The Charlie Kirk Show, November 21, 2024, Hour 1

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – November 21, 2024, Hour 1

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / iHeartPodcasts
Host: Charlie Kirk
Air Date: November 22, 2024

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Overview

This episode centers around major developments in the conservative movement following President-elect Donald Trump's win, with a particular focus on the selection of Pam Bondi as Attorney General, the DOJ and FBI's future, and the ongoing culture and race debates within U.S. politics. The hour features a high-profile interview with former Congressman Matt Gaetz, in-depth analysis with America First Policy Institute CEO Brooke Rollins, and strong reactions to Democratic Party rhetoric. The tone is energetic and triumphant, emphasizing movement unity and a mandate for dramatic governmental change.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. The DOJ Transition: Matt Gaetz on Not Becoming Attorney General

• Charlie Kirk introduces Matt Gaetz, describing him as a "great American patriot" and discussing Gaetz's near-miss for the AG role (07:19).

• Matt Gaetz reacts to the change:

  "My good friend Pam Bondi is going to be a phenomenal Attorney General for Donald Trump. She has the legal acumen, she hates criminals. She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian." (08:33)

• Gaetz reflects on:

  • The political process and "doing two jobs at once"—defending his record and planning for DOJ transition.
  • "Pam Bondi’s confirmation won’t have some of the sharp edges that mine would have...AG Bondi will be able to start implementing those Trump policies right away." (10:42)
  • Impact of past DOJ resistance and the need for day-one readiness.

Addressing Ethics Allegations & Media Narratives

• Kirk tees up speculation about why Gaetz wasn't picked, probing House Ethics and Senate opposition (11:09).
• Gaetz insists allegations against him are "false...I would be under indictment and probably in a prison cell. But of course they're false..." (11:40).
• He claims McCarthy loyalists on the Ethics panel had "an ax to grind," slowing down his potential confirmation.

Gaetz’s Next Moves

• Gaetz confirms he will not seek his House seat again and intends to work outside Congress:

  "I'm still going to be in the fight, but it's going to be from a new perch...I'm 42 now. And I've got some other goals in life that I'm eager to pursue..." (14:22)

• He plans to work supporting the Trump administration and helping to recruit administration talent.

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2. The Future of the FBI & DOJ Personnel

• Charlie Kirk brings up rumors about Mike Rogers possibly leading the FBI (20:58).

• Gaetz is skeptical, especially after Andrew McCabe's CNN endorsement for Rogers, saying that’ll sour Trump's view:

  "If Andy McCabe endorsed Mike Rogers and that information gets to President Trump...I don't think it will do very well for Mike Rogers." (21:43)

• Gaetz criticizes Rogers's stance on surveillance, warning the next administration must be serious about reform.

Key DOJ Reform Priorities from Gaetz

• Emphasis on "self-deporting" of problematic DOJ officials (24:00).
• Recruitment of bright, outside-the-Beltway lawyers.
• Firing employees who abused FISA applications.
• Decentralizing power—moving entrenched DC bureaucrats into the field.

Advice for Future Trump Officials

• Matt Gaetz advises, "Spend as much time with senators as possible...when you lay out your plans...senators will move, so don't give up on them..." (26:07).

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3. Pam Bondi as Attorney General – Analysis with Brooke Rollins

Discussion Timeframe: 31:56–42:59

• Kirk welcomes Brooke Rollins, who praises Bondi's relentless legal and organizational skills:

  "She is a warrior...Pam Bondi, from the moment we even discussed putting together a massive new effort...was there. She is the epitome of the America First movement and she's going to crush it..." (32:23)

• The left’s fear of Bondi is seen as a strong endorsement:

  "They're right. She is competent. She knows what she's doing. She was one of the most, if not the most successful state attorney general." (34:36)

• Rollins lists DOJ priorities:

  • De-weaponization of government ("taking the government out and getting the weaponization out of our government" – 35:51)
  • Cracking down on child sex trafficking
  • Illegal immigration enforcement
  • Election integrity

• Pam Bondi’s Florida record on illegal immigration is highlighted as a template.

Trump’s "Team of Rivals" and Cabinet Picks

• Rollins compares this transition moment to major American inflection points, praising Trump's "team of rivals":
  • Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswamy, Tulsi Gabbard, Bobby Kennedy, John Ratcliffe, Linda McMahon, etc. (37:31)
  • Notes the historic opportunity for policy realignment and unity.

