The Charlie Kirk Show, September 16, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show — Real America’s Voice (September 16, 2025)

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A special tribute episode following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, hosted by executive producer Andrew Colvett and featuring prominent guests Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Ben Shapiro. The episode is a heartfelt reflection on Charlie Kirk's impact, his unique legacy in conservative media and activism, and an impassioned discussion about mourning, justice, American political violence, and the future of the movement he built.

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Main Purpose & Overview

• To honor and remember Charlie Kirk after his assassination.
• Provide reflections from close friends and ideological allies on Kirk’s life, values, and unique contributions.
• Discuss the implications of political violence in America, the ideological roots of such acts, and the vital need for unity, order, and justice within the conservative movement.
• Lay groundwork for continuing and expanding Kirk’s legacy at Turning Point USA and beyond.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy & Uniqueness

• Impressive Dual Skill Set: Kirk is described as “an impressive guy” both in charisma and behind-the-scenes organizing (Matt Walsh, 14:20). Unlike most, he excelled in both public debate and coalition-building.

  “He did something that I don't think anyone else can do... He was this compelling, incredible, charismatic speaker, but also this force behind the scenes and organizing. We built this incredible institution.” — Matt Walsh [14:20]

• Irreplaceable Figure: All three guests emphasize that Kirk is irreplaceable, likening him to historic figures such as Rush Limbaugh.

  “There is no new Charlie Kirk... We're blessed to have Charlie once, and we're not going to have him again.” — Matt Walsh [15:25]

• Coalition Building: Ben Shapiro highlights Kirk’s natural talent for bringing together disparate parts of the conservative movement and expanding its reach to new audiences.

  “The thing Charlie was always amazing at... was coalition building. He was always an unbelievably great coalition builder.” — Ben Shapiro [41:51]

• Normalcy and Innocence: Kirk is remembered for his “innocent at heart” nature and “pure normalcy”—a relatable, energetic “normie” who remained grounded and focused on positive messaging.

  “Charlie wasn’t larger than life. He just was life... So normal. That's why people connected to Charlie.” — Ben Shapiro [44:05]

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2. Shock, Grief, and Righteous Anger

• Collective Mourning and Rage: The guests articulate a unique blend of personal grief, national loss, and anger over Kirk’s murder—not just as a private tragedy, but as a blow to the political order and the prospects of national restoration.

  “I just put my phone down, and I was filled with grief, shock, but rage, just overwhelming anger. And I've felt that ever since that moment. It hasn't gone away... my anger is only intensified.” — Matt Walsh [16:53]

• Demand for Justice: They express deep skepticism about generalized calls for “unity” and instead insist that justice for Kirk must precede any reconciliation.

  “I'm not interested in conversations about unity and togetherness and Kumbaya hand holding... What we need is justice for this man who was robbed from us, and we need it now.” — Matt Walsh [18:24]

• Anger at Judicial System: News that the accused assassin’s charges had been downgraded, allowing for potential release, is met with outrage.

  “This assassin degree could be released at some point... This is so utterly outrageous and infuriating to me.” — Michael Knowles [31:13]

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3. Cultural and Spiritual Impact

• Spiritual Leadership: Kirk’s influence extended beyond politics into faith, with wide-reaching effects on religious communities.

  “Every synagogue that I know of did a tribute to Charlie Kirk over the weekend. On Shabbat.” — Ben Shapiro [41:51]

• “Tent Revivals” on Campus: Kirk’s campus events are reframed as modern religious revivals that coupled political activism with faith outreach.

  “This show would feed into the campus events, which I now call basically campus tent revivals...telling people to follow Jesus, repent and be saved.” — Andrew Colvett [58:42]

• Role Model to Youth: Kirk’s ability to communicate with and inspire a “generation in need of this advice,” as seen in viral clips giving young men guidance and advocating for personal responsibility and traditional values.

  “Get your act together and really make self control and self discipline a priority in your life.” — Charlie Kirk (via replayed clip) [60:06]

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4. Violence, Ideology, and the Left

• Roots of Political Violence: The hosts dissect the ideological justifications on the left for violence, focusing on transgender activism, “speech is violence” rhetoric, and the demonization of opponents as existential threats.

  “If you do not affirm these people... you are killing them. When you do that, and then one of those people goes and kills one of the people that you made that claim about—it is 100% also your fault.” — Matt Walsh [98:16]

• Celebration of Violence and Its Public Response: References to prominent left-wing personalities (e.g., Hasan Piker) who have used explicitly violent rhetoric, noting the mainstreaming of such figures in media coverage.

  “Soak the streets in blood... Slice and dice your opponents and leave their intestines writhing on the stage.” — (Described quotes from Hasan Piker, [112:31])

• Comparison of Right and Left Reactions to Violence: The panel points out that, in the aftermath, conservatives do not riot or destroy property, while indicating that the left would in the reverse scenario, arguing that the right is fundamentally invested in civilization and order.

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5. What’s Next? Continuing the Movement

• Picking Up the Load: The movement cannot be replaced by a single individual. Instead, those Charlie inspired must share and carry forward his mission.

  “His movement is going to have to be the replacement, right? Everybody is going to have to do their part.” — Ben Shapiro [42:33]

• Surge of Participation: Following Kirk’s death, there’s a notable increase in Turning Point USA chapter requests and grassroots engagement.

  “We have been inundated from the grassroots, these young kids. We're probably at 40,000 new, maybe more new chapter requests to start new chapters.” — Michael Knowles [80:20]

• Daily Wire Supports TPUSA: Announcement of a $1 million donation from Daily Wire to TPUSA underscores the resolve to continue Kirk’s work.

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6. Calls for Justice, Unity, and Order

• Order Before Liberty: The need for justice and order is depicted as a prerequisite for civil discourse and liberty.

  “There is no liberty without order, and there is no civilization in which half the country is going to dance when the other half is murdered.” — Michael Knowles [122:20]

• Unity With Purpose: Emphasis that unity must be around shared values—biblical, conservative, and pro-civilization—not just for its own sake.

  “You have to unite around something... Long term unity...is about building around those core values.” — Ben Shapiro [123:36]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kirk’s Legacy & Personality

  “Charlie wasn't larger than life. He just was life. He was just so alive and so normal. So normal. That's why people connected to Charlie.” — Ben Shapiro [44:05]

• On Coalition Building

  “Charlie was born talented at a great many things. And then there are the things that he legitimately made himself the best in the world at.” — Ben Shapiro [45:13]

• On Political Activism

  “If you say a man is not a woman, that is not a cancelable offense or should not be. And yet that was a cancelable offense for half of our industry.” — Andrew Colvett [54:12]

• On Political Violence

  “We have disagreements about how to do that... but all of us are fans of civilization. And so we just inherently recognize that when you see a guy walk up to a healthcare CEO and shoot him... you cannot have a civilization if that is allowed to happen.” — Matt Walsh [108:57]

• On Moving Forward

  “We can't build it around the man, but we can build it around the values that he left behind and that he spent his entire life fighting for.” — Ben Shapiro [123:36]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [14:20–19:00]: Reflections on Charlie Kirk’s uniqueness, “no replacement” theme, and personal grief and rage.
• [41:51–47:21]: Ben Shapiro on Kirk’s coalition building and innocence, tributes from around the world, and teaching kids using Kirk’s content.
• [58:42–60:56]: “Tent revival” metaphor for campus activism; replayed viral clip on masculinity and self-discipline.
• [78:41–83:04]: Response to “what now,” continuing scheduled campus events, surge in TPUSA participation, and Daily Wire’s $1M donation.
• [98:16–102:37]: Analysis of ideological roots of violence, especially connected to trans activism and leftist narratives.
• [112:31–113:44]: Discussion of left-wing incitement rhetoric and calls for robust legal responses.
• [120:15–125:07]: Concluding thoughts on justice, order, unity, and how to continue Kirk’s vision.

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Closing – The Path Forward

The episode closes with a call to personal and collective action: pursue justice, unify around foundational values (faith, family, freedom), support the work and expansion of Turning Point USA, and honor both the innocence and strength that defined Charlie Kirk’s activism. The hosts agree that only by channeling grief and righteous anger into spiritual, cultural, and political engagement can Kirk’s legacy endure and thrive.

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This summary captures the main themes, standout moments, and actionable insights from the September 16, 2025 tribute episode of The Charlie Kirk Show.

Transcript

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[Michael Knowles]

There is no mountain that stands tall as your faithfulness.

[Matt Walsh]

There is no river that runs wide as your goodness. Man, Charlie, I, I remember when we were starting these out and it was that, like that, you know, it was like this, it was like, it was like your average three rows. It was like your average political meeting where there was like 12 people in a room. And this is, this is awesome. This, in my personal opinion, was the most over the top Trump event that I've ever covered. This is the number one boots on the ground operation in the country. We're working directly in harmony with the Trump campaign. It's been vetted, it's been cleared, it's been blessed, as you can see there. And we're going to try to win this thing. No guarantees. It's what we do that matters. Mr. President, I can tell you this room is 100% with you and we have your back. God bless you. Thank you. As you know, we are heading on campus here momentarily at the University of South Florida, throwing it down with the students. It's going to be a lot of fun. We are excited to continue this cultural movement that we have started at Turning Point usa. More high school chapters, more college chapters. And disagreement is not just welcome, it is invited. We want to have those tough conversations. That's what it's all about. Because you're not supposed to be involved in this. You're supposed to just kind of be on the vote for me every four years, give me more political power and stay out of my business. And what has happened is we are seeing an explosion in citizen participation.

[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

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I'll ever need.

[Matt Walsh]

Knock on that extra door, Go that extra mile, Talk to that extra friend. Because throughout voting month and culminating on the 5th of November, I believe it will go down as a day that people remember, as a day that is written about history books, as the final battle. From the Golden Escalator on down from defeating Hillary Clinton, from the nonsense of 2020 from Butler, Pennsylvania, November 5, it all culminates where we restore the promise that the founders gave us. And they said, hey, if the people want it, the people get it and we the people take back America. God bless Arizona and thank you so much. Every day the American people demand certain accomplishments and victories. Disagreement is what keeps a movement alive, keeps a movement fun. Here in this country. We are a country of flourishing. We're a country of risk taking. We're a country of building. We will achieve American greatness. And we are just getting started.

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Every day is a battle for your mind Raging information coming from every ang with the will to deceive. Fear not, you found the place for truth the voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett]

Buckle up.

[Matt Walsh]

Here we go everybody.

