs at ASU canceled… speaking truthfully, that wasn’t us… it was almost like they hadn’t considered that possibility.” (Blake Neff, [27:46])

• Charlie Kirk’s Legacy with Students:
  ASU TPUSA chapter leaders, Danielle Cosetto and Addison Markurt, share that Kirk’s assassination galvanized campus activism.

  • “It really just put a spark under our butts. I know I got involved with Turning Point after Charlie was assassinated.” (Addison Markurt, [73:06])
  • “The chapter has grown exponentially. There’s light at the end of the tunnel… it sparks us to have even more open debates, hearing what the other side has to say.” (Danielle Cosetto, [72:24, 73:21])

• Political Divides on Campus:
  Main issues: immigration (with most students anti-ICE), affordability, and debates over family/career for young women, dating market, social media’s impact, and reactions to Trump’s ongoing presidency and foreign policy.

  • “I conducted interviews regarding ICE… it was an overwhelming response of ‘get them off our campus’. I think we only got two people that were pro-ICE.” (Addison Markurt, [84:44])
  • “Immigration and affordability.” (Addison Markurt, [84:32])
  • “I think that they’re too focused on lust over love. And also, I’m young, I’m 18. I just want to do my own thing.” (Addison Markurt, [88:43])

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4. Broader American Reactions & Information Environment

[11:29–11:45, 29:29–30:46, 119:39–119:56]

• Media and Misinformation:
  • Kirk addresses the challenge of navigating today’s flood of information and the persistence of conspiracy thinking.
    • “Every day there’s a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not. You found the place for truth. The voice of a generation...” (Charlie Kirk, [11:29])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On Joe Kent Testifying:

• “This is not podcaster junk. This isn’t like social media conspiracy nonsense. This is an actual government official who’s now going to be called to testify on behalf of the defense. That is a bridge too far.” (Charlie Kirk, [18:11])

On ICE’s Role at Airports:

• “President Trump made a brilliant move… now we are sitting in about 16 airports… we’re there filling jobs and that’s going to release more TSA agents to work right in those security lines… It’s a great idea and I think the lines are going down quickly.” (Tom Homan, [37:44])

On the Power of Campus Conservative Activism:

• “When Charlie died, I think it really just put a spark under our butts… after that, it just makes our voices stronger.” (Addison Markurt, [73:06])
• “It’s a collision of ideas… and it is a powerful format, because it really is the collision of ideas and nothing’s off-limits.” (Charlie Kirk, [28:43])

On Conspiracies, Truth, and Courtroom Realities:

• “I am willing to ask the hard questions… But when there’s no evidence and there’s no facts to back up those questions, then you have to say, OK, moving on. I’m not anti-conspiracy theories. I’m open to it all… but you have to have facts.” (Charlie Kirk, [117:23])

On the Enduring Appeal of Conspiracies:

• “People sometimes want to have a bigger meaning for the Charlie Kirk assassination… but the truth has to be the truth at some point.” (Charlie Kirk, [119:39])

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Summary Table: Key Segments & Timestamps

| Segment Topic | Timestamp(s) | |-------------------------------------------------------|------------------| | Breaking Kent story: background, context, reactions | 12:00–20:01 | | Michael Shellenberger interview (part 1) | 96:03–107:39 | | Shellenberger interview (part 2; trial implications) | 112:00–119:39 | | ICE at Airports / Tom Homan segment | 36:47–49:23 | | Student/ASU segment: event, activism, culture | 70:20–90:57 | | Broader culture, media, disinformation | 11:29–11:45 |

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The episode is dominated by the sensational development that Joe Kent, a noted national security figure, is willing to testify as a defense witness—an act that Kirk and Neff see as potentially dangerous for the pursuit of justice and frustrating for the Kirk community.
• Expert guest Michael Shellenberger adds context, skepticism, and underscores the need for evidence before embracing conspiracy claims, despite cultural temptations to seek larger meaning.
• Beyond legal drama, the show provides insight into the continuing culture war, with a focus on the American right’s campus organizing, immigration enforcement, and youthful energy, against a backdrop of political polarization and institutional distrust.

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This summary preserves the robust, opinionated, and sometimes combative tone of the original, faithfully reflecting the content for listeners who missed the episode while highlighting key themes, developments, and arguments.

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

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[Charlie Kirk]

It is exponentially different here today than

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it was this time yesterday over the weekend.

[Charlie Kirk]

As you can see, there is a

[Michael Shellenberger]

very short line right now.

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And it's unclear if that's because ICE is now assisting TSA or if it's

[Charlie Kirk]

just a slower travel day. But regardless, a remarkable change from the

[Michael Shellenberger]

hours long waits we've been seeing with

[Charlie Kirk]

lines stretching all the way around baggage claim.

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

We're dealing. Really mine. That was mine. That was like the paperclip. You know the story of the paperclip. 182 years ago, a man discovered the paperclip. It was so simple and everybody that looked at it say, why didn't I think of that? ICE was my idea.

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[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

First person I called was Tom Holman. I said, what do you think? He said, I think it's great.

[Tom Homan]

Trump made a brilliant move this week. And he called me, says, let's send ICE to the airport. I thought it was a smart move. And we're filling the holes. The wait lines already dropped. Plus we're doing a security function at the airports. We're going to arrest criminals going through this airport. We're going to look for human trafficking, sex trafficking, money, you know, money smuggling. We're going to be at the airports working with our brothers and sisters and tsa. They're our brothers and sisters in dhs. President Trump made a smart move. We're going to keep the airplanes flying. We're going to get the American people to those lines quicker. And we're not going to give up President Trump's promise to American people to make this country safer every day. And that's what we're going to keep doing. Will we see arrest or illegal migrant arrest at airports?

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

Sir?

[Terrence Bates]

Will we see ICE arresting illegal migrants in airports?

[Tom Homan]

Are we talking?

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

That's why the Democrats are going crazy, because they've allowed by what they did. And the hold up we put ice, who are a very high level, I mean, they really are a high level group of people and they love it because they're able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country.

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That's very fertile territory, but that's not why they're there. They're really there to help.

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I mean, I think Trump's doing all the job.

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Most of the travelers we spoke with say while it's disappointing, the current shutdown is having a negative impact on TSA staff. They're pleased to see ICE agents stepping in.

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They're protecting us.

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Yeah.

[Terrence Bates]

What's happening today in America that should outrage everybody. He's taking the very same agency that has been bursting into our schools, into our churches, into our hospitals, into our courts and even into the homes of Americans. He's taking that agency that is reckless, out of control and bringing them to our airports under the lie that somehow this is going to help deal with the long lines that he created in the first place.

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This is what they've been doing for

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the most part today is doing the patrols around the airport, talking and gathering. Not really helping the public in the sense of they're not taking tickets from anybody. They're not interacting with the public.

[Tom Homan]

We've seen so far.

[Terrence Bates]

They're not checking anyone's ID at the TSA checkpoints. They're not doing that as as well. So the big question is what have they been doing mostly? Well, it's been providing perimeter of security. As you can see over here. This is where the lines have been

[Tom Homan]

long throughout the day.

[Charlie Kirk]

The reason why we are in a

[Terrence Bates]

DHS shutdown right now because Republicans have

[Charlie Kirk]

refused to agree to the type of

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One of those demands is keep ICE

[Terrence Bates]

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All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. It is March 24, 2026, here at the Bitcoin.com studio. Blake, how you doing?

[Blake Neff]

I was better a few minutes ago,

[Charlie Kirk]

Andrew, and we will get into that in just a second. So moments ago, a new report from journalist Michael Shellenberger dropped. As you know, yesterday, we covered the backstory, but what really happened with the screen grabs, the notorious screen grabs now? And I revealed to this audience that I did in fact share that screengrab with Joe Kent. And Joe suggested that I leak that publicly. I declined. He actually went back through our messages and he suggested I do so twice. I declined. Obviously, those were private messages. I wanted to keep them private for Charlie's sake. I thought that was honoring my friend. Anyway, so this new report comes out from Shellenberger and it says, as you see on your screen, that Joe Kent says he's willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson. So this is obviously a huge bombshell and escalates everything to a much bigger level. I have reached out to Michael Shellenberger and he has agreed to come on the show today. He interviewed Joe Kent for this report. So these are Joe Kent's own words. Michael Shellenberger will be joining us at 1:30 Eastern. So set your clocks and please, please, please tune in. Then it's going to be an important conversation. And, Blake, so let's just take this out a step and explain why this is actually a really important thing. As you know, there's a lot of conspiracy theories that we do not indulge, that we do not discuss. This is different. Joe Kent was a government official at a very important post, and now he's saying he's willing to testify ostensibly on behalf of Tyler Robinson. Yes, this is a bigger deal. This is a line crossed that we have not seen.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, let's. I mean, let's just recite it where he says, kent, this is Shellenberger's reporting on substack. Kent said he knew he might be called as a witness before he made his statements that a, quote, foreign nexus may have been involved in Kirk's assassination. I was definitely warned of that over and over again. Said Kentucky. If I end up having to play that role, then I'll do it. It's not something I'm seeking. When pressed that his testimony could help the Robinson defense, Kent said, then, honestly, so be it. If it gets us to the truth, that's obviously the risk I'm taking. Neither Robinson's attorneys nor the prosecuting attorneys responded to a request for comment. And then looks, I'm not sure if there's more. I might have to pay for Shellenberger's subscription.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But, yeah, I'm sure it does. Go. Go further. And we're going to, like I said, be talking to Michael Shellenberger and the second half of next hour at 1:30 Eastern. And I can't wait to hear what he has to say. This to me is, this is Galaxy Brain run amok. And let me explain why I say that. Jonathan Turley, who is a. I guess he's a contributor to Fox News, legal contributor, he's a professor of law at George Washington University, said that 90% of the evidence accumulated against Tyler Robinson could be thrown out. So the defense could be successful in throwing out 90% of the evidence and he would still be found guilty of murder.

