The Charlie Kirk Show, October 28, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – October 28, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: Andrew Colvett (Executive Producer)
Co-Hosts/Guests: Alex Marlowe (Editor-in-Chief, Breitbart), Charlie Kirk, Blake Neff, Rich Barris (People’s Pundit, pollster), Matt Walsh (The Matt Walsh Show)

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the pivotal moment facing America regarding domestic policy versus foreign intervention, the rising influence of immigrant and Muslim communities in U.S. politics, the role of welfare programs like SNAP, and their intersection with current political messaging. Special guests include pollster Rich Barris, who discusses voter perceptions on Trump’s administration, and Matt Walsh, who joins to discuss the pushback against Islamization and assimilation debates in America. Topics are approached with the show’s signature combative, populist, and critical tone toward both the political establishment and progressive policies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. America at an Inflection Point: Domestic Renewal vs. Foreign Entanglement

[06:06 – 13:05]

• The hosts argue America faces a stark choice: "grievance populism" (described as socialism/communism, exemplified by candidates like Zoran Mamdani), or "MAGA populism" (national renewal, American traditions).
• Long history of foreign policy “misadventures” has left domestic issues—cost of living, housing, economic opportunity—neglected.
• Importance of communicating policy priorities that directly impact Americans: “People are sick of foreign exploits, foreign adventurism. They’re sick of anything that takes their eyes off of … domestic peace and tranquility and economic thriving.” – Andrew Colvett [09:40]

2. Zoran Mamdani and the Changing Face of Urban Politics

[08:46 – 12:20]

• Discussion of NYC candidate Zoran Mamdani and his focus on local issues such as rent, buses, and grocery stores. Dismissed as “unworkable,” but credited for understanding voter sentiment.
• The rise of foreign-born populations is viewed as transforming New York: “You could now make the argument … that New York is no longer a truly American city. 40% are foreigners.” – Andrew Colvett [12:20]

Notable Exchange

• “You have two, two lanes. You’re either going to go grievance populism… or MAGA ... the other way is an unrecognizable hellscape, a hellhole that we probably would not be able to come back from.” – Andrew Colvett [13:06]

3. Polling Insights: The Call for a Domestic ‘Moonshot’

[31:44 – 41:02]

• Rich Barris explains voter fatigue with foreign policy: 52% believe Trump is focusing too much on the world, not enough on U.S.
• Top issues for voters: cost of living, inflation, jobs, health care, crime, immigration (in that order).
• Trump’s approval high on immigration, low on inflation/cost of living—now at “Biden level bad.” [36:48]
• Key insight: Many Trump voters are “Trump-only” voters who need compelling domestic focus to stay engaged.

Notable Quote

• “You have to convince them that [domestic policy is] your main focus. Even if you’re gaining ground, you need them to know that you’re focused on it.” – Rich Barris [40:59]

4. Messaging Battles: Blame Game Over SNAP/EBT and Government Shutdown

[21:27 – 28:00, 58:28 – 67:08]

• Coverage of the 2025 government shutdown and upcoming SNAP (food stamp) cutoff for 40M people.
• Viral social media threats of “national shoplifting day” if benefits are cut, feeding into broader narratives about dependency.
• Hosts insist Democrats to blame for tying the shutdown to “illegals’ health care funding.”
• Data on SNAP shows high foreign-born/illegal usage, provoking debate on welfare’s purpose and reform.

Notable Moments

• “They get a gigantic federal program to give them free money in return for doing nothing... or we’re going to go and steal a bunch from stores…” – Charlie Kirk [24:37]

5. Assimilation, Islam, and Identity

[81:19 – 104:09]

• Matt Walsh joins to discuss the Mehdi Hasan/Charlie Kirk feud over Islam in America.
• Strong arguments that immigrants, especially Muslims, are not assimilating or are even demanding Americans assimilate to them.
• Critique of multiculturalism: “Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country.” – Matt Walsh [86:22]
• Detailed pushback on the claim that “Muslims built this country.”
• Immigration compared unfavorably with previous eras: now, immigrants “come to live off the labor of actual Americans, to live off of the fruits of trees that they didn’t plant.” – Matt Walsh [91:29]

Notable Quotes

• “Islam does not assimilate. Islam conquers. Islam takes over. Islam devours. Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology.” – Charlie Kirk [96:09]
• “The crime of noticing, according to the liberal, is the crime of being a racist, bigot, racist, as Charlie used to always say.” – Andrew Colvett [103:55]

6. Listener Emails: Contrasting Realities

[67:08 – 67:59, 99:10 – 101:24]

• Listeners who depend on SNAP express hardship, worry about food insecurity, and question Trump’s priorities.
• Contrasts with others who see welfare dependency and immigrant welfare usage as evidence of systemic abuse or threat.
• Debate over who deserves benefits, and what reforms (if any) should look like.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Gen Z is not going to get a piece of the American dream. They're not going to buy in.” – Andrew Colvett [13:06]
• “Zoran is focusing on domestic issues. The American people are sick of foreign exploits...” – Andrew Colvett [09:39]
• “You have to convince them that that's your main focus. Even if you're gaining ground, you need them to know that you're focused on it.” – Rich Barris [40:59]
• “You’re either going to go grievance populism…or maga…The other way is an unrecognizable hellscape.” – Andrew Colvett [13:06]
• “Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country.” – Matt Walsh [86:22]
• “Islam does not assimilate. Islam conquers…It’s totalitarianism masked as a religion.” – Charlie Kirk [96:09]
• “Immigrants today … are coming to live in what has already been built, coming to take advantage of what has already been done, coming to be fed by us.” – Matt Walsh [91:29]
• “Is Islamophobia a real thing?” … “No, it's not. There's nothing irrational [about concern]... We're just looking at what these people believe and...drawing logical conclusions.” – Matt Walsh [103:34]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Topic | Key Guest(s) | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------| | 06:06 | America’s Inflection Point, Failure of Elites | Alex Marlowe, Colvett | | 31:44 | Rich Barris: Polling & Voter Mood on Trump | Rich Barris | | 58:28 | SNAP, EBT, Shoplifting Threats and Welfare Reform | Alex Marlowe, Colvett | | 81:19 | Islam, Assimilation and Political Demographics | Matt Walsh | | 96:09 | Charlie Kirk’s Riff on Islamic Immigration | Audio Clip | | 99:10 | Listener “David” Email: Reparations Argument | Matt Walsh response | | 103:34 | Islamophobia: Rational Concern or Not? | Matt Walsh |

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Memorable Moments

• Debate over whether New York is “still American” given foreign-born statistics ([12:20]).
• Hosts mock politicians for pandering to Muslim communities; discussion of the symbolism of the Muslim call to prayer vs. church bells ([82:48]).
• Heated anecdote about SNAP recipients threatening to shoplift on TikTok, used to frame arguments about welfare dependency ([24:37], [58:28]).
• Strong condemnation of the political class for the state of debt, cost of living, and the fiscal cliff ([73:55]).
• Emails from listeners—some on SNAP, some resentful about dependency—grounding show in real-life struggles ([67:08], [67:39]).

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Tone & Language

• Highly combative, populist, unapologetically critical of progressive/leftist policies.
• Emphasizes “real talk” and “calling out what others won’t.”
• Mix of sarcasm, mockery, and moments of serious policy analysis.
• Language often blends rhetorical flourish with explicit value judgments (e.g., “hellhole,” “imperialistic, parasitic ideology,” “not a real American city”).

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Summary

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show diagnoses America as being at a moment of crisis, forced to choose between a path of MAGA populism focused on patriotic renewal, and escalating left-wing (often immigrant-driven) grievance politics. The show critiques the political elite’s focus on foreign policy at the expense of domestic needs, especially as shown in voter polls. A special focus is given to government welfare programs and their intersection with American identity, dependence, and crime. The latter half features Matt Walsh directly challenging the mainstream narrative on Islam and assimilation, arguing fervently that America must reinforce its identity and values in the face of rising demands for multicultural accommodation. The show remains rooted in listener perspectives, framing its arguments as both policy analysis and a call to defend traditional Americanism.

Transcript

[Alex Marlowe]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[Blake Neff]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Alex Marlowe]

You can lose this country. No Bull. It's not the rule of law anymore.

[Blake Neff]

It's the rule of dawn.

[Alex Marlowe]

Right?

[Blake Neff]

He didn't give a about the law.

[Alex Marlowe]

This guy is wrecking this country.

[Blake Neff]

We have to understand these guys aren't around.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know they're not around.

[Alex Marlowe]

If I was Maduro, I'd head to Russia, China right now because his days are numbered.

[Blake Neff]

Something's going to happen.

[Alex Marlowe]

Whether it's internal or external, I think.

[Blake Neff]

Something'S going to happen.

[Andrew Colvett]

United States is going to be bombing all kinds of people with no evidence. This is murder and it is absolute unconstitutional all the way on a. The American people don't want this either.

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Is it radical to fight to abolish ice?

[Alex Marlowe]

An illegal alien from Nicaragua grabbed a woman on the north side.

[Blake Neff]

That's a question.

[Alex Marlowe]

Bashed her head into the sidewalk, knocked her unconscious and raped her. If that had been your wife's station. Okay, all right, we're not gonna answer.

[Blake Neff]

Thank you. Thanks. All right, let's, let's, let's move on. Let's move on.

[Alex Marlowe]

Tyler Avalos of Minnesota is accused of.

[Blake Neff]

Putting a 45 bounty on Bondi on Tick tock. Avalos has a lengthy criminal history, including stalking and domestic assault.

[Alex Marlowe]

He was convicted of stalking as recently.

[Blake Neff]

As July of 2022. Now he's got a five page federal affidavit against him.

[Andrew Colvett]

I haven't suggested that Donald Trump is Hitler.

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I wouldn't, I don't think any Democrat has. I actually, and I, and I think.

[Jillian Barbery]

It'S a, it's a mirror that they project back on to critics.

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But I, J.D.

[Andrew Colvett]

Vance, called Donald Trump cultural heroine. The most brutal critiques have come from people that have seen him far more closely than you or I combined. We have to make clear that when.