Day-One Readiness & Policy Implementation

• AFPI has been quietly drafting hundreds of executive orders, personnel plans, and policy blueprints since 2020:

  "We had almost 950 former Trump administration officials quietly writing the agency plans, preparing the 300 executive orders..." (39:54)

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4. Themes of Party Divide, Race Politics & Democratic Party Direction

• Kirk turns to Rep. Jasmine Crockett’s (D) remarks on race and oppression, as emblematic of Democratic Party radicalization (49:55):

  “There has been no oppression for the white man in this country. You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes...that is oppression...We were stolen...don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color...that y'all are the ones being oppressed...” – Ms. Crockett (49:55)

• Kirk's reaction:

  "If you think the Democrat Party is going to come together and kind of become a more moderate version of their former selves and embrace free speech and openness and dialogue, you are mistaken...race Marxism is...the Democrat Party..." (50:55)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Matt Gaetz on Bondi as AG:
  “She has the legal acumen, she hates criminals. She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian.” (08:33)

• Gaetz on false allegations:
  “I would be under indictment and probably in a prison cell. But of course they're false...” (11:40)

• Gaetz on his future:
  “I'm still going to be in the fight, but it's going to be from a new perch.” (14:22)

• Kirk on Democrat Party direction:
  "If you think the Democratic Party is going to moderate...you are mistaken. In the DNA...of the Democratic Party is race Marxism." (50:55)

• Rollins on Bondi's pick:
  "For the first time in the history of all time, I actually agree with someone on MSNBC. Like, this is a banner day for a lot of different reasons. But listen, they're right...she is competent..." (34:36)

• Gaetz on DOJ reform:
  "There's going to be a lot of self deporting at the Department of Justice...We're not going to be doing things the same way we used to do them." (24:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 07:19 – Charlie Kirk introduces Matt Gaetz
• 08:21 – Gaetz discusses transition, Bondi as AG
• 11:09 – Addressing Ethics allegations and Senate opposition
• 13:55 – Gaetz outlines his next moves
• 20:58 – Mike Rogers, FBI, and surveillance state debate
• 21:43 – Gaetz critiques Mike Rogers, McCabe endorsement
• 24:00 – Gaetz outlines DOJ personnel reforms
• 26:07 – Gaetz’s advice for future officials
• 31:56 – Brooke Rollins joins to discuss Bondi and cabinet
• 32:23 – Rollins details Bondi’s qualifications
• 35:51 – Rollins: de-weaponizing government top priority
• 37:31 – Rollins analyzes Trump’s new “team of rivals”
• 39:54 – Day-one policy plans for new administration
• 49:55 – Rep. Jasmine Crockett’s comments on oppression and race
• 50:55 – Kirk analyzes Democrat Party strategy and radicalization

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Tone & Style

The episode is assertive and buoyant, reflecting a sense of conservative momentum and triumphalism post-election. There’s a consistent theme of "America First" populism, zero tolerance for political and bureaucratic opposition, and impatience with media and Democratic Party identity politics. Both hosts and guests lean into frankness, somewhat combative humor, and an insider perspective (“You got a front row seat to this!”).

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Conclusion

This hour delivers post-election conservative strategy, sharp reaction to recent nominations, and culture-war commentary, placing the future of DOJ and FBI at the center. It reinforces the show’s commitment to "realignment" and deep-rooted institutional change, with Bondi’s AG appointment framed as crucial to new Trump administration goals. The debate over the direction of the Democratic Party, especially on race, is cast as a stark dividing line for American politics going forward.

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now. These criminals made one very big mistake. They wound up in Polk County. And I'll tell you, it's bad enough in one thing to profit from poisoning others, but it's another when you bring.

[Ms. Crockett]

Drugs from Mexico into our country, California.

[Charlie Kirk]

Texas, Georgia, and end up in our.

[Ms. Crockett]

State and do it with impunity. Because when you're in this country illegally.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you're doing things illegally, I want to tell you, and you wind up in Polk County, Grady Judd is going to find you.

[Ms. Crockett]

The DEA is going to help them.

[Charlie Kirk]

And my statewide prosecutors are going to lock you up for as long as we can. Keitan, I think Mike Rogers is a totally reasonable, logical selection for FBI director if in fact that's the decision President Elect Trump makes. I think that the strongest qualification in my own on my own opinion about Mr. Rogers is the respect and awareness and knowledge that he has for the intelligence community, for the work they do, for the seriousness of that work, for how those secrets and that sensitive information needs to be protected. So in all those counts, I think Mike Rogers fills the bill pretty well.