[Blake Neff]

Let's refresh, people. There is a murder weapon that was found near the site of the shooting. It was owned by Tyler Robinson's family,

[Charlie Kirk]

given to him by his grandpa of

[Blake Neff]

the caliber used to shoot Charlie. It has his DNA all over it,

[Charlie Kirk]

all over the casings.

[Michael Shellenberger]

He.

[Blake Neff]

They release a photo of the shooter. They are not able to find him otherwise. Tyler Robinson's parents see that photo and think that looks like Tyler. They begin asking him things like, where is your. I believe it was his grandfather's gun. They start asking him this. Tyler Robinson starts talking like he might kill himself. They get a friend of the family to sit down with him. He actually. He admits that it's him. They get him to drive up to Orem and turn himself in. His parents helped him turn him in. And we run into people who say that that didn't happen or that's fabricated.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's digital confessions.

[Blake Neff]

There's digital confessions. But also, his parents are out there. They have never stepped forward and said, this is a lie. They could easily do that. It would be trivial to do that if it was the case. They have not done that. His parents turned him in. That is the most obvious piece of evidence in the world that nothing can argue around. And some people are so obsessed with these same conspiracies that they concoct for every other thing that ever happens. And so they have to shove it into this one, too, because they care more about their conspiracy theories than about the person who murdered my friend. Facing justice. I am fed up with it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and you should be. And this is. I mean, this is a tough job for us today, to be honest, because this is really personal. I have been open to everything. I think, candidly, I don't get enough credit for even the fact that I shared these group chats in the first place. We shared a lot of information about trans. About Charlie, how Charlie was more concerned than any other community about the trans coming after him. You want to know the truth? That's actually the truth. I heard over the course of the last two years of Charlie's life. Probably about 50 references of how he knew the trans tifa was going to come after him. And he was worried about that. That's the truth. Never mentioned one time about the Jews. Okay? Never once. And here's why it's so frustrating, is because there is going to be even more evidence that is presented to the public in May at the evidentiary hearing, okay? And it's a mountain of evidence, some of which has been made public, some of which has not been made public yet. And the prosecution is going to lay out its case against Tyler Robinson. And I'm told it's a whopper. I'm told they've got this guy dead to rights. And meanwhile, you have government officials that are now saying on the record to journalists they are willing to testify on behalf of the defense to get. Ostensibly to get Tyler Robinson off the hook for something that he did. And so the level of betrayal that I currently feel is dramatic and extreme. The level of just frustration, the idiocy that is on full display, we have to call it out. Because if this ends up screwing up the jury pool, if this ends up in some ways getting a hung jury, getting a, getting this taste this case thrown out or even just getting the death penalty off the case, off the potential list of consequences here, I'm not going to be happy with that. I'm telling you that as somebody who was open to all different options, I didn't care where the truth led. This is where the truth led. This is it. And for any fair minded person, this is crackpot conspiracy garbage, brain rot stuff. And now it's gotten really serious. This isn't podcaster junk. This isn't like social media conspiracy nonsense. This is an actual government official who's now going to be called to testify on behalf of the defense. And that is a bridge too far. That is a line in the sand that we must hold because this could negatively impact the trial of the assassin of my friend, of Blake's friend. So that's the breaking news. I don't want to dwell on it for the whole show here because we're going to have Michael Shellenberger come on next in the next hour and he can tell us more about what he knows. But if this is how it reads, this is an egregious, egregious moment that we're having to live through. Strong cell.

[Blake Neff]

You know, I don't think we can get all hyped up this time. I'm in a bad mood.

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[Charlie Kirk]

all right, welcome back. Here we are. We covered it in the first segment. I want to kind of put a pin on that because it's going to be. It's going to. I'm just going to get too frustrated. I think, Blake, you probably get too frustrated if we keep diving into it. But we are going to have Michael Shellenberger, who is the author of that report, he interviewed Joe Kent for It where Joe said he's going to be willing to testify on behalf of the defense in the trial. And so that's pretty crazy. But I just want to get that out of our heads for a second because we're not going to be able to get through this show if that's all we talk about.

[Tom Homan]

You.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake and Jack Posobic did a pick up the mic event. We did, we did, we did. How'd it go?

[Blake Neff]

I was super nervous beforehand. And once it began.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love that about you that you're willing to admit that you were nervous.

[Blake Neff]

You know, that's actually what we talked about. We spoke for a few minutes and I just talked, you know, I know obviously Charlie is far more memorable.

[Tom Homan]

Remembered.

[Blake Neff]

Looked up to that. I am. So I talked about the process that went into it. It's a conversation I had with Brian on our team once where he said, one of the most common questions Charlie we get is, Charlie, how can I be like you? And Brian would say they don't actually want to be like him because it's a ton of work. Because Charlie had to be so disciplined with his time in a way that most people just cannot manage. He was studying all the time. He was prepping all the time, always. And I told the story, you know, the last conversation I had with him, you know, why is monogamy great? Like, let's get all the talking points.

[Charlie Kirk]

We were. We were.

[Blake Neff]

That was a great. It was a great.

[Charlie Kirk]

We were on that.

[Blake Neff]

It was a great conversation. But it was also. That was daily life for him, always getting those talking points. And that Charlie, he succeeded so much because he failed so much that any debate, he didn't do perfectly any debate, he lost some debates. And that was always the chance to get better. So we talked about that at the start, which I thought was a very good tribute to him. And then they asked us questions, a lot of different ones. And I finally felt what it was like to be Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

And did you get challenged? What kind of questions they asked you?

[Blake Neff]

Man, I didn't join in this one. Jack got a question about the Spanish Civil War, which I'm a big history dork, so I kind of wanted to jump in, but it was aimed at Jack because Jack had talked about it. We got a question about anti Semitism on the right. So that was. That was a good one to answer because, let's be real, it is going up. It is increasing. It is something we run into a lot. I think I did an okay answer on that. I think there's a few things I would have added if I could have. If I could revisit it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Faz says one of our producers said Blake hit a home run on the Israel first question.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, it was. It was all right. It was all right.

[Charlie Kirk]

So these are going to be clipped up and put on social. Just like we.

[Blake Neff]

We got a question about global warming that felt like a blast from the past. Like, you don't have a lot of people asking about global warming anymore. It's very 2014 era liberalism.

[Charlie Kirk]

Back when it's funny, you still. You still can't get those clips on Facebook. I think they'll still get. If you. If you don't tow the.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, they're still. It's like, yeah, it's going to be a vestigial thing. Like, they, you know, AI will have cooked everyone's brains. They won't know how to change the code to make it.

[Michael Shellenberger]

So you can't.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, because it doesn't exist on some of the social media platforms.

[Blake Neff]

No, but it actually is very funny. Just you don't run into it that much because they moved on to, you know, systemic racism or whatever. But we. We still have the. The remnants of it. Like, you know, you still can't get a plastic straw in Tempe, I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

But seriously.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I don't know. I got a paper straw the other day when I was at a restaurant. I found it really annoying.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this was interesting. So we wrapped the show yesterday, and then, like, almost immediately after we're done with it, we get told that there are protesters out front. And I think we have some pictures here if the team can show them up. So it's this other group. Yeah. So they're outside and they got film crew. And then. So Blake. I didn't even see Blake after the show. Like, you were just gone. And then I was like, where did Blake go? And they were like, oh, protesters out front. You gotta go confront them. And I was like, I do. That doesn't seem like security protocol. So I was like, all right. So. But it turns out it's this progressive group that we mentioned were flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all sorts of deranged things outside of the HQ before that, the day before that, or over the weekend. So I joined Blake out there, and then next thing I know, Jack is out there.

