The Charlie Kirk Show, November 27th, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – Thanksgiving Special with Bill Federer

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Charlie Kirk
Guest: Bill Federer
Date: November 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Thanksgiving-themed episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives into the history, meaning, and modern significance of Thanksgiving. Charlie Kirk is joined by historian and Turning Point Academy collaborator Bill Federer, who shares a deeply researched, storytelling approach to the Pilgrim story, the founding of America, gratitude, and how these themes relate to contemporary issues like American freedom, religious liberty, and the ongoing culture war. The episode is also packed with lighthearted discussions on Thanksgiving traditions, food debates, and some nostalgic riffing on what it means to "earn" your Thanksgiving in modern America.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Real Story and Origins of Thanksgiving

• The Rebellion Against Globalism:

  • Bill Federer frames the Pilgrims’ journey as a rejection of top-down rule from the "globalist" King of England, drawing inspiration from ancient Israel and the Reformation (04:21).
  • Quote:
    “America’s founders wanted to break away from this globalist, one world government king. And so they flipped it and made the people the king... you get to be the king of your life and all of us together are the king of the country.” — Bill Federer (05:40)

• From Hierarchy to Covenant:

  • The unique element of the “Mayflower Compact,” whereby a church group created a civil body politic, setting the model for later American self-government (17:20).
  • Quote:
    “This is the birth of America. A church group forming itself into a political group.” — Bill Federer (18:11)

• The Pilgrim Saga:

  • Intense detail on the Pilgrims’ hardships: persecution under King James, flight to Holland, difficult passage, and arrival far north of their intended destination, Jamestown (06:54–13:07).
  • Emphasis on their faith and will to self-govern in an unknown new environment.

2. Thanksgiving, Faith, and the Power of Gratitude

• Religious Liberty as a Foundation:

  • Historical persecution for religious independence (“clergy-laity vs. congregational model”), and how the Pilgrim way set a precedent for individual involvement and self-rule (06:54–10:00).
  • Quote:
    “Any muscle to grow has to be exercised. You have to get involved.” — Bill Federer (09:00)

• Thankfulness as Moral Necessity:

  • The importance of deliberate gratitude, both historically and today (37:13).
  • Quote:
    “When you are thankful... the good Lord will bless you even more if you’re thankful for what He’s given you.” — Bill Federer (39:07)

• Providence and Trials:

  • The story of Squanto as a divinely orchestrated means of survival; linking suffering with later purpose, as in the story of Joseph (35:47).
  • Quote:
    “Sometimes the pains you go through in your life, the good Lord can use those to later have you minister to somebody else...” — Bill Federer (35:47)

• Tradition of National Thanksgiving:

  • From colonial days through President Lincoln, Thanksgiving is deeply rooted in explicit gratitude to God, and in national “days of prayer, fasting, and thanksgiving” (37:13–39:22).

3. Real Lessons from the First Thanksgiving

• Squanto’s Story:

  • Squanto’s remarkable journey from capture and slavery in Spain, his time in England, return to New England to find his tribe dead, and his crucial role in helping the Pilgrims survive (30:35–35:31).

• The Role of Private Property:

  • The initial experiment in communal labor and property—mandated by English investors—failed and led to near-starvation.
  • The decision to assign individual plots led directly to abundance and celebration (19:42–22:55).
  • Quote:
    “They tried owning everything in common—almost starved to death. They scrap it. Give your own plot of land. They began abundant harvest.” — Bill Federer (22:04)

• Harmony and Peace:

  • The three-day feast, more Indians than Pilgrims, peace between settlers and natives, and the 50-year peace treaty are highlighted as foundational moments (31:35–35:31).

4. Applying Thanksgiving Lessons to Modern America

• Crisis as an Opportunity:

  • Crises awaken people to take action; the current atmosphere is likened to biblical stories where God raises up unlikely heroes (46:06).
  • School and culture wars are discussed, framing parental involvement as key to winning future generations.

• Defending Freedom and Conscience:

  • Kirk and Federer emphasize the American experiment as one which disables authoritarian or "globalist" dominance and puts citizens in control.
  • The voluntary nature of faith and liberty is stressed (48:20).

• Ties to Current Turning Point Academy Projects:

  • Ongoing work to create educational alternatives (homeschools, church hybrid schools); guests invite listeners to become involved (03:36; 27:40; throughout).

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• Thanksgiving’s Civic Importance:
  “...every single citizen was taught the law, and they were personally accountable to God to follow the law. That’s what made it work.” — Bill Federer (04:50)

• On "Socialism" and Property:
  “The failure of that experiment of communal service, which was tried for several years by good and honest men, proves the emptiness of the theory of Plato and other ancients...” — Bill Federer, quoting William Bradford (19:42)

• Voluntary vs. Involuntary Charity:
  “You get the goods from the state and you don’t own anything. So if you don’t own anything, how can you be charitable? How can you give away what you don’t have?” — Bill Federer (28:37)

• What Gives Hope:
  “It is a crisis that causes people to wake up... It’s in times of crises that people turn to Christ. But it’s also in times of crisis that leaders are raised up.” — Bill Federer (46:06)

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Lighthearted Panel: Thanksgiving Food and Traditions

• Panel Segment: (56:33–77:01)

  • Charlie, Jack, Blake, and Tyler debate Thanksgiving food “rules”: Turkey is mandatory, ham optional, steak is frowned upon unless supplementary. Cranberry sauce should come straight from the can—“vertically with no adjustments.”
  • Stuffing vs. dressing, texture (“moist but not too much”), and the necessity (or heresy) of green bean casserole and sweet potatoes, with strong feelings on marshmallows.
  • The sacredness of pumpkin pie, with pecan pie as a close second.
  • Timing of the meal (3:30–4:00 PM suggested as ideal), and whether football is essential viewing or a distraction from the meal.
  • Reference to thankful traditions, the story of Rush Limbaugh retelling “the real Thanksgiving,” and why the story matters.

• Quote: “Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do, it’s about what your ancestors did.” — Charlie Kirk (74:20)

• On Pumpkin Pie:
  “It is like 100% required. The first commandment of Thanksgiving is thou shalt have pumpkin pie. With whipped cream.” — Charlie Kirk (77:21)

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Reflections on Changing Traditions, Technology, and "Earning" Thanksgiving

• On Black Friday and Lost Rites of Passage:

  • Discussion of how Black Friday used to be about grit, adventure, and "earning" deals (92:02–94:02).
    • “It used to be you’d get home at 3:30 in the morning, you’re like, I got a good deal on a screen TV. It was a teenage rite of passage in suburban Chicago.” — Charlie Kirk (94:02)

• Tech Nostalgia:

  • Calling friends’ home phones, the role of AOL Instant Messenger, memorizing phone numbers, and learning “adult” communication through small social rites (105:34–109:41).

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Thanksgiving’s Deep Origin (History & Theology): 04:14–13:07
• Mayflower Compact & American Self-Governance: 17:20–22:03
• Experiment in Socialism/Private Property: 19:35–22:55
• Squanto’s Story: 30:35–35:31
• Modern Lessons/Providence/Gratitude: 35:31–39:22
• Cultural Food Debate Panel: 56:33–77:01
• Black Friday and Lost Traditions: 92:02–97:24
• Rites of Passage & Tech Nostalgia: 105:34–109:41

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Tone and Takeaway

The tone oscillates between passionate historical storytelling, earnest moral exhortation, and playful banter. The episode mixes serious reminders of America’s origins in religious liberty, gratitude, and self-governance, with fun yet opinionated takes on how families “should” do Thanksgiving. At its core, listeners are encouraged to be thankful, to cherish American traditions, and to become active in protecting both faith and freedom, especially through education and deliberate gratitude.

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For New Listeners

Whether you’re new to The Charlie Kirk Show or seeking a refresher on America’s deeper traditions, this episode provides an accessible, anecdote-rich narrative on the founding moments of Thanksgiving—connecting them directly to current questions of citizenship, culture, education, and what it means to be grateful, both as individuals and as a people.

Transcript

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Buckle up. Here we go. Hello, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving. Honored to be with all of you. We have a very special guest for you today, a friend of mine, a very smart man, and also part of our team at Turning Point Academy. And I think you will all really enjoy learning about. You guys can start a church hybrid school, a pod school. Get involved with all of our amazing training, our resources, our education summit@ turningpointacademy.com that's turningpointacademy.com and Bill Federer joins us right now. Who's part of our effort there? Bill, Happy Thanksgiving.

[Bill Federer]

Hey, Charlie. Great to be with you.

[Charlie Kirk]

So, Bill, tell us, why do we celebrate Thanksgiving? What is the story of Thanksgiving?