[Michael Knowles]

Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show. I am joined by some very dear friends of Charlie and of course they need no introduction. That would be in no particular order. From my right to left, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Ben Shapiro. And I want to explain how this even happened. Obviously, we had the Vice President of the United States honor Charlie by guest hosting the show from the White House yesterday. I was just in D.C. yesterday for that and it was an amazing experience. Gotten so much great feedback. And of course we are so honored that JD Wanted to take time, you know, from running the country and leading the world to help honor his friend Charlie Kirk. And in the moments that passed, right after we got the news, I was in a state of shock. And one of the things that gave me some solace and gave me some comfort in those first few hours afterwards was I actually happened to see a tweet from Matt Walsh, and I could feel the visceral anger that was pouring out of his body onto the post on X. And it's hard to explain why that gave me so much comfort, but I knew that there was an army rising up with righteous anger at what had just happened to my friend and to the host of this show. And within minutes of that, I got a call from the CEO of Daily Wire just asking if there was anything he could do. And I said, yes, send the team. I'm going to want them to guest host this show. And so I asked, and they graciously granted the request. And here they are on Tuesday. It was originally gonna be Monday, but you guys got slightly outclassed.

[Andrew Colvett]

We got bumped. Can't believe it. Just terrible.

[Matt Walsh]

First of all, thanks for having us. And no place we'd rather be, obviously. But if the idea is that Charlie's friends are gonna take turns stopping by and doing the show, then the show is gonna go on until about 2052, I think, because Charlie had a lot of friends.

[Michael Knowles]

You're going to be aged out by then, so you'll be off the list. But we'll figure something out. We'll take care of you, Michael. But, Matt, first to you, tell me what happened in your heart, in that. In those first moments, or however you want to do this, what Charlie meant to you, however you want to take this. But those first moments meant a lot to me, so I would love to just let me into that headspace.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah. Well, first of all, thanks for allowing us to do this. It's obviously a great. A great honor as well as, of course, in the midst of this. Of this great tragedy. I think, you know, Charlie was a great man. He was a patriot. He was, you know, he loved God, he loved his family. All that came through. But the word that keeps coming to my mind when I think about Charlie is, in fact, it's the word that I used after I met Charlie the first time and I called my wife. And it's just impressive. He was an impressive guy. And that was. That's the thought that I had when I. When I met him. And I knew he was impressive based on his work, but just meeting him in person, he's just this really impressive guy, and he he did something that I don't think anyone else can do, certainly in this business, and that he was this compelling, incredible, charismatic speaker, but also this force behind the scenes and organizing. We built this incredible institution. Now, in this business, there are some people who can be personalities and can talk in front of the camera, although I think no one did it as well as Charlie. And then there are people who are kind of the organizers behind the scenes. I don't know anyone who was an A plus talent in both areas. And yet Charlie was, which is why you kind of hear this conversation now, which is inevitable, about, well, who's going to replace Charlie? Who's going to be the new Charlie Kirk? And I. And I am truly sorry to say that the answer is nobody. There is no new Charlie Kirk. It's just like when Rush Limbaugh died and there was a conversation about, who's the new Rush? There is no new Rush. You only get one Rush in your lifetime. You only get one Charlie Kirk. We're blessed to have Charlie once, and we're not going to have him again. Now, all the rest of us can try to pick up the legacy and. And live out his legacy and carry it forward, which we will, but we can't be Charlie Kirk. And I think that's why you mentioned the anger. That was just like millions of other people when I. I'll never forget where I was when I. When I first saw and heard about this. I was sitting in my car. I was about to walk into a coffee shop and just get a cup of coffee, and I got a text from someone saying, what's going on with Charlie Kirk? And then I went on Twitter, and I'm looking around and there's all this. You know, at the time, it was kind of felt like rumors or something, and I didn't. I wasn't sure. I started Texas texting Michael and Ben. And then I heard about a shooting. And. And in the back of my mind, I, I kind of was. I was concerned, but I wasn't that concerned because I thought, well, there's no way. What do. They can't kill Charlie Kirk. It's just like, it can't happen. That cannot happen. And then. And I'll never forget just kind of frantically scrolling around texting, what the hell's going on? And. And, And. And the video of the video just popped up on the screen. And I saw it, and I'll never unsee it. And I just put my phone down, and I was filled with grief, shock, but. But rage, just overwhelming anger. And I'VE felt that ever since that moment. It hasn't gone away. In fact, my anger is only intensified. And there's a lot of reasons for it. It was a horrible atrocity, what was done to him. Anger for his family. Most of all, anger for a lot of people, but also anger for the country. Because you took someone from us, from all of us. That's why I think there's this outpour, this just incredible outpouring of mourning and grief is because we all feel it. Whether you knew him or not, whether you were friends or not, we all feel that you took something from us. You took someone from us that we needed, and you had no right to do that. Which is why we could talk about the grief and the mourning and all of that, and we should. But we also need to talk about justice, that we need justice for Charlie. We need justice for all of us. Justice for his family. You know, we can. Which is why I'm not interested in conversations about unity and togetherness and Kumbaya hand holding and all that. I know some people, it might comfort them to talk that way, but we don't have time for that right now. What we need is justice for this, for this man who was robbed from us, and we need it now.

[Michael Knowles]

Much was made about JD's closing yesterday when he talked about unity and. But he said, first, we need truth. Did you have a chance to hear that? And what's your take?

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, I thought. Well, I thought jd, I thought his. I thought it was incredible. What I think, in fact, J.D. vance's, you know, monologue took it towards the end of his. Of the show yesterday, I thought was tremendous. And before that, I also want to say that Erica's speech.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Matt Walsh]

Was, I honestly believe, one of the greatest speeches I've ever seen anyone give. I think it's one of the great speeches ever delivered when you consider the circumstances, but then also just the message. And look, Erica was under no obligation to give the country what it needs. You know, Erica could just go out there and say how she feels, and it's our obligation to comfort her and to be there for her. And yet she did, in fact, give the country what it needs, because she didn't give us. She didn't withhold the anger like we saw that she is angry. And she wants justice for her husband. Righteous, loving anger. Anger that's rooted in the love that she has for her children and her husband. And I think it was so beautiful and important for us to see that.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Guess what? She did it right where you're sitting. That's where that the Erica Kirk speech happened. We put the podium right where your chair is. We have a short break. Thank you for that. That was amazing. We'll be right.

[Matt Walsh]

A new NFL season means a fresh start and fresh styles. @nflshop.com you'll find the latest jerseys, hats and sideline gear to rep your team all season long. From rookies making their debut to legends, NFLShop.com has it all. Score exclusive styles you won't find anywhere else and show up ready for every kickoff and big play fan like a pro and shop [e-mail] the US electric grid is approaching a breaking point as demand soars from data centers and home energy use. Our aging infrastructure can't keep up and the Department of Energy warns that without action, blackouts could surge 100 fold by 2030. The good news? One solution is already here. Propane. It's American made, stored on site and always ready. Powering homes and businesses with cleaner, reliable energy that doesn't depend on the grid or the weather. Learn [e-mail] Take a deep dive into.

[Andrew Colvett]

The stories making the news headlines across the world.

[Matt Walsh]

The News Agents we're not just here to tell you what's happening, but why? From me, Emily Maitlis and me, John Sopel with Global's award winning podcast the News Agents Dropping daily covering everything you need to know about politics and current.

[Andrew Colvett]

Affairs and the newsagents USA listening to.

[Matt Walsh]

The newsagents on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search the newsagents to start listening.

[Michael Knowles]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Past performance is not an indicator of future results.

[Matt Walsh]

All investing involves a risk loss. Individual investment results may vary.

[Michael Knowles]

Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously the goal is a championship. That's there's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast in case you missed it with Christina Williams, the WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace the new challenge.

[Matt Walsh]

That we have for all the biggest.

[Michael Knowles]

Stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way and we're hoping to, you know, make a run. So listen to in case you missed it with Christina Williams, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Walsh]

Terrence Bates here with your Real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump is on his way to Great Britain for a Royal State visit. He and the first lady boarded Air Force One earlier this morning. They'll meet with King Charles at Windsor Cast first thing tomorrow morning.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, my relationship is very good with.

[Matt Walsh]

The UK And Charles, as you know, who's now king, is my friend. And it's the first time this has ever happened where somebody was honored twice.

[Andrew Colvett]

So it's a great honor.

[Matt Walsh]

And this one's at Windsor. They've never used Windsor Castle for this before. They use Buckingham Palace.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't want to say one's better.

[Andrew Colvett]

Than the other, but they say Windsor.

[Matt Walsh]

Castle is the ultimate right. So it's going to be nice, but basically up there also, they want to.

[Andrew Colvett]

See if they can refine the trade deal a little bit.

[Matt Walsh]

During the visit, 47 is scheduled to meet with the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer as well. The two will attend a reception with business leaders. Sources say a massive US UK Tech partnership may be announced. The deal would reportedly center on AI and cybersecurity. The Israeli military is expanding its ground offensive in Gaza City and warning residents there to leave it is the latest escalation in the conflict and it comes on the heels of Secretary of State Marco Rubio meeting with Israeli Prime Minister.

[Andrew Colvett]

Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday.

[Matt Walsh]

Israel's Defense Minister says, quote, we will not relent and we will not go back until the completion of this mission. The Secretary of State left Israel and immediately made a stop in Qatar, whose leaders are still upset about Israel's attack on Hamas leaders in Doha, Qatar last week. Week. He says there's a very short window of time to reach a ceasefire or a peace deal between Israel and Hamas. The man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk is expected to officially be charged with capital murder as soon as today. His initial court appearance is scheduled for later today by video from his cell. We're expecting a new news conference.

[Andrew Colvett]

Excuse me.

[Matt Walsh]

Confirming the charges this afternoon.

[Andrew Colvett]

On Monday, FBI Director Cash Patel confirmed.

