The Charlie Kirk Show, November 25, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show — November 25, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Charlie Kirk (with producers Blake Neff, Andrew Colbert, Grace; guests Mike Davis, Bill Federer, Dr. Jerry Newcombe)
Date: November 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This powerful episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, airing ahead of Thanksgiving, unpacks two major threads: First, the political storm surrounding six Democratic lawmakers’ controversial video urging military members to disobey “illegal orders”—with a focus on Senator Mark Kelly and the possible consequences he faces. Secondly, as the holiday approaches, the episode delivers a rich, heartfelt discussion on the uniquely American origins and spiritual power of Thanksgiving with historian Bill Federer and Dr. Jerry Newcombe.

The first hour is dominated by debate over the boundaries of military obedience and political dissent, featuring real-time analysis, notable listener emails, and extended commentary from legal expert Mike Davis. The second hour transitions to a detailed examination of Thanksgiving’s roots, focusing on the Pilgrims, America’s Christian heritage, its legal foundations, and reflections on gratitude—anchored in tributes to Charlie Kirk’s own legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Seditious Six" and the Mark Kelly Controversy

[11:42 – 40:57]

Background

• Six Democratic lawmakers—including Sens. Alyssa Slotkin and Mark Kelly—released a video urging the military to “refuse illegal orders.”
• Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth responded, calling for a possible court-martial of Sen. Kelly (a retired Navy captain), based on the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).
• Discussion centers on the boundaries of lawful dissent, the seriousness of undermining the chain of command, and the politics surrounding alleged “sedition.”

Main Insights

• Military Obedience:
  • The show reviews military law: service members must refuse illegal orders, but ambiguity and public speculation can erode trust and cohesion.
  • “You must refuse illegal orders.” — Charlie Kirk, {03:41}
• Political Fallout:
  • The hosts debate whether Kelly and others crossed a line or exercised legitimate political speech.
  • Kirk asserts: “This is a video…designed to be provocative and cute. But the problem…was that they were undermining and sowing doubt. …They are all guilty of trying to undermine the president.” {27:19}
  • Discussion appears at [03:44–22:05] and continues through [24:16–40:57].
• Risk of Overreach:
  • Producer Grace notes that sedition and treason accusations have deep, troubling powers; overuse could create sympathetic “victims” and backfire politically.
  • “There is both damage you can do to the country by really aggressively pursuing this and also damage you can do to yourself politically.” — Grace, {29:20}
• Mike Davis’ Legal Perspective:
  • Davis urges strong accountability: “Mark Kelly…should absolutely get court-martialed and held accountable for this…They need to make an example out of this guy.” {35:56}
  • Davis warns against precedent: “If smart Harvard lawyers and judges get the law wrong, how the hell do we expect 18-year-old military enlistees to figure out what the law is?” {38:04}
  • The debate surfaces whether punishment creates martyrs or deters real insubordination.

Notable Quotes & Exchanges

• “You cannot have a functioning military when you have elected leaders...saying don’t trust the commander in chief. Right. That is sowing discord within the ranks.” — Charlie Kirk, {30:47}
• “This is a very dangerous game these politicians are playing. And Mark Kelly...should be held accountable for this.” — Mike Davis, {39:19}

Important Segment Timestamps

• [12:22] — Recap of controversy, video replay, analysis
• [16:20] — Explanation of military legal standards and UCMJ
• [24:16] — Listener reactions and debate on sedition
• [35:47] — Mike Davis interview begins
• [38:04] — Legal deep-dive: why letting junior service members decide “legality” of orders is dangerous
• [40:04] — Parallel drawn to previous cases (Venman, Obama admin legalities)

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2. Thanksgiving: History, Heritage, and Gratitude

[60:35 – End]

The Pilgrim Legacy

• Historian Bill Federer and Dr. Jerry Newcombe join to discuss the Pilgrims, America’s self-government roots, and the spiritual meaning of Thanksgiving.
• Federer: The Mayflower Compact was the first self-governing framework, unique in a world ruled by kings.
  • “The people, people, the king...We zoom in on the Pilgrims. Why? Well, they were the ones that had the Mayflower Compact, this idea of people ruling themselves.” — Bill Federer, {62:37}
• Newcombe emphasizes the sacrifices Pilgrims made for religious freedom, their trials, and the legacy of giving thanks to God even after severe loss.
  • “They suffered one hindrance and persecution after another. But they went forward with their goal.” — Dr. Jerry Newcombe, {66:37}

Christian Roots of America

• Refutes the secular myth: The Founders were overwhelmingly church-going Christians, not just deists.
  • “55 out of 56 of the original signers of the Declaration were Bible-believing church attending Christians.” — Charlie Kirk (clip), {82:53}
  • Nine of the original 13 state constitutions required office-holders to be Protestants.
• Thanksgiving as a public orientation toward gratitude and humility before God, not only celebration of material blessings.
• The holiday’s official, annual nationalization came in 1863, during the Civil War, through a proclamation by President Lincoln.

Memorable Moments & Listener Connections

• Reflection on Charlie Kirk’s own tradition of giving thanks and celebrating America’s providential founding.
• Audience engagement: Listeners email to affirm the spiritual and national importance of Thanksgiving.

Notable Quotes

• “It was religion and morality, specifically Christianity, that gave us the freedoms we enjoy.” — Dr. Jerry Newcombe, {85:30}
• “Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives. …But Thanksgiving was a devout expression of gratitude…to God for their survival.” — Rush Limbaugh (audio clip), [99:04]

Segment Timestamps

• [60:35] — Second hour kicks off with Thanksgiving special guests
• [62:37] — Federation on the American experiment in self-government
• [66:37] — Newcombe on Pilgrims’ suffering and Mayflower Compact
• [74:15] — Debunking secular myths about Founders’ religion
• [82:45] — Extended segment: Charlie Kirk’s “Was America Christian?” clip, reactions
• [90:15] — Federer on the tradition of days of fasting, prayer, and thanksgiving in U.S. history
• [99:04] — Rush Limbaugh clip on the true meaning of Thanksgiving
• [100:44] — Newcombe, Federer’s closing reflections on faith, history, and gratitude

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Notable Quotes — Attribution & Timestamps

• “You cannot have a functioning military when you have elected leaders...saying don’t trust the commander in chief. Right. That is sowing discord within the ranks.” — Charlie Kirk, {30:47}
• “What Senator Mark Kelly is doing here by wink wink nod nod to 18 year old military enlistees...you could not get more dangerous than this.” — Mike Davis, {35:56}
• “There is both damage you can do to the country by really aggressively pursuing this [court martial] and also damage you can do to yourself politically.” — Grace, {29:20}
• “55 out of 56 of the original signers of the Declaration were Bible-believing church attending Christians.” — Charlie Kirk (from archived clip), {82:53}
• “It was religion and morality, specifically Christianity, that gave us the freedoms we enjoy.” — Dr. Jerry Newcombe, {85:30}
• “They suffered one hindrance and persecution after another. But they went forward with their goal.” — Dr. Jerry Newcombe, {66:37}
• “Thanksgiving was a devout expression of gratitude...to God for their survival.” — Rush Limbaugh (audio clip), [99:04]

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Detailed Segment Breakdown (with Timestamps)

[03:44–22:05] — Analysis and Reaction: The “Seditious Six” Video

• Video replay and nuanced discussion of legal, political, military implications.

[24:16–40:57] — Listener Feedback, Historical Context, and Mike Davis Interview

• Emails from listeners on Mark Kelly and accusations of sedition.
• Mike Davis offers strong legal/historical context for court martial debate.

[60:35–70:16] — Thanksgiving’s History: Pilgrims, Compact, and Christian Self-Government

• Bill Federer details the uniquely self-governing vision of the Mayflower Compact.
• Dr. Jerry Newcombe examines the trials, faith, and legacy of the Pilgrims.

[74:15–90:15] — Christian Foundations and Founders' Religious Commitments

• Charlie Kirk’s famed “Christian roots” clip played and dissected.
• Federer outlines the religious demographics and structures of colonial America.
• Discussion on proclamations of gratitude, especially during nation’s conflicts.

[99:04–103:05] — Final Reflections and Calls to Gratitude

• Rush Limbaugh’s classic Thanksgiving reflection and the meaning behind it.
• Final encouragements to celebrate Thanksgiving as a sacred time of national gratitude and remembrance.

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Conclusion & Call to Action

The episode combines sharp political analysis with a reverent tribute to American tradition and faith, reminding listeners that the health of the republic (and its military) relies on shared values, moral clarity, and courageous gratitude. The show encourages everyone—especially in trying times—to practice thankfulness, remember America’s spiritual heritage, and uphold the principles that have preserved the nation's freedom since its founding.

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Further Resources & How to Connect

• Bill Federer: americanminute.com
• Dr. Jerry Newcombe / Providence Forum: providenceforum.org
• Charlie Kirk Show archives: Real America’s Voice, iHeartPodcasts

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Happy Thanksgiving from The Charlie Kirk Show team!

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Summary prepared by Podcast Summarizer (2025-11-26)

Transcript

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[Andrew Colbert]

I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin.

[Blake Neff]

Senator Mark Kelly. Representative Chris d'.

[Charlie Kirk]

Aluzio.

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Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander. Representative Chrissy Houlahan.

[Mike Davis]

Congressman Jason Crow.

[Blake Neff]

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

[Andrew Colbert]

You can refuse illegal orders.

[Charlie Kirk]

You must refuse illegal orders.

[Andrew Colbert]

Let's talk right now.

[Bill Federer]

Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

[Andrew Colbert]

To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is threatening to court martial Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona. The Pentagon says they've received allegations of misconduct against the retired Navy captain. This appears to all stem from that video that Senator Kelly made with other Democratic lawmakers urging service members to remember that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders. And the Department of Defense, which now calls itself the Department of War. They posted a statement on X saying that they have received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly. He was a captain when he retired from the the U.S. navy. And they said importantly that a thorough review of these allegations has been initiated to determine further actions which could include recall to active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures.