[Bill Federer]

Well, a little background. So the king of England was a globalist. He was a one world government guy. With him at the top, the British Empire controlled India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, British Guyana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaica and America. And so America's founders wanted to break away from this globalist one world government king. And so they flipped it and made the people the king. And so where did they get this idea that you could rule yourself without a king? Well, it came from the Pilgrims and then it came from the Calvinist Puritans. That came from the Reformation. And then they got their ideas from ancient Israel that first 400 years out of Egypt. It's called the Hebrew Republic. And it's the first instance in recorded history of a nation with millions of people and no king. And it's around 1400 BC up to about 1000 BC. And it worked because every single citizen was taught the law and they were personally accountable to God to follow the law. So this period of history is called the Hebrew Republic. And these Calvinist Puritan scholars studied this so intently that they were nicknamed Christian Hebraists. So in 1517, Martin Luther starts the Reformation. And for about a century before the age of Enlightenment, you have these scholars in Europe studying not just the Bible in their own language, but this particular first 400 year period, this Hebrew Republic, and that's why they taught Hebrew at Yale and Harvard. They were amazed at coming up with a form of government without a king. And again, it's based on this idea that you teach everybody the law and then everybody walks around aware that they're accountable to a God who's watching them, wants them to be fair and is going to hold them accountable in the future. We don't appreciate what makes America great is in a sense, you get to be the king of your life and all of us together are the king of the country. It's a bottom up, individual empowered country that is totally opposite of the kings of England and the kings of Europe. And anyway, so that's why one of the reasons we celebrate Thanksgiving is the birth of a country where the people get to be in charge of their lives.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can you talk about how important it is to give thanks and then go through the actual, the actual story of Thanksgiving with Squanto And I forget some of the details, but tell us about that.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, this is really fascinating. So the Pilgrims were a church group. And so the King of England, Henry viii, breaks away from Rome and his advisors tell him if he's serious about it, he needs to stop using the Latin Bible, get himself an English Bible. The German princes of Martin Luther's German Bible, that helped them to break away. Well, Henry VIII says, great, get me one. Well, it just so happens a few years earlier, Henry VIII had William Tyndale burnt at the stake for translating the Bible into English. And William Tyndale's last words were, lord, open the King of England's eyes. And now it's a couple years later, the King wants to divorce his wife, Catherine of Aragon, because she didn't have a son after 18 years. And Mary Anne Boleyn. The Pope won't recognize the divorce. Henry breaks from. The Pope, gets this English Bible, spreads it around the country, dusts his hands and says, that's it, we've broken from Rome. But something unexpected happened. People began to read it, began to compare what's in this Bible to this king divorcing and beheading his wives. So a group starts that wants to purify the Church of England and they are nicknamed the Puritans. The King doesn't like them. But then there's another group that said it's beyond hope of purifying. We're going to separate ourselves. They go by different names, Baptists, Congregationalists, eventually the Quakers. But this one group we call the Pilgrims. And so they were a church group that had a congregational church model, which is different than the hierarchical clergy laity model. And so for most of history, you had the clergy do the ministry, and the laity was lazy and watched. And the congregational model is everybody's involved. The pastor helps everyone to have their relationship with God through Jesus and then coaches them to become mature Christians and then plug into the body and do something, because any muscle to grow has to be exercised. You have to get involved. And so the king didn't like this congregational model. And so King James said, I will make them conform or I will harry them out of the land. And so, so the King of England passed the act of Uniformity of Common Prayer. You do not make up prayers because you could make up one that's wrong. And so the government wrote all the possible prayers they could think of down in a book called the Book of Common Prayer. And when you wanted to pray, you just opened it to the right page and you would read the prayer. And if you're caught having a little group at your house and you're making up your own prayers, or the government, like the FBI, will kick in the door and they will arrest you, and they'll drag you off to some government hearing room. It's called the Star Chamber because it had stars on the ceiling. Sort of a January 6th type hearing room. And they would interrogate you, and they would make you confess to stuff you didn't do, and they'd make you try to snitch on your other praying friends. And then they would brand you on the face as a heretic and even cut off your ear. And then they would stick you in a cell and let you rot away in there for days, weeks, months, years. Could you imagine the government doing this to their own citizens? And one person that was caught was named John Bunyan, and he was having a Bible study. He had not gotten approval of the government. He spent 12 years wasting away in prison. And that's when he wrote Pilgrim's Progress, this famous novel. And anyway, so these pilgrims decide to flee. They flee to Holland. Holland was seven provinces breaking away from Spain. It took them 80 years to break away from Spain. And they did not believe exactly the same thing religiously, but they hated Spain so much, they were willing to work together. And so Holland had a little give and take with religion and also with morals. They had a little more immorality, but nevertheless, it was the most tolerant place in Europe was Holland. And so the pilgrims go there, and when Spain threatens to attack, they decide to flee. Originally, they were going to go to Guyana, South America. They heard of the perpetual spring, but then they heard it was too close to the Spanish Maine. That's the Caribbean era. People forget the first European settlement in North America is, was the French Protestants. They were called Huguenots. And they settled around Jacksonville, Florida in 1565. And Spain found out about it and butchered them. And so the Pilgrims didn't want to go anywhere near where Spain was. And so they decided to settle in Jamestown, which was started 14 years earlier. It was a King Run colony, but they figured they were 3,000 miles away and they could do their little pilgrim thing and not be noticed. And so they set sail and they get caught in a storm. The boat leaks, they got to re caulk it. They set sail again, it leaks again. They gotta swap it out for the littler Mayflower. They're in freezing North Atlantic. They've ate through a bunch of their food. The main beam cracks. It's a 3,000 mile journey. 66 days they're confined to a between deck, a little four foot high space. One dies, another baby's born. I mean, they make it to the New world and they're 500 miles away from Jamestown. And the captain, Christopher Jones tries to sail south. But off the coast of Cape Cod. It's really shallow if you've ever been there. It's one of those beaches where you could walk, you know, 200 yards out and it only comes up to your waist. I mean, and plus it's really cold. But these ships would get stuck on the sand like a half mile out. And in a storm, the waves would beat the ship. And 3,000 ships have sunk off the coast of Cape Cod. But the pilgrims almost sink. 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[Bill Federer]

No, well, so these pilgrims are coming across and they land at Plymouth Rock and the captain of the boat says everyone off. And they say, well, who's going to be in charge? We were going to go to Jamestown and it's a king run colony and we were going to submit to the king's government. But there's no government here. We can't be lawless. Who's going to be in charge? They do something unique. They give themselves the authority to start a government. It's called the Mayflower Compact. Word compact means covenant. And it says we in the presence of God, covenant ourselves into a civil body politic. So this is a church group forming itself into a civil body politic. Again, a church group forming itself into a political group. This is the birth of America. A church group forming itself.

[Charlie Kirk]

And they wrote that while they were still at sea, if I'm not mistaken. Right. They weren't sure of their fate. I mean they were blown off course. And basically this was a promissory note if they hit the shore, is that right?

[Bill Federer]

Right. And so, but this was unique. Where did they get this idea? From their pastor, John Robinson, who was not an Anglican king appointed pastor. He was one of these congregational pastors. He was one of these Calvinist puritans that looked back to this ancient Israel, that first 400 years out of Egypt period before King Saul. And so they form themselves into a civil body politic. And it goes on to enact just and equal laws. It shall be thought most meet unto which we promise all due submission. Simple, revolutionary. It was a polarity change in the flow of power on planet Earth instead of top down ruled by kings and sultans and czars. It's ruled bottom up by. By we, just. Just us in this little boat. We're going to decide. And it's the difference between a dead pyramid ruled top down and a living tree where every root and every tiny capillary root sucks in nutrients to keep the tree alive. Every citizen is involved in church and every citizen is involved in the community. And so this becomes the model for the other New England colonies and eventually the US Constitution. And.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so then, talk about. Just for a second here, Bill, they tried socialism, didn't they? And it didn't go well.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, this is interesting. So the Pilgrims didn't have money, and so they approached investors in England who formed the London Company. And the company had bylaws, and they weren't really thrilled with this, and they were sort of at the very last minute already on the boat, and they come with these papers and you say you got a shot, so they signed it. But these bylaws specify that everything would be owned in common. Everything gained by cooking, hunting, fishing, trading, you know, shall go into ye common stock. And everyone's already have their meat, drinking, apparel, and all provision out of ye common stock, right? So everybody works, goes into this pot, and then everybody gets paid out of it. They tried it and they almost starved to death. William Bradford, the governor of the Pilgrims, writes, the failure of that experiment of communal service, which was tried for several years by good and honest men, proves the emptiness of the theory of Plato and other ancients applauded by some of latter times that the taking away of private property and possession of it in community would make the state happy and flourishing as if they were wiser than God. For in this instance, community of property was found to breed much confusion and discontent, retard much employment for the young men who were most able and fit for service, objected to being forced to spend their time and strength in working for other men's wives and children without any recompense. The stronger man or the resourceful man had no more share of food, clothes, etc. Than the weak man who was not able to do a quarter with the other good. This was thought injustice. The aged and graver men who were ranked and equalized in labor, food, clothes, etc. With the humbler and younger ones thought it some indignity and disrespect. And then I thought this was interesting. He says, as for men's wives who are obliged to do service for other men, such as cooking, washing their clothes, etc. They considered it a kind of slavery. And many husbands would not brook it or allow it. And William Bradford goes on, let's let none argue that this is due to human failing rather than through this communistic plan of life in itself. He says, I answer that God had another plan of life fitter for them. And so they began to consider how to raise more corn. After much debate, it was decided each man would plant corn for his own household. What a novel idea.

