THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW, OCTOBER 7TH, 2025

Summary

THE CHARLIE KIRK SHOW – OCTOBER 7, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: October 7, 2025
Host (filling in): Andrew Colvett
Guests: Blake Neff, Mark Halperin, Andy Biggs, Cliff Maloney

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Main Theme / Purpose

This episode was largely dedicated to:

• Addressing lingering questions and speculation about the recent murder of Charlie Kirk, including reactions to leaked group texts about his views on Israel.
• Discussing the latest political developments, including urban crime, border crises, and Trump administration interventions in cities like Chicago and Portland.
• Showcasing the Arizona gubernatorial campaign of Rep. Andy Biggs—Charlie Kirk's chosen candidate—and highlighting Republican ground-game strategy in swing states and New Jersey.
• Reflecting on Charlie Kirk’s legacy, coalition-building, and the broader conservative movement’s direction.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Crime, Urban Violence, and Federal Response

• [00:25-05:08] Panelists discussed escalating violence linked to cartels and gangs in American cities, notably Chicago:
  • Cliff Maloney: “We have terrorist organizations and that’s what I keep reminding people… Every day that we don’t bring them to justice, they’re recruiting new members.” [00:25]
  • Donald Trump: Defended potential federal interventions ("We're going in... We have the right to do it."). [00:38]
  • Sean Davis: Raised concerns about misuse of force and focus on racial profiling, stating the need for precise law enforcement efforts. [01:09]
  • Andy Biggs & Mark Halperin: Debated the legality of federal deployments under the Posse Comitatus Act and implications for local vs federal authority. [02:16-03:29]

Notable Moment

“I refuse to let Donald Trump, Krissi Noem and Gregory Bevino continue on this march toward autocracy. [...] The state of Illinois is going to use every lever at our disposal to resist this power grab and get Noem’s thugs the hell out of Chicago.” — Sean Davis [03:29]

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2. Charlie Kirk’s Group Text Controversy: Israel, Free Speech, and Loyalty

[05:16-26:30]
In-depth focus on leaked group texts about Charlie Kirk’s nuanced, sometimes frustrated, views on Israel and the resulting movement infighting.

Context & Handling

• Andrew Colvett: Admitted he privately shared the group chat excerpt in government circles for investigative thoroughness, clarifying it was not originally intended for public release. [05:18-07:55]
• Blake Neff: Candidly explained the tension between private venting/frustration and Kirk’s steadfast public stances. And that Kirk’s “wrestle” with Israel policy was thoughtful, not duplicitous. [07:36-11:20]
• Andrew & Blake: Emphasized Kirk’s belief in free speech, his frustration with feeling “morally blackmailed” by donors or factions regarding Israel, and his refusal to bow to public pressure. [14:05-18:53]
• Noted Kirk’s loyalty to friends and colleagues despite disagreement on policy or issues.

Noteworthy Quote

“I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions... I am a bad person if I do this.”
—Charlie Kirk to Megyn Kelly (audio replayed), [11:44]

Takeaway

• The consensus among co-hosts: Kirk’s views were consistent across venues; the group chat was honest venting, not evidence of hidden positions.
• Warned that divisiveness over this internal debate would betray Kirk's legacy of coalition-building and loyalty to Turning Point USA. [23:29-25:25]

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3. Political Legacy, Grieving, and the Movement

Reflections on Leadership Loss

• Honoring Kirk’s coalition-building, refusal to let the movement fracture, and his deep investment in Turning Point USA. [23:29-25:25]
• Mark Halperin: Offered heartfelt praise for the show team’s handling of grief. Highlighted the exceptionally wide emotional resonance of Kirk’s death—across ideologies and international borders. [26:30-37:33]

Powerful Reflection

“There’s something about his spirit. There’s something about his place in this current moment in American history that makes this hit people very hard.” — Mark Halperin [33:20]

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4. Immigration, Federalism, and Democratic Pushback

State vs. Federal Conflict

• Analysis of ongoing tensions as President Trump deploys federal resources to major cities to address violent crime and illegal immigration.
  • Mark Halperin analyzed the hard choices: “I think the President has the upper hand because he’s shameless and ruthless and really understands the news cycle.” [41:04]
  • Blake Neff: Noted the risk of ICE becoming a “Gestapo” talking point for Democrats if not carefully managed. [43:39]
• Polling Segment: High public support for deporting criminal illegal immigrants, but lower for National Guard deployment—much of the public mood is situational and driven by perceived necessity. [44:29-46:26]

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5. Congressional Spying / Surveillance Debate

• New revelations: FBI and Special Counsel Jack Smith requested metadata on phone calls for multiple Republican senators during the Jan 6 probe.
  • Mark Halperin: Cautioned restraint before labeling it “worse than Watergate,” but agreed executive-branch investigations of legislators are “a sensitive area” that warrants scrutiny. [50:46-53:03]
  • Hosts and guests stressed the need to follow facts and avoid reflexive hyperbole, but acknowledged deep conservative discomfort and sense of potential overreach.

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6. Arizona Politics: Andy Biggs for Governor

Candidate Showcase & Policy Vision

• Andy Biggs: Discussed strong polling, broad grassroots support, and the importance of personal voter contact and endorsements from President Trump and Charlie Kirk. [60:10-63:23]
• Core Platform:
  • Public safety: Restore rule of law, fill 400-500 police vacancies [64:22-64:44]
  • Economic revival: Eliminate income tax, streamline regulation, outcompete other Sun Belt states [65:20-65:54]
  • Border security: Continue crackdowns on trafficking [66:01-66:12]
  • Infrastructure: Reforming water and energy policy, replacing unreliable renewables with natural gas and nuclear [66:01-67:46]
  • Election integrity, emphasizing rapid post-election legislative action [67:46-68:12]

“The goal is to have freedom in this state. [...] We’re going to eliminate income tax.” — Andy Biggs [64:22-65:33]

Emotional Tribute to Kirk

• Biggs and others became choked up recalling their friendships with Kirk and his unique contributions to both the MAGA and Turning Point movements. [76:30-78:03]

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7. Republican Ground Game: Door-Knocking & NJ Chase

• Cliff Maloney (Citizens Alliance): Announced expansion of the Republican door-to-door “chase” strategy to New Jersey, aiming for 500,000 doors to boost Jack Ciattarelli’s gubernatorial campaign. [82:51-84:55]
• Biggs: Emphasized power of personal contact in driving turnout, citing Arizona’s 2024 “low prop/new voter” mobilization as key to Trump’s win there. [85:18-86:10]
• Blake Neff: Noted internal Democratic polling showing a dead heat gives Republicans a real opportunity in NJ. [89:09-89:39]

“If you do it when you have a good message, you’re gonna win. I’m really excited.” — Andy Biggs [89:55]

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8. Audience Q&A with Andy Biggs

• Topics covered:
  • Arizona gas pricing and refining issues [72:35-74:15]
  • Combatting border crossings and state vs. federal authority [74:18-75:10]
  • Cultural concerns (Sharia law)—Biggs working on federal legislation [98:59-100:02]
  • Renewable energy skepticism and land use [96:35-98:23]
  • Election integrity improvements in Maricopa County [97:41-98:51]

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Notable Quotes / Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “We’re not just dealing with criminals. We’ve got networks of cartel members and terrorists infiltrating these cities.”
  — Cliff Maloney [00:25]

• “Their plan all along has been to cause chaos… and then they can use that chaos to consolidate Donald Trump’s power.”
  — Sean Davis [03:29]

• “He believed in the freedom of speech, and he felt like he deserved, as a friend of Israel over many years, the right to speak out and have criticism.”
  — Andrew Colvett [14:05]

• “You could not control him with money. It just wasn’t the way he was wired.”
  — Andrew Colvett on Charlie Kirk [17:23]

• “He loved Israel. He cared about Israel and he cared about how that… He wanted to give—He wanted to help the pro-Israel movement.”
  — Blake Neff [10:13-11:21]

• “There’s something about his spirit... his place in this current moment in American history that makes this hit people very hard.”
  — Mark Halperin [33:20]

• “The President has the upper hand [on deploying federal force] because he’s shameless and ruthless and really understands the news cycle.”
  — Mark Halperin [41:04]

• “Charlie always said that borders are a political delineation where bad ideas begin and good ideas begin or bad ideas end and good ideas begin.”
  — Andrew Colvett [75:25]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Violence & federal intervention in cities: [00:25–05:08]
• Charlie Kirk’s Israel group text controversy: [05:16–26:30]
• Mark Halperin’s reflection on Kirk's legacy: [26:30–37:33]
• Federal vs. state authority, immigration, ICE: [40:11–47:40]
• Congressional surveillance, Jan 6 probe: [50:46–53:03]
• Arizona gubernatorial campaign – Andy Biggs: [60:10–69:23]
• New Jersey ground game strategy (Maloney): [82:51–93:22]
• Audience Q&A with Andy Biggs: [94:13–101:37]

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Conclusion

This episode served as an emotionally charged tribute to Charlie Kirk while tackling urgent political and cultural developments. The hosts and guests worked to dispel rumors and reinforce Kirk's complex but principled views on issues like Israel, maintaining the importance of unity and honest debate in the conservative coalition. The urgent focus on campaigning, both in Arizona and pivotal East Coast states, underpins the ongoing movement to implement Kirk’s vision posthumously. The episode was marked by frank, unscripted conversation—clearly intended as both catharsis for the team and a roadmap for listeners seeking direction in turbulent political times.

Transcript

[Andrew Colvett]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[Mark Halperin]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Cliff Maloney]

We have terrorist organizations and that's what I keep reminding people is we're not just dealing with criminals. We've got networks of cartel members and terrorists that are infiltrating these cities. And every day that we don't bring them to justice, they're recruiting new members.

[Donald Trump]

Well, we're going in. I didn't say when we're going in. When you lose. Look, I have an obligation. This isn't a political thing. I have an obligation. When we lose, when 20 people are killed over the last two and a half weeks and 75 are shot with bullets, we're going to do it anyway. We have the right to do it.

[Andrew Colvett]

It wasn't until President Trump actually showed.

[Erica Kirk]

The strength to say, hey, we're going.

[Andrew Colvett]

To take back that, you know, protect our ICE agents. We're going to send a National Guard. Did. All of a sudden we start seeing local support.

[Sean Davis]

Instead of going after the bad guys, they're just picking up people who are brown and black and then checking their credentials. Are you a US Citizen? I don't know about you, but I don't carry around papers that say I'm a U.S. citizen. They need to get out of Chicago. If they're not going to focus on the worst of the worst, which is what the President said they were going to do, they need to get the heck out.

[Donald Trump]

I mean, we had a week in Chicago where 11 people were murdered and 38 people were shot. And then we have a governor get up and say, oh, it's safe, we can handle. He can't handle it. He's an incompetent guy. That's why they threw him out of the family business.