[Ms. Crockett]

What Nancy Nais and what Speaker Johnson are doing are endangering all women and girls. Because if you ask them what is your plan on how to enforce this, they won't come up with an answer. And what it inevitably results in are women and girls who are primed for assault because they want. Because people are going to want to check their private parts in suspecting who is trans and who is CIS and who's doing what. And so the Idea that Nancy Mace wants little girls and women to drop drow in front of who? An investigator. Who would that be in order? Because she wants to suspect and point fingers at who she thinks is trans. Disgusting. It is disgusting. It's because you can then misuse words like oppression. There has been no oppression for the white man in this country. You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes. You tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across an ocean and told that you are going to go and work. We are going to steal your wives. We are going to rape your wives. That didn't happen. That is oppression. We didn't ask to be here. We not the same migrants that y' all constantly come up against. We didn't run away from home. We were stolen. So, yeah, we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like. And. And. And don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color on this side of the aisle that. That y' all are the ones being oppressed, that y' all are the ones that are being harmed.

[Unnamed Political Commentator (possibly Brooke Rollins)]

Pam Bondi is exactly what I was saying in the last segment that we should all fear because she's competent. We may not agree with her ideologically, but she actually knows how to do this job. So if anyone on the Democratic side or anyone who cared about liberty or justice was thinking, well, maybe Matt Gaetz will screw this up and that'll give us some time. No, Pam Body knows what she's doing. She knows what she's doing about immigration. Remember, Florida is one of those states that's been very aggressive about migrants and deportation and moving people to different states and everything else like that. Florida has enacted all sorts of rules and laws to. To curtail students and what they can do on campuses and in finding legal justifications for manipulating education money, she is a dangerous and effective pick. And that's frankly worse than what we would have got with Matt Gates, even with the deplorable moral background that he has.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Matt Gaetz]

And I want to discuss that with.

[Charlie Kirk]

A little more depth with both of.

[Matt Gaetz]

You, including her record on civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and other issues that are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Front and center at the doj and.

[Matt Gaetz]

Which we know were also big campaign issues this cycle.

[Brooke Rollins]

It's a self fulfilling. You demonize and then you. We call it the wrap up smear. If anyone talk politics, call it the wrap up smear. You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest and then you merchandise it and then you write it. And they'll say, see, it's reported in the press that this, this, this and this. So they have that validation that the press reported the smear and then it's called the wrap up smear. Now I'm going to merchandise the press's report on the smear that we made.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Every day is a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every with the will to deceive. Fear not. You found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk show. Buckle up. Here we go. Okay, everybody, radio stations across the country, happy Friday. It is a glorious day to be alive. We won and they lost. And even though there might be bumps along the road, things are going quite well. Email us. As always, freedom. CharlieKirk.com Become a member today. Members.charliekirk.com and right out of the gate, we have a special treat for you. Somebody in very, very high demand. Somebody that I went to the mat for. We definitely had a very eventful week together. But you don't always get what you want. And he is a great American patriot and someone I'm excited to talk to today. It is Matt Gaetz. Matt, welcome to the program. Matt. I know this last Week was a roller coaster for you. How you holding up, Matt?

[Matt Gaetz]

I'm great. I am so excited about where this transition stands. And I know there are people disappointed that I won't be the next Attorney General. But you have to understand this is the political process. And sometimes the path you're on is, is one that takes you to a different place. And it could be a glorious place. My good friend Pam Bondi is going to be a phenomenal Attorney General for Donald Trump. She has the legal acumen, she hates criminals. She is a bright legal mind and a fellow Floridian. So I think that even though the path will take me to a different station in life and a different place to fight for our agenda and President Trump, we've got a great person in place. And I enjoyed the time on the Hill, frankly, talking with senators. And we had great momentum when people got to hear my vision for the Department of Justice. Taking out the weaponization, implementing the presidents and immigration agenda, changing the Office of Civil Rights to actually fight for the free speech on college campuses that so many of your viewers and listeners care about, attacking the precursors to fentanyl and dismantling the censorship industrial complex. That's exactly the work that Pam Bondi is highly qualified to do. And again, while our discussions were going well, I found myself having to do two jobs at one time, Charlie. And you got a front row seat to this. I had a full time job explaining to senators that maybe a tweet I sent about them was rash and not reflective of how I would serve as Attorney General. And at the same time, I was having to build out the Department of Justice with the right human talent, the right policy infrastructure, And Pam Bondi's confirmation won't have some of the sharp edges that mine would have. It won't take the same long process. So AG Bondi will be able to start implementing those Trump policies right away. So we're ready on day one. We remember that it was the Department of Justice with Sally Yates on day one of the last Trump administration, where a lot of our agenda was scuttled, where they started the whole Russia hoax nonsense, where they limited the President's ability to do what was necessary on some immigration fronts. And so with Pam Bondi ready on day one, we're going to be so much more successful. And now you and me and the rest of the America first army, we're going to get right back to work scouring for talent. And you and I have been very involved at Mar A Lago at finding patriotic Americans who want to do incredible service not for themselves, for the country and putting them in a position to succeed. So I might not lead the league in scoring in the upcoming few months, but I want to lead the league in assists. I want to help you find those great folks, get them in great position and see the President Trump is a historically successful precedent.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, Matt, I want to build that out and continue to go into that. But first I just want to address some of the speculation. Some people say it was, you know, the House ethics report. Some people say that there were five immovable senators. I just want to briefly touch on this, Matt, because there was so much media nonsense around it and lies about you and your character and I was out there defending every single day. I just want you to opportunity to address that once and for all. We can kind of put this to rest. Matt, what happened here?

