The Charlie Kirk Show, November 18, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – November 18, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice | Host: Charlie Kirk & Panel
Notable Guests: Former President Donald Trump, Miranda Devine, Benny Ray Harmony, Terrence Bates, others
Theme: Unfiltered political analysis, U.S.-Saudi relations, immigration, Epstein files, legislative priorities, wokeness, and media transparency.

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Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, broadcast on November 18, 2025, dives deep into several top issues:

• Breaking news on Congressional action to release Jeffrey Epstein files
• A live Oval Office meeting with President Trump and Saudi Crown Prince, spotlighting economic, defense, and technological cooperation
• A critical discussion of recent immigration policy moves and H1B visa reforms
• Debate over America’s cultural and political direction, including an analytical conversation on the feminization of institutions and its effects
• Investigative insights into the would-be Trump assassin, Thomas Crooks, with journalist Miranda Devine

Throughout, the tone is combative, skeptical of mainstream narratives, and solidly in favor of the podcast’s populist, America-first ideology.

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Key Discussion Points and Segments

1. H1B Visas, Immigration, and American Labor ([00:24]–[03:12])

• Trump discusses "retraining" Americans for industries like semiconductor manufacturing:

  “If you’re going to be making chips, … we have to train our people how to make chips.” (Donald Trump, [00:32])

• Charlie Kirk and Trump outline new immigration reforms:

  • $100,000 fee on new H1B visas
  • Higher standards for vetting all foreign visas
  • Revocation of tens of thousands of visas; focus on denaturalization
  • Stance against "welfare tourism" and "illegal abuses of the H1B program"
  • First net negative migration in over 50 years

• Targeting companies employing undocumented workers:

  “Attract a lot of these illegal aliens that come in and steal American jobs, we’re going to focus on those American companies as well.” (Charlie Kirk, [01:39])

• Language and workforce concerns:

  “You’re supposed to be able to speak English in America.” (Donald Trump, [02:33])

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2. U.S. Politics: Parties, Policy, and Leadership [03:12–04:44]

• Republicans cast as the party of the working class; skepticism about Democratic leadership
• Discussion of infighting on the right; hope for renewed unity with Trump "back on message"
• Policy focus: tariffs, tax dividends, affordable health care

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3. Breaking News: Epstein Files and Legislative Priorities [05:08]–[12:55]; [78:43]–[81:04]

• House poised for a major vote to force the DOJ to release all Epstein-related files
• Trump signals willingness to sign the bill
• Victim advocacy at the center of debate; lawmakers stress need to protect identities
• Debate over redaction—calls for total transparency vs. privacy concerns
• Bipartisan support anticipated; Speaker Johnson and other leaders noted

  “This is not political, this is human.” (Victim Danielle, as quoted by Benny Ray Harmony, [07:10]) “We want the facts. We want the truth.” (Benny Ray Harmony quoting victims, [08:34])

• Ongoing challenges with appropriations, government shutdown risk; both parties pressured by constituents

Notable Exchange:

“The reality is though…we’re still looking at January 30th and lawmakers are still working on trying to get those appropriations bills passed… they don’t expect the government to shut down.” (Benny Ray Harmony, [09:48])

• Mood in Congress:
  Republicans eager to “put Epstein to bed”; Democrats seen as pursuing “political show votes” ([12:55])

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4. Oval Office: Trump & Saudi Crown Prince Press Conference ([23:28]–[55:39])

Major Topics

• Historic Investment Announcement:

  • Saudi investment in the U.S. rises from $600 billion to $1 trillion ([31:09])

  • Focused on AI, technology, energy sector, and manufacturing jobs

    “We are signing today…that will create a lot of investment opportunities” (Crown Prince, [31:13])

  • Trump touts record-breaking U.S. economic performance

    “$21 trillion will be the amount invested in the United States or committed to invest in one year…The United States is right now the hottest country in the world.” (Trump, [24:56])

• Defense and Technology Cooperation:

  • Joint AI initiatives, manufacturing, GE plant expansion ([32:47])
  • F35 fighter jets soon to be sold to Saudi Arabia; discussion of U.S. qualitative military edge for Israel ([40:43])

  “We’re going to sell them F35s…they’re buying them from Lockheed and it’s a great plane.” (Trump, [44:12])

  • Talk of advanced semiconductor export licenses and Saudi domestic technological development ([34:45])

• Middle East Diplomacy:

  • Crown Prince calls for “clear path to two-state solution”; interest in joining Abraham Accords ([42:00])
  • Trump claims U.S.-Saudi defense treaty is nearly finalized ([42:48])

• Handling of Controversial Topics:

  • Confrontations with media on conflict of interest, Jamal Khashoggi, and 9/11

  “Fake News. ABC Fake News. One of the worst…But I’ll answer your question. I have nothing to do with the family business…” (Trump, [36:30])

  • Crown Prince defends Saudi anti-terrorism posture and addresses 9/11 ([37:33])

• Foreign Policy On Iran, Syria, and Gaza:

  • U.S., Saudi willingness to broker peace, rebuild Gaza, and support stable relations among Middle Eastern countries ([43:27], [60:54])

• Personal Remarks and Leadership:

  “When you love your job, when you love your country... you don’t want to sleep.” (Trump, [49:53])

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5. U.S. Domestic Policy and Health Care Stalemate ([10:58]–[12:25])

• Funding for health care (Obamacare subsidies), SNAP, and Medicaid is a sticking point in ongoing appropriations talks
• Speaker Johnson expected to permit votes, but Republican majority likely blocks significant healthcare expansion

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6. Canadian Conservatism & Nationalism ([18:42]–[21:47])

• Audience Q&A with “Sarah” from Canada about the Conservative Party of Canada (CPC) and the rise of populism

  “If you are not tapping into the populist energy of your party, you’re gonna miss the boat.” (Charlie Kirk, [21:48])

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7. Investigative Segment: Would-be Trump Assassin Thomas Crooks ([82:42]–[100:51])

• Miranda Devine reveals findings on Crooks’ online activity:

  • Known for disturbing furry fetish art and violent imagery
  • Dramatic online shift from pro- to anti-Trump rhetoric in 2020
  • Associations with radical/neo-Nazi figures, notably “Willie Tepes”
  • 4-year gap in social media presence; intrigued by links to Las Vegas shooting and use of FBI agent aliases

  “My source went through 17 different online platforms…he found that this would-be assassin…Thomas Crooks had logged into or had accounts with. And one of them was…DeviantArt, which…is the biggest online hub for furry activity…” (Miranda Devine, [83:06])

  • Congressional report omits Crooks’ online activity; FBI stonewalls inquiry
  • Concerns about “vacuum of information” fueling conspiracy

• Critique of FBI and Media Transparency:

  “Why did [the FBI] not include this [online activity] in the congressional report? The only sort of time…Christopher Wray testified…We searched our database, and there’s nothing about Thomas Crooks before Butler… Why the lack of candor?” (Miranda Devine, [86:41], summarized)

• On the problem of secrecy and conspiracy:

  “None of us want to engage in conspiracy theories…it’s really incumbent on those people in charge to just be straightforward and open…” (Miranda Devine, [100:07])

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8. “Great Feminization” – Wokery, Gender, and Cultural Change ([72:48]–[78:27])

• Author Helen Andrews analyzes demographic feminization’s impact on institutions

  • “Wokeness” described as manifestation of “female patterns of behavior”
  • Institutions become feminized as male behaviors are pushed out, not by merit but by environmental design

  “Men are much better at resolving conflict and then moving on, whereas women tend to hold on to things…and that’s what we saw a lot during wokeness.” (Helen Andrews, [73:51])

• Implications for society and solutions debated:

  “Are there any institutions or organizations that are too feminized in this unnatural way?” (Helen Andrews, [78:27])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Saudi Investment Surprise:

  “You are doing that now. You're saying to me now that the $600 billion will be $1 trillion?... I like that.” (Donald Trump, [31:13])

• Addressing ABC News over conflict of interest question:

  “Fake News. ABC Fake News. One of the worst...I have nothing to do with the family business...What my family does is fine.” (Donald Trump, [36:30])

• Defending U.S.-Saudi Relationship and 9/11:

  “Whoever [is] buying [that the Saudis did 9/11], that means they are helping Osama Bin Laden’s purpose of destroying this relation...” (Crown Prince, [37:33])

• On Epstein Files:

  “As far as the Epstein files, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert. But I guess I turned out to be right.” (Trump, [58:00])

• Critique of Wokeness:

  “Wokeness was an inability to have any kind of open debate because the very existence of that debate seemed too much like conflict and conflict had to be suppressed.” (Helen Andrews, [76:01])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Immigration & H1B: [00:24]–[03:12]
• Political Landscape & Infighting: [03:12]–[04:44]
• Epstein Files & Victims: [05:08]–[12:55], [78:43]–[81:04]
• Canadian Conservatism Q&A: [18:42]–[21:47]
• U.S.-Saudi Oval Office Meeting: [23:28]–[55:39]
• Feminization/Wokeness Discussion: [72:48]–[78:27]
• Assassination Attempt Investigation (Miranda Devine): [82:42]–[100:51]

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Conclusion

This episode was packed with hard-hitting interviews, urgent legislative developments, and unfiltered commentary. Real America’s Voice delivers conservative, America-first analysis with a focus on transparency, challenging establishment narratives, and prioritizing national sovereignty and security. The debate over the Epstein files, the Trump-Saudi partnership, and the lingering questions over the Butler assassination attempt demonstrate both the accomplishments and the unresolved controversies shaping American politics in 2025.

Transcript

[Miranda Devine]

This is an I heart podcast.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Miranda Devine]

About H1B visas.

[Charlie Kirk]

You said that there were certain talents.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

That Americans needed to outsource to foreign workers.

[Miranda Devine]

Could you clarify?

[Donald Trump]

Learn that? Yeah. Like for instance, if you're going to be making chips, we don't make chips too much here anymore, but we are going to be in a period of a year, we're going to have a big portion of the chip market, but we have to train our people how to make chips.

[Charlie Kirk]

President Trump through to 12F has put a $100,000 fee on new H1B is. We're already seeing a dramatic change in the processing of these visas. As a result of that, the Department of Labor has launched Project Firewall to fight illegal discrimination against Americans and illegal abuses of the H1B program. You also have the highest standard of vetting that ever put into place in new visas, including foreign student visas. The State Department has revoked tens of thousands of visas, and they're just getting started with tens of thousands of more. We have a new focus on denaturalizations. We have a new focus on cutting back on welfare tourism and welfare migration. And of course, you've seen again, for the first time in over half a century, net negative migration to this country.