[Cliff Maloney]

Breaking news that we're following this afternoon. A high ranking member of a street gang is charged with putting a hit out on a senior law enforcement official involved with Operation Midway blitz. Police arrested 37 year old Juan Espinoza Martinez this morning. And According to the U.S. attorney's office here in Chicago, Martinez sent a Snapchat message stating, quote, 2K on information when you get him and 10K if you take him down. The Tribune reports the alleged target was Border Patrol Chief Gregory Bovino.

[Sean Davis]

Well, let's be clear that it is illegal in fact to call out the National Guard or to send troops into American cities. The Posse Comitatus act prohibits that. And yet they tried to do it in Oregon. They're going to try to do it here in Chicago.

[Andrew Colvett]

Who's going to stop them?

[Sean Davis]

Well, the courts. That's who's going to stop them. And that's what happened in Oregon. I assume that a court here will.

[Andy Biggs]

Do the same thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, in Portland, where I'm originally from.

[Mark Halperin]

The Democrats and antifa have a symbiotic relationship.

[Andrew Colvett]

They both benefit when their political opposition, their shared enemies, conservatives, those who are supportive of the President Trump, are silenced either through violence or intimidation. Antifa act the shock troops and the Democrats in power will run cover for them. And Governor Pritzker is providing aid and comfort to the riotous mob that is physically assaulting, obstructing, impeding and attacking ICE officers. And his latest act, declaring that there are no go zones where federal law enforcement is not permitted is truly an act of insurrection against the federal government.

[Sean Davis]

I refuse to let Donald Trump, Krissi Noem and Gregory Bevino continue on this march toward autocracy. Their plan all along has been to cause chaos that and then they can use that chaos to consolidate Donald Trump's power. They think they can fool us all into thinking that the way to get out of this crisis that they created is to give them free reign. Well, that plan will only work if we let it. The state of Illinois is going to use every lever at our disposal to resist this power grab and get Nome's thugs the hell out of Chicago. I'm not afraid. I am not afraid, and I won't back down.

[Cliff Maloney]

What I do know is the rank and file police officers here in Chicago do support immigration and Border Patrol. It's just they're not allowed to say anything. They've got a mayor that will fire them if they say anything. They've got a governor that is wildly out of control with his rhetoric. So they're up against it both ways. We do need to get to the bottom of it because, Sean, there's going to be more, more incidents just like this because it's a war zone out there. Secretary Noem mentioned a bounty on the heads of federal agents that $2,000 to kidnap, $10,000 to kill senior Border Patrol officials and senior ICE officials here in Chicago. Now, Sean, what happens between the kidnapping and the killing portion, that's something out of a third world country. Is this America?

[Andrew Colvett]

Every day there's a battle for your mind. Raging information coming from every angle with the will to the fear not.

[Mark Halperin]

You found the place for truth.

[Andrew Colvett]

The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. This is Andrew Colvette, executive producer of this show. I'm joined by the not so secret weapon, Blake Neff. Welcome, Blake. So we've got a great show in store for you. We've got Mark Halperin coming up in this hour. We've also got Andy Biggs in studio. And we've got Cliff Maloney, who will also be joining us an hour too, about some of the efforts that he's doing in New Jersey to honor Charlie. But I want to take the start of this show to address some of the things that have been going around on public, namely about a text, a group text chain that has been made known and released by Candace Owens. And I just want to address it head on because, you know, that was a text grab, a screen grab that I had shared with people. So it is authentic. And I want to go into it because I actually am really excited that the truth is out there. I first want to say the reason I didn't share that screen grab publicly is because it was a private. It was a private exchange and I felt like it didn't necessarily comport with things that were already public. I wanted to not betray my friends trust in that way. But I did share it with some people in government because it happened really quick. It was, you know, it took 33 hours for authorities to get their suspect. And in that first, in those first moments, we wanted no stone unturned. We wanted to leave nothing unturned. So I shared it with a few people. Don't know where it went from there, apparently, but here we are still. So one of the reasons, Blake, that I'm glad to have this now public, it was not mine to share publicly, but one of the criticisms we've received is that we don't care. We're not investigating every lead. We're not looking under every stone, and that somehow we're just sweeping things under the rug. And when I say that we want justice for Charlie more than anybody else, I really mean it. And no stone unturned. I mean, I don't know if you want to chime in on that part alone, but I have more to say. Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

So it has been so frustrating to have people blow up about this. And we've stated, I've certainly stated publicly the reason I haven't weighed in on things is I am an eyewitness to events. And they've said don't comment on things because anything you say can mess that up. I don't want to mess up any trial for the person who did this.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's 1000%. Right. And I will say I wasn't an eyewitness. I was not there. I flew to Utah immediately to be with the family and the team, but I was not an eyewitness. So there's that. But I am aware that in my role as spokesman for Turning Point usa, which is another hat I wear, the things I say. I'm cognizant of the fact that things I say could negatively impact an ongoing investigation. All right. But I will weigh in specifically on this, this issue of Israel, because I know there's a lot of fascination, and I just want to say that, you know, we have to let free speech be our North Star here. Okay? Charlie was adamantly free speech. And I am not personally going to impugn anybody's character who is asking questions and looking for answers. All right? And I will say that that text chain is consistent with public frustrations that he voiced many times. And I know, Blake, you were in the trenches on a lot of this stuff because we were workshopping how we were gonna do the tour and what we, you know, he's gonna get asked about Israel. What was he gonna say? And this is consistent with things that he told his friends, people that are, you know, in the. In the water, wider movement about his wrestle that he was going. And so I just wanna say, like, what is the truth about the way Charlie felt about Israel? What? Well, it's complicated and it's nuanced. And it was a wrestle that was going on for months. And it's probably somewhere between the Bibi letter and the text, group text.

[Blake Neff]

I don't even think there's a between about it. I think those are entirely consistent with the exact same worldview. Charlie was not hiding things from people. There's going to.

[Terrence Bates]

There's.

[Blake Neff]

People are going to try to make you fixate on a particular quote or a particular line to make you think that there was something hidden. There was nothing hidden about Charlie's views on Israel. Like Charlie, I worked with Charlie on every major issue that we talked about, you know, immigration, abortion, transgender stuff. And he thought about the Israel issue a ton all the time. It was in the news all the time. People cared about it a lot. He cared about it a lot. Just before the shooting happened, I finished reading this is a 700 page book about the history of the Israel Palestine conflict. I read this book because Charlie said, blake, get really well versed on this, so you can help me with whenever it comes up and just know stuff off the top of your head.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

So I read it for that reason, if you want to know Charlie's views on the Gaza war, he wanted the war to end. He didn't want America to take Palestinian refugees. He was annoyed when people advocated that. He didn't want American troops on the ground there or with any other war. And he was upset when he saw stories about churches being damaged or Christians being killed. But at the same time, he recognized Hamas started the war. Hamas could end the war. Israel ultimately represented European civilization. Hamas represented Middle Eastern barbarism, and Hamas were the chief evildoers. And people who supported them were almost always supporting them for these bad, like, anti civilizational reasons. Yeah, that's what his view was. And he was public about that. And then as it continued, Charlie talked to young people all the time. He could see what was going on on the Internet. He could see among young conservatives there was a big shift to be hostile to Israel. There was a shift big time on the left, but it was also visible on the right. He could tell anti Semitism was rising in America and that upset him. Charlie was public about this. He loved Israel. He cared about Israel and he cared about how that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and he wanted to give.

[Blake Neff]

He wanted to help the pro Israel movement.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And I want to. I want to play this. It's a long clip, but, you know, I said something on the Alex Clark show that was in my mind completely consistent with Charlie's public views about Israel. And that is something that he also. He expressed very publicly on Megyn Kelly. Now, I know this clip has gone viral, but I think it's worth playing again. So here's Charlie in his own words with Megyn Kelly. Cut 65.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I, and I will say this. The behavior by a lot, both privately and publicly, are pushing people like you and me away. Not like we're going to be pro Hamas. Not like we're gonna. But we're like, honestly, the way you are treating me is so repulsive. I have text messages, Megan, calling me an anti Semite. I am learning biblical Hebrew and writing a book on the Shabbat. I honor the Shabbat, literally the Jewish Sabbath. I visit Israel and fight for it. And there's another article out in the Times of Israel today. I could read it on air. I was just reading before I got on. Charlie, what are you doing? Like, why are you. What am I doing? I'm sorry. Like, let's just take a step back here. Like, I'm an American citizen. Yes, I want Israel to win. Yes, I'm a Christian. But, like, the sum of the mess. And you Saw me. You've seen. I've been treated, Megan, by some. Not all. By some.

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

[Cliff Maloney]

It's very irritating.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's been so unfair.

[Cliff Maloney]

They were coming after you after a turning point for among others. And you had Dave Smith there. Dave Smith is allowed to criticize Israel. You had both sides. The Israeli side.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're not allowed to, though. No, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again, I just want to repeat for the fifth time, I love Israel. I want Israel to win. But my moral character is now being put into question, Megan. Not my decisions. Not like, hey, are you doing this? Is it smart or is it dumb? But no, I am a bad person if I do this. And it's. I could go. I mean, you saw it, Megan. It was trending on Twitter. Thousands of tweets and text messages. And if I were to be charitable and generous, I will say the people that are attacking me are in a hyper paranoid state because they're at war. And war tends to make things black and white. And you're a hammer looking for a nail. So I'm trying to be charitable, Meghan. Literally, I'm trying to cut as much slack as I can. Right.

[Mark Halperin]

Big.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, what would it be like if all of a sudden I'm starting to see a pattern of behavior similar to what my grandparents saw in 1930s Germany Online? How would I behave? So that's like my charitable kind of over compensation spirit. At the same time, I'm like, but you're.

[Terrence Bates]

It's.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not defensible to be dumb. Right?

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

So.

[Cliff Maloney]

And it's offensive. It's offensive to those of us who have been out there defending them in many instances against critics on our own side.

[Andrew Colvett]

So this text, this group check text, you know, he does say, you know, that he's leaving him no choice but to leave the pro Israel side. Here's what I want people to know. Charlie said these things publicly and privately to us, like, that he was frustrated. He would say something like that and then he would go in a public situation and he would strike a more moderate tone and we can blow the brakes if we have to.

