The Charlie Kirk Show, September 25, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show – September 25, 2025

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / iHeartPodcasts
Episode Theme: Defending the Legacy of Charlie Kirk – Fact-Checking, Context, and Faith
Host: Andrew Colvett (executive producer, filling in for Charlie Kirk)
Panelists: Jack Posobiec, Blake Neff, Tyler Boyer
Notable: First episode following the death of Charlie Kirk; focused on addressing posthumous smears and out-of-context attacks against Kirk’s legacy.

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Episode Overview

This emotional and fiery episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, hosted in the immediate aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, is devoted to defending Kirk’s personal and public legacy. The panel—consisting of show regulars and friends—directly addresses a wave of viral, out-of-context clips and partisan attacks, debunks key misrepresentations, clarifies Kirk’s beliefs, and honors his Christian faith and impact on American culture and politics. The episode balances serious fact-checking with camaraderie, nostalgia, and deep conviction, frequently referencing both faith and the current political climate.

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Key Themes & Segments

1. Remembering Charlie Kirk

• Opening Tributes
  • Emotional statements about Kirk’s character, legacy, and faith, expressing that he is “resting in glory in heaven for all eternity” ([00:22]-[02:14]).
  • Focus on Kirk’s mission to “bring the gospel to the country” and his belief that “only Christ is King” ([01:41]-[03:07]).
• Legacy & Call to Action
  • “Charlie lived what our founders envisioned. Freedom. The right to speak even when we disagree.” – Blake Neff ([03:20])
  • “In the words of Soren Kierkegaard, ‘The tyrant dies and his rule is over. The martyr dies and his rule has just begun.’” – Jack Posobiec ([03:57])
• Panel’s Commitment
  • “We will devote the rest of our lives to finishing the causes for which Charlie gave his last measure of devotion. You cannot defeat us.” – Blake Neff & Jack Posobiec ([02:14]-[02:33])

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2. Debunking Posthumous Smears: Viral Clips & Context

a. The “DEI Pilots” Clip

Topic: Claims that Kirk was racist for questioning black pilots’ qualifications

• Original Viral Clip:
  • “If I see a black pilot, I’m gonna be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.” – Charlie Kirk ([12:07], [15:49])
• Panels’ Rebuttal & Full Context:
  • The remark was a critique of United Airlines’ DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) hiring quotas, not of individuals’ abilities.
  • Charlie’s own clarification:
    • “If you impose this quota, then I am going to start asking questions. Boy, I hope you’re qualified. I never did that before and I don’t want to do it in the future.” – ([14:46])
  • Panel’s commentary:
    • “What they’re doing is taking Charlie’s clip and removing all the context.” – Andrew Colvett ([17:31])
    • Hiring based on immutable characteristics rather than merit forces these doubts.
    • “This is corporate sabotage.” – Tyler Boyer ([20:16])
    • “He was not saying he looked at a black pilot and thought those things...he said if in the future you hire based on race, I’m going to start asking questions.” – Blake Neff ([17:10])
    • “Charlie’s thread was always a colorblind society—let the best person be the one who gets the job.” – Andrew Colvett ([21:24])

b. Second Amendment & Gun Deaths Clip

Topic: Claim that Kirk said “gun deaths are worth it”

• Original Viral Clip:
  • “I think it’s worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” – Charlie Kirk ([28:21])
• Context & Panel Commentary:
  • Kirk was being “honest about the costs and benefits of policy,” likening gun deaths to traffic deaths as a cost of freedom ([28:36], [29:00]).
  • “Charlie would actually come out and say, the Second Amendment has downsides… but we have it for other reasons. We have it because we are free citizens.” – Jack Posobiec ([29:00])
  • The panel condemns posthumous gloating from political opponents, stressing Kirk’s unwavering support for the Second Amendment even after personal tragedy ([31:32]).

c. Capital Punishment / Biden “Execution” Clip

Topic: Fabricated allegations that Kirk called for Biden’s execution

• Contextual Timeline:
  • Kirk discussed the concept that actions at the border amounted to “treason” and called for accountability, referencing prison or the death penalty for treason, as hypothesized in political commentary ([58:37]).
  • “Biden is a bumbling, dementia-filled, Alzheimer’s corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.” – Charlie Kirk ([58:37])
• Panel Response:
  • “He was trying to drive home how disastrous, how treacherous Biden’s actions at the border were…” – Jack Posobiec ([60:32])
  • Clarifies distinction between legitimate state punishment after due process versus political violence.

d. “No Empathy” Clip

Topic: Viral reaction to Kirk criticizing “empathy”

• Clip:
  • “I can’t stand the word empathy. I think empathy is a made-up new age term that does a lot of damage.” – Charlie Kirk ([51:18])
• Explanation:
  • Kirk contrasted “empathy” (being emotionally coerced into another’s feelings) with “sympathy” (Christian charity) and criticized how empathy is used as a political weapon ([52:00]-[53:38]).
  • “When they use that empathy thing, they mean you have to feel what I feel, which means you have to do what I tell you to do.” – Jack Posobiec ([53:38])

e. “Wives Should Submit”/Biblical Marriage

Topic: attacks on Kirk’s Biblical view of marriage

• Panel Response:
  • Kirk upheld “wives submit to your husbands” as biblical teaching but always contextualized it:
    • “Husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives as Christ laid down himself for the church.” – Jack Posobiec ([69:30])
    • Erica Kirk, Charlie’s widow, exemplifies the strength and mutual respect of a Biblically-ordered marriage ([74:11]).
    • “Your wife is your helper. You are not rivals. You are one flesh working together for the glory of God.” – Jack Posobiec ([74:11])

f. Civil Rights Act & DEI Critique

Topic: Claims that Kirk was anti-civil rights

• Clarification:
  • Kirk critiqued unintended negative outcomes of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, specifically how it led to “disparate impact” doctrine and undermined meritocracy, not its anti-discrimination intent ([86:08]-[89:56]).
  • “We live under rule by the most plausibly offended people. That is not an American value.” – Jack Posobiec ([88:01])
  • “These are controversial topics…but never stopped him.” – Blake Neff ([90:25])
  • The panel repeatedly clarifies that Kirk championed a colorblind meritocracy ([21:24], [107:23]).

g. MLK Criticism

Topic: Kirk’s occasional critical comments about Martin Luther King Jr.