[Blake Neff]

It was such a funny conversation because they were mad. I mean, they were, you know, posting images of them flipping off a memorial and all of that. And they were mad because they blamed us for getting an event of theirs at asu, canceled and we go out and they ask us about us and we just go. Speaking truthfully, that wasn't us. We don't have that kind of pull with asu. They in fact quite dislike us. And then it was almost like they hadn't considered that possibility. And they, they instantly got more for. They're like, oh, yeah, that, that makes sense.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Because our day event also got disallowed.

[Blake Neff]

I actually was confused. I thought until I hadn't like, really been paying close attention. So I thought the event was actually going to be around noon.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this is true. I came in, I go, what time's your. Your pick up the mic? And he's like, he's like, oh, this afternoon I was like, I thought it was a night event and nobody had told Blake, so they told me.

[Blake Neff]

And I hadn't looked closely. I'm self conscious. So when they sent me the announcement, I didn't want to look at it because it had my dorky mug shot looking photo. And so I love that you were.

[Charlie Kirk]

I actually love that you were nervous because it shows the, the reverence that you have for CK and the. And just how many reps he put in in that format. And it is a powerful format because it really is the collision of ideas and there is nothing off limits. And it's, it's mental sparring. And you got to make your point. As a matter of fact, when we went out to confront this left wing group that was taking all these terrible pictures, that was my first thing. They were like, they started with, look, dude, condemn President Trump for what he said about Bob Mueller. And I was like, do you condemn your friend over here for flipping off Charlie's memorial and doing all this other gross crap? And her response was, well, I thought that you guys canceled our event, so I take it back and I'm sorry, I'll delete that post. It's like, even if we did cancel your event, which we didn't, you should not be doing that. You're a grown woman that is giving into this, like, online culture of just being really gross. And by the way, like, when you've done the reps that Turning Point's done with all these campuses across the country, maybe, maybe then we'll take you more seriously. Up until now, you guys are just a bunch of trolls. And I don't take you seriously. I don't. Because all you're trying to do is leech off what we're doing. You're trying to draft off what we've done and what we've built What Charlie built. And so, you know, good luck, I guess, and welcome to university bureaucracy. This is how it works. You know, you win some, you lose some. By the way, this is actually.

[Blake Neff]

I get a kick out of them thinking, like, we would want to shut down a left wing group that, you know, would ask questions at our events because very obviously there's a symbiotic relationship there. Like, we want liberals to show up at our events because that's how you get the debate. That's how, that's how you get viral clips. That's how Charlie. Charlie would never want to go to a campus and only get people who agree with him. That would be incredibly lame.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, no, exactly. And by the way, it's like, we don't. First of all, we're not threatened by it. Second of all, I didn't even know who these people were. I mean, I knew kind of a little bit from. Well, we know the group because at Texas A and M they tried to counter our event or something.

[Blake Neff]

And that was a great event.

[Charlie Kirk]

And my favorite part about that event was when they tried to counter program us, the sprinklers turned on.

[Blake Neff]

That was probably our doing too.

[Charlie Kirk]

Admittedly.

[Blake Neff]

We probably have more pull at A and M than we do at asc.

[Charlie Kirk]

We probably had the keys to the, to the sprinkler system and we probably. No, that didn't happen. This is what's holding in. No, it's like, now pull it. It's the time. Go now. And anyway, so it was kind of a fun little moment, but it kind of. And there was all this press energy. Like everybody wanted to see what we were doing at at ASU versus the. I got these inquiries like, did you block their event? I'm like, no, but they would love for you to think that we did. Okay. Like, so it was, it was kind of a nothing burger in the end, but nevertheless fun to get back on campus. Fun to see you guys doing it and honor Charlie that way. So I was proud of you guys and more to come. I think I'm gonna do GCU soon, which will be fun here in the Valley. So we'll keep you posted on that. And as the clips come up, we'll maybe we'll show some of them on the show. All right, Tom Homan joins us next. We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

The voice of generations is the Charlie Kirk Show.

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[Tom Homan]

I like it.

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

I mean, I think Trump's going to hell it off.

[Tom Homan]

I like it.

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Most of the travelers we spoke with

[Charlie Kirk]

say well, it's disappointing.

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The current shutdown is having a negative impact on TSA staff. They're pleased to see ICE agents stepping in.

[Charlie Kirk]

They're protecting us. Yeah, well, people love their ICE agents at the airports. Lines wait times are dropping like crazy.

[Blake Neff]

You know, we have like the thin blue line, the thin red line. Is this like the, the thin security

[Charlie Kirk]

line, thin cold line? Yeah. I don't know. Ice Light here to help us break this down is none other than borders are Tom Homan, National Treasure. Thank you, sir, for joining us and making the time. What can you tell us about what we're seeing ICE agents at our airports.

[Tom Homan]

I think President Trump made a brilliant move. He called me late Saturday night and with this idea and I liked it. I mean, ICE agents are being paid. TSAR agents aren't. Lines are backing up and this heightened security posture we're in right now because what's going on in the world, we're, we need to secure the airports, we need to secure the airways and we need to get American people through those lines. I mean, especially now during spring break and Easter and so forth. So I thought it was a great idea. And so I worked very closely with the ICE director and the acting administrator at TSA. We put that plan together in less than 24 hours and now we are sitting in about 16 airports. Now there'll be a few more added. It's just, it's going constantly changing, but we're there filling jobs and that's going to release more TSA agents to work right in those security lines, especially the X ray machines and you know, the initial secondary security where they're very well trained to do. We're going to take people that are doing other security jobs and we're going to fill those gaps so they can release those highly trained TSA officials to help with the lines, maybe open up more lines because we have more people looking at X ray monitors. So it's a great idea and I think the lines are going down quickly. And I think President Trump not only made airports more secure, more safe, he's moving the traveling public through quicker.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love it. Well, I mean I put up a few posts on X yesterday and they went viral. Cuz everybody loves this idea. Mr. Borders are. But it does raise this other thing that's getting the Democrats all freaked out. And we'll just have President Trump in his own words describe it. Sat 3 Will we see arrests?

[Terrence Bates]

Illegal migrant arrests at airports?

[Tom Homan]

Sir?

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

Arrest.

[Terrence Bates]

Will we see ICE arresting illegal migrants in airports?

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

That's why the Democrats are going crazy because they've allowed by what they did and hold up. We put ICE who are a very high level, I mean they really are a high level group of people and they love it because they're able to now arrest illegals as they come into the country. That's very fertile territory. But that's not why they're there. They're really there to help.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so it's very fertile. Terror. I've thought about this a lot.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Mr.

[Charlie Kirk]

Borders are that the airports are where so much of this is happening. So it makes sense to have ICE agents there. Explain how that will work. Will they be processing somebody through the security line? And then they'll be like, oh, you're actually an illegal immigrant and you're now going to be removed from the country.

[Tom Homan]

Well, look, you know, CBP and ICE have always had a presence at the airports, not a big presence because we do a lot of human trafficking investigations, smuggling investigations, bolt cash smuggling. So we have a presence there. CBP also has a presence there because they're the ones that screen everybody coming into the country from other nations. So but we're look, our number one mission, as the President said, is support TSA and move those lines quicker and enhance security. However, the instructions I gave to ICE was they're going to enforce immigration law. Also, if they see criminal activity, they're going to take action. There's a lot of people say, well, you should just help TSA with a security posture and not enforce immigration law. I'm not going to do that. We're going to enforce immigration law. I'm not going to ask any ICE officer to ignore the oath they took and unforced immigration law. So you will see immigration arrest. So they got two missions. One, support TSA to enforce law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, I think that makes all the sense in the world. And yeah, go ahead.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I'm just, I, first of all, I want to tout, I was reading, actually we were doing an ASU event yesterday and I was studying up for it and I saw that the overall pace of ICE arrests per day has doubled since last spring. So congratulations for that. But the rational follow up, of course, is how much will, let's say this airport strategy of the Democrats keeps going. Is there a risk that this will significantly slow down those arrests? Like, could Democrats embrace this as a way to hamper immigration enforcement by diverting so many agents?