[Matt Walsh]

Confirmed the 22 year old suspect's DNA was found on a towel that was wrapped around the rifle believed to have been used to kill Charlie Kirk. That's a quick check of your headlines. More to come a little bit later.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. As we remember our friend and the host of this show, who's, by the way, his chair is empty. Nobody could ever fill it. And we are honored by our friend's presence. Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro. Guys, I'm gonna look over here. What do you remember about Charlie? You know, the first thing you say on this show is, I want to make sure each of you has your own moment for this. So we'll start with you, Mike.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, look, it's hitting everyone, obviously. It's hitting millions of people who never met the guy, but who felt very, very close to him because they were with him all day in their pockets and reels. And for those of us who were friends with him for many years, you know, it hits in a personal way, in the same way that it hits when any family member or friend dies. I realized, which is that part of what you're mourning is not just the person, but you're mourning this future that you had imagined for the person and with the person. And I think that's especially true with Charlie because this is not in any way hyperbolic. Everybody who knew Charlie knew this guy was going to be the president. I think. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic at all. You just meet the guy or you just see him from afar and you say this guy's going to be president for all the reasons that you were mentioning Matt earlier. Not only did he kill it in front of the camera and on the stage. But he was this unbelievable operative organizer, extremely effective political figure behind the scenes, and he just had it. I just don't know. He just had greater skill and talent than any other political figure of our generation. And so you say, well, he's going to be president. And when it happened, you know, I was texting my wife and she texted me. She said, do you see what happened? I said, yeah, yeah. She said, it can't. That can't have happened. She goes, I know, I saw it. We all saw it. I actually didn't see the video, thank God. But she said, we all saw it. And so we know it happened and yet it couldn't have happened. And I think that that's the feeling that a lot of us have. And obviously, Charlie would have known more than anybody, nobody is promised tomorrow. He understood the risks of a public life. He understood better than most people that the condition that the country is in right now. But I think this is what really drives it home, because, as you know, we don't need to even dignify them with much discussion, but there have been some very hideous responses to Charlie's assassination, not only from fringe lunatics, which you get all the time, but from mainstream voices, from normie voices, from the person you went to third grade with on Facebook, and from elite media outlets. And I think that was. That really shakes a lot of people because Charlie, being the premier political talent of our generation, being so generous, so gracious, so constantly charitable, being so totally mainstream, I think a lot of people see more, not only this good man, this innocent man who was murdered, but they say, man, would half the country cheer it if something happened to me, too, or to my brother or to my co workers, to. You know, there's this recognition that. That people are feeling two things. One, everyone who's never even met Charlie is feeling this personal loss, but also this political loss. We feel that something about our political order has gone down with this guy who was the best example of it. And it's why people are not going to get over it for a long time, nor should they get over it, because it really has to impel action. We cannot continue in this way. And the people who are undermining the very basic foundations of our country and of our society, they need to be punished for it in a just and prudent and lawful way, but they need to be discouraged and suppressed because we cannot tolerate this.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I love what you said there. And I'm just struck. And we don't have to get into this now. But, you know, there was news this morning that the charges against Luigi Maggione had been downgraded and he's now, there's no option for life without parole. So there's a chance that this assassin.

[Matt Walsh]

I hadn't heard.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes, this assassin degree could be released at some point. And he's a young guy, so, yes, in theory, this man might walk the streets free again. This is so utterly outrageous and infuriating to me. And that's, you know, I fired off a tweet this morning about it because I was, I was like, you know, do you not understand the moment that we are in? How dare you not if you're the judge and you think this is the way you're going to go, at least kick the can a week or two. But to spit in our face.

[Matt Walsh]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

So I get enraged by that. And anyway, so we've, we're running. We've got about a minute here left. So, Ben, you've been so patient, you guys.

[Matt Walsh]

Luckily, he talks the fastest.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, exactly. Yeah. So you get a minute now, Ben, because I know you can do it. But this is why you guys all host your own shows, right? Because you've just monologued on me. We will have an actual discussion here coming up. But I want to make sure we don't shortchange Ben because candidly, when I first started working with Charlie, I mean, Ben, you were the campus guy. And it's interesting how everything evolved, but we looked up to you and what you were doing so much. And I remember actually meeting with you with Charlie in, you know, Ventura Boulevard in Los Angeles. And, you know, it's many moons ago, but, you know, we're fondly remembering them now because it's how this whole community, community was knit together. So we'll be back. The Charlie Kirk show with Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles and Ben Shapiro.

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[Matt Walsh]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. A defiant FBI Director Cash Patel sits before the Senate Judiciary Committee to answer questions about everything from the agency's investigation of Charlie Kirk's assassination to the inner workings of the FBI.

[Andrew Colvett]

And in closing, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee and Ranking Member Durbin, I'm honored to be the ninth director of the FBI. I'm not going anywhere. If you want to criticize my 16 years of service, please bring it on over to you.

[Matt Walsh]

During his testimony, Patel promised that the bureau will continue its quest for transparency.

[Andrew Colvett]

As for the investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder, Patel applauded the cooperative work happening.

[Matt Walsh]

Between his agents and state and local law enforcement in Utah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Quote, tyler Robinson is in custody today.

[Matt Walsh]

Because of this partnership. Embattled Federal Reserve Board member Lisa Cook is present today at the Federal Reserve's opening of its two day policy meeting. A federal appeals court ruled on Monday.

[Andrew Colvett]

That President Trump can't fire her.

[Matt Walsh]

47 was looking to give Cook a pink slip amid an investigation into allegations that she committed mortgage fraud. The Trump administration is expected to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court.

[Andrew Colvett]

In the meantime, President Trump will have an ally.

[Matt Walsh]

At today's meeting, Steven Mirren was confirmed to fill an open seat on the Fed's board.

[Andrew Colvett]

He was tapped for the job by.

[Matt Walsh]

President Trump after serving as the chair.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of the Council of Economic Advisers to the president.

[Matt Walsh]

All eyes will also be on this week's policy meeting, which wraps up tomorrow to see if the central bank decides to lower interest rates for the first time of this current Trump presidency. President Trump sending the National Guard into Memphis, Tennessee, in an effort to bring crime down there. It's the latest city being targeted in the president's nationwide law and order crackdown. The move is being made possible with the help of Tennessee's Republican Governor Bill Lee, who was on hand in the Oval Office as President Trump signed the order on Monday. The president's order creates a special task force in Memphis comprised of the FBI.

[Andrew Colvett]

Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

[Matt Walsh]

As well as the U.S. marshals Services. Those federal agencies will join the National.

[Andrew Colvett]

Guard in an effort similar to what.

[Matt Walsh]

We saw in Washington, D.C.

[Andrew Colvett]

This movement.

[Matt Walsh]

Will not be silenced. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a great bumper. Andrew Colvett here, executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show, joined by our friends Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro. Ben, the floor is finally yours. I feel, feel bad. Is at 9:33 here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not at all.

[Michael Knowles]

Fine. But yeah, please.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think the thing for all of us about Charlie is that everyone felt Charlie used the word innocent earlier. Michael, it wasn't just that he was innocent in the sense, obviously that he was an innocent person. He was truly innocent at heart. Charlie didn't change from the time that I knew him at 18 years old. I mean, the first time I met Charlie and I've talked about this before was the breakers in Palm beach. And he was walking around, he had just started turning Point. And he was like very scrawny at the time, but very tall. His bean pole. And he was just a bundle of energy, which never stopped. I mean, legitimately, endless levels of energy. If you're talking about meeting Charlie, Charlie was just energetic all the time. All the time. I don't know where it came from. And he was walking around the breakers as a kid trying to gather donors. And he came up to me as, Mr. Shapiro, great to meet you. And it was like I wasn't used to me calling Mr. I was like 28 and Charlie was 18. And Charlie, I met him, I turned to Jeremy Boreing, the other co founder of the Daily Wire, and I said to him, that guy's gonna be the head of the rnc. There's just no doubt. And as I've said before, you saw it that early, the first meeting. The first meeting, right off the bat you could tell because this is the thing about Charlie, the way that people know Charlie as this unbelievably talented debater and a terrific broadcaster and an unbelievably clear advocate for his values and for biblical values and for truth. And the reason that legitimately, tens of millions of people are mourning him. And I mean, I should just say from a Jewish perspective, every synagogue that I know of did a tribute to Charlie Kirk over the weekend. Like an Shabbat. They stopped the services to do tributes to Charlie, which is an amazing testament to who Charlie was. But you could tell that early that Charlie. The thing is, Charlie got good at those things. The thing Charlie was always amazing at, the thing he had an inherent talent for was coalition building. He was always an unbelievably great coalition builder. I mean, it's something actually that Tucker talked about yesterday on JD's show. And that's an amazing thing. I mean, this is a fractious coalition, and America's a fractious country. And to have somebody with the ability and to dedicate his time and effort to actually building those coalitions is really tough. To the point where, you know, he's able to bring together people who can, you know, disagree on an enormous number of things and still point their ships in the same direction. Tucker Carlson and I talked on Friday. Okay, now, everybody knows that Tucker and I have, you know, had our disagreements and have our disagreements about an enormous number of policy issues. And I'm sure at some point we'll publicly discuss those issues and talk about our differences and all that, but that doesn't matter because we're gonna point our ships in the direction that Charlie wanted those ships to be pointed, which is in the direction of making the country stronger and better. And that was Charlie's gift. That was the thing that Charlie was amazing at. He had innate talent for that. All the other stuff I watched him cultivate over the course of 13 years. I watched him get good at debate. I watched him become a charismatic speaker. Charlie was not a naturally charismatic speaker. He became. That is an unbelievable skill to be able to. To actually better yourself in all of these ways and get better every day at doing them. So that by the time that this horrifying act of evil happened, he was just the best there was at it. That is just an incredible testament to not only the amount of determination and energy and grit that Charlie put into things, and that rolled off him. Every time he met him. He's just again, bouncing around the room every time he met him because he had another thing to do, another thing to do. And the fact that I remember when I got the. When I started getting the texts, obviously I kept saying on the show, and I've said it for days since, there are no words. And I'm rarely at a loss for words. There are legitimately no words. But the thing that I remember stunning me is when they reported, when the headlines came up with his age, because I was like, I've known Charlie for a long time. And so you think of Charlie as, you know, somebody who, you know, grew up with you. Which is. Which is true. The fact that Charlie was 31 years old and had accomplished all of these things. I mean, just. When. When Matt, you say irreplaceable. Utterly irreplaceable. I mean, just Completely irreplaceable. Which is why everybody, I mean, this is why his movement is going to have to be the replacement, right? Everybody is going to have to do their part. Because when a giant drops the load, it's got to be a bunch of normies who pick it up. But I think that's the other thing about, about Charlie, aside from the fact that he was a giant, I said this on the show a couple of days ago, is that, you know, people describe people as larger than life. Charlie wasn't larger than life. He just was life. He was just so alive and so normal. So normal. That's why people connected to Charlie, right? He wasn't a Persona.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

There are so many people in the space and in the political space who are just kind of like caricatures of themselves and Personas and performative and all this kind of crap. And Charlie wasn't any of those things, Right. Charlie was a guy who had to be taught not to wear a baggy suit. As we were talking about off the air. Yeah. Charlie was a guy who, as you mentioned, someone told him he had Riz and he said, what the hell is Riz? Right? That's who Charlie was. And the fact that a normie can change the world that way, I mean, and that's what Charlie was. He was saying normal, good, innocent things. The kinds of things that you want your children to grow up with. The kind of. I'm going to show my kids videos of Charlie. And my kids are like 11. I, I have four and they range from 11 to two. I can show them Charlie Kirk videos.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, Charlie, Charlie used to always check us and say, no, like if we were. Had some content idea. And you go, there's 10 year olds watching, there's 14 year olds watching. Always remember, he brought in, he brought.