• Panel’s Framing:
  • “MLK is basically America’s national saint figure…Charlie cared a lot about the truth, so he wasn’t going to sacralize somebody if he knew something was more complex than that.” – Jack Posobiec ([99:57], [104:06])
  • “He said, ‘I think the country had gotten to a point where someone like MLK was needed…He did some good things…But to not deal with the truth, the whole truth…would be unfair to America.’” – Blake Neff ([101:19])
  • Panel acknowledges MLK’s unique place, his violent end, and the importance—“neither of them deserved it”—of not whitewashing history ([98:22]).

h. Affirmative Action & “Black Women Don’t Have Brain Power” Claim

Topic: False viral quote attributed to Kirk

• Fact-check:
  • “Supposedly the quote was, ‘black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously.’ … This is a lie.” – Jack Posobiec ([92:46])
  • The real discussion revolved around selected public figures (Joy Reid, Michelle Obama, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ketanji Brown Jackson) citing their own reliance on affirmative action ([92:46]-[94:29]).
  • “Charlie was just saying, like, you’re admitting you couldn’t get in on your own merit now…He opposed that because Charlie favored treating people equally.” – Jack Posobiec ([94:29])
  • No evidence of the racist quote exists; it is a fabrication ([92:46]).

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3. Political & Social Violence: Blame, Radicalism, and Cultural Crisis

• Discussion of political violence following Charlie’s assassination and connection to left-wing radicalization ([33:34] onward).
• Conservatism blamed for demonizing young white men, but data show this group is least prone to violence ([34:02], [56:31]).
• “When you try to subjugate an entire population… you have a pocket on your own side that gets completely and blatantly ignored. And that’s what they’ve done.… we’re now picking up the pieces, thanks to Charlie…” – Tyler Boyer ([42:01]).

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4. Personal Faith, Grieving, and Hope

• Charlie’s character described as Christlike, honest, generous, and encouraging ([65:59]-[66:36]).
• His relationship with Erica and work for his family/friends lauded as his ultimate legacy.
• Announcement: Erica Kirk (Charlie’s widow) will appear on the next episode ([71:11]).
• “The truth is that Charlie was one of the greatest men I’ve ever known, if not the greatest…a good Christian man who loved his wife and kids.” – Blake Neff ([113:49])

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5. Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Faith & Legacy

  • “Charlie Kirk rests in glory in heaven for all eternity…he was bringing the gospel to the country.” – Blake Neff ([00:22])
  • “Only Christ is King, our Lord and Savior. The lesson of Charlie’s life is that you should never underestimate what one person can do with a good heart, a righteous cause, a cheerful spirit, and the will to fight.” – Andrew Colvett ([03:07],[03:17])

• On Smears & Context

  • “You cannot defeat us. You cannot stop us. We go forward strengthened by his faith, bolstered by his courage, and inspired by his example to defend the country he lived for.” – Blake Neff ([02:27]-[02:45])
  • “If I see a black pilot, I’m gonna be like, boy, I hope he’s qualified.” – Charlie Kirk (viral; [12:07], [15:49], see above for context)
  • “He never said the word children…What he said was, it should be done in public and people should watch it. And then he threw out…how young do we do that? And I said, 12 maybe.” – Jack Posobiec ([63:23])
  • “I can’t stand the word empathy…I think empathy is a made-up new age term that does a lot of damage.” – Charlie Kirk ([51:18])

• On Civil Rights Critique

  • “The Civil Rights Act…created a beast and that beast has now turned into an anti-white weapon.” – Charlie Kirk ([83:16])
  • “This is a biblically ordered marriage, a biblically ordered relationship…when you see these things in public, it can be confusing to members of the media or people who…don’t understand what we’re talking about.” – Andrew Colvett ([75:04])

• On MLK & History

  • “He wasn’t a good Christian. He cheated on his wife all the time.” – Andrew Colvett ([102:05])
  • “He wasn’t everything you’ve heard said about him…MLK is flawed.” – Jack Posobiec ([99:59])
  • “What are the good things in MLK’s life? Obviously, Jim Crow…that was all bad. It was good that MLK campaigned against it…He looked towards a colorblind world.” – Blake Neff ([105:08])

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Notable Moments & Humor

• The panel, all close friends and collaborators, frequently rib each other (“all Andrew’s fault,” jokes about being “DEI hires,” referencing inside jokes like ‘bald quota,’ etc.)
• Repeated meta-commentary about producing the show, working behind “the scenes,” and the realities of viral outrage cycles.
• A lighthearted debate over pronouncing “Cenk Uygur” and nods to behind-the-scenes camaraderie ([45:23], [49:18]).
• Emphasis on honesty, context, and refusing to bend to outrage or cancel culture.

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Final Takeaways

• This episode stands as both memorial and defense—painstakingly debunking viral smears against Charlie Kirk, clarifying his intent and principles.
• The show displays a unique blend of personal loss, faith-driven resolve, and cultural critique.
• Panelists encourage fans and detractors alike to seek the full context and understand that, for all the controversy, Kirk’s positions were consistent, conviction-driven, and rooted in his Christian worldview.
• Anticipation for Erica Kirk’s appearance on the following episode is high, with the panel expressing deep admiration for her composure and leadership in grief.

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For deeper context or a full rundown of individual viral clips, see:

• [12:07] – “Black pilots”/DEI
• [28:21] – “Gun deaths are worth it”
• [51:18] – Empathy vs. sympathy
• [69:19] – “Wives should submit” (Taylor Swift mention)
• [83:16] – Civil Rights Act critique
• [101:19] – MLK, both praise and criticism
• [113:49] – Final summing up: “Charlie was one of the greatest men I’ve ever known…”

For questions or to share feedback, listeners are invited to email [e-mail].

Transcript

[Andrew Colvett]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[Blake Neff]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now. Today, Charlie Kirk rests in glory in heaven for all eternity. He has gone from speaking on campuses in Wisconsin to kneeling at the throne of God, where he is right now. Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is Christ speaking. Except a corn of wheat fall onto the ground and die, it abideth alone. But if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. And I want to thank Charlie for his sacrifice, because much fruit is going.

[Jack Posobiec]

To be realized now.

[Andrew Colvett]

I want you to know that Charlie right now is in heaven. Not because he was a great husband and father, not because he saved millions of kids out of darkness on college campuses, not because he changed minds and chased votes to save the country, not because he sacrificed, sacrificed himself for his Savior. Charlie Kirk is in heaven because his savior sacrificed himself for Charlie Kirk. But the main thing about Charlie and his message, he was bringing the gospel to the country.

[Jack Posobiec]

He was doing the thing that the.

[Andrew Colvett]

People in charge hate most, which is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Calling for them to repent.

[Blake Neff]

I believe Charlie is still urging us on, urging us not to sit back.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not to be quiet, but to carry.

[Blake Neff]

On his mission forward, loudly, proudly, and with the same conviction he showed.

[Andrew Colvett]

Sacrifice is a gift. Sacrifice is that last full measure of devotion for God, for country, and for his people.

[Jack Posobiec]

We will devote the rest of our.

[Tyler Boyer]

Lives.

[Jack Posobiec]

To finishing the causes for which.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie gave his last measure of devotion. You cannot defeat us.

[Andrew Colvett]

You cannot slow us.

[Blake Neff]

You cannot stop us. You cannot deter us.

[Jack Posobiec]

We will carry Charlie and Erica in.

[Blake Neff]

Our heart, but we go forward strengthened by his faith, bolstered by his courage, and inspired by his example to defend the country he lived for.