[Charlie Kirk]

Incredible.

[Bill Federer]

And it says every family was assigned a parcel of land. This was very successful. It made hands more industrious. The women now went willingly into the field, took their little ones with them to plant corn, while before they would allege weakness and to have compelled them would have been thought great oppression. So here are these really religious people. I mean, they're as good as you can get. They tried owning everything in common. Almost starved to death. They scrap it. Give your own plot of land. They began abundant harvest. And that's when we celebrate Thanksgiving.

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[Bill Federer]

News flash Democrats America is a republic, not a democracy.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Email me directly freedom charliekirk.com, happy Thanksgiving. Email me what you are thankful for today. Freedomarliekirk.com and this entire conversation is really kind of brought to you by Turning Point Academy. I want to encourage all of you if you want to homeschool, start a church hybrid school. Get involved in our Educators Summit. You guys can check it out. It is a movement to reclaim, revive and restore education. Virtuous education focused on truth, goodness and beauty in the classical tradition. TurningPoint [e-mail] and we have a beautiful Educators Summit coming up. The team at Turning Point Academy is doing a wonderful job. Dennis Prager, Eric Metaxas and many others will be there. Looking forward to it. Email me freedom charliekirk.com Bill Federer is with us who's part of our team at Turning Point Academy. If you're blown away by him, you'll be blown away by the work we're doing there. Bill, sorry again, tough break there. Continue on what you were saying and tell us about Squanto.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, so the Pilgrims switched from from company to covenant, the company bylaws that says, okay, here's this system. We're going to take it away from you and we're going to distribute it to look, you get your own plot of land, you grow, you become prosperous, and then you voluntarily take care of your neighbor because you're doing it as unto God. And so you have the pilgrim pastor was John Robinson. He says, we are knit together as a body in covenant of the Lord, and we so hold ourselves tied to all to care for each other's good. Margaret Thatcher, she writes, you founding fathers look after one another not only as a matter of necessity, but as a matter of duty to their God. And then the founder of the Puritan Massachusetts, John Winthrop, gives his famous speech in 1630 this love among Christians is a real thing, not imaginary, as absolutely necessary to the being of the body of Christ. We are accompanied, professing ourselves, fellow members of Christ, we ought to account Ourselves knit together by this bond of love. We must make one another's condition our own. Rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together. We shall find that the God of Israel is among us. You know, people say, well, wasn't the early church socialist? No, the early church was the early church. Socialism is counterfeit. Early church and the differences between the word voluntary and involuntary. Right? So you're blessed with goods, and then you voluntarily take care of your neighbor because you're doing as unto God. Socialism, there is no God. You get the goods from the state and you don't own anything. So if you don't own anything, how can you be charitable? How can you give away what you don't have? No. God entrusts you with stuff and then gives you opportunities to give them away anyway. So that's an important aspect that we look back to the pilgrims. But one of the stories that we have to include is Squanto. And if I have a few minutes, I'd be happy to share that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Continue.

[Bill Federer]

So the pilgrims were religious, but there were other groups that weren't, and they were pirates. So Spain had a monopoly on the New World for at least a century. And they had gold from Inca Peru and from Portobello, Panama, and they'd take it to Cuba and ship it. And these Dutch and French and English pirates would raid the gold. But they would also sail up the coast of North America, lure unsuspecting Indians on board, lock them below deck, take them over to Malaga, Spain, and sell them into slavery. So one of the Indians that was captured was Squanto. And the story is he was purchased by some monks in Spain who gave him his freedom. He hitchhiked his way across Europe, gets to England. He's there for a dozen years, working, learning the language, and he finally finds some business that takes him to Newfoundland, right? A fishing type outfit. And then he gets the boat to drop him off at Plymouth, Massachusetts, only to find his whole tribe is dead.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right?

[Bill Federer]

They were wiped out by a plague. William Bradford writes that three years earlier, a French ship was shipwrecked off the case. The coast of Cape Cod. Sailors got ashore, Indians never left. Watching them and dogging them till they got the advantage. Killed them all but three or four made sport with them worse than slaves. Anyway, one of those Frenchmen must have had an illness and the Indians didn't have immunity, and it wipes out the tribe. So sort of in a reverse sense, had Squanto not been captured and kidnapped, he most certainly would have died. But Squanto's living with the neighboring Wampanoag tribe. And then that fall is when the pilgrims show up. Half of the pilgrims die the first winter. They wouldn't have survived another year. Spring of 1621. Walking into their camp is Squanto. And you can just picture the conversation. I mean, he's in his loincloth, and he goes up. He goes, oh, yeah, you guys from London? I used to live there, you know. Oh, yeah, the pub down on Warp street or St. Paul's Chapel goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I know that place. And then he says, oh, this place here. I grew up here. I know this place like the back of my hand over that hills of spring. And William Bradford says he taught him how to catch fish. He said, you know, that they weren't successful. But he says, no, these are salmon. They spawn. This river is going to be packed. And then he taught them how to plant corn. They said, we tried it. He goes, no, you got to dig a hole, put some fish in, then put the kernel of corn in to cover it up. The fish decompose, fertilizes the soil. You have a nice harvest. Taught him how to take the corn and put it in a pot, shake it, and make popcorn, right? And then he taught him how to go down to the riverbank, squeegee in the mud and catch eels and clams and lobsters, and then how to catch beaver skins. It took 40 years worth of beaver skins to pay off their debt for the boat ride, right? They didn't have. Wasn't like Latin in South America with gold. It wasn't like tobacco in Virginia. It's sort of interesting that the Indians in Virginia were healthy and they smoked tobacco and peace pipes. And so the Englishmen were like, okay, Indians are healthy. They smoke tobacco. Tobacco must make you healthy. And so it became a craze in London where doctors would prescribe tobacco anyway. But that was Virginia's cash crop. Massachusetts didn't have anything other than beaver skins. And it took 40 years of beaver skins for these pilgrims to pay off those investors for their boat riders. But Squanto was their interpreter, put him on good terms with the Indians, and they had an abundant harvest, and they had their first Thanksgiving. Now, half the pilgrims died the first winter, so there's 102 of them. So you're basically down to 51 90. Indians show up. Nearly twice as many Indians were at the first Thanksgiving than pilgrims. And the Indians show up with deer and turkey. And the end of the day, the Indians roll up in their blankets and go to Sleep. And the next day they're there. And Thanksgiving goes on a second day, and they're doing foot races and arm wrestling, and then they roll open their blankets, go to sleep, and the next day they're still there. So the first Thanksgiving went on for three days. And so it's just an interesting aspect that they were at peace with each other. Matter of fact, a year later, the Chief Massasoit gets sick and the pilgrim, Edward Winslow, goes and doctors him up and he recovers. And so that turned into a 50 year peace that the Pilgrims and the Indians had. And now little fine print. If you doctor an Indian chief and he dies, you die. So sort of serious when he went in there. But. But this was just a wonderful. The Pilgrims would not have survived had it not been for Squanto. And. And then.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So to kind of summarize all that, what do you think, you know, Bill, are some of the one or two big lessons from all that that apply to. To today and, you know, that we can. We can really kind of pry away from then and internalize for what we're living through.

[Bill Federer]

Well, personally, the thought of Squanto being sold into slavery and then rescuing the Pilgrims. You got the Bible story of Joseph being sold into slavery by his brothers, but then he goes down to Egypt and becomes right hand of the pharaoh and he provides for the other children of Israel to survive. So sometimes the pains that you go through in your life, the good Lord can use those to later have you be able to minister to somebody else that's going through struggles. One of the things I point out in history is there's two threads, greed and the gospel. And you always have people motivated by the gospel. And they're the ones that want to be friends with the Indians. And today, you know, they dig wells and villages and start hospitals and medical clinics and schools. Most of the schools and universities were started by churches. But then you always have people motivated by greed. And they're the ones that take land from the Indians, sell people into slavery, and vote for candidates they think will help their pocketbook, even though they stand for immorality. Those two threads go through each of our hearts every single day. And we have to make choices. Are we gonna do what benefits us or what's better for our kids and the next generation?