[Tom Homan]

Look, we'll have an effect on arrest. We have a small effect on arrest, of course, because more people fall the fields, the airport. But look, the men and women tsa, they're not being paid. It's the third time in the past year they've suffered. So, you know, bottom line is the Democrats up on the Hill are punishing tsa, Coast Guard, cisa, cybersecurity, fema. They're punishing these government employees by not paying them because they're mad about immigration enforcement. And you know, bottom line is I've been meeting on the Hill, you know, having discussions, but bottom line. But we're not going to give up ICE authorities. We're not going to legislate or codify changes in policy because What I've explained from day one to people that are the negotiating table policy has not changed. The same policy we're using now was there with Clinton, Obama and Bush 1 and Bush 2. I've been doing this a long time. It's not about policies. It's about execution. And, you know, as I said, it's all started up in Minnesota. And I said, look, Minnesota, it wasn't perfect. There were changes need to be made. And we made those changes. Those changes are in place now. So I find it shocking to any member of Congress, I don't care what party you're in, does not want to open up the government, does not want to fund the Department of Homeland Security that keeps this nation safe. Especially, again, this elevated threat posture. Everybody in DHS should be working, working hard. So we need to get the government back open. The president wants the government back open. And we'll get it back open. But we're not going to surrender immigration authority. We're not going to do. That's off the table. Mask off the table. I mean, we're going to do our jobs and we'll keep our officers safe.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well, that's good to hear. Masks off the table. We've got a clip here. It's too long. Hakeem Jeffries, though, says that we're not going to fund dhs. Democrats are not going to fund DHS unless Democrats are assured that ICE will not monitor polling places. What's your reaction to that, sir?

[Tom Homan]

Are illegal aliens voting? I mean, bottom line is, what are they afraid of? And they say illegal aliens don't vote. Well, look, part of GSA's job is secure elections. And I'm not going to say what our plan is going forward, but if only US Citizens can vote, I don't see the issue what they're concerned about. They ought to be concerned about the safety and security of this nation. And why is the Department of Homeland Security not funded? That's why they need to explain. And look, they can get angry at ICE all they want. We gotta remember, they set the stage right. They baked this pie right. Four years of open borders. Four years of no immigration enforcement. We had historic illegal immigration on the southern border. They knew it. And the members of Congress stood silent. They're complicit. They didn't do anything to Secretary Mayorkas when he said under oath, the border secure. So they're to blame for this. And what ISIS is simply doing is responding to four years of open borders and historic illegal migration on the border that brought millions upon millions of people to the border and released the United States that requires a historic deportation operation. It's just simple math. So they got to remember, why are we in this position? Why is hiring more people? Why was President Trump elected to be the president of the United States and put in the Oval Office to secure the border and enforce immigration law? That's what we're doing. And they set the stage for the open border for four years. They can't forget that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Amen to that. So you have a new as of yesterday, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen is now secretary. MARK WAYNE mullen, DHS Secretary, what do you expect? Any changes during his tenure? Have you spoken directly with him? What can we expect as the American people?

[Tom Homan]

I speak to Mark Wayne Mullen every day, sometimes several times a day, ever since President Trump announced him as the nominee. I'll be with him today when he gets sworn in. I mean, I've said it 100 times since he's been nominated. I think he's the right guy at the right time and the right job. He understands our challenges. He understands, you know, as a member of Congress, he understands what upset what's up, what Congress is upset about and what false narrative they're pushing and how we can, you know, work across the aisle. And I think it's a game changer. And I'm looking forward to working with him. And again, we have a close relationship. And even though he wasn't a secretary yet, I read him in on the operation and what we're doing at the airport speak because I want him to hit the ground running. And we, my office and many others has offered him any resources he needs to hit the ground running on day one. He's already started. I mean, he's already engaged. He may not be the second. He might not be sworn in yet. He's already being read in on things he needs to be read in on. So he hit the ground running the minute he's sworn in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. It's for people who are curious. There was only one Republican that voted against that was Rand Paul. Wasn't necessarily surprised after.

[Blake Neff]

Seems pretty personal.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Seems like there's some beef there. But then two, two Democrats, Fetterman and then a senator from New Mexico. I forget his name.

[Tom Homan]

But not only that, but, you know, a lot of Democrats I've talked to, you know, a handful I know he's talked to many more. They want to vote for him, but it's election year. But I think there are a lot more Democrats to support him. That's known. And look, he's going to prove to him. He's going to prove to him he's the right guy. And I think give him a few months. I think he's going to press this country with his drive to maintain the most secure border in the nation. At the same time enforce immigration law in a smart, effective way. And look, FEMA needs some attention. TSA needs attention, Secret Service needs attention. All these things that he can wrap his arms around and he's got a talented staff. Look, Mark, Wayne Mullen has told me you got career officials at ice, been there for decades. You got career officials at cbp, Border Patrol. They've been there for decades. He's going to count on these career officials done this for decades to do their job. And I think that's the smart way to go about it. Let the people who've done this for decades who know, look, for instance, I have a close relationship with them. I worked for six presidents on immigration. I've seen hundreds of policies come and go. I know what worked, I know what didn't. And the same thing with CBP and ICE and these other agencies. Count on these career officials who've been on both sides, who've seen, you know, successes versus failures. Count on them and their knowledge. And Tom, it's a winning game, winning formula.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can I keep you for a few more minutes? I know your time is precious, but I'll work with you in the break. I got to take a quick break here on Real America's Voice. I'll be right back. Hopefully we have more with Tom Homan. Hang right there.

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[Tom Homan]

Mr.

[Charlie Kirk]

Borders are. I wanted to. You were talking about how Mark Wayne Mullen, Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen, can be effective in this role. I said and I defended you publicly on this. What you did in Minneapolis was an absolute masterstroke. You got cooperation at the local prisons and the county jails. Explain what you did there and how that can be a model of working with blue. These blue jurisdictions, these sanctuary cities across the country.

[Tom Homan]

Well, look, we know that we have a problem sanctuary cities, because we know they're releasing public safety threats back into the community. They're releasing public safety threats back into the public, which I think is just plain stupid. So when we got to Minnesota, I met with the governor and the attorney general and the mayors about cooperation. I explained to more agents in the jail means less agents in the street because, you know, we can arrest a criminal, illegal alien. The safety and security of a jail, where it's safer for the alien, safer for the officer, certainly safer for the community. But when they release him to the street, we got to send a whole team to go look for them because officer safety concerns and in Minneapolis, things are out of control. So not only did we send a team to go look to arrest the bad guy, then we had to send an additional team as backup because of the chaos that was going on. The threats can slice officers. So what one officer could have done in the jail or two, now we got 14, 15 guys out there in the street for that one guy. And when you got, you know, 20 different teams out, you're talking about hundreds of people, the rest a few people. So I explained, and I understand that that raises fear in the community that you have a bunch of ICE officers out there in tactical gear to arrest the bad guy. I said, you want those, want that vision to go away? Then let us send a damn jail. And you know, we got unprecedented cooperation. So it was a win. But we also got to rem that we're out there enforcing immigration law. As President Trump said, we gotta prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. We got almost 700,000 illegal aliens and criminals that are walking the streets of this country. We gotta get the worst first. And I think that's a smart way of doing business. It's not less enforcement it's smarter enforcement. You got a criminal here, a non criminal here. Who are you going to arrest first? Who's the biggest threat to our community? Of course not. The criminal is. But as I said in day one, if you're in the country legally, you're not off the table. Go on, find you, we're going to deport you. It's just a matter of smart enforcement, targeted enforcement. When we leave the building every morning, we know who we're going to look for. We know a lot about his criminal history and his immigration history. Pretty much got a pretty good idea where he lives, where he works, and that's the way they do operations. It's safer for the agents, safer for the communities. Then that's where we're going to go. Move forward as President Trump committed to. On day one, prioritizing the worst first again, doesn't mean amnesty, doesn't mean if you're in the country or legally you didn't commit another crime, you're off the table. That's not what it means. It's about smarter enforcement.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, I know we have an audience question.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, we have. I think I've told you about this in private, Tom, but I wanted to get it on the air. We have a viewer who emails us very often and he asks if you can say publicly to announce to all of America confidently that any illegal aliens who try to vote in the coming elections will be caught and will be deported

[Tom Homan]

after we prosecute them. I mean, it's a crime to vote illegally in the United States, so we're going to take it seriously. You want to go to prison, Try it. But after we prosecute you, you will be deported. Absolutely. The President has made that clear. And that's why. Look, that's why Congress needs to pass Save America Act. I don't know why anybody wouldn't require identification to vote. I pick up tickets at will call to go to sporting event. I got to show id. I go pick up my dry cleaning, I show id. So why wouldn't you want to show ID to take advantage of the most significant thing this country has, your ability to vote for your next leader. I mean, it's a sacred. It's a sacred ability and we ought to keep rules wrapped around it. If you're not a citizen, don't vote. If you do vote, we're coming for you.

[Charlie Kirk]

How does that work? When you prosecute an illegal alien that has attempted to vote, do we throw them in prison or do we deport them once they're convicted?

[Tom Homan]

No, they're Going to prison time first. Then we'd be waiting at the door and it gets released and we'll send them home.

[Charlie Kirk]

Got it? Yeah. I'm gonna play a clip here from Gavin Newsom and I'll have you respond quickly here. SOT 6. It's self evident it's suboptimal feta say, when in fact it's ice and the conditions that have been perpetuated on the streets of America.