[Blake Neff]

The boot of the NYPD is on your neck, it's been laced by the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Idea there is a lot of hate in this country for Muslims. There's a lot of hate in this country for black people, especially black women. And there is a lot of hate, severe hate for immigrants.

[Blake Neff]

Our government responded to 911 by apologizing to Muslims and then importing millions of them into our cities and letting them build their mosques and blast their call to prayer over the loudspeakers at five in the morning. That's the kind of persecution they've endured, the persecution of being welcomed here and given literally everything they want with virtually no pushback whatsoever. And for all that effort, we don't even get so much as A thank.

[Alex Marlowe]

You for new hires, we require a diversity statement.

[Terrence Bates]

And these rubrics say things like, you.

[Alex Marlowe]

Have deep knowledge of the DEI in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Order to get a high rating on all of this.

[Blake Neff]

Funny these.

[Terrence Bates]

I am convinced I would not be.

[Alex Marlowe]

Hired if I applied today. There's just no way they want you. I'll give you an example of something they'll ask you. What have you done specifically for black students in your teaching?

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm supposed to say what I've done specifically for black students.

[Alex Marlowe]

Otherwise I'm not working towards equity.

[Blake Neff]

The online voter registration system, it seems.

[Alex Marlowe]

To be an honor system.

[Blake Neff]

Anybody can put information in there to register to vote.

[Alex Marlowe]

All you have to do is click.

[Rich Barris]

A box and say that you're not lying.

[Blake Neff]

And then you'll get an email from the Secretary of state or something in.

[Alex Marlowe]

The mail saying thank you for registering to vote.

[Terrence Bates]

And there you are.

[Alex Marlowe]

Once you're on the voter rolls, anytime.

[Blake Neff]

An election comes around, guess what? You get mailed a ballot.

[Alex Marlowe]

You know that Gavin Newsom has really been worried about running against Kamala Harris in California. He avoided it for decades. He thinks that she had her turn and now he's ready to get on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Board and but wow, they both say, like it's going to be an ugly.

[Alex Marlowe]

Fight if they get into the race together. They both know each other's secrets.

[Andrew Colvett]

Eric Swalwell is demanding that any 2028 Democratic candidate vow vowed to destroy President.

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump's East Wing ballroom project.

[Andrew Colvett]

Can we just appreciate the irony and all of this will, that you have the entire Democrat Party who told us for the better part of a week, right, that President Trump was destroying the White House.

[Rich Barris]

What goes through your mind when you see the East Wing completely demolished?

[Andrew Colvett]

You don't just tear down a building. This is not his house. This house belongs to us. It's the people's house.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why not have a nice ballroom? And by the way, while we're at.

[Andrew Colvett]

It, I'd love, and I do love.

[Charlie Kirk]

The fact that it was trending this.

[Alex Marlowe]

Weekend that one of the names that was suggested for this is the Charles J. Kirk Ballroom.

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[Alex Marlowe]

Every day there's a battle for your.

[Andrew Colvett]

Mind raging information coming from every angle.

[Alex Marlowe]

With the will to deceive.

[Andrew Colvett]

Fear not, you found the place for truth.

[Alex Marlowe]

The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up.

[Blake Neff]

Here we go.

[Alex Marlowe]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett here, executive producer of this fine show, joined today again by Alex Marlowe, editor in chief of Breitbart News, also host of the Alex Marlowe Show. Thanks for joining us.

[Alex Marlowe]

I really enjoy being here. This is a very high, high frequency, fast paced working environment that I crave.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is.

[Andrew Colvett]

And you have a high paced, fast frequency or whatever. High frequency, fast paced. Yeah, whatever. The order is job as well. I mean, Alex is here, you know, doing stories for Breitbart literally while we're, while we're doing the show. But it's good, it's good show prep.

[Alex Marlowe]

So, so this is a flashback because I've been in the captain's chair hosting for the shows I've been on for the last, I don't know, I guess six or seven years. But before then I had another five or six years where I was in the co pilot seat with Steve Bannon. He called me the wingman hosting Breitbart News Daily. And he would host and I would maybe get in 15 to 20 good minutes of a three hour show where I was actually a part of the show and the rest of the time I was just doing my job and he was just sitting and it comforted him to watch me type and assign stories while I was in his presence.

[Andrew Colvett]

And you get to do this all over again now, Alex, because I actually saw you doing it yesterday. I was like, I know he's working on stories. It's a good show prep, though. And of course, Blake Neff, our not so secretary weapon here. So here's what's funny. I have to give Blake a little shout out yesterday because you predicted, yes, Zoron's mom, Donnie's, his response to this. My Aunt faced all of this.

[Charlie Kirk]

The real tragedy, it made Zoran Mamdani's aunt feel uncomfortable on the subway. It was basically the worst atrocity in American history. It was worse than slavery, worse than.

[Andrew Colvett]

Worse than the almost 3,000 people that lost their lives on 911.

[Charlie Kirk]

She got the ick while on the subway.

[Alex Marlowe]

I gotta tell you guys, I had a sort of a nightmare last night. I was in a bus, and I was about to get hit by a giant wave. This is probably something someone can psychoanalyze this. My whole family was in the car. All my children. And then I woke up and I thought, wow, I'm just like Zo Ram Mamdani's aunt in the bus. Like, that was the real.

[Andrew Colvett]

You were taking public transportation and you. Yeah, exactly.

[Charlie Kirk]

Run for mayor.

[Alex Marlowe]

That's. Yeah, I've got my whole narrative now.

[Andrew Colvett]

So. So that. So Zoran is now saying, wait, wait, wait. It wasn't my aunt. It was actually just a distant cousin. But, like, the point still stands. Play cut 145. I was speaking about my aunt. I was speaking about Zarafui. My father's cousin sadly passed away a few years ago. Oh, so she's dead.

[Charlie Kirk]

We can't even check.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we can't. We can't fact check.

[Charlie Kirk]

Maybe she was killed by, like, the hatred broke her heart.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, maybe it was Daniel Penny on the public transportation. Yes. Or something. It was. Must have been some mean white man.

[Alex Marlowe]

You know, there's a serious way to do the segment where we just spend the next half an hour reading all the names of all the people who died. 9, 11. And then Joran thinks the real victim is a fake aunt who is really sort of a cousin. He's not even totally sure. But I didn't follow that description completely. And it just shows you the obscene nature of the dishonesty of the campaign.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, it's. It's. It's absurd. But here's. We're going to get to this. Later in the hour. We're actually going to have Rich Barris on. I. I saw the segment Rich did with Steve Bannon. People were passing her. I was like. I called Rich immediately. I was like, rich, we need to do this. I wasn't planning on doing this today, but we need to do this. It is the key. And this is what I think. You know, we could mock Zoramdani all we want, and goodness gracious, does. Does he deserve it? But the truth is, is that he has been doing one thing very, very well. And it's a lesson for all of US Conservatives that support Trump, that support maga, that support conservative populism, all of these things is that Zoran is focusing on domestic issues. The American people are sick of foreign exploits, foreign adventurism. They're sick of anything that takes their eyes off of the prize, which is domestic peace and tranquility and thriving economic particularly. And Zoron's been talking about what? Rent control, free buses, grocery stores, which will all fail. All. They are unworkable. They are a laughingstock. They are not a serious proposal. They will fail. They will end in destruction. They will end in absolute catastrophe. That's not the point. The point is, what is he talking about?

[Alex Marlowe]

Right?

[Andrew Colvett]

And he's gotten one good thing accomplished in his campaign, and that is. It goes back to this idea of the question he was asked in the debate, like, where are you going to go to Israel? He goes, no, I'm going to stay right here. Which was completely.

[Alex Marlowe]

Don't blow through that point too fast. That was the moment I thought he would win. Is that the whole debate crowd? This is when it was a real jungle primary and they're all announcing emphatically which country I'll go to. Cuomo said he'd go to Israel. What did Eric Adams say? I don't even remember who.

[Andrew Colvett]

I can't even remember what he said.

[Alex Marlowe]

The point is, and I know this personally as a Los Angeles native, the shock of Karen Bass when the city burned down, that she was in Africa and showing you that she used the LA mayorship, where she's supposed to be keeping people safe, helping people thrive in her city, that instead of doing that, she was using it to not make herself even a national figure, an international figure. She's using the mayorship of L. A to go to Africa so she can hobnob. And Zoran's like, no, no, I'm not doing any of that. I'm staying in New York. That's the exact type of stuff people want to hear. It's just true.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, it's absolutely. He 100.

[Charlie Kirk]

He 100% won the communication game, especially during the Democratic primary, when they reasonably could have stopped him. Stopped him. Well, with a better candidate, with better messaging. And instead, they badly misplayed it. And they essentially thought we could. They could basically say, well, Zoran Mandani doesn't like Israel. Which turns out that is not a good play. With, as people are discovering, there's a lot of people who actually really dislike Israel in New York now due to our immigration policy.

[Andrew Colvett]

There's another point that we're Gonna get to. We also have Matt Walsh coming up an hour too. But Matt Walsh has pointed this out, others have pointed this out, that New York is essentially 40% foreign born population. Mom, Donnie is absolutely cooking with foreigners. If you are foreign and you have the right to vote, allegedly in New York, you're supporting him at a clip of like 65, 70%. I mean, the guy is running away with foreign born voters. You could now make the argument at 40% foreign born that New York is no longer a truly American city. 40% are foreigners. Now the left will say we love immigrants. That makes it even more American. They love America more. They're more patriotic than America. Don't you know that foreigners are more American than America?