[Blake Neff]

Donald Trump called for my execution. I know a little bit about political violence. My wife Gabby was nearly assassinated. She was shot in the head because of political violence. She nearly died. These are the kind of things, threats that this president makes, not just to me, some of my colleagues as well. Just this week, he did this, threatened.

[Mike Davis]

Our lives, said we should be hanged because of something we said. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

Responded to Mark, Senator Mark Kelly, because Kelly put up a picture of his naval uniform. And Hegseth is saying, so Captain Kelly, which you put in quotes for some reason, not only did your sedition video intentionally undercut gorge discipline, you can't even display your uniform correctly. Hegseth claimed that the medals and rose.

[Grace]

Are out of order.

[Mike Davis]

And he says, I kid you not. The Secretary of Defense says to United States Senator and war hero responding to this picture, he's an astronaut. Quote, when and if you're recalled to active duty, it'll start with a uniform inspection. That is what the Secretary of Defense is focused on right now, saying he'll threaten the United States Senator, an astronaut, a veteran, with a uniform form inspection, in addition to potentially sedition charges. The military does not have a right to undermine the chief.

[Andrew Colbert]

Hold on a second. In this country, you do get to undermine The President of the United not.

[Mike Davis]

If you're in the military. He's the chief.

[Andrew Colbert]

If you are a member of Congress, you absolutely in this country have a free right to undermine the military.

[Blake Neff]

Fleet.

[Charlie Kirk]

Marine Force Pacific Understanding the military justice system and right right there. Chapter 6 Legality of orders Am I.

[Blake Neff]

Required to obey illegal orders?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, you are not. Suppose someone gives me an illegal order, I obey it.

[Mike Davis]

Can I use obedience to orders as.

[Blake Neff]

A valid defense to the charge?

[Bill Federer]

No, you cannot.

[Charlie Kirk]

So this idea that these Democrats in.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

Just reminding service members that they don't.

[Mike Davis]

Have to carry out illegal orders, that.

[Charlie Kirk]

That in itself was hideously offensive. I guess people can be offended by.

[Blake Neff]

Whatever they want, but it is not.

[Grace]

Unheard of for service members to be.

[Charlie Kirk]

Told don't carry out orders that you know are illegal.

[Andrew Colbert]

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Welcome to the Jolly Kirk Show. Happy Tuesday. Here in the studio in Phoenix joined by Blake Neff, one of the producers on this show, our not so secret weapon. We are going to talk about Ukraine. We're also going to talk about the seditious six that is the lead today. Then we have Mike Davis joining us at the second half of this hour. And then in hour two, we're going to be doing a whole tribute to Thanksgiving, a uniquely American and providential, I would say, holiday that we are grateful and thankful for. All right. So, Blake, take us up to speed. There's been a lot since yesterday's show about this back and forth between Secretary of War Pete Hegseth and Senator Mark Kelly.

[Grace]

So let's start from the baseline. Most of you have seen this, but in case you haven't, this is the video that kicked it all off that six Democrats put out, they released on social media a few days ago. Let's just put it up 164.

[Blake Neff]

I'm Senator Alyssa Slotkin, Senator Mark Kelly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Representative Chris D', Aluzio, Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander.

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Representative Chrissy Houlihan, Congressman Jason Crow.

[Blake Neff]

Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

[Andrew Colbert]

You can refuse illegal orders.

[Charlie Kirk]

You must refuse illegal orders.

[Grace]

And so, and it went on a bit like that. You must refuse illegal orders.

[Charlie Kirk]

Don't, don't, don't.

[Grace]

Give up the ship.

[Charlie Kirk]

Give up the ship.

[Grace]

So as many people pointed out, that's definitely, it's not implying anything that's good. The best defense you could make is they're worried Trump might make an illegal order and they're saying people should defy it. But there's a very strong vibe that they are soliciting, encouraging some element of defiance of the administration's order.

[Charlie Kirk]

Slotkin has, Slotkin has even gone on the record saying, no, I'm not aware of any illegal orders. So it's basically, well, they have to.

[Grace]

Say that basically, otherwise they are actively telling them to defy orders right now. But anyway, Mark Kelly, he is a retired fighter pilot, but he still has I can't remember his exact role with the military, but he has the ability to be recalled. So essentially, he is still subject to military discipline in certain ways, or so the War Department says. And so what we had is first, the Department of War put out an official statement. Let's put up 155. The Department of War has received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly, US Navy, retired, in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice. And there's a whole long thing that they are may consider action in. And then Secretary of War Pete Hegseth comes out and he has his own tweet. 156 the despicable video urging Department of War troops to refuse illegal orders may seem harmless to civilians, but it carries a different weight inside the military. This was and it's very long. Let me bring it up here. It's not all on this, on this sheet. One moment. But he goes on to basically say that they're going to look into a court martial action for. All right, I've got it here. Continue reading. This was a politically motivated influence operation that never named a specific legal order. It created ambiguity rather than clarity. It used carefully scripted legal sounding language and it subtly reframed military obedience around partisan distrust instead of established legal doctrines. In the military, vague rhetoric and ambiguity undermine trust, create hesitation in the chain of command and erode cohesion. The military has clear procedures for handling unlawful orders. It does not need political actors and injecting doubt. And so then he goes on in 158 he goes on to threaten an actual court martial against him. Is that a video or a photo? Looks like it's a video.

[Andrew Colbert]

Let's do 158 Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is threatening to court martial Democratic Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona. The Pentagon says they've received allegations of misconduct conduct against the retired Navy captain. This appears to all stem from that video that Senator Kelly made with other Democratic lawmakers urging service members to remember that they have a duty to disobey illegal orders. And the Department of Defense, which now calls itself the Department of War, they posted a statement on X saying that they have received serious allegations of misconduct against Captain Mark Kelly. He was a captain when he retired from the U.S. navy. And they said importantly that a thorough review of these allegations have has been initiated to determine further actions which could include recall to active duty for court martial proceedings or administrative measures.

[Grace]

So definitely if email us what you think about this freedom@charlie kirk.com especially because this is Arizona, Senator, because I guess where do you think you're going to go from here? Do you think they'll go for it? Andrew?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, so I think they've given themselves an out here or administrative measures. Right. And so I think, I think what's going to happen is they're going to basically try and you know, shame him into in some way shape or form. And we have to we talked about this actually before they'll stop at that. I mean, I mean I don't know but I will say shame Letitia James and by the way, for those who are curious, the ucmj, the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If you're wondering why it only applies to Mark Kelly, which is a question I had it. It governs conduct for active duty members, reservists and certain retirees. It does not apply to fully separated veterans, those who left without retiring after 20 PL year. So presumably he put in his 20 plus years, retired in a full military retirement style, and therefore he's still subject. If you take the 20 year plus retirement from the military, apparently you're still subject to the ucmj. But yeah, I mean, I think he's, he's saying that they're still subject to certain administrative measures. I, I am. Listen, I find this to be egregious, what they did, you and I actually immediately immediate reaction was it was egregious. And I would also just say that there is a risk because I've been disgusted how all of them have gone on social media and been, I'm a victim. I'm a victim. I can't believe President Trump would say this about me and that he's, you know, he wants me to be executed. No, he was rightfully offended. He was rightfully, I would say upset. Angered, PO'd, you might say, which is the word I was going for. I stopped myself. But he was rightfully. All of these things he, he put on social media. He truthed that a Washington examiner article and it said that, yeah, listen, this is seditious behavior. If you were found guilty of seditious behavior, then guess what one of the potential punishments is, you know, not so good things, as Charlie would say. And so listen, I don't think, I don't think anybody is thinking that this is going here, but I do think that there should be real consequences for this save going so far as to make him an actual victim. That's what we have to warn for and that's what we talked about before here. If you actually make him a sympathetic.

[Grace]

Figure, then what they did was egregious. I don't think it was egregious enough that you could bring Mark Kelly into a court martial docket, have him in his uniform, sitting up rigid straight, giving speeches, how I only ever cared about serving my country, looking the part, all cinematic. And you try to convict him of that, maybe you do. I feel the only reason to do that is if you are dead certain you have good oppo on Mark Kelly and you want him to be J.D. vance's 2028 opponent.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right? Well, there is good oppo that would.

[Grace]

Very quickly make him a front.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, I don't want to get into it too much, but I've just heard we are in Arizona after all. I heard there's quite a bit of oppo on Mark Kelly. But listen, that's, I'll stop there. This is what really upsets me. And this is that Elise Slotkin, who was CIA, by the way. What's the CIA really good at, Blake? Oh, I don't know. Destabilizing foreign governments. You say that. I feel like they're pretty bad at it. They might be bad at it, but this one, they think they're good.

[Grace]

They like to think they're good.

[Charlie Kirk]

So here's here. This is what frustrates me. And you said that they have to say this. But look at 159. Let's go ahead and play this. Cut this from the weekend. Alyssa Slotkin admitting that Democrats lied about President Trump issuing illegal orders to the military. 159, let's talk right now.

[Bill Federer]

Do you believe President Trump has issued any illegal orders?

[Andrew Colbert]

To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that are illegal. But certainly there are some legal gymnastics that are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related to Venezuela.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, so there it is. He hasn't done anything illegal. We just, out of the blue decided to throw up a flare.