[Matt Gaetz]

Yeah, there is a play that is run in Washington when they're trying to smear somebody and you know, they go and dredge up false years old allegations of the most salacious and clickbait flavor possible. And in this case, those allegations were coming from sources that Merrick Garland's DOJ had already deemed not credible. Like if the things that the House ethics report were true, I would be under indictment and probably in a prison cell. But of course they're false because when you test them against other records, when you test them against other testimony, it all falls apart very quickly. But I was dealing with a politically motivated body. They didn't like me because of what I did to Kevin McCarthy. All of them were handpicked by Kevin McCarthy and they had an AXA grind. So that was going to serve as at least enough of a basis to delay my confirmation as Attorney General. And I could have answered all those questions. I could have engaged in a months long fact battle. But we don't have months to go through that. We got to have an AG ready to go day one to implement the immigration agenda and work on the other key policy deregulatory objectives of the President. Then as it relates to where the Senate was, Charlie, look, there were senators that had not gotten to yes. And what I can tell you is the movement was unidirectional. The more I got to talk to senators, the more they started to understand that these priorities of mine would bring the country together. They would get the Justice Department back on track. And frankly, they're going to be the priorities of the Trump administration under a fantastic, fantastic Attorney General, Pam Bondi. I know what an immigration hardliner Pam Bondi is. I know that she's got no tolerance for the censorship. I know that she actually was part of the election integrity infrastructure in Florida that became the model for the country, and she can deliver that election integrity through our civil rights division. So it was more a matter of pace than anything. And the pace was just going to be too, too long for me. And with someone like Pam that we can put right there in that spot, we're going to be far more successful as an administration.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. So, Matt, I now have to ask about just what your plans are. And it's okay if you have to, you know, punt on it, because you might not know. It's important to know you resigned from this Congress, not the next Congress. Our audience is 100% behind Matt Gaetz, by the way. They are very, very upset that you are not able to get all the way to Attorney General. I have to ask, what is next for Matt Gaetz?

[Matt Gaetz]

I'm still going to be in the fight, but it's going to be from a new perch. I do not intend to join the 119th Congress. There are a number of fantastic Floridians who've stepped up to run for my seat, people who have inspired with their heroism, with their public service. And I'm actually excited to. To see northwest Florida go to new heights and have great representation. Charlie, I've been in an elected 14 years. I first got elected to the State House when I was 26 years old, and I'm 42 now. And I've got some other goals in life that I'm eager to pursue. My wife and my family. And so I'm going to be fighting for President Trump. I'm going to be doing whatever he asks of me, as I always have. But I think that eight years is probably enough time in the United States Congress. You know, in Florida, our voters got to vote on term limits for state government. And that the campaign was eight is enough. And so you can only do eight years in the Florida House of Representatives. And so it seems like a pretty poetic time to allow that great new blood to come in, to allow my district to have high quality representation. And don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I'm not taking off for, like, you know, a tropical excursion for the rest of my life. I am here to help save this country. And one thing, you know, the great patriots at turning point know we need people at every level. We need brilliant lawyers on the outside. We need tough congressmen and congresswomen on the inside. We need a leadership structure under President Trump that's going to allow for durability of our movement and the ability to continue this great realignment of our politics. And so I'll play a part in that. I plan to be a big voice, but maybe not as an elected member of the government.

[Charlie Kirk]

Matt, in 30 seconds you say here in your tweet, I look forward to continue to fight to save our country, just maybe from a different post, American flag. So I guess we'll just wait and see. Is that fair to say?