[Alex Marlowe]

They built this country, they built that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Muslims built this country. This is what they're saying. So anyways, this is one interesting piece though that we got to keep our eyes on as we're looking at this race. Because again, people, you have to understand in front of us, we have two, two lanes. You're either going to go grievance populism, which is essentially socialism, into communism with Mamdani Magione, or you're going to go maga, which is conservative national populism, which is national renewal, which is patriotism. Those are the two routes. The establishment is so screwed the pooch in this country, economically, culturally, civically, that there is now at a crisis point. There is an inflection point in our country where we're either going to go this way or we're going to go this way. There's only two options. The MAGA way is, is the American way. You still have the rule of law, the Constitution, patriotism, the American flag. You still get, you know, apple pie and baseball. The other way is, is a unrecognizable hellscape, a hellhole that we probably would not be able to come back from. Although I never bet against America, I'll say that, but, but here, this is a really big deal. And why are we at this inflection point? Because we have as a country over the last 40 years pursued foreign interventions. We, we've spent money on blood, sand and death. We've inflated our currency, we've debased it. We've spent deficits that are eye watering and we have left the business of domestic policy to the side. We have ignored it. We have not pursued it in earnest and with vigor. And this is ultimately, this is the Charlie Kirk show. This is ultimately what Charlie's message was. We have to have an economic moonshot. We are in a race against the clock, we are either going to deliver on the promises that Trump was elected on or we are going to ignore them and get distracted by infighting or whatever. And Gen Z is not going to get a piece of the American dream. They're not going to buy in. But I just want to before we go to break, I want to play this one clip. This is going to be from Mark Halpern. He's saying that there is at least one more, let's say, surprise coming in the Mamdani race. 134 I inform Spidey senses we're going to see at least one more piece of pretty significant opposition research dropped in this race here at the end that will potentially shake things up on one of the candidates. Of course on Mondami, I think.

[Blake Neff]

Will it have a effect on on the outcome?

[Andrew Colvett]

If it's what I'm told it is, it would happen. If so, that is from Mark Halperin who is a friend of the show.

[Alex Marlowe]

Why would someone sit on it too late? They're voting.

[Charlie Kirk]

They could have some.

[Alex Marlowe]

All the hot young women are voting. I hope you've been on Twitter.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll be right back.

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[Charlie Kirk]

They built the building of exactly one major building in New York City.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're terrible. But you're, but you're factual.

[Alex Marlowe]

It is accurate.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're going to be back radio stations across the country in about seven seconds. Hang it. Hang right there. We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett here, executive producer of this show. Alex Marlowe, host of the Alex Marlowe show and editor chief of Breitbart. So please check out Breitbart. I go to it multiple times a day. Thank you. And Blake Neff as well. So I think I want to take this because it's all related. It's all related. We are being told by Mehdi Hasan that Mehdi Hasan, by the Way. I don't know if we have this graphic ready, but he called Charlie a bigot and a racist who spread hate. And we're gonna get into that with Matt Walsh. So I don't want to completely go into the topic, but I'm keeping my powder dry to go after Mehdi Hassan because I don't like him. Candidly. If you're gonna call my friend a racist and a bigot and hurl these insults, you can go pound sand about a thousand times. You can move away, you can go back to your real home, which is some Muslim scape, namely London. I think that's very smart. But we're gonna get there in just a bit. But there is this, like, it feels like a re. I don't know, emergence, an ascendancy of this online chatter about black and brown people basically saying that we are under assault and that the big MAGA people are so racist and all this stuff. And now because the government shut, they are not getting their ebt, or at least that is. That is coming. And a lot of people on TikTok are sounding off about this. And there's even been a new Twitter X account created called EBT of TikTok, EBT of TikTok. And they are threatening a national day, a national shoplifting day, I guess, is, you know, to make up for this, this coming apocalypse that's coming. So we have a smattering of these clips just to give you taste. Play cut 177. Okay, we don't have 177. It's in there. Maybe we can get it loaded.

[Alex Marlowe]

So here's what's fascinating about this conversation to me, because whenever we have the Democrats cause a government shutdown, there's all these downstream effects and they assume Republicans can get blamed for it. It's really the Democrats that are doing this. They won't fund a clean cr, so it's their fault. So if these are Democrat voters, we should remind all these voters that, hey, we're only here because of the Democrats. And if you look at this, I was pulling up the numbers before the show today that food stamps are about 12% of U.S. grocery sales and they're way over indexed for sugary drinks, cereals, frozen, frozen foods, salty snacks, candy by volume. It's way out of proportion. So it's important every so often to have a national conversation where we bring that up that the government money is being taken, confiscated from the taxpayers at gunpoint, is being given out so that you could buy, you know, candy and salty snacks. And it's important to know that that's not a great thing. But overall if you're the person who thinks it is a good thing then you know that the Democrats got us here and so we can have both of those conversations simultaneously. That I do think that they should be on the Democrats and they should be the ones who should bear the brunt of any political fallout if people can't get their candy rations.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think it's as simple as this is that they lost the election. Now they are feeling the heat from their left flank. And so now the establishment leadership Democrats are fighting. They're trying to prove to their base, their AOC wing of the party that they are fighting their Mamdani wing of the party. And so they're just gonna drag the country through this shutdown because they hate the fact that they lost an election. And by the way they passed a clean CR earlier and it all goes down to this aca, this Obama subsidies. You know, it's like. It's like their minds are blown that there is a health care program in policy in this country where a lot of people get healthcare that can't afford it. So other people have to subsidize it which costs a lot of money because healthcare is expensive. And they also are making certain carve outs for refugees or temporary, you know, asylum seekers or protected status. All of these things. And of course that costs money. And the Republicans said hey, it's going to cost a lot of money. We're not going to extend these subsidies forever. And so the, you know, the bill is coming due and the Democrats are freaking out and they're. They're crime victim. But here's, here's the deal. The SNAP benefits are hilarious because now TikTok is just full of a bunch of people that are just openly admitting that they're going to now steal. 177 we have it loaded. When are y' all going to go and snap? If they can take away these snaps, these SNAP benefits.

[Terrence Bates]

When is we snapping?

[Andrew Colvett]

When is the day? When are we snapping? When we snapping? Because don't have me going in the grocery store and y' all loading up your carts with groceries running out. And I'm at the register. I'm running too. I'm running too. They're just openly admitting it. Let's go ahead and play. 178 we got. We got a bunch of these examples. 178 yeah. I told y' all with or without EBT.

[Rich Barris]

Me and mine gonna eat.

[Andrew Colvett]

Clock it.

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[Andrew Colvett]

We gonna eat. So Blake, this feels like A We got 45 seconds here. But this feels like now we're just at the phase where we're openly admitting shopping.

[Charlie Kirk]

Why can't we just say like okay, so they get a gigantic federal program to give them free money in return for doing nothing and they're going to extort you and say if we don't give us more free stuff in return for doing nothing, for being fat lumps of crap, we're going to go and steal a bunch from stores which we already essentially don't punish. Because God forbid we punish people who commit crimes and break laws. And as a result you have countless cities in the US have the toothpaste and the deodorant behind a freaking locked door because otherwise people steal them all of the time.

[Alex Marlowe]

And not to mention how many foreigners, even illegally aliens getting SNAP benefits. And they're demanding that and we pay or we're going to rip off the stores.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Let.

[Terrence Bates]

Tax Network USA help before the IRS makes the next move. Topping your headlines, President Trump in Japan meeting with US Troops and sailors. His new Japanese counterpart, Senay Takeyachi, joined him for at least one of his stops this morning. The commander in Chief using the photo op to praise Takeachi.

[Andrew Colvett]

Going to go down as one of the great prime ministers you watch. Thank you.

[Terrence Bates]

Also on 47's agenda today, meeting with business leaders there in Japan. Monday's bilateral meeting between the United States and Japanese delegations also marked the first face to face meeting between President Trump and the new prime minister.

[Andrew Colvett]

I will say that this will be a relationship that will be stronger than ever before and I look forward to working with you and on behalf of our country. I want to just let you know anytime you have any, any question, any doubt, anything you want, any favors you.

[Alex Marlowe]

Need, anything I can do to help.

[Andrew Colvett]

Japan, we will be there. We are an ally at the strongest level.

[Terrence Bates]

By the way, Prime Minister Takeyachi is Japan's first ever woman prime minister. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Blake Neff]

We will not comply. You're listening to the Sound of Freedom.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's the Charlie Kirk Show. History, economics, the great works of literature. Did you study these things in school? I sort of did. Alex, did you set, did you have a good, proper education?

[Alex Marlowe]

I tried to be well rounded.

[Andrew Colvett]

You did.

[Alex Marlowe]

I was like, I was like Charlie. Yeah. No, I was like Charlie, but like about 110 of the intensity, which was really, really intense.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, exactly. I feel the same. But here's what is so great about that. This was, people don't realize, like Charlie actually took the Hillsdale online courses seriously and he got a lot out of them.

[Alex Marlowe]

I know I should not cut in on the ads, but this is so good. Dr. Arn's speech at the memorial where he talked about how Charlie did 31 online courses at Hillsdale. That's been ringing in my brain since I heard that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Legitimately, very, very good.

[Alex Marlowe]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

These are like real academic brains, really smart people that present it, and it's very, very good. So anyways, Hillsdale College is offering more than 40 free online courses. Charlie actually wanted to take all 40, including their newest course on totalitarian novels. In this free eight lecture course, you'll learn from Hillsdale College president Larry Arn. He's actually gonna be in the studio today. We're gonna have an interview where he pre taped some stuff with him. He goes in depth on these four novels. 1984, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon, and that Hideous Strength. Even though these novels were written in the 30s and 40s, they are highly relevant today. My goodness, are they got Mom, Donny Ism on the rise and all that, all that stuff. More importantly, they can show us that faith, family and friends are worth fighting for. Maybe you read these books a long time ago in school. Maybe you've heard others talk about them and they seem a little intimidating. They don't have to be. Let Hillsdale College walk you through them and get the most out of them. Go right now to CharlieForHillsdale.com to enroll. That's CharlieForHillsdale.comto enroll. C H A R L I e for hillsdale.com check it out. So I am very excited about this. I think it's one of the most important. If you tune out everything else today, I want you to be completely focused on this moment. Of course, don't tune anything else out. So the whole show is important, but please focus on this. We have Rich Barris, Big Data Poll, the people's Pundit on X. Rich, you're joining us now because I called you literally on the way to the studio and I was like, brother, this is the most critical insight that I have seen basically since the election. You did a great interview with Steve Bannon on War Room this morning. Shout out to Steve. But this is critically important. And it is this bifurcation of our focus that seems as old as time, especially within the gop, between foreign policy and domestic issues. Walk us through this. I've got the graphs ready. I'll put them up when you call for them.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, Andrew, thanks as always for having me on. Look, the Republican Party has got a snap out of what they're in right now. And, you know, I've learned in the last couple of weeks that the left is not the only one who can be in a bubble. And actually, it's more than a couple of weeks. But, you know, if you talk to people in and around Congress, you know, they think everything's swimming and magical. And even people in the administration, the fact of the matter is the voter does not. So they are giving Trump. And your opening was fire because they're giving Trump a lot of grace. They would never give another Republican president because he's Donald Trump and he's different. And that's something Republicans are just gonna have to grapple with. You're just not going to be able to mirror that kind of love that he has from these voters. So they're giving him a lot of grace, but they are screaming at this point that Trump was not elected to focus all over the world like this. And a lot of people, there are different elements in administration. It's the way the administration's work. They're always trying to fight for the presidency years the voter wants the administration to refocus on domestic issues. And it's very important that people understand that there is. And yeah, I mean, if you put the graphic up, you're going to see it's a majority, it's 52%, roughly, who say the Trump administration is focusing too much on foreign affairs and wants, wants them to, you know, to recommit to the domestic agenda.