[Andrew Colvett]

You see, Charlie Kirk was a true believer for the cause of freedom, for the power of young people, belief in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Our republic and our founding principles in.

[Blake Neff]

America first and make America great again. But more importantly, he was a true believer.

[Andrew Colvett]

Only Christ is King, our Lord and Savior. The lesson of Charlie's life is that.

[Blake Neff]

You should never underestimate what one person.

[Andrew Colvett]

Can do with a good heart, a.

[Blake Neff]

Righteous cause, a cheerful spirit, and the will to fight. Fight, fight. Charlie lived what our founders envisioned. Freedom. The right to speak even when we disagree. Freedom.

[Jack Posobiec]

I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to defend.

[Blake Neff]

To the death with my very life.

[Jack Posobiec]

Your right to speak.

[Blake Neff]

Now. Our whole administration is here, but not.

[Jack Posobiec]

Just because we love Charlie as a.

[Blake Neff]

Friend, even though we did, but because we know we wouldn't be here without him.

[Jack Posobiec]

In the words of Soren Kiergaarden, the tyrant dies and his rule is over. The martyr dies and his rule has just begun.

[Blake Neff]

On the cross our savior said, father.

[Jack Posobiec]

Forgive them for they not know what they do.

[Blake Neff]

That man, that young man.

[Jack Posobiec]

I forgive him.

[Blake Neff]

It.

[Andrew Colvett]

Every day there's a battle for your.

[Blake Neff]

Mind Raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive. Fear not, you found the place for truth. The voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Buckle up, here we go.

[Blake Neff]

All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. I am the executive producer of this fine show, Andrew Colvett. And today is the day. We have waited long enough to confront some of the lies, the out of context clips, the cherry picking of quotes that people are mostly on the left are using to smear the legacy and the memory of our brother and our friend Charlie Kirk. And it is incredibly apropos that. Joining me today, wide shot, please, is our Thoughtcrime crew. Because most of the clips that ultimately surfaced came on the show called Thoughtcrime, which we would do every Thursday night. And that would be with Jack. It would be four of the five. It would be Jack Posobic, Tyler Boyer, Blake Neff, Charlie Kirk and me. I was sort of a fill in. I was happy to be that Tyler and I would usually rotate. And the whole premise of the show was to talk about the verboten. The verboten. And as soon as we started doing the show, we realized that, you know, you're not allowed to have fun anymore in America in 2024. At the time, most of most of these clips came out because Charlie had become so big. Yeah, we had a lot of fun, actually. But Charlie had become so big that he was looked at as an appendage of the Trump campaign. And so if Charlie ever said anything that wasn't actually on the policy platform, for example, of the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign would get calls and then we'd get calls, and then everybody was getting calls. And so it was one of those interesting dynamics that actually, in a weird backhanded way, shows just how huge he had become, especially in the campaign season of 2024.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, yeah, and, you know, I think something that we can really just all say, and I think we would all agree on and Charlie would agree to just, just at the outset. Is this is all Andrew's fault?

[Blake Neff]

Yes, yes, yes. I think if.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, if.

[Blake Neff]

I do seem to be a repeat offender in these clips. But listen, I didn't want to give any, any air to this stuff, especially in the immediate aftermath but, you know, I think, you know, we are at two weeks and one day after it happened. What a whirlwind it's been. I don't think it was worth giving any oxygen to the haters, mostly on the left, because they were upset that Charlie was getting essentially canonized before their eyes. And he was their ideological opponent. There's no doubt about that. And so, you know, we. But I feel like now's the time.

[Andrew Colvett]

But you even had instances where, like, Barack Obama, like the leader of the Democrat Party, if you had to pick one man who's the public leader of the party, it's Barack Obama. He couldn't even say Charlie's name without sort of going through this litany of. But I disagree on this, and I disagree on this. And he, like, they all. And all of the topics that he mentioned. I think we played the clip the other day. We should pull that up. Were from Thoughtcrime. And it's like, kind of existential in a sense, that stuff that from our Thursday night podcast is now coming off the lips of Barack Obama, but at the same time, it's. He's doing so to impugn and smear and demonize, even in death.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Our friend Charlie Kirk.

[Tyler Boyer]

Well, I was going to say, and I can't stand exercise central because it was like the devil himself, like, having to say the word Charlie Kirk. You could see him, like, melting a little bit. It was like a wicked witch is like every time that he had to say the word Charlie Kirk. You can almost see.

[Blake Neff]

Well, you wait.

[Andrew Colvett]

Did you notice Hillary couldn't say the word Hillary when she went on MSNBC yesterday? She couldn't say the word Christian.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

She said a. She was like white males of a certain religion.

[Jack Posobiec]

She could start like a far right podcast or something.

[Blake Neff]

She couldn't.

[Andrew Colvett]

She couldn't say the word of Christ. Just saying.

[Blake Neff]

So I just think it's apropos that you guys are here. I'm excited to do this. A lot of you have been online. I've seen the comments have been wanting us to do this, and it just didn't feel like it was the time. But now it's the time and we're not. I don't think we need to belabor these points, but, you know, for years on end or something. But I think it's important to give a vociferous and forceful rebuttal. So here I want to start with my favorite one, and that is about DEI pilots. Do you think it's safe to say, Tyler, that the DEI Pilots clip was the most viral thing that Charlie had ever been associated with, and it wasn't like, you know, it was wildly misunderstood. But do you think at that point, it was probably the biggest clip of Charlie that had spread 100%.

[Tyler Boyer]

And here's. I wanted to piggyback on what we were saying before. A lot of Andrew got the brunt of a lot of this stuff because deserving. He was saying things that. Again, the whole. The whole premise and setup of thought crime.

[Blake Neff]

And.

[Tyler Boyer]

And a lot of the conversations that we had was Charlie was quarterbacking, and then we were the ones, you know, kind of feeding into it.

[Andrew Colvett]

I apologize for nothing.

[Tyler Boyer]

Well, and Charlie would kind of cue it up, and then Andrew would lean in on it. But make no mistake, these were conversations that were being had in the background.

[Blake Neff]

Of course, and that's important, by the way. What's amazing is I was only a part of about 50% of the thought crime. So just imagine how many. How much more defending of Charlie would have to. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Andrew Colvett]

Andrew was in the background of every show, every conversation. Conversation. Even if he wasn't on there. No, you're not getting out of this. You're not getting out of this.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's like, he.

[Tyler Boyer]

He stepped back from the bonfire every.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, I blame Blake. Just let's get into it because we've.

[Blake Neff]

Been telling Blake's going to kind of drive today.

[Andrew Colvett]

We blame Blake for enough. Yeah, he's not getting blamed for this.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I want to get blamed for this one anyway. So the clip that's getting passed around a lot. This is one of the ones that popped up the most is people get really mad about what Charlie says about black pilots. So let's just start with the original clip. Let's do clip 168.