[Grace]

We're worried he might. We're worried he might.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're worried that there might be another pandemic. We're worried that there might be an economic collapse. We're worried about a lot of things. That doesn't mean you go out and make a video. I mean, this is what I think has a lot of people's hair on the back of their necks up. And that is the fact that out of the blue these people just did this video and they are hinting at something. There's something very fishy, very underhanded going on here. There is a lot of people that are suggesting that this is seeding the ground for something terrible in the future or for some other sort of Color Revolution esque action. And I think that's why we're all like, kind of it got our attention because, like, something isn't right here. Something is very, not very much not right. And I understand the reaction that they're getting. First, I want to tell you guys about one of our partners on this show. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries. And I want to point you to their podcast, Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective that he takes into each and every episode and he talks about the issues that we're actually facing today. Gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump in the White House, issues in the church. There he goes after everything. And it's so, it's so relevant to our current moment. And then he has a guest with a powerful testimony and expertise of their own. You can get this podcast, the Culture and Christianity podcast, YouTube, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast and subscribe so you don't miss an episode. And then finally, Alan Jackson Ministries is working hard to bring biblical truth back into the culture. So you can find out more about Pastor Allen and the [e-mail] Charlie that's a L L E N jackson.com Charlie Pastor Alan's a great guy. Check him out. We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

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[Blake Neff]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We got a couple emails here.

[Grace]

A bunch of good. We got a bunch of good emails in that break.

[Charlie Kirk]

Freedom charliekirk.com Freedom charliekirk.com First, I want.

[Grace]

To shout out Nancy who just messaged us to say that she was just baptized at the age of 63 and she gives Charlie Carly credit for that decision. Thank you very much. God bless you. Nancy wanted to shout that out. We got an email from one of our biggest fans, Steve, at American Tactics az. He sends us a Bible verse every day along with a lot of responses. And he says Senator Mark Kelly accused President Trump of calling for Kelly's execution. I claim balderdash on that accusation. As a lifelong resident of Arizona, this pathetic excuse of an elected official who is a transplant has placed an enormous stain on the great State of Arizona. We need to bring Arizona back to full on red. Amen, Steve. We're working on that. Obviously, we're going to keep working.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, he's, you know, what's funny about him is I look at Mark Kelly, you know, here he is invoking the name of Charlie, you know, because President Trump said, you know, he's doing seditious things. So obviously one of the potential penalties is the death penalty. Okay, that's, that's, I get it. That's inflammatory. That's, that's probably the max.

[Grace]

It's probably not going to happen now, Grace.

[Charlie Kirk]

But hold on. For him to bring up Charlie's name is, is. I just, I find it really despicable, actually. And so anyways. Go ahead, Grace.

[Grace]

Well, Grace says. Come on, guys. Charlie would demand we arrest and charge constitutional justice. Yes to death penalty. I am calling for the military.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here's Phyllis. Of course, they should all be convicted of this, of sedition. They are all guilty of trying to undermine the president, United States. Nothing will happen, though. They are all getting away with everything. Well, I think this is, I think, you know, I think this is why Secretary Hegseth is, is sounding. The tone that he's sounding is because I think there is like a genuine fundamental, just frustration within the base that these people keep getting away with it. Right. We're going to have Mike Davis on in the second half of this hour. We're going to be talking about Leticia James Comey. It looks like the DOJ is going to be appealing that court case that has been thrown out because of a technicality, basically on the legality of Lindsey Halligan's appointment as a first step. So they're gonna be appealing that. But in general, there is a feeling of frustration that some of these people, these wrongdoers, these people that have, I think, done illegal things and it's been proven and they keep getting away with it. This is a video, a social media video that was designed to be provocative and cute. But the problem is the underlying message here, Blake, was that they were undermining and sowing doubt. And that. And by the way, that you have to be.

[Grace]

Sedition is a dicey word to use. That's, as I like to point out to Charlie, treason is defined in the Constitution. It's defined narrowly as, you know, it has to be levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort. And you need at least two witnesses. That's all because our founders knew English history and an English history, treason and sedition, you know, related Laws were used a lot for domestic political reasons against, you know, just domestic foes. And they were very worried about that. And we saw that ourselves. We saw that with January 6th, where they were hunting around to bring a sedition case against President Trump against his supporters. In the end, they settled for mostly just indicting hundreds and hundreds of his followers and convicting and sending them to prison. And we were very angry at that. We were very angry at that overreach. And quite plausibly, that overreach is why Trump is president again.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's important.

[Grace]

There's both damage you can do to the country by really aggressively pursuing this and also damage you can do to yourself politically. And you always have to take account for that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and here's what I will say. You know, when you talk about overreach, there is a clip here from Mark Kelly. Listen, I find Mark Kelly to be pretty, pretty despicable, actually. I feel like I see right through Mark Kelly. I don't see the strength that other people see or this like, stand up serviceman that served his country. And like I said, there is an oppo file on Mark Kelly in the state. But here's what's interesting. I do agree with you that I'm not sure how far we want to take this fight from a political standpoint. Listen, you and the base, you and the audience, you get what he was trying to do. He's undermining the President, United States, sowing doubt, sowing confusion. But he has this ace in the hole. And you got it. You got to acknowledge it. You got it. When you're going to fight a battle, you got to understand what you have in your favor, what is working against you. Play 161.

[Blake Neff]

Donald Trump called for my execution. I know a little bit about political violence. My wife Gabby was nearly assassinated. She was shot in the head because of political violence. She nearly died. These are the kind of threats that this president makes, not just to me, some of my colleagues as well.

[Mike Davis]

Just this week he did this, threatened our lives, said we should be hanged.

[Blake Neff]

Because of something we said.

[Charlie Kirk]

So he's got this trump card, if you will. And it is. What happened to his wife is egregious, terrible. I mean, especially in the wake of what happened to Charlie. I get it. So you just have to be careful about the battle you're gonna fight. Now, that's why I say, listen, he's gonna get investigated. The White House is saying that they fully support it. You cannot have a functioning military when you have elected leaders, especially of the profile Mark Kelly and Slotkin saying, you know, don't trust the commander in chief. Right. That is sowing discord within the ranks. The White House is supporting of this investigation. I think we're gonna find ourselves in an administration administrative solution. That's my prediction. Mike Davis joins us now.

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[Blake Neff]

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[Charlie Kirk]

All right. We are going to have Mike Davis with us in just a sec but first I want to tell you about our friends over at Patriot Mobile. Glenn and the team are amazing. Glenn Story is a great American and listen I, I get it. There's a lot of options when it comes to your wireless but there is only one, one that will support all the values that you hold dear all the values that we hold dear on this show and that is of course Patriot Mobile. You can check them out. Patriotmobile.com Charlie they support fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks or in my case I have two on one phone. Highly recommend. Don't just take my word for it. You can ask hundreds of thousands of other Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in simply by switching who they get their wireless and joining Patriot Mobile. Switching is easier than ever. You can activate within minutes. It's very very simple. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade so you can call them their US based support team. 972 Patriot 972 Patriot or go to patriotmobile.com Charlie that's patriotmobile.com Charlie. Highly recommend them. Highly recommend them. Mike Davis from the Article 3 project is joining us now. Mike, welcome to the show. I gotta just say we're, you know we're talking about the seditious six so let's start there. Give us your take on it. Are you a maximalist? Do you want to go full, full court martial proceedings after Mark Kelly? Are you, are you advising a more reserved.

[Grace]

Are you a squish like me?

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake is, Blake is saying let's not make him a victim. Let's not make him a future presidential candidate here if that's possible.

[Mike Davis]

What Senator Mark Kelly is doing here by wink wink Nod, nod to 18 year old military enlistees to decide what orders of the President of the United States, the commander in Chief are lawful versus unlawful and then to ignore what these 18 year old enlistees think are an unlawful orders of the President of the United States. You could not get more dangerous than this. That is interfering with the chain of commands. Mark Kelly is trying to portray himself as some noble hero. He's trying to portray himself as some victim when he got called out on it. He should absolutely get court martialed and held accountable for this and he can raise his congressional speech, speech or Debate clause, arguments for his defense, whatever he needs to do. But they need to make an example out of this guy. There's no chance this guy is going to be the President of the United States. He's a clown and he's really, he's really hurt his credibility by doing this far outside of the political circles. He's, he's hitting real Americans and real America. The non political people who think it's appalling that you have members of Congress calling on the military, calling on intel agencies to ignore the President of the United States.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I tend to fall on your end of this, Mike. I think that, you know, I think this was a self owned by them. I think they got way out over their skis. This was unsolicited by the way. This like came from out of nowhere, I guess. Like you could make the argument that the boat attacks.

[Grace]

I mean there's always one thing or another they could fixate on. It just stands out to me what a dangerous escalation it is. Even though I'm the squish on how hard you prosecute it with. We should not lowball how bad it was that they did this, how dangerous it is and how they are egging on a destructive thing. And one reason I am wary of prosecuting him is I'm thinking if they actually induce members of the military to try doing this, to try defying the President, you need to make sure you are in the strongest political position possible to defend against what would basically be a coup d'. Etat.

[Mike Davis]

I wrote a Fox News, I wrote a Fox News piece on this, Andrew, and I point this out. If, if the Supreme Court of the United States, the Trump administration is going to the Supreme Court of the United States on the emergency docket and they are getting the smartest lawyers and judges at the lower court level reversed by the Supreme Court with like a 91 or 92% reversal rate. If these very smart Harvard lawyers and judges at the district or the appellate court level are getting the law wrong and the Supreme Court has to fix this 92% of the time, how the hell do we expect 18 year old military enlistees to figure out what the law is? I mean, we have to, you have, if you are in the military, you have to follow the President of the United States on every order. And I can think of a time, for example, during Vietnam where there was a military officer who ordered the mass murder of the Vietnamese, burned down the villages. That's that, that would be at the military commander level where you would say I can do this, because this is clearly a war crime. This is. You're. You're kill. You're raping and killing children, women, children. You can't do this. That's. That's very clear. When you're dealing with the President of the United States, you better follow every order of the President of the United States unless you are goddamn sure it is wrong. For example, when President Trump ordered the strike on the Iranian nuclear facility, are you going to have some military officer or military enlistee saying, sorry, I can't do this strike. I'm going to expose this ongoing military operation because I don't think President Trump has the lawful authority to take out this Iranian nuclear facility. This is a very dangerous game these politicians are playing. And Mark Kelly not only should be ashamed of. He's capable of shame. He should be held accountable for this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you know what? This reminds me of Mike as well, and Blake, it kind of reminds me of what Veneman did to Trump. Right? It was. It was basically this inside out. Oh, we got this phone call, and guess what? He was abusing his power, withholding military aid for political gain, Right? And then all of a sudden, you know, Trump's. Trump's in the throes of all this chaos. It undermines the entire term in so many ways. It does. It's such a slippery slope, because if you can start alleging that the president has done something illegal when you, when he is given broad authority to command the armed forces, you could basically nitpick anything and start pulling away all authority from the executive branch to command the military. And then you, you do have the third worlding of the American military, where they would lead a military junta, where it would be a coup d'. Etat.