[Matt Gaetz]

Matt yeah, I think that we've got a lot of work to do within the Trump administration to find other great folks for great things. I'm going to play a key role in that. And you know what? I'm going to have a lot more to say about this in Arizona at America Fest. I'm going to be speaking there.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Matt Gaetz]

I could give a speech without the constraint public service on me, so you won't want to miss it.

[Charlie Kirk]

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I'm Bo Davidson with your Real America's voice. Headlines New York Judge Juan Merchan indefinitely postponed sentencing in President elect Trump's financial documents case. Judge Merchan gave Trump's team a deadline of December 2nd to file paperwork for the motion to dismiss the case altogether. Then the prosecution would have until December 9th to respond. Sentencing in the case was initially set for next week. And as we've been reporting, the Illinois State Supreme Court overturns Jussie Smollett's conviction for lying about a hate crime. Smollett's team argued that a special prosecutor should not have been allowed to intervene in the case after the Cook county state attorney dropped the charges. Smollett claimed two men assaulted him and shouted racist and homophobic slurs at him and put a noose around his neck. Meanwhile, home sales rose in October for the first time in three years. Officials say that existing home sales rose nearly 3% year over year, which is the first time since July of 2021. Home prices also rose for the 16th straight month to a median price of more than $407,000. People are still battling higher than average mortgage rates due to elevated interest rates. And finally, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Former talk show host Ellen DeGeneres is reportedly leaving the United States after President elects Trump's Winning the Rap reports that DeGeneres is moving to England and they reportedly brought the property, bought the property just before the election. I'm Bo Davidson. Back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email as always, freedomarliekirk.com Matt Gaetz continues with us. Matt, I want to get your thoughts on this. There's a lot of rumors swirling about who might run the FBI next. One of the names that is being discussed is Mike Rogers, who was unsuccessful in his Senate bid in the state of Michigan last night. Andy McCabe, who we all know is the worst of the worst, endorsed Mike Rogers to become FBI director. Andy McCabe went on CNN and said it's a totally reasonable and logical selection to nominate to lead the agency, pointing to his knowledge of the intel community and his experience at the FBI. So Andy McCabe has endorsed Mike Rogers. How should we think about this? MATT Gaetz.

[Matt Gaetz]

Well, I thought I had the worst day for prospects of serving in the Department of Justice. But if Andy McCabe endorsed Mike Rogers and that information gets to President Trump, and I suspect it will, I don't think it will do very well for Mike Rogers. Case I was for Mike for Senate. It's unfortunate that he ran a few points behind the president and didn't prevail there. But I think that Mike Rogers will be asked really tough questions from some of the civil libertarians in the Republican Conference about just how robust the surveillance state should be. We've seen the surveillance state weaponized against Republicans and Democrats alike. We've seen the Constitution torn asunder in the desire to allow the FBI to be very snoopy. And Mike Rogers has been a champion for the most aggressive actions in that respect. And I think that President Trump wants to see more reform there probably than Mike Rogers does.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's. Let's play cut 82. I'm not exactly sure. Let me see which clip this is here before we go into it. Yeah, this is Mike Rogers. Some of his thoughts on President Trump. Play cut 82. I don't believe today as I'm sitting here, that Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee in 2024. Don't believe it. I don't.

[Matt Gaetz]

I don't think it's helpful for the.

[Unnamed Political Commentator (possibly Brooke Rollins)]

President of the United States to attack the media.

[Matt Gaetz]

It's petty and it's certainly below the stature of the office of the President of the United States. It's beneath the office in and of itself.

[Charlie Kirk]

Actions and activities unbecoming of the office of the President of the United States. I don't want to spend too much time on your valuable time, Matt, on this, but it seems as if he's not exactly a fan of President Trump and him becoming FBI director. I think his odds are decreasing in real time. In closing here, Matt, we have a mandate. We have a mandate to fix the DOJ and fix the FBI. You mentioned some of this previously, but what are some of the other things that you had to really think about this last week, Matt? You had to really go into planning mode because you were the attorney general designate. What specific items did you come up with in the last week as you went through these briefings and these transition meetings that you want to share with our audience of action items for Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche and the incoming Department of Justice team?