[Andrew Colvett]

Exactly. So that purple on the, on the, I guess the right side of your screen. Right, Rich, that's the people that say the Trump administration is focusing too much on foreign policy.

[Rich Barris]

That's right. And it's worse when you look inside of who is saying this, Andrew, because of course, you're going to get some Democrats who are just going to try to pick, you know, whatever they think will make Trump look the worst in the poll. Right. That's not what's going on here. If you look at the independents, specifically who we call them MAGA independents, they only vote for Donald Trump. Their vote history is basically 24, maybe 2024, 2016. Right. And then they disappear from elections Every other time when Donald Trump is not on the ballot. They did not, they did not vote for Trump. Again, for foreign entanglements and all of this focus. And I understand, you know, you and I, we do this for a living, so we understand the president's job a lot has to deal with foreign policy. But there is a point in any administration where you can get, I mean, bifurcated is a nicer word, but you could just flatly get distracted with foreign affairs and forget that the country has much more interest in solving domestic issues. No matter how important, you know, the peace deal in the Middle east is. Right. Or whatever's going on with Israel or how important the Russo Ukrainian war is in Eastern Ukraine, which, by the way, he told them he would end in 48 hours. No matter how important any of that stuff is, you're never going to convince the voter that it's more important than their ability to buy eggs and at the grocery store.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is a mortgage.

[Rich Barris]

I mean, this is why Mamdani is winning.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is exactly right. So Mamdani has a bunch of fairytales that he's pitching out to the New York voter voting electorate, which by the way is like 40% foreign born. So they just want free stuff off the American taxpayers back. I get it. I get their motivation. But he is doing one thing right and that he's talking about affordability. He's talking about the kitchen table issues. Right? So let's show me. I'm going to put up this one. This is 181. It's a complicated, a little bit of a complicated graph. Rich Boyle, 181 down for us. What are we looking at here? Because this is like, please rank each issue from most to least important to your vote. And right at the top, cost of living, inflation, economy, jobs.

[Rich Barris]

Way ahead, Andrew. Way ahead. So this is called rank distribution. And we'll do this when we identify the top 10 issues that people are telling us about. We'll tell them to rank them and the reason we do this, instead of just giving what most pollsters do, a multiple choice response, they'll have to pick their number one and that's it. Maybe the economy or inflation comes in at like 25%. The economy comes in at 20. Right. That doesn't give you as much insight as a ranked distribution does. So what we're telling them to do is rank it, like you said, from most to least important, 1 through 10. And it gives us a better understanding of three issues, four issues, five issues that are driving people's. What, you know, driving people's decision in who they're going to vote for, what they're prioritizing.

[Andrew Colvett]

This graph, this graph is so is, is like freaking everything. I don't know how to like, I just, it's so critically important. Top five issues, cost of living, inflation, economy, jobs. Number three, health care, Obamacare. Number four, crime and safety. Number five, immigration. Border security. By the way, just one small pet peeve that I have with immigration and border security is that when Joe Biden was president, it was a complete, you know, chaos at the border. Millions of people, these videos were going everywhere and that was ranking almost as the top issue. As soon as President Trump fixes it, people forget about it. And falls off the cliff. It's just a crazy issue.

[Rich Barris]

Know that this is what I've been.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, it happens. It happened in Trump 1.0. It happened in Trump 1.0. He got, he got zero credit when it came to 2020 for that because he'd largely taken care of it. It was still an issue more so than it is now. But the fact that he has been so. It has been such a decisive and historic achievement on the border. Our attention spans are so short that it's, it goes away. It's like it didn't even happen.

[Rich Barris]

It's a sad commentary on the American voter and how they make rational policy choices. But, but that is the case. And the same thing would happen if there was an economic crisis and then he came in and he economic crisis. It would fall as well. Like the economy would fall as, as, you know, as being prioritized in how they're going to vote. It's the way, it's the nature of things. I will say this, though. When we asked his approval about issues, he gets good marks. The best marks he gets is on immigration. So they are giving him credit for it. I think that's probably why his approval rating has not fallen more than what we have it now, which is in the mid-40s. But he gets good marks on immigration and after that is foreign policy. But guys, if you look at the approval rating on inflation and cost of living, I'm going to say this. It doesn't give me any pleasure to say it, but it's true and I have to say it. It's Biden level bad. He is now at Biden level approval when it comes to do you approve or disapprove of how he's doing his job in president with each of the following issues. And we ask about inflation and cost of living. It's abysmal. The numbers are horrible, Andrew. And yet he's still, you know, he's still only negative a few points because I think people are remembering, look, he didn't get that great of a situation. But my point is this now. And I started to, you know, raise this flag when everything started with the bombing of Iran. This happens with administrations. It's very difficult to remain focused on what it is you were elected to do. And let me put it this way, people, especially these MAGA only or Trump or bust voters, we'll call them sometimes they believe that Donald Trump being reelected is literally this country's last chance before we go past the point of no return. So we pass the event horizon with the dead. Or we pass the event horizon with immigration, or we pass the event horizon, which is so many other problems that we have in this society. We simply cannot correct them. So it's not that they didn't support, you know, the, you know, getting rid of Iran's nuclear weapons. It's not. It's not. It doesn't have to be one or the other. The issue for them is, what about us?

[Blake Neff]

We did.

[Rich Barris]

Do we or do we not come first, like you're saying, is literally America first. And yet their last chance, they feel, is being gobbled up by the interests of other people and other nations. So if they don't refocus, Andrew, this is going to be so.

[Andrew Colvett]

And this. Blake and I were having this debate before we started the show, and I was like, well, you know, the inflation is cooling. The, you know, the numbers are cooling the market, stock market, but people don't care about the stock market like they used to. Like, Trump can't go around being like, oh, the market's up.

[Alex Marlowe]

It didn't work in 2020. He talked nonstop about people don't own much in stocks.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, no, absolutely. So what. What do. What's the. The answer then? So inflation is cooling, but he's still getting clobbered on cost of living and inflation. So what, as I tried.

[Rich Barris]

As I tried, I think, to explain one minute. Yeah. Is that. It's some, some of this. I think a lot of this is just about optics.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Rich Barris]

So. And if you look at the White House schedule, since, I mean, you can go back to that conflict, that military exercise, go and look at the White House schedule, Andrew, and you'll see that they're clearly prioritizing foreign over domestic. It's just true. So when the voters are yelling, you know, in my ear about it, it's hard to argue with them. It's optics. I mean, what are you talking about? Every day, you know, I mean, they repeatedly step on their own message and their own success. I mean, it's just the truth. It's. You have to. You have to convince them that that's your main focus. Even if you're gaining ground, you.

[Alex Marlowe]

You would need.

[Rich Barris]

You need them to know that you're focused on it.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think you're right. I think they need. I think Trump is the expert of this. He could pivot quickly if this got through his head, because what you then start doing, you start commissioning. Like, you know, obviously it would be the Hoover Dam, but something like that. Some big, huge domestic, you know, big. What do they call it? The big hairy bold ideas or whatever like these, these big audacious ideas that only Trump could inspire people to believe was possible. Big visual landmark achievements that are here that are monuments that work that help make people's lives better. We gotta come up with stuff like this to reinspire the population. Rich, I'm going to keep you on just for a little bit. Hang right there. First, I got to tell you about Patriot Mobile. Listen, we here at the Charlie Kirk show, we realize there's a lot of options out there, but there's really only one option because there's only one company that supports your values. Christian conservative wireless company that takes the money that you spend on that company to get your wireless service that you know you need. With the three major networks, by the way, you don't no sacrificing a quality or service, but it takes that money, their profit. And then they're going to roll it into groups like Turning Point usa. They're going to support pro life initiatives, pro second amendment issues. They're going to support our first responders and our veterans. So that is Patriot Mobile. You got to go to patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot. Make the switch today. Use promo code Charlie for a free month of service. Patriot mobile.com Charlie patriotmobile.com Charlie for a free month of service you get to keep your phone, keep your number or upgrade your phone. You can do that too. All with American based customer service support. You're going to love it. Patriotmobile.com Charlie More with Rich Barris in just a second. We'll be right back.

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[Alex Marlowe]

Letting everyone know socialism sucks.

[Blake Neff]

The Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So, Rich, I'm going to read you some emails here. Blake's going to pull some up, but I see one from Debbie. She goes, I'm watching Rich Barris. Trump can multitask and that's what he's doing. He's going around the world to make the United States the strongest and get us the best deals. The fruits of his labor will be coming in the next year. He has not forgotten about us. He is 100% balls to the wall multitasking. So I disagree with them. I guess him is what she's saying. Do you, is there time to correct? I mean, we've got a midterms. I mean, this is just the politics of it. We have time to do, we have time to correct.