[Terrence Bates]

We're going to focus on the worst of the worst.

[Donald Trump]

But we're also going to make sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you're here in the country legally, we're going to get you out.

[Donald Trump]

And to the employers who employ and.

[Charlie Kirk]

Attract a lot of these illegal aliens that come in and steal American jobs, we're going to focus on those American companies as well.

[Donald Trump]

We're losing hundreds of thousands of people to drugs. So now we've stopped the waterways, but we know every route. We know every route. We know the addresses of every drug lord. We know their address. We know their front door. We know everything about every one of them. They're killing our people. That's like a war.

[Terrence Bates]

This is a country based on racism.

[Charlie Kirk]

And slavery, and founded in it, there.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Is systemic racism and misogyny and misogyny.

[Miranda Devine]

There's a reason why this country has.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Only had one black male president. There's a reason we will see another black.

[Terrence Bates]

You have CDL mills, these private businesses.

[Donald Trump]

That are allowing people to get commercial.

[Charlie Kirk]

Driver'S licenses without having the requisite skill set.

[Donald Trump]

You're supposed to be able to speak English in America. You have to be proficient in the English language.

[Charlie Kirk]

A lot of these people can't even speak the language.

[Donald Trump]

These are great American paying jobs, great American companies. They're not going to American drivers anymore. They're not going to American drivers.

[Charlie Kirk]

These, the rates are coming down for truckers.

[Donald Trump]

You can't sustain yourself.

[Charlie Kirk]

You can't make a living as an American truck driver because Joe Biden let a flood of these foreigners come into.

[Donald Trump]

The country and now compete against the American worker. There's still a lot of work to do and we're making tremendous progress. 1.9 million more American born workers are employed today than when I took office. Think of that. And wages for hourly workers are rising at the fastest pace in 60 years.

[Terrence Bates]

The Republicans are the party of the working class and of the manufacturing jobs.

[Charlie Kirk]

I wish we had real political competition.

[Terrence Bates]

In this country, but we just don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, so it looks like the.

[Donald Trump]

Republican Party may be competing against the socialists. It looks like Chuck's on his last.

[Charlie Kirk]

Legs and like Gavin Newsom of all people is like the one semi normal Democrat that's like keeping everything at bay. I mean, is this what we're facing?

[Donald Trump]

I'm pretty confident going into these midterms.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now there was the past couple of.

[Terrence Bates]

Weeks are a little worrying with the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Infighting on the right with some of.

[Terrence Bates]

These foreign policy issues. But you know, today it seems like.

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump is back on message. The infighting is sort of dying down. And when it comes to what the.

[Terrence Bates]

Republicans have to offer, we have wasted a little time on the old Epstein. But maybe that's just political strategy. I gotta be honest, I look at.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Democrats and with the future of.

[Terrence Bates]

The party being AOC and Mamdani, they don't have anything tangible to offer.

[Charlie Kirk]

In fact, I'm seeing reporting now that.

[Terrence Bates]

Staten island wants to secede from New York City because Mamdani does not have the confidence of even his own city. So I can look at Trump and.

[Charlie Kirk]

I can understand tariffs, I can understand.

[Terrence Bates]

These tax policies, these dividends. They make sense.

[Donald Trump]

This system. This system is failing the American people and it's only going to get worse. What are we going to do?

[Terrence Bates]

There's no doubt about that, Joe.

[Charlie Kirk]

We have a broken health care system and unfortunately, Republicans have decided to break it even further.

[Terrence Bates]

And this relates my pledge to every.

[Donald Trump]

Family and every small business is that I will not rest until you are richer, stronger, more successful, happier. That begins with making America. We have to do. The word is affordable. And affordable should be our word, not theirs.

[Terrence Bates]

Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. Happening today, the US House expected to vote on a measure that would force the Justice Department to release all of the information from related to the Jeffrey Epstein case, we're expecting a vote to happen here in short order. Let's take you right to the U.S. capitol. Benny Ray Harmony joining us. She is RAV's congressional correspondent. So, Benny Ray, this is an anticipated vote. It's something that President Trump has even reversed course on as recently as last night saying, go ahead, release all of the information. The president also saying that if and when today's legislation does pass, he is willing to sign it.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah. And Terence, one of the biggest conversations happening on the Hill right now between both lower and upper chamber is the victims. Now, Terrence, we heard this morning in a press conference at the House Triangle. We heard from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie as well as a few others. And the victims. And the victims voices are carrying all the way through these chambers. Speaker Johnson had a press conference this morning, morning as well where he went into a little bit more depth explaining to people why he was against the Epstein files. And it goes back to the victims. He said that in this current bill he will vote for it, but he said that he wants amendments to happen once it gets to the Senate because he said there's not enough protections in the current bill for the victims. And this also could lead to, you know, sexual type of content being released that maybe the public doesn't want to see. And so, yes, 2, 2 to 215 is when we are expecting this vote to take place and we are expecting a unanimous vote as of now from Democrats and Republicans on both sides.

[Terrence Bates]

And I'm glad you brought up the victims because one of the arguments that's been made from the president on down is that Democrats didn't care about the victims during the last administration. Only now that President Trump is in office is there this focus from Democrats in particular on the victims.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah, exactly. And one of the things that one of the victims, I believe her name was Danielle, she said this morning was this is not political, this is human. And she is calling on Democrats and calling on these lawmakers to stop making this a political show vote. And that's exactly what Mike Johnson said it was about this morning. But this is a clear effort by the Democrats. And now that Trump has said, you know what, release them now, what are the Democrats doing? They're silent. And so, I mean, we've heard multiple times that this is not going to implicate President Trump. The victims have said that and more. Many lawmakers on committees have said the exact same thing. I think the Democrats aren't going to like what is going to come out in this, I mean, what Epstein visited the Bill Clinton White House 17 times. Terrence, this, those are the type of people this is going to implicate. Not the Republicans, not Donald Trump.

[Terrence Bates]

You know, there's so many different angles to this story. One of those angles is going to be if and when. And I say if and when because we still have to get this through the House and the Senate before it even makes to President Trump's desk. But if and when this measure is ultimately enacted, how much information will be redacted? How much information will we actually get? We know there will be scores of documents that would ultimately be released under this, but what will those documents really give us in terms of new information? I think that's got to be one of the big discussion points there in the Capitol.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Exactly. And you know, people like, like Thomas Massie, for example, he is calling for every single document to be released. They do not want anything held back, they don't want anything redacted. And even the victims said, they said we want facts, we want the truth. They said we want to look in the mirror at our 17, 14 year old selves and hug them and tell them that it's okay and that other women don't have to go through this. And so, you know, it, it's, it's going to be, it's going to be a really interesting one to watch and we really don't know necessarily what is going to happen, but I think it's looking good right now. Terrence?

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, it is going to be a busy day there at the U.S. capitol. The reality is though, while this story has all of us in grips and it's kind of the big story of the day long term, we're still looking at January 30th and lawmakers are still working on trying to get those appropriations bills passed and making sure that there's not going to have to be the need for another continuing resolution come January 30th. And I guess that's even more. The pressure is ratcheted up a little bit more since next week is Thanksgiving, which means that lawmakers will be leaving Washington here in just a weeks, few, few days.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah. So we will be, they will be out of session next week, but they will kick right back into session on December 1st. And that is a Monday. That is that Monday following Thanksgiving. So lawmakers will need to be right back on a plane and get back here. There is a lot of business that needs done with this appropriation, with these bills coming to an end. I believe one of the Only budgets that they've passed. Terence is defenseless. And so there, all these other departments that, that consist of the US Government need funding. And if they can't get that down by January 30, we are looking at another serious issue. Like we had the 42 day shutdown but, but Speaker Johnson seems to have things under control and both sides, lower and upper are working together. And so we are praying, and I think all the Americans are as well, that this, this government shutdown will not happen again. And from what lawmakers are saying, they don't expect the government to shut down. I've talked to a few sources inside of congressional offices and they said these committees, these members are meeting in private, they are finding a way forward because both sides saw what this did to the American people and both sides got blowback from their constituents. And so I don't think they're going to allow this to happen again.

[Terrence Bates]

Are the Obamacare subsidies still kind of the main bone of contention as lawmakers work to try to find common ground on funding the government?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah, it all goes back to this health care. And then, you know, we spoke, I believe we spoke a few days ago, Terrence, about you know, the snap benefits as well as the Medicaid payments and the wasteful government spending. Now both sides are interested in this health care conversation. They both have ideas as to what they believe is the way forward for health, health care. Now, the Obama subsidies, it's going to be an interesting one because like we heard a few days ago, Speaker Johnson, he did promise the vote to happen. He promised the Democrat lawmakers that he would allow this vote to come to the floor. But with a Republican run, run House, it's not likely unless Republicans cross the aisle for this to happen. And so that's why you have people like Leader Jeffries and Chuck Schumer so many mad because they know they're not in the majority. And so even though Republicans are letting them do this vote, it probably will not make it through. But I think that also goes back to let's sit down at a table. These lawmakers want to sit down. Let's find a way forward for health care that's not Obamacare that puts the American people first and doesn't put money into insurance companies pockets. The money wants to. President Trump wants this money to go directly to the American people so that they can choose their health care as it always should be.

[Terrence Bates]

Benny Ray, before I let you go, I'd love to kind of get back to the Epstein vote which is coming up here in about an hour, hour and a half or so, just over, I guess. What is the mood there in the US Capitol? Obviously, Republicans have called the, the Epstein files release a distraction. It is a contentious issue or has been. What's the mood there in the halls of the U.S. capitol leading up to this upcoming vote just in the House?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah, well, on the Republican side, it's very much they just want this to get, get over with. They are ready to put this vote to bed. They are ready to put Epstein to bed. A lot of Republicans here. We just, Thomas Massie was just behind us a few minutes ago and he said, you know, he's like, it's time for this to come to an end. We want the facts. We want to know what's happening so that we can continue working for the American people and putting the American citizens first. Democrats, on the other hand, they like to argue, Terrence, we know it. They like the political show vote, show votes, that is their thing. But Republicans are focused on the American people and they're ready for this vote to happen so that they can get government things back into place and get these initiatives that have been pushed down the line for 42 days. They can finally start working for the people again.