[Matt Gaetz]

There's going to be a lot of self deporting at the Department of Justice that was happening when I was the attorney general designate. I'm sure it will continue with Pam Bondi because people know that reform is coming. We're not going to be doing things the same way we used to do them. And so you're going to have a lot of positions to fill. And one of the most important things for us to do is get really bright lawyers, not from just inside the Beltway of Washington, but from the great DA offices around the country, from state attorneys general who have people who feel that call to come and help us reclaim the Department of Justice as a valued institution constrained by the Constitution, not as the enforcement wing of the political left in the country. And we've seen that under both President Trump and President Biden, it must change. The other thing is a bit granular, but I think people will understand it when you have the recalcitrants who dig in and want to do things like change FISA applications illegally and fraudulently to ensnare President Trump or other Republicans. You have to put those people on the line. You have to take those people out of their big cushy offices in the Kennedy Building or in the Hoover Building, and you've got to send them out into the field prosecuting crimes in Indian country or working and litigating sections of the department. And if you do that, I think some of the folks who prefer to play politics than follow the facts in the law will indeed leave the Department of Justice, creating more opportunity for those patriotic Americans that we've discussed. Also, there has to be a real effort from the Office of Personal Management from the very, very beginning to figure out who was breaking the law with FISA and then fire those people. When Inspector General Horowitz, who was appointed by Obama, reviewed their conduct, they were breaking the law 38 times an hour. They were spying on their ex lovers, their neighbors, their spouses, coworkers, and the people that did that. If they are fired for cause, then it will have a very cleansing and therapeutic effect throughout the department.

[Charlie Kirk]

Very quickly, 25 seconds, Matt, what is your advice to Tulsi Bobby that you learned this last week that they should know to get across the finish line.

[Matt Gaetz]

Spend as much time with senators as possible. My best moments were with some of my harshest critics because when you lay out your plans and your agenda, how that's all going to fit together in great ways with the administration. Senators will move, so don't give up on them, work them hard and really have detailed plans. I didn't have senators asking me about anything other than the vision of the department and everyone should follow that advice.

[Charlie Kirk]

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I'm Bo Davidson with your Real America's Voice. Headlines Pollster Nate Silver is calling on Joe Biden to resign the presidency. Silver questions if there is any particular reason Biden should finish out his term and added that there are very high stakes decisions that need to be made, so Kamala Harris should serve out the last two months. Biden withdrew from the election after his debate with now President elect Trump as questions about his capacity came up. Meanwhile, President Elect Trump's incoming border czar, Tom Homan, says the administration will use the land Texas offered for mass deportations of illegal aliens. Homan says that the illegal aliens have to be detained for a short time while they get travel documents from their host country and secure flights along with other logistics. The state offered 1400 acres of land for various facilities. And finally, the chief of the Transportation Security Administration, David Pikoski, says he would like to continue serving under President elect Trump. Pikoski says that he loves the job and that it's important for continuity to the TSA to finish out his second term. Pocoski was unanimously confirmed in 2017 during Trump's first term. And finally, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Former talk show host Ellen DeGeneres is reportedly leaving the United States after President elect Trump's win. The Wrap reports that DeGeneres is moving to England and they reportedly bought the property just before the election. Several celebrities vowed to leave the country after Trump won in 2016, but they stayed. Those are your headlines. Now back to the CHARLIE KIRK show.

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[Brooke Rollins]

Oh, my goodness, Charlie Kirk, how have we not ever done this before? I mean, you've been like my buddy for a decade and I'm not taking it personally, but I'm really glad I'm on with you this morning.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, we're going to make up for lost time, Brooke, and you've been so good to me and to Turning Point. So let's start with the breaking news. Pam Bondi has been very involved with AFPI the last couple of years. Tell us about this excellent selection of Pam Bondi as attorney General.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, listen, Pam Bondi, I just, in fact, just got off the phone with her to get onto your show. She helped us at the very dark days. Probably there weren't a lot of us that were still in the maga, America First, Donald Trump, you know, keep marching forward world early 2021, a lot of people thought the movement was dead. We, of course, knew better. But Pam Bondi, from the moment we even discussed the putting together a massive new effort that is founded on the first term of President Trump's policy wins for the next 100 years. Pam was there. She is a warrior. She built our litigation team. Of course, her time in Florida as attorney general, she was tough, she was smart, but she was beloved. I mean, she is the epitome of the America first movement and she's going to crush it as aggressive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And the liberals, the left, they're losing their mind. I want to play this from MSNBC yesterday and get your reaction. Brooke, just this outrageous reaction from, I think it's Ari Melber. And you know, they're not having a good couple of weeks and it's not going to get better.

[Brooke Rollins]

They're not. They're not.

[Unnamed Political Commentator (possibly Brooke Rollins)]

Pam Bondi is exactly what I was saying in the last segment that we should all fear because she's competent. We may not agree with her ideologically, but she actually knows how to do this job. So if anyone on the Democratic side or anyone who cared about liberty or justice was thinking, well, maybe Matt Gaetz will screw this up and that'll give us some time. No, Pam Bondi knows what she's doing. She knows what she's doing about immigration. Remember, Florida is one of those states that's been very aggressive about migrants and deportation and moving people to different states and everything else like that. Florida has enacted all sorts of rules and laws to curtail students and what they can do on campuses and finding legal justification for manipulating education money. She is a dangerous and effective pick, and that's frankly, worse than what we would have got with Matt Gates, even with the deplorable moral background that he has.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Matt Gaetz]

And I want to discuss that with.