[Charlie Kirk]

That is the question, isn't it? And so we're living through a period of time right now, Bill, where a lot of people are looking for things to be thankful for. Can you just talk more broadly about the moral necessity to be deliberately Thankful at least a day or a season every single year.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, well, the founding era, they had this understanding of a relationship with a personal God. And so you read through the history. When things were bad, they would have days of prayer. When things were real bad, they would have days of fasting and prayer. And then when things turned around, they would have days of Thanksgiving. One time there was actually a famine, and they had a day of fasting, and a boat comes in the harbor with supplies. They cancel the day of fasting, and they have a day of Thanksgiving. And then you go through the Continental Congress. They had a day of prayer and fasting two months before they did the Declaration of Independence. And then you have after the victory at Saratoga, they have a day of Thanksgiving. They captured 6,000 of the British. This British have the most powerful military in the world, and we capture 6,000 of their soldiers. So we have a National day of Thanksgiving. And then George Washington has a day of Thanksgiving when we finally do the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. So he's thanking God for our form of government. You come up to the War of 1812, James Madison has a day of fasting, and then after the war, has a day of Thanksgiving. And but Lincoln's the one who made the day of Thanksgiving an annual event. And then every president from Lincoln up to the present has had a National Day of Thanksgiving. But it's, you know, it's important for us to be grateful, you know, when you are thankful that it is something that the good Lord will bless you even more if you're thankful for what he's given you. I tell people, you know, in a sense, just sort of simplifying. God has plan A and plan B. Plan A is he blesses us so much, and we turn to him out of gratefulness. If that doesn't work, there is plan B. It says he withholds his blessings, right? And he hides his face is what it says. And he lets us experience the consequences of our selfish decisions. And when it gets bad, we cry out to him out of desperation, and then he delivers us. His goal is to have us turn to him, and it's a whole lot easier. He blesses us, and we turn to him out of gratefulness.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen. It's beautifully said, Everybody. Email us freedomarliekirk.com Also check out Bill Federer's American Minute at americanminute.com I also want to reinforce for those of you that might be in the car right now on Thanksgiving or watching Unreal America's Voice or listening on podcasting, if you are upset with your child's school or if you want to have an alternative, we at Turning Point USA are really building something substantial and real. The church hybrid model, the homeschool, the pod schooling, all the resources we have for you guys@ turningpointacademy.com you guys can fill out an inquiry form there and contact us right there. The team at Turning Point Academy is working very hard. We'd love to hear from you.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams.

[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

[Travis Holloway]

And that's exactly why we created the Wealth Break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey you're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business. We're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities. Like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

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[Charlie Kirk]

It is Thanksgiving. Bill Federer is here. Bill, some people are very upset right now about the kind of rise of tyranny in America and what we have seen as the continued advance of, you know, totalitarianism and authoritarianism. Let's kind of reflect a little bit on the last year, 2022. Bill, what did you see that is giving you hope that historically shows us that the citizen is rising and that the authoritarianism is going to finally be put on its heels?

[Bill Federer]

Well, it is a crisis that causes people to wake up. I tell people it's in times of crises that people turn to Christ. But it's also in times of crisis that leaders are raised up. And what are the stories in the Bible that we love the most? It's when it looks hopeless. You got the Pharaoh charging in with his chariots and you got an 80 year old man Moses that stands up. Or you have a huge Goliath and it looks hopeless. And God raises up a teenager, David, there's Gideon, there's a hundred thousand midianites coming in. And here Gideon with 300 defeats them. It's almost like the good Lord likes to wait until things look hopeless and then he raises up little nobodies with faith and courage to turn things around. And this is just our turn. But I do see that for example, the COVID causes people, parents to look over the shoulder of their kids and see what they're being taught. All this transgender type stuff. And they're like, wait a second. And now parents are beginning to say, maybe I do need to take a more of an interest in what my kids are being taught. You know, I use a little illustration that you are a spirit, mind and body. So your, your mind in a sense is like a super fancy computer. It's more than that, but it's at least that. And your body's like the computer case, which makes it silly for people to argue over what color the computer case is. Imagine if I were to say blue computers are better than red computers, right? It doesn't really matter what color the case is. What matters what software is running on it. And so the battle is who gets to load the software on the next generation's brains and is it love your enemies, do good to them that bless you, or is it cancel them, get them to lose their job and the other side wants to put their malware and their viruses and their corrupted files on these little kids brains. And so the battle is who gets to teach the next generation. That's the prize. And I think that parents are finally waking up and realizing that we need to be involved.

[Charlie Kirk]

Amen. Bill, tell us about, you know, historically you write a lot about this, about how sometimes your back is up against the wall and you know, there's the odds seem against you, but we as Americans never give up, talk about that.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. Well here when the revolution was taking place, we were breaking away from a globalist king. The King of England could control 13 million square miles, half a billion people. The sun never set on the British Empire, you know, and Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, British Guyana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaica and America. Yet here we are with a ragtag group of people that decide we're going to stand up to this globalist and we're not going to cave. And the good Lord brings in France on our side and the Spanish help us behind the scenes and then the Dutch. And so it ends up with us standing encouraged that the British Empire is forced to let us go. And we're able to have a country where the citizen, the word citizen is Greek, it means co king. So you get to be a king with a little K over your life. And all of us together are king with a little K of the country. And you have a voluntary opportunity to surrender your life to Jesus, the king of kings. But it's voluntary. We're not talking dominionism or theocracy or shoving stuff down your throat.

[Charlie Kirk]

No.

[Bill Federer]

Our founders were dedicated to you having the freedom of conscience. And it goes back to the concept that God is love and he wants you to love him. But for love to be love, it must be voluntary. The moment it's forced, it evaporates. Jesus never forced anybody to follow him. We can't force anybody to follow him. But we want to have an atmosphere where there's the freedom for people to choose. And we don't want kids being indoctrinated with something that's anti faith. But we're a country, so you have us breaking away. You look at the War of 1812, the British had invested a lot of money in the bank of the United States and they were beginning to control our politics, sort of these globalist bankers and you had James Madison cancel the charter of the bank of the United States because it had, you know, a good percentage of it was European and English investments. And then they decided, well, they weren't happy. They declared war on us. And so the War of 1812 and then gotta go look at the civil War anyway a lot more there.

[Charlie Kirk]

But we are never surrender is the lesson on this Thanksgiving. A lot to be thankful for. Bill Federer, you're amazing. God bless you, man. Everyone check out turningpointacademy.com or get your tickets to americafestamfest.com have a wonderful Thanksgiving, Bill. Thanks again.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams.

[Travis Holloway]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.

[Rodney Williams]

Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

[Travis Holloway]

That's exactly why we created the wealth break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey. You're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities. Like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

[Rodney Williams]

So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place.

[Travis Holloway]

Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[America's Christian Credit Union Announcer]

Do you feel like your values are being challenged right now? It seems like our beliefs are constantly under fire. That's why it's important to partner with organizations that share your beliefs. America's Christian Credit Union is committed to standing firm in our faith, serving the community, and bringing you the best financial services. Now, with their elite checking program, you can take your banking to a whole new level. With up to 4% APY on checking balances under 15,000, early pay exclusive loan discounts, built in cell phone protection, ID theft monitoring, everyday shopping discounts and more. ACCU works alongside Christians nationwide to advance God's work because your money should reflect your mission. Are you ready to bank with purpose? Visit americaschristiancu.com elite to learn more and make the switch. Early pay depends on when your employer sends your paycheck. We can't guarantee early direct deposit APY equals annual percentage yield. America's Christian Credit Union is federally insured by the NCUA.

[TJ Maxx Announcer]

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[Charlie Kirk]

It is Thanksgiving week and we are here. By the way, the official uniform of thought crime this week is the Thanksgiving uniform.

[Jack]

I decided to go as Charlie Kirk for this Thanksgiving. I didn't, I didn't fully shave. I might later. And then, and then like your hair thing where you do like the down up.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's like, it's the natural color.

[Jack]

It's like a nice. It's like a Nike swoosh.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is. It's. I have it. Have it trademarked.

[Jack]

Is that why you only wear Nikes?

[Charlie Kirk]

I actually don't only wear Nikes, but I should. So we also have Blake and Tyler as well. What are they wearing? Let's see. Blake is probably wearing a T shirt.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I'm wearing my turkey hat.

[Blake]

I. I believe this is a Kirkland shirt. I don't actually have a Costco membership, but I'll be honest, my mother buys a lot of shirts for me.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I'm wearing my turkey hat, my native American shawl.

[Blake]

I hear all you guys in there.

[Colgate Advertiser]

And then my Arizona State T shirt. Because we're going to the big tall championship. Unless things go awry on Saturday.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, maybe. Hold on, Tyler. You know the story of Arizona football. Whatever is predictable. No, Tyler knows this. They will curse whatever inevitable path they have. They mess it up. It is an inevitability of Arizona State football.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I've got a front row seat, Charlie, on Saturday with my two brothers right behind Kenny Dillingham. So down in Tucson.

[Blake]

This is a very dumb question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, you're going. But going down to Tucson.

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I'm going down to Tucson. And front row seat.

[Bill Federer]

I like Tucson.

[Travis Holloway]

Tucson sounds nice.

[Colgate Advertiser]

So it's going to be a miserable drawback.

[Blake]

This is a dumb question. Having not gone to an ASU football game. Do they just, like, suffer in complete agony for their first, like three home games of the season? Because, you know.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, no. They do evenings. Evenings.

[Colgate Advertiser]

They do them in the evenings. It's actually really nice. Still 95 degrees in Arizona it's a nice brisk 98. But here's the factoid for everybody that's listening. Arizona has the longest rivalry game in the country. The Territorial cup between Arizona State and Arizona. People don't believe it. Look it up.

[Charlie Kirk]

No way. Oregon. Oregon State has to be older.

[Bill Federer]

No, look it up.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Territorial cup is the longest recognized NCAA football.