[Terrence Bates]

Benny Ray Harmony reporting for us in the halls of Congress as we are preparing for this big vote on the release, this discharge petition, as it's called, which ultimately would force the Department of Justice to release all of the files related to the Jeffrey Epstein case. We, of course, will continue to cover this for you throughout the day. We'll be following all of the very latest here on Real America's Voice. Benny Ray Harmony, we appreciate you being here with with us. Thanks so much. And once again, folks, this discharge petition, that vote expected to happen between 2 and 2:15 Eastern Time. We'll be covering it here on Real America's Voice. And we'll let you know exactly what ultimately comes of it if and when this particular discharge petition passes the US House. And of course, it would head to the US Senate where we're expecting that there may be some additions to that bill. President Trump already promising that if it makes it to his desk, he will sign it into order and then we will expect to get the information on the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, as much of it as possibly would be released as soon as possible. Remember, stay tuned here to Rav for the very latest. In the meantime, it is the one time of year that the Birch Gold Group gives away free gold with every qualifying purchase. That's right for Black Friday, where you can convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in gold. The Birch Gold Group will send you free gold to your home for every $20,000 that's purchased. Gold started this year around $2,600 an ounce and by October it was over $4,000 an ounce. Why, you ask? Well, you can blame global uncertainty. 2025 has been defined by trade wars. Plus central banks are pulling away from the US dollar as the global reserve currency. And then there's of course military tension that continues to build. Gold tends to thrive in times of uncertainty like what we're dealing with today. If you're looking for diversity, you may want to try to diversify your savings into the Birch Gold Group. And they can help. Plus now through November 30th, get free gold with a qualifying purchase. All you have to do is text the word America to the number 989-898 and claim your eligibility and for a free information kit on gold. However, your opportunity for free gold with a purchase ends on November 30th. So don't wait. Instead, text the word America to the number 9898. 98. For full details.

[Charlie Kirk]

Listening to the sound of freedom, it's.

[Donald Trump]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Terrence Bates]

There we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here we go. Hey, Sarah.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Awesome.

[Donald Trump]

All right.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

I do not know what happened to my microphone on my earbuds here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Happens. I've been there. Give us your question. What's your question, Sarah?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

All right. Okay. So I am from Canada and my first question, I have two. What is your guys opinion of the.

[Donald Trump]

Conservative Party of Canada?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so there's two. Let's just define terms here really quick here, right, there's the Conservative Party of Canada, CPC and which would be Pierre's party? I forget I looked it up. How to say it. Pierre Polyver or whatever. Polyev. That's right. He would be the leader of that party. That's going to be your more establishment wing of the Conservative Party in Canada. Right. So then you also have the People's Party of Canada which is the more populous wing. So when we're saying what's are you asking about one or the other or just in general? The Conservative Party.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, yeah.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

I'm specifically asking about like the official cpc.

[Charlie Kirk]

Cpc. All right. So Tyler has actually been working with them. Well, I've talked to a number of individuals and there's some just like we have and just for our Americans that are at home, just like we have some good Republicans. There are good Republicans and there are bad Republicans and the party's broad based, you know, there's some good conservatives, Conservative Party leaders and, and better Conservative Party leaders that we see across Canada that I think are leaning more towards the things that we like you know, I can't speak highly enough of Danielle Smith, although I'm sure Canadians have, you know, different varying opinions. I mean, Danielle Smith I think actually cares enough so much that she has been in contact the premier of Alberta, which to put into kind of con conceptually is kind of like all encompassing senator for, slash governor almost for Canada for their individual areas. And so they. She has been an incredible supporter of what we do at turning Point. And it has been at the forefront of having conversations to represent, I think, the more conservative wing from an elected position. And I know that there are a great number of individuals who have engaged with the Conservative Party in Saskatchewan that have done a great job. And I think those two nation states within Canada, Alberta and Saskatchewan, are the future. And I think that the Conservative Party, my opinion is this, is that if the Conservative Party were smart, they would consolidate their efforts into those two areas and then spend time with the conservative activists to grow from there and really wield power as we talk about power against the establishment to try to actually expand their talking points that I think are more successful. Which again, Canada combated the complete shutdown of their country during COVID It was like the worst parts of the United States, just to put perspective. And I'm sure you have some opinions on that, Sarah. And there's a number of other different things that obviously happen at the governmental level, the policy level that are terrible that most of the resource driven individuals that live in this in the central parts of Canada disagree with, particularly on.

[Terrence Bates]

The, on the oil in the oil.

[Charlie Kirk]

Basin that exists within Alberta. A lot of oil, by the way, in Canada. I would say this like first of all, the establishment wing of conservative parties right now, they're pesky, they have a way of sticking around, they have a lot of institutional backing, but they do deals with the bad guys. They do deals with the bad guys. And here's the other thing I would say to any conservative movement across the western world is if you are not tapping into the populist energy of your party, you're gonna miss the boat. That's where the activist energy is. That's where. Sarah, I'm sure that you probably find yourself more about a strong nation, probably limited immigration. Those are the taproots of energy when it comes to conservative activists. And if you're not going there because you're afraid that it's, you know, the country's not ready for it, I would just say look at France, look at what we've got, the Netherlands, look at the uk what's happening in the UK Right now, the UK is so buttoned up, it makes Canada look like a, like a third world backwater or something. I mean, they're just, that's just the way the UK Is. And yet Nigel Farage. And reform is rising in the, in the polling, rising in the ranks. And Canada needs to follow that, not be afraid. The conservative movement needs to embrace the populace, embrace energy. That's happening because either you're either going to go populous left or populist right. Right now, the whole entire Western world is either going to go one way or the other. If you are shunning that side of your party, icing them out, you're going to miss the activist energy. You really are. We got to take a quick break. We're going to go through the breaks for stream and podcast. Don't go anywhere.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. We want to take you directly to the White House where President Trump is meeting right now with Saudi Arabia's crown Prince. Let's listen in.

[Donald Trump]

Well, thank you very much, everybody. We have an extremely respected man in the Oval Office today and a friend of mine for a long time, a very good friend of mine, and I'm very proud of the job he's done. What he's done is incredible in terms of human rights and everything else. And he's the crown prince, the future king. And I just want to pay my greatest respect to your father, King, who is an amazing man. I met him early on. He greeted me at the airport at an age that was pretty high up there, and it was about 117 degrees. And he was standing on the red carpet as I came out of the plane. And he's amazing. And when I met his brilliant son, he was at the Oval Office. Shortly thereafter, you came in representing the country. And I called the father. I said, this guy is fantastic. And I don't know if that helped you or hurt you, but obviously it couldn't have hurt too much because here you are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

But we had a great meeting and the office has changed quite a bit and we inherited a mess. You actually told me you thought the country was in big trouble. I'm not going to use the exact word that you use. I refuse to say that you thought our country was dead a year and a half, two years ago, but our country was in trouble. And now we have the hottest country in the world. You said that also. And we do. We have. The United States is right now the hottest country in the world. And between the tariffs and the election November 5th, election. We've done things that nobody can believe. $21 trillion will be the amount invested in the United States or committed to invest in one year. So I'm here nine months. We're up to almost $18 trillion. Biden as an example. The Biden administration, if you call it that, it's not. To me, it was the Biden lack of administration. They were less than $1 trillion for four years. We're going to be $21 trillion for one year. I think that's hard to believe. The biggest in history was a certain country. 3 trillion. We're going to be 21 trillion. On top of that, prices are coming down. We inherited a mess with high prices. The worst inflation in the history of our country. We had inflation that was a single. For four years. The worst inflation in the history of the United States. Gas prices through the roof. And that's after destroying our petroleum reserve, which was meant for wars and big emergencies, not to try and win an election. They opened up the reserve so that people get $3 less in gasoline, and it didn't work. They got about 3 cents less. Because as big as those reserves are, they're peanuts when you're talking about that kind of traffic. And we're rebuilding the reserves. We're doing all of this, and we've done a job. We're also bringing down prices very substantially. And we've already brought them down very, very substantially. Gasoline is way down. I think you'll be seeing $2 gasoline. But we're now at $2.50, $2.45. Some are lower than that. It was $4.50, $5, $6, $3.50, $3.75 underbite and all different numbers, but way high. And we have energy way down. But the biggest thing to me, because I know what it means in jobs, is the fact that we're at over $17 trillion, Scott, and we expect to be around 20, $21 trillion in one year. And that's many times bigger than in history. The highest number was $3 trillion, and we're going to be at 21 trillion. That means new plants, new AI, new auto plants. We have auto plants coming in from Canada, from, from Mexico, from Germany, from Japan. Toyota just agreed to invest $10 billion on new auto plants. All American workers. We've never been in a position like this. You can go back to the beginning. Our country has never been in a position like this. And it really is because of the fact that we use tariffs to bring all this money in. And you're going to see the results in a year when these plants start to open up. We have more plants under construction now than at any time in the history of our country. And these are big plants. These are the biggest plants anywhere in the world. And I want to thank you because you've agreed to invest $600 billion into the United States. And because he's my friend, he might make it a trillion, but I'm going to have to work on him. But it's 600. We can count on 600 billion. But that number could go up a little bit higher. Yes, sir, I don't know. We'll see. But we appreciate it very much. So Saudi is going to be investing at least $600 billion. And that means investments in plants, in companies, money on Wall street and what it really means for everybody, that really counts as jobs. A lot of jobs. We have a lot of jobs. So I just want to thank you. We've been really good friends for a long period of time. We've always been on the same side of every issue. I think we've done a great job in wiping out the nuclear capacity of Iran. Nobody else could have done that. No other president would have done it. We had the pilots in the Oval Office right here we were celebrating a very successful attack. So I had them in with that beautiful B2 bomber that's over there. And they said, sir, for, for 22 years we practiced this attack. Our predecessors, these were very young guys, so 22 years they said, our predecessors and us practice the attack on Iran. But no president ever gave us the go ahead. Three times a year they went out and they practiced the attack. Nobody let us do it until you came along. And I let them do it because it was the right thing to do. You can't have a nuclear Iran. And so we put you in a very good position. But I just want to say it's an honor to be your friend and it's an honor that you're here and if you'd like to say a few words. But thank you very much.