[Andrew Colvett]

An innocence to the world, but an innocence with a level of sophistication in how to approach the world. And that is, that is so difficult to do because people who are innocent tend not to know how to do the other thing, the activism thing and the coalition building thing.

[Michael Knowles]

He's a five tool athlete.

[Andrew Colvett]

Unbelievable, like truly amazing. And developed tools that weren't even in his arsenal at the beginning. This is why, you know, people talk about Charlie being talented and they think the talent is a sort of compliment. A lot of people are born talented at a lot of different things. Charlie was born talented at a great many things. And then there are the things that he legitimately made himself the best in the world at. And that was an inspiration to people too. Because if you go back and you just watch the sort of arc of his career and his trajectory, which as Michael says, was going to lead to the White House, I mean, like no one believes any different if you watch that arc. The ability to continue to improve his own trajectory by becoming. That's part of the tragedy is he was getting better at everything and he was already the best. He was getting better at all those things. And that's an amazing, that's an unbelievable thing. And that's what was taken from us. And the other thing is that you just to kind of close out my monologue here. It wasn't just that I received messages from everybody. We all received messages from everybody. Because if you knew Charlie, even tangentially, everybody knew how affected you were by Charlie's death. It wasn't just that. I received messages from all over the world from obviously friends in Argentina and in Britain and in Canada and tons from Israel, obviously. Cuz Charlie, of course, was publicly extremely pro Israel. Not just that. I got messages from people who are very prominent figures, who are liberal, who were deeply disturbed and upset and who are not. I don't want to say that everybody who disagrees with us politically is a person who celebrated Charlie's death, because that's not true. This is the opportunity that Charlie provides. What Charlie was about was opening doors. So all those kids he was talking to on campus, so many of those kids became conservative, became God fearers, went to church on Sunday because of. And they weren't people who already were on Charlie's side. Right. That was, that was Charlie's deal. He took a bunch of people who weren't gonna go to church last Sunday and they all went to church last Sunday. Right. The church pews, from everything I'm hearing, were overflowing.

[Matt Walsh]

Overflowing.

[Michael Knowles]

He said, make heaven. Make heaven. Crowded Charlie.

[Matt Walsh]

I saw the Charlie effect at church because I'm sitting there, we're kind of a buttoned up, more traditional parish. Shocking, I know, and not a lot of tank tops. But I look around, I look around and there were sweatpants and T shirts. And I was so happy to see the sweatpants and T shirts. I knew every single one of them was there for Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so I think that we shouldn't just use this as an opportunity to mobilize on behalf of the things that Charlie believed to carry forward his legacy. His legacy was going to people we disagree with and getting those people to realize that Charlie's principles were right. Right. That's. That's the unbelievable legacy that he Leaves because, again, being murdered in the way that he was doing the thing that Charlie was all about, doing outrage. He was doing outreach. Right. Religious outreach. He was talking about Christ in the question before he was killed. Right. He's doing religious outreach. He's doing political outreach, values outreach, biblically based outreach. And being killed in that way means that there is an opportunity to reach out to people who weren't going to be devotees of Charlie or devotees of the ideas that he espoused. And to ignore that, I think, would be to ignore a huge part of what his legacy can mean. So, yes, I totally agree with the vice president. You can't have unity with people who celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk. You absolutely cannot. Those people are. I'm not going to curse. Those people are the worst that humanity has to offer. The people who celebrate the death of a wonderful person like Charlie and a husband and a father and. I cannot watch the tapes. I mean, you're playing, you know, before the show started, the videos of Charlie with his. I can't watch them. I have such a hard time with that. I mean, because we all have young kids, like, why it's so painful. It's so painful to watch. And knowing that those kids are going to grow up without. About their dad. It's unspeakable. Unspeakable. And people who celebrate that, there are no deaths in hell that are rich enough for those people. But I think that there are people that we can reach out to. And that was always Charlie's idea. There are always people that we can reach out to. He convinced literally millions of young people to move to the other side of the political aisle. And so I think there's an opportunity to make people make that choice. Make that choice. Choose between the demons who are celebrating Charlie's death and the rest of us who would like to have a functional country where we can talk to one another.

[Michael Knowles]

I love what you said. I mean, I do think this is an opportunity. This is a. This is that fork in the road moment as a country where we. And this is, you know, we could get into the whole Cancel. Is it cancel culture debate or whatever, which I personally find to be ridiculous. Because if somebody reveals themselves to be a ghoulish, nasty, vile person, then that employer should have every right to fire a Google instrument.

[Matt Walsh]

If you threaten to murder someone or encourage the murder of someone for speaking their mind, then it actually helps the marketplace of ideas to get that person out. That person is undermining the marketplace. To quote Chesterton, it's the thought that Stops thought. You can't. You need certain foundations, just like any marketplace. You need certain rules and basic guidelines, or else you can't even speak. I can't have a conversation with you if you're gonna threaten to murder.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a deliberate misread of what cancel culture is, of course. This idea that you as an employer, owe it to an employee to continue to employ them after they post in celebration of Charlie's murder.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of course, you don't have an obligation to continue signing a check who is celebrating to somebody who celebrates. Also, murder, like, duh. That's a basic aspect of freedom.

[Matt Walsh]

Also, there's no equivalence. Also, because. And this is the really frustrating thing about this conversation. Oh, the rights engaging in cancel culture. Well, even. Even if I accepted that framing. There's a. There's a difference here in the kinds of things, the kinds of speech that are being quote, unquote, canceled. You know, the left will cancel you if you say that, you know, men can't have babies. That's what cancel culture is. On the left, they'll cancel you for saying things that are true and normal and obvious. And on the right, to the extent that anyone's being canceled, and it's not being done through force of law, certainly not through violence, it's just being done through, you know, free speech and people. Freedom of association. But the extent anyone's getting canceled, they're getting it canceled for saying things that are objectively vile and disgusting and in some cases, illegal. Right. And there's. So there's just. There's a. There's a fundamental difference, like society should treat those things differently.

[Michael Knowles]

We're going to say we're going to pause for radio. We're going to keep this going. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back, everybody. I. So for. This is for the streaming, let's just keep the conversation going, because this is too good. And I love the point you're making because it's truth versus a lie. And I think I hadn't seen it put that way yet, Matt, and I think it's really smart. So. So build it out more without a radio break getting in the way.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, Well, I just think. I think that when we talk about the difference in canceling on the right or the left, there are a lot of other differences, too. One of the big differences is that the right, especially historically over the last several decades, doesn't have the institutional power that the left does. And so when the left cancels you, they're using institutional power to do it. I Mean, they're using big tech platforms, they're using these big tech, big corporations. So they have that institution power that the right doesn't have. So there are a lot of differences. But I think the most important difference, again, it goes down to the actual speech we're talking about. I mean, not all speech is exactly the same. There is just a difference. And so it is good. We should in society react with revulsion to things that are revolting. When someone says something revolting and disgusting, we should react with revulsion and disgust. But when someone says something that is good and normal, we should not react with, with revulsion and disgust. You hypocrite.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on, hold on. I think I've got you. Yeah. No, I mean it, this, it's, it's this common sense stuff that we all know it, and yet somehow it erupts into a debate on X. I think.

[Andrew Colvett]

That what happens is that everybody flattens out these positions into the dumbest version of the argument. There's a sort of pixelation that happens where it's like, well, that means that I should be able to say anything and no one should ever be angry at me. No one should ever criticize me, no matter what I say. And if you do, that's a form of cancel culture. And it's like, no, you've now reduced the argument to the stupidest version of the argument. The argument that I think all of us on the right were trying to make, maybe sometimes ineffectually, but I think correctly, was if you say a man is not a woman, that is not a cancelable offense or should not be. And yet that was a cancelable offense for half of our industry. I mean, legitimately.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, this is the thing that's. And there was an incident that happened just personal memory from 2014 where I was on CNN headline news and there was a transgender identifying person, a very large male transgender identifying person with extraordinary large female hands. And I only remember the size of the hands because grabbed by the back of the neck during that television interview because I had the temerity to call him sir and ask about his genetics. And the entire panel immediately responded by rushing to the defense of the person who was doing the physical assault on camera. And that is the predicate to all of this. There are permission structures that have been created on the left for violence. And these permission structures are deeply evil. And they are not the same thing as saying a man is not a woman. If you are some of the people who we've been watching, we haven't played any of their tapes because they don't, frankly, deserve the airtime, who are out there and making statements about how Charlie deserved what he was gonna get or other people. The New York Times featured a twitch streamer who has spent his days for the last several years defending terrorism, violently threatening people and calling for violence. And the New York Times featured that person in the pages of the New York Times. Are we not supposed to react to that with revulsion, as Matt says? Of course we should react to that with revulsion. It's not the same thing. It's not the same thing.

[Matt Walsh]

We have to recognize the left and the right. When people have, as you point out, what's often a degraded debate about speech, you have to begin with something. You can't think from nothing. You can't speak from nothing. You have to begin with basic truths. And like, men and women are different, for instance, or basic moral goods. CS Lewis called this the dao. Others have called it the natural law or the first principles of practical reason. It's like in math, you have to start with an axiom. A equals A, A plus B equals B plus A. It's not that you can prove those things, but you can't prove anything else without those things. If we now deny that murder is wrong, we're past reason.

[Michael Knowles]

We're going to welcome back radio in just a second, so don't go anywhere.

[Matt Walsh]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I just want to say again, guys, thank you for making the trip here. You know, you guys were so gracious about. I mean, it was. You were just like, anything we could do, you know, can we do more? Can we do more? And we felt that love, and we feel that love. And, you know, so just thank you again because I know getting the three of you in the same spot, we.

[Andrew Colvett]

Don'T even like each other.

[Matt Walsh]

Getting us to voluntarily be around each other. But what we all would. You know, we've been talking to a lot of our friends in the conservative movement, just in the broader American culture. And right now it feels that not just the beating heart of the conservative movement or the Republican Party, it does feel like the beating heart of America is in Phoenix right now. It's a deep usa and so this is the place to be. And however anyone can help, some people can help by spreading the word, starting a chapter, sending a donation, doing whatever they can do, though this is. This is where it's at right now.