[Charlie Kirk]

A little more depth with both of.

[Matt Gaetz]

You, including her record on civil rights, LGBTQ rights, and other issues that are front and center at the doj and which we know were also big campaign issues this cycle.

[Charlie Kirk]

Brooke. I mean, I can't think of a better endorsement. Brooke Rollins.

[Brooke Rollins]

I. I can't believe for the first time in the history of all time, I actually agree with someone on msnbc, like, this is a banner day for a lot of different reasons. But listen, they're right. They're completely right. She is competent. She knows what she's doing. She was one of the most, if not the most successful state attorney general. And Charlie, you and I have long so believed that the states really are the guardians at the gate and that, you know, coming up through the state process and building a book of. A book of business and policy wins in the states is really perhaps the best way to prepare for a big job like Attorney General. I think this is maybe his most important pick. Others may disagree with that, but I think, you know, Treasury, Commerce, education, those are all extremely important game changing positions. But this position, Attorney General, I believe, could be the most important. And I think he's got an absolute winner in Pam Bondi.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so let's go through just quickly some of the policy. What would you like to see the Department of Justice do from a policy perspective? We obviously going after child sex trafficking, cracking down on illegal immigration. What policies would you like to see the Department of Justice focus on?

[Brooke Rollins]

Listen, the two you just mentioned are top of the list. But for me, we have a once in a lifetime, perhaps once in a country's history time, an opportunity to de. Weaponize government. And we all know this, right? We turn into a banana republic. President Trump was facing almost a thousand years in prison for some documents. I mean, this was insanity. They tried to, they tried to put him in jail. They tried to impeach him, they tried to kill him. And so the DOJ and what Pam will eventually lead, pending Senate confirmation, which I see no problem there is the absolute most important thing, I think, that the Department of Justice and one of the most important things I think that this next administration must tackle and win. And that is taking the government out and getting the weaponization out of our government. And that's what I think Pam will lead. And I think she'll be very successful.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I want, I want to kind of go around the horn here, but I want to play one more piece of tape here of Pam Bondi's record when it comes to illegal immigration, which again, the Department of Justice has been like a sister agency for the open borders agenda. When she was attorney general of Florida, she would, she would go after illegal migrants that were coming into Florida. And the Department of Justice plays a very important role there. I don't think we have that tape, but let's just broaden it more. Brooke. Brooke, what would you say of the other personnel and policy positions that President Trump has selected? Let's go around the horn. From Bobby Kennedy to Linda McMahon to Tulsi Gabbard, what is your analysis of the team that President Trump is assembling?

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, first and into the original thought, the mass deportation, the securing our borders, I mean, there to keep America, that is absolutely top of the list. I think that Tom Homan, with Kristi Noeman, others are going to do a great job. But to your point, Charlie, you're always right that that partnership with the DOJ is going to be absolutely paramount to being able to succeed at that going around the horn. You know, I've been talking a lot about the election of 1800 when there was a massive inflection point, right. George Washington said, I'm going to step away. No one could believe it. No one had ever walked away from power before Thomas Jefferson won that race. You then fast Forward to the 1860-64 with Abraham Lincoln and his team of rivals, another inflection point in American history. Then you move into the 1920s, FDR, 1930s, another inflection point. Well, Charlie, in 500 years, they're going to talk about 2024 as the fourth inflection point in American history and perhaps the point that saved America and our founding fathers vision of the Constitution and freedom and liberty. And so the team that he has assembled from the incredible Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, I know Charlie You've been such a big part of that. The Doge effort to the Tulsi Gabbard, the John Ratcliffe, the Bobby Kennedy, I mean, whoever. Charlie, when you and I started working together a decade ago, I'm not sure that we would have. We certainly would have dreamt of a moment like this, but I'm not sure that either one of us could have ever hoped for this sort of team of rivals, of game changers, of transgender formational figures all coming together to meet the moment, to live in this miracle that we find ourselves in. The big win from two weeks ago. But now the most important part, the opportunity to really govern and take our country back is remarkable. We're living in the middle of history.