[Jack]

Now he's. Here come all the caveats.

[Charlie Kirk]

Goes back to 1873.

[Colgate Advertiser]

It's the oldest.

[Blake]

Is it like the oldest that has.

[Charlie Kirk]

How is it older than 1873? No.

[Jack]

Yale. Princeton is pretty.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, Yale. Princeton was 1873.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No, but it's a rivalry game.

[Jack]

I'm surprised.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yale Princeton is a rivalry game.

[Bill Federer]

The Haiti.

[Colgate Advertiser]

You have to look up the terrace.

[Charlie Kirk]

Montana. Montana State, 1897.

[Jack]

That's pretty old.

[Charlie Kirk]

Illinois State, Eastern Illinois, 19.

[Jack]

Arizona wasn't even a state back then. That's why it couldn't be an Arizona State, because there wasn't a state.

[Blake]

I'm looking. I'm looking online, and it says the duel in the desert is just 1899. And there's many rivalries that are older than 1899.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No, look at territory.

[Charlie Kirk]

Look.

[Blake]

Michigan, Notre Dame, 1887. Duke, North Carolina, 1888.

[Jack]

The oldest one that Tyler knows about, actually. Look.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Google Territorial cup.

[Blake]

Army, Navy Game, 1890. I. I feel like the Army Navy game is pretty old. Like they're. And they're still going.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Territorial cup, the nation's oldest rivalry trophy.

[Blake]

Oh, oldest trophy. That's. So they. The trophy.

[Colgate Advertiser]

You can't really have a cup without a trophy. You.

[Blake]

You could just spiritually have one.

[Bill Federer]

That's it. So.

[Colgate Advertiser]

And that's. And that was territorial. That's why it's called a territorial cup.

[Blake]

Sounds like your territorial.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Arizona State was the normal school, and that was it.

[Jack]

Big time.

[Blake]

Okay. All right.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I'm not saying it's good football. I'm just saying it's.

[Bill Federer]

It's.

[Blake]

I have. By the way, since it is a Thanksgiving Day episode, I wanted to flag that we have all something very important to be grateful for. Remember Real Raw News, Charlie, you remember Real Raw News. America's only trustworthy news source. They have a breaking report today, just before Thanksgiving, Special forces have arrested Kamala Harris. She has come back. Finally vacation in Hawaii. But they. They nabbed her. According to the story, there were moles inside of her Secret service detail, and they couldn't get her in Hawaii. I guess Hawaii is like the deep state safe zone where they control things. But they got her back to DC which is also a deep state safe zone, but not as safe. And so they managed to take her into custody. She and Doug Emhoff will be sent to Gitmo to stand trial for treason. I. I'm glad. Real raw news.

[Jack]

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Blake]

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Jack]

I was worried that she might be out there.

[Charlie Kirk]

So Tyler's half right. It's the oldest trophy. It's the oldest trophy. That is. That is legit. So it is the oldest trophy. The Territory Cup.

[Colgate Advertiser]

It's pretty impressive.

[Blake]

It doesn't sound like there's a trophy. It sounds like it's a cup.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Nothing.

[Bill Federer]

He's right.

[Jack]

The Territorial cup was created 125 years ago at his 1899 championship.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's the oldest rivalry trophy in college football.

[Colgate Advertiser]

But what.

[Jack]

What was the school even called before?

[Charlie Kirk]

I. I don't know. They're not.

[Colgate Advertiser]

ASU was called the Normal School.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was literally called Tempe Normal.

[Jack]

Tempe Normal.

[Charlie Kirk]

And Arizona.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Huh.

[Blake]

It's. The Territorial cup is so old that it literally is like a cup. It looks like a. It looks like a vase.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm actually impressed. I thought no one lived in Arizona to like 1930.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No, my ancestors were there.

[Jack]

And it was literally just two football teams prior to 1912. It was just two football teams.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I. I just.

[Colgate Advertiser]

It's remarkable and to go that you.

[Jack]

Had to replace someone on the team.

[Blake]

Arizona's population in 1890 was 88, 000 people moved here.

[Colgate Advertiser]

We chased twice as many more.

[Jack]

65 of them were related to our. To Tyler.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I'm a seventh generation Arizona.

[Charlie Kirk]

When did.

[Blake]

When did the old technical lawyer show up here?

[Colgate Advertiser]

It wasn't boy. It was lambs and. And those people. But there was this 1860s.

[Blake]

1860. In 1860, the population of Arizona. 6,482 people.

[Jack]

Better known, that is.

[Colgate Advertiser]

That is OG second cousins with Sheriff Lamp.

[Bill Federer]

Yep.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Man.

[Blake]

Now there's 6,000. There's like probably more than that within like a couple blocks of here.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right. Speaking of getting out into the wild, they say evolution has gone soft and. And that men have traded their strength for comfort. But if you're not about to let your instincts go dull, fuel up with something raw and real. You hear that? It's in the script, Blake. Raw and real right there. It's in the script. Right, Jack? Am I making it up?

[Jack]

Something raw, real and primal.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, we should do a spin off called Primal News. By the way, Blake could be a millionaire running Primal News as a spinoff of Real Raw News. Because he understands that language so well, we should just call it Is There a Primal News. I don't even want to see what that would be.

[Jack]

I don't think there is no. There's no Primal News.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm sure that would be great. I'm going to Primal News. Okay.

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[Jack]

I really worry it's the only thing you eat on Thanksgiving.

[Blake]

No, no, that's incorrect. Incorrect.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Not allowed.

[Blake]

No, no. You can have. Tyler and I were discussing this. Not at all, not at all.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not at all.

[Blake]

You can have. You must have turkey. It is required to have turkey. You may have ham if it is supplementary to the turkey, but, like, it should be. Any meat you have should be from like a ham. A central meat dispensing entity. You cannot have individualized servings of meat. That is. That is my position.

[Jack]

Not from a central meat dispensary.

[Blake]

No, like, you don't. You don't make a giant. You don't make like a £50 steak and then take like a piece of it and like pass the giant super steak around like that. That's what you do with ham or turkey. Like, you make the whole turkey or you make the whole ham and you can, like cut a little bit of it. But you don't do that with steak.

[Jack]

But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You can have a separate serving of a plate of steak for people similar to the ham.

[Blake]

No, it's just wrong.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Like, no, because ham is. Ham is like supplement to the turkey taste. You have to have turkey and ham on your plate.

[Blake]

You don't need ham, though. You don't want.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No, you don't need him.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no. I'm a turkey purist, but some people think that they could start to get really. Now, Christmas is a completely different ball game. There are no rules with Christmas. Ham is usually center but steak is acceptable. Yeah, but no but still Christmas is a whole Thanksgiving. It is un American not to have either Turkey, some sort of dressing, cranberries. But here's the thing about the cranberry thing. If you want to be an ultra traditionalist, right, it must be straight out of the can. Yes, taken vertically with no adjustments.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Kirk show and now if you want to have the.

[Blake]

Thing. Now, hold on.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, no, no, no. And if you want to have cranberry, with adjustments that could be supplementary, but however, it must be out of the can, and you just take it vertically and it just jiggles.

[Jack]

Walk me through your stuffing.

[Charlie Kirk]

The stuffing is very interesting. Okay, now here's the big question.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Does the stuffing go in the turkey or is it prepared outside of the turkey?

[Colgate Advertiser]

Is that stuffing versus dress?

[Jack]

Put it in, cook it with the turkey, or some people will prepare it and then just put it in for, like, the final.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, that's. That's the final leg. You got to go the full lantha. So it. I. Dressing has to be, obviously, cornbread.

[Jack]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some sort of celeries and carrots.

[Jack]

Sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sausage.

[Jack]

Need your crunch.

[Charlie Kirk]

Little crunch. Mix that all together. But you know what makes the stuffing really kicker? The gravy.

[Bill Federer]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so you need the gravy. You have the stuffing, you have the jiggling cranberry, you got the turkey, and that's all that's accepted. And then. Else. Maybe green beans and then sweet potatoes.

[Jack]

Green bean casserole.

[Charlie Kirk]

How do you. See, now we're getting.

[Jack]

What's the issue with green bean casserole?

[Charlie Kirk]

I. I just. I just. It's not. It's not allowed.

[Jack]

What do you mean it's not allowed? You're getting too cute. Green bean casserole.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Green bean casserole. With.

[Bill Federer]

It's a total staple.

[Blake]

With the.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, with those little crunchy things.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Fried onions.

[Jack]

They're fried onions.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no. I like.

[Bill Federer]

What?

[Charlie Kirk]

I like the long, uninterrupted, unblemished green beans with butter. With butter.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's good, though.

[Bill Federer]

Those are good.

[Charlie Kirk]

Casserole.

[Bill Federer]

Casserole.

[Charlie Kirk]

I never said casserole. The casserole is a.

[Jack]

No, you're saying casserole is a staple. It's an absolute Thanksgiving.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't think It's a staple.

[Jack]

100.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then. Let me think. What else? Okay, yes. Then the sweet potatoes.

[Jack]

Sure.