[Rich Barris]

Look, I mean, it's not disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with the voters that we surveyed. I'm only conveying the opinion of the voters. And to tell you, I mean, the bottom line is that sounds like a core Trump voter. That's not the problem and that's not what wins elections. Of course, you need to get your base out. But there is specifically a slice of the electorate that has only been voting for Donald Trump, that Republicans, it should be their number one job on planet Earth right now should be to convince these voters to stay Republican. It's the reason why Mike Rogers lost in Michigan but Donald Trump won. It's the reason why Dave McCormick barely held on the skin of his teeth while Donald Trump won easily. Those are the voters you have to really.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree. We're going to welcome back national radio in three seconds. Stay right there. We're going to continue with Rich. All right, email us freedomarliekirk.com freedom charliekirk.com we're taking your emails. Rich Barris. So I get another email here. I watched Bannon with Rich and I'm glad you're bringing it to this audience. I totally agree. The way people voted on Rich, basically it was on domestic issues and low interest on abortion. That's another insight, by the way, from your, your, this graph that abortion came in last, which is fascinating. But so what they're going to do now, Democrats are pivoting from abortion to health care. Don't you think, Alex?

[Alex Marlowe]

Yeah, I think, I think they, they definitely do that. But I want to go back to inflation for a second because inflation's down big, big league. And we were told it was going to go up because of tariffs and is not gone up. It's gone down significantly. And this is since Trump's been president and it would be up, it would be down more. Aside from he hasn't been a president for a year, so he's still getting boned by some of the worst Biden spending spree at the end. But no one's telling the story. Of course, the establishment media is never gonna tell the story. And then in conservative media, we're spending a lot of time fighting amongst ourselves these days. We're not gonna write the story. So this really important media story as well, that's happening here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Mm, Rich.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, I agree with that. I 100% agree with that. There is a lagging effect. When voters begin to feel what we see in economic indicators, it does lag. Sometimes there is an argument that people make and they're, you know, it's a strong argument, but again, I think then it's incumbent on Republicans, it's incumbent on the White House. Trump drives the message, right? The White House drives the message. It's incumbent on them to tell that story. Andrew, on several days, Let me just say this real quick, on several days of those CPI reports, they've stepped on their own good news.

[Alex Marlowe]

Yes, very good point.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree. So one of the suggestions from Terry is could we deploy JD Vance domestically to sort of be that domestic messenger, or does it have to come from Trump? Is that what you're saying?

[Rich Barris]

I mean, I'm, I mean, I'm trying on that front. I've had the same idea and I'm trying, but I do think that Trump remains the strongest. You know, it's not just him as a personality. Part of it is the role that the president plays. You know, he's not exactly a head holder, you know, I mean, and, or a handholder, you know, so we had this idea of the seasick Voter back in 2020. Of course, it was the media rocking the boat. But Trump isn't. He's just not him. It's not who he is. The great consoler in chief. Right. Some presidents have been that way. He's got is. There's more, you know, machismo there than, than there is in prior presidents who do things like that. So I don't think they need that. I just think they need to, they need to think or they need to know that that is Trump's number one focus. Like Andrew, the days of I feel your pain, I hear your voice, right? That is nowhere existent right now. And people are feeling pain. I'm telling you, in peer to peer interviews, conducting this poll, people were sending back grocery store memes I mean, that doesn't happen to pollsters, guys. All right? So people were so whatever you want to call this, they're, they're so passionate about this. They're literally tweeting or text or texting back to the agents on the other end. They're literally texting them memes about prices, the grocery stores.

[Alex Marlowe]

This is super important because it's not just a media story. I think largely this is a media story. But this is important point Rich is making because you can definitely feel it, that the people still feel like we're getting screwed, squeezed at the grocery store too much. That's a really tough battle, and it's one that does need a lot more of a priority because Americans, it doesn't matter who's president. If you feel the pains of the grocery store, you're not going to be happy with your life. It's just a flat out fact.

[Charlie Kirk]

I guess. I guess when I think of Trump's approval ratings, like we're talking about whether he needs to be the messenger. Has Trump ever really been a strong messenger outside of his base? I feel like Trump has always been strongest as president. I feel when the story is least about him, and I feel like his personal disposition is such that he, he doesn't ever like being out of the spotlight yet. I think his administration has often come off the strongest when the story is not, you know, what Trump said on Truth, what Trump said on X, what the latest thing Trump did that is causing controversy. A lot of people just really like his core policies, whether it's on trade or on international affairs. And when those are the story, and he's actually a bit in the background, I think he's at a strong.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I actually, I do agree with that, just from a messaging standpoint, Trump, but Trump does, you know, it's, it's the Trump show. We're all, we're all, we're all in the Trump show. We're all, we're all in the train. We can't get off. So, Rich, I do have a question. We've got one, actually, about 40 seconds left here on what Blake mentioned. Trade. How is that factoring into the tariffs, all that stuff really quick. Rich Barris.

[Rich Barris]

Yeah, I actually, I mean, people who dislike Trump are going to bring up stuff like the tariffs and their impact on inflation without on even knowing or understanding that what was just said before is actually true, that inflation has cooled and that the big, you know, Chicken Little, the sky is falling, you know, predictions over the impact tariffs would have on it. It just never came true. Right? So again, I think it's coming down to this, guys, you know, and I actually do agree with Blake, you know, that background is better, but next time he steps to the microphone, more about domestic, less about foreign policy. That's all they hear from him.

[Andrew Colvett]

Simple as that's all they hear. Rich Barris, the people's pundit. Check him out. He's the best. We thank you, Rich. We'll see you again soon, man.

[Charlie Kirk]

Email all the best, Charlie Kirk.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, email us [e-mail] we'll be back for hour two in just a sec.

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[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. All right, folks, let's just have an honest conversation here. Americans are getting crushed by debt these days. And when you're buried in credit card and loan debt, it's really easy to try to put it all off and think, well, I'll just deal with it later. Not such a good idea. If you wait, you could end up missing out. In fact, the experts at Done with Debt discovered a brand new strategy that can dramatically reduce or even eliminate your debt. But it only works right now. Jillian Barbery joins me now to explain how it does work and how it could potentially benefit you. Jillian, good morning.

[Jillian Barbery]

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[Terrence Bates]

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[Jillian Barbery]

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[Terrence Bates]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. A lot of you guys are emailing us about the SNAP benefits because we did the EBT snap videos from TikTok of all the, the ladies that are threatening to just have a national shoplifting day, which is really interesting. So basically you've got. We're in the 28th day of the shutdown. Come November 1st, SNAP benefit benefits will terminate for more than 4, 40 million people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Blake, that's already raising eyebrows. I think a lot of people, you know, 40 million, it's a lot.

[Alex Marlowe]

And how many Americans are the 42 million?

[Charlie Kirk]

And it is more people who are on it. I think the rate for people who are naturalized citizens is higher than for native born American citizens. A lot of illegals get it because if you have an anchor baby in America, you can receive snap. And it's an important thing to remember where people food stamps, when we call them food stamps or SNAP or whatever, it's basically a psyop because they'll say like, oh, you can only use it on necessities, but everyone does need to eat. And so it's essentially just a cash welfare program because money that you get for this can go to other things. People sell their SNAP benefits. Of course, anyone who's been in a bad part of town will know that this happens. You know, someone will buy you $25 worth of snap stuff and they'll give you a 20 in return, things like that. But it's a real issue. A lot of people, I mean, we're getting also emails from people who are themselves on it, who are saying, you know, people who are single parents or they're struggling where they're saying, I, I need this to get by. And is there a way that we can separate genuine need cases versus people who just don't want to work? It's a complicated issue. And I think the bigger picture, we have to ask ourselves first of all is who's going to win a shutdown of snap? Because it's sort of the microcosm of the bigger debate over this shutdown is is it a Democrat thing that caused this to happen or is it the Republicans fault that this is happening? And I think they've both banked that they would win on this. But it seems like Trump may be ahead. I saw the other day, I think a major left wing labor group has been upping its agitation to do a clean extension on spending because I do think there is some sense that, yeah.

[Alex Marlowe]

The number one Biggest federal workers union now is. Yeah. And they want the government open. And they're basically taking the Republicans line on it that it's the Democrats who are the obstructionists, which was shocking to me. I did not expect that when you start actually reading the article. But this is really important here because when we're talking about snap, you go macro, you go big picture. It's all offensive. There's 40 plus million people that are on it. It's offensive. You look at how many of these are foreigners who are came into this country, are now mooching off the system, Some of them illegally aliens. That's offensive. What is over indexed with the SNAP expenditures. It is all going to be junk food and that's going to be offensive. But then there are people, as Blake notes, who legitimately do need it, are accustomed to it, count on it, and they're able to pay for other stuff that does contribute to the economy because some of their food stuff is subsidized and we're just going to rip it away from them. Because why? Because the Democrats want funding for illegally alien health care. And that is an opportunity for us to frame it up politically that no one's taken until it seems like this morning is the first day.

[Andrew Colvett]

Dive into that a little bit more. Because like now you're thinking like a messaging strategy which is kind of where my head goes. And so, you know, basically you need to take their attack and reverse it onto them, which is really obvious because they're holding the whole government hostage. So Democrats are the ones that are keeping the 40 million people from getting their food stamps, even though, listen, we all know that there's a lot of people on SNAP that should not be on snap, but it's really Democrats that are holding it hostage so that they can get health care for illegals. Now they will say that that's not true, but it's all, it's all in the nuance. It's 100% true. So you're gonna see that, you might even see that in Community Notes on X Twitter, right? That that's not true. I groked it the other day and they said it's not true. Well, guess why it is true. It's because it's all about how you label an illegal immigrant.

[Alex Marlowe]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Joe Biden let in millions of people, put them on temporary protective status. Right. And gave asylum claims to a bunch of them, millions of them, and they are able to now access ACA benefits subsidized by the American taxpayer.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is an email we just got from Hushmail So I think that's a person who is hiding their identity. She says, my manager, my daughter is a manager of a grocery store. She has genuine fear that if SNAP or EBT are unavailable next month, her workplace will be looted.

[Alex Marlowe]

Yeah. Which is blackmail. I mean, it's just we're being blackmailed, but that's why the whole apparatus is completely messed up.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, this is exactly what happened to George Floyd too. Yeah. Just got blackmailed that we couldn't have cops in the streets keeping us safe because they were gonna riot and burn things down.

[Charlie Kirk]

They also say kudos to Alex for hanging out with us for a couple.