[Mike Davis]

Let me ask you this. Let me. These Democrats who pretend like they care about President Trump using the military, which, what they think is unlawfully. President Obama ordered an extrajudicial drone strike on two American. On several American citizens, including a minor. I fully supported that drone strike of Obama, but there is. There is doubt whether that was legal or not. You have David Barron, who's now a judge on the First Circuit Court of Appeals, who was running the Office of Legal Counsel in the Justice Department at the time. OLC is the one that decides whether executive branch actions are lawful or unlawful within the executive branch. Of course, judges ultimately decide, but it was Judge David Barron who told President Obama that he had the lawful authority to. To order a drone strike on American citizens, including a minor extrajudicial killings. Was that legal? Was that illegal? That's up for debate. But you certainly don't want these drone officers, these drone operators in the military to say, you know, I, I just can't do this. I just, I don't think that President Obama was, was being lawful here. So I can't do this. Those people would be court martialed. They would be thrown in the brig. And that's exactly what should happen to Senator Mark Kelly for pushing this very dangerous game that they're playing because they.

[Bill Federer]

Don'T like Trump into the brig.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I mean it's hard to run for president if he's. Yeah, I mean we were talking about if Trump would have to run. Well, I remember that. Listen, Mike, I tend to agree. I think there needs to be pretty stern consequences here. So I'm very sympathetic to your argument. I do think that, you know, the punishment has to fit the crime here and I think it's a pretty egregious crime. I'm open minded to an administrative solution here. I don't want to create a victim out of this guy. But you know, at the same time I just like I am in this moment having flashbacks to Vindman. I'm literally having flashbacks because this is a slippery slope. This is the third worlding of the US Military. I want to change our attention here to the news that broke yesterday that James Comey and Letitia James, that a judge had thrown out the case basically based on procedural issues with Lindsey Halligan. So saying that she was not lawfully appointed to her position that now I'll play this clip. This is AG Pambandi saying, you know, we're going to appeal this right away. 190 sure.

[Andrew Colbert]

We'll be taking all available legal action including an immediate appeal to hold Letitia James and James Comey accountable for their unlawful conduct. I'm going to keep going on this. I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not worried about someone who has been charged with a very serious crime. His alleged actions were a betrayal of public trust.

[Charlie Kirk]

And James Comey's already taken a victory lap. Maybe should pump the brakes as Caroline Levitt says. But 195 this is James Comey.

[Mike Davis]

The message has to be sent that the President of the United States cannot use the Department of Justice to target his political enemies. I don't care what your politics are. You have to see that as fundamentally un American and a threat to the rule of law that keeps all of us free. I know that Donald Trump will probably come after me again and my attitude's going to be the same. I'M innocent. I am not afraid. And I believe in an independent federal judiciary. The gift from our founders that protects us from a would be tyrant.

[Charlie Kirk]

Would be tyrant. My hair to see you shaking your head.

[Grace]

They just, they can't stop acting like they're in a movie.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's this virtue signaling holier than thou. Mike Davis it's worse.

[Mike Davis]

James Comey got charged with lying to Congress and obstruction of a congressional investigation for the very thing he's complaining about. He politicized and weaponized intel agencies and law enforcement with the Russian collusion hoax with Crossfire Hurricane to take out President Trump, his political enemy. He got caught lying about it. The prior interim U.S. attorney was a giant wimp and didn't bring charges. Same with Letitia James with her mortgage fraud. And so Lindsey Halligan went in there, found the evidence, took it to a grand jury, a Democrat controlled grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia outside of Washington, D.C. and even this Democrat grand jury found probable cause on both James Comey for lying to Congress and an obstruction of a congressional investigation and against Big Tish James, the New York attorney general who lied about having a second home in Virginia to get a better mortgage rate when it was an investment property. The grand jury returned these indictments. Then you had this Democrats, Obama chief judge of the 4th Circuit pick a Clinton judge in South Carolina to come in and to dismiss these indictments. And they dismiss these indictments on the incorrect legal grounds. They essentially argue that the courts, after 120 days, the courts instead of the president of the United States or his attorney general, get to decide who the chief law enforcement officer is, the U.S. attorney in these districts. That is an incorrect reading of the statute. It's a dangerous reading of the statute because you don't have accountability. You don't have prosecutors who are accountable to the American people through their duly elected president of the United States. You have prosecutors who are picked by Democrat judges and Democrat hell holes like the D.C. suburbs or New Jersey to protect their political allies and go after their political friends. The Supreme Court will fix this. And in the meantime, the attorney general has many different tools to bring accountability for both Big Tish and James Comey, including indictments in the Southern District of Florida.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well said, Mike Davis. More we're going to talk AI in the next segment with Mike Davis. Big moves happening on that front. First, I want to tell you about TikTok. TikTok is a place where powerful dialogues and conversations and communities can happen. Charlie believe that billions and billions of views on that platform. Lots of young people came to Appreciate this country, our freedoms, our God given freedoms on that platform. I was shocked. But I've seen it firsthand. Trust me. You, you'll see a teacher simplifying a tough lesson so it finally clicks. Or gardener sharing a trick that saved their crop. But what matters most isn't the video. It's not the original post. It what comes, it's what comes next. The conversation, the back and forth. That's what listening does. It reminds us that we're not as different as we maybe think we are. That's what makes TikTok so, so, so powerful. Our friends at TikTok support this show. Thank you to them. We'll be right back.

[Blake Neff]

Letting everyone know socialism sucks. The Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, there is a clip here. It is Thanksgiving week and I was going to do this next hour. I might do it next hour anyways. But there is a clip that Charlie always used to play about Rush Limbaugh and Thanksgiving. Oh, I don't have enough time. Never mind. It's a:33.

[Grace]

Should we just do it at the end of tomorrow?

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll do it today.

[Grace]

Tomorrow.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's so good. It's so good.

[Grace]

It is an amazing clip.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rush loved Thanksgiving. He loved the country and Charlie loved Rush and he loved the way that he would talk about it. But I do want to get to it. Hour two. We're going to be doing a whole thing on Thanksgiving. So we'll get to it then. Mike Davis, Article 3 Project. Tell us your coordinates. How do people follow you and track you and support the work you're doing? Might be muted, Mike.

[Mike Davis]

We're muted. I don't know what's happening.

[Charlie Kirk]

There you go. 20 seconds.

[Mike Davis]

Are we, are we good? Article3project.org Article number three project.org Follow us on social media. Donate what you can afford, but take action. That's the most powerful thing your audience can do is action, action, action. And thank you, guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, absolutely. We're going to be talking one of your initiatives on AI. I have a lot of questions, Mike. We welcome back national radio. In about five seconds we'll be.

[Mike Davis]

All right.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Radio stations across the country, we are joined by Mike Davis. Okay, so article three project. Mike Davis. There is a back and forth going on. I mean it first flared up during the one big beautiful bill about this moratorium on states putting any, putting forth any regulation. So at that time we brought in Stephen Miller. Stephen and Charlie had a big conversation about it ended up going viral and it was about this idea of can states like California or New York issue regulations when it comes to AI and basically was saying we don't want them to do that. We don't want the woke states, the Democrat led states to be leading the charge on this. You disagree with this position. Now lawmakers are once again trying to stuff it into the ndaa. I believe so. Mike, give us your perspective on it. I'm all ears.

[Mike Davis]

No, I don't necessarily disagree with Stephen Miller on the need for a federal standard for AI. I guess it's the tech companies are the only companies in America who think they need federal preemption. But I'm not necessarily opposed to federal preemption. They're not asking for federal preemption with federal rules of the road. They're asking for AI amnesty like they did with Section230 back in 1996 where these small tech platforms had Section230amnesty and then antitrust amnesty. And then we got Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple that crush competition, shutter small businesses and cancel conservatives and others with whom we disagree. We can't repeat the mistakes of section 230 with AI. And so I understand that we, we need to be competitive across the world and compete with China and compete with other adversaries. But we also need federal rules of the road if we're going to have federal preemption so state and local governments cannot touch AI. For example, I call this the four Cs. Are we going to have protections for children from, from online abuse? Are we going to have protections for conservatives so we don't get canceled by these AI platforms? Are we going to have protections for communities so we make sure that we don't, for example, jack up the water and electricity prices in these small communities so the working class have to foot the bill for these AI data centers that consume all this water and electricity? Are we going to have zoning protections in communities so we don't put AI data centers in the middle of neighborhoods? These big tech oligarchs, the AI bros say no, that they should have full amnesty from, from state and local and then no federal rules of the road so they can just do whatever the hell they want like they did on section230? And my response to that is hell no. Why would we let Meta, for example, and Google, for example, who hate us as conservatives, run us over and make trillions of dollars on the backs of conservatives, children, content creators and communities if you're not going to protect the four Cs? They don't have 60 votes to get this done. They thought they had 60 votes for four months ago, at the end of June, at the beginning of July, they thought this thing was going to pass and must pass legislation. And then the Article 3 project kicked into gear and it went down 99 to 1, including the lead sponsor, Ted Cruz voting against his own bill. I would, I'll tell the AI bros the same thing. If you try to do this again, will kick your butts again. And if you need, if you're going to get 60 votes, you're going to protect the four seats.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. This is a Trump Truth Social 169. He says, you know, investment in AI is helping to make the U.S. economy the hottest in the world. This is Image 169. Thanks guys. But overregulation by the states is threatening to undermine this growth. Some states are even trying to embed DEI ideology into AI models producing woke AI. Remember black George Washington? We must have one federal standard instead of a patchwork of 50 state regulatory regimes. So I, and actually, by the way, in the final line there, Mike, he says we can do this in a way that protects children and prevents censorship. So, so is the middle ground here spearheading a federal effort to make sure that we have AI, a regulatory regime at the federal level so we don't have this patchwork? It sounds like you're open minded to that.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, and I'm, and I'm working with the President and the Vice President and their teams on that right now. But they're going to protect children, conservatives, communities and creators or they're not going to get this done. It's very easy to go on conservative media and get people to light up their two home state senators and their U.S. house rep. And then all of a sudden this AI embassy that they think they're going to jam through at 4 o' clock in the morning goes down 99 to 1. So if they want to play this game again, I'll kick their asses again.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I'm convinced, I'm convinced, Mike, I think you're right. I think there's, I think there's some money involved in some of these, this push to keep getting this bill that went down in flames back into the NDA. I think you're right. I think we need to scrap it. I think we need to get it in the federal, federal level. I think that's the key here, I think, because we can't.