[Michael Knowles]

Thank you for saying that. And I also want you guys to know that, you know, Erica feels that, too. I talk To Erica multiple times a day as we're just, you know, because on top of the show duty, it was sort of, you know, I don't think people realize this. I was originally like comms pr, you know, dealing with incoming on Charlie. And then we started the show, and so I still have. I still wear two hats. You know, Charlie would do this, and then he would go run Turning Point. And it was sort of. We just kind of did it together. When we. When we built this part out, it was kind of like our side hobby, which became this moment every day to sharpen ideas. And by the way, when you talk about how Charlie leveled up, it was this microphone, you know, that. That did that for him. Because the number of reps he was putting in every day, he was sharpening and sharpening and sharpening. And we had the sounding board and these. These chats that we have. You know, I'll never delete. I'm gonna. You know, where we're working through, you know, this new news cycle came up, and we gotta figure out how to navigate it. And every day doing that, you're just sharpening your mind, sharpening your mind so that when he would go on campus, it would come out the way it did. And it was amazing how his life was like that, where every piece of it fed into the next, where this show would feed into the campus events, which I'm now gonna call basically campus tent revivals. It just occurred to me this morning, I was like, that's what they were. And you start realizing he buried this stuff in this political conversation, but. But he was telling people to follow Jesus, repent and be saved. You know, listen to the gospel. God wants so much more from you. He wants you to be part of something bigger. It was a tent revival, and thousands came. Thousands came. And, yeah, they cast a ballot when it came time in November, God bless them. That was a good cause.

[Andrew Colvett]

It was innocent and it was fun, and it was just basically true. You know, some of the pushback that people kept giving Charlie, which was, you know, why is he going to college campuses and talking to people? And Charlie would answer that, right? I mean, he'd say, because that's where the people are. You gotta talk to the people, right? I mean, it's pretty. Pretty simple. But they would say, well, you know, in his debates, he's. What is he even doing? All Charlie did was ask extremely simple questions that people on the other side could not answer. They couldn't. I mean, that's why the 10 set, the revival 10 set on it proved Me wrong. Because people had a very difficult time, as it turns out, proving truth wrong because it was true and Charlie was uniquely capable of speaking to that truth. I know. We haven't played any clips.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, we will. We have another hour, so we're going to keep.

[Andrew Colvett]

I would. I would love to play. Yeah, let's do it. Clip 38 where Charlie is talking to young men because they really are in need of this advice.

[Michael Knowles]

This is going to live studio play. Cut 38.

[Matt Walsh]

I don't give advice to young women on how to find a man. I will say to young men, get your act together and, and really make self control and self discipline a priority in your life. One of the reasons why so many young women. Women are upset with the dating pool. I hear this all the time. Is that they see men that can't control themselves and they, and as you can tell, the young ladies are very enthusiastic about hearing this. And by the way, here, here's a thought crime for you. Women want to be led. Women want to be led by strong men. And you will. Men are different than women and women are different than men and both need each other, by the way.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, that's true. And you know, it sounds controversial when he says it and then you think for more than 20 seconds and it turns out that it's just true. And Charlie had a unique gift in clarifying and crystallizing that truth and then weaponizing the truth and delivering it out there in viral fashion, which is why, again, tens of millions of people are more is why giant marches chanting his name in South Korea and London and you have a. And squares being dedicated to him in Israel and New Zealand marches. And like all over the world, people are mourning Charlie in a way that I think would have astonished. Frankly, I think would have astonished Charlie if he, if he had like, you knew him much better than I knew.

[Michael Knowles]

Him, I think it would have blown his mind. We knew that Charlie was getting uncomfortably freakishly famous. His name ID some pollster did it for us without us knowing and told us afterwards. It was like, you know, I think, well, you know, this little nugget I'm going to save for. For, for the stream. Just one second.

[Matt Walsh]

We got.

[Michael Knowles]

We're ending hour one of radio, but we're going to keep the conversation going for a little bit and we'll be right back.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

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[Andrew Colvett]

And I'm Carol Markowitz.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Level up.

[Matt Walsh]

Andy never. He never asked for any credit for that. I mean, he is the reason that Trump got elected, but I never heard him ever say that. And this is. In our. In our business, you know, you've got. But everybody always wants credit for everything. I think I was actually the first person to tell you that. Yeah. So for Charlie to have that level of influence, but to never play. In fact, he did the opposite. He would deflect credit. He would give it to other people.

[Michael Knowles]

You're the perfect example for that because you had that incredible documentary, what is a Woman? And the question. Charlie took it and ran with it in such an amazing way. And he would always be like, I gotta give credit to Matt Walsh. Like, he would go out of his way. And I know he messaged you privately a lot, saying, like, oh, you're doing amazing. This was so good, or whatever. But, you know, he gave you a lot of credit for that. And I think I saw you at the inauguration at some event. I remember, and I made it a point being like, I want you to know he. He really, like, respects the heck out of you.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, he gave me far too much credit. Is one of the few times I disagreed with him is when he was. When he would do that. But I do remember, I mentioned it on air a couple days ago that after. After the election that. That Charlie made a point. I mean, he had just had this huge victory, that he was the pivotal player in it. And he made this point of putting out a tweet to give me some small token of credit because of. On the trans issue. And I just remember thinking again that that's too much credit. But. But also, nobody does that in this business. No, no one ever. Especially when you just had a huge victory and you're thinking, who can I. Who can I give this credit to? So it's not going to me. No one does that. He's the. He's like One of the scary few guys I know.

[Michael Knowles]

You know, I'll give you an insight on that because, you know, there was a lot of people that would chirp at Charlie or attack, and he. You had to be, I mean, you know, a certain level of doing something wrong for him to name you, to put you. To name check you. And that was usually like, oh, you're, you know, trying to, you know, come at Pete Hegseth, and he's our boy. So if you're coming in the way of Pete, then there might be a. There might be a point. But. But other than very, very specific instances. And I had a really long conversation with Charlie about this, and he was talking about sort of how the Greeks sort of had a hierarchy of virtues, but not. Not as. That was like roles. And he put being an entertainer. No offense to you guys, because I think you guys are all much more than that.

[Matt Walsh]

But.

[Michael Knowles]

But he put being an entertainer. And I think the Greeks did too, like the actors and all stuff really low.

[Matt Walsh]

Criminals and prostitutes, usually it was really.

[Michael Knowles]

Low on their list. What they put high was being a philosopher, was being a theologian, was being a statesman. And I remember Charlie very clearly saying, our job is to keep the coalition together. Our job is to be these three. He's like, a lot of people can do that. He's like, we have to do this because, you know, it was so easy and so tempting to get infuriated when these pot shots would come over and nobody knew the work that we were doing and he was doing behind the scenes to sort of like, assuage this person or bring this person back or, you know, make sure that they felt. I mean, there was a lot of that going on.

[Matt Walsh]

But to me, that is the skill. And actually, that is different from certainly than entertainment. It's even different from philosophy. There are a million dime store philosophers. A lot of people who have of lot a. A brilliant idea. Just ask them, you know, and they'll give you their white paper on it. There are very, very few people who can build a coalition and fewer people still who can maintain a coalition. The only other example I can think of in modern politics is Trump, who holds these disparate parts together. And Charlie was the glue. It is unbelievable the friendships he could maintain, the pieces that he could broker for the common good, for a common purpose, that there is simply no comparison. And when you're looking at elections, when you're looking at moving the ball forward in the country, it was the most important thing.

[Michael Knowles]

I totally agree. And I promised you guys a. By the way. It was like a very Charlie thing because Charlie would always be like this and every so often I'd catch him where he wasn't like fully like tuning in and be like, yeah, that was great. It was. We'll be right back. By the way, you're that, that's real. He was, he, he answered all of his audience questions.

[Matt Walsh]

Did he actually answer? No, he did. He actually read all the questions?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, he did.

[Matt Walsh]

That's.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm not even kidding. He read them because I saw them going the read unread. Anyways, I promise you guys a quick break. We'll be right back when radio starts. So more with Michael Knowles, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro. Honoring our friend Charlie Kirk.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without.

[Michael Knowles]

Yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm your guest host for the day, Andrew Colvitt, executive producer of this fine show. It's how I always said it. And we are. Well, you know, it's just, it's. I'm honored to be here with our friends Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles and Matt Walsh. And Matt, I wanted to pay tribute to you because it just became such a big part of the tour. I wanted at least play one of those, those videos that you helped inspire with Charlie. Play cut 68.

[Matt Walsh]

What is a woman? It's a woman who. It's a person who believes they're a woman. No, but that's not a definition. What objectively is a woman? Woman. It's a woman. Now, what is that? A woman? Give me a definition. Just anyone who believes they're a woman. No, but what is that? It's that circular reasoning. What is a woman without using the word woman in the answer. Can you. Can you answer that question or. No, it's just a person who believes they're a woman. I Mean, what's wrong with that? Okay, you can't answer the qu. You can't use the word woman in your answer. The inability to answer the most fundamental, obvious biological question, what is a woman? This is not troubling. Like, it's so simple. It's so obvious. And I guess the question is, when is womanhood then achieved? Just like, for that. Whenever they decide. I mean, like, last chance, can you tell me what a woman is? Are you a woman? Why are you so hateful? I asked you what a woman was. That's not hateful. I gave you the definition. Thank you for your time.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I haven't seen that one in a long time.

[Matt Walsh]

Never gets old. It never gets old.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. What did, what did we just witness there? And why was it.

[Matt Walsh]

Well, it's the. I mean, it's the question. Still a question of a generation that's still. They've had, They've had now several years to figure out a good answer to that, and they still haven't. Haven't quite gotten there. And I, you know, I always loved seeing that. And I would, I would certainly do. I know we all did the same thing with Charlie, that he, that he would, he would stumble on, like, a certain point or a way of phrasing it, and you go, that's great. I gotta go use that. Of course, you get. You always got to give credit. But that was the.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, not always, because sometimes Charlie would be like, I'm gonna steal that. Don't worry. Like, I'll give attribution 30 of the time.