[Blake Neff]

And that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard, because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm, and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right stuff and the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, like, you want to go thought crime. Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

[Blake Neff]

Well, that's the.

[Charlie Kirk]

You wouldn't have done that. You wouldn't have, you know, not an immediate.

[Blake Neff]

No. You want to die.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who I am. That's not what I believe it is.

[Jack Posobiec]

The reality the left has created. Now, that last part is really important. Like, obviously, they're doing this thing where they just act like we just came in and we're just like, oh, we care about the skin color of who flies planes. No, Charlie doesn't want to care about that. The left wants to care about that. So here's an important piece of context that this is basically what we were reacting to. This is a clip of United Airlines CEO Scott Kirby making a pretty intense commitment to hitting diversity quotas at his airline. Let's play clip 200.

[Blake Neff]

How is diversity and diversity targets working.

[Charlie Kirk]

Into the aviation academy?

[Blake Neff]

We have committed that 50% of the class of the classes will be women or people of color.

[Charlie Kirk]

Today, only 19% of our pilots at.

[Blake Neff]

United Airlines are women or people of color. And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country. All right, so can I just jump in here really quick? This is incredibly important. So that is the clip, Charlie and I, and everybody was responding to that. Right now, they had 19% women and people of color in their pilot corps. They wanted to get it up to 50% for every new pilot corps. Why is that a really dumb thing to do? First of all, meritocracy. Charlie believed in meritocracy. Let the best man or woman win. Second of all, Jack, riddle me this. Do you know what percentage of new pilots that are training to be pilots, whether that's just getting their pilot's license or trying to go into an academy of some sort to become a professional pilot? Do you know how. What percentage are women or people of color?

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that 13%?

[Blake Neff]

It's about 9%.

[Andrew Colvett]

13%. That's a difference?

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's 9%. It's 9%. So that means that you're essentially trying to fill 50% of the spots from 9% of the population of the. Of the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, you're saying not qualified, just training.

[Blake Neff]

Just trained. So these are people. If people who want to be a new pilot.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Basically getting their hours going through.

[Blake Neff]

90% are white males. It just happens to be one of those professions where white males go to a lot. So Charlie was making the point that if you are going to pull 50% of your pilots from 9 or 10% of the population of new pilots, then you're going to have to do something that is not in favor of meritocracy. You're gonna have to lower your standards.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's about get them up.

[Blake Neff]

So he said that if. If you impose this quota, then I am Going to start asking questions. Boy, I hope you're qualified. And he said, I never did that before, and I don't want to do it in the future. More when we get back right here on the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, so we'll just continue along.

[Blake Neff]

Well, because. No, he gives a. Yeah, he does.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we'll continue along here. So Charlie himself offered some clarification on the pilot thing. I can't remember off the top of my head if this is the same day or later, but let's play clip 169.

[Blake Neff]

And that's why I think this United story in the DEI story hits so hard, because we've all been in the back of a plane when the turbulence hits or when you're flying through a storm, and you're like, I'm so glad I saw the guy with the right side stuff in the square jaw get into the cockpit before we took off. And I feel better now. Thank you.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, like, you want to go thought crime. Like, I'm sorry. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.

[Blake Neff]

Well, that's the.

[Charlie Kirk]

You wouldn't have done that.

[Blake Neff]

You wouldn't have, you know, done that before.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not an immediate no. You wouldn't know who I am. That's not what I believe.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is the reality the left has created.

[Charlie Kirk]

So you guys piggybacked off of me because you knew what I was saying. Because what I was saying is that DEI creates and fosters sinful, unwholesome thought patterns. Because when they say we're going to hire people based on race and not competency, and so you start to just say, you know, what's going on here, Blake, you're part of this. This has gone so viral. It's like I said, 22 million people have seen it on Twitter.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's what I said at the end. This is the reality the left has created that they crave. Okay. I didn't realize it would repeat the whole. The whole first clip there, Blake. That's Blake.

[Blake Neff]

Why did you do this, Blake? Yeah, he was definitely trying to get in the. In the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which, by the way, it's like so much of what thought crime and even what we do on the regular shows is, guys, we live in clown world, okay? And we are describing the clowns.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, that's what we're doing 100 every day. It is just straight, like. And it really. The most obvious way to put it is just like, look, you guys can hire for diversity, or you can hire for Merit. Those are mutually exclusive options. And period.

[Blake Neff]

By the way, Charlie was not saying that. He looked at a black pilot, pilot currently and thought those things. He said he didn't. He said, but if in the future you do X and Y and Z to hire based on some other feature, immutable characteristic that is not linked to your ability to do the job, then I'm going to start asking.

[Andrew Colvett]

What they're doing is they're taking Charlie's clip and they're removing all the context of what's going on and the situation that he's commenting on. And that's, that's what you'll see throughout every single one of these.

[Jack Posobiec]

We actually have. We have another clip from Charlie that more straightforwardly defends it. Let's play clip 204.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right, let me tell you exactly what I said. Okay, so this was in response, first and foremost to United Airlines saying that half of all their new pilots that they're going to hire are going to be women or people of color. Currently, they're 15%. So they want to go from 15% to 50%. A conversation that ensued about how every time affirmative action is employed, standards have to be lowered. There is not a single instance where that does not occur. So then I said, I said, boy, if I see a black pilot, I'm now going to wonder, is that individual qualified? Were they selected because of their race, comma. But that's not who I am. But this makes me think this way, and I stand completely by that statement. Okay, secondly, let me just finish our DEI and affirmative action, what it does is it lowers the merit. It lowers the threshold of standards and increases things that do not matter, such as skin color and ethnic background.

[Jack Posobiec]

That last part is so key. He's saying, look, if you guys, like, again, you can hire merit or you can hire for a quota for dei. You can consider things like skin color and ethnic and national background and important. And if you consider those things important, if you put them on the scales definitionally, it is impossible that you will not lower the overall standards of the people that you are making into pilots. And it doesn't just have to be pilots. I think that's the example that stands out where a really incompetent person can just crash a plane and kill everyone on it. But there's other things. Surgeons, medicine, like if you want to check med school admissions, mcat, that's a test you have to take. And we've historically had a lot of affirmative action in med school admissions. So Asians are scoring higher than other People are scoring higher than whites, and then, you know, black med school applicants are getting lower MCAT scores, and they're getting into medical school with lower MCAT scores. And this isn't because the MCAT is like a racist test. It's a measure of ability. And people are coming out different on that measure of ability. And that's having ramifications at the end of things.

[Andrew Colvett]

For example, like, we. We, you know, so Blake is a DEI hire, you know, and bald quota. People don't. Because he's bald and he's also 1% Inuit. We don't talk about it very much, but sometimes he looks at dog sleds a little bit too long, and, you know, I'm like, blake, what's going on?