[Terrence Bates]

Well, thank you, Mr. President. This relationship in relation for about nine decades and we've been working together for a long time. But today it's very important time in our history because there is also a lot of things that we're working in in the future. We believe in the future of the United States of America. We believe in what you're doing, Mr. President, is really creating a lot of good things and good foundation to create more economical growth, more business in America. And also your work for the world peace, I believe, Mr. President. And today and tomorrow we're going to announce that we are going to increase that 600 billion to almost $1 trillion of investment. Real investment and real opportunity by details in many areas and the agreement that we are signing today in many areas in technology and AI and materials, magnet etc. That will create a lot of investment opportunities.

[Donald Trump]

So you are doing that now. You're saying to me now that the 600 billion will be 1 trillion.

[Terrence Bates]

Definitely. Because what we are signing, it will facilitate that.

[Donald Trump]

I like that. No, that's great. I appreciate that. That's great. No, we're doing numbers that nobody's ever done. And in all fairness, if you didn't see potential in the US you wouldn't be doing that.

[Terrence Bates]

Definitely.

[Donald Trump]

You don't want to lose money.

[Terrence Bates]

As you said, Mr. President, it's the most hottest country in the planet. But what you are creating is not about opportunity today, it's about also long term opportunity in a sense of America that will affect American economy positively in the the next coming decades. Preparing the right foundation of emerging technologies that that's a game changer for America in a good way and want to be part of it.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, we're doing really well. And you know, you don't see what we're doing so much because we have, although the construction industry sees it, if you look at Caterpillar, who's been incredible, the, you know that the tractors, everything else, the numbers that we're doing in construction are, are unbelievable. You know, some of the plants that we're building AI and they're building their own electric with the plan I gave them the right to build their own electric with the plant because no country frankly will have this. China is working very hard to produce enough electric. But we're beating China substantially at AI, which is a big thing. And we had a great meeting two weeks ago with President Xi. But on AI where we're doing well and I have a man, David Rommel.

[Miranda Devine]

Yes, sir.

[Donald Trump]

David, could you say a few words about what you're seeing on the job front and all of the, some of the assets and also how we've been helped by the Saudis in terms of the kind of investment they've made, please?

[Charlie Kirk]

Most certainly. Thank you for the opportunity. I am a facility leader for GE Vernova and if you look at the landscape for GE Vernova investment, over $750 million in the US focused on true manufacturing jobs here Stateside, we're looking at tripling the output of our Greenville South Carolina facility where we make the gas turbines that are supporting US Needs as well as the Saudi Arabia needs. So real jobs, $300 million in gas investment resulting in over 500 pieces of new equipment being installed in the Greenville, South Carolina facility. Facility. That translates into roughly 1800 jobs across the board for GE Vernovo as we try to scale capacity to be able to meet this demand. Along with that, we're partnering with local communities to build the skill set that's required to meet these capacity needs. So that talent pipeline is incredibly important. So it's real jobs in the manufacturing space.

[Donald Trump]

Well, you've been great and thank you very much. And we, we love that state. I won that state by record numbers. I won a lot of states by record. Texas, a lot of them by Indiana. We're working with Indiana or something right now. We won that. We won a lot of them by records, but that was one of them. I want to thank you very much. Say hello to everybody. Great job. You're doing a great job. Thank you. So just in wrapping up, we'll take a couple of questions, but I want to just tell you what an honor it is to be your friend and I very much appreciate the investment of now $1 trillion. Okay. I'm glad you got that out. I didn't want to be the one to tell them, but that's, that's great news.

[Terrence Bates]

You keep increasing, Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

I know.

[Terrence Bates]

You know, each time the opportunities are just increasing more and more.

[Donald Trump]

Well, the opportunities.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Donald Trump]

You know, we're doing better. If, if even if you look back six months ago, I mean, all of a sudden you feel even better. So. And I think we're only going to go in one way. Does anybody have any questions?

[Miranda Devine]

Mr. President.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mr. President.

[Miranda Devine]

Mr. President.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Mr. President, have you approved the export licenses for advanced chips to Saudi Arabia? The export license?

[Donald Trump]

We are working on that. We're negotiating that right now. Marco, do you want to talk about that or Scott?

[Terrence Bates]

Well, I mean, that's part of what.

[Charlie Kirk]

We may have announcements on that later.

[Terrence Bates]

Today, but that's what we've been working on is, is the mechanics by which.

[Charlie Kirk]

Something like that could be achieved. And it's part of the broader process.

[Terrence Bates]

Part of this broader engagement and cooperation between our two countries.

[Donald Trump]

Certain levels of chips for the Crown Prince.

[Miranda Devine]

Your Royal Highness, you're talking about a.

[Donald Trump]

Trillion dollars of investment.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Could the kingdom continue to do that? With oil prices in the mid-60s, we.

[Terrence Bates]

Are not creating a fake opportunities to, you know, please, America, please Trump. It's real opportunities. For example, when you ask about the air and the chips. Saudi Arabia have a huge demand of huge need of computing power. And we're going to spend in the short term around $50 billion by consuming those semiconductors for our needs in Saudi and Saudi Arabia and with the agreement that we're going to have with America that will allow us to focus that consuming power in the short term by $50 billion from the South America and long term, with hundreds of billion dollars in the long term. So there is a lot of real opportunities that fit to our need in Saudi Arabia and fit to our investment strategy.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Mr. President, is it appropriate, Mr. President, for your family to be doing business.

[Charlie Kirk]

In Saudi Arabia while you're President? Is that a conflict of interest?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And your royal highness, the US Intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist. 911 families are furious that you are.

[Miranda Devine]

Here in the Oval Office.

[Terrence Bates]

Why should Americans.

[Donald Trump]

Who are you with?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And the same to you, Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

Who are you with?

[Miranda Devine]

I'm with ABC News, sir.

[Donald Trump]

You're with who?

[Terrence Bates]

ABC News, sir.

[Donald Trump]

Fake News. ABC Fake News. One of the worst. One of the worst in the business. But I'll answer your question. I have nothing to do with the family business I have left. And when I. I've devoted 100% of my energy, what my family does is fine. They do business all over. They've done very little with Saudi Arabia, actually. I'm sure they could do a lot. And anything they've done has been very good. That's what we've done. We've built a tremendous business for a long time. I've been very successful. I decided to leave that success be behind and make America very successful. And I've made America more successful by far than it ever was. And that it ever could have been. No matter who was president, there would be Nobody bringing in $21 trillion. That I can tell you right now. As far as this gentleman is concerned, he's done a phenomenal job. You're mentioning somebody that was extremely conscientious, controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. And we can leave it at that. You don't have to embarrass our guests by asking a question like that.

[Terrence Bates]

You're allowed me to answer. You know, I feel painful about, you know, families of 9011 in America, but, you know, we have to focus on reality. Reality based on CIA documents and based on a lot of documents that Osama bin Laden used Saudi people In that event, for one main purpose is to destroy this relation, to destroy the American Saudi relation. That's the purpose of 9 11. So whoever buying that, that means they are helping Osama Bin Laden's purpose of destroying this relation, he know that strong relation between America and Saudi Arabia, it's bad for extremism, it's bad for terror, terrorism. And we have to prove him wrong and to build our relation, continue developing our relations. It's critical in the safety of the world, it's critical against extremism and terrorism. About the generalists, it's really painful to hear, you know, anyone that been losing his life for, you know, no real purpose or not in a legal way. And it's been painful for, for us in Saudi Arabia. We've did all the right steps of investigation, etc. In Saudi Arabia and we've improved our system to be sure that nothing happened like that. And it's painful and it's a huge mistake and we are doing our best that this doesn't happen again.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mr. President.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mr. President, the Crown Prince has been.

[Miranda Devine]

Instrumental in helping lifting the sanctions on Syria.

[Donald Trump]

Will there be any joint investment between the US and Syria?

[Miranda Devine]

And will you visit Damascus, Syria?

[Donald Trump]

No. But where are you from?

[Terrence Bates]

I'm from Palestine.

[Donald Trump]

Oh, making a lot of progress, huh? They like me, the Palestinians like me. The Palestinians are doing very well, actually. I think we're working very closely with a lot of people that make everybody happy, including Israel, the Palestinians and everybody. That's very interesting. No, I think that I will tell you, the Crown Prince called me and he specifically asked me if I would lift the sanctions on Syria, because he wants to see Syria make it. As you know, the leader of Syria was just here. We had a great meeting and he's a strong guy and I guess you'd need a strong person to run it. And I think Syria has made tremendous progress. We did lift the sanctions at the request of the Crown Prince. Also the President of Turkey, Erdogan, called me specifically. He said, you know, if you don't lift the sanctions, Syria doesn't have a chance. If you do, they have a very good chance. And between the two of them and some others, I lifted the sanctions. And the results so far have been pretty good.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Question about the F35s that are being sold to Saudi Arabia. Are these the same ones that are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Being used by the Israeli military?

[Terrence Bates]

And if so, how does that allow.

[Donald Trump]

For the qualitative military edge for Israel?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And then I want to ask you, because you brought up the plight of the Palestinians. Are you aware of relocation flights to South Africa that are taking place right now?

[Donald Trump]

Which flights? They're relocation flights that are taking place.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Some Palestinians are being charged up to $2,000.

[Donald Trump]

I'm not going to South Africa for the G20 because I think their policies on the extermination of people are unacceptable. So I'm not going. So I won't refer to anything having to do with South Africa. South Africa has behaved extremely badly. But I will say that when you look at the F35 and you're asking me, is it the same? I think it's going to be pretty similar. Yeah.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

How will that affect.

[Donald Trump]

This is a great ally and Israel is a great ally. And I know they'd like you to get planes of reduced caliber. I don't think that makes you too happy. They've been a great ally. Israel has been a great ally. And we're looking at that exactly right now. But as far as I'm concerned, I think they are both at a level where they should get top of the line. Yes, please.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just wanted to ask for the Crown Prince.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

If I could just ask about the direct talks between.

[Donald Trump]

That's all right, Steve. One second. Go ahead.

[Terrence Bates]

Have you reached an agreement on a.

[Donald Trump]

U. S. Saudi defense treaty today? And are you going to bring up the Abraham Accords in your discussion? I already brought them up. What did you say? I think I got a positive response. Would you like to respond?

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah. So.

[Donald Trump]

Yes.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah. So definitely. We believe having. Having a good relation with all Middle Eastern countries, it's a good thing. And we want to be part of the Ibrahima Accord, but we want also to be sure that we secure a clear path of two state solution. And today we have a healthy discussion with Mr. President that we're going to work on that to be sure that we can prepare the right situation as soon as possible to have that.