[Grace]

Just as he says, you know, if it's content creators, get your pound of flesh out of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, exactly. Mike Davis, Article 3 project. Thank you man, we appreciate you.

[Mike Davis]

Thank you guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll see you soon. Hour two coming up, all on the American holiday of Thanksgiving. We'll be right back.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. Let's get a check of what real Americans are talking about leading up to Thursday's big Thanksgiving holiday. RAV's David Zier is at the Bethpage Embassy Diner there on Long Island, New York. David, good afternoon. I see you've got a guest with you. Happy Thanksgiving, even though it's a couple of days early.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

Happy Thanksgiving, Terrence. And we're at the iconic Bethpage Embassy. Dining or diners are an institution here in New York area, Long island especially. And we're in Beth Page, where Grumman was and they helped win World War II with the rest F6F Hellcat and their TBF Avenger, the Cold War with the F14 Tomcat. The E2, very rich history here. Hard working people. Somebody I know, Mike Walsh, he's a Realtor here. He's also a horse owner. And you race horses, right? Great to see you. Happy Thanksgiving, too.

[Bill Federer]

Great to see you. Thanks for talking to me.

[Andrew Colbert]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

Well, I want to talk because I heard that you're conservative and your wife's a liberal. How's the Thanksgiving dinner table going?

[Bill Federer]

Well, there's fighting before appetizers and then there's more arguing after the meal and we barely make it to dessert together.

[Mike Davis]

And then everybody gives a hug when they leave though, right?

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, from a distance.

[Andrew Colbert]

Okay.

[Mike Davis]

So I have an uncle who lived in a tree in California for a couple of years. You know, very, very liberal. And another one who was very liberal who became a conservative. Is anybody coming around?

[Bill Federer]

You know, I was never into the politics until Trump won his first go around and I saw how nasty the media treated him.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

So in 2016, 2016, I watched a news conference that he did and the anchor came back and summarized everything that Trump didn't say. So from that point on.

[Mike Davis]

And you, you. So you're a realtor. I'm a commercial broker.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah, right.

[Mike Davis]

37 years. We saw better times in 2017, 2018 than pre Covid, right?

[Bill Federer]

Oh, yeah. Well, when he got into office, that was our best year ever at the time and it's been wonderful since.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah. So, okay, second term, big issue homeownership. You've got kids in their 20s and 30s. How is the market for first time homebuyers along island or is there even one?

[Bill Federer]

You have to have good jobs, good W2s good credit and it's there. We don't have a lot of inventory right now, so.

[Mike Davis]

So nobody wants to get rid of a house they have a 3% mortgage on. Right. Because they're locked in forever now.

[Bill Federer]

Right. Nobody wants to sell their home now and get another deal at 6 or 7% percent. Doesn't make sense. So they just add on their own houses. So we don't have a lot of inventory.

[Mike Davis]

Okay. Terrence, we're right outside of New York City here. The border is only about 8 miles away to Queens and we're expecting maybe a mamdani migration out of New York City to Florida and other states, but even Long Island. Have you seen any activity yet?

[Bill Federer]

We're bracing for to be busy here, but the other states south of us, they're going to be very busy. Yeah, people are going to make probably a mass exodus. Hopefully that doesn't happen. But it doesn't look promising for the city folks.

[Terrence Bates]

Yeah.

[Mike Davis]

And how are your kids views on everything? You know, are they saddled with student loan debt? What kind of things are they dealing with? And then I want to ask you, what are you grateful for on Thanksgiving?

[Bill Federer]

Well, I'm grateful for Gus at the Embassy Diner.

[Mike Davis]

Great place, a wonderful place. The atmosphere is unbelievable.

[Bill Federer]

Yes, the kids are doing fine. One of them got a house right before the rates went crazy. But everybody's healthy and happy. That's the main thing. And I'm grateful just to have my health right now.

[Mike Davis]

Yeah, Terrence, wonderful hard working middle class people of Long island make America great. And real American voices here.

[Terrence Bates]

Absolutely wish him a happy Thanksgiving for me. And we appreciate both of you guys. Great segment there. David Ziera reporting for us again from the diner there on Long Island, New York. We definitely appreciate it. By the way, folks, in case you happen to miss it, just a little while ago, President Trump pardoned not just one but two turkeys. That of course is one of the traditions that happens at the White House. In fact, let's see if we can't show you some video of that pardoning happening. You're looking at Gobble. That is one of the turkeys. The other turkey was called Wabl. Wabble was not on site, but Gobble was on site for this traditional pardoning. You can see the President laying it all out here as he pardoned the turkey and he'll leave the White House later on this evening. He and the first lady will head down to Mar a Lago where they will be spending this holiday weekend. That's going to do it. For us here on Real america's Voice and on this newsbreak, we appreciate you.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

Being here with us.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk Show. My name is Andrew Colbert, executive producer of this fine show, joined by Blake Neff. And we have two guests this hour for the whole hour. One of them is Charlie's dear, dear friend, and I haven't seen him for too long. Now, Bill Federer, author and speaker. You can find him@american minute.com and Dr. Jerry Newcomb, executive director of Providence Forum. You can find [e-mail] Gentlemen, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. So good to have you both.

[Blake Neff]

Hey, great to be with you.

[Bill Federer]

Thank you so much for the opportunity. It's wonderful.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, this is a. So I wanted to do this I think we booked this like a month ago because I saw it coming down the pike here. And I wanted to do this because Charlie's, I mean, it was like July 4th might have had it beat as far as Charlie's favorite holidays, but it was July 4th. He loved New Year's. He loved Thanksgiving, and he loved Thanksgiving because it is just such a uniquely American holiday. It is. It's providential. It tells the story of our people and of our heritage, of the spirit that is imbued in us as Americans.

[Grace]

And he liked it because it's giving thanks to God.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Grace]

Which he always wanted us to do. He always did. Whenever anything could happen in his life. Glory be to God.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And you can actually see this in a tweet that he had just after we won the election. He showed this up. 208. He posted this November 28, 2024. He said, Happy Thanksgiving from our family to yours. We are thankful for the gift of salvation, our amazing children and God's mercy on our great country this year. Take a moment today to be grateful that we did it. By God's grace alone, we took our country back. Psalm 118, verse one. So, Bill, let's start with you. I'm in Charlie's honor. I am all about evangelizing the love of this holiday and the uniqueness to the American spirit it represents. Tell us what makes Thanksgiving unique and so special.

[Blake Neff]

Well, that America is an experiment of people ruling ourselves. So one of the things I did was go back and research every single century of recorded human history to try to find out what the most common form of government is. And it's gangs and a gang leader with enough weapons we call a king or a pharaoh or a Caesar, Kaiser Sultan, Czar. And these kingdoms keep getting bigger because with the latest military advancement, kings can kill more people. So finally, the king of England had the biggest empire on planet Earth. The sun never set on the British Empire. He was a globalist, he was a one world government guy. And America's founders broke away and flipped it and made the people people, the king. Right. It's a polarity, change in the flow, power and. But we zoom in on the Pilgrims. Why? Well, they were the ones that had the Mayflower Compact, this idea of people ruling themselves. So at the time the pilgrims were founding America, you had Chinese emperors, Japanese emperors, Korean emperors, Indian maharaja, Raja means king, Maha means great Russian czars, Mongolian khans, African chieftains, kings of Spain, France and the whole world's basically kings. And here you have these little Christians starting their own community. So one overlooked thing is they got their idea from ancient Israel, that first 400 years out of Egypt before they got a king. So around 1400 BC you have the Israelites, millions of them come out of Egypt and for four centuries, no king. The total anomaly in world history that we don't appreciate. But when you study it, it worked because everybody's taught the law and everybody's personally accountable to God to follow. Worked for four centuries until the priest went, woke the Levi priest, they stopped teaching the law anymore. And you got Eli, the high priest's own sons are sleeping with women in the very tent where the Ark of the Covenant is. In this line, every man does what's right in their own eyes. Why? Because a priest stopped teaching what was right in the Lord's eyes. Turns into chaos. They ask for a king and they get King Saul. Why is this story important? The kings of Europe look to the Bible for their authority, but they look to the King Saul and after. And the pilgrims and Puritans that founded New England look to the pre King Saul part of the Bible. Both of them are looking at the Bible. One's King Saul and after and the ones before this. So that's why they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard. And so this little congregation, they were going to go to Jamestown, submit to the king's government. They get blown off course, land on the shores of Massachusetts and the captain says get off the boat. And they go, who's going to be in charge? There's no king appointed person in our little group. 102 of us, nobody's been picked by the king. They do something unique. They take their little covenant church form of government and they make it their civil government. It's called the Mayflower Compact. We in the presence of God covenant ourselves together into a civil body politic. That was the model. And then in the next decade, you have what's called the great Puritan migration. 20,000 Puritans flood into New England, and you have pastors and churches, founding cities. So Pastor Roger Williams in the First Baptist Church founds the city of Providence, Rhode Island. Reverend Thomas Hooker and the First Congregational Church founds the city of Hartford, Connecticut. This is unique on planet Earth when the whole world's ruled by kings and you got pastors and churches founding cities. And anyway, so that's why we look to the Pilgrims. And the word federal is Latin for covenant. We have a covenant form of government in America that can be traced back to these pilgrims.