[Blake Neff]

No, I wouldn't frame it that way. I would say he was frustrated because he didn't. Like we can get into this, actually get past the break here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, no, it's fine. What I'm saying is he would. He would be frustrated. But like, the point when I say moderate tone, then when he would say something off the cuff, maybe to you or to me or to some other Friend. Like, his public statements, he would kind of strike just a little bit more tender tone, if you will. And so here's the thing. I looked at that moment as, like, he's just blown off steam. He's frustrated, he's venting. Right. And I just wanna say, like, he made that very clear under any circumstances that he was not going to be cowed or bullied into deplatforming Tucker, for example. He made that expressly clear to us. Would he have invited Candace? I have no idea. You know, I think what he was saying in that text, that text, he's like, keep coming at me, bro, and let's see what happens. Right. And he was. Charlie was wonderfully defiant. He was wonderfully independent, and he would not, you know, he believed in the freedom of speech, and he felt like he deserved, as a friend of Israel over many years, the right to speak out and have criticism. We're going to keep going through the break just a little bit longer, and then we'll bring in Mark Halperin. We'll be right back. Yeah. So I will say one other thing, is that he's loyal. Charlie was loyal to people that he had shared history with. Right. He was asked. I think this may be what you were about to say, Blake. He was asked about Candace before in public, and he would always say, listen, we're friends. He would never say an ill word about her. And if people, you know, tried to force him to do that about Tucker or whatever, he would always be defiant because he didn't want to be morally blackmailed.

[Blake Neff]

Exactly. Exactly. Charlie was. He was loyal to people who had ever been friends to him, whether it was very old donors or just people who had worked with Turning Point. And, you know, as long as they were not attacking him, he would, you know, he would. He would not air any dirty laundry or, frankly, any disagreements he had with people. He did disagree with Candace on the Israel issue. He disagreed with Tucker on the Israel issue, but he also recognized Tucker had positions they agreed on. Tucker was a useful voice in the conservative movement on many things. And so he invited him to events, and, you know, they were popular events. And so he would react. Sometimes people would just say, yeah, don't invite him, or we're going to, you know, cut off some large donation. And that would make him angry. He would say this. Yeah, as you say, this is moral blackmail. And he's this. He's this Scottish guy. He's combative. His reaction to that is, you know, you know, the classic, like, screw me. No, screw you. You Know, that's.

[Andrew Colvett]

He had. And it's one of my favorite parts about Charlie is just how defiant and independent he was. He was never going to be controlled by other people. He was not bought and paid for. You could not control him with money. It just wasn't the way he was wired. He didn't actually care about money that much.

[Blake Neff]

And so what's going on here? What is going on here? You guys can look up what the text say. What is going on is Charlie, as I mentioned, he always. He loved Israel. He cared about Israel, he cared about the Holy Land. And he was aware there was a surge of anti Israel sentiment on the right. Charlie was thought seriously about this issue and was trying to chart a path forward for people who are sympathetic to Israel. He was playing the good cop here. He was saying, you guys don't realize how bad it could potentially get. You might have to. You have to change your pr. That's why he writes a letter to Bibi. You are losing the PR war. You need to change how you do your pr. You need to change your messaging to the American right. You might need to change what you expect from us that you're not going to be able to count on, just, for example, unlimited military aid from America. That's just not going to be tenable going forward.

[Andrew Colvett]

So.

[Blake Neff]

So maybe it has to be a more passive relationship. Maybe you need to give more support towards America. Like, so, you know, some more support towards America. And for example, opposing Islamic migration into America. That's one thing he thought we could ally on. And he was trying to do all of this because he cared about the relationship and wanted to chart a way forward on it. And he would feel angry and upset when people would react to this by blowing up and suggesting he was an anti Semite or a hater. He would get angry about that because he knew it was untrue.

[Andy Biggs]

And.

[Blake Neff]

And then he would sometimes vent about this. He would vent about this to people who understood that, who are pro Israel, people who shared his view on that issue.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, exactly. And just why I didn't share this publicly, it was because this was a private message between Charlie and some people, some Jews and non Jews, where he was frustrated. He was frustrated. And that would have felt like a betrayal to my friend because he never said anything like that publicly in a show. Right. He said things with Meghan that were very. We just played them. I went on Alex Clark's show and I felt like I did a faithful job of expressing what Charlie. What I believed his genuine feelings were. And I Just want to say, like, one final note here. Actually, we're going to welcome back radio, and then we'll have Mark Halperin on. But I have a couple. Couple final housekeeping items, I guess you could call them, and then we'll go from there. So hang tight one second. We'll welcome back Radio and we'll finish up this. This segment. All right. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett here with Blake Neff. I just want to add a couple final thoughts, and Blake, you can take it. And then we will bring Mark Halpern, and I know he's been patiently waiting. So one thing that I'm just. Again, I want to reiterate, this is an ongoing investigation. There are things that are happening that I don't know about. I also, however, am cognizant of the fact that I. Whatever I say could, first of all, it could negatively implicate an ongoing investigation. But I also want you guys to think about, you know, before you press send, before you hit publish, just think about maybe tainting a jury pool. Maybe the implications could be negative in that way. Another thing I want to say is that when it veers into attacking some of the people that love Charlie the best, the most and were closest to him, I just want you to have pause and think, maybe there's so many people around here, Blake, that haven't even had a chance to grieve yet fully, because you go from this and then obviously. And again, I don't begrudge people or I'm not gonna impugn their character for asking questions, because I think a lot of it comes out of, like, love and respect for Charlie and wanting the truth. And I just want to say, like, me, too. I want the truth. That's why I shared that screen grab in the first place, because no stone unturned. But here's two things that I know about Charlie and I think you would back me up on this, Blake. Two things I know Charlie would not want to see come out of the investigation or just the people's fascination with this case. He would not want to see it divide the movement or divide the coalition because he worked so hard at helping build the coalition, the Trump coalition, and helping build the movement and the many players that play such an important role in it. And he wouldn't want to see it hurt. Turning Point USA this Turning Point usa he loved like, you can't believe it was his baby. He. He put so much time and energy into building Turning Point, into picking the people that could play in different roles. And I know that those are the two things Charlie wouldn't want to see happen out of this. But again, I actually totally am sympathetic. Like, a lot of you have been lied to. A lot of us have been lied to by people that shouldn't be lying to us, whether that be about COVID or lockdowns or even what happened with the President Butler. There's still open questions there. I am very sympathetic to wanting to get the truth of these things, but again, just because I don't say things publicly doesn't mean that we aren't asking questions privately or we aren't pursuing things privately. And I think this is an example of that. And candidly, I'm just really, like, it wasn't mine to share publicly, but I'm actually just really excited that it's public. Okay. Because I want the truth to be known. The truth was. It was a wrestle. And actually, Blake, you know that probably better than anything anybody, because you were helping him really prepare on the Israel topic for this tour. And the last thing, and I've been asked to address this by a few people that are in really good faith, some people on our team, and that is Doge. That the idea that there was. There was a concern about the finances, first of all, of Turning Point, first of all, of course, Charlie, Charlie drove always, you know, constant improvement. That was one of the things that he was really fixated. He loved Doge so much that he made us make Doge shirts on the show. Like, these are currently on the show website. Like, and, like, kind of down low. Charlie was a bit of a Elon Musk fanboy. Like, he really loved that Elon built things in America. He didn't just make his money by selling financial instruments or pieces of paper or hedging bets. He builds beautiful things, well designed things. So he really loved Doge and wanted to sort of bring that spirit. And I just want to say every spring, he would kind of plan the fall audit and he would try and drive improvements. He wanted to know where every dollar was going. I just, you know, he just loved Doge. I mean, it's one of those. There's not a whole lot more there on the Doge thing, but, you know, this as well. But anything else you want to add before we bring Halperin in?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I just, I want to really emphasize that people will use screen grabs of things to suggest there was distance between what Charlie personally believed and what he said publicly. And I really don't think there was. I think anything you can see Is in a screenshot from any group chat is also what Charlie was saying publicly. Charlie would say publicly, I am frustrated by what pro Israel people in the US do to pressure people. I am frustrated.

[Andrew Colvett]

He thought it was counterproductive. He thought it was. It was making the problem counterproductive for.

[Blake Neff]

The issue at large. And it was personally hurtful to him because he faced attacks that he thought were unjustified and that, you know, and were hurtful to him because they were people he considered friends and allies. And he cared a lot about that because Charlie, as I've always said, Charlie was a person who cared. He was a good person. He cared about the good of America. He cared about the good of the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

He was American, too.

[Blake Neff]

He cared about the good of American Jews. He cared about the good of Christians. And he saw that the Israel issue was important to all of those things, and he wanted to have a healthy way forward in that relationship. That is why he did the panel at Student Action Summit. That's why he would talk about this so much. He was trying to chart a good way forward in that. And he met opposition and obstacles that frustrated him. I saw it all the time. I talked to him about it all the time. I talked to him at length. How should we word things? Because this is something we have to be careful on and we have to be precise on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

And that's how it was. That's how he seriously took the issue.

[Andrew Colvett]

These chats, by the way, like, it was a. It's a. It was a place for him to feel like he could venture. Right. And so. So anyways, I think we've. We've hit all the points. Now we're going to bring in Halperin for reaction and some more news that he's tracking. Be right there. Be right back. 2 ATV. Next up with Mark Halpern. Are you there, gentlemen?

[Mark Halperin]

I'm here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I'm told you were watching. What are your reactions, Mark?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, first, I want to say how extraordinarily brave and steadfast and inspirational you both have been along with your team. I see glimpses. I was in Arizona for the service and I follow things closely, but I know I can only imagine what you both have dealt with. And I congratulate you. And I'll tell you that the folks in your life are lucky to have you around to help them guide through this, because never been anything like having to deal with what you guys have done so well. Well done, both of you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you for saying that, Mark. And, yeah, I think, Blake, it's Safe to say a little bit of this is uncharted territory. And, you know, I just. I want. You know, there's a very personal side of this where it's like, we lost somebody that was tremendously close to us in this horrific way. And, you know, I get that it's given the profile of the situation that there are going to people, that this was kind of an inevitability. Right. But what I am cognizant of is that really good people are getting caught up in some of it, and I don't think people necessarily mean to do that or I don't. Again, I do not want to impugn anybody's character here. I know there's just a ton of attention that's gonna be on it. Go ahead, Mari.

[Mark Halperin]

You want to talk about the Israel thing? You want to go back to the Israel thing? Is that what you're queuing up there?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, no. I'm just saying that people want to get the truth. And I, you know, it's something Tucker mentioned to me when he was on the show, and it was a really super valid point. And I immediately was like, yes, like, thank you for making that point, because people do want the truth. And I just want to, like, let everybody know that if. If you think, you know, you want the truth, I can assure you we want justice. We want the truth more. Probably because the show you two did.