[Charlie Kirk]

But none of this marshmallow stuff. You see, this is new age, and it's a mistake. We're all of a sudden full tradition. No, no, it's a mixture of. It's like 1950s Thanksgiving. Right? It's like. That's why it's like the gel. You know, it's.

[Jack]

No, no, I'm saying no marshmallows.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no marshmallow. The marshmallow thing is. Is a disgrace with.

[Jack]

Well, Charlie, hold on a second, though, because there is one thing. Wait Wait, wait, wait. There is one thing. One dish that we know for a fact was served at the original Thanksgiving. Charlie, you know where I'm going with this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Smallpox.

[Jack]

No, no, no, Charlie. Not what. Not what we served. What was served to us.

[Charlie Kirk]

It.

[Jack]

Corn.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, see, no, no, no.

[Jack]

Corn was served at the original.

[Charlie Kirk]

The only corn that is acceptable is cornbread. I will say you have to bend the knee to the corn God, and cornbread has to be either the dressing, the stuffing. Stop. Do you agree, Tyler?

[Jack]

Long time thought crime.

[Charlie Kirk]

Listeners will remember that.

[Jack]

Charlie is.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is like Blake radicalized me.

[Jack]

Anti cornite.

[Charlie Kirk]

I. I think. I think corn has no redemptive value unless it is for Thanksgiving, because then it is a sacrament to Squanto.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No, no. Corn is good in the summertime.

[Blake]

We. We eat corn corn on Thanksgiving to show our thanks that the angry corn God has not destroyed us.

[Colgate Advertiser]

No corn.

[Bill Federer]

Corn on the cob.

[Charlie Kirk]

Exactly. This is exactly.

[Jack]

I forgot his name. I forget the corn God's name in the.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no. We're not talking about corn on the cob. We're talking about corn elements. Cornbread, for example.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Corn.

[Jack]

Even. Even. Wait, wait, wait. Even Charlie.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Kirk.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like Ben.

[Jack]

Anti corn.

[Charlie Kirk]

No. This is what. Thanks.

[Jack]

This is big. This is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's be very clear. Thanksgiving is not about what you want to do. It is what your ancestors did.

[Jack]

Okay?

[Charlie Kirk]

And it doesn't matter if you don't want to. No, that's what I'm saying. It's not about. I don't care about. If you don't like cranberries, you don't like turkey. Suck it up. It's Thanksgiving. There is no this we. This modernity. Like, I'm gonna put. Like.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Tanya doesn't.

[Jack]

Tanya will not eat turkey.

[Charlie Kirk]

It doesn't matter.

[Colgate Advertiser]

She'll make it.

[Jack]

She won't figure it out. She won't eat it.

[Bill Federer]

So.

[Colgate Advertiser]

So here in Arizona.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't know what to tell you.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I completely agree with Charlie. I think the canned cranberry is a must on the table. However, you have to have. You have to have a second. In Arizona, we have jalapeno cranberries. Incredible. If you haven't had it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know you're regionalizing this too much Halloween. Yeah.

[Colgate Advertiser]

It adds a little spice.

[Bill Federer]

It's just a little bit.

[Blake]

It's like when I went to the Grand Canyon last summer and I discovered that I guess they just sell, like, prickly pear everything at every Arizona.

[Rodney Williams]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jack]

That's anywhere.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Prickly pear, chickens. So I. I have a question for everybody, though, and this is getting Deep into the weeds. So we talked about stuffing or dressing. Moist stuffing or dry stuffing.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's got to be dry, but the gravy makes it moist. If you make it too moist, your vehicle always make it more moist before the gravy. You can't, you, it has to be on the spectrum of tilt. Moist, but not too much because if it's too dry, then it's just, it's too brittle and brittle. There's nothing worse than brittle dressing.

[Colgate Advertiser]

So, so you call it dressing or something.

[Jack]

I'm noticing that you call it dressing.

[Charlie Kirk]

It should be stuffing. However, I've been corrected many times. I've always called stuffing, even though it's not technically stuffing. Unless it's within the turkey.

[Blake]

Yes.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Dressings outside the turkey.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's not. No. I, I, I grew up calling it stuffing, even though we never put it in the turkey.

[Jack]

No, but it's the, I mean, I get that, but the, the type of food would be called still stuffing. Dressing is like for salads.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Dressing is outside.

[Bill Federer]

That is.

[Jack]

I reject that completely. Totally.

[Blake]

Stuffing is like a type of, of food and it like it should be used to stuff in it, but it is still stuffing, even if it's not doing the.

[Colgate Advertiser]

There's lots of things.

[Bill Federer]

Dressing is outside.

[Jack]

Use the name properly. But we, but we still call it that.

[Charlie Kirk]

It used to be. I'm excited for Thanksgiving at this point. This is great.

[Jack]

So we're, people know we're pre taping this.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Ahead.

[Jack]

We are.

[Bill Federer]

We are.

[Jack]

Today. We are on.

[Blake]

We actually, we blew off Thanksgiving.

[Colgate Advertiser]

We're supposed to be eating right now.

[Jack]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So now let's, let's now go to the more fundamental question.

[Jack]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dessert. Okay. Because that really is, what do you need to say?

[Jack]

Well, for me, I mean, if I have, I have.

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[Charlie Kirk]

No, no, you go. You know, this is, I have, I.

[Jack]

Have at times and my mom knows this. I have left the house, gone to the store and purchased the ingredients for pumpkin pie and brought it home and made it myself because there was no pumpkin pie available. It is required.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, I, I completely agree. It is like 100% required. The first commandment of Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah. Is thou shalt have pumpkin pie. With whipped cream.

[Bill Federer]

With whipped cream.

[Charlie Kirk]

It, it is a non negotiable right.

[Jack]

If it's not there. Like, I, I, I got up, I got in my car. I was like, I'm just going to go. I'm not.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now Ryan asks a really good question. Is Thanksgiving meal a lunch or a dinner? The answer is around 3:30 to 4:00pm yeah. That is the sweet spot. Right as the sun is going down in Chicago.

[Travis Holloway]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Boom. You sit down right?

[Blake]

Thanksgiving, that is way too late.

[Jack]

It is itself its own meal.

[Blake]

No, no, that is, that is, that's way too late. You do it. I would say Neff family tradition is maybe 1 to 1:30pm we are so early.

[Charlie Kirk]

Super early. Second football game.

[Jack]

When are you going to sleep?

[Blake]

The second. Second football game. Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

You got to first. First football game is the Lions. The Cowboys are always second. We, we have a tradition in our house. Halftime of Cowboys. We get seated because we're cheering that the Cowboys will lose.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Yes.

[Blake]

Well, that's good. But no, it's way too, way too late.

[Jack]

We share this tradition as well.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, oh, TV's off during the meal. No, TV should be off.

[Blake]

Yeah, like, no, I, I greatly dislike the like, TV sanctification of Thanksgiving. Like, I don't know, I would watch, I would consider it like if the packers are on, I would watch the Packers. But I do not consider it essential to watch. Now there's three games on Thanksgiving.

[Jack]

We usually have like.

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[Travis Holloway]

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Let's be honest. Building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.

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And that's exactly why we created the wealth Break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial part podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.

[Rodney Williams]

We're here to talk about the journey you're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories.

[Travis Holloway]

And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.

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[Bill Federer]

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[Blake]

Socialism sucks.

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The Charlie Kirk show.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, this is true. There has been a desecration. It used to be only two games and it was on Fox. It would be the Lions, who used to be bad and now they're good. And actually, who do they play this week? Let me see. I bet it's actually pretty good lineup. And then it was the Cowboys, but now NBC got greedy because it was. Fox had their game, CBS had their game, and then NBC got greedy and they snuck in their own. So is that this week? No. Okay, let me see here. What do we got? We got a new week of football. Okay. There's three games. Oh, Blake, you're in luck.

[Blake]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I'll see it.

[Blake]

It's the evening game.

[Charlie Kirk]

Dolphins are visiting Lambeau. Okay, I'm gonna be watching that. Oh, and Chicago plays on Thanksgiving.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Ah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, wow.

[Jack]

They're gonna get.

[Blake]

They're gonna get annihilated. They're gonna die at Detroit.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's gonna be at Detroit.

[Jack]

That's. Yeah, that's not gonna.

[Charlie Kirk]

By the way, you could tell who's having a better season. Tickets start at ford Field for one. $81. Tickets start at Jerry. Stan. 28 bucks.

[Jack]

Yeah, my. My son asked me the other day because he saw when we went to the. The Eagles game, and he was like, all jealous that we went, and so he was like, oh, daddy, give me some Eagles tickets.

[Colgate Advertiser]

We'll go.

[Jack]

And so we looked up the ones for Thanksgiving weekend, and I was Like, I gotta sell a lot more pillows.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Like, Eagles tickets right now are. It was 500. Was like the highest nose.

[Charlie Kirk]

311 is where they start at Insane.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Jack]

This week you're seeing what, 311, and that's in Baltimore. But Baltimore, so close. You're basically. You're basically in the Philly light, right? Yeah, you're pretty much in. It's like 90 minutes. You know, the way I drive, it's 90 minutes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so now. Now that we have developed.