[Charlie Kirk]

We truly are. And I want to dive even deeper into this because the policy side of this is incredibly important. I know you focused this on primarily at afpi, and so what. What can be done day one from fulfilling some of these campaign mandates? I know you've done a lot of this work from day one. Executive orders and personnel as policy. We have about three and a half minutes. Please take it to educate our audience on what we can do day one to hit the ground running.

[Brooke Rollins]

Well, in answering that, let me take us back in just a little bit of a historical walk. You know, Charlie, the fourth year, I was with the president for three years in the last White House, managed a lot of big projects, but the last year I was his domestic policy chief and really spent a good part of that year mapping out his second term. So I knew that November 3rd was the election, fully expected the win. November 4th, term two would begin. And we were going to be, for the first time, incredibly organized and intentional and strategic. More tax cuts, a more secure border. You know, all the things that we had finally begun to figure out in that first term. Well, as we know, that contiguous second term did not happen. So as we were dealing with what was a taken election from President Trump in 2020 to January 6, which a lot of darkness had descended into Washington and onto the America first movement, in my heart, I knew that if we could keep the momentum, if we could build an organization, if we could have a 100 year plan that was based on the winning of the policy in that first term, no more Republican establishment, Republican business as usual. This was the new way forward. And in so doing, we would build a massive tent of new people that Charlie, youth, you know, black, Hispanic, et cetera. So we built an entire effort around that first term. But what I was really working to do is no matter who the next America first president was in that January of 2021, we would begin building in preparation for that day, hopefully in four years from 21. But if it was eight years or 12 years, we would be ready. The Democrats are always ready and our side kind of shows up and we're like, oh, we're governing now. What do we do that that would never happen again. So for almost three plus years, very quietly under the radar, we never talked to press about it. We had almost 950 former Trump administration officials quietly writing the agency plans, preparing the 300 executive orders, making sure that we had the rules and regulations organized and ready, and so obviously tracking with the president every time at a rally, he'd say on day one, this is what we're going to do. We would write it down and begin mapping out how to actually achieve that in every single lane of policy. So what a joy now to see that hopefully a lot of that work is used, maybe most of it. But I think that we're going to be ready in a way and the President is going to have one of the most remarkable, if not the most remarkable, four years in American history.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love it. Brooke, thank you so much for all of that. And the personnel is policy, as we build the personnel team, policy will be implemented. Please share the website one last time.

[Brooke Rollins]

Brooke for our audience, America FirstPolicy.com and RC4America First Works, which is taking the policy alongside turning point action into every corner of the country as we keep building the winning machine for the future.

[Charlie Kirk]

Brooke, love working with you. Thank you so much. See you soon.

[Brooke Rollins]

You're the best, Charlie. Thank you.

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[Ms. Crockett]

Then misuse words like oppression. There has been no oppression for the white man in this country. You tell me which white men were dragged out of their homes. You tell me which one of them got dragged all the way across and ocean and told that you are going to go and work. We are going to steal your wives. We are going to rape your wives. That didn't happen. That is oppression. We didn't ask to be here. We not the same migrants that y' all constantly come up against we didn't run away from home. We were stolen. So yeah, we are going to sit here and be offended when you want to sit here and act like and, and, and don't let it escape you that it is white men on this side of the aisle telling us people of color on this side of the aisle that y' all are the ones being oppressed, that y' all are the ones that are being harmed.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I suppose that that is supposed to be some sort of rallying cry for the Democrat Party where she's trying to say that the color of your skin should determine and dictate whether or not you have a right to be able to talk about oppression. It's very interesting. I would love her thoughts on Daniel Penny right now. Love her thoughts. What does she think? What's happening to Daniel Penny in New York right now? Do you think that Daniel Penny would be on this Moscow style show trial in the city of New York if he was anything but a Marine? A veteran Marine, veteran white, straight, Christian man. By the way, I'm curious what she thinks about affirmative action. Affirmative action is hostile anti white acceptance policies in higher education and hiring practices in the federal government. The Democrat Party is going to go further and further in this direction. They think they did not play race politics enough. They think they under underplayed their hand of the radical elements of their party. If you think the Democrat Party is going to come together and kind of become a more moderate version of their former selves and embrace free speech and embrace openness and dialogue, you are mistaken. In the DNA, in the fiber, in the modus operandi, in the standard operating procedure of the Democrat Party is race Marxism is this belief that the structures around us are configured in a way that if you are a quote unquote, person of color, that you must tear down the systems around you and continue the revolution against the white man. There's a civil war right now and the moderates are getting a few shots in, but they're being told to shut up. And the Bolsheviks and the race Marxist revolutionaries, they will be successful and the Democrat Party will become even more radical. Second hour coming up.

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