[Alex Marlowe]

Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. No, this is a blast and hopefully we can do this more. But this is where we do need to reform SNAP and figure it out and put more regulation in place and just start getting people this context that we are importing people from all around the world to pick the pockets of taxpaying American citizens who are all squeezed right now, which was a lot of the topic last hour with Rich. Everyone's feeling squeezed and aside from the handful of people and that we don't have money for this stuff and we shouldn't. That said, is now the time to really say, oh, you know what, we're taking away the sugary sodas from people I don't know politically now. That's the move. I think the move now is to frame it up as the Democrats took your benefits because Chuck Schumer is going to get primaried by AOC and is going to lose his leadership job. And that's why this is happening. And any Democrat who's not telling you that is lying to you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, so we're getting. Felice is sending a screen grab of food stamps by ethnicity. 45.6.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is a. I think that's. I think that's a similar version of that one we saw. I don't know. Unfortunately, that's not very.

[Andrew Colvett]

A lot of you are going to see this graph if you go on a lot of people. We actually have it. We could show it. I don't mind showing it, but we just. With the caveat that we can't verify independently that it's true. But you know the allegation essentially that 45.6% of Afghan refugee or refugees.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's just by Afghan ethnic origin.

[Andrew Colvett]

Ethnic origin, 42% of Somalis, 34.8% of Iraqis and 23.3% of Haitians are on food stamps. And to your point, we can't verify it but as you said, Blake, it feels directionally true. It is almost certainly directionally, directionally accurate.

[Charlie Kirk]

Somalis are very high. Well, if you check every other program that we have numbers on, the usage rate among Somalis is extremely high.

[Andrew Colvett]

So the Somali population is extremely good at at least one thing, and I would presume a few other things. But they are good at working the system, exploiting the system, and defrauding the system.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, they're very. What you will see, what Americans are going to become more and more aware of as the years go by is that if you have relatively closed off, you know, separate communities in America that don't speak a ton of English, mostly interact among themselves, they can be very, very good at collectively getting a lot of money out of the system.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so what we've seen this has been broken up repeatedly. Let's just use the Somali community as an example. The Somali community has an extra. They've been caught where they're having these clinics that diagnose kids with things like autism at a super high rate because you can get money for that. Or the Feeding Our Future scam that was one, I think, like white Lutheran woman at the top of it. And then this gigantic apparatus of people where they were scamming the COVID aid system for Minnesota and the federal government by giving these fake meals to people who didn't exist. And dozens and dozens of people get involved in these scams and with other communities. If you're in a kind of, what you'd say maybe ordinary, wider American community, it's difficult to pull off a scam of that size because other people just kind of go to the police about it and stuff. But when you're in a closed community that operates mostly under its own rules, they often don't talk to police. They don't interact with wider society. They are more. They're both more willing to try to exploit the system, and they get away with it more easily. It's just. There's not a lot of ways to break it apart.

[Alex Marlowe]

And the Democrats see this as political opportunity because they're better at moving the blocks, not we're trying to move individuals one person at a time. Freedom. That's what we're all about. And this has been a weakness for us over the years because the Democrats, they see what Blake's talking about, they say, that's a whole block of people. We're to get them all. We're get all of them. And that's part of the system that we got.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I know. I think that's Right. And I think that who's been good at moving blocks actually is President Trump. And so you might get frustrated with Trump or his messaging or whatever. I mean, the truth is that we have not proven that aside from President Trump, we can move blocks of people in any.

[Charlie Kirk]

I want to read another one because we want to acknowledge there's different perspectives. So we got another email. So she says we, I assume maybe herself and her husband. We are seniors living on our Social Security check hand to mouth with the SNAP benefit. There are no jobs for us. They're elderly. We'll be eating once a day now, if that. I can't believe my president is allowing this to happen. I voted for Trump three times and I wear a Turning Point MAGA hat. How is this happening in America? And that's also a real question. There are a lot of people who have struggled very mightily through the changes that have happened to America.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, there's another one from Jamie says, I appreciate the conversation with Barris. I'm here in New Jersey. Go Citarelli. And between groceries, electric and taxes, there are some months where we have $5 left in our bank account, savings are gone, and $16,000 in debt. We desperately need prices to go down. I would love to hear a plan from Trump addressing this and how to start producing more in our country, especially when it comes to meat producers.

[Charlie Kirk]

We should keep going.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Alex Marlowe]

News flash democrats.

[Andrew Colvett]

America is a republic, not a democracy. Fact check.

[Terrence Bates]

True man.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie loved that. We are not a democracy. We are a republic. We're a constitutional republic.

[Charlie Kirk]

I would always argue with him about that. I would just say Charlie, if they call it. Everyone uses democracy to describe what we are but it's our democracies other than ancient Athens.

[Alex Marlowe]

I do feel like this is that that meme with the, with the bell curve where there is the. It's it's a democracy in the dumb end. And then there's this, it's not a democracy which is the big end. And then I'm way back on that now. It's whatever, we'll just defend it's American system.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie show and he was adamant about it.

[Alex Marlowe]

No, but he loved debate and disagreement. I wish he was here to debate with us. He is technically right. Of course it is. Blake and I have thrown in the towel on the world like that's what it is.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, let's put up 185. We were discussing SNAP, and this is a chart that Danny sent to us. But it's the annual spending just on snap, benefits in billions.

[Andrew Colvett]

And what's that big spike there?

[Charlie Kirk]

But it's a big spike in the year 2020. I don't.

[Andrew Colvett]

Man, what happened in 2020?

[Charlie Kirk]

My mind's drawing a blank.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, this is such a good point. I mean, there's so much about government spending to Blake's earlier point, that once you unleash the subsidy, once you unleash the welfare, once you unleash the spending, it never comes back down.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's like a drug addiction. And, you know, I think one thing we can say about this is this whole display of people freaking out that SNAP might be suspended for a week maybe, or, you know, a few weeks. It does show. Even if you don't act dramatically now, you do need to. You need to see it as a crisis long term, that there is a very high level of dependency built into the American people. And this took time to build up. You can read when they were first expanding the Great Society under lbj, America had different cultural norms. It was considered very disgraceful to be on the dole. So people would, even people who were qualified would resist going on food stamps. They were still literal food stamps back in those days, and they would resist it. And it was difficult to expand these programs. And now it's become much more a pattern of almost, you know, I got mine. You know, the people who will try to get their cut of a big pile of federal money, whether that. And that's not just going to be in the form of food stamps, it's going to be in the form of Medicaid, which we expanded a lot under Obama. And they kept expanding it. And we were saying during the break that a lot of this fight now over Obamacare is a subsidy they added during COVID And now it turns out we just can never get rid of it because people have become dependent on that as well. And, well, guys, you can look at the federal budget deficit, how much it goes. We're now averaging, what, $1.5 trillion a year in that deficit. The debt only endlessly goes up All I will say is no nation. I like history. As Charlie knew, no nation has ever just borrowed money endlessly and gotten away with it forever. No nation, period, ever. And that could be us.

[Andrew Colvett]

And it reminds me Charlie's when he started turning point, I think the debt was at like something like 12 trillion. 12 trillion.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it was 5 trillion when the recession started. And you know we tripled our national debt to get out of the Great Recession 18 years ago. And can we triple it again to get out of another one? I'm skeptical of that.

[Andrew Colvett]

And no, I mean it is a fiscal cliff that we are facing and nobody ever wants to get serious about it because you know, we live in an unserious time where everybody just makes TikTok videos about how they're gonna loot the their local grocery store if they don't get Uncle Sam to say now I will. Here's my one pushback though, the economic populist side. And this is again we go back to the first thing that we talked about in the show now one is that you have a diversion. You have two roads diverge in a wood right now you've got the MAGA national populism and you've got the mamdaniism, right. Which is going to be grievance driven populism. And because we have debased our currency, because we have flooded the market with cheap money, easy money, because you have inflated, especially during COVID the asset valuations of the elite and the equity holding rich people in this country, they got richer during COVID Right. The money that we flush into the system just went straight to the top.

[Alex Marlowe]

And they got a lot of government handouts.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. And we made it easier for them to do this. So essentially you've created the working poor and you've exacerbated their already precarious financial situation and then you've inflated the asset prices of the rich. Even just like people that own homes. Right. Middle class, upper middle class, they're not necessarily rich. But. But what that did is it stretched the middle even further. It put more pressure on the middle. And so a lot of these people that are on SNAP benefits, it's kind of like, well, some of our economic policies that we've been pursuing this massive debt and deficit spending have accentuated an already tenuous situation.

[Alex Marlowe]

I think that's on the money. And I think what's interesting here is that we're in a different media landscape where the Democrats would have won this fight by blaming other Republicans. But now that the media has been so discredited, and they've never been less credible since the way they handle the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I think that may have been just the final dagger in the media and their credibility. And so because they might not be able to wrestle this narrative back for the Democrats, the Republicans can exert maximum leverage. Say that we're not going to cave to your demands on this thing. You're going to have to take the blame for it. And the closer we get towards Thanksgiving, you might start seeing the Republicans say, well, we're not going to negotiate any crs, we're going to do a much broader spending package and you guys are going to have less negotiation leverage there with the Democrats. And they could find themselves having totally misplayed this and we could just be a few weeks off from seeing something really pretty amazing politically.

[Andrew Colvett]

Love that glass half full take and but again, it all comes down to messaging that essentially this is the trade that the Democrats are doing. They want to subsidize illegal health care so that American people can't afford groceries. That is the great exchange. That is the big messaging pivot that needs to happen. I think they're trying. I see some of the folks on social media like Mike Johnson and others are trying to make that point, but I don't know that it's getting through yet.

[Alex Marlowe]

It's not.

[Andrew Colvett]

But shows like ours, others can hopefully make that point for them. We are going to welcome Matt Walsh onto the show in the next segment and I'm really excited about it. He's been in the tussle fighting the Islamification of America and I'm very proud of him for doing it. He's been standing firm, taking a bunch of gruff for it too. Matt Walsh joins us next segment. Don't go anywhere.

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[Terrence Bates]

Terrance Bates here with your real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump continues his trip to Japan with visits with sailors and troops there. His new Japanese counterpart, Sanay Takeyachi, joined him for at least one of his stops this morning. The commander in chief using the photo op to praise Takeacci.