[Blake Neff]

What often is described as secret police

[Charlie Kirk]

that took an oath of office not to the Constitution, but to Donald Trump. The whole thing is rather reversed and

[Tom Homan]

I don't know how it ends.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I'm not suggesting it's going to end badly. I just the behavior of this administration.

[Tom Homan]

Administration to negotiate an agreement with Democrats

[Charlie Kirk]

to address the vast majority of Americans concern about how ICE is currently being deployed and utilized. I just wish the President would take responsibility. So this is him playing off a narrative from the left where somehow ICE agents at airports or whatever, this is secret police. They're going to. There were some senators that were saying they were going to shoot people in the, in the airport. So we end where we begin. And Tom, your reaction to this narrative that they're trying to build?

[Tom Homan]

The same people who push this negative narrative against ICE agents are the same ones who want to take the masks off. They're a reason we're wearing the masks. Their hateful rhetoric is convinced a small percentage of people who are already nuts to take, you know, violent actions, ICE officers. So, you know, if their hypo Reddit doesn't decrease, threats will continue to rise, assaults will continue to rise. Puts our officers in great danger, and it gives us more reason to try to protect themselves and their families. So, you know, and I'll say this, 30 seconds. Democrats, members of Congress can argue and complain all they want. We're enforcing laws they enacted. If they don't like it, change the law. If they want to cross Nazis for enforcing the law that they wrote, what's that make them? They created the law. So we're going to keep enforcing laws as mandated by Congress. That's appropriated funding to do this. That's exactly what we're going to do. The American people have spoken. They put Donald Trump in the Oval Office to enforce immigration law and secure the border. We have the most secure border in the history of this nation. And we're doing record number of arrest and deportations. It's not going to stop.

[Charlie Kirk]

And Mark Wayne Mullen is the new secretary of dhs. Commas, not dramas. I, I believe that that is our future. Let's wrap this man in bubble wrap. National hero and treasure. Borders are Tom Homan. Thank you sir. We'll see you soon. We'll be back in our team.

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Welcome to this real America's Voice News Break. I'm Taylor. Tax season is starting to wind down with tax day being less than a month away. Don't put off handling any business that you may have with the irs though if you happen to owe, that debt isn't going anywhere. It's only going to compound. Cameron Kinsey from Tax Network USA here to discuss some options you might want to consider. Karen, good morning.

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Always good to see you. So let's just get cut straight to the chase. What if someone truly can't afford to pay pay their taxes? What options do they have? How can Tax Network USA help out?

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There are some people who are listening to this and currently owe the IRS from last year and they're trying to put off till the very end to file again because the expectation is that they'll owe again. So now you owe on top of owing. How do you deal with that?

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[Terrence Bates]

Moving forward with this, how does one start a relationship or at least start the contact with Tax Network USA?

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[Terrence Bates]

You use the term tax attorney.

[Tom Homan]

I.

[Terrence Bates]

Are most of your staff members tax attorneys, or do you at least have tax attorneys on staff who really know the ins and outs of the tax code as well as dealing with the irs?

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[Tom Homan]

You.

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[Terrence Bates]

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[Terrence Bates]

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[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right, welcome back. Hour two of the Charlie Kirk show is underway and we've done a little chair swap. Blake is now to my left because we have two the opposite of how

[Blake Neff]

it is in real life or in politics.

[Charlie Kirk]

To your right.

[Blake Neff]

No, no, I'm definitely to your right.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're like to my right on like corporal punishment.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Which is an important thing to be to someone's right On.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, that's one thing. I think I'm to your right on immigration. No, you're not. All right, here we go. Without further ado, we have Addison Markurt and Danielle Cosetto. Danielle is the ASU chapter chair. She runs their social. Right, their social account, the X account, all this stuff. And Addison is the ASU chapter vice president. So welcome. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Thank you for having us.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so the real most important question is who did better yesterday, Jack Posovic or Blake Neff?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Jack.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, she's. Sorry.

[Blake Neff]

Can I just turn around so that you can stab me in the back?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, go ahead. I mean, Jack is not here. You had an easy layup, but that's fine. I appreciate the candor. All right, so, yeah. So tell us, what was it like kind of getting back into the event world? Pick up the mic, having it on your chapter yesterday?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Oh, it was awesome. It was very expedited, so it was fun to see all of the hard work put into it, and it was definitely hard to fly her and get it advertised, but I think we had a good turnout, and it was really great having Blake and Jackson, so it was awesome.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's an important, like, muscle memory for chapters to have is like, get out and fly or get out and do the thing. Table, announce the event. What was. What was the reaction from students?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I think it was well received, and I think students appreciated the fact that they could go up to the mic and, you know, if they disagree, that's okay. Being able to hear both sides of the conversation, which is, I think, the number one thing that Charlie prioritized.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So what is it been like in the aftermath of when we lost Charlie? What's it been like for your chapter?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

The chapter has grown exponentially. It's been so there's light at the end of the tunnel.

[Charlie Kirk]

Silver lining.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Yeah, silver lining to everything. It's been awesome seeing everyone who didn't necessarily think that they wanted to get involved in politics until obviously seeing how important it is to be involved politically and. And talking to your peers, getting involved on campus, because they didn't see that before. They didn't think they needed the part to be a part of Turning Point because they were just like, oh, like, it'll go how it goes. But now they actually see a reason to, you know, step up and make their opinions heard.

[Charlie Kirk]

Same question to you.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

When Charlie died, I think it really just put a spark under our butts.

[Blake Neff]

I know.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I got involved with Turning Point after Charlie was assassinated. Yeah. Yeah. And just seeing how people have come together after that, it just makes our voices stronger.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, I have lots of questions, but, you know, you're the one who went and spent time with them yesterday.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I suppose. I suppose it's. Do you see any. What do they. In the wake of Charlie's loss, is there something that particularly appeals to him about his legacy? Do you see them leaning more towards the faith side of things, maybe in the past? Or do they see him as a guy to look towards in terms of debate, argument, politics?

[Charlie Kirk]

Just.

[Blake Neff]

I don't know. I tried to think of how young people look to Charlie now that he's no longer with us.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I can speak for myself, and I think that my thoughts on activism have certainly come up. It makes me just want to get more involved with knocking on doors, getting people to sign up for being a PC, et cetera, et cetera. And I think maybe for more people on asu, just. It sparks us to have even more open debates, hearing clearly what the other side has to say.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

I think he remains controversial. Definitely. People who are part of the chapter obviously see him as a great debater. And it doesn't matter what they thought of him before, they still appreciate what he's done for the youth and making our voices heard on, like, the liberal side of things. They. They don't like him still. I don't think they hate him as much to the extent that maybe they did before because they see that has to be asked.

[Blake Neff]

Do you run into. People will let people ever ridicule you about Charlie being dead? What will they do?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Yeah, they don't stop.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Yeah. They say, like, crazy things and they don't have a conversation. Like when you're tabling. Yes. When we're tabling, they'll walk past us and say something diabolical and it's very rude. Unprecedented.

[Blake Neff]

I heard last night that apparently someone showed up at a meeting at. I think when Erica showed up at the chapter and they made some sort of joke about Charlie being dead or something. And what happened with that?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Oh, well, he got put in his place for sure.

[Blake Neff]

That's good.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

I don't think he meant any malintent with that comment. He didn't know Erica was there. I'm sure he would have held his tongue a little bit more. I'd hope so if he knew because. Because he's a great guy. He was just trying to be funny.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, dear. That's not a funny thing to joke, by the way. That's what I told the. Whatever. The progressive group. That's Trying to troll and draft off Turning Point. I just said, don't disrespect my dead friend and don't post pictures on social media. It's not cool. It's not funny. I don't care what Trump says. Yeah, okay. They made this whole point about Bob Mueller and who's that other guy? The actor?

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

Rob Reiner.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rob Reiner. And I was just like, so what? If you don't like it when he does it, why are you doing it to us?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Why are you doing that to Charlie? Anyway, so I want to talk about some of the issues. We've only got two and a half minutes in this segment. We have a whole nother segment.

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

Iran.

[Charlie Kirk]

What are even Trump supporting? Students. Students, you know, voted for Trump. What are they feeling about the Iran war?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I think that mostly they're saying, you know, Trump said no new wars. Now we're in a war. Talking about prices going up, especially gas. I don't know if you want to add on that, Addie, wait a minute.

[Blake Neff]

Do students at ASU still drive or.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Blake Neff]

Okay. You guys are living large. I didn't have a car in college.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I don't either.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

They're mixed. People who voted for Trump are either in support of him or they're totally against it. Because, like Danny said, no new wars. That's one of the primary reasons. At least I voted for him, and a lot of the people in the chapter voted for him, and we don't want to lose American lives.