[Mark Halperin]

With Tucker was incredible. You know, Tucker was Tucker and made it easier on you guys because he was. Is so vibrant and. And jocular. But I really was impressed, again, with how you both shared so much during that. Look, it depends on how much trouble you want me to get into on Israel. Part of why I understand, I think the texts and. And some of the other things Charlie said and did related to Israel publicly that caused controversy is because I. I sort of shared that view, which is I, you know, I. I'm an appreciator of Israel. I'm a supporter of Israel's and. And. And. And a respecter. But just like every American president I've ever covered, you have to stand up to your friends sometimes when you think they're making a mistake. And that applies also to the people in this country who are supporters of Israel, many of whom are wealthy and many of whom play politics at a very high level. And like other people who play politics at a high level who are rich, if you disappoint them, one of the leverage points they have is they say, well, if you're not doing what I want, I'm going to not give you money. That's not, that's not specific to a pack or the American Jewish community. But they, they do it along with everybody else. And to say, I want to be more honest in public about my criticisms of Israel and if that means certain people who would otherwise give me money, won't give me money, that's something to consider. And the musings in a text is not a lifetime of statements and point of view about Israel. It's a moment.

[Blake Neff]

And I would like to know. So this would happen with donors related to this issue. But as another example, I know that we pace, we faced pushback in 24 because Charlie was so pro life, for example, and there are some donors who were not as on board with that issue. And they would say, you know, you guys either need to dial it back, we'll be less interested. And he would say, too bad I'm pro life.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

He just would not be bossed around on issues.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, he, he faced. I mean, listen, I will tell you, Charlie was amazing at not being cowed by donors. And, and it just, like I said, one of my favorite parts about Charlie, wonderfully defiant, like, completely independent minded. And if you pressed him, he would, he would dig his heels in, like, and that's why we, we would joke. He'd be like, well, Tucker's going to speak twice. And you know, like, not only that.

[Blake Neff]

They would do that, but that's just.

[Andrew Colvett]

How defiant that would, he would say that in, in passing or whatever. And I just want to. That's frustrating about this is. Again, there's an ongoing investigation. There is a suspect. Apparently they have a real good case. And I don't know because I'm not involved in all those conversations. But I can tell you that people that are feel really strongly about it, communication has been robust. And I can't weigh in on that because guess what? I could have negative implications on something that is really important. And so I think, listen, we've spoken about this issue. Free speech is free speech. People are fair to ask questions. I just hope that you think about the two things Charlie wouldn't want to happen. Dividing the coalition, dividing the movement, and hurting Turning Point usa. That's what he wouldn't want. And I hope that we can all keep the main thing. The main thing. We'll be right back. We will not comply.

[Andy Biggs]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Mark Halperin]

Well, I have a lot of thoughts about it and I've talked about it quite a bit. Last week on NextUp I had three of your stars, three college students, all of whom are involved in their chapters and have gone through the I saw that the challenges that that conservatives face on most campuses. I'll just say that the three thoughts quickly and if you want to drill down any of them, we can. First of all, I have been so haunted by the lack of understanding of Charlie on the part of people in blue America, very well informed people in my life who'd never heard of him or didn't really understand him. And I think part of that vacuum has been filled by the haters and the people who want to mischaracterize what his life was like. So that's been a big focus of mine is to try to educate people in a non ideological way just to understand not just how important he was the MAGA movement, but what an extraordinary person. I say unlike any other person in American history because of his moment in time, where he was able to do so many things digitally. So that's one is my real focus to try to educate people who didn't know anything about him, too, is being at the service in Arizona. I wish everyone could have been there, because unless you were in the room, I don't think from watching videos afterwards, I don't think you could feel what that room felt like. But I've been to a lot of events in my life, including a lot of services for folks, and I think that was. That was a remarkable moment for. For those who are honored to be present. And then lastly, I tell people all the time who tell me because I've gotten emotional about it on my shows. Oh, I feel so sorry for you. I. I literally know over a thousand people who knew, including you guys, who knew Charlie better than I did. But there's a. There's something about his spirit. There's something about the. The manner in which he dealt with people. There's something about his place in this current moment in American history that makes this hit people very hard. And again, I've been hit hard by it without claiming a relationship I didn't have. And I found that even in people who didn't know him. And again, I'm sure you guys get hundreds more than I do. But I've gotten so many messages from viewers of my programs who say I didn't know him. Sometimes they said I didn't really focus on him, who are really touched by it. And this is young people, older people. As a journalist, I've covered a lot of deaths, including a lot of people who've been killed. I don't really remember anything that was as resonant as this for so many people, in a deeply emotional way, often a spiritual way, but in a way that really hangs with people and continues to sit with them as they try to understand what happened.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I think that's really well said. And, yeah, I've been. I think we've all been blown away at the resonance of this moment and how wide and how worldwide it's become, which is really remarkable. Sean Davis was on the show from the Federalist yesterday, and he was actually in Sweden when it happened, and he's sitting at a coffee shop. And, I mean, he was in a very terrible state. And I think somebody at the Register, you know, saw that he was American, and he just looked at him, he goes, you know, they got him. You know, it was when they arrested the suspect. And, you know, it was. You know, he's just sitting there at his TABLE and worldwide, in Sweden, they're following the news and he's trying to cheer up his American customer. And that was just one story out of many. Like, I've heard stories from Pakistan, I've heard stories from Israel, I've heard stories from Australia, I've heard stories from places you wouldn't expect. But like, in a very real way, the just outpouring, the unleashing of this moment has hit, I think, the world in a really profound way. And it, and it brings up questions about what does that mean for our political moment. You know, you see the polls that show that there's Democrats or progressives at least that, you know, that seem to be endorsing political violence. You have this Jay Jones story out of Virginia. What I mean, Mark, what does this mean for this moment and what are we seeing? Like, how do we not have unanimity about political assassinations, political violence, bad. And what's happening?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, it's one of the worst manifestations of how divided the country's been, not just for years, but for decades and the lack of humanity that exists around disputes. And of course, the irony is for, as I said before, for the haters who want to call Charlie a hater, he was the opposite of that. And, and, and his life was dedicated to understanding. He had points of view that not everybody agreed with. But the spirit of, of my work, including on on two way is here are turn alternative points of view. When people come on and say something you don't agree with, rather than say, I'll never watch that show again, say thank you for presenting an alternative point of view. And that's what he did. And you know, a lot of times I deal with people in one party or another and I'll say to a Republican, like who's going to be the Democratic nominee or Democrat, you know, how's Trump going to do on this? And they'll say, I don't really do the other party, that's the other tribe. Part of Charlie's genius and part of his spirit was he understood Democrats very well. He understood the left. He understood and was a student of when they succeeded and when they failed and why. And again, part of that was tactical and about being a political organizer and a political strateg. But part of it was his intellectual curiosity and his emotional and spiritual obligation to try to understand everybody, not just the people who agreed with him. And I think that's in too short supply. It's in too short supply. And you know, it takes a lot to surprise any of us these days about what people will say on social media in a given situation. But the things they've said about a husband and a father and a son and a leader that have been just disgusting is the weakest word I'd use. Is testament to how divided we are and how cruel so many people are, especially on social media, but not just on social media. And I think I'd like to be optimistic that this would be a force for change, but I don't see any indication of that.

[Andrew Colvett]

I will say, Mark, I've obviously seen it and it disgusts me too, but the outpouring of the positive has, I think, is like magnitude 10 to 1 to the negative, maybe 100 to 1. Candidly, I think we make much of the negative because it is so vile and disgusting. But I just, I want to. I would be remiss if I didn't say that I genuinely believe that the good of this has been just like. It's been overwhelming.

[Mark Halperin]

Totally. I want to. I just hate the negative so much.

[Blake Neff]

I want to express my personal gratitude, Mark, for your response to Ta Nehisi Coates statements. I saw the video of it. It was very, very much appreciated.

[Andrew Colvett]

I won't say you were going off on Twitter.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, I was about that, but Mark said a very nice thing as well. But we do want to hit the events that are unfolding as we speak right now. So I thought we should open with this showdown that's going on between the Democrat governors. We have Gavin Newsom, we have JB Pritzker, we have Trump throwing around the word insurrection act with regards to ICE in, you know, ICE operations in these cities in Chicago and Portland, possibly calling out the National Guard. We're really getting a showdown on the right. We're hearing people make comparisons to, you know, the nullification crisis or the secession crisis.

[Andrew Colvett]

People.

[Blake Neff]

I saw a photo edit of Hillary Clinton in a Confederate uniform because she made a tweet invoking states rights. So, Mark, you're more in the middle of us, so I thought you could give some good analysis on what's likely to happen here and what the stakes are for each side.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah, so there's the, the politics of this. Right. There's the news cycle control and there's the 20, the midterms, and then there's the, you know, the future political prospects of people like Gavin Newsom and we can talk about that. I'll start high minded, though. Why do we have political conflicts in our system? It's when there are different ideals, two or more ideals that are competing. Right. I think everybody in America would say that crime has overwhelmed a lot of the country and that there's not a, there's not, there's a mismatch between the resources state and local officials have to deal with crime and, and, and, and what's necessary. And then on the immigration issue, same with, same with ICE and other federal agencies in charge of, in the individual states dealing with that. So I think everybody agrees that more needs to be done somehow in crime. And then there's another competing interest that I would hope everybody would agree with, which is federal, military, active duty and reserve should only be used in situations where it's absolutely necessary to put them out on the street in what is effectively a law enforcement role and maybe an aggressive law enforcement role. That should only be done when it's absolutely necessary. And the question is, is it absolutely necessary? Right now it's clear the President thinks it is. And a lot of people, the polls suggest a lot of people think yeah, the more, the more the better. And, and, and I think it's silly for people on the left to, to be so reflexively against it when if I'm on the New York subway and, and there's people I don't care if they work for state, federal or local. They're people good guys with, and gals with guns. I'm happy to see them. So that conflict is playing out not at a high minded level of, of debate, debate and you know, honest discussions playing out more in the first thing I talked about, which is the politics of it. I think the President has the upper hand because he's shameless and ruthless and really understands the news cycle and he controls the flow of the human beings. It's easier to put the National Guard someplace than to stop them. And unless judges stop him, I think he'll continue to get his way and I think this will continue to expand to more cities and I think Democrats will continue to be flummoxed about why it is they're continually taking the wrong side of where public opinion is on this.

[Blake Neff]

How about the ICE dimension of things? We have a lot of open defiance of ice. We've had these sort of low level attacks on ice. Do you think there's an advantage Trump has where attacks on ICE will be seen as attacks on the government generally or attacks on law enforcement? Or will it, will the Democrats be able to spin it as this is an attack on this, you know, Trump Gestapo as some of them are calling it?