[Alex Marlowe]

Going to go down as one of.

[Andrew Colvett]

The great prime ministers you watch. Thank you.

[Terrence Bates]

Also on 47's agenda today, meeting with business leaders there in Japan. Monday's bilateral meeting between the US and Japanese delegations also mark the first face to face meeting between President Trump and the new prime minister. She, by the way, is Japan's first ever woman pm.

[Andrew Colvett]

I will say that this will be a relationship that will be stronger than ever before. And I look forward to working with you and on behalf of our country. I want to just let you know anytime you have any question, any doubt, anything you want, any favors you need.

[Alex Marlowe]

Anything I can do to help help.

[Andrew Colvett]

Japan, we will be there. We are an ally at the strongest level.

[Terrence Bates]

The cooperation President Trump alluded to includes the signing of a rare earth minerals deal between the two countries. After leaving Japan, President Trump will head to South Korea for what will arguably be the most watched part of his Asian tour. On Thursday, he's scheduled to meet with Chinese President Xi Jinping. Work is being done behind the scenes in advance of that meeting to broker a trade deal between the United States and China. As President Trump describes the current tariff situation unsustainable for China. China and the United States are the world's two largest economies. At stake in the United States, particularly for the US Semiconductor industry, is that so many US Firms are hoping that they'll be able to sell artificial intelligence chips to China. American energy companies are also hoping the upcoming Trump Xi meeting will be seen as an easing of Chinese tariffs on U.S. energy. After China slapped America with the 15% tariff on energy exports, much of the flow of U.S. energy to China was frozen. Well, that's going to do it for your headlines. As always, we appreciate having you along for the ride. Now let's get you back to the Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

Relentless in spirit.

[Blake Neff]

You're listening to THE Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to THE Charlie Kirk show. Got Alex Marlowe from Breitbart, Blake Neff from this show, our secret weapon. And now we are joined by Matt Walsh, the Great. Matt Walsh from the Matt Walsh Show. So, Matt, welcome back. Honored to have you first time back on the show since immediately in the aftermath. And so it's great to see you, my friend. And I had to have you on because I just feel like sometimes we get in these seasons where there's just like these X feuds just break out and they're pretty glorious to watch. And you are more than holding your own right now because you are going after a sacred cow of modernity in the west and that is Islam. Also food stamps. We could talk about that. We've been talking about on the show before you got on, but basically there is a guy for those who are not aware named Mehdi Hasan. He's an uppity foreigner who's moved to this country and is now telling us what to do. And now he's going after guys like you, Matt, and basically telling us that, hey, listen, the Muslim call to prayer is the same thing as church bells. And, and he's more American and more patriotic than Americans are. And we have opinions about that on the show. I know you have opinions about that, Matt. So maybe just let's start right there. In this moment, we've got Mamdani on the rise in New York and Mehdi Hassan's marching alongside him. Now the whole Democratic Party's come alongside what diagnose our current moment and this dynamic that is playing out right before our eyes.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, I think Mehdi Hassan got. Came onto my radar a couple of weeks ago because he was defending the idea that we should have a Muslim call to prayer. And he said it's no different than church bells. Of course, you know, Muslim call to prayer, for one thing, plays at 5 in the morning. I've never heard a church bell go off at 5 in the morning. But more importantly, a church bell is a, it's, it's Christian. It's a Christian church that is part of living in America because we, we are a Christian country. A Muslim call to prayer is not part of American culture. We are not a Muslim country. You can go to dozens of other countries on the planet to hear the Muslim call to prayer whenever you want to hear it. But that's not the case in our country. And the call to prayer is a public thing. It's like you are announcing this to the public and that's not our culture. We're not a Muslim country. And so that's the point I wanted to make to him, even though we should also be clear about mediasan in particular, that this is obviously on his own is a very inconsequential person. He was, you know, he got fired from his MSNBC gig, where I think I looked it up in his key demo. He was getting, like, 37,000 views an episode or something. So he got fired. No one's really paid attention to him. But the reason why it matters is because this is just one guy. But he's representative of a problem. And the problem are, you know, immigrants who come to this country and believe that we are, as Americans, it is our job to assimilate to them rather than them assimilate to us. And this is the one thing that I think people have gotten wrong. I've gotten wrong because I've said in the past that, well, the problem is we have immigrants who come here and they don't assimilate. They don't, you know, we've gotten rid of assimilation. The whole melting pot thing was. Was a misnomer. It didn't happen. Well, that's not exactly correct, because what's actually happened is you get these immigrants like Mehdi Hassan, like Zoran Mamdani, who come here, and they do believe in assimilation, but they think assimilation should go the other way. We should assimilate to them. And in fact, Mehdi even said that. I think his word, he said, well, I'm just as American as anyone else. Okay, you're a Muslim. You're an Indian Muslim who came here from the UK ten years ago to work at Al Jazeera, and you're just as American as anyone. You're just as American as an American whose family's been here for 200 years. Really, you're just as American as them. Does anyone believe that? No, nobody believes that. It's total nonsense. And I think we're reaching a point now in our culture where people are standing up and saying that because Americans are sick and tired of this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, absolutely. And by the way, Mehdi Hasan has now come after Charlie, who's not with us, to defend himself anymore. Go ahead and throw up.158 here. So this is Mehdi Hasan basically, quote, tweeting DC Drano, who was showing an image of Charlie, who was saying that it's not Islamophobic to notice that Muslims are coming into our country and demanding that we live according to their rules. And now they are going to rule over us. Because you even see this in the mayoral race in New York City, where Cuomo is now being castigated for not visiting a Muslim mosque. And so Hasan says, Mehdi Hasan says. A reminder of what A racist bigot. Kirk was. And how much hate he incited against minorities. So now he's playing victims. See, this is like the rule book, right? They come in, they take advantage of our generosity and our open society, and then they start playing victim because we start noticing that they're doing things that we don't like and we call it out. Matt, what is your reaction to Mehdi Hassan calling Charlie Kirk a racist bigot?

[Blake Neff]

Well, I mean, it's pretty rich coming from someone who is himself, is himself legitimately a racist bigot. He's on the record many times. He hates white people, he hates Christians. He's just seething with hatred. And that's the only thing he brought to this country. That is what he has offered to us as an immigrant. He's come here to bring us hatred and hatred specifically for the people who actually built this country. Because that's the other thing we should be clear about. Another thing that Mehdi has said is that, well, Muslims helped to build this country. Muslims built this country the same way that anyone else did. And that is just. That's not true. You know, Islam had nothing to do with this country. Muslims contributed basically nothing to it whatsoever. They were here in very, very small numbers up until actually after 9 11. People don't realize this, but you know, the, the Muslim population in this country exploded and became. Became substantial over the last 20 years. You know, prior to that, prior to 9 11, there was 500,000 and maybe a million Muslims. Now there's what, 4 or 5 million? So this is how the country responded. This is how our government responded after 9 11. Not only was there not any campaign of persecution of Muslims after 9 11, despite what Zoramdani has claimed, not only did that not happen, but the exact opposite happened, that the government bent over backwards to apologize to Muslims. I mean, George W. Bush, Six days after 9 11, the rubble is still burning. He's out in front of the, you know, standing up there declaring that Islam is a religion of peace. And then we turned around and started importing Muslims en masse into this country. And what really gets me about it is, among other things is just the lack of humility and gratitude when Zoran Mamdani gets up there and starts complaining, starts talking about how his aunt, who apparently doesn't actually exist, was the real victim of 9 11. She felt uncomfortable wearing it jab on the train. No even nothing happened to her. She just felt uncomfortable wearing it. And so, and he's in tears of 25 years later, he's in tears about it still. He can barely even talk about it. But number one, that's a bogus story. But number two, where is your, where is your, your gratitude? You know, Muslims have been treated better in this country than white American Christians ever would be in a Muslim country. In fact, Muslims have been treated better in this country than they would be treated in most Muslim countries. And rather than ever getting a thank you rather than acknowledgement of that, all we get is this just constant accusations and blaming and complaining. And like I said, I think Americans.

[Charlie Kirk]

Are, I think, I think that's actually the real thing is it's not even just that they're not grateful. I think it really is, it actually is a culture of genuine resentment. Like it is resentment for how much better America is, how much better Christian society has been than any Muslim country in history. It's not a coincidence that Mehdi Hasan's family chose to settle in the UK rather than any Muslim country. It's not a coincidence that when he decided to leave the UK he went to another Western, you know, historically Christian country rather than any Muslim country. That's not a coincidence. And then especially it's. It really is like this culture of resentment that Mamdani can come to this country which let in a ton of people like him after 9 11. And then his platform is guilt tripping you because his abuela or whatever, whatever.

[Andrew Colvett]

Relation decides to call her because with uncomfortable.

[Charlie Kirk]

And also just like his plan, which I think has not been highlighted nearly as much as it should, his explicit policy plan is he wants to up taxes on white neighborhoods. Like he'll just put that in his thing. Whiter neighborhoods should pay more money so I can funnel to people like me who are aggrieved at America for the sin of letting us in.