[Charlie Kirk]

Does this change your opinion of the president?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

My opinion of the president hasn't really changed all that much. I obviously am not in full support for everything that he does, and I didn't want any new wars. I don't think interference in the Middle east is in America's best interest. So they're the same.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you still support the president, but you don't support this particular war?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

That's correct.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so when you hear people talking about, oh, they've been a threat to the United States for 47 years, the nuclear threat, what was that island? The Diego.

[Blake Neff]

Diego Garcia.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the island, when you see that they actually have the ability to shoot missiles extraordinarily far, I think that was like 2,000 miles away. Does any of that change the way you think about it? Is it still just like, hey, it's thousands of miles away. We want a nation build here at home.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Well, like you said, we've been saying Iran has been building a nuke for 47 years, and they just don't have one. So I don't really see them as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

When you see Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff say we sat with them and they said they have enough nuclear material to build 11 nukes, that those kind of things don't change your calculus. I'm not giving, I'm not trying to tell you right or wrong. I'm just wondering. I'm trying to get inside your psyche. Like what, what works, what is persuasive, what's not?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Well, I think the military in the Operation Epic Fury, they've been targeting those facilities and they have hit them. We've decimated their nuclear capacity. From what I have seen.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Can I just add something? I actually disagree. I think that they're a threat to our national security and I think that what Trump is doing is a broader part of trying to limit long term threats.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fair enough. Yeah. And we'll keep going. Maybe we'll even go through the break. This is fun. I wanna tell you guys about blackout coffee. I love blackout coffee. I drink it every day in the studio. This is true story. I personally love the. Oh, there it is. The Morning Reaper is my personal favorite. Blake loves the name. It's delicious stuff. They're also their brutal awakening. They have two, a medium roast. They have instant coffee, coffee pods if you're a Keurig person. So check out all that stuff. You can even save more if you sign up for a subscription and then you earn rewards. Free coffee. It's the best way to go. If you're going to continually drink it over time. Please check it out. Blackout coffee.com Charlie. That's blackoutcoffee.com Charlie. Use promo code Charlie for 20% off your first order. These are amazing people, great patriots. This is not some global coffee corporations. These are American entrepreneurs. So Support them, please. Blackoutcoffee.com Charlie check them out today. Great people, great coffee. We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right, welcome back. We are still joined by our ASU Chapter students. Amazing, amazing conversation here. I want to tell you really quickly about why refi so if you have private student loan debt, which actually could be relevant to you guys, it totals about

[Blake Neff]

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[Charlie Kirk]

We do this all the time. But he still has to grab for it.

[Blake Neff]

He's 45 billion of which is distress.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, 45 billion of which is labeled as distressed or defaulted. So if you find yourself in a position where you have defaulted or distressed Private student loan debt. Check out why refi. Why refi.com today? Great patriots around this company that wake up every day trying to help students that because of the debt burden that they experience, are putting off family formation, home buying, all of these important things, and we don't like that. And Yrefi talks to them, talks to their parents and helps them out. You can go to their website and actually see before and after payments, how much they paid before versus how much they paid after. And it's pretty breakthrough stuff for these families. So go to yrefi.com, check it out. They don't care what your credit score is. You can even skip a payment every six months up to 12 times without penalty. Amazing [e-mail] all right, so let's take this broader. What would you say are the main issues that students are talking about when it comes to politics right now?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Immigration, for sure. That's definitely split up right now. I would say the conservatives are for more mass deportations, and liberals are more for, you know, aiding them and helping them. And since they help out our economy, oh, they should stay here. Is definitely an issue. And then again, affordability. Prices are skyrocketed, wages are low.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

So that's exactly what I was going to say.

[Charlie Kirk]

Immigration, too.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Immigration and affordability.

[Charlie Kirk]

So obviously, the turning point chapter wants more of a hardline immigration approach, but what about the larger student body?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I think at asu, I conducted interviews regarding ice. We had a bunch of ICE protests on campus. When was that? Like a month ago, maybe? And it was an overwhelming response of fi. Get them off of our campus. Get them out of America. You know, like nobody's, you know, like, on stolen land, you know, kind of

[Charlie Kirk]

stuff nobody's illegal on.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

And, yeah, I mean, we conducted maybe 20 interviews that day, and I think we only got two people that were pro ice. So that was really eye opening.

[Charlie Kirk]

So maybe them helping with the TSA lines is this huge new PR blitz where they're gonna generate all this goodwill.

[Blake Neff]

I mean, I'd love to believe that. My guess is you actually probably just need to steamroll this sentiment, is my guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

What do you mean?

[Blake Neff]

Well, like, I don't think the kind of person who thinks ICE is a fascist paramilitary because they enforce our laws are going to be won over by anyone working a TSA line. I think they have. They have just kind of have a virus in their brain, especially if they're also falling for, oh, like the US Is on stolen land. Land back. These people, they just want to destroy America. It's unfortunately a very tempting attitude.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what about jobs? When we talk about immigration, H1B, there were some students we'd had on that were super focused on H1B. Do you guys talk about H1B stealing college grads?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Jobs here and there. It's definitely. There's way too many H1B visas going out that should be going to American citizens first. However, that's not very top of mind.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

What about jobs in general? The AI revolution.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

I did. So one of Jack's talking points was in the agricultural sector, which immigrants work in, replacing them with AI when they're deported because the wages are so low.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like robotics and things.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Yeah, mechanization, things like that. I totally disagree with that. I do think it should be going to Americans, even if that means corporations and farms have to raise their wages to incentivize people to do that.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think automation is probably coming one way or the other, but maybe there's some. Yeah, I agree with you. In general, if there's jobs that need to be done, give those to Americans, too.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Go ahead, Blake. No, no, no. Okay, so what are the big topics? Maybe they're related to politics, maybe they're not. That are top of mind right now. Maybe cultural, musical. Maybe it's dating relationships. Maybe it's apps. What are people. What are kids talking about on college campus right now?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Well, I think because we're in the political part of campus, we interact with a lot of political people. Politics is obviously one. Donald Trump is a huge one. No one likes him. His executive cabinet, they're all questioning him. Maybe social media as well. That's a big topic. Just like the dating market. They don't like it. Looks maxing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Looks maxing. Yeah, we talked about that, actually, on our podcast.

[Blake Neff]

Well, ASU is. ASU has that guy. ASU Frat leader is some character on the Internet. Now, is that an actual student at ASU or.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

He's not. He doesn't even go to asu.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course he doesn't. He's too. He's too busy, like breaking micro fractions.

[Blake Neff]

No, you're thinking. Now you're thinking of a different. You're thinking of clavicular Does. That's actually the name.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Why do you know this?

[Blake Neff]

You had to do it for the show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Also, we're in. We're educating our audience.

[Blake Neff]

We need to know the important issue issues of the day.

[Charlie Kirk]

So do women in general, because you two are women. If there was a guy here, I'd ask them the same question. In reverse. But do women. When you're thinking about dating young men, is it bleak out there? Is it hard to date? Are you guys happy with your choices at asu?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

It's looking pretty dim.

[Charlie Kirk]

I feel like a lot of women say that about their local community.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

I think the guys are great.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so we have a difference of opinion here.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, well, what's your beef? What's your. Your.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I think that they're too focused on lust over love. And also, I'm young. I'm 18. I don't know. Like, I just want.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so you're like a freshman then.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I am a freshman.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I just want to do my own thing. I don't want to. You know what I mean? I don't need a date right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're 18. You're totally right. Right approach. What year are you?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Sophomore. I'm 19.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. And you think you're.

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

You have no issues being surrounded with conservative boys? Like, for most of my week yet. They're great. And there's good people in the world. And sure, social media can portray these guys as lustful creatures. Well, innately they are. I think there's more good people in the dating realm than there's not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you feel like young men are taking their faith seriously about at least the conservative guys? I mean, there was that NBC poll that. That pulled all the men and the women, and it was actually the men that wanted to get married, have families. Like, that was their top priorities. And it was the women that put that way down at the bottom of the list. They wanted their careers. They wanted to be boss babes. Do you see that? The boss babe thing, the career drive, Is that still top of the list for women, you think?

[ASU Chapter Chair Danielle Cosetto]

Oh, definitely. It may be dilated because of what I view on social media, but there are some serious men haters, and they're definitely doing the right thing. Getting a career, going to school. But there's a balance that we have to achieve with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. What do you think about the whole career versus family thing? How do you break it down?

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I think you can have both. I don't understand why you can't have both. I think a lot of women. Maybe it's just on social media like you said, but I feel like they think they can only have one or the other, and that's just not true. You can have both.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I've heard it said that you can have both, but not necessarily at the same time.