[Mark Halperin]

I think in general the President has the upper hand on, on almost anything related to Immigration and I mean, you know, people are not just violently protesting, but we had one incident at least of someone shooting at an ICE facility and killing people. So the predicate I think is there. Look, if, if, if, if federal forces, whether military, active military reserves or extra ICE or FBI, whatever it is, if they're involved in excessive use of force or violence that leads to loss of life, I think the symbolism of it could change. The media is in a strange place right now because. Right. So much of this through the filter of the media. The media is pulled back on its reflexive anti Trump. And I think that gives the President another advantage he doesn't typically have.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yep. Well, I'm gonna ask about polling question because there's a conflict even in the polling about how you address some of this. And Mark, you're the right guy for that. First, I want to tell you about Alan Jackson. We're honored to be partnering with Alan Jackson Ministries. And today I want to point you to their podcast. It's called Culture and Christianity, the Alan Jackson Podcast. What makes it unique is Pastor Allen's biblical perspective. He takes the truth from the Bible and applies it to the real issues that you're facing today. Gender confusion, abortion, immigration, Doge Trump and White House issues in the church. He doesn't just discuss problems in every episode. He gives practical things you can do to make a difference. His guests have incredible expertise and powerful testimony. Each episode will make you recognize the power of your faith and how God can use your life to impact the world today. The Culture and Christianity Podcast. The Alan Jackson podcast, Culture and Christianity. Check it out. More with Mark Halperin in just a second. All right, Mark, we are back. So here's a poll. It's image 277. So go ahead and throw that up. Here's what's interesting about it. 78% of Americans support deporting illegal immigrants who commit crime. But there is less support when it comes to deploying the National Guard. Okay, so, but the argument for deploying the National Guard is that these ICE facilities are under siege. You have to protect your personnel, and you have to bring law and order. How do you square the circle or circle the square here? And, you know, it seems like there is civil unrest. There is quasi insurgent forces or blatantly insurgent forces in these cities. What do you do if you're the Trump administration?

[Mark Halperin]

I wouldn't waste the money on the polling because this is moving too fast. There's too much ambiguity. These are not black and white things for people. I wouldn't know how I'd answer those, because it's going to depend on the circumstance. There's no election anytime soon. The president's, the president's fate politically, the party's fate politically will rise and fall above all else and where the economy is next year, above all else, by a lot. So this stuff gets a lot of attention. It's in the news. The economy is not as sexy as these things, but I just don't think it has much implication, either the polling or the political ramifications. What I think the Trump administration should do is they should protect, you know, law enforcement officials and they should continue to try to fulfill their campaign promises, which is to close the border and deport people who are here illegally, starting with people who've committed violent crime and, and do it in a way that, that respects American traditions. As I said, I don't think any president should be so quick, such as short, you know, tripwire to put military on the ground. I just think it's, it's not consistent with American traditions, but it doesn't mean it should never be used. And if they can't find another solution to protect the ICE facilities, I think they'll have a lot of popular support for doing it if they do it the right way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and that's, that's the key here, right, is you got Tina Kotak in Oregon, you've got JB Pritzker, Gavin Newsom, Karen Bass, Brandon Johnson, these local and state officials that are essentially refusing to cooperate with federal authorities. And you had this crazy story out of Chicago, the stand down order, where you get an ambush, the lady's wielding a weapon, a semiautomatic rifle. And there's some reporting that would indicate that. Yeah, that maybe there was some police already there and that's the way they're spinning this. But why wouldn't you rush, you know, resources to an ambush, ambush on federal law enforcement and federal agents? I mean, the lack of cooperation is, in a sense, Mark, the justification for bringing even more National Guard. Because if you can't work with local law enforcement to protect you, then you need more of the National Guard to protect you. 30 seconds, Blake. I was. Yeah. No, before we. Welcome back.

[Blake Neff]

I think his, I think his analysis is good. I just think in a second here, we'll want to get into what. Also, a lot of people are wondering about the spying case in D.C. on the senators, what the political dynamics of that will be. So I guess if you want to think about that, Mark, we'll just be on the other side of this in 10 seconds. So yeah, we'll dig into that.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll bring back radio in about five seconds. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We got Mark Halperin. Mark, real quick, we're gonna get into this spying story but tell people where they can follow you. Give us your, your coordinates.

[Mark Halperin]

My work on NextUp on the Megyn Kelly Network. Just go to NextUp Halperin on any platform and you can listen to it as a podcast watch on YouTube shows twice a week. Today's episode drops later. Michael Knowles is one of my guests. We talk about Charlie actually and, and also Doug Sosnik, the Democratic strategist. If you want to understand the Democratic Party, he's your best bet. And then I do two shows a day on my two way platform. Twoway TV can again find us on YouTube wherever you want. Those would be, those would be the two main places to find me two way and next.

[Andrew Colvett]

I just want to give you a little bit of kudos here. Charlie thought your political analysis was among the best in the space and you, you had a very clear mind. You predicted things pretty accurately and you were amazing during the 2024 election. So check out Mark's very kind.

[Mark Halperin]

Very kind. I thought he thought I was the best.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not amongst, well, you know, he told a lot of people that damn great.

[Blake Neff]

All right, so I think let's, let's hit this topic. So we've been, you know, this Arctic frost thing has been getting revealed over the past several weeks and especially now we have the story that the FBI requested phone records of eight Republican senators. This appears to have been related to their investigation of election disputes in 2020. The New York Post has is quoting someone who says it's worse than Watergate. But Mark, how about you give us your analysis of that situation?

[Mark Halperin]

Well, we should always be suspicious whenever the executive branch and does criminal investigations of legislators. It's just, you know, it's a sensitive area and, and for sure we need to know more. But the notion just that it's always wrong for there to be investigations a member of Congress that's just not, you know then, then look at history. Lots of members of Congress have been indicted by the Justice Department, sometimes by Justice Department controlled by the same party as the legislature legislator. Not always though. So I want to know more. But I think people who are saying it's worse than Watergate, we just don't know enough. All they did and again I'm not minimizing it because we need to know more. All they did was get the metadata of some of their phone calls around January 6th. We need to know why they did that, how they chose the senators. They did. But on the face of it, it's not worse than Watergate because all they did was get metadata. And that's not worse than Watergate, at least as far as we know right now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, there's another image here that we can throw up, by the way. It looks like it's 276. This Jack Smith tracked private communications calls of nearly a dozen GOP centers during J6 probe, FBI says, and 286 is another image J6 probe phone records of Republican lawmakers. So this is, I mean, I appreciate you not, you know, veering into hyperbole here, Mark, but it's pretty disconcerting. And I mean, there was a lot of conservatives that were looped into this investigation and I'm, you know, even turning point. So this is a pretty far reaching thing and really uncomfortable to, as we learn details about this, especially giving our proximity to some of this.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah, once you have an independent counsel, both parties have found this out. They, you know, they hand out subpoenas like I hand out cotton candy at the carnival. You know, they just give it out to anybody who wants it. And, and, and we need to know more. There needs to be accountability. But no one was indicted, Nobody went to prison. And I'm not minimizing it. I just want to be clear. But let's follow the facts rather than just say, anytime a special counselor, anytime the FBI looks at the records of a, of a sitting official that's meant to intimidate him or it's meant to be political. It might have been, I want to know, but we just don't know that yet.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, there's, you know, definitely no Democrats on this list. It's Senator Lindsey Graham, Bill Haggerty, Josh Hawley, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, Ron Johnson. Who's the great Ron Johnson? We should get him on the show. Cynthia Lummis Loomis, Marsha Blackburn, and Mike Kelly from Pennsylvania at the time. Rep. MIKE Kelly from Pennsylvania.

[Mark Halperin]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Pretty, pretty crazy stuff. We got a minute here left, Mark. You know, any final thoughts, any closing bits of wisdom you want to share?

[Mark Halperin]

Just ask everybody to be inspired by, as so many have been, by Erica Kirk's forgiveness and capacity to forgive. I think that is in too short supply in our society. And I think people on the left and the right and the middle and everywhere around should be inspired by someone's capacity to forgive in an unthinkable situation and maybe start to forgive more people in their lives. And I've taken that to heart and been inspired by it. And I cite it regularly. And I hope people consider how hard that was as compared to forgiving folks in their lives.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well said. Mark Halperin, Two Way tv. Next up on the Megyn Kelly Network. You're doing great work, my friend. We'll have you on again soon, I'm sure. Gentlemen, thank you.

[Mark Halperin]

Honored to be on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you so much for just being a steady hand in the midst of this and helping people that maybe don't or didn't to help better understand Charlie and what he was all about. That means a lot to us here and it didn't go unnoticed. So thank you, gra.

[Mark Halperin]

Grateful to you both for your leadership through this hard time. Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you. Well, hour one is now in the books and we have Andy Biggs going to be the next governor of Arizona coming on set here at the Charlie Kirk show next. Stay right there.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Andrew Colvett]

What is your message to Democrats ahead.

[Andy Biggs]

Of a next vote to open up the government?

[Erica Kirk]

The American people are saying open the damn government.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's your message to them right now?

[Donald Trump]

Well, they're the ones that started it. They're the ones that have it. And it's almost like a kamikaze attack by them. You want to know the truth? This is like a kamikaze attack. They, they almost, you know, they have nothing to lose. They've lost the elections. They've lost the presidential election in a landslide. I saw the other day where commonly said this was a very close election election, very. This was one of the biggest sweeps that anybody has ever had. Won the popular vote by millions, won the Electoral College by a massive amount. They said if I got 270, that would be great. But I got, I think 312 or 315 and they got 220. So, you know, we won that, but we won counties. The big thing is counties. So out of all of the counties, thousands and Thousands, we got 2,500, they got 525. It was a landslide. And we listened. Oh, yes, it was close. It was one of the greatest victories ever. And it was a mandate to do what we're doing. And I hope and Mark wants this as much as I do. We are very close to making a deal on the Middle east that will bring peace to the Middle East. After all of these years of millions and millions, tens of millions of people being killed, there's a chance to bring peace to the Middle East. In addition to that, I made seven other deals. And they're, you know, great. And we're, you know, things are happening with respect to Russia, Ukraine, that's one that last week, Mark, 7,812 people were killed, soldiers, mostly soldiers, but seven, 7,000 more than seven. Almost 8,000 soldiers were killed. It's a crazy. It's a crazy thing. I thought that would have been one of the easy ones. I get along very well with Putin, and I thought that would have been a very disappointed in him because I thought this would have been an easy one to settle. But it's turned out to be maybe tougher than the Middle East. We'll see what happens with the Middle East.

[Terrence Bates]

As for the ongoing government shutdown here in the US The Senate failed to pass not just one, but two bills seeking to reopen the government on Monday. Meantime, House Speaker Mike Johnson says he will not call House lawmakers back to Washington until the Senate does its job and passes a continuing resolution to get federal workers back on the job. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show, Hour two. Very excited about this. We've been trying to arrange this for a couple days, but he's a busy man, which is exactly how he should be. That's Andy Biggs. Representative Andy Biggs and future governor of the state of Arizona. So honored to have you here. There was probably no political mission, at least in the near term, that Charlie was more passionate about than helping get you elected as the next governor of Arizona. So it's great to have you here.