[Blake Neff]

He's like, they're calling me the. So. Yeah, but Blake. Blake is not Inuit. As far as. Are you in? Yeah. Anyway, so I would just say this. This feels like a very open and shut case because they just wanted black people to think. Charlie didn't think they could fly planes. That's not what he said.

[Tyler Boyer]

He said the core of everything was that this is corporate sabotage. And it doesn't matter who they were talking about. They could have said that chiquita banana eaters are the only people that will hire. It wouldn't have mattered what the topic was. It's corporate sabotage.

[Blake Neff]

It's either merit or it's a quota. You cannot have both. And we stand by Charlie in that statement. I think we're ready for the next one. We'll be right back. We going to welcome radio.

[Jack Posobiec]

We'll do the same.

[Blake Neff]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We are joined by the Thought Crime Crew, and we are debunking the lies and the smears of Charlie, taking him out of context posthumously, which is pretty sick, actually. And we didn't want to get to this too soon because there's so much good that Charlie said and did that it was. It just so outshadowed this stuff. But every dog has his day. And I am like, you know, dog with a bone on this stuff, because I was there for it and I saw it and I knew the discussion that led up to it. Go ahead.

[Andrew Colvett]

Before we even go any further.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

There'd be so many times where we'd be commenting on things that were going on in society, but we weren't actually giving our prescriptions for society. And if you go through that, Charlie obviously spends a lot of time talking about Clown World, and he's describing the clowns and the clownish behavior that's going on, corporate America, etc. But when you actually find the thread that Charlie always pushed for was a colorblind society, a colorblind society that said let the best person be the one who gets the job, be the one who gets the. The votes, be the one who gets to be in leadership, whatever. It is a colorblind society with standards that are applied equally across the board. So if you want to say that's equality, right? Yeah, we want equality of standards.

[Blake Neff]

Well, yeah. And if you think about. And Blake, you could probably remember the quote better, but Charlie loved this quote. I think it was one of the Weinstein brothers that said it, but maybe they were quoting somebody else. Anyways, it's. If you want to know the God of the age, just you ask yourself, what are you not allowed to. To critique.

[Jack Posobiec]

It's a. The line is attributed to Voltaire. It is not from Voltaire, but it's.

[Andrew Colvett]

But I think one of the brothers did say it recently.

[Blake Neff]

But anyways, the point is Charlie was fearless on the modern God, the idol of dei and, and pulling the race card and all of this stuff. Charlie, if you can't, maybe you can see it over Jack's shoulder, but we have a. He put up. This is his wall. Like he picked these pictures. I think his head's getting cut off. That's Clarence Thomas over Jack's shoulder. Charlie loves Clarence Thomas. Dr. Ben Carson. These are people. Charlie was not racist, did not have a racist bone in his body. If you're good at what you do, he loved it. If you were a good family man, if you were a good father, he loved you and he supported you. And I know he's got so many friends in the black community that defend him vociferously online and I love that. But just as somebody who can tell you from very up close and personal, there was not a racist bone in his body. He was often accused of it because so much of our modern society is oriented around what came out of the civil rights era. So this is the new founding, this Christopher Caldwell prescription of a new founding of america after the 1960s in which we had, you know, basically, if you're a modern American, you have more reverence for the Civil Rights act than you do for the Constitution. Charlie thought that that was a problem. It wasn't that he. Who didn't like a lot of what the Civil Rights act accomplished or at least set out to accomplish. It's that it. There was overreach that happened and there was a new founding of America that was extra Constitutional.

[Andrew Colvett]

And. But I would, I would even go so far as to say that I agree with Caldwell and I agree with the left on this. And I think Charlie would too, in the sense that it was sort of a new founding of America because there were new standards that perhaps weren't intended, but that superseded the constitutional founding of America.

[Blake Neff]

Yes. And so Charlie was fearless in his critiques of this because he saw it as a core rot of modern American culture and that if we were going to get back to a colorblind society, a meritocracy, a culture that was oriented around excellence and achieving great things and dreaming big dreams that we couldn't. You know, it's like that verse that I posted on X yesterday. Like, you have to throw off all that's hindering you. You have to throw off everything that's slowing you down if you're going to run your race well. And Charlie was such a pragmatist and such a, an efficiency oriented person that he knew that this stuff was holding our country back. And so he knew that he uniquely was suited as the exact person not to talk about it, to sort of crush the idols in the temple and in the high places and go for this stuff. And yeah, he took a lot of slings and arrows, but in my opinion, looking back, this is some of the stuff I respect him most for.

[Andrew Colvett]

But you look too at. I keep going back to that Hillary Clinton clip yesterday on msnbc, where even in the wake of all of this, she goes up on MSNBC and we have this clip and she. What is she saying? She's saying, we remember the target must be white Christian men. Remember, white Christian men are the ones who cannot be allowed to be in leadership positions. And like she says, almost, yeah, yeah, it's disgusting. And like, like, like Charlie Kirk, you know, just like Charlie Kirk. Why don't you say Hillary?

[Blake Neff]

Well, and he knew, he knew that he was a, at the vanguard of this stuff and that he was a representative for an entire generation of the lost boys of the west that had been disenfranchised by their own political leaders. They had been tossed aside by a political establishment and a zeitgeist that vilified them, demonized them and wanted to toss them aside when this is their country, too. This is where they were born, this is what they've inherited. And we were breaking the social compact with an entire generation of young men. And I like to think that Charlie gave. When you start seeing these polls about who's coming, you know, who's voting for Trump, young men Wanting to get married, young men wanting to have families and young men wanting to get go back to church. It's because Charlie went straight at the idols of the age and he crushed them on behalf of us all. So we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. All right, we are back here for the stream. Blake, why don't you take us to the next.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, let's. It's not even so much a debunking. A lot of this is like just explain, you need to have explanations and like more context. So this is the one that went most viral right after it happened. It's. You would see like headlines where people would post this and it was Charlie saying, you know, that gun deaths were worth it to keep the second Amendment. That's what they would say. It was like unfortunately worth it is the exact quote they would have. There's like a million examples of that. I just shared one if they want to put it up. But people would post those to like dunk on Charlie and be like Betty would change his mind now. And this one really disgusts me quite a bit actually because it's, it's not so much a lie about what Charlie said, it's attacking him for actually daring to discuss a public issue the correct and honest way. So we have a full quote from Charlie on this. I can't remember where he said it, but it's clip 175. Let's just play it.

[Charlie Kirk]

So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You can significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one. You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's dribble. But I am, I think it's, I.