[Donald Trump]

I think we're. You know, I don't want to use the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk on the Abraham Accords. We talked about one state, two state. You know, we talked about a lot of things in a short period of time. We'll be discussing it further too. But I think you have a very good feeling toward the Abraham accords.

[Terrence Bates]

Yes, definitely, Mr. President. We want peace for the Israelis, we want peace for the Palestinians. We want them to coexist peacefully in the region and we will do our best to. To reach that date.

[Donald Trump]

And the defense agreement, have you reached agreement on that? We pretty much have.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Questions for the Crown Prince. If I could just finish.

[Donald Trump]

We have reached agreement on that. Ok. I wanted to ask you about the.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Direct talks between the United States and Iran.

[Miranda Devine]

Have you been fully briefed on that.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And are you concerned at all about how this might impact Saudi security interests?

[Terrence Bates]

Well, we are close ally. We'll be working closely together on that issue and we will do our best to help to reach a deal between the rest of America and Iran. And we believe it's good for Iran's future to have a good deal that that will set the facets for the region and the world and the rest of America. So we will do our best to see that they happen.

[Donald Trump]

And by the way, Iran does want to make a deal. I can say I think they very badly want to make a deal. I am totally open to it and we're talking to them and we start a process. But it would be a nice thing to have a deal with Iran and we could have done it before the war, but that didn't work out. And something will happen there, I think. But they would very much like. I mean, they may say something else, but they would very much like to have a deal.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Do we have a timeline?

[Charlie Kirk]

You are going to sell 35 F35 jets. You are planning, you said you are planning to sell the F35 jets to Saudi Arabia.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it part of the security agreement and how you assist the defense partnership between Saudi Arabia and the United States?

[Donald Trump]

And the question for you said it though. I mean, I'm going to. We're going to sell them F35s. That's the end of the question, I guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it part of the security agreement or no?

[Donald Trump]

No, we're going to have. No, we're going to have a deal. They're going to purchase F35s. They're buying them from Lockheed and it's a great plane. We make, by the way, the best military equipment. You saw that during the Iran little skirmish. We make the best planes, the best missiles. We make the best defensive missiles. We make the best, the best military equipment in the world.

[Charlie Kirk]

Highness, I'd like to ask you about.

[Terrence Bates]

How you see the cooperation between the.

[Charlie Kirk]

United States and Saudi Arabia and the advanced technological field, especially AI, and how it will support Saudi Arabia to serve its goals, to achieve vision of 2030.

[Terrence Bates]

Well, I will try to answer that in short, but definitely there's a lot of interest in many industries between Saudi Arabia and America. And we are signing a lot of agreement in different areas that would really add value to American economy but also to add value to us in Saudi and Saudi. Saudi Arabia. And it's critical for us because one of long term problems that we could have is lack of workforce. As you've seen in the past few years, some of them have reached 30% of the global immigration to Saudi Arabia. So we know that to assure the Saudi Arabia GDP growing with the lack of workforce that we have, we need to use a lot of computing power to replace job in the long term. So, so that's huge demand in Saudi Arabia and we want to link it to American private sectors and getting the supply from America. So there's a lot of opportunities in that area.

[Donald Trump]

And we're also involved in AI in Saudi Arabia. So we're working and again we're leading by a lot on AI actually a lot. China would be in second place, but we're leading by a lot. And I have to say this, and our relationship with China has been very good. And as far as buying our farm products, they're pretty much on schedule. Scott, I'd like you to call them, say if they could speed it up it would be good. Okay. But they're pretty much on schedule.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mr. President, I'm sorry, please. If I may have a question for.

[Donald Trump]

Both the conference and who are you? Where are you from?

[Charlie Kirk]

Faisal Abbas from Arab News, Saudi Arabia. UX and a cp.

[Donald Trump]

You should be a friendly relation.

[Terrence Bates]

Your Royal Highness, just picking up on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Something you just mentioned about how some people try to destroy the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States. Perhaps you know, since the launch of.

[Donald Trump]

The vision, we've been used to having.

[Charlie Kirk]

The bigger picture and that everything fits into the bigger picture. Might you want to elaborate a little bit about where is the relationship, the.

[Terrence Bates]

Bilateral relationship, the strategic partnership between Saudi.

[Charlie Kirk]

Arabia and the United States heading and what's the big picture there?

[Terrence Bates]

Well, I don't think it's a relation that we can replace it from the Saudi side of the American side. It's a critical relationship for our political attempt, for our economical attempt, for our security, for our military, for, for many things. And it has been there for nine decades and the opportunities that we have today, it's huge and seems that it's going to be get deeper in the next few decades. And what we are having today and tomorrow with President Trump, it's, it's really a huge new chapter on this relation that will add value to both of us.

[Donald Trump]

You know, when you think about it, I'm just sitting here, you're with the future king, a man who's respected by everybody, a man that doesn't have to be doing this. Really, I don't have to be doing it either. And yet we're sitting here taking questions. Any questions? We didn't say, oh, you can't talk about this. And there's never been transparency like this even in his country. But there's never been in our country. That's been acknowledged. But we didn't put restrictions. And I'm saying it's sort of wonderful to be taking questions from all over the world. Everybody is here. This is just a small group representative of tremendous numbers of media that are outside, that are very jealous that these people were so selected, but they're representing a lot of people that are outside. I think it's terrific that we could be sitting here being this open and, you know, I think it's really a wonderful thing. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you don't mind, I have a.

[Terrence Bates]

Personal question for you.

[Donald Trump]

Okay, here we go.

[Charlie Kirk]

So apart from everything you mentioned in your opening remarks, you forgot to mention that you've de. Escalated seven more since you started.

[Donald Trump]

At least in our part of the.

[Charlie Kirk]

World, you know, are seen as a peacemaker. And adding that to all the executive orders and everything else you've mentioned. I really have to wonder you in your speech in Saudi Arabia, I was there, you said that His Royal Highness does not sleep at night thinking how he does things better.

[Terrence Bates]

We wonder in Saudi Arabia, how do.

[Charlie Kirk]

You manage your own time and what's your formula for managing?

[Donald Trump]

He does not sleep much and I don't sleep much. I think we have the same schedule. We're thinking about our countries and if you sleep a lot and, and your president, we just had one that slept more than any president. He broke every record. He sleeps all the time. During the day, during the night, on the beach. The only guy could fall asleep on the beach. Were the press watching? No, he's not a sleeper. I'm not asleep. But we don't. We talk at night. We can talk. I can call him almost anytime because. Hi, how you doing? It's like craziest times. But no, when you love your job, when you love your country and when you're in a position like we are future king, highly respected crown prince and in my case, president, you're thinking about your country. You're thinking about making America great again. We're thinking about keeping Saudi Arabia strong and vital and in a pretty tough part of the world. Tricky part, right? Tricky part. A lot of tricky people, but they. He thinks about his country and I think about my country. I don't want to sleep.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

President Trump, do you expect A formal civil nuclear deal to be reached soon. Can you talk to us about that aspect of today's with Saudi Arabia?

[Donald Trump]

I can see that happening.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Do you think that that will.

[Donald Trump]

An agreement will happen today? It's not urgent. It's. It's always when you have civil nuclear but you have more oil than almost anybody else. We, we actually have more oil and gas than they do. But I refuse to say that and we have more than is it. We have more than anybody.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Can you imagine on the F35s are those sales. Israel have reportedly wanted those sales to be conditioned on Saudi Arabia Arabia moving to normalized Israel will be happy.

[Donald Trump]

Israel is going to be happy. Israel is aware and they're going to be very happy. Yeah, please. Hello.

[Terrence Bates]

Hi.

[Donald Trump]

Hello.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

My name is Aman Hizani from newspaper from Riyadh.

[Terrence Bates]

Of course I have questions for the crown Prince and for you, Mr. President.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.

[Donald Trump]

How much you expected from developing the.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Cooperation with the United States in the field of new energy AI supply chain?

[Terrence Bates]

How much you expected from that?

[Donald Trump]

No limit.

[Terrence Bates]

We just continue pushing forward. There's no limit. So. So we just push forward for all the opportunities that we have.

[Donald Trump]

This is, you have to understand this is really a great ally. Just the fact that they're now doing. I came in here at 6. I did not know that I was pushing for the the 1 trillion but he didn't tell me that now. He told me this is a great ally of ours. You know, when you invest a trillion dollars, that's national security for us too because it creates jobs, it creates a lot of things. And I would say, Scott, right when you hear one country is putting a trillion dollars into the United States that creates national security. And you know, I think that they don't have to say that, but I think a big part of that is also the fact that tariffs are in play. But even beyond tariffs, that's a real ally that will do that creates a lot of power for the United States.

[Terrence Bates]

We are also in Saudi Arabia very happy because this much of Saudi money is a function here and of course it's come back for us for benefits.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

So it's.

[Donald Trump]

Complementary interest.

[Terrence Bates]

So this is I think what different friends and ally do.

[Donald Trump]

Well, look, I love the country of Saudi Arabia. I know the people very well. The level of treatment that we go when we go to Saudi Arabia is something that is incredible. And the people like us and I think they really like America, especially when I'm president. I don't think they liked America so much. Maybe for four Years recently, I think Obama treated Saudi Arabia very, very badly. Very badly, as you know. But. And I think Biden didn't have any idea where the hell he was. I don't think Biden knew the difference.

[Terrence Bates]

How would you describe the future relationship with Saudi Arabia?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

I mean that from the strategic aspect, how would you describe that?

[Donald Trump]

Say the relationship is with. I would say top of the line. It's as good as it can. I don't think it can get much better. We have, look, we have a country that trusts us, and that's why they make that investment. If they didn't trust us, they couldn't make that investment. And we trust them. They've been very reliable. Now we, you know, we are. I rebuilt our military in my first term and we spent trillions of dollars and we gave away some of it in Afghanistan, stupidly, because we had stupid people running our country. But we gave away. But that's as much as it was. It's a tiny fraction of what we, what we put here. And we're again, we're bringing our military to a new level, the highest level ever. We have those, those plants are going out. And again, it's all American jobs and everything. So it's good for a lot of reasons. But as far as Saudi is concerned, no, I don't think our relationship could be better. I don't think they had a great relationship under Biden, and I don't think they had a great relationship under Obama, but they have a great relationship under Trump. When we did the Presidential Walk of Fame, you saw that, right? And we're walking and I asked the crown prince. So outside of Trump. Outside of Trump, because I blow everyone away, who was the best president for Saudi Arabia? And you could maybe. It's an interesting answer.