[Andy Biggs]

Thanks, Andrew. Great to be with you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And as you said before we got on air, no pressure. You were. Charlie's, like, probably. I mean, there was a few finals, like Nate Morris in Kentucky, and you're. I mean, but this was gonna be A's major, the big one.

[Blake Neff]

Cause he was like, I want the desert Florida.

[Andrew Colvett]

He wanted the floridification of Arizona, and he just had complete trust in your credentials as a conservative. You love the people of this state. And he knew you were gonna put in the work. And that's why I love. I was. I was joking. I was like. So it was actually harder to book this than it was like Tucker Carlson, you know, to get on the show just in the last couple days, because you were out on the road, you were up north, and you had all these events scheduled. So tell us, how's the campaign going and how are you feeling about things?

[Andy Biggs]

Well, the campaign's going great. Polling's good. We're raising money, solid money, more than I've ever raised in my time in office. And also, you know, as we're all over the state, because, Andrew, we are getting all over the state. The momentum is really strong. We really feel it and sense it, and people come out and think about this, we're a year before the election and last week one of our crowds had over probably about 350 people at it for one event. And so this type of thing this far in advance is really kind of unusual, particularly in this state.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I like to think that Charlie and the energy that Charlie was putting into this is contributing because I think, you know, there is a sense that, you know, we even feel it from the team, the last things that Charlie wanted or the last visions that he was casting. And by the way, he's left certain blueprints that take us all the way through 2030, you know, that we're going to be following that. It's, you know, those are even more dear to us. And so I, you know, I think we speak for all of this show, this audience for Turning Point Action. We say that, you know, we're behind you like 100%, 1,000%. And, you know, anything that, that you need, that we can do, we're excited to help. And here's, here's what I will say. This is some good news. If you throw up. Image 297, this is a, this is breaking on the one on one matchup. You are up 24% with 14 undecided. This is for the primary. On a three person ballot. You're up, it looks, what, 22%. That's, I mean, those are solid, solid margins. Congressman, future governor, what is behind this? What are you hearing from people on the ground that is getting them so animated this early on?

[Andy Biggs]

Well, I think there's several things and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention President Trump's endorsement.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, of course.

[Andy Biggs]

And Charlie's endorsement and Turning Point Action's endorsement, those endorsements are really critical. But also I'd like to think in part that people know that I have a voting background. You can see how I voted. You can see how I've led the state when I was in the state and how I've worked in Congress. And so what we've, what we have found is even before, and I told this to President Trump one time, I said before he endorsed me, I said, Mr. President, I'm already up 40%, you know, so don't knock me down with that endorsement. But anyway, we had a, he gave me that endorsement and that's pretty solid. So the type of people who support me and back me, that's just as important as it can possibly be.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, I mean, listen, you obviously don't have to convince me, but for those listening that are like, maybe they're wondering who they're going to support. What is your platform? What are you planning on doing for the state of Arizona? What's your vision?

[Andy Biggs]

So we do have a vision. So the first thing is public safety. So I literally was just talking to a radio show down in Tucson and they were talking about the crime. Well, well, that's a problem in Tucson that the state's going to probably have to intervene in. So we should be the safest state we have. And I don't want I over explain, Andrew.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love it. No, I mean, get wonky if you have to pull you out. We'll make it interesting. Okay.

[Andy Biggs]

All right. So. So we have over just about 4 to 500 vacancies in Arizona's Department of Public Safety right now. That's your troopers on the street and everything like that. That means that the places, counties that don't have enough sheriffs, deputies, they're having to fill in and it just causes this downstream effect, which is not good. So we should be the safest state in the country. And why is that? Because you have to follow the rule of law. If you have the rule of law, you have freedom. And that's the goal, is to have freedom in this state. Second thing is we've gone from being number four in job creation in the state to being number 47.

[Andrew Colvett]

Whoa.

[Andy Biggs]

And so we've really fallen off the map. And so you have to make sure we're competing with states that are eliminating things like income tax and that are streamlining.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. What's your plan there?

[Andy Biggs]

We're going to eliminate income tax.

[Andrew Colvett]

I would vote yes on that.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. And then we're going to streamline the regulations, which is what we're competing against states that are doing this. So a lot of jobs that used to come to Arizona, they're flying over. Right. So we've got to fix that then. We still have a border problem. We have the number one human drug trafficking corridor in the country that's not good for families, individuals. So we have to put a stop to that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that still top of mind with voters, given the crackdown on the border that President Trump has accomplished?

[Andy Biggs]

It is. They're grateful for the border being secure mostly, but we still have these corridors. So we have places like in Yuma. I was just in Yuma the other day in San Luis and they were talking about the smuggling. And I'll be on a panel today about human trafficking. It's a real issue for the state. And Andrew, water. Water's a big deal. We actually have a Lot of water in this state. It's just totally mismanaged by this particular governor. She's mismanaged it so much that she's killing the American dream. The American dream used to be, I want to own a home, build a family. If you do own a home, you see family formation come. Well, she's killing it because there are places you cannot build a home. Single family home in Arizona today because of her water policies. So we have to fix that. Power policies. The reliance on solar and wind, which is unreliable, has to be subsidized, hard to distribute. We're going to replace that with natural gas. We're going to make sure that we're getting the new nuclear subcompact units coming in. There are things we're going to do and we're going to turn the whole state around. And that's just on the policy side. The other aspect is I know how to do it on the procedure side. So I'll get elected in November of 26, Andrew. That's a Tuesday. And on Wednesday you'll see a new speaker and a new Senate president. We'll have the Republican majority. And by that evening I'll be sitting down with them with the leadership, talking about how we're going to introduce and pass those bills that Governor Hobbs vetoed. We're talking about 300 vetoes right now. Things like the election integrity law. 20. Yeah, just all of this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, election integrity is huge. And I know that's a really important issue for the base here, especially in Arizona. But your background is, I think one of the things that people don't give you enough credit for or not aware enough of your background is how well you understand state level politics. Right? Yeah. You've been in Congress at the federal level for a long time, but that's your background. You know how to work the levers of power here in the state.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, I served in the legislature for a good number of years. I was the Senate president when I left to run for Congress. Before that, I was the Senate majority leader. I actually wrote the state budget for a good number of years. So I know how it works. I know how the leverage points are. I worked with two different governors, so I know how the executive branch is. So of course we're going to doge it. I mean, having seen the budgeting process, we love Doge.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we love Doge.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, we're going to do. We're going to doge.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, I love that. I bet you could find a lot of. I mean, and by the way, when you Cut income tax down to eliminate it. There is other ways to make revenue that make more sense and that incentivize people in the right ways. But then you combat that, you combine that rather with important spending cuts and getting rid of waste, fraud and abuse. Oftentimes you come into a very beautiful middle ground. I guess that's your vision.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, that's right. You move to the middle ground. But the thing that's beautiful about that is you actually stimulate the economy more which increases the velocity of, of the, of movement of money. And when you do that, it's going to, it means that you're going to actually increase your revenue. I mean that's the history is always you increase your revenue and you reduce taxes.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree. I mean this is why you've seen all the job growth go to the Sun Belt, the red states in the Sunbelt. I mean they're leaving California but the goal here in Arizona needs to be don't fly over and go to Texas or go to Florida. You can stop right here because we're going to have the most pro business state in the country in just a little while when Andy Biggs is governor. We'll be right back. Oh, we've got a Patriot Mobile. I've got a library. See, still learning the ropes here. Let me see, where is it here? Did you leave it for me? Patriot Mobile. I realize there are many choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service and there are new ones popping up all of the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that's Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three major networks. So by the way, I have two networks on my phone, so thank you. Patriot Mobile, they're the best and they love Charlie, they love Turning Point and they've always been such amazing friends of ours here. So call 972 Patriot today or go to patriot mobile.com charlie patriotmobile.com charlie Use promo code Charlie for a free month of service. We'll be right back. News flash, Democrats.

[Mark Halperin]

America is a republic, not a democracy.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Blake Neff]

People, people sending questions for the guests.

[Andrew Colvett]

Freedom. Charlie Kirk.com so we have Steve.

[Blake Neff]

He's a business owner here in Arizona and I won't say his business just in case he'd rather we don't. But I think they'd be very much on our side. He says please ask Representative Biggs about gas pricing in Arizona. The people I speak with say this is a big issue.

[Andy Biggs]

It is a massive issue. So we don't have any refineries in Arizona, so we have to import all of our gas. The pipeline coming from the east, which comes through El Paso and on up, its first drop is of course going to be Tucson, which is why Tucson always is cheaper than us. And it comes on up. It's running at a capacity right now. And another pipeline is going to be built to expand that. We have stuff coming from California, one pipeline from California. California is trying to eliminate its refineries, which is driving up artificial scarcity for us. So they've killed two refineries. They're actually trying to sell Valero finery, which is or force a sale of the Valero refinery, which is their biggest and good chance that it's going to be purchased by a Canadian company. And if it does, I've talked to, to their minister up there and they're anxious to sell oil and gas to Arizona. But that's our problem, is we're importing it. If we could build a refinery, we'd be in good shape. There's been attempts, but everybody is scared to death because it takes billions of dollars in about 10 years or so to build. And they're afraid that if they start and invest all this, then all of a sudden another administration comes in and changes the environmental requirements and next thing you know, they can't, they can't make, make it financially work anymore. So that's why we don't have refineries here. If we can get a refinery, we're going to be in better shape.

[Andrew Colvett]

Great. There's another one I see from Jax for him.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, I just thought it was. Amusingly he said, tell Biggs to reduce foreign aid cash for the immigration expense being borne by us consumers and taxpayers. I think mercifully that's not an Arizona thing, though of course, it is a congressional thing.

[Andrew Colvett]

But there are things you can do at the state level, potentially.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, so. So at the federal level, we, I support that and we, we've actually got a lot of withdrawal of funding in that way. We need to do more. That's what the big fight is over the shutdown right now, as a matter of fact. But at the state level, this governor eliminated the, the Border Security Task Force and took down barriers when she first came in. And we're going to make sure we've got barriers there and that the Border Security Task Force is reinstituted. There's a way to stop and slow that down. The other thing is we're gonna doge the Medicaid and welfare rules. And if you're here illegally, you're not entitled.

[Blake Neff]

It really is such a. It's an infuriating, like, diseased mindset to. I'm going to rip down barriers at the border with Mexico. Like what, what is the motivation for this other than I just really want people to illegally come here if at all possible.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie always said that borders are a political delineation where bad ideas begin and good ideas begin or bad ideas end and good ideas begin. And I think, you know, no disrespect to our neighbors, but we like our ideas, we like our people and we want to take care of our people first.