[Alex Marlowe]

But it is pretty amazing that they tried to create this new standard that Christians and Jews who have been mayor of New York, running for mayor of New York, that they don't go to enough mosques. Like that would be a standard for being a good mayor. It's not that you're free to practice Islam in New York City. It's that you have to be, to be a great mayor, you have to go to mosque all the time. They've tried to put pull that over on us and Matt Kado, which is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Great if I ever go to a mosque for any reason other than as a tourist.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I won't do that. But I. Point made, Matt. So you are highlighting something though, that this is really a failure of our elites in our immigration policy. You tweeted here 167. One in five New Yorkers can't speak the English language. 40% were not born in this country. New York is not an American city anymore. I think this is what we need to really fix our eyes on, that this is ultimately a failure of our immigration policies, and we should not, as millennials, I think everybody's basically a millennial on this, on this panel right now. We should not be forced to be even having this debate. This is a world that we inherited because our elites failed to protect our country against people that don't like us and are allowed to move here. Matt Walsh.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. People who don't like us and in many cases have not come to contribute anything, but have come instead to live off of the labor of actual Americans, to live off of the fruits of trees that they didn't plant. You know, and that's one of the key differences between immigrants today. Not all of them, but one of the key differences between immigration in general today, as opposed to 100 years ago or 200 years ago. Because one thing about that, you know, I pointed out that 40% weren't born in this country, 20% don't speak English. There were a bunch of responses, of course, from leftists saying, well, I got you this time, because, you know, did you know, 100 years ago there were even more people as a percentage who didn't speak English? That's the claim. And even if that's. Let's just pretend that that's true. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that's true. Well, that is, again, the left failing to understand, or pretending at least, they don't understand the key difference, the difference in kind between immigration today and immigration back in the earlier years of this country, okay? Because back 100 years ago, 200 years ago, people were coming to this country. First of all, this was not it. This was not an influx of third worlders coming into this country. That's that difference, number one. Difference number two is related to that. These were people 100 years ago, 150, 200 years ago, who were coming here to actually help build the country. They were coming. They were. We were still in, you know, coming in on the ground floor to help build this country. These were like a pioneer spirit settlers, right, who were coming. And that's not the case anymore because this country is settled. It's built. And so now you have immigrants coming from the Third World who, rather than coming to build anything, are coming to live in what has already been built, coming to take advantage of what has already been done coming to be fed by us. And that is obviously a huge difference that I think any thinking person can.

[Alex Marlowe]

See and fundamentally transform it. It's not just. This is the whole point. They're accelerating. We all reject diversity as our strength. Okay. Think of it from the negative. Conserving what we have is our weakness. That's their view, is that we conserve what America is all about. Our traditional values, Judeo Christian values. That's a weakness. That's how they see it. That's very clear now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Well, listen, we've. We've got a lot more to talk about with Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Show. Great American. We got to come up. Is it heritage American? Where are we. Where are we going to land on that whole debate? More with Matt Walsh. We're going to blow the brakes. Keep going. We'll be back in about three seconds. All right, welcome back. Really quick. So I'm gonna play a clip from Charlie talking about Islam because this is the Charlie Kirk show bears his name. We will forever remember his legacy and remember his work. But it just strikes me, guys, that this is a problem that we should not have to deal with. This is such a failure of the open borders regime of the end of civilization thinking that we'd conquered the future. And there's just a hubris that some in a generation before us have exercised and that we now have to face down a completely hostile invading force, an invading religion and ideology that Charlie, you know, hit the nail on the head once again. Let's go ahead and play. Cut 186. This is Charlie on how Islam is impacting the country. 186.

[Blake Neff]

Look at Europe. The Islamist invasion brought to you by the secular humanist European technocratic elites is making Europe worse. It's making Europe dirtier. It's making Europe less safe. It has no cultural identity. It's decaying and collapsing as a nation. There's no European identity left whatsoever. And the worst part of it is that it's invited. Islamism has a tendency to take over and metastasize like a cancer. Immigration without assimilation is invasion. And Islam does not assimilate. Islam conquers. Islam takes over. Islam devours. Islam is an imperialistic, parasitic ideology. Islam views itself as a conquering faith. You have to pray five times a day pointing towards a separate nation pledging fealty to another nation. Islam's own self story is that we will take you over. It's totalitarianism masked as a religion.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's one of my favorite riffs, Charlie. Matt Walsh we have about two minutes for welcome back national radio here. Your reaction to what, what we just heard from Charlie.

[Blake Neff]

Well, as usual, he hit the nail on the head and we need to start speaking about it in those, in those kinds of, in those kinds of strong terms because, yeah, that's the thing. I used to myself, I've admitted this before, that when I would hear conservatives worry about things like Sharia law coming to the United States, I used to think, well, I'm not as worried about that because we have leftism, leftists are the opposite of Sharia law. But it turns out that that concern is completely legitimate because of course, obviously it's going to come, as Charlie pointed out, through mass migration. And these are people who are not, they're just not interested in assimilation, which is another key difference between immigration today and immigration 100 years ago, 150 years ago. There's no, there's, there's no interest in assimilating into an American identity. In fact, these are people that reject that America even has an identity. To the extent that they acknowledge an American identity, they hate it. And so what do you end up with when you bring people like that into this country? You end up with, you know, chaos. Does anyone, here's the question you have to ask yourself as an American. Does anyone want to live in a country that is more like the Middle East? Do you consider an improvement? The more we resemble the Middle east, is that an improvement? And I think every single American, every single one would say no.

[Charlie Kirk]

Apparently a lot of Muslims feel that way because they don't move to those countries.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, there are 50 plus Muslim majority nations on the planet. 50 plus. And for whatever reason they want to move to Western nations. I think we could speculate, I don't think it's actually very speculative why they want to choose Western nations.

[Charlie Kirk]

Obviously, let's actually, let's fix it on that because it actually is not speculation. We have when they were building one of those Islamic centers in, I think it was the one in Michigan where they were, they were gloating about the fact, oh, we can build roads and have them named after great Islamic conquerors. They are quite aware that they are in a rising demographic tide. They brag about the fact that they are growing and growing and growing and gradually taking over these countries. They do this publicly. We don't need to beat around the bush for it.

[Andrew Colvett]

It. I got an email. Well, actually, 10 seconds till radio rejoin. We'll be right back. I'm going to read one quick email from Muslim listener. We'll Be right back.

[Blake Neff]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We got Matt Walton Walsh here with us. So this is an email, Matt, and maybe you can respond to it. This is from David. He says, as a Muslim, the call to prayer should be programmed on their cell phones. Remember, they receive free cell phones. Cell phones from Obama. Once it's time for call to prayer, it goes to their cell phones. This is America. Every religion is welcome. And he says, P.S. why are so many Arabs in America who destroyed all the countries in the Middle East? So this is.

[Charlie Kirk]

I don't think David Barry is a Muslim.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, we don't.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sorry, David.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, there's a lot of people named. Yeah. So the point is that is an argument that you will hear often, right. You will hear that we invaded and so now we have to invite. We invaded and ruined their countries. We bombed Iraq or whatever. So now, so now this is just the, this is the reaction to the action. What's your reaction to that?

[Blake Neff]

Well, it's like it's a kind of a reparations argument. That's the argument they're making. You know, to me, you are, you're surrendering the argument. You should. The only argument that could possibly be compelling to me for why we should accept mass migration from any part of the world is if you can say, well, no, we should do this because this is going to help America to make life better for Americans. People will live here. It's actually going to improve America. And so that's why we should do it. And if you're not even making that argument, if instead you're doing some reparations nonsense about we owe it to them because we invaded, well, it's like that's not even, that's, that's, you're not getting past, you're not getting past step one on that one. It's not even an argument because, by the way, I'm, I'm very much against, I'm very much opposed to wars of intervention. I'm. Again, I, you know, I'm against all of that. And I wish we hadn't done pretty much any of it. But by the way, like, no, we, we didn't do that. I didn't do that. My children didn't do that. My neighbors down the street didn't do that. You know, if you live in a town in Michigan where that now has become little Mecca and you got the call to prayer and streets being named after Muslims, you didn't do any of that. So what is this we stuff? So we. So it is our we have to now pay the price. We have to give up our national identity and our national sovereignty to pay for the sins of George Bush. And meanwhile, George Bush is fine. You know, he's living in a place where there's, you know, there are no Third World immigrants. He doesn't have to worry about that. So, no, we didn't do that. And that's not something that we have to pay for. And again, that's not the kind of argument that you should be making. The only compelling argument you could possibly make is to somehow indicate to us how this helps America, and you can't.

[Alex Marlowe]

Matt, where do you think in the timeline liberals start, started to be comfortable with totalitarians so long as they came from the Third World? Because it seemed like the liberals were the ones who are going to guard us in terms of freedom, the ability to have women do whatever they want, even if it's not good for them, all that stuff. And then now we're here, and it just feels like we got there pretty fast.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. As well. We know that the left, I think, as everyone knows, the left has been totalitarian this entire time. They don't, you know, they believe that we have the right to do whatever they, whatever they say. We have the right to live according to, you know, how they want. We have. We have the right to adopt beliefs that they believe. And so those are the only rights that they actually recognize. Now, it is true. So they always have had that totalitarian streak, and maybe that's the answer. Now, it is true, of course, that they're importing these Third Worlders who are a very different kind of totalitarian and who want to impose a lifestyle that in many cases completely contradicts the lifestyle the left wants to foist on us. And so it's very strange bedfellows, but I think ultimately the left, leftists, they. What do they hate the most? They hate white people. They hate Christians. They hate. They hate Christendom. And so, you know, the, the enemies of my enemies.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's.

[Blake Neff]

That's the way they look at it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Terrence Bates]

Matt.

[Alex Marlowe]

Matt. Well, what's the. Your world's foremost expert on the trans contagion? What's the trans population like in some of these Arab countries that we're talking about?

[Blake Neff]

I would guess it's about 1.3, I think maybe a one person and a third of another one. Not many. And, you know, famously, the whole LGBT Alphabet soup, they don't fare too well in these, in these countries, I'm told.

[Andrew Colvett]

We, we got an email from Michael and he says, gentlemen, Islamophobia is a composite term based on the Greek word phobia, meaning irrational fear of something that has no cause. There are significant problems with this terminology, and I agree. It's not irrational to fear someone who said they will kill you for your faith. I have to say, it's a really good point. Matt, final 30 seconds here. Is Islamophobia a real thing?

[Blake Neff]

No, it's not real for the reason you just said. It's. There's nothing irrational. And by the way, it's not for me. It's not. It's not even fear either. This is not. This is not about being at least not afraid for myself. I'm afraid for my country. I'm afraid for my children. But there's nothing irrational about it. We're just looking at what these people believe and what they do, and we're drawing logical conclusions.

[Andrew Colvett]

The crime of noticing, according to the liberal, is the crime of being a racist. Bigot. Racist, as Charlie used to always say. Matt Walsh, host of the Matt Walsh Show. Great American. Appreciate you making the time for us today, my friend, man.

[Blake Neff]

Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Take care. Alex, Marlo, it's also been a pleasure. Thank you, Mike.

[Alex Marlowe]

Been really nice. Nice to see you gentlemen in person.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll see you tomorrow here at the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Alex Marlowe]

God bless Charlie Kirk. This is an iHeart podcast.