[Jack]

By the way, by the way, I don't want to throw my mom under the bus because every single year. And I know she's going to watch this every single year, post that. There's, like a selection of pumpkin pies.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is always available the way it must be. By the way, do you think that pecan pie can also make an appearance?

[Jack]

Of course, yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, good.

[Blake]

Most other pieces can be there, but.

[Jack]

Pumpkin is pecan pie.

[Charlie Kirk]

I actually prefer more than pumpkin pie.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

However, I must have a slice of pumpkin pie.

[Jack]

Wait, were you always like that, though, when you were little?

[Charlie Kirk]

My mom makes a killer pecan pie.

[Jack]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Like, destroys the world.

[Blake]

Okay, what about.

[Jack]

So when I was younger, I was always pumpkin, but then, well, pecan pie now.

[Charlie Kirk]

Now we're getting into chocolate pecan pie. And that's where you just surrender.

[Jack]

You're just done at that point.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's just.

[Colgate Advertiser]

So you throw.

[Jack]

You throw. Because guys, you know, folks who don't know Charlie, you're usually pretty strict with your diet. You're usually strict.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's like. I mean, you're usually like, no, no, no. But Thanksgiving's different. Thanksgiving, you go all in. And it is. It is a holy day. By the way, I think Thanksgiving is one of America's greatest traditions.

[Colgate Advertiser]

It is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Because it's a day just to give thanks. I think it's uniquely awesome.

[Jack]

Talk about that for a little bit, because there's, you know, a lot of people say, well, it's, you know, it's just about the. It's, you know, it's the Indians. It's the pilgrims.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, everything is what you make of it.

[Jack]

Who cares, right? Who cares? There's no God involved. Why. Why do you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, first of all, the pilgrims were definitely giving thanks to God. They were. They were not giving, you know, thanks to Brahmin, but they were giving thanks to the Almighty God. And. But yeah. Secondly, I just think it's amazing, especially during the season where we have such abundance and we won the election, that there's a day where you just stop and you say thank you, which then of course acknowledges you're saying thank you to a higher power. And I don't know of another nation or another country that has a day of gratitude. I think I actually said this once, and I guess there was, like, some random African country that has it, and that's fine. I got, like, in trouble for saying this last year. Yeah, okay. So fine. I guess Senegal has. Has a day like that. I'll look it up.

[Jack]

However, great job, Senegal or whatever, but.

[Charlie Kirk]

But what?

[Jack]

But following in some good footsteps.

[Charlie Kirk]

But a day of gratitude. I subscribe. Subscribe to the Prager. Hopefully he's doing better. He's. He's fighting like crazy right now. Belief. He's really struggling that happiness is impossible if you are not grateful. And I believe that. I do not think you can have joy. I do not think you can have be content if you're not grateful. And I think it's a beautiful thing as a nation. We have a day to say thank.

[Jack]

You on the nation.

[Blake]

Who always.

[Jack]

Who gave us the story of Thanksgiving? Real quick notice. Real quick. You know, shout out to the OG who always told us the true story of Thanksgiving. Rush Limbaugh.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, man, he was an OG on that.

[Jack]

He just did every year. I've still got. I've got a recording of it somewhere, and we used to play it, and.

[Charlie Kirk]

I got to relist. Try to.

[Jack]

So good.

[Charlie Kirk]

Send that me. Send it to me tonight. I got to retry to recreate it tomorrow.

[Jack]

I. I did something on the show last year where I sort of like, I. I didn't try to do it like Rush did it, but I told the story, and people just have to keep telling that story over and over. And they tried socialism. It failed. Then they tried giving people ownership of their various plots of land, and then they had an overabundance of their harvest, and so they gave thanks to God.

[Charlie Kirk]

What a concept.

[Jack]

What an incredible concept. But instead, now it's all like, oh, the pilgrims were dying, and the Indians had to come, and they saved the pilgrims because they were stupid. Europeans didn't know anything. Even though Squanto had actually lived in Europe, even he had been in London more recently than the pilgrims had. So he spoke English so well. But of course, you know, facts are.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, you were saying something.

[Blake]

Well, so first of all, I was saying we should make fun of Canada for having their knockoff Thanksgiving that is just one month before ours. I think we should always seize every opportunity to bully Canada because it's fun. And. But also, even like, the full story of Thanksgiving, because evil liberals always want to dunk on it. Like, it's even more beautiful than just the Pilgrims doing it when they settled here. Like, the very first, like, annual Thanksgiving national holiday, Fourth Thursday in November, like clockwork. That was started by Abraham Lincoln in 1863, middle of the Civil War, the peak of the Civil War. I think that's probably the bloodiest year of the Civil War. And he says that, yes, like, in the middle of this, we're going to have a celebration of national Thanksgiving. And, like, that was what set it as a national holiday. George Washington declared a day of Thanksgiving. It's truly, you know, it's a great thing because it is possibly the one great national tradition that was created in America that we have had for the entire history of America. That is just totally our own thing. And then us being America, we have exported it to the rest of the world in various ways. Someone was very shocked to learn I was talking to a foreigner who was like, wasn't Black Friday this week? No, no, Black Friday is this week. And it's kind of terrible.

[Jack]

Yeah. I used to be a Black Friday person, but now it's. I'm done.

[Blake]

It's.

[Bill Federer]

It's awful. It's just so awful.

[Jack]

And it's not even Black Friday anymore, because Black Friday, there's like, well, Charlie, given everything that you just said about the importance of Thanksgiving, what do you think about the people who leave Thanksgiving dinner early to go and start shopping?

[Charlie Kirk]

First of all. First of all, I totally. When I grew up, it was actually Black Friday. Yeah. Now it's like Black Thursday evening.

[Jack]

Right. And it's not like you start lining up like, the sales actually begin.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's actually interesting for younger listeners that don't know, after so many people got trampled in the Walmart raids, because people would line up, they keep the stores open.

[Jack]

Right.

[Charlie Kirk]

They. They don't close them and reopen them.

[Jack]

Because it used to be the Walmart would close and then.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then all. All the. All the deals and the sales would be set, and then people would get trampled so much. I think someone almost died and they got hospitalized and there were tons of people did die.

[Bill Federer]

This is the plot of.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is the plot of people die. Is that right? I didn't know that.

[Jack]

Yeah, people died. That's terrible.

[Charlie Kirk]

That I didn't know they died.

[Jack]

That there's that. Thanks. Thanksgiving horror movie. This is actually the plot where people get killed and then, like, someone's getting revenge on the people who started the. The stampede.

[Charlie Kirk]

So So I, I had no problem with like you have a really, really good Thanksgiving and then you want to get good deals on stuff. And I think that was fine. It was like a good kickoff to the Christmas season. But. And it used to be when I grew up there was a grittiness to Black Friday. There was like a took, it took real spirit. So you have to understand like I, I grew up in Chicago. It would always be like sub 20 degrees and if you wanted to get a Black Friday deal you had to earn it. So you had to like leave with your family at like 10pm after all that turkey's full. And you like stood in line at Target from the open their doors at 12:01. Yeah, right. And you would like shop all night and you would like get 711 coffee and get home by like 5am and you felt like I earned this deal. And it was like, it was like a sense of accomplishment and you know what I mean?

[Jack]

You had to have. There was like a limit to what you could get.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of course. No. And it was very narrow. And also one specific, we would go through catalogs and go through what was on sale. This was all before Internet. I want to throw to Blake in a second.

[Colgate Advertiser]

But there was Internet ruined it.

[Charlie Kirk]

There was a, also there was a divide and conquer strategy of what stores are we going to hit? Are we going to go to Best Buy? Are we going to go to Home Depot? Because like and you're shopping for other people and there was like a real like conquest like chess game where it's like oh wow, Best buy opens at 11:30 and Walmart's @ midnight.

[Jack]

My, my strategy would always be like I would find the one store that was like within a 45 minute drive but in like a like a non populated area.

[Charlie Kirk]

It was so much fun.

[Jack]

Think about or like a Staples. Cuz nobody thinks that Staples would have stuff but they do have computers and different, you know, hot items. So like what are, what's the thing that people aren't going to think about? And that's where I'm going to.

[Charlie Kirk]

And now you just wait for Cyber Monday and click a couple buttons and so all the adventure of it and you don't earn it anymore. It used to be you'd get home at 3:30 in the morning. You're like I got a good deal on screen tv. It was, it was a teenage rite of passage in suburban Chicago. Blake, your thoughts?