[Charlie Kirk]

I Love that. And Dr. Jerry Newcombe, you know, you run the Providence Forum, and your whole mission is to bring back Judeo Christian values to the United States, make much of them. And you have a place here. You know, it's. You say an article here on your website, America's First Thanksgiving, you're talking about this first Thanksgiving that Bill just alluded to. And you say that it's an annual reminder of our nation's Christian roots and our godly heritage. I do believe this nation is providentially founded. When you look to the first Thanksgiving, you look to the story that's uniquely American. What stands out to you that you want to call attention to for the 2025, our modern Americans?

[Bill Federer]

Well, how much suffering the Pilgrims endured just for the sake of the goal to be able to worship Jesus Christ and the purity of the conscience and be left alone. When they started in England, it was a small little church. The Pilgrims were basically one particular congregation that managed to. When they began in a place in the midlands In England, about 150 miles north of London, it was all secret. It was illegal. And so eventually they decided, hey, we could be tolerated, at least in Holland. So they were able to migrate that even there, that wasn't an easy thing to do. And then eventually, about 10 years later, they were able to come to the New World. But through it all, they were suffering. And in fact, in the book called A Plymouth Plantation, which their main leader, Governor William Bradford, wrote, he said at the very beginning, it is well known unto the godly. However, since the first breaking out of the light of the gospel in our honorable nation of England, Satan hath raised, maintained and continued wars and oppositions and against the saints. And so they suffered one hindrance and persecution after another. But they went forward with their goal. And when they finally got to the New World and they wrote the Mayflower Compact that Bill Federer was talking about, which was the first beginning of what would become the American constitutional process. You know, the 150 years later, the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. constitution would flow out of the same ideas of self rule under God that were written down there right in the cabin of the Mayflower. I mean, this is amazing stuff, but they said we came, you know, for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith. And so when they finally were here, despite one hindrance and one setback after another, including the fact that half their number died that first winter when the harvest came in 1621, they set aside time to give thanks to God in all circumstances. And later on, when they would celebrate Thanksgiving because they had gone through this period of starvation where the daily ration for each person would only be about 5 kernels of corn, they would sometimes take their Thanksgiving plate, this is at later times of prosperity, and they would put five little kernels of corn on the plate and to remind them of what they had endured during that, that time of starvation where again, half their number died. But they gave thanks that he allowed them to flourish. So Thanksgiving is such a great reminder of our Christian roots. And a lot of people want to say, well, you know, okay, we can understand the settlers, like the Pilgrims and Puritans, they were Christians, but by the time you get to the Founding Fathers, they weren't. They were, you know, basically unbelievers. And that's just not true. And anybody who takes Bill Federer's book America's God and Country, and you look at these quotes from the Founding Fathers as well as the settlers, including, you know, George Washington and, you know, all the Founding Fathers, James Madison, you see, the Christian faith played a very important.

[Charlie Kirk]

Role in the thinking of all of that. Well, Dr. Newcombe, we have a great clip from Charlie basically asserting the Christian roots of our founding. And we'll might play that this hour. We'll be right back. More when we get back.

[Blake Neff]

News flash, Democrats. America has a republic, not a democracy. Fact check.

[Mike Davis]

True.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this show, joined by Blake Neff, and we have two amazing guests, Dr. Jerry Newcombe and Bill Federer, longtime friend of Charlie's and a great man, great historian. I'm reflecting right now, Blake, on things I'm thankful for, genuinely. And I actually, a couple weeks ago I thought, I'm not sure what I'm exactly going to be thankful for this year because it's been a tough year, let's be honest. But I am thankful genuinely for this show. I'm thankful for the audience out there, and I'm thankful that we get to keep doing it. You know, when, when Charlie was sort of, you know, when he's assassinated and taken from us. I'll never forget when Erica looked at us and said, you have to keep the show going. And they can't silence my husband's voice. And it's a huge, huge duty and honor that we, that we continue on here. And, you know, that wouldn't be possible without our partners. And I'll never forget when I looked at the folks over at Y Refi and they just said, we're sticking by you. We're, we're not going anywhere. We're going to keep supporting the show, keep supporting Turning Point. And so that's kind of people. They are genuinely. And I am grateful for them and I'm grateful that they, they help us keep doing what we do here. So if you find yourself in a situation where you could use them, they help you with private student loan debt that's distressed or defaulted. If you find yourself in a bad situation, backed into a corner financially, you're going to want to check out the [e-mail]. why refi.com, you can call them 888yrefi34. They will custom tailor a SOL that will help you in. If you have a budget, they're going to work within that budget. They're going to give you low interest rates. They'll even let you skip a payment every six months up to 12 times. So that's the kind of people that Yrefi are. And it's not some, you know, nameless, faceless call center. You're going to talk to Americans. They're going to work with you and find out how they can help you. So God bless them. Lane and the team, David on the team. So great people over at Y Refi. We are going to continue on honoring one of Charlie's favorite holidays, and that's Thanksgiving. We have a lot to be grateful for in spite of everything this year. And let's, let's remember to thank God in this moment. We'll be right back with national radio in two seconds. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We're joined by Dr. Jerry Newcomb and Bill Federer. Blake, you have some. Yeah, we went. By the way, gentlemen, just in case you're not aware, Blake is our resident historian on set. Whatever. So he. No, I've talked with Bill.

[Grace]

We've Talked. I would come on when Charlie would.

[Charlie Kirk]

Talk with Bill a few times. It was a lot of fun. Don't underscore, don't under, undersell.

[Grace]

We were talking before the break about the founders and you know, the myth. The founders were all, you know, proto modern atheists and such. And so I was looking at some of, you know, the early Thanksgiving stuff. So George Washington was proclaiming days of Thanksgiving in the middle of the Revolutionary War, notably after the battle at Saratoga, which was the victory that really opened the way for America to, to actually win that conflict. Multiple. And then we had, we had proclamations of Thanksgiving by the Continental Congress or the Confederation Congress during that fun period where we didn't have the Constitution yet. And then this one really stood out to me as remarkable. Basically the day after the House of Representatives voted to advance the First Amendment, the Freedom of religion amendment, the one that people used to argue there's a wall of separation between church and state and our government, you know, they declared it's a non religious country the day after they do this. Congressman Elias Budino.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

Budinot.

[Grace]

I have no idea how they're gonna pronounce that. From New Jersey, he had the House and Senate jointly call for President Washington to declare a day of thanksgiving for, quote, the many signal favors of Almighty God in his favor for our country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Bill, you know, this is a debate that goes back and forth and Charlie, I think, had the ultimate slap down video. I think we're just gonna have to play it when we get it. Bill, Was America a Christian nation? Do we have Christian roots or are we just a bunch of deists, you know, that believe in a distant God? What is the truth?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, Europe was Catholic and then the Reformation started. And then you had one denomination per country. So Northern Germany and Sweden were Lutheran. Switzerland was Calvinist. Scotland was Presbyterian. Holland was Dutch Reform. Italy, Spain, France, Officer, Poland, State, Catholic. And if you did not believe the way your king did, you were persecuted and you fled. And a lot of those people that fled spilled over and found the colonies in America. So I read through every charter of every colony. Every colony was started by a different Christian denomination. Virginia was Anglican. You had the oath of Supremacy acknowledging the king is the head of the Anglican Church. Massachusetts was Puritan. Rhode island was founded by Baptist. New York was founded by Dutch Reform. Delaware and New Jersey were originally Swedish, Lutheran and then taken over by the Dutch and then taken over by the British. Connecticut, New Hampshire were Congregationalist Christian colonies and Pennsylvania Quaker. And did I mention Maryland was founded by Catholics. Lord Baltimore but the idea in America was they didn't get along. They tar and feather each other, but then they all had to work together against the King of England. After the Revolution, their attitude changed to, we may not always agree on religion, but you were willing to fight and die for my freedom. I need to let you practice your faith. And so religion began to expand, but on a state by state basis. So in. In 1776, 98% of the country was Protestant. 3 million people, only 1% Catholic. Like 30,000 Catholics in a country.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

3 million.

[Blake Neff]

They were only allowed in Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New York. And then one tenth of a percent Jewish. Only seven synagogues in the whole country. And then I read through every state constitution, and so nine of the original 13, you had to be a Protestant. Three, you had to be a plain Christian. And then there's an Irish potato famine. Millions of Irish Catholics come to America, and they go from 1% to 20% in a decade. And then states began to expand from requiring to be Protestant to just Christian. Then there's a persecution of Jews in Bavaria. They come across and go from a tenth of a percent to 1%. In 1851, Maryland changed its state constitution to say you could hold office if you were a Christian or a Jew. And then after the Civil War, many states rewrote their constitution to say all you had to do was believe in God. But again, the First Amendment was simply to prevent the federal government from picking one Christian denomination and making it the national one, which, again, was what every country in Europe had done.

[Charlie Kirk]

Wow, that's thorough. That is very thorough.