[Terrence Bates]

Roosevelt, who started it? Democrat. And Reagan. He's one of the historical president that have close ties with Saudi Arabia. We've worked with all presidents.

[Donald Trump]

Does Trump blow them all away?

[Terrence Bates]

It's another league. Mr. President. Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

And Trump doesn't give a fist pump. I grab that hand. I don't give a hell where that hand's been. I grabbed that hand when, remember Biden, he travels for 20 hours, gets out and he gives a fist bump. No. When you get out of the plane and you got the future king and a man who's one of the most respected people in the world, you shake his hand, you don't give him a fist bump. Right. We don't want to ask you about that, but I can't imagine you were thrilled. You Were like a little bit surprised. He's a fantastic guy. You don't do that. Yeah, please.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

We're getting closer to the end of the year. Have you started the interviews for the Fed chair?

[Donald Trump]

Yes. Who have you interviewed? I think I already know my choice. Who is it? Well, I liked him, but he's not going to take the job irrevised. You like treasury better, right? Much better, sir. So we are talking to various people and the. I mean, frankly, I'd love to get the guy currently in there out right now, but people are holding me back. He's done a terrible job hurting housing a little bit. The truth is we've been so successful, we've blown past his interest rate rate. Stupidity. He's been wrong. That's why I call him. Too late. He's too late. Jerome. Too late. Powell, he was recommended to me by a guy that made a bad, you know, bad choice. And it's too bad. But despite that, it's having very little impact because we have, you know, we have all of these things happening, but it has an impact on housing to a certain extent. He's a fool. He's a stupid man. But we have some very good people.

[Terrence Bates]

Yes, sir. You'll be sitting down with them in the near future.

[Donald Trump]

We have some surprising names and we have some standard names that everybody is talking about. And we may go the standard way. You know, it's nice to every once in a while go politically correct. But we have. We have some great names. Steve, please. Have you talked to President Maduro of Venezuela yet? Are you still open to that? He wants to talk. Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm open to talking. I talk to everybody. But no, he wants to. They treated us very badly. They sent all of their prison population into the United States and we're getting them out rapidly. But he sent all of his. And he sends drugs into the United States and other things. No, he treated us badly. He was dealing with a bad president and he was able to get away. We have now, I think we have the strongest borders anywhere in the world. Nobody is coming in unless they come in legally. You know, we've taken very weak borders where millions of people came in for the last six months. I mean, I don't do these reports. They say zero people have been able to come in. Is that pretty good?

[Miranda Devine]

Mr. President. Mr. President, why wait for Congress to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Release the Epstein files?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Why not just do it now?

[Donald Trump]

You know, it's not the question that I might. It's your attitude. I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who's highly respected asking him a horrible insubordinate and just a terrible question. And you could even ask that same exact question nicely. You're all psyched. Somebody psychs you over at abc, they're going to psych it. You're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert. But I guess I turned out to be right. But you know who does have Bill Clinton? Larry Summers, who ran Harvard, was with him every single night, every single weekend. They lived together. They went to his island many times. I never did did Andrew Weissman. I hear all these guys were friends of his. You don't even talk about those people. You just keep going on the Epstein files. And what the Epstein is, is a Democrat hoax to try and get me not to be able to talk about the $21 trillion that I talked about today. It's a hoax. Now I just got a little report and I put it in my pocket of all the money that he's given to Democrats, he gave me none, zero, no money to me, but he gave money to Democrats. And people are wise to your hoax. And ABC is your company, your crappy company is one of the perpetrators. And I'll tell you something, I'll tell you something. I think the license should be taken away from ABC because your news is so fake and it's so wrong. And we have a great commissioner, the chairman, who should look at that. Because I think when you come in and when you're 97% negative to Trump and then Trump wins the election in a landslide, that means obviously your news is not credible and you're not credible as a reporter. So I've answered your question. You should go and look at the Democrats who received money from Epstein, who spent their time in. Larry Summers was, was with him all the time. That creep of the fund guy was with him all the time. What's his name?

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Reid Hoffman.

[Donald Trump]

Reid who? Reid Hoffman. I don't know Reid Hoffman, but I know he spends a lot of money on the radical left. Reid Hoffman, in my opinion, should be under investigation. He's a sleazebag. And those are the people. But they don't get any press, they don't get any news. And you're not after the radical left because you're a radical left network. But I think the way you ask a question with the anger and the meanness is terrible. You ought to go back and learn how to be a reporter. No more questions from you. Who else has a question from. Very quickly, I want to ask you.

[Terrence Bates]

How much money is Saudi Arabia giving for Gaza reconstruction? We are in discussion about that still. There is no amount being. It'll be a name, but we will definitely.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, he's going to. It's very important to him.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And a quick follow up. The International Security Force, given your pledge.

[Terrence Bates]

There would be no US Boots on the ground.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

What is the US Role going to be in that? And how do you ratify the allegations that this could undermine Palestinian sovereignty and.

[Terrence Bates]

Even the path to sovereignty?

[Donald Trump]

Look, I think we're going to get along great with the Palestinians. And we, you know, we know their leadership. We just had a very. You hate to say war, but it was a war. Very, very successful. And you could say, really, it was. On behalf of everybody. We did that on behalf of everybody. And the outcome was extraordinary because we have the best pilots, the best equipment, the best planes, the best everything. And Israel bought the best equipment. They bought it from us. Everything is from us. It all starts here, this office. I was talking to the Crown Prince a little bit while you walk into this office. For somebody from the outside, the Oval Office, it's the most powerful place in the world. You're standing right now in the most powerful place in the world. And no matter how big you are, these are the biggest people, the richest people. They walk into this office. It's special, isn't it? Look at him. He's so happy to be here. But you walk into this office, it's the Oval Office, and we've done a lot of good with this office. I've stopped actually eight wars. I appreciated your question before, but I've actually stopped eight wars. I have another one to go with Putin. I'm a little surprised at Putin. It's taken longer than I thought. But we stopped India and Pakistan. I could go through the list. You know the list better than I do. I'm very proud. And I stopped one that was almost ready to start again. You know, there was one that was ready to start, and they're doing. And they're doing very well. So. And it all took place right here in the Oval Office, whether by telephone or whether by. They came in. Many of these leaders have come in and, you know, they signed their peace deals right here in the Oval Office. So no matter if it's the biggest business people in the world or the greatest leaders in the world, the biggest leaders in the world, like the gentleman on my right, everybody walks into the Oval Office and they say, wow. And now, by the way, the Oval Office is in the kind of condition that it should be in, whether you look at the walk or the marble floors or anything down the road. We're fixing the White House and we're building one of the greatest ballrooms ever to be built. You know, we have an event tonight, and we're going to have about 118 people because we have a very small room. For 150 years, they've wanted a ballroom, and now you're going to get a great ballroom. Ballroom. And I have to say I probably made a lot of enemies because in your honor, we're having a dinner tonight, a beautiful dinner tonight, and we have a very small room, right? It's called the East Room. And it's beautiful, it's lovely. But it's like for a little cocktail before you go into a ballroom, it's a very small room. They've wanted a new ballroom for 150 years. We could have seen, sold the big ballroom out three times in honor of this gentleman. So I made a lot of enemies because I have a lot of people that are invited tonight or are unable to come because of the size constraint. But you know what we'll do before I leave office? We'll have another dinner because we'll have it ready long before I leave office. And it's going to be beautiful. It's, you know, it's a very popular thing what we're doing. And by the way, no government funds. It's all put up private money, all private money. And in the case, I think it's. There's a restriction on foreigners. Otherwise, I could have asked you just for a check. Okay, but there's a restriction. These are all private individuals that put up a lot of money to build the ballroom. Not one penny is being used from the federal government. So it's really a nice thing. But I look forward to it. And I just pointed it out, this would be a perfect night to have that ballroom open soon. Susie, if we had that open, we'd have a lot of people very happy. Right now we have a lot of unhappy people because they all want to be with us tonight to honor this great man. Thank you all very much. Thank you.

[Terrence Bates]

All right. The media is being whisked out of the Oval Office as President Trump has been meeting with the crown prince of Saudi Arabia there in the Oval Office. There is a lot to unpack from what we just heard. Over the last 30 minutes or so. Let's bring in Brian Glenn, chief White House correspondent there outside the White House. Brian, you were able to listen to a lot of what we just heard in that news conference. The first thing that comes to my mind, Brian, is the investment. The Saudi Arabian crown prince saying that he is going to up Saudi Arabia's investment, excuse me, in the United States, to $1 trillion. One of the things that made President Trump smile, you could hear it in his voice and say, oh, a trillion dollars. Okay, we'll take that.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Terrence Bates]

And it was funny. Terrence even got a handshake, a double handshake out of that when he mentioned that amount. But obviously, President Trump very happy to see a lot of foreign investment investments flowing into this country.

[Donald Trump]

This is just another example.

[Terrence Bates]

You know, what started off as being, I think around 600 billion has up to over $1 trillion. And that is a significant amount of money that's going to AI, technology and other infrastructure building within this country. And I think that does show the commitment that Saudi Arabia has for the United States. And I think it shows terrorists of friendship between the two countries. I mean, normally behind me is we saw a foreign state visiting to be color guard and things like that. They went above and beyond the welcoming here, doing it on the south lawn with F35 jet flying over. We had a horse in front of the motorcade. You have just a big pageantry here for this crown prince. And obviously the crown prince stepping up in the Oval Office announcing a little bit more money flowing into the United States. All right, you talked about the F35 flyover. That's another investment that Saudi Arabia is making. President Trump saying that Saudi Arabia will be buying F35 fighter jets, which of course are American made.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, American made.