[Matt Walsh]

As long as you're at 30 or 40 attribution, you're fine. But that kind of goes back to, you know, I hate to drag it, drag it back down to the depressing stuff, but that, that goes back to. What we've lost is like this, this kind of give and take, this we're, we're building off of each other and. And we've lost that. Now, I also wanted to say just real quick that. And I made this point a couple of times on my show and on X and stuff, but we've been talking about all the tributes to Charlie and all the people that love him and what a testament that is to him and his character and his effectiveness. And all that is true, that is the greatest testament to the man is that millions of people are mourning his loss. But I also do think, and we shouldn't lose sight of this, that the people, all the people on the other side who are celebrating his death and dancing on his grave, it's Infuriating to see. It's disgusting. It enrages me. But also, that is a testament and a tribute to Charlie as well. And. And. And. And when I die, you know, I. I would like to think the same thing's going to happen, because that means that. That. That I was effective. You know, your. Your enemies, if you are a warrior. Yeah. And Charlie Kirk was a warrior. He was a peaceful warrior. He was a happy warrior. He was nonviolent, but he was a warrior. If you're a warrior, then your enemies should celebrate. When you're no longer there, when you're out of the arena, they should be happy, because that means that. That you were winning. You know, that. That means that you were punching hard. And so. So we should. We should all want that for ourselves. If. When we're no longer here, if our enemies couldn't care less, just another day at the office for them, then that means we didn't punch hard enough. That means we didn't fight hard enough. And so I do also see that as a testament to it.

[Michael Knowles]

So can I ask you, all three of you, a question? What are you going to do next? I mean, nobody can replace Charlie. We know it's going to. I guess the question is sort of, how has this changed you?

[Matt Walsh]

What?

[Michael Knowles]

Practical things. I mean, you're going to be going to campus.

[Matt Walsh]

I have a real answer to this, which is, I owed Charlie a text because unlike Charlie, I was not diligent or fastidious about these things. He was just unbelievably good at constantly being in touch with people. So I owed him a text a few days prior. But I thought, well, whatever, I'm gonna see him. I'm gonna see him in a couple weeks, because he and I were scheduled to speak together at University of Minneapolis, or as he called it, Mogadishu, in 12 days. 12 days after it happened. And so it happens. And then, you know, you're in a fog, and then you're getting the news, and then you. And then later, this popped into my head. I said, oh, my goodness. I was supposed to do an event with Charlie a week and a half from now. And so your first instinct is, walt, there's no way that that event can go on. That's your. Just whenever something like this happens. But then two seconds later, you say, there's no way. It can't go on. Especially given this man, especially given this movement that he built and everything that he stood for. He said, there's no way that we can cancel that. And so I said, well, look, this is a decision for TPUSA to make, and you can speak to it more. But it seems to me that the tenor around here is we've just lost the leader, this irreplaceable man, and we don't even necessarily want to keep going on, but we have to do it well.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. And that's why we did our Friday show.

[Matt Walsh]

And.

[Michael Knowles]

If I could, I was not in a good place. I'm still not in a good place. But I knew we had to do it because Charlie would want us to do it. And I. And it. I kind of likened it to what happened at, you know, Pentecost a little bit, because what happened was Charlie died and his followers, his team, his staff. I mean, it was. We were trying to make sense of the chaos. Part of. Part of the team was in Provo, part of the team was in Phoenix, and we were trying to just, Just, Just put one foot in front of the other. And then Erica got up and spoke to the world, and it was like, that was like our Pentecost, where. And all of a sudden, we were filled with courage. And I don't think that was just us on the team. I think the whole country watched it. And I think that's why I think Hannity played it twice. He played it a second time from top to bottom. And I was incredibly grateful for that editorial decision. And I think people wanted that and needed it. And Erica was so brave. And I can just tell you, we have been inundated from the grassroots, these young kids. We're probably at 40,000 new, maybe more new chapter requests to start new chapters. And, and I've said this on doing media hits to put that in perspective, we had 900 college chapters and 1200 high school chapters. And Charlie just a few weeks ago was like, we're going to be on every high school in America. We're going to do 35 and a thousand. And I was like, I googled it. I go, Charlie, there's 23,000 high schools. We're going to be on 23,000.

[Matt Walsh]

We're going to find new high schools.

[Michael Knowles]

And, you know, the whole team's like, Charlie, you know, and eventually he goes, okay, fine, you know, we'll. We'll do 15. And then he tells the guy who's building the slide, because this is a presentation, because you can put 10, but make him think he's doing 15. And he was so committed to putting a Club America, which is our high school brand, on every single American high school. And I just marvel because that is such a fresh memory. It's two weeks ago that we had this and I just marvel that now in death he is going to absolutely accelerate that mission, that goal so much faster than he could have ever possibly imagined. And that was the Charlie's More, more. Let's do more. We have to go harder. We have to go faster, more. And the whole team knows that. And he was just. And he covered it all in this amazing grace. And I just want to give some kudos here. I want to make sure I have enough time to the Daily Wire. I just found out that the Daily Wire is donating a million dollars to tpusa. And from the bottom of my heart, thank you guys so much. I'm blown away by that generosity and I know Erica is too.

[Matt Walsh]

Our pleasure.

[Andrew Colvett]

Easiest board decision.

[Michael Knowles]

God bless you guys. That's breaking news and an amazing, amazing gesture of confidence in what Charlie built and what we are going to keep moving forward and growing and multiplying. We'll be right back.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Andrew Colvett]

The stories making the news headlines across the world.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

Would you guys consider anything less than a championship to be a failure from this year? I wouldn't say anything is a failure, especially because we all grow every day. Obviously, the goal is a championship. That's there's no doubt in that. And that's the goal. We want to win a championship. I'm Christina Williams, host of the podcast in case you missed it with Kristina Williams. The WNBA playoffs are here and I've got the inside scoop on everything from key matchups and standout players to the behind the scenes moments you won't find anywhere else.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's really, really hard to be the champions, but we have to remember how it feels and embrace, embrace the new.

[Matt Walsh]

Challenge that we have for all the.

[Michael Knowles]

Biggest stories in women's basketball, plus exclusive interviews with the game's brightest stars. So to be here, I think it's one that we definitely don't take for granted. But we also know, you know, that's just one stop along the way and we're hoping to, you know, make it run. So listen to In Case youe Missed it with Christina Williams, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and entertainment on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Matt Walsh]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without.

[Michael Knowles]

Yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Matt Walsh]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Welcome back to this Real America's Voice News break. I'm Terrence Bates. Defiant FBI Director Kash Patel sits before the Senate Judiciary Committee to answer questions about everything from his agency's investigation of Charlie Kirk's assassination to the inner workings of the Bureau.

[Andrew Colvett]

And in closing, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee and Ranking Member Durbin, I'm honored to be the ninth director of the FBI. I'm not going anywhere. If you want to criticize my 16 years of service, please bring it on over to you.

[Matt Walsh]

During his testimony, Patel promised that the Bureau will continue its quest for transparency.

[Andrew Colvett]

As for the investigation into Charlie Kirk's murder, Patel applauded the cooperative work happening.

[Matt Walsh]

Between his agents and state and local law enforcement in Utah. Quote tyler Robinson is in custody today because of this partnership. Speaking of Tyler Robinson, he's expected to be officially charged with capital murder as soon as today. His initial court appearance is scheduled for later today by video from his cell. We're expecting a news conference and confirming.

[Andrew Colvett]

The charges here this afternoon. On Monday, FBI Director Cash Patel confirming.

[Matt Walsh]

The 22 year old suspect's DNA was.

[Andrew Colvett]

Found on a towel that was wrapped.

[Matt Walsh]

Around the rifle believed to have been used to kill Charlie Kirk. Investigators also saying they have DNA evidence.

[Andrew Colvett]

Linking the alleged assassin to a screwdriver that was found in the rooftop where.

[Matt Walsh]

The deadly shot was fired. Plus, the FBI director says the suspect wrote a text message before the shooting saying that he had planned to kill Kirk. Investigators also believe the guy wrote a physical note saying that it had the opportunity, that if he had the opportunity to take out Charlie, he would do so. That note was reportedly destroyed, but investigators were able to reconstruct it. Director Patel, as I said, was on Capitol Hill earlier today facing lots of questions from the city Judiciary Committee. We, of course, will have continuing coverage.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of that hearing throughout the day here.

[Matt Walsh]

On REAL America's Voice. That's going to do it for your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm in Drew Colvett, the executive producer of this show. And once again, we're honored to be with our friends Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh. And we were talking in the, in the break, Ben, you noticed something, you picked something up about that clip that we showed of Charlie where he's asking what is a woman? What is a woman? What is a woman? Pause. Why are you so hateful?

[Andrew Colvett]

Right. And we all laugh because it's inherently ridiculous because Charlie obviously is not being hateful. But that I think when, you know, I think we're all feeling Matt's visceral rage, or at least if we're not, we should be. And the question is where to direct it. And I think that that visceral rage has to be directed at the ideological frameworks that create the impetus for violence. In that statement, when she says why are you so hateful? That's kind of the whole thing. The reason I say that is because there is a basic framework for ideology. There's been this flattening where we pretend that all ideologies are equally likely to create violence. There's a favorite of the media, right. It's just or politicians, political violence is bad, however it's formed. Political violence, both sides, everyone's doing. Here's the thing. We all know which ideologies, Everyone knows which ideologies are most likely.

[Michael Knowles]

We are not burning down the country, we're not burning that. We're not burning down businesses, we're not throwing rocks at police, we're praying.

[Andrew Colvett]

Correct. And let's be real about this. The minute, literally the minute I heard that Charlie was shot, I don't know about you guys, but I had some pretty good suspicions as to what ideology was behind the murder of our friend.

[Matt Walsh]

It's always the ones you most expect.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so the question is why? Right? The question is why? And the answer is because there is a framework of mine that has been created in which people claim that there is the problems in their own life. And this is what Charlie stood against. Right? Because Charlie was constantly talking about personal responsibility and making your life better and take your life in your own hands and you can be a success. Right? That's that clip we played earlier for men like be better, be better if you are a person who takes the failures in your own life and you externalize those onto a shadowy group of people who are responsible for all of your failures. And then you say those people are victimizing me to the point where they are genocide, erasing me, trans erasure, trans genocide. And then you say, well, if those people are trying to kill me, it's self defense, right? Speech is violence. It's self defense for me to shoot somebody like Charlie Kirk for saying that. When she says, why are you so hateful? The reason she is perceiving fact as hate is because it is a denial of her sense of identity and a sense of threat that is now justifying violence. That is the reality. There's an undergirding to some of these ideologies, particularly this ideology that has violent extremism as an after effect. That's just a reality. And there are multiple ideologies that are, that are like this. I think that, I think that the BLM ideology had aspects of this for sure. I think radical Islam, as Charlie routinely talked about, particularly in the last couple of weeks before his murder, Radical Islam obviously is deeply ensconced in the sort of conspiracy theory about our failure is the fault of all these other people. These people are trying to harm us, therefore we are justified in doing violence to them. And when I see the New York Times trotting out Hasan Piker repeatedly now, this is like the second time repeatedly to talk about Charlie's murder as though he is the representative of good faith debate when his. He has backed every terror group. And I can, I can imagine and Openly called for, said America deserve 911 has openly talked about how his political opposition should be physically harmed.