[Blake Neff]

Time.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

I don't agree with that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well, I mean, you're. You're 18. You haven't done it yet. I will. I have three kids and I will tell you that prioritizing family is a way better long term payoff. That's what I would say. Easy for me to say. I go to work every day. So. But, but my wife is, my wife is very in agreement with that. Well, you guys, this has been fascinating and a really good conversation and so thank you guys for making the time and coming. Thank you for supporting Blake, Jake and Jack yesterday at what seems like it was a great event.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

It was great.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Fantastic. More to come. More to come. Congratulations on, on the chapter exploding and we'll see you guys soon.

[ASU Chapter Vice President Addison Markurt]

Thank you guys.

[Tom Homan]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

God bless you guys. We'll be right back.

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The country has a new secretary of Homeland security this morning after the US Senate confirmed Oklahoma Republican Senator Mark Wayne Mullen on Monday. He's set to be sworn in at the White House quite literally any minute now. We'll of course take you there live the moment it happens. Mullen replaces Kristi Noem as head of the agency. Meantime, while in Memphis, Tennessee on Monday, President Trump joining a roundtable talking about making that city safe again. Here's some of what he had to say.

[Charlie Kirk Show Caller/Commentator]

Everybody has been killed from the regime. They're really starting off there's automatically a regime change. But we're dealing with some people that I find to be be very reasonable, very solid. The people within know who they are. They're very respected and maybe one of them will be exactly what we're looking for.

[Terrence Bates]

That was the president talking about the situation in Iran. He, of course, is keeping his eye on the prize in that particular country, Iran, dealing with a number of issues right now. As the president says that he is negotiating with Iranian leaders, he says the current Islamic regime ready to make a deal to end the war there. However, he also points out that the country's newly elected leader, Mojtaba Khamenei, hasn't been seen or heard from since his supposed election as the country's supreme leader. While discussing the ongoing negotiations, the president repeatedly used the term regime change. As you just heard in that sound bite, there's no word who the administration is negotiating with inside of Iran. Senior Iranian officials are now denying any ongoing talks with the United States. NTSB investigators are working to confirm what led to Monday's deadly plane crash at New York's Naglardia Airport. The pilot and co pilot of this Air Canada jet. We're getting ready to show you are dead and dozens of passengers are injured. After the plane hit a fire truck that was crossing the Tarmon. An air traffic controller reportedly gave the truck permission to respond to another plane that was reporting an odor on board. Moments later, the same air traffic tower repeatedly ordered that truck to stop. But by then it was too late. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Tom Homan]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Welcome back. Emails are flooding in. You guys seem to really love those student segments that we've been doing, so we're going to keep them up. I think they're really insightful and a good peek into their, their worldview. I want to tell you about Hillsdale College. Hillsdale's Amazing was Charlie's favorite college, the beacon of the North. Dr. Larry Arn is a great friend, continues to be a great friend of the organization of Erica's. And Charlie loved taking their online courses. One of the courses that he took, and these are 100% free, was the Genesis story taught by Hillsdale professor Dr. Justin Jackson. The free online course explores the relationship between God and man, what happens when that relationship is broken, and the path toward reconciliation. It is a real college course. It's rigorous, it's challenging, but it's accessible and free to anybody willing to learn. So be somebody that's willing to learn. Go to charlieforhillsdale.com right now to enroll today. Devote just a little bit of time. Learn something new every single day. And if you don't know where to start, this is the perfect place to start. Is there an amazing, amazing course? Charlieforhillsdale.com Charlie took 31 of these online courses. Try and do Charlie. Do 31. Do them all if you can, but start somewhere. Start with the Genesis story. It's an amazing, amazing course. Charlieforhillsdale.com all right. As we mentioned earlier, we were going to be joined by Michael Shellenberger and he's joining us now. Welcome to the show, Michael. It's great to have you. Thank you for. You know, we talked this morning after your story broke and boy, oh, boy, this is a big one. And you interviewed Joe Kent. And so I'll let you say it in your own words. What did he tell you?

[Terrence Bates]

You.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Hey, thanks for having me on, Andrew, inviting me on. Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty big news. Jo. Can, of course, the former director of the National Counterterrorism center, you know, has been saying for the last week that he thinks that, that he doesn't buy the lone shooter theory of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. He suspects there's a foreign nexus. Was the words he used involved in that assassination? He said that, that the FBI prevented him from investigating it and that he viewed that as suspicious. And if there was nothing there, he told me, then why did they prevent him from investigating it? I asked him if he was aware before he went public last week that Tyler Robinson, this is the suspected assassin of Charlie Kirk that his defense attorneys might actually call, came to the witness stand to argue that, that Robinson could not be convicted because the prosecutors had not given them all the information they had available to them. That's something known as the Brady Rule, named after a Supreme Court decision, I believe, in the 1960s. But nonetheless, most people are familiar with it from television, which is that the prosecutors can't deny federal government, can't deny, the government can't deny the defense any information. And Kent is saying that there is information and that the investigation itself was inadequate and that, you know, I spoke to a constitutional law legal scholar yesterday who said, you know, it would be a no brainer for the defense attorneys now for Robinson to use Kent statements as a way to, you know, gain an advantage or potentially a hung jury or a mistrial or something of that nature. So. So it's pretty serious for people that are interested in seeing justice served with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, listen, Michael, I know that you have to be sort of dispassionate. You're a reporter, but to me, this feels like a giant red line. This feels like galaxy brain run amok. Did you get a chance to ask him just straight up? Just because he didn't get let into the investigation doesn't mean it wasn't investigated.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Yeah, I mean, thanks. I appreciate the point. I mean, I'm trying to, you know, I mean, the truth is I actually like kind of everybody involved in this. I've always. I've actually admired Kent and the things he said in the past. I also care a lot about the transgender issue. We reported it exclusively on leaked.

[Charlie Kirk]

You've been amazing on this issue, Michael. Just to, just to underscore your point, you have been one of the, the lead voices exposing some of the craziness and the zaniness behind the, behind the transgender radical trans ideology. So I just wanted to give you some bona fides there.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's a.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Obviously it's a big issue, and I think many Americans felt that they didn't need to pay attention to the issue at all. But now we've seen trans identified people engaged in shootings. Obviously. Or maybe not obviously. Probably, obviously to your audience, it was the last thing that Charlie Kirk was talking about before he was assassinated. It appears as though the evidence that Tyler Robinson committed that assassination is pretty overwhelming. And, and to be fair, to, to Joe Kent, he didn't dispute that. What's really, what he's raising here is that there may be some broader conspiracy and there's not a lot of evidence for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

And.

[Michael Shellenberger]

But nonetheless, because Kent is such an important voice, he could easily be used by the defense attorneys. I did directly ask him repeatedly that, you know, given that his agency is an intelligence gathering, a really intelligence synthesizing and coordinating agencies, part of the broader coordinating intelligence mission of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, you know, he didn't have the authorities to do a law enforcement investigation. It was FBI investigation. And. And, you know, didn't he sort of need to trust that his colleagues at the FBI and elsewhere or. And also with the Utah police, law enforcement, at some point, you know, you can pass along a tip or an idea, but don't you at some point have to sort of trust unless you have other evidence, you know, And I asked him if he had other evidence, you know, of some sort of corruption or conspiracy, and he said he didn't. So it kind of raises the question of, you know, what is this sort of based on? Because I think it's worth pointing out to people that the restrictions on Kent's authority to investigate the Kirk murder are not arbitrary. It's not something that Director Cash Patel, whatever you think of him, sort of invented as a way to stymie a proper investigation. Those key. Those restrictions on investigative power are what protect us as citizens. It's written into our constitution. It's part of our lock in system of government. And I think we saw those. We saw the intelligence community abuse those powers to create the Russiagate hoax. You know, that Russia gave conspiracy. So. And it's not just that. I mean, we can go through, you know, that wasn't the first time the intelligence community had abused its powers, but when you go through. So. So these, the. The restrictions on Kent that I think for people that maybe haven't thought about it a lot or haven't, you know, that don't work, don't. Aren't familiar with the intricacies of why these laws exist. I think it's important context, like these laws are not there to prevent a thorough investigation or to cover up things. And it certainly wasn't a subjective determination by the FBI director. It's written into laws. And those laws are there, you know, first and foremost to protect us, obviously. But obviously part of the process of protecting innocent civilians is also to make sure that you get the guilty party and you don't go off and engage in activities that would potentially entrap innocent people.

[Blake Neff]

So two questions for you, Michael. So first of all, I just want to really harp on this point. He didn't present any. Did he present A single example of evidence against Tyler Robinson that he believes may have been flawed or mistaken on one end. And on the other end, did he give you a single concrete example of evidence in the case that he believes that he specifically that went uninvestigated by the FBI or by any other law enforcement?