[Andy Biggs]

Absolutely right. And Charlie was right on that. Because if you look, we have now we've let in Millions of people who have those ideas, they've brought their ideas with them and they're trying to change our ideas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, maybe even inadvertently. Right. It's just that you bring your culture with you and, you know, listen, we like our culture, we like our country, and we want to take care of Americans first. I mean, I think that's, that's the truth in the two minutes in this segment. And you're free to stay the whole hour, Congressman, future governor, but we, I want to give you at least this last few minutes in this segment, talk about your personal relationship with Charlie, because we lost an icon of our culture, a hero. But you lost a friend. We all lost a friend. And I want just you can make it as personal as you can do well.

[Andy Biggs]

So I always viewed us as being fortunate because we live in a time when there's been two gigantic cultural and political movements at the same time. You got the MAGA movement that President Trump instituted. Then you had the turning, what I call the turning point, or just the turning movement that Charlie brought in. So Charlie was, you know, he was, I, I viewed him as a, as a really, a, a forefront. He was a stud. I mean, he, he was a good example to even an old guy like me. So we loved him.

[Donald Trump]

So that's all.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I know. And I mean, it's hard to navigate.

[Blake Neff]

Everyone in this room, everyone in this room was older than Charlie. But all of us looked up to him. All of us admired him. But he was always, he was such a reciprocator. He was such a giver. You know, I think Trump himself said at the memorial, he always gave more than he asked of anyone in his, you know, in his office, he has that little three line thing. And the first one is, is how can I help somebody today? And that's always what he would want to do. He would want to help you win the election. He would want to help this person with their faith, whatever.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, I spent basically the first week of the show crying in public. So the fact that you get a little teary eyed is it really just speaks to the fact that you're a human being and a good man. And I know how close Charlie and you were. And God bless you, man, and we love you, too.

[Andy Biggs]

Thanks.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back with Cliff Maloney and maybe Andy Boy Big. We'll see.

[Terrence Bates]

Welcome back to this real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. It's a new day and the same old government shutdown continues to linger. On Monday, the Senate failed to pass not just one, but two bills seeking to reopen the government. Meantime, Mike Johnson, the House speaker, says he won't call House lawmakers back to Washington until the Senate does its job and passes a continuing resolution to get federal workers back on the job. Even President Trump sounding off on the issue about an hour ago as he answered questions from reporters alongside Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney.

[Donald Trump]

Every day we put forth a bill, just a continuation. It's a very simple thing to say and very simple to do. And I really think that these are people that I think they have nothing to lose. They have a party that's out of control. They have no leader. Nobody knows who the leader is.

[Terrence Bates]

As for President Trump's meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Carney, the two leaders are behind closed doors as we speak discussing trade insecurity. Today's face to face marks Carney's second visit to the White House's Canadian as Canada's prime minister. In terms of trade, the Canadian leader will likely seek an easing of U.S. tariffs on Canadian products. Right now, there's a general 35% tax on imports from our northern neighbor. And just this week, the administration slapped Canada with a 10% tariff on softwood lumber, which is used in home building. Later this week, President Trump will welcome Finland's president to the White House. Today marks the two year anniversary of the October 7th attacks on Israel that led to the current war in Gaza. Thousands of people converged on southern Israel today to mourn the dead. In the meantime, Israel and Hamas continue to hold talks in Egypt with the goal of reaching a peaceful deal and bringing Israeli hostages still held by Hamas home. The first phase of the peace plan offered by the Trump administration would include a ceasefire and the release of all remaining hostages in exchange for the release of hundreds of Palestinian prisoners being held in Israel. The United nations secretary general also using today's anniversary to call for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages being held in Gaza. He also says, quote, the horrors of that dark day will be forever seared in the memories of us all. That's a quick check of your headlines. I'm Terrence.

[Andrew Colvett]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. Back here at the Charlie Kirk Show, Andrew Colvitt, Blake Neff, Rep. Andy Biggs. And we have Cliff Maloney waiting in the wings. We'll bring him in in just a second. First, I want to tell you about Patriot Mobile. I realize there are many choices when it comes to your cell phone service, but there Are basically there's one that stands with your values, the values of this audience values a turning point and that is Patriot Mobile. For more than 12 years Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three major networks. Or like I do, you can get two on one phone and they support mission like Turning Point USA and the Charlie Kirk show and that's why we love them. So not only do you get the great service, but you get the great people. You get Glenn and the team over at Patriot Mobile who are fantastic people. So switching is easier than ever. Activate a new phone from the comfort of your own home, keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team is standing by to take care of you. Call 972 Patriot today or go to patriotmobile.com Charlie use promo code Charlie for a free month of service. That's Patriot mobile.com Charlie or call 972 Patriot and make the switch today. So there's a bunch of questions for Andy that I actually do want to get to. But first we're going to bring in our friend Cliff Maloney. Cliff Maloney of the renowned the Call. It was the Call, Cliff. And you, on election night, you were the one as Charlie sat in that chair when we announced that Trump was going to be the next President United States. It was you who were leading us as we were all in shocked, stunned silence. So welcome back. I think the last time you were here was actually a person. So it's nice to see you back in your spot on the Zoom.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm back here.

[Erica Kirk]

I'm here at headquarters in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. And yeah, I was in this room when we called it in Pennsylvania. And look, I got to tell you guys, you know, when Charlie asked me to do the show, I never realized at that moment, obviously not just calling it, but Erica coming in embracing Charlie. You know, I get emotional thinking about it, but it was just, you know, the video that everybody watched hundreds of millions of times. And I'm honored to keep fighting. So glad to be with you guys. And I love didn't know that one of my favorite congressmen, Andy Biggs, would be on. Better be the next governor. We're going to do everything we can to get that guy elected. I'm here to help.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly right. Well, and this is why it's all. It all plays very well together here. So Cliff, you are. Maybe I'll, I'll let you do it, but you've got news in New Jersey. But I, but I love it because it ties into what we. All the things we've done in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin and in Arizona. So what, what's the news in New Jersey? Cliff, the floor is yours.

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah. So, so happy to announce that we are taking the PA Chase on the road. We have launched the New Jersey Chase, going all in on Jack Cittarelli and getting him elected. And look, I'm going to be honest with folks. For a lot of months I hesitated on going public with this. Right. My brand is that we are the Pennsylvania, I would say, America first ground game. Right. We are the PA Chase here at Citizens Alliance. But what happened? Not just Charlie getting murdered, but over the last couple months we've kind of realized this tactic that Turning Point and Citizens alliance has really focused on, which is ground game actually going out, harvesting and chasing. Chasing where you can only chase. Harvesting where it's legal. And so we're going all in on New Jersey. We've committed to knock 500,000 doors through the New Jersey Chase program. If people want to get [e-mail] they can, but we've got tons of people on the ground. We've got seven to 10 Airbnbs depending on which week it is. We're not close to 300,000 doors so far. I love how the numbers look, but this is about continuing the work as Charlie would want us to do. And that's what the New Jersey Chase is all about.

[Andrew Colvett]

I love it. So, Andy, I think you would be good to chime in here. How important is it to do the door knocking, to do the person to person to person chasing these low prop voters, especially when you have close states and we see that the, you know, Cliff, you can give us an update on the polling in just a second. But this is a close race and for the first time we have a real chance of taking power in New Jersey.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. Well, the personal contact you get when you're at the door is the most influential contact you can have in campaigning. It really is. I mean, you can do TV ads and everything. Most influential is one on one contact. And we saw what it did in Arizona. I mean, we turned Turning point, turned out 300,000 plus low propensity voters and new voters. And new voters.

[Andrew Colvett]

315,000 low prop and new voters.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

And that, that turned the election. I mean, Trump won this state by 160,000 votes, roughly 5% the biggest margin in a, in a battleground state. That was because of that door to door Contact that. That encouragement to get out new. New voters and. And low propensity voters. That's. That's what's going to do it again this time. But it's going to do it in New Jersey, it sounds like first. And I'm excited to see that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, absolutely. Blake, I don't know if you want to chime in. No. Oh, no, no, no. Okay, so. So. So give us. Give us the timeline, Cliff. Give us the. Where's the polling at? And why do you like this? Why is it worth putting these kind of resources in? Because we get requests to do this in all 50 states. Just to be clear, people come to us. Can we use your app? Can you guys send out, you know, resources to do this? And we want to do it, obviously, we would love to do that, because I think there's gains that could be made at the local level, there could be gains at the statewide level. It's not just all about who's the President of the United States. Right. And we want senators, congressmen, we want school board members to be conservative. We want them to be on. On board. But here's the issue is, is that we have limited resources, right? We have limited bodies. There's. We have to pick our battles and be very strategic, which is why we picked, you know, Wisconsin, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, and the last one, because those are races that we could invest these types of resources and actually make a manageable, practical, and determinative difference in these states. So why New Jersey, Cliff?

[Erica Kirk]

Well, first off, I can wear my Eagles hat in half the state, which is pretty nice for a guy that wants to pander and not have to play the political game when it comes to sports. No, but seriously, look, I mean, the polls right now poll came out just recently. 43. 43. It's a dead heat. What really excites me is, and I'm preaching to the choir here, because not only you guys, but everybody that listens to Charlie show, you know, knows the power of really making sure we compete when it comes to vote by mail. If you compare New Jersey and Pennsylvania, understand this. In Pennsylvania, we don't have early voting. We have two ways to vote, either by mail or on election day. In New Jersey, they've got over a week of early voting, and Republicans compete and do very well in early voting. So when we're at the doors, which we're at now, we're not only pushing vote by mail to low props, but if they have some objection to vote by mail, guess what? You can plan to vote in the week leading up to the election. And so it gives you an alternative that we don't have in Pennsylvania. And when you run the numbers, Andrew, if we compete in vote by mail and we match the type of turnout that Jack Chitterelli had four years ago, remember Jack was the nominee in 21, so it's not a rematch because Murphy is no longer, you know, capable term limited out. But Mikey Sheryl is running against Jack Cittarelli. Jack has name id and four years ago he only lost by roughly three points. And so you're talking about a state where they didn't have much of a door to door effort. They weren't really targeting the vote by mail. It's not a shot at Jack at all.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Erica Kirk]

A lot of us weren't doing that in 2020 and 2021 because, you know, it wasn't something that Trump was pushing. And I was one of those people vote on election day. But since we've adapted, we see New Jersey as a huge opportunity. It's why we're going all in. I think knocking these 500,000 doors and all the other groups that are helping register people are coalescing. I think this is one to focus on. That's why we decided to go in and try to win.

[Blake Neff]

Just to add to that, why it's a fun idea, we have a headline from Axios. This is just the other day. Democrats are fretting about New Jersey governor's race. That's one of the best reasons to do it. If they're actually panicking and like laying the groundwork in advance for, you know, who they should blame for this. And it says here that there is private polling that has shown the race within about three points. And this is according to Democrats who saw the results. So Democrats have internal polls that are telling them this is very close, this could go very badly.