[Blake Neff]

I wonder if.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Charlie had this great exchange. We're gonna play it in the next segment. But, Bill, did you give him all of the. Did he get that from you? Bill?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, yeah. We did an interview actually, on that topic beforehand. And then right after he recorded that, he texted it to me, and he said, how did I do?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I think he did well because that clip was seen by tens of millions of people. It really was an absolute masterclass. Dr. Jerry Newcombe, when we play it for you, we'll get your. Your review on how Charlie did. But it's one of those clips that keeps coming back around again and again and again, especially after we lost Charlie, because I think it just was the exact type of moral clarity that the world so desperately needs. And Charlie had a way of being patient, but forceful and firm and morally clear. And I think it was a really powerful moment. So we're gonna play that. We can open the next segment with it. And Dr. Jerry Newcombe, we'll get your grade A through F. You're gonna have to grade Charlie's take there. We'll be right back. More with Dr. Jerry Newcomb and Bill Federer when we get back.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The holidays in full swing at the White House as President Trump just pardoned two turkeys. You see one of them there? The ceremonial pardons are tradition for US Presidents and date back decades. This year's pardon turkeys are named Waddle and Gobble. Only Gobble was at the White House, though you see gobble there. 47, by the way, also used the stage to deliver a bit of a jab at his predecessor, Joe Biden.

[Mike Davis]

I want to make an important announcement because you remember last year, after a thorough and very rigorous investigation by Pam Bondi and all of the people at Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, the White House counsel's office and the Department of Everything, we have a Department of Everything. You know what that is? I think that's called the White House into a terrible situation caused by a man named Sleepy Joe Biden. He used an auto pen last year for the turkey's pardon. So I have the official duty to determine and I have determined that last year's turkey pardons are totally invalid, as are the pardons of about every other person that was pardoned, other than where's Hunter? No, Hunter's was good. That was the one pardon, Pam. That was good, right? The rest of them are all invalid.

[Blake Neff]

I don't know what the hell you're.

[Mike Davis]

Going to do about that, but that's. Now, we're going to take a little of the joking. That is a mess. But they're hereby null and void. The turkeys known as Peach and Blossom last year have been located and they were on their way to be processed. In other words, to be killed. But I have stopped that journey and I am officially pardoning them and they will not be served for Thanksgiving dinner. We saved them in the nick of time. This one has plenty of time. But they were saved in the nick of time.

[Terrence Bates]

Meantime, the White House Christmas tree is in place this morning. It's from Michigan's Corson Tree Farm. This year, White House Christmas decorations will reportedly be gold themed with garland and ornaments. The president and first lady are set to leave the White House later on this evening and spend Thanksgiving at Mar a Lago. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Blake Neff]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I'M also grateful for Hillsdale College because Charlie loved it so much and we're talking about.

[Grace]

I'm grateful for a lot of things.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we'll get into that. Yeah, that's. That's right. And, and we are going to do a thought crime on what we're grateful for. History, economics, the great works of literature. Did you study these things in school? Sadly, probably not. But even if you did, it's time for a refresher course. Hillsdale College is offering more than 40 free online courses, including their newest course on totalitarian novels. In this free eight lecture course, you'll learn from Hillsdale College President, Dr. Larry Arne, the great Dr. Larry Arne, as he goes in depth on four novels. 1984, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon, and that Hideous Strength. Even though these novels were written in the 1930s and 40s, they are highly relevant today as they show what tyrannical government does to human nature. More importantly, they can show us the faith. Family and friends and this country are still worth fighting for. Maybe you read these books long ago, maybe you've heard others talk about them and they feel a little intimidating. They don't have to. Hillsdale College can help you make the most of them. Go right now to charlieforhillsdale.com to enroll. There's no cost. It's easy to get started. That's charlie4hillsdale.com to register C H A R L I E.com or for hillsdale.com do it today. You won't regret it, that is for sure. Okay, gentlemen, I apologize the longer clip, but Dr. Jerry Newcombe, I'm gonna get your re reaction to this on the other side.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

It.

[Charlie Kirk]

I believe we have it, don't we? We have it, yes. Is it loaded?

[Grace]

I believe it's 214.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's try 214.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

Remember that we were a collection of states and colonies and you need to read the state constitutions before anything else. 13 out of 13 required a declaration of faith. 9 out of 13 required you to be a Protestant. Except Maryland, which was Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith. Every single one of the original state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior in the original state constitutions. Secondly, 55 out of 56 of the original signers of the declaration were Bible believing church attending Christians. You asked about common law. So common law is inherited from Blackstone, who was Christian. A common law is an outgrowth of the scriptures. So let's go to three principles of common law. Due Process and jury of your peers wrapped into the ultimate biblical principle that you shall not favor justice if you are richer or poor, which is in Leviticus 19, right before. Most famous part of Leviticus 19, which is that you should love your neighbors yourself. But before that is that in the administration of justice, you shall not favor the rich or the poor, which is the idea of blind justice. We get that in the west, which is incorporated also in the New Testament ideal. Neither slave nor Greek nor Jew, you're all one in Jesus Christ, which we have the idea of human equality. These are all biblical ideas. They're not Enlightenment ideas, which is they kind of get conflated at the time. But more importantly than that, they say that God was only mentioned four times in the Declaration of Independence. Well, that's a big deal. Okay. Laws of nature and nature's God. The last paragraph, the Declaration reads as a prayer. It says, we appeal to the supreme judge of the universe. Who's the judge of the universe? Jesus Christ, as it says in Revelation that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne.

[Charlie Kirk]

This.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

So in the Declaration, they were praying to Christ our Lord as a prayer. Very specifically. Thirdly, as I said on stage yesterday, Deuteronomy was by far the most quoted book, religious or non religious, in the time of the founding, when they were putting together Constitution more than John Locke, more than Montesquieu, more than Blackstone. So the book of Deuteronomy, which talked about laws, customs, traditions, it was Moses farewell address, as he's, you know, about to say goodbye, say hey, good luck in Canaan, guys. Here's how you should set up your form of government. But finally, and most importantly, let's look at actually what the founders said. John Adams seamlessly said the Constitution was only written for a moral and religious people. It was wholly inadequate for the people of any other. The body politic of America was so Christian and was so Protestant that our form and structure of government was built for the people that believed in Christ our Lord. One of the reasons we're living through a constitutional crisis is that we no longer have a Christian nation, but we have a Christian form of government and they're incompatible. So you cannot have liberty if you do not have a Christian population.

[Charlie Kirk]

Boom. Zing.

[Grace]

Great content.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dr. Newcomb, your reaction?

[Bill Federer]

Absolutely terrific. And he's totally right. We have this foundation of the nation that is based on biblical principles. And that quote that he alluded to from John Adams, our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other When George Washington was leaving the office, he gave us the farewell address. And he said there, of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. Well, modern Americans today are saying religion and morality have no place in the public arena. What are you talking about? It was religion and morality, specifically Christianity, that gave us the freedoms we enjoy. And those freedoms cannot be maintained for long if we undercut that Christian foundation. Now, the foundation is still there. It's attacked, and people will bring out, you know, all kinds of different ways to try and cut us off from that foundation, but the foundation is still there in a different context. John Adams once said, facts are stubborn things. This is why the history is so important. This is [e-mail] for example, we do so much to try and create these videos and programs like you do, too, at Turning Point with Bill Federer, in order to educate people about our Christian roots. And, you know, the fact of the matter is human beings are sinful. And that is a very important doctrine that the Founding Fathers fully understood. You read the Constitution and you see the separation of power. They did not want to give too much power to too many people. You read the Declaration of Independence and you see the consent of the governed. And this is because we have our rights from God. So the fact that human beings are made in the image of God, that's enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, and the fact that human beings are fallen and sinful, that's enshrined in the Constitution, and these have governed us very, very well. When you look at countries like the communist countries, for example, in the 20th century and 21st century even, you see how they begin with this atheistic foundation. There is no God. And when there is no God and the belief of that, then there are no rights. So even some liberal type founders of America, for example, Thomas Jefferson, he wasn't as unchristian as he sometimes made out to be. He was not a lifelong skeptic. In fact, the year after he wrote the Declaration of Independence, he helped found as a layman, the Calvinistical Reformed Church of Charlottesville. And he even wrote up the agreement for the subscription for this. And they called an evangelical minister, the Reverend Charles Clay, for this church, and they said, we're desirous of gospel knowledge. But even Jefferson later, when he has some doubts and so forth about some of the doctrines, he still said that, you know, our rights come from God. And if we ever forget that, I tremble for my country because how can we maintain our Freedoms, if we ever lose sight of God. And the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st century, many nations have been soaked in blood because they began with the premise that there is no God, there's no higher authority than the state. The state is God. So good luck with that. So Mao has slain his millions and tens of millions, and Stalin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, well said. Well said. The soaked in bloodline, really, it hits and we have to be on guard about that.

[Grace]

And speaking of that, I think it's worth remembering that, you know, we've talked about the first Thanksgiving, we talked about the founding era Thanksgivings. But the annual, you know, Thanksgiving, as we observe it, was born in the middle of the American Civil War, proclaimed by Lincoln, 1863. That's not the end of the Civil War, that's the peak of the war.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's right.

[Grace]

Tens of thousands of people are dying every month. This is just a few months after Gettysburg, the bloodiest battle in American history. And that is when Lincoln issues his proclamation that we should have a national day of Thanksgiving. And I think there's a lot of meaning in that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, especially this year, given what we've been through. Bill, on that note of what Blake's talking about, how did we get from Jamestown to 1863? What, what, what was the American experience with Thanksgiving in between that time?

[Bill Federer]

Right.