[Michael Knowles]

You're a lawyer, right? I mean, when does it cross the line into incitement? Does it has to be when a specific name has to be used? Because this is relevant to what happened with Pam Bondi and all the clip that's, I mean, you know, she was saying, she basically said hate speech is illegal. And Charlie, I mean, I think she ended up clarifying later, to her credit, that the clip is, I'm told, is incomplete. She ended up quoting incitement. Right. Michael, looks, it's an unfortunate phrase to.

[Matt Walsh]

Use if you're just saying that threats and incitement are illegal. Of course they are. You don't need to say hate speech.

[Michael Knowles]

No, exactly.

[Andrew Colvett]

So that's left symbolism for things I don't like.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I mean, but it ties into what happens next here. And that's why I'm asking, because a lot of people, you know, there was a push to sort of smoke out all these people that were criticizing or that were dancing on the grave, rather. And that's perfectly fair. And that's social consequences, social consequence, but not a legal one. When does it become a legal consequence?

[Andrew Colvett]

So I think that what they've been attempting to do, and Kash Patel is apparently talking about this is labeling antifa terrorist group, which absolutely they should be. I mean, clearly they should be at this point. And that if there are people who are funding groups that are violent, then we should obviously be looking into them, probably under racketeering laws and conspiracy laws. If you are donating money to a ex Mormon transferry group that is openly planning violence, then you should be held legally accountable for that in the way that you would be, as we all know, if it were a white supremacist group and you were funding a white supremacist group. We all know that that would be investigated by the FBI.

[Michael Knowles]

And I don't mean to step on your point here, but I just want to underscore why what you're saying is so critical, and I want the audience to understand that is because one of Charlie's best friends in the administration was Stephen Miller. And Stephen Miller came on our show yesterday. I think he said the same thing on Hannity, the last text message. And there's so many prophetic little nuggets, guys. I wish I could share them all. The last text message he shared with Stephen Miller was, we have to root out the people that are funding the violence.

[Matt Walsh]

What we're talking about here is organized crime.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, we're going to break, but it's this will not go away because Steven's a dog with a bone. Right back.

[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Matt Walsh]

Long time, long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without.

[Michael Knowles]

Yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Matt Walsh]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen, that your very existence hinges on the. The. The acceptance and affirmation of other people. And so you're not, not just like your identity, but your life itself, your very life, your very existence, it depends on other people affirming it. And if they don't affirm it, then they have caused you to not exist. And, and to those of us who are saying that sound, it sounds crazy. We can't wrap our minds around that. That's what these people believe. That's what the ideology teaches. It's what the media has been saying. It's what the schools have been saying. It's what, it's what Democrat politicians, it's what the president used to say under the old regime. This is a message that used to come from the White House all the way on down, that if you do not affirm these people, and that is to say, accept their delusional perception of themselves, then you are killing them. And so when you go to people who are already in the throes of this violent, inherently violent ideology, they're already delusional, they're deeply confused. And then you tell them that, hey, those people over there, if they don't accept everything you say about yourself, they are killing you. They are a threat to you. They're committing genocide. They use that word, trans genocide, and they use that label against Charlie. They've used it against me, they've used it against YouTube. That is not. Now we kind of laugh it off because it's silly, it's ridiculous. Genocide. What the hell are you talking about? They show people that they're telling that to believe it. They believe that we are literally committing a genocide against them. And so when you do that, when you go and tell people, these people, if they don't affirm you they're killing you, they're committing a genocide. And then one of those people goes and kills one of the people that you made that claim about it is 100% also your fault. You. You intentionally caused that. You, you might as well have just told them, hey, go kill that guy. Because that is in. In effect, that is what you said to them. And that has been the message. It can't be stressed enough. That has been the message, not just from the left wing fever swamps on the Internet, but from the very top of the Democrat leftist pyramid on down. That has been the message. And so they own this. They own all this.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, and by the way, this individual, I'm not gonna say his name, you are my rage outlet. So just keep rage tweeting, please. But he was bragging about it before it happened. He was, was saying there was people with foreknowledge and they didn't come out. So shame on them. I hope they burn in hell. We'll be right back.

[Matt Walsh]

Said this before, but it bears repeating. The last message that Charlie sent me was, I think it was just the day before we lost him, which is that we need to have an organized strategy to go after the left wing organizations that are promoting violence in this country. And I will write those words onto my heart and I will carry them out. If people ask me what emotions I'm feeling right now, and this is something people say, I mean, you kind of know the answer. There's incredible sadness, but there's incredible anger. And the thing about anger is that unfocused anger or blind rage is not a productive emotion. But focused anger, righteous anger directed for a just cause, is one of the most important agents of change in human, human history. Charlie showed that. Amen. And we are going to channel all of the anger that we have over the organized campaign that led to this assassination to uproot and dismantle these terrorist networks. So let me explain a little what that means. So 30 seconds.

[Michael Knowles]

Be quick, Stephen.

[Matt Walsh]

The organized doxing campaigns, the organized riots, the organized street violence, the organized campaigns of dehumanization, vilification, posting people's addresses, combining that with messaging that's designed to trigger incite violence, and the actual organized cells that carry out and facilitate the violence. It is a vast domestic terror movement. With God as my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen and we will do it in Charlie's neighborhood.

[Michael Knowles]

So Ben, I want to go to you, cuz again, you're the lawyer here. He mentioned terror network, domestic terror network and with Luigi Maggione. The news this morning was that the judge dropped the domestic terror sort of angle to the prosecution. Is this legally defensible? Is this just a New York bad judge?

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I haven't actually read the decision from the judge or the rationale for it. I do not understand how it's not just clearly first degree murder. I mean, it's obviously premeditated murder. So dropping it to second degree murder as though it's a crime of passion is totally crazy in every possible way. And again, when we talk about people who own it, Bill Burr shouted on multiple shows on national tv, free Luigi. When we talk about inherently violent ideologies, it's not just the trans ideology that is inherently violent. If you are a person who says the existence of wealthy people is a threat to me, that they are killing us, that there's a group of people and they are manipulating your life such that you're poor and they're rich and they are harming you. They are actively harming you by their very existence. The billionaires are actively harming you just by existing. They are evil by their existence. Then why should we be surprised when health care CEOs get shot on the streets and then there's a post facto after the murder justification in the same way that you saw with Charlie, There is something so hideous that has been bred. The point I've been making on my show is typically nobody gets shot over marginal tax rate conversations. Right. It's not as though every political debate in America ends with somebody shooting somebody else. But there are particular types of political debates in America in which one side sees fit to murder the other side and it is baked into those ideologies. And so I don't want to hear this nonsense from Democratic politicians who just generically denounce political violence. If you are unwilling to say, as a Democratic politician, for example, Donald Trump is not a fascist. When you talk about thought matrices that create violence. If you keep calling Donald Trump Hitler, everyone said this. It's true. If you keep calling Donald Trump Hitler over and over and over, someone might think, you know, he's Hitler and what do we do with Hitler? We try to shoot Hitler in the head.

[Matt Walsh]

You know, on your book, on your both sides point, Ben, there's this meme that's come out. Seth Moulton, this Democrat congressman, goes on tv. He's been spewing this, that the vast majority of political violence in America is from the right. And when I heard that, I said, well, look, I don't know. I haven't looked at the statistics. Maybe that's true. It doesn't ring true to me, but maybe it's true. So I go and I look into the statistics and I say, oh, there's this study, that study. So I said, okay, well, let me just look into particular cases. There was an event a couple years ago at University of Pittsburgh. Two antifa operatives show up. These are members of an antifa, go to antifa meetings, were caught going through TSA with explosive material on them multiple times, still allowed to board the airplane. They set off an explosive at the event and it was over the transgender issue. Injured, very seriously injured a female cop at the event. I looked into that. I said, well, this would be an example of left wing violence, right? No, it was not classified as left wing violence. It was pled down. It was classified as obstruction of justice. Not included in any of the stats. I looked through some other cases.

[Andrew Colvett]

Covenant, they treated Covenant as a non left wing.

[Matt Walsh]

Covenant said that the shooter was seeking fame. It was not a left wing attack. This is a transgender ideologue shooting through a window of a church and murdering kids. So I realized the way that they get away with this is very simple. They don't count the left wing violence. It's a completely bogus statistic. And so to your point, Ben. Yes. You have to call this out. To Stephen Miller's point, this is largely organized. There are groups that fund this, that promote this, that publicize this. Groups with foreknowledge of attacks. This is organized. And our government has taken on organized crime before, taken on the mob, taken on terror groups, taken on all of these things. We have the ability to do that. It is not only our right through our representatives, it is our responsibility to do that, to restore order. And if we are not treating this as an organized criminal political threat from the left, then we are just twiddling our thumbs and the left will always be more violent. I mean, it's not even close. They have a near, A near monopoly on political violence on the left, especially over the last 10 years, in particular, over the last five years. They have a near monopoly on it. And there's also a reason for that, which is that. And there's a reason why conservatives generally don't. To your point, everyone's mourning. No one boarded up their windows. Not only were there, was there no rioting, nobody was even worried that there would be. Everyone just knew that there would not be. Right. Meanwhile, if you were to flip it around and, and somebody of Charlie's importance and status on the left were to be assassinated, God forbid we, we, we know that immediately. All the, all the windows are being boarded up in every major city. And the reason is that the left, they are enemies of civilization. They, they hate civilization. They hate Western civilization. They, they wanted, they want, and this is these kind of words that they use. Dismantle. They're always talking about dismantle, abolish, want to dismantle. They want to, they want to tear everything down. And they'll tell you that tear down, dismantle, tear down, bring to tear down the patriarchy, dismantle the white hetero normative, whatever the family. Whereas conservatives, what are we most like at its essence? What are we trying to conserve? We're trying to conserve civilization, Western civilization in particular. And we have, we have disagreements about how to do that and, and all of that. There, there are certainly disagreements about that, but all of us are fans of civilization. And so we just inherently recognize that when you see a guy walk up to a healthcare CEO and shoot him and kill him in the street, you cannot have a civilization if that is allowed to happen. If we get to a point where that just happens and we're okay with it, then we don't have civilization where we have a third world country. And so conservatives just fundamentally recognize that is a bad thing where on the left they don't, they don't recognize that they don't, they. And it's again, it's hard for us to wrap our mind around this as normal people, but they do not see civilization itself as necessarily a good thing. And so to them violence is. And if you're looking to tear down civilization, then violence is always going to be a tool in that.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think there's actually a deep nihilism implicit in that that doesn't exist on particularly the religious right. And the reason I say that is because if you do, as Charlie believed it, as all of us believe, that there is a God centered universe, a God ordered universe that for the most part we can discern, right? Not all of it. Obviously we don't know why horrible tragedies, horrifying things happen. I mean everyone is suffering with the aftermath of that. But there is in fact a God order universe, which is certainly something that Charlie believes. If you believe that that Then you also believe that you have a duty in the world to act within that universe in rational ways. And you have duties to God to do the things that God told you to do, including things like, don't kill people, don't murder people. And if you don't believe any of that, if you believe that the world is just a system of power, that every argument is just a guise for power.