[Michael Shellenberger]

I'm afraid I can't answer all of these questions because I have to protect. But I will say that he presented nothing on the record and hasn't presented anything on the record.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay. So I wanna. I would love to follow up on that, but I have a feeling that we're gonna. Yeah, there's nothing you could say. Yeah, I mean, here's the problem, though. So he's now essentially said that he's willing to go testify ostensibly on behalf of the defense on Tyler Robinson's defense. I've heard him say in other interviews that, you know, he's. He said, I'm sure there's a slam dunk case against Tyler Robinson. I'm not saying it wasn't him, but now it seems like almost he's moved on from that point. Did you ascertain his sense, his internal sense of the guilt of Tyler Robinson or not?

[Michael Shellenberger]

Well, this is. Let's get into this part because this is extremely important and important to understand. And I posted all of the on the record portions of our interview. I posted. And also was very careful to make sure that the stuff that was posted was on the record after the fact. Confirmed it with Kent earlier today, before publishing. So everything that's in that. In that recording is over 30 minutes, I think. What's. He also said that he thought that there was a strong case against Robinson. And I don't think he's changed that view. I'm not. Well, I should put it this way. I don't think anybody in the media had yet asked him directly and kind of consistently if he was aware that his allegations could be used by Robinson's defense team to argue that Robinson was potentially a victim of a wider conspiracy. And Kent said that he was aware of that before going public. Look, the Brady Rule is not an obscure rule. I mean, everybody knows that defense attorneys are going to need to know everything that went into some investigation, any government investigation. That's a really important civil liberties protection. And similarly, it's a protection. It's a protection of the innocent. It's a strong protection of people, of defendants that people may be very convinced are already guilty. But it's also there to make sure

[Charlie Kirk]

that

[Michael Shellenberger]

you're not, you know, like, we've been Talking about abusing those authorities. But he said he was aware of that. He said he wasn't, like, volunteering to testify, but he said he was aware that he, he might be asked to investigate. And like I said, I think. I think if. I'd be shocked if Robinson's attorneys don't use this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, of course, yeah. This is the obvious. This is the obvious result of this, is that he's doing this PR tour.

[Blake Neff]

And, and that's what infuriates me is he's like, endlessly. He's like someone who's vague, posting on Facebook. Facebook where he's like, there's. There's things I might know, people should know. I might.

[Charlie Kirk]

But I can't tell you what those are. But I can't go.

[Blake Neff]

I can't go on the record with this reporter that I'm talking to. I can't, like, it's just say what you actually think happened. If you want to do that, you can at least argue with him. But like, this endless appeal to. Well, I had the senior job. I saw things everywhere. Like, I'm sick and tired of seeing this, and I always see it from the same people who are maximally conspiratorial.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right, we are back with Michael Shellenberger, who has just interviewed Joe Kent and with the bombshell that he is willing to testify at the trial of Tyler Robinson, probably going to be a defense witness at this point. I don't think there's any way around that. Here's what I want everybody to know. Shortly after Tyler Robinson's arrest, the prosecutors released a probable cause affidavit detailing the evidence gathered immediately after Charlie's assassination. The evidence presented at that time was overwhelming, but people also need to remember this. In the months that have followed, we know the investigation has continued. More details will come out in May when the assassin has a probable cause hearing. And we are certain there will be even more evidence submitted against Tyler Robinson by the state. And that's a. So the frustration here, Michael, is that we have this. This vacuum, this void that's been created where the investigation is kind of still ongoing. They're still gathering it, getting it presentable for this May probable cause hearing. But the Internet never stops. And Joe Kent resigned when he did, and now he's doing this PR tour and it really does. And I want to get this through the audience's head. This really does have a potential to not only taint a jury pool, but to undermine the very prosecution of Tyler Robinson, who I am 100% convinced convinced pulled the trigger and killed Charlie Kirk. Could you just speak to that?

[Michael Shellenberger]

Yeah, sure. I mean, I think, you know, the first thing that's just worth acknowledging is that, you know, the American people, all of us, have seen, you know, real world conspiracies exposed. And I mean, by conspiracies, you know, illegal secret activity by the government. Russiagate collusion hoax is the most famous. We uncovered a censorship industrial complex whereby government officials working with intelligence community officials or recently departed intelligence community officials pressured social media companies to engage in mass censorship. We saw a cover up of the science of Covid's origins almost certainly in a laboratory in China. So I think Americans are. And that's not even to get into other spectacular potential conspiracies like JFK or uap.

[Charlie Kirk]

We've been on all of that stuff as well, Mike. I'm not. We, like the conspiracy theorists, have been proven right about a lot. But that was before you had people that Charlie helped get in these positions in the first place, you know, as part of the investigative arm. You know, I just. Anyways, I'm sorry I cut you off. Please.

[Michael Shellenberger]

Well, no, I mean, I think that's just important context that you Know, I'm, I'm my opponent, my critics call me, accuse me of being an irresponsible conspiracy theorist. So, so. But I also just think it's important, you know, obviously that you have evidence to allege potential, you know, you know, really strong evidence to put especially behind really strong allegations like this one. And I think a lot of times right now, you know, because the social media and podcasting is so powerful that I think, you know, it's fun, it's entertaining. You know, everybody loves a good conspiracy theory. And, and I think that's, you know, I think actually some amount of speculation is necessary. I think you should ask. Asking even outrageous questions is totally appropriate. I think too, I think, though, that there are consequences potentially if that starts to affect things like juries, you know, and it starts to, you know, I think the point is that we want to have trust in our institutions. It's not that we want to be in a state of permanent distrust. We need to have. That's why you need a regular changes of government to have a clean house. I have seen no evidence that anybody in this administration would do anything. I mean, this is an administration that's absolutely passionate about Charlie Kirk. I think everybody knows that the reaction from the Trump administration, the White House, all the federal agencies was of just shock and horror and outrageous. So I just don't see how you, how any broader conspiracy could be either carried out or, or covered up in the ways that I think Jokan is suggesting here. And, and so, you know, like, like, you know, if there, there's just really not, there's just not anything here that would suggest that there's a cover up going on that I'm seeing or that anybody else was involved than, you know, than Tyler Robinson, you know, and I think Ken, at one point, sort of, or a couple points maybe in the interview, sort of agreed that you don't need anybody else. I mean, Tyler Robinson, you know, it appears from the evidence has been released so far, there's ample motive and a lot of evidence that he did it. So I don't, I just don't see the need to add something else to it. And again, you would think, well, maybe it's just for fun and, you know, just, just podcasting entertainment, but in this case, I think the consequences could be quite serious.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and that's what I think we're all terrified of. And I just want to make a point here I am for asking questions. This is why I shared the group chat with Joe Kent in the first place. I'm not Afraid of the answer to those questions. If Israel had a hand in killing Charlie, I want to know. I wanted to know. No, what I am telling you is that we've had six months plus since that time to track down all those leads, none of which have been corroborated, none of which have actionable evidence behind, none of which have been presented in any way, shape or form to suggest there was. There was a probable that there's any

[Blake Neff]

evidence, overwhelming evidence, very rapidly.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's zero evidence. That's my point.

[Blake Neff]

Currently facing trial.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I am willing to ask the hard questions. We want the truth. But when there's no evidence and there's no facts that would back up those questions, then you have to say, okay, moving on. All right, you couldn't corroborate it. Okay, so I'm not anti asking questions. I'm not anti conspiracy theories. I'm open to it all, okay? But you have to have facts. And the recklessness with which these accusations are being thrown out now has real world implications. And I just. It's this brain rot, Michael, that's driving me insane being on the other side of it. I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way, having been on this side of it, because people make jumps to conclude, they jump to conclusions, they connect disparate pieces of evidence, and they connect them in ways that don't make any sense. So anyways, I guess final minute to you, Michael. Where does this leave us and what do you expect to happen next?

[Michael Shellenberger]

Yeah, I mean, for me, I, you know, having worked on this for now, a couple days, and really it's been heavy focus on it. I kind of walk away, just reminded that these, these restrictions on what intelligence agencies can do are really good and important and we wouldn't want to reduce those protections. I'm not seeing evidence of a wider conspiracy. I don't think anyone's presented evidence of that. I am very worried about this affecting the trial. I think most people, when they think about what's occurred now, would share that concern. And, you know, I think that people sometimes want to have a bigger meaning for the Charlie Kirk assassination. Like it couldn't just be one guy. I mean, because the assassination is just, it's one of the, you know, most significant political assassinations in American history. And so to kind of go, it's just a guy, you know, you know, that had a, maybe a furry fetish and a trans identified boyfriend. I think for a lot of people that might feel like not big enough or something or significant enough enough, and I would say it is big enough. What's I mean, Charlie Kirk's whole legacy is tied up with him not going along with the idea that he needed to agree with a belief that you could change your sex or that men could become women.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a powerful insight, Michael. We got to wrap it up. That's a powerful insight. The it's not psychologically satisfying enough. The truth for some people, but the truth has to be the truth at some point. Thank you, Michael, for joining us on short, short notice. Thank you, my friend. We'll be back tomorrow.

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