[Blake Neff]

Well, now I do want to mention I have a book, and it's called the Treacherous world of the 16th century and how the Pilgrims Escaped It. So it gets the. The whole setting, what was going on in Europe, what were the Muslims were doing? People forget that they were surrounding Vienna, Austria twice, and they had pirates capturing, and they had the whole Catholic orders in Europe called the Trinitarians, and they would ransom back people from Muslim slavery. Matter of fact, one of the Pilgrim ships was captured by Muslim pirates in 1625. William Bradford said they saved up 800 pounds of beaver skins, sent it back to England, but it was captured in the English Channel by a Turkish man of war, carried off to solemn Morocco, and the crew was made slaves. So even the Pilgrims had to deal with that. One other thing before we get off the Pilgrims is they tried communism, Right. So they had no money. They borrowed money from a London company that set up bylaws that said everything would be held in common. Everything got by cooking, trucking, fishing shall go into ye common stock and everyone's livelihood shall come out of ye common stock. And William Bradford said they tried it and almost starved to death. He says that the young man objected to doing twice as much work as the old guy, but got paid the same. The women up to objected to having to wash other men's clothes. And William Bradford said, after much discussion, it was decided that each man should plant corn for his own household. This made all hands more industrious. The women now went willingly into the field and took their little ones with them to plant corn, while before they would allege weakness and to enforce them would have been great oppression. So here the Pilgrims tried everything owned in common and it didn't work. One other thing that's overlooked is there were twice as many Indians at the first Thanksgiving than Pilgrims. There was like 90 Indians and only 52 pilgrims. And get this, only four adult women cooking for 142 people because all the rest of them had died in the winter. And then one other quick thing is Squanto, who had been kidnapped by some unscrupulous people and taken and sold as a slave in Malaga, Spain, he was purchased by some friars. Given his freedom, he hitchhikes his way back to England, works for the Newfoundland company that drop him off on the shores of America, only to find out that his entire tribe was wiped out in a plague. And William Bradford says three years earlier, a French ship was shipped right there and evidently one of the sailors that got ashore had an illness and wiped out the tribe. But had Swanto not been kidnapped, he most likely would have been killed as well. But here the Pilgrims land and half of them die the first winter. But the next spring, out of the woods walks this Indian, Squanto, and you can just imagine the conversation. Oh, you guys from England? Yeah, I used to live there and then this place. I grew up here. And so Squanto was their interpreter, showed him how to catch beaver and plant corn and was a special instrument sent of God for their good, beyond their expectation. What William Bradford said. And one last thing, when Squanto was dying, he says that a couple years later they were exploring and they got caught in the freezing rain. And Squanto fell ill of Indian fever, bleeding much in the nose. And he begged Governor Bradford to pray for him, that he might go to the Englishman's God in heaven. Right? So Squanto became a Christian. I'm confident anyway, so we looked at the Pilgrims because they had self government, which inspired New England and then eventually turned into our constitution. Fast forward.

[Charlie Kirk]

Bill, I'm going to have to pause you because we're about to take a radio break. We're going to go through the break just because I want to maximize our time here. But we gotta. We Gotta do these pesky, you know, radio breaks for our national audience. So I want to make sure we say goodbye to them just for a brief moment before we come back. But you guys are giving us some great stuff here. Bill's gonna explain the connection between the First Thanksgiving in 1863, the Declaration of the first Thanksgiving by Lincoln. We'll be right back. All right, Got an email here from Kevin. This is really good. Blake, you want to read this one?

[Grace]

Or let me see. Yes, I got it. So he says, Charlie was right. We should all strive to keep Thanksgiving going strong. It's an American holiday. It is a Christian holiday. It's hard to make gratitude marketable, which is why other holidays get more attention for their commercial opportunities. God bless the Kirk family. Thank you very much, Kevin.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, Kevin. Well said, Kevin. I love that. It's so true. I mean, the other.

[Grace]

They're dying for Thanksgiving to end so they can, like, slam the door and say, and now it's Christmas shopping season. Go out for Black Friday.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is what upsets me about celebrating Christmas in, like, after Halloween, because you're just short changing Christmas.

[Grace]

The most changing Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving is. It is related to Christmas, but it is not Christmas. It is a separate holiday.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Grace]

And we shouldn't just fold it in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I agree. I completely agree. Bill, connect the dots here. We got to go kind of quick here. Between the first Thanksgiving and 1863 and that declaration by President Lincoln. Bill.

[Blake Neff]

Right. So they had an attitude when things were bad, you would have days of prayer. And when things got real bad, they had days of fasting and prayer, and when things turned around, they had days of Thanksgiving, and they were on an as needed basis. And so, as Blake mentioned, you had days of fasting during the Revolutionary War, and then days of Thanksgiving. You had threatened war with France. And John Adams has two days of fasting and prayer, and then days of thanksgiving when the British burned the White House. James Madison had a day of fasting and prayer and then a day of thanksgiving. During a cholera epidemic in 1849, when 150,000Americans died of cholera, you had. Zachary Taylor had a day of fasting, and then Lincoln had two days of fasting and prayer during the Revolution. And then he made, as Blake mentioned, the day of Thanksgiving an annual event, but it was a relationship with God. Now, from Lincoln till now, it was. It's an annual event. And matter of fact, it's the last Thursday in September, in November, FDR wanted to move it one week earlier so there'd be an extra week of Shopping before Christmas. And that became a campaign issue that the Republicans like, we're going to move Thanksgiving back to the original date. But. But it's always been biblical. It's always been thanking a monotheistic God. So you're leaving out Buddhism and Hinduism. And it's also that you have the freedom. Like Jefferson had a day of Thanksgiving that the Continental Congress asked everybody to, all the states to observe. And he's governor of Virginia, so he has Virginia observe a day of Thanksgiving, but it was voluntary, so they didn't want to have it be forced, but they wanted to be voluntary. And so voluntary worship of God is clearly Christian. It's not in Islam. And so they're referring to a God of the Bible. And of course, many of them have proclamations and scriptures in there as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's great. Really, really well said, Bill. And I love what you were talking about. Those presidents that were between Washington and Lincoln and how they had days of fasting and days of prayer and days of thanksgiving. I mean, how amazing would that be if the President of the United States called on a day of fasting and prayer? I mean, that would just be a complete paradigm shift from our current moment. And I'm sure it would be incredibly controversial and all of that. But we should. We absolutely should, because America is unique among the nations. We are a providential nation that was founded on Christian belief in God. And I think our origin story really demonstrates that when we welcome back national radio. In just a few seconds, gentlemen, I'm going to play one other clip that was one of Charlie's absolute favorites. And it's Rush reflecting on the pilgrims who established this nation and that settled it originally. And it was one of Charlie's favorites. Again, we are in full Thanksgiving evangelization mode here.

[Grace]

We believe in times of hardship most of all.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Amen. And this year, it's uniquely important that we do it. It's uniquely important that we do it. So we'll be right back with national radio in just one second.

[Blake Neff]

The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, welcome back to our national radio audience. I'm gonna play this clip, one of Charlie's favorites. 194.

[Mike Davis]

They knew that they were going to face hardship, hardship like you and I don't know. But paramount importance to them was living freely and worshiping God according to the dictates of their own consciences, their own beliefs. That's what they were denied the freedom.

[Blake Neff]

To do in England.

[Mike Davis]

And because of the biblical precedent set forth in Scripture, they Never doubted because of their faith in God that their experiment would work. They never doubted they would get to the New World. They never doubted that once they got there, they would thrive. During that first winter, remember, they arrive in November. During that first winter, half of them, including William Bradford's own wife, died. Spring finally came. They did meet the Indians, the Native.

[Blake Neff]

Americans who were there, who did help them.

[Mike Davis]

You know, Thanksgiving is actually explained in some textbooks as a holiday for which the Pilgrims gave thanks to the Indians for saving their lives. It wasn't that that happened, but Thanksgiving was a devout expression of gratitude.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

The.

[Mike Davis]

Pilgrims to God for their survival.

[Dr. Jerry Newcombe]

And.

[Mike Davis]

Everything that was a part of it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dr. Jerry Newcombe, final thoughts to you as we wrap up the hour.

[Bill Federer]

Well, the Pilgrims were a small group of Christian who were basically Christians that were outcasts in their own society. And all they wanted to do was worship Jesus and the purity of the conscience. And as Dr. D. James Kennedy once noted, but America began as a church relocation project in the sense that the Pilgrims were the ones he's talking about. They went from this place north of London, about 150 miles, then they made it to Holland, where they could at least be tolerated. And then eventually they made it to the New World. So in that sense, in the sense that the Pilgrims cast a long and positive shadow in what would become the United States of America. That's a fantastic observation. They began that whole process of self rule under God that we've talked about with the Mayflower Compact. They had a form of socialism imposed on them by the people who made the loans so that they even had the voyage. And they, they got rid of that and instead gave free enterprise and they flourished as they made God the center of their whole settlement. And just one last observation in a film I made about this, about the Pilgrims. And Charlie, by the way, commended one of the films I made, you know, in this whole series called the foundation of American Liberty Series. And Bill Federer is a major, major guest. Anyway, so I interviewed the direct descendant of the de facto pastor of the Pilgrims. His name was William Brewster. And so I interviewed this descendant and, and he said, suppose after things got real stable in Plymouth and they were starting to thrive and flourish, you know, under God, Suppose one of their children said, do I have to go to church? He said, one of those parents could easily say to that child, what do you mean, do you have to go to church? You have no idea how much we sacrifice so that you can go to church. America was begun by people who wanted to worship Jesus and the purity of the conscience, then that freedom was extended to everybody else. And now, at least in some quarters, they're trying to say, no, Christians are not allowed to have that kind of freedom. That's crazy. There's a reason we're called. Even to this day, our national motto is In God we Trust.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well said. And Bill, I just want to commend you as well. Thank you both for coming. You are a wealth of knowledge. American Minute I want to make sure I got it right here. Americanminute.com I just so encouraged everybody to sign up for your newsletter. The work you do there is tremendous. DrJerry Newcomb.org I got it right. Final 30 seconds to you, Bill. How can people follow you and get involved with your history lessons?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, matter of fact, turningpointed.com if you go to resources and scroll down, you see how we got here. And so I do a weekly video for Turningp Turning Point. Ed Charlie had he Rob McCoy and Mikey, we went to dinner together. He's like, I want you to be a big part of this. And so I write it's about seven minutes long and anybody can sign up for it, particularly homeschoolers and Christian schools and classic schools. But it's turningpointed.com look at resources and how we got here.

[Charlie Kirk]

I love that. Thank you, Bill. Bill Federer, author and Speaker, American Minute.com Dr. Jerry Newcombe, Executive director of Providence Forum, Providence thank you, gentlemen, and happy Thanksgiving to you both.

[Bill Federer]

Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

We'll see you guys tomorrow.

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