[Blake Neff]

Think it's worth it.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

[Jack Posobiec]

So this is what makes me so angry about. And there's even stuff in an even longer version before he says that he talks about. I'll read this quote directly. He says the second Amendment is there so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government if that talk scares you. Wow, that's Radical Charlie, I don't know about that. Well, then you have not read any of the literature of our founding fathers and you haven't read any 20th century history. And then he continues, we must be real, we must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price. That is a part of liberty. He gives the example. Driving comes with a price. 50,000 people die on the road every year. That is a price. You could get rid of driving, have 50,000 fewer auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving, speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services, is worth that cost. And then he goes, that part, that part we saw. And it just disgusts me so much that people are dunking on Charlie over this when he's doing what any reasonable leader, a figure showing leadership, should do, which is evaluating the honest costs and benefits of a policy. There are so many scammer politicians and public figures who will only, who will say there's only benefits or only downsides to a policy. They'll say, oh, it's all upside. And people are opposed to this just because their haters are corrupt. Charlie would actually come out and say, the Second Amendment has downsides. We have more guns. There is more gun violence in America than there is in the uk. There's more gun violence here than there is in China. But we have it for other reasons. We have it because we are free citizens and that helps us remain free citizens. And then I just, I got so angry when I was.

[Blake Neff]

Not to mention, not to mention, you know, there was one of the stats we were talking about as Trump was cleaning up DC was that there had been essentially about 1200 murders in DC in since 2018. Right? 1200 murders. It was a very murderous place.

[Andrew Colvett]

Very murdery.

[Blake Neff]

Very murdery. And guess how many of them were white?

[Andrew Colvett]

The victims?

[Blake Neff]

How many white murders there were since 2018?

[Andrew Colvett]

The victims or the suspects?

[Blake Neff]

The victims. 11.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

11.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Most of that gun death is happening because of gang crime and black on black violence. And Charlie was very honest about that fact. Now, obviously, Charlie's own murder is something completely and entirely different. This is a political assassination where Charlie was murdered because of what he said and what he believed and how effective he was and because of his Christian faith. But what Charlie was getting at was that there is a cost to every freedom that we have. There is a cost to having alcohol on the shelves. There's a cost to having licenses in people's pockets to drive cars. Go ahead.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, just, just before we go to break, I would, I would even go so far as to say that even, even in the sense that Charlie could comment on this, he still wouldn't be. For gun bans. He still wouldn't be. No, there's no. And we all know that.

[Tyler Boyer]

No question.

[Andrew Colvett]

No question.

[Blake Neff]

He. Yeah.

[Tyler Boyer]

I mean, it wouldn't even be on the table.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

[Blake Neff]

And so I totally agree. This is a really.

[Andrew Colvett]

He didn't call it after Trump got shot.

[Blake Neff]

It's a really sick one. And.

[Tyler Boyer]

And if it would happen to any of us, he would have said the same thing.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Tyler Boyer]

And if. And we would all agree on the same.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Honestly, he might have even managed to laugh about it. He would have been like, probably. Yeah. And just be like, well, they kind of got me on that one.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I hope. Gosh, I don't. There's nothing.

[Andrew Colvett]

But I get what you mean. But he wouldn't have. He wouldn't have changed his position.

[Blake Neff]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, not in the slightest.

[Blake Neff]

So we are going to welcome back radio and go on to the next one. But that. I'm with you. That one's really gross. We'll be right back. Please check your tds, crt, DEI and LGBTQIA plus at the door.

[Tyler Boyer]

The only letters we care about are usa.

[Blake Neff]

All right. Yeah, that's. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. This is Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show with Blake Neff, Jack Bosovic and Tyler Boyer. So, yeah, Jack, you had a good idea. I think we should go to sort of some of the breaking news around the ice shooter in Texas yesterday.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, so we do have breaking news, just in the sense that it's, you know, it just happened, but also it pertains to exactly what we're talking about right now in the program regarding the Second Amendment. So this from the post Millennial breaking. The Dallas ice shooter searched for, conducted searches for ballistics and the phrase Charlie Kirk shot video and planned to, quote, give ICE agents real terror. So this is coming from Cash Patel, the director of the FBI, that it seems like it's shaping up that Joshua, Joshua John, I think is how you pronounce it, was a copycat of the Charlie Kirk assassin. And he specifically conducted searches of Charlie Kirk's assassination before he conducted this attack on an ICE facility in Dallas.

[Tyler Boyer]

I mean, which shows the interconnectivity between all of this leftist rhetoric that's happening. I mean, that the. In your face is that all of the pro trans, anti ice, pro blm. I mean, we're seeing nothing but trickle down violence that's been there for years. And this isn't New, we've seen this since 2020.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, and it's, and it's time for, it's high time for the federal and state authorities to just start, start doing something about it. We need action.

[Blake Neff]

Well, and I think this, this is actually. I cannot get this image out of my head. Go play show image 141. This is about political violence. And if you notice on the left, that is as we were talking about yesterday. Yeah, we talked about this yesterday. But it's, it's worth reiterating because both Charlie's assassin, this ice shooter, the same with the, the Catholic school shooter in Minneapolis. These are young progressive men in that 18 to 39 cohort. And look at that. A whopping 30% believe that it's justified at times to resort to violence to achieve political goals.

[Tyler Boyer]

Conservatives are way below moderate.

[Blake Neff]

Look at the node on this graph that would most correlate to Charlie's core audience. 18 to 39 year olds. Conservatives are the lowest besides like 60 plus year old moderates. So it's the most peaceful cohort is our audience. The most radical violent cohort are the people on the left.

[Tyler Boyer]

And what this actually shows is that the left is pulling the people in the middle towards violence. Which I think is the most mind blowing piece of this is the moderates.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look at the moderates.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, moderate picking up 2.

[Tyler Boyer]

60 plus are the least violent and moderates at 18 to 39 are being dragged towards violence because of how radical the left is.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thomas Matthew Crooks, also 20 years old.

[Blake Neff]

Yes, yes. So they're getting sucked down these, these little discord chats and these 4chan chats, they're saying I saw Media Song say oh, leftists don't get on or I think he retweeted somebody but he's like, leftists don't go on 4chan. I'm like, yes, they do. Yes, you obviously do do not know.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, no, no. They've been doing it for years.

[Blake Neff]

You obviously do not understand the world that a 20 year old, especially white male lives in.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, so 4chan has kind of evolved in from where it was in 2016, where it was heavily, you know, right dominated and like you know, just being there where there have been these brigades and attacks and there's, there's leftists all over 4chan now. And so that's why it's just not the same as it used to be, as horrible as it is. Not that I've ever seen it myself, but people tell me that, that it's quite different now.

[Blake Neff]

But, but that being Said wait, Danny makes a good point here. I want to make a point. He says the real data is even worse. This poll was taken after September 10th. Yes. So 30% said this after. Well we saw. Was actually way higher before and it's also. And he makes another good point. Danny's the man Charlie loved. Gosh, Charlie loved Danny and he's such a great member of our team. He said worth noting for this that a lot of these famous shootings are in gun free zones. Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I mean that.

[Tyler Boyer]

But that's it.

[Jack Posobiec]

I find that sort of silly. Like I do.

[Andrew Colvett]

I do want to add.