[Terrence Bates]

And also it has a big impact in that area of the world as far as now the Saudi government having one of the best fighter jets that you can actually buy and operate. So that does give them a little bit of a flex power in that area of the world. But, yeah, great investments coming in to this country from Saudi Arabia. And of course, President Trump's having some fun as well with some supporters, with some reporters, I should say, in that room in regards to some other topics. But you never know what you're going to get in the Oval Office with President Trump on some of these very long, extended Oval Office press conferences. Yeah, it may have been fun for most reporters, not for ABC News, but that's a whole other issue. We'll just leave that there. Brian. Another story That I suspect will probably be a bit underreported, but it is a storyline is the Gaza peace deal. Obviously, Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations are going to be critical in moving that forward. And it's also something that President Trump addressed with the Saudi crown prince. Also, Iran, both seem to be united in their resolve to bring peace to Gaza, but also to, if you will, find a peaceful solution to Iran's intent on nuclear capabilities.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Terrence Bates]

And it also goes into kind of a broader picture of the Abraham Accords. And this is a part of, kind of building that strategic alliance to make that even stronger. And of course, as far as the rebuilding Gaza, President Trump on the board of peace, the board of directors, if you will, to kind of spearhead that. And it's a collective effort to kind of rebuild that area and strengthen the security of the people living in that area. And President Trump really standing firm on that. Very proud of the vote that just took place yesterday. I think we said earlier that maybe two countries abstained from voting. That would be Russia and China. But other than that, overwhelming support to secure that area. So once again, another victory, I think, for President Trump and his mission for peace around the world. Yeah. And on the domestic front, of course, here, and let me look at my clock. In just over an hour or so, we're expecting that vote on Capitol Hill as it relates to the release of the Epstein files.

[Donald Trump]

We're going to.

[Terrence Bates]

We knew that President Trump would be asked about that and he, of course, responded, as he has said in the past, release the files. Let's get back to the real business of the country. It seems to me that that is kind of the position, if you will, the posture of the White House at this moment. I think you're accurate on that. I think President Trump, obviously saying, okay, let's go ahead and take a vote on that, urged fellow Republicans to come out and vote for the release of these files. And I do think he sees this as a major distraction. Obviously, President Trump has had amazing victories, not only on the peace side, but on the economic side as well. And he views this as Democrats are trying to use his Epstein file situation.

[Miranda Devine]

To overshadow all of the good economic.

[Terrence Bates]

Impact that President Trump has had on this country. So obviously that vote takes place here shortly. I do anticipate full participation, I should say, in on the Republican and Democrats side. So I don't, I don't see any problem that passing. It'll go on to the Senate as well. But that takes place shortly here in just a little bit. And we'll have a full report on that. I'm sure Benny Harmony is there at the Capitol. We'll have it right here in real America's Voice. Absolutely. Brian Glenn reporting for us from the White House. Appreciate it, Brian. It's been a busy day. Unfortunately, day is not going to end too soon for you as there's another dinner late tonight. They're involving the crown Prince. So you're going to be there for a little while. Thanks for so much for you being here, Brian. Appreciate it. And thanks to you all for being here. To all our viewers. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Donald Trump]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Donald Trump]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk show. I'm Andrew Colvett with Blake Neff, joined by Helen Andrews, author of a fascinating new article in Compact magazine called the Great Feminization. Helen, you say that men are more designed for war, right? Which There, there's, there's a. And women tend to be more, more sort of their, their group dynamics about protecting the young offspring, which makes perfect sense, but that tends to make men appeasers. They're willing to get over conflicts because they need to ultimately find peace. That's the whole point of wars. You wage war and conflict and then you reach peace at the other end. How are we seeing this play out now in the era of woke? And it affects every institution. I like to reference Blake's example that we can no longer build boats, we can't do basic, you know, striving excellent things as a country and as a culture anymore. And I can't help but think back to this task oriented nature of men versus women. The floor is yours, Helen.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

I was fascinated to learn that these same dynamics appear in primatology. That is, people who look at chimpanzees all day observe that when two male chimpanzees have a conflict, they'll have a fight about it and re establish which one of them is the alpha and then they will move on. When two female chimpanzees have a conflict, they will leave and never speak to each other again, basically. So men are much better at resolving conflict and then moving on, whereas women tend to hold on to things and sort of not move on after conflict. And that's what we saw a lot during wokeness. People were targeted for behavior or for making statements that were on PC. And until, you know, pre wokeness, the way you would deal with a situation like that is you would have a debate. James Damore would be at Google and he would say, I think female underrepresentation in science is due to biological attributes and not bias. The way to deal with that is to have a conversation about whether he's correct or not. The way Wokeness deals with that is by saying, I can't believe you just said that. I'm going to get you fired from your job. Wokeness was an inability to have any kind of open debate because the very existence of that debate seemed too much like conflict and conflict had to be suppressed. And this was just so massively toxic for so many institutions since 2020. And the reason why I think it's important to consider whether wokeness is a product of demographic feminization is because if it is, that means wokeness is not over. A lot of people look around, they think Donald Trump won the election, Wokeness is finished, we can all move on. The vibe shift is here. But I think that if wokeness is just female patterns of behavior in institutions where women were not as well represented until recently, then that means it's here to stay and we need to deal with it head on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I guess that's the natural follow up is if it's a natural byproduct of institutions being 50% or more female is what are one, I guess, what are the civilizational implications of that for the United States, for Europe, for I guess Earth? And do you believe there's, I guess, a way to, to mitigate that downside or is that just going to be the nature of things going forward? Because I guess to me it's hard to imagine you're going to turf 60 million women out of the workplace.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

And that's why sort of the next obvious question after we establish that wokeness is a product of feminization is, is feminization a naturally occurring phenomenon? This is the position that a lot of liberals take. They say, well, you know, the field of law is becoming more and more feminized. Well, maybe women are just better. Maybe women are out competing men within the field of law. Maybe women are just better employees. And that's why our newsrooms and businesses are getting more and more feminized. And if I thought that was true, then I would say there's no solution to feminization because I believe in fairness and meritocracy. And if women really are just out competing men because they're better at stuff, then there's not a lot I can say in response to that. However, I think a lot of us would accept that in many cases fields become more and more feminized not because women are out competing men within that field, but because women are feminizing that field and making it more and more friendly to feminine preferences and patterns of behavior. Like if you're working at a business that is so H R ified that it's like, you know, the HR lady designed every aspect of your day to day office experience. She determined who advanced at that company, who got the best promotions and the best assignments and everything was touchy feely in a hr, HRFI type of way. Obviously a masculine man is not going to do well in that environment and he's not going to advance. But that's not because he's not competitive, it's not because he's not good at his job. It's just because that kind of highly feminized organization is not friendly to his virtues and attributes. So I think when we consider how do we deal with feminization, if it's something we want to roll back how should we go about it? That's the first place to look. Are there any institutions or organizations that are too feminized in this unnatural way?

[Charlie Kirk]

Helen Andrews, great piece in Compact magazine, the Great Feminization. Thank you, Helen. We have Miranda Devine next. Go anywhere.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. All eyes are on the US Capitol at the moment as the US House is getting ready to vote on that discharge position, which would basically force the Department of Justice to release all information related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Real America's Voice congressional correspondent Benny Ray Harmony joining us from the Capitol with the very latest. Benny ray, it's my understanding there is debate happening as we speak.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

Yeah. Terrence, we have some breaking news. Actually just about five to ten minutes ago, Chuck Schumer has said that he will immediately get this bill on the Senate floor and he will work with Thune to ensure that happens when or if this passes the House here in about 30 minutes. It's currently 130 here on the east coast and we are seeing members debating on the House floor. These debates will last about 40 minutes and then voting will kick off right after that. Now, we have heard some very powerful testimonies. One from Nancy Mace, actually a congresswoman out of Indiana, and she shared her own journey and tested testimony of sexual assault. And so we are hearing from lots of different lawmakers, Democrats and Republicans are together on this and they are showing that unity. As we're watching this right now, multiple Democrats, multiple Republicans talking across the aisle and calling for the exact same thing. So 2pm will be here very soon and these votes will be watching it very closely. Terrence?

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, Nancy Mace representing South Carolina. She, of course, has been very vocal about all of this, including Marjorie Taylor Greene, another congresswoman, this one out of Georgia, also being very vocal. Very quickly, in about 20 seconds or so, what's the mood around the Capitol? I would imagine it's a little different today.

[Benny Ray Harmony]

It is. It's very different. Everyone is it feels very antsy. We are all waiting for answers. We're waiting for people to tell us what is going on and really awaiting this vote. It's going to it's going to make some big change. And tomorrow is we're not sure what's going to happen, so we're all very antsy here right now.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely. We'll be monitoring it for you here on Real America's Voice, though, throughout the day. Again, that vote is set to happen within the next 30 to 45 minutes. Stay tuned. To RAV for the very latest. For now, let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming in the Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Kirk show.

[Donald Trump]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Miranda Devine]

Thanks so much, Andrew, Great to talk to you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, great to talk to you as well. You had a bombshell article yesterday about the would be assassin of President Trump and you threaded in there a little piece about some of his fetishes. Maybe he was entertaining a furry fetish, referred to himself with they them pronouns Tell us more.

[Miranda Devine]

Miranda Devine, it's look, it's slim pickings. My source went through 17 different online platforms that he found that this would be assassin of the President Thomas Crooks had logged into or had accounts with. And one of them was this site called DeviantArt, which I had not heard of before, but apparently it's the biggest online hub for furry activity, the furry community, which of course is this kind of sexual fetish where people dress up as animals or they like cartoon figures of sort of humanized animals that have sex or a nude. I some of it, I think some of it's not sexual, but most of it, it seems to be anyway, it's, it's weird and so so this Guy Thomas Crooks had two accounts on, on this platform and he also on this platform used they them program pron. The only thing my source could find, you know, activity of Thomas Crooks that still existed on that platform or on the archive was an image of a sort of, sort of bizarre cartoon image of a very muscle bound sort of man's body, like a Sylvester Stallone or Arnold Schwarzenegger type body with the head of a woman on top, you know, long hair and a female face and with this puny little guy next to her in his underpants. And he looked kind of like Thomas Crook, sort of in a sort of a inferior position, if you get my drift. So, so there's that. And then the other stuff he had on this DeviantArt platform was violent. It was cartoon characters shooting each other in the head, you know, killing each other. So I mean, that's all very strange. All of his utterances that are on YouTube and so on increasingly very weird that he flips from being very pro Trump and anti Democrat, particularly anti, you know, the squad, Ilhan Omar and so so on. And then he flips in the matter of a couple of months in January 2020 to the opposite, does a 180 and now he's very anti Trump, critical of Trump supporters and starts escalating into this assassination rhetoric.

[Charlie Kirk]

Miranda Blake here. And I guess the thing that came to mind with the article yesterday, so you mentioned the weird furry art or just kind of strange art in general, but the article doesn't have any photos of that, I guess. Is there a reason that choice was made or is it no longer available and we only know by implication?