[Blake]

Yeah, it was really. I, I can still think of like individual things. I went out of my way to get on Black Friday. I Think I still have a PlayStation 3 that I got in 2011. I think I can remember the exact deal. It was a slim $250. It came with Little Big Planet and like some crummy Ratchet and Clank game, who cares? But like, that was the best deal you could get for I think like two years after that point. But what ended up killing it was, as you said, you know, you were. You'd go for the time and it used to be okay. It was on Black Friday, normal hours. Then they would open it at like 6am in the morning and people would show it before then someone got ahead and made it, oh, let's open exactly at midnight. And then what finally killed it? I think the rise of the Internet was a factor. But another thing that killed it was companies decided to get so greedy and they just said, we're doing Black Friday on Thanksgiving. And they would just be open on Thanksgiving with those deals. And I think to America's credit, there was popular backlash to this where they're saying, wait, you're forcing employees to skip Thanksgiving to come in and work on Thanksgiving. Though I must hedge, I have to be personally grateful for the fact that some that stores are open on Thanksgiving, some of them because I visited a friend, this is about 10 years ago, I went down to a friend in Tennessee for Thanksgiving and I took a Megabus down. You know, poor, we have to travel by bus. And I took a Megabus down and I had a bag under it and we. I had to get off in Chattanooga, which was the final destination was Atlanta. And they get out and they're like, okay, where's your bag? I'm like, oh, it's under the thing. And they open it and they, they feel around, they're like, ah, yeah, we can't find it. We have a schedule to do. We have, we have to go. And they just drove away with my bag, with all of my changes of clothes. And I arrived late Wednesday night. So I had to go to a Walmart, which thanks to American capitalism, was open on Thanksgiving. And I had to buy an entire set of clothes for the whole weekend.

[Colgate Advertiser]

So I had that perspective. I actually, one of my first jobs was in high school. I took the, the seasonal job at Target. And my first day, like first real day was Thanksgiving or Black Friday. So I had to wake up after Thanksgiving when I was like a sophomore in high school at like literally 4am I to be at Target at 4:30. Help stock everything. This was still the days that they still open the doors. Like Charlie was talking about before, they just like leave it open or open like super early. And there would be like I get there at like 4 o' clock and there would be a line wrapped around the building of people waiting to get in. And then we had to stock everything.

[Blake]

So here's a crazy story. So you guys, there's a myth that Black Friday is the day after Thanksgiving. And you know why that's a myth? Because the real truth is. The real truth is that Thanksgiving is the day before Black Friday.

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[Blake]

I am not making it up. The current date of Thanksgiving is because of like an evil plot by fdr. No, I'm not making this up. So Lincoln's proclamation of Thanksgiving is. Thanksgiving is on the last Thursday of the month. Yes, it is on the last Thursday.

[Jack]

Right?

[Blake]

It is not on the last Thursday. It is currently on the fourth Thursday of the month. That is what the federal law is. So there are sometimes five. So there are sometimes five Thursdays in November and then it would be on the fourth. It used to be on the fifth. And then during the Great Depression, I believe in 1939, FDR got in his head, if there's a longer, like, if there's a longer time between Thanksgiving and Christmas, there will be a longer Christmas shopping season. And so people will shop more and this will stimulate the economy. And so he intervened and he moved Thanksgiving to be a week earlier. And this became a partisan political issue. And so for a few years, Republican states said we're not doing this and we're refusing to go along with it. So you had a Democrat Thanksgiving on the fourth Thursday and you had a Republican Thanksgiving on the fifth one. And I think Texas, because they were a Democrat state but had a lot of like, conservative Democrats who didn't like fdr, they called the truce and they just had, they said they're both holidays and they had two Thanksgiving and then sadly Congress submitted and now it's just on the fourth Thursday and we, we lost that culture war battle.

[Jack]

What you were saying though, what you were saying though, there's a deeper. And producer Faz talks about this all the time. His birthday was this week, by the way.

[Bill Federer]

Shout out.

[Jack]

He calls it micro wins. Micro W's. And how. So, Charlie, you'd appreciate this is that like in, in your teenage years and working retail, you know, used to be part of this too. But in your teenage years there used to be a variety of things that you would do as a rite of people passage that have all been pretty much completely destroyed because of new technology. One of those, of course, was waiting in line like this. Another one of those, you know, having those retail jobs again with no phone to like just, you know, constantly be there, getting you through it, monotony, going through it. One of the other ones we. I don't know how I got into this. The other day on Twitter was like, it's not even Thanksgiving related, but it was like when you used to have to call someone's house and if you wanted to. If you wanted to call a girl, you had to call her house and you had to get through mom or potentially dad. And so it's like the elimination of all those things in society has now created men or adults who don't actually go through any meaningful rite of passage.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, I mean, I totally agree with that. I mean, some of these other rites of passage were like elementary things, such as be home before dark. Like, that was like a very simple thing. Right. The other rites of passage were that you need to memorize, like you say, the home phone numbers of at least five people. That.

[Jack]

Yeah. Memorizing phone numbers.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. I don't think anybody does that anymore. Like, anybody.

[Jack]

I know Tanya's. I know my parents.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know all the phone numbers from what I grew up.

[Jack]

I know a bunch of. When I grew up.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Like, I know a bunch of my buddies, but like, my brother got a cell phone later.

[Blake]

I don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

I also think it was really important. Important that when I used to call somebody's house, I had to speak to an adult.

[Jack]

That's what I'm saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think that was.

[Jack]

That's what I'm saying.

[Charlie Kirk]

Think about that.

[Jack]

Think about.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's a very under appreciated. There was no texting. It didn't exist.

[Jack]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

When I was in 6th grade, AOL instant messenger was just starting.

[Bill Federer]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that was a thing. But it had to be on a, like, publicly available computer in my house. And it wasn't like you couldn't like bring it with you at all times. It was like there was like a very, you know, like.

[Jack]

So it was just like logging on and logging off was a thing.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, it was totally a thing. You had the away message and like you would come home to see if you got any messages. And I actually, again, I don't even know if that was a healthier version of this crap that we have right now.

[Jack]

Much healthier.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so I loved AL Instant messenger, for the record, I thought it was really fun. And it was actually a really, really good service. It was really, I mean, I really liked it. And it was a lot of our social norms.

[Bill Federer]

A lot of our social norms on.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Texting came from AOL and some messenger.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Jack]

Does it LOL comes from that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Lol. Brb, lol, ttyl.

[Jack]

Lol Absolutely comes from AOL Instant Messenger.

[Charlie Kirk]

AOL still exists, by the way.

[Blake]

There are still millions of people getting.

[Colgate Advertiser]

They shut down Instant Messenger.

[Blake]

Instant messenger has been dead. Not only is Instant Messenger.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is that right?

[Blake]

It's been dead.

[Charlie Kirk]

AIM is done.

[Blake]

AIM is dead.

[Colgate Advertiser]

I, I and Charlie, it's even older than that. Because I, I was on Instab. Cuz Jack and I are a little bit older than you. I was on instead.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but I'm saying it was big. I just like to know it started to grow.

[Blake]

Tyler is way older than Charlie.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Way older. So Jack's older than me. Yeah.

[Jack]

Tyler actually is the first.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what that brings back. Like, yay.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I loved aol.

[Jack]

Yeah. Aol My Wedding.

[Charlie Kirk]

Here's another. Here's another rite of pet passage.

[Blake]

Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

Playing a video game so much that it overheats. That's like a real thing or playing a game.

[Jack]

Playing a game.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack knows what I'm talking. Especially computer games, though. No, no, no, no. If you play for too long and your computer wasn't that sophisticated or good, your computer hard drive would like, yeah. Start to like overheat. Right. That's a real thing.

[Blake]

100.

[Charlie Kirk]

Or how about another one playing on either like Age of Empires or Sims or like whatever it was and like it malfunctioning before you save. Or you can like log your progress. Right?

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Mom.

[Jack]

Mom unplugging the Nintendo before. Well, when you were on like level eight of Mario and there was no way to save, or mom telling you.

[Blake]

To pause the game when it's actually online and you're playing against other people.

[Colgate Advertiser]

Yeah, I, I had numerous times beating it, defeating a level in Super Super Mario and then forgetting to save it and you shut it off and you go back, you're like, ah, that's so funny.

[Charlie Kirk]

The things we worried about back then were just like so insignificant.

[Jack]

I miss, I, I'll say this, I don't know if any of you guys remember this one. I miss new music Tuesdays. Does anyone else remember new music?

[Blake]

So that was when albums would release on Tuesdays.

[Jack]

Right.

[Blake]

I think games still released on Tuesdays a lot. They did. At least when I was a kid.

[Jack]

There's something.

[Blake]

Yes, but maybe that might have varied now too.

[Jack]

A group of music and it was always Tuesdays that would come out. So you used to have like these mini Black Friday type things where you'd go on. I guess people still kind of do it for games where you would come out for, you know, new music or you know, a new album was dropping. So back when music actually was like good. And because that being said, I did see Creed again this week so I'm.

[Charlie Kirk]

Trying to think of other rights of passage. Oh yeah, knowing the dial up sound is definitely a rite of passage. Like not having super fast Internet all the time.

[Jack]

Just having to sit. Remember waiting for websites to load.

[Charlie Kirk]

Do you remember asking friends for rides? Oh, Uber existing.

[Jack]

Wait, wait, Charlie. What about asking directions and having to know directions?

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, I got a dash. You guys keep talking. Happy Thanksgiving everybody. And you guys hold down the fort.

[Jack]

Happy Thanksgiving Charlie.

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[Charlie Kirk]

I I see that.

[Jack]

I did not realize Charlie was such a a Thanksgiving.

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