[Tyler Boyer]

Can I throw in this too? What really gets my go about this thing too is that Operation Arctic Frost which was going after which was investigating conservative organizations to have absolutely a turning point in specific that had no non violent tendency or had all nonviolent tendencies. While the FBI could have been and should have been investigating and spending all their. All their time and energy on this. On the violence that that emits from. From Antifa from all the left wing organizations from these cells of young men.

[Andrew Colvett]

On the left increasingly involved like one of the antifa. I would say evolutions is that you see this trans ideology now infused and.

[Tyler Boyer]

And we haven't spent that any trans related near enough time. We like we would. We were planning all this week on talking a lot about Arctic Frost with Charlie or the last two weeks we. We haven't spent nearly enough time talking about all this and that it's yet to come out.

[Blake Neff]

Well what is Arctic Frost for? For people in the.

[Tyler Boyer]

This was what was what was unveiled right. In that same week that Charlie was murdered was that Turning Point USA was being investigated during the Biden administration by the FBI tracking everything and anything that Turning Point was doing to basically make criminals out of a non criminal organization.

[Blake Neff]

By the way, I was told just for people that are wondering that that had been shut down immediately upon Cash getting control of the FBI.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

So whatever that division was has been.

[Tyler Boyer]

But that's the insanity of all this is we don't even know all the information that's pertinent to that. But that's what the. That's what our federal law enforcement agencies were doing instead of going after the murderous, you know basically hitting gang violence in plain sight with. With mentally ill young men on the left and leftist organizations that are stoking this fire.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And I do want to just say that one of the pieces that we see in this profile it's. It becomes a very sort of like there's this weird talking point going on out there. And I saw Lindsey Graham saying that we should, like, censor the Internet now and, and get rid of, like, was it section 302 or 203? 203 or no, 230.

[Blake Neff]

230. You fried my brain there.

[Andrew Colvett]

None of us have slept in, like, two weeks.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, exactly. I know. You text me one more time and say, I look tired. I understand my mom. You look tired. You need a day off. I was like, our moms must be coordinating. Yeah, yeah. I was like, yes, those are bags under my eyes. Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

But, but here's My point is. My point is the, the radicalization doesn't necessarily take place on discord because we've lived through waves of left wing terrorism before in this country, the 60s and 70s. Certainly in the early, early 1900s, the late 1800s, William McKinley.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

We had a. We had a president of the United States who was shot in Buffalo, New York by a left wing anarchist who walked up and shot him in 1901. That's how Teddy Roosevelt became our youngest president. And, you know, he didn't have discord and video games. And yet I keep Hearing these, like, D.C. republicans say, oh, it's the video games and the discords. That's what we have to go after. And it's like, no, no, no. It's an ideology. I'm telling you, it's ideology that's driving all this.

[Blake Neff]

I believe this very firmly, that if I believe God was working through Charlie Kirk both in life, but even he was leaving little Easter eggs for us right before his death. And Charlie was communicating these things. And he sent a text to Stephen Miller, and we've talked about it on the show, but it's worth reiterating now. And he said his last text to Stephen Miller was, we have to go after the networks that are financing and fomenting violence and radicalization. So there's a way to do that via rico. Blake would know more about that than I would. But whatever that is, that's a piece of this, right? I don't think it's. I don't think it's getting. I don't think it's suppressing free speech. Charlie was a free speech absolutist. And it's not by calling things hate speech. What we do also is we have to bring young men back into a place of centeredness. This is why Charlie was so fixated on, like, building new homes, affordable new homes. He wanted. He wanted a moonshot for new homes. We have to get young men to buy in and have skin in the game.

[Andrew Colvett]

And how about also we stop demonizing young men as a society and blaming them for every problem that's in society, particularly young white men where you're. You're to blame for everything. It's your fault. You're the ones who are responsible for all of this. And Hillary Clinton again. Hillary Clinton goes up on tv and that's exactly what she said.

[Tyler Boyer]

Isn't it so interesting that the demonization of young white men has resulted in the ignoring of the most mentally unhealthy young white men that are all on the left. I mean, truly, the. Some of the outcomes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, yeah, it's like on the left.

[Andrew Colvett]

So on the right, baby drives us.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

It drives us to church. On the left, it drives them to commit assassinations because they don't have God.

[Blake Neff]

Well.

[Tyler Boyer]

And they have no one actually looking after them.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Tyler Boyer]

Because when you. When you try to subjugate an entire population of people, it doesn't matter who it is in whatever culture. When you do that, what ends up happening is you have a pocket on your own side that just gets completely and blatantly ignored. And that's what they've done. They've essentially created this horribly radical, radicalized system now of men who are completely ignored on the right who have now been pushed toward God. And we're now picking up the pieces.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of thanks to Charlie.

[Tyler Boyer]

And then. And then the ones on the left that they're supposed to be responsible for that they're doing absolutely zero for.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way, by the way, if you are a white male who's on the left because you don't have those characteristics that would allow you to be like, part of their hierarchy, then it might drive you to commit more extreme acts to show your solidarity and loyalty to the revolution. Because leftist politics is dependent not on skill, it's dependent on loyalty.

[Blake Neff]

I love this topic, but it's not debunking the lies.

[Andrew Colvett]

People do it like a thoughtcracker again.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. But here's the thing. So this is funny. Let's go ahead and show image 173. This is an easy one we can get through in the time we have remaining. This is a pic, a tweet commenting on ck going after saying that time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience multiple times. Pardon my French. I'm just quoting. He made millions off of his racism and sexism.

[Jack Posobiec]

Not visible here. That's on five.

[Blake Neff]

Sunk, Sunk. Okay, thank you. And so I apologize for saying that. It was just in the tweet. Anyway, so the point is, he didn't say it. Okay. He. So let's. This was. This was actually funny. I remember this might have been the first event I met Erica at, actually. She was. She was with us. Was that politicon in like 2018 or something like that? I forget. Something like that. So let's go ahead and play the actual clip. Charlie hated when this thing went viral. It actually was funny. Later he.

[Jack Posobiec]

Hold on, we're almost outta.

[Blake Neff]

Well, all right. We could have played it, but now we can't. Okay, so I'll do some more backstory here. This was Politikon. He was debating Hasan piker on stage and then started from the Young Turks. Started chirping at him from the audience.

[Tyler Boyer]

Who is Hasan's boss?

[Blake Neff]

Who's Hasan's boss? Yeah. But by the way, it's interesting to note that at the rnc, Charlie and talked about this moment and I'll never forget. So Charlie actually went on their show and he's like. And he said, you know, I live like a capitalist everyday. And Charlie to. At the RNC in 2024 then said, I don't even know. Like, what does that even mean? Charlie was like, I've grown up a lot since that moment. But we'll play the clip for the stream in just a sec for radio. We'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Okay, so we're going to play the. The clip. This was I. Of all the Charlie moments.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have to.

[Blake Neff]

We have to.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have to. We have to say something right now. It's jank.

[Blake Neff]

I know, right?

[Andrew Colvett]

Like a J. Okay, that's. That's where this object started.