[Miranda Devine]

No, I actually tweeted out one of the images and then my colleague Josh Christensen did a follow up today with the, all of the images from, from the, from my, my sources research. So all those violent cartoon figures, I think there's about three images of that. And then the muscle bound, I can't remember, Josh called it something, something like Muscle Mummy or something. And we published that today. So that's in the New York Post today.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Miranda, there was a congressional report released in December 2024 that did not include a lot of this social media activity. Do we know why that this was not mentioned in that congressional report in December of 2024?

[Miranda Devine]

You know, that's a really good point because this was something that really disturbed my source and set him to continue to investigate and also try to get this into the hands of people who would do something about it. He's very concerned that the public doesn't know why the assassination attempt happened and that it could escalate. And, you know, if. I mean, we're told by the FBI currently that Crooks acted alone. This is what Kash Patel has said just in a tweet online where he ran through all the inputs that the FBI put into the investigation, which I think is frankly, quite meaningless. You know, we followed up 14,000 tips, or we, you know, did 10,000 interviews, whatever they did. He had all the metrics, but, you know, that's the inputs, what's the outputs, what did. What came of all that effort. And all he does at the end is this conclusion that we've concluded that he acted alone. So my source just thinks there's something more to this. And so therefore, he pursued it. And the fact that that congressional report had nothing about the online activity would be because the FBI didn't share that with them. The only sort of time that, I guess, the FBI under Christopher Wray, just in the two weeks after the Butler events, Christopher Wray a week later testified to Congress. He said, there's no. We've searched our database, and there's nothing about Thomas Crooks before Butler.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Miranda Devine]

Very carefully, that he said that. Now, I asked the FBI when I was doing this story last week, a number of questions. And the most important one, I think, was, did you have any contact with Thomas Crooks? Did the FBI have any contact with Thomas Crooks before Butler? Did anyone, you know, report him to the FBI? Did you pay him a visit? Did you knock on his door? Did you. Were you aware of his online activity? Does he appear anywhere? And all I got back was no comment from the FBI, and, you know, they've not been forthcoming with Congress. Senator Ron Johnson has been really angry about this, angry about the fact that even the Trump FBI, 12 months after Butler in July of this year, has not complied with his oversight requests. He wants camera footage, he wants documents, he wants forensics, autopsy, et cetera. And he's just. He says he's been stonewalled by the FBI and the Secret Service, and I don't understand why that is. If it's as clear and simple as Kash Patel is telling us that, you know, just this lone gunman acting alone, et cetera, why be secretive about his online activity? Why did Deputy Director Paul Abate, who was raised deputy director at the FBI, why did he testify to Congress two weeks after Butler and say only half the story he described Thomas Crook's online activity leading up to when he flipped and became anti Trump, when he was anti Semitic. And sort of expressing sort of far right views. But Paul Abate didn't tell Congress, and I think this is lying by omission that In January of 2020, this kid flipped and became rabidly anti Trump and started then with his violent assassination rhetoric. Why did Paul Abate leave that out? That was deliberate misleading of Congress. And the question is why? And why does Kash Patel not be more forthcoming? And look, the President is not satisfied. His family is not satisfied. So I don't. Something doesn't add up here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, there's a lot that doesn't add up. I mean, you've got the fact that Christopher Wray told Congress on July 24, 2024, 11 days after the shooting, that the bureau did not have any prior information about the shooter. And now they're saying no comment. So, you know, why wouldn't they either just confirm what Christopher Wray said or add additional context? Right. Because. And the other thing that doesn't add up, the sort of big E on the eye chart, as it were, Miranda, is that there's apparently zero social media footprint from this kid from 2020 to 2024. He just disappeared like we're supposed to. We're supposed to just conclude that a young man who was. Had 19 profiles apparently that you guys investigated and have data on that. They all just went away.

[Miranda Devine]

Yeah, it's very strange. From August of 2020, just after his most violent post or comment, when he's talking about assassinating political leaders and military leaders, he. He goes dark. He just disappears. The other thing that happened around that time, after which he disappeared, was he started to have communications with a figure called Willie Tepes, which I don't believe is his real name, but it's what he used when he interacted with Thomas Crooks. And Willie Tepes is a neo Nazi involved with a Norwegian neo Nazi group that has since been designated a terrorist organization by the State Department. They did that designation In June of 2024, a month before Butler. I'm not sure if, I mean, that's probably just a coincidence, but Willie Tepes sort of seemed to encourage this violent rhetoric from Thomas Crooks. He would say things like, you know, Maoist phrases like, you can only achieve anything through the muzzle of a gun. A phrase that Crooks love to. To repeat. And so shortly after that, Crooks goes dark. And I've been told by, you know, people in the intelligence agencies that, that there's no way that this Norwegian neo Nazi terrorist would not have been on the radar of the CIA. And if that were the case, the CIA would inform the FBI of any interactions that he had with an American citizen. And you know, you can say, oh, all this stuff happened online. How would the FBI know? Well, again, I've talked to FBI people, including a very high ranking former FBI agent whose name appears as the alias that, that Thomas Crooks used on his PayPal account. Rod Swanson, he's a very senior former FBI guy, was in Vegas, was running criminal investigations for the state of Nevada after he left the FBI and during the time of the Las Vegas mass shooting. Shooting that again is someone who's, you know, disappeared offline, has no friends. Another mystery, no motive found. Similar to Thomas Crooks, although He's in his 60s.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Miranda Devine]

Sorry.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we're, we're just. Welcome back, our Real America's Voice audience here. Sorry, it's a complicated clock and with our power outage this morning, our, our technical abilities are a little limited, but. Yeah. So Rod, Rod Swanson is this guy that was involved at a very high level, it sounds like, investigating the Las Vegas massacre shooting, which would strike me as something that a young, online young man would be hyper aware of and kind of fascinated because I mean the, the conspiracy theories ran wild with that one because we never really did find out what the motive was. We never got a real clear narrative. Blake seems to have been a shooting caused by pure boomer ennui or something like this guy. And you could see his family members and you're like, okay, this guy might be weird enough to do a mass shooting. We never got, we never did. He just, he didn't leave a manifesto. And sometimes that's how it is. So to see this kid referencing another sort of very high profile event, I think, you know, Poso told us it's like a guy having the name Bromer Simpson, right? Yeah, I mean, that's possible. Miranda we're going to welcome back Radio. I know you've only got a couple more minutes here, so I just, we'll wrap up our interview when we welcome back national radio. So just hang right there. We'll be back in five seconds. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Just finishing up here with Miranda Devine from New York Post. And also the new book, the Big Guy. Check it out. We would flash the artwork to your new book, but we're just happy to be here. Our power went out this morning, Miranda, and like our team's been busily trying to get the tricaster back running. So, so apologies, but the Big Guy, the follow up to the Laptop From Hell, which obviously was a blockbuster, Miranda. So, you know, there's so many unanswered questions. I guess if you're, if you're, if you're gonna sum this up for us, Miranda, we've got these weird online presence that just goes dark. He's referencing FBI investigators from Las Vegas massacre. What questions remain and where do we go from here?

[Miranda Devine]

I just clear up one thing about Rod Swanson. He was not investigating Las Vegas. He was at that point running criminal investigations for the state of Nevada. So he was peripherally involved talking to victims and so on, but wasn't investigating it. He seems like a decent guy. He said to me, it's inconceivable that the FBI didn't knock on the door of this kid. So I think that's the big question is did the FBI knock on the door, which everybody involved in law enforcement says would have had to have happened? Did they have some involvement with him because of this violent online rhetoric? How involved were they? And if they were involved, why aren't they telling us about it? Why is the Trump FBI just not commenting and going dark as well? Why aren't they giving us chapter and verse one on what motivated this guy? Why is there so much secrecy in terms of the oversight of, by, by the Senate? Clay Higgins found a whole lot of other interesting and disturbing information, like, for instance, that they cremated the body soon after that. I mean, somebody, another source has told me that the, the toxicology isn't, isn't comprehensive as it should be. There's a lot of weird things, hosing the roof down, etc. I don't know why Kash Patel doesn't tell the American people exactly what's going on instead of just saying no comment.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, there's a lot there. And I remember the cremation of the body too, which is very suspicious. None of the, I'll be honest, and I try to listen. Having been the subject of some conspiracy theories more recently, I view them all with suspicion now because, you know, I will just tell you there's like a thousand mistakes that get made in every assumption that leads to conspiracy theories. So I try to be very cautious, conservative when approaching these things, but there's, it's just, it does seem true that some of this stuff just seems just like there's massive gaping holes in this story. And you would think the FBI would be, especially with the turnover of administrations, they would be motivated to clear some of this up. I'm excited to see your, your future reporting, Miranda, because I know that you're going to remain on this now that you've caused quite a stir with this first, this first offering here.

[Miranda Devine]

Thanks so much, Andrew. And that's just the most important message I think of all of this is what you just said is none of us want to engage in conspiracy theories. It drives people mad. You've experienced that yourself. So many rabbit holes that people plunge down when there's a vacuum of information, when there's a huge important story where the President has almost been assassinated and we have a vacuum of information, conspiracy theories rush in. So it's really incumbent on those people in charge to just be straightforward and open and honest to the furthest extent that they're able to while maintaining, you know, operational security or national security or whatever it is they're worried about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well said. Miranda Devine, New York Post author of the Big Guy thank you so much for your time, Miranda. I know you got a dash.

[Miranda Devine]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. God bless you, Blake. Are you satisfied with the the Butler story? You are a very contrarian, non conspiratorial. I feel like the best argument I've heard is that Trump seems pretty satisfied with the not satisfied. Nor is the family. Well, he's, he's never like said like that he's super disappointed with it or anything. You know, when, when they ask him about it, he mostly does just say like, ah, you know, they've told me this. Blah, blah, blah. Like, I don't know, like, there's always. With big events, there's always a desire to have, you know, bigger mode, like bigger forces behind it. And I think that leads people down a lot of rabbit holes. And the Vegas shooting is the most egregious example. We had people running around with wild. It was a joint ISIS antifa operation. That was one I heard. It's a weird. It's a weird one. It was weird. Shooters are crazy. That was. It could be some crazy guy. People who do mass shootings are nuts. They often have idiosyncratic motives that don't make a lot of sense. Because if you're a person who's sane, you don't try to murder a bunch of people. And so when you dive deep into it, you often get baffling stuff. And, you know, I suspect there might be a thing they're hiding where they had contact with him where they should have known he was going to do it. But one of the things is just there's a lot of crazy people in America, and not all of them are going to be arrested.

[Terrence Bates]

Stood.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sounds true. We'll see you tomorrow, guys.

[Miranda Devine]

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