[Andrew Colvett]

Question to you, Andy. When you see a Democrat poll that's like that, that's within three points, how do you interpret that? Being on the. If you're the campaign or you're the candidate and you say, well, the Democrats have the Democrats up by three, what is. You say that that's probably accurate. You say it's actually closer than that.

[Andy Biggs]

I typically say it's probably dead heat because they kind of. It's tradition for them to skew sample selections and how they frame the question. If you do that, you have a bias poll. And just getting back to the point on turnout and doing the knocking of the doors, if I can just real quick, the Democrats have done this for many Many years. And we are now at their game. And when we're at their game because our message is better, because when we are actually out there not harvesting, but we're chasing and doing that better, we're going to win because they've been doing it, but they have a crappy message. If you do it, when you have a good message, you're gonna win. I'm really excited.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. I mean, you think about it because, like, if you're part of a Democrat campaign, you don't want to release an internal poll that shows you down. Right. That could demoralize the troops. So, you know, I tend to agree with you that it's probably even right. Like, this is probably a dead heat. And there's little pieces of information that we can draw from, like throw up 299. This is out of Nevada. Eric Daugherty from Twitter posted this. But now there's been a flip in Nevada, which bodes well because we've been seeing these registration trends across the country. From Pennsylvania, Cliff, in Arizona, certainly Nevada now has flipped to more registered Republicans, just barely, but that was a gain of 6,000 in the month of September. Net gain of 6,000. So now Republicans are actually have more voter registrations in the state of Nevada. So we're seeing this trend nationwide, and that's starting to make states like New Jersey in play. Cliff, what are you seeing?

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah, I think you're right. And look, I will tell you this. New Jersey is a much, much tougher battle than Pennsylvania was in 2024. Whether you look at the registration numbers, where you look at comparing 2020 to 2024, there are plenty of ways to look at it, but I think the momentum is on our side. And look, I said this from the start. I think Jack is a great candidate if you spend time with him. He's very personable. I've done a couple events and just he knows how to work the room. He connects. He's authentic. And so I think there's a lot of hope here for Jack. But you also have to count on the Democrats exposing themselves. And that's what's happening in New Jersey. Mikey. Sheryl, I mean, she has had just flaw after flaw, misstep after misstep. And I just think that it's kind of culminating at the right time. And sometimes those things have to happen. I mean, even for us to win the swing states we did in 2024, you have to have certain things happen that are outliers.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and right.

[Erica Kirk]

Donald Trump getting shot in the ear. I'm not rooting for that, but at a certain point, like, you have little pieces of things that fall in place and that's how you can kind of build momentum. And I'm seeing it on the ground in Jersey.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's great. And. Well, and I do think some of these national trends and these national stories are playing into it as well. You can't discount the Charlie Kirk effect. That's one. But secondly, you have this Jay Jones story in Virginia that has gotta be putting a pall over a lot of the Democrat races, especially across that eastern seaboard. You gotta think that that's having an impact. And obviously we're talking about the story where he's leaking or these text chains are showing that he wanted political violence or at least was fantasizing about her fetishizing or, you know, at the most charitable, like joking about it. You know, it's. It's tough to say exactly what that is. Cliff, 10 seconds. Where can people get involved real quick?

[Erica Kirk]

Sure. On X at Maloney. Appreciate you guys. Andy, great seeing you. Really appreciate it. Blake, Andrew, you guys are the best.

[Andrew Colvett]

Awesome. Thanks, Cliff. We'll have you on again soon, my friend, to give us more updates on that race. One final segment, hour two with the great Andy Biggs. We got emails. You gotta answer them. You got questions. We'll be right back. The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie Kirk Show. All right, welcome back to, to the Charlie Kirk Show, Real America's Voice. So, Andy, real quick, we're gonna get into some questions from the audience. They're sending in for you. Just on a local level. How can people get involved with your campaign if they're here in Arizona or surrounding states? How can they help? I mean, tell us where to go.

[Andy Biggs]

Go to bigsforarizona.com bigsforarizona.Com is that F.

[Andrew Colvett]

O R or the F Y?

[Andy Biggs]

Spell it out F O R. And.

[Andrew Colvett]

Got it up on the screen.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, there we go. And that's that. That'll do it. You can link to donate. You can. And if you're in Arizona, please sign an electronic petition because those are not challengeable. And that's good. We've got over 10,000 of those.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're already.

[Andy Biggs]

We have so many petitions, but we. Our goal is 26,000 for 26. So.

[Andrew Colvett]

Fantastic.

[Mark Halperin]

That's.

[Andy Biggs]

That's where we're going.

[Andrew Colvett]

Really important to get involved and yeah, donate. I mean, it is on some level, you know, you're in a race both from a messaging standpoint, but you got to get your message out There you got to saturate the airways. So please get involved. And then you got to staff. There's so many expenses that go into these campaigns. So please consider doing [e-mail] Blake, do we have any questions?

[Blake Neff]

We have a few. We have someone saying if Representative Biggs is going to eliminate property taxes. Do you say that or was it income tax?

[Andrew Colvett]

Income tax.

[Blake Neff]

Income tax. So they were saying it applies equally, that the way to fill the gap would be to move to consumption taxes. How will we keep the people from being taxed to death when they buy a car or a house? Would that affect free markets and consumption? That's from Glenda.

[Andrew Colvett]

50 seconds.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, so, so the way to think of it is we also have marvelous resources that we can get extraction fees for. And, and that will help. And so, so the other aspect to it is, is you actually free up land so we can build more houses. That will help as well. So, so there are ways to get at that, and we're ready to get at that. So we're going to be okay. Plus, as Andrew was saying, we're going to reduce spending in a lot of areas because there's so much fraud. You got one program that the estimate is $6 billion a year in fraud. So there's a lot of ways to clean this up.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. We've got 10 seconds to radio. Last segment with the great Andy Biggs. We'll be back in just a few seconds. All right. Welcome back to Charlie Kirk show Final segment with Andy Biggs. The great Andy Biggs, future governor of the state of Arizona. We have more emails for him, questions for Andy.

[Blake Neff]

We have, we have Debbie, who's very upset that windmills are being built in Apache county, where I believe she lives. She's asking, are you aware of this? And she says, they will destroy beautiful Northern Arizona. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

[Andy Biggs]

You know, she's exactly right. And they don't do much, and when they run out of their life, it's just this poisonous hole that's there and it just stays there. So that's one of the reasons I'm, I'm for. Let's get back to clean coal, natural gas and nuclear. That's, that's where we need to be and that's where I'll be fighting for. But I've also been fighting for it at the federal level. I'll just tell you that, that it was the, the Freedom Caucus and myself working with President Trump. That's why you actually have these higher tariffs and These, these advisories that came out saying unless you're actually in the ground with construction, you cannot get to a fan. Fans, windmills.

[Andrew Colvett]

And they're big fans.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, they're big fans. Windmills and, and solar. So. So we're fighting it at the federal level too.

[Andrew Colvett]

I have one from Greg. He says, do you know essentially what has changed in AZ elections? Do we have confidence that the same old shenanigans are not going to happen again?

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. So here's, here's the way to think of it. President Trump said too big to rig. Turning Point, got out enough voters that we were too big to rig. You have in Maricopa county, which is the problem county. You have a new county recorder who's running it with, with good county supervisors. He's trying to clean up the vote. Yeah, Justin Heap. He's trying to clean up the voter rolls. If we can get the voter rolls cleaned up this time, get a good turnout, we should get a good win. And then after we get that win, we're going to fix it at the state legislature so we can codify the Florida.

[Andrew Colvett]

That was a really big election that I don't think necessarily all people are aware of. Justin Heap at the county level in Maricopa. I mean, in Maricopa, as Maricopa goes, so goes Arizona. I mean, there's, there's. Yeah, there would be math that maybe that wasn't the case, but that's essentially the way the state is. So to have Justin in that place, strong election integrity guy, really big boost for, for the base for conservatives. Yeah, more.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, that's actually all the questions we have.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, so. Well, geez, I thought we got.

[Blake Neff]

Well, we have someone asking if we could ban Sharia law at the federal level.

[Andy Biggs]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

So I think we'd support.

[Andy Biggs]

But so just so you know, I, my team is drafting a bill to do that very thing and there's another bill that I've signed on to that just doesn't have enough teeth, in my opinion, that kind of attacks it. Sharia law is inconsistent with Americans Constitutional law. So we've got to fix that. And yeah, we're working on that. At the federal level.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, we've had that proposal. It's come up a few times since 911 and often I would roll my eyes at it. I thought, okay, is this really a big deal? But now you look at, especially in European countries where it's getting to a higher percentage where you just have, you actually have lawmakers getting elected who say that they want it or you see you Know, if a city becomes entirely taken over by Islamic representation, these sort of Sharia assumptions start to worm their way into things. So you actually can't ignore it anymore.

[Andy Biggs]

Dearborn, Michigan. Think of Dearborn, Michigan, which, which they want to impose Sharia law in Dearborn, Michigan. You've got a town in Northern Texas, same thing. They're trying to impose Sharia law in those towns, too.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, and you know, and we've said this before, but there was a couple of things that Charlie really fixated on, you know, right up until the end, and one of them was, you know, Islam and the fact that there were incompatibilities with Western societies, Western civilization. It was a really, a big call and a big warning to all of us. And he was, he was laser focused on that issue. And so it's, you know, you'd like to think maybe in Arizona that's not as big of a problem. Right. As it is in Dearborn, but we all have to have our eyes on it. And I love that you're leading the charge at a federal level. We've got about a minute left here with you. Final pitch to the audience. What can they do? How do they help and how are we going to get this done?

[Andy Biggs]

So, yeah, bigs for arizona.com, please go there. Petitions, amplify our social media. That would be great. Donations are great. But let's just tell you real quick how we're going to fix this. So I told you that we're going to meet, we're going to get these bills in line, but when they get in line, you still have two months to get sworn in. So we're going to get sworn in early in the morning, get those committees with all the bills assigned. So you go day one, day two, day three, first read, second read, third read. By the end of the week, I'll be signing bills like the Election Integrity, the Florida Election Integrity Law, the anti CCP ownership in Arizona. These are the, these are the bills that, that we have to get through quickly. I know how to do it. And that's why so many legislators, current and former, that are excited about my candidacy because they know how we do this and how we're going to get this and make it work.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, God bless you. And we know that you not only are the right man for the job, but you know how to do the job already. So you're coming in with just a wealth of experience. Charlie was behind you. We are behind you. Turning point action is behind you. And we're gonna, we're gonna get this done and you're crushing in the polls, so we like where we're at. We'll be back tomorrow on the Charlie Kirk Show. We'll see you then. This is the story of the One.

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