[Matt Walsh]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

The sort of Michel Foucault argument that all arguments at their essence are just a way of me getting power over you, then the response to an attempt for me to get power over you is to use power in response. And that leads to revolutionary violence. And we've seen periods like this in American history. It happened in the early 20th century. It happened again in the 1960s. And I fear that we're headed into another period like that with a left that is so nihilistic in its desire to see every argument. This is the thing they were trying to silence with Charlie, really, more than anything else, the thing they were trying to silence with Charlie was the argument. It's the thing that he died doing. They didn't want him making the. Yes, he was an amazing coalition builder. We've talked about this. Yes, he was an amazing political activist. The thing he was killed for doing was making the argument. That's what he was killed for doing. There are lots of political activists, and some of them are quite effective. He was killed for making the argument. Why? Because there are too many nihilists on the left, predominantly, who believe that the argument is just a form of power that is to be met with a bullet.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. And Charlie and I, you know, again, there's so many things that are going to haunt me, I think. But.

[Matt Walsh]

He.

[Michael Knowles]

In the last month, I would say multiple times, one of the most common arguments that he was warning everybody about was America has two roads ahead. We have the fork in the road is maga or magionism. And he would use that more than mamdanism. Right. Which was the more common, I think, refrain from most. And that's haunting. And I hope that. I hope that, you know, we have a joke around here. It's like, how many times Charlie's proven right? How many times he told us something and where he's like, ah, gosh darn it, he's right again. And I'm, you know, obviously this is something he would have never wanted to be right about, but he was. And I think in his memory, we have to do everything we can in our power to make sure that the country does not fray. And I, and I've said this before, but I'll say it again. Charlie was. He wanted revival. He didn't want revolution. He wanted the blood of Jesus. He did not want blood in the streets. And he wanted a country his kids could inherit and be prosperous and thrive and go to church and love their spouses. And that is not the tone that we are getting from the American left. And I found that, you know, you brought up Hasan Piker. I do have a clip that would, I don't know if you guys want to play it. I'm of two minds of it. But you know, he's basically saying you've got to gutting your opponents, liberals, left wingers. You need to be showing your opponents guts. You need to be gutting them. You need to be shanking these somethings and letting their intestines just ride on the stage.

[Matt Walsh]

Blood in the. Soak the streets in blood, I think was one of his phrases.

[Michael Knowles]

Slice and dice, he said.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that guy is in the New York Times. So he's not a fringe player. The New York Times featured him twice in the space of a week. Twice. This is the great exponent of rational debate that they've got on left. Ours was Charlie, and Charlie was murdered. Their great exponent of rational debate is the guy who says slice and dice your opponents and leave their intestines writhing on the stage.

[Matt Walsh]

And who won't be doing any of that himself, by the way. Correct. He, he will stay in his comfortable.

[Andrew Colvett]

Studio in his million dollar mansion as a socialist.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, but these, and he'll, and he'll let, he'll, he'll offer up whatever leftist lunatic will take that and run with it. He's fine to just offer that. That person also is a human sacrifice for him. The person that that person kills most especially. But the person who carries it out because now they're, they're like, you know, they go to prison. And Hassan Piker gets to keep living his comfortable life. People, you know, we respond in a cultural way, which is very important. We respond in prayer, in a spiritual way. That's very important. But we can't neglect the political either. And when people violate the law, when people incite violence, when people engage in direct threats, when people do things that are illegal, it is incumbent upon us to prosecute them, including those people, to the fullest extent of the law.

[Michael Knowles]

Amen. We'll be right back.

[Matt Walsh]

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I wouldn't say anything is a failure.

[Michael Knowles]

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[Matt Walsh]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Ham and I'M Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without.

[Michael Knowles]

Yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Matt Walsh]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but.

[Andrew Colvett]

We do take the truth seriously.

[Matt Walsh]

So if you're into common sense, sanity and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen. Few of them where you wake up the next morning and okay, this is a different country now. And this is, this is, this is one of those moments. But what I can say is that there are a few things that have to happen going forward and maybe on the sort of they have to get uglier. First side of it is that we have to re. We have to establish order. We were talking about civilization, protecting civilization. Well, you, you need order for civilization. You need law and order. And so that needs to be reasserted in a big way. And that can be ugly now. It's done through the law, you know, no one is calling for again. We are the defenders of civilization. We don't want to see random violence. We don't want to see people killed in the street. We don't want to see that. What we want to see are legal authorities exercise that authority. That can be an ugly thing. Like putting people in prison is not a happy thing. No one. We wish we didn't have to do that. Executing murderers, people who commit crimes need to be executed. And it needs to be done legally and swiftly. Not, not 35 years after they've been convicted. I believe personally that that public execution should come back. There's a reason why western civilization had public execution in many places for, you know, hundreds and thousands of years. I think that's an example. People, people need to see. And a lot of that stuff is ugly. But here's the thing. You're going to have ugliness no matter what. And either we can have ugliness in the street, we can have the kind of ugliness where a CEO walking down the street at 5am gets shot in the back of the head. We can have the kind of ugliness where a man on a college campus is just trying to make the argument get shot and killed. We can have that kind of ugliness. The ugliness that can affect anybody, that anyone can fall victim to. Or we can have the ugliness that's contained where we have people in positions of authority who use force to go and take the violent people and the dangerous people and punish them. We can have that kind of ugliness. And that's what we need. And then after that, we're, at the same time, we've already talked about this a little bit.

[Michael Knowles]

We're gonna welcome back Radio in just one second. Please. Hold that thought.

[Andrew Colvett]

Sure.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold that thought. Welcome back Radio. One sec. Welcome back to the final segment with Charlie's Friends. Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro. Again, thank you guys for coming. And we are talking about what happens next. And you're making a, I think, a really impassioned, important point about justice contained by the authorities and the structures that we, the people voted for versus anarchy in the streets. And please, please finish your thought.

[Matt Walsh]

Yeah, well, so that's, that's one really important piece of this that we need. And then the other piece going forward, and we've talked about this a little bit, is unity. Not, not just, not just random. You know, you can't go, you can't just say, hey, everyone, let's, let's unite. Let's be united. You can't go. If you go up to a group of a thousand people and say, hey, let's unite, guys, they're going to look at you and say, and they're going to ask, what do you mean? To do what? Unite around for what? What are we uniting? I don't want to, I'm not going to unite with you unless I know what we're doing. And so that's why a lot of the calls for just sort of general generic unity in America don't really work because there's always the question of around what. But as conservatives, as people on the right, you know, we can unite and we should. And, and I think what we need to do is put it, put to the side a lot of our inner, inner, you know, our, our squabbles, our family feuds. Put all that to the side. For now, we can get back to a lot of that stuff. We probably will. I'm sure conservatives always do. We'll always get back to it. But for right, but for right now, there, there we have more important things to do. Because one thing I know for sure, and there are plenty of conservatives who I've had my own, I've been known to get into feuds here and there with people. But here, but here's what I Know, and we saw this with Charlie, that if I walk out of this building and I get killed, that every conservative, even the ones that I've feuded with, that they will not be happy about that. They will. They will mourn that. They will mourn that the same. If it happened to any of us, they'll mourn it. Even. Even the people the conservatives didn't like us. But I also know that on the left, they won't share in that morning, for the most part. And so kind of the friend, enemy distinction is easy for me to see. The people who will mourn your death are your friends. The people who will dance on your grave and laugh in the face of your grieving wife are your enemies in this battle. And so that's where the unity needs to come.

[Michael Knowles]

They're wretched demons, honestly. Please. Yeah. Where do we go next?

[Matt Walsh]

You cannot have a marketplace of any kind of ideas or of goods if people are shooting up the marketplace. And it's not even just the murderer in this case, because there are freaks everywhere and horrible events happen. But the loud and widespread celebration of that sort of thing shows us that there are three steps. Step one is we want to have a robust conversation in a good country, right? But we are where we are, in a degraded and dangerous place. Step two, question mark. Step three, flourishing and speech and national unity. But there is that. Step two, there is that question, how do we get there? And there is no liberty without order, and there is no civilization in which half the country is going to dance when the other half is murdered. And so that requires a cultural response. I think you're starting to see that from a lot of companies. That's very good. That requires conservatives to let down their grudges that they're always holding all the time for just a little bit, and rally at least around a person and a person whose clear vision has led us for a long time very successfully. And it requires the government to get in and do its job as well. And then, and only then, can you get back to the kind of country that at least I want. And if the people who celebrate murder don't want it, too bad.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, I know we at Daily Wire, we trust you at TPUSA to do it. I mean, that's really the answer we're willing to provide. And we are providing any level of material support, any level of support on the program, boots on the ground, helping you to do what Charlie would have wanted to be done here. And I think that the reason that everybody trusted Charlie, the reason we're all mourning Charlie is because nobody did it better. You spelled out two of Charlie's goals. You said he wanted to bring people back to Christ and bring people back to church and back to biblical values. And he wanted to keep the MAGA coalition together and expand it. And expand it. And the question is how you do that. And the answer is you focus on the first and the second is a byproduct. The answer is that as Matt says, you have to unite around something. And yeah, we can unite in the short term around the fact that there are a bunch of people who hate our guts and want to murder us, which of course is true. But long term unity, big movement change, which is what Charlie was really trying to drive and why he wants to talk to people who disagree, is about building around those core values. And so the long term vision, yeah, we'll have our petty squabbles and yeah, some of those squabbles will be more than petty. But the long term vision has to be built around those original biblical conservative values that Charlie stood for. Things like the Bible, things like free markets, things like family. You know, all those things are things Charlie stood for. You got to build the coalition around values because we can't build it around the man, but we can build it around the values that he left behind and that he spent his entire life fighting for. And you know, we couldn't be frankly more honored to join you guys as much as we can in the fight.

[Michael Knowles]

Thank you for that and thank you for donating the Daily Wire a million dollars. Breaking news on this show. Thank you guys for honoring Charlie so well today. God bless.

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