[Jack Posobiec]

Objections.

[Andrew Colvett]

Where it all started.

[Jack Posobiec]

As an American, I should not be expected to know how to pronounce right.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know, but if you're going to do it.

[Jack Posobiec]

A name.

[Andrew Colvett]

Point of order. If you're having an event with someone, you should know how to pronounce.

[Blake Neff]

Still didn't know. I actually saw it. Jank backstage. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

I got post Sobiak.

[Blake Neff]

But yeah. So here's the actual clip. Let's play at 174. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

You're trying to attack me, which is ridiculous.

[Blake Neff]

Like asking me what my salary is.

[Charlie Kirk]

Sure, I'll reveal it willingly. You brought it up in context. Why don't you look like a socialist? Okay, Go live like a socialist.

[Blake Neff]

Larger.

[Jack Posobiec]

The point is larger than that, Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

I live like a capitalist every single day.

[Blake Neff]

Chink.

[Charlie Kirk]

I live as a capitalist.

[Blake Neff]

Okay. I live. When I behave, what do I do?

[Charlie Kirk]

I get charity every single Year.

[Blake Neff]

Hold on, hold on.

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, let's go.

[Blake Neff]

What are you doing?

[Tyler Boyer]

Take a seat.

[Charlie Kirk]

Take a seat.

[Blake Neff]

All right. No, no, take a seat.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're gonna take a seat.

[Tyler Boyer]

You're gonna take a seat over here.

[Charlie Kirk]

What's my salary?

[Blake Neff]

All right. Ridiculous. All right, behave, everyone. Jesus Christ. Okay.

[Charlie Kirk]

I practice what I preach.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

Charlie, do not practice what you.

[Blake Neff]

Charlie.

[Tyler Boyer]

I love this moment, Andrew. So funny, because this was the first moment. And this was. This was. This was tennis shoes. Charlie.

[Blake Neff]

Era.

[Tyler Boyer]

So this is when we.

[Jack Posobiec]

We were talking.

[Blake Neff]

Those were. Those were actually Yeezys or. What was it?

[Tyler Boyer]

Was he wearing the Yeezys there or was he wearing the Adidas that we got?

[Blake Neff]

I think that was.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, the thought occurs. But it's kind of funny is this is. You know, Charlie always was very much like. He would try to. He would try to imitate successful people. So he'd use a lot of, like, Rushisms because he's like, well, Rush is the most successful radio host. I should try to be like Rush. And all I'm thinking of when I saw that is. Do you remember at the 2016, I think. Was it the RNC or. I think it was the RNC where Alex Jones. He went after.

[Andrew Colvett]

I was literally standing next to them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly. I was there when it happened, when they crashed the. And I. I can't. I can't.

[Andrew Colvett]

I was there.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wonder if, like, maybe Charlie was like, Alex Jones is really successful. I should get. All I.

[Tyler Boyer]

All I remember is that this was the moment where, you know, again, Charlie. This was the first time Charlie. And really one of the only times truly, that Charlie went aggressive at somebody. And it was. It was actually so incredible, like the entire office was buzzing that we had Turning Point for the two weeks I.

[Blake Neff]

Walked out with him and Erica and I think Sarah was. Sarah.

[Tyler Boyer]

It was Sarah because.

[Blake Neff]

No, but Erica was there at that event and it was in Los Angeles, down at the convention center. And we walked out and all of these young guys were like, charlie, we were walking out. But it is funny when you think about this in the context of Charlie's, you know, as he matured and grew, and then he would eventually end up going on the Young Turks broadcast from the RNC and sort of say, I don't even know what that meant. You know, and then. And then we had Cenk, of course, at Amfest, which was like a big scandal that we would allow. We would platform. But Cenk was actually, you know, at the rnc. He was like, hey, listen, I vehemently disagree with you guys. I think you're wrong. But like let's, you know, he has this line like let's have a beer after. And I kept thinking Charlie doesn't drink. But although, although I will say, if.

[Andrew Colvett]

You notice that clip, you can hear how horse Charlie's throat is when he's doing that. That's where the mint tea comes from. And the honey.

[Blake Neff]

Yes. He started learning how to protect his voice. So I think we should take a quick break right there. And we will welcome back radio for the final segment of the hour and Blake's gonna pick our next clip to debunk. And we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. Empty chair and still doesn't feel real.

[Andrew Colvett]

But his thought crimes remain.

[Blake Neff]

But his thought crimes remain. And he lives in all of us. And God has a plan and God has a harvest and it's our job to step into it. And so, you know, and by the way, it's, you know, the audience has been amazing and I'm getting so many notes about this show. I think you guys are enjoying it. So that's good because we're having.

[Andrew Colvett]

I was sending notes, but they weren't like that.

[Blake Neff]

We're having a good time.

[Jack Posobiec]

Before we do the next thing, really quick, I just want, since we were making fun of last segment.

[Tyler Boyer]

They run a janky.

[Jack Posobiec]

You say it Jank Uygur. That Cenk Uygur. Since we've been making fun of his name and making fun of his clashes with Charlie, I want to acknowledge there's a lot of people on the left who said really ugly and really nasty things. Last two weeks, Cenk has not. Cenk said very kind things about Charlie. He was extremely upset about his death. I've got some of his stuff up here. He says, you know, my heart goes out to his family. F whoever did this, we are all now in danger. Violence is always wrong. He's been great on that. So I wanted to give him a shout out for that.

[Blake Neff]

That's fair.

[Jack Posobiec]

And speaking of, he was a. I.

[Blake Neff]

Will say he was a jet. Like listen, I disagree with him completely obviously. And people get mad that we even platformed at Amfest. He was so gracious, like genuinely gracious.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's just a rambunctious. Can I put this.

[Tyler Boyer]

Our back and forth with the Young Turks is great too. It's like a great, it's great for America for the back and forth, the volleying and, and obviously Charlie on our.

[Jack Posobiec]

Side is energetic, intellectual, non violent debate. That's, that's what we want.

[Tyler Boyer]

But Jake was also vocally oppositional to the Biden Kamala thing. And so leaning. It's like people forget this is like, of course we're going to lean in on anyone. The left that's. That's going like basically at Kamala.

[Jack Posobiec]

That helps us and.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And that helps us keep going the next one.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is also something that got dunked on really nastily by people. We'll do the very short version that would get shared constantly on TikTok. Let's do the very short. 186.

[Charlie Kirk]

See, I can't stand the word empathy. Actually. I think empathy is a made up New age term that does a lot of damage.

[Andrew Colvett]

Bam.

[Jack Posobiec]

They would just use that. They would just use that and crap all over him. Oh, Charlie was evil. Now. Now we can, you know, throw a touchdown, you know, spike the football because he's dead. We'll explain this out. Let's do first, let's just do the full contextual clip. This was way back. This is, I think this is like my first week on the show. He said this or, you know, working for it back in October 2022. Let's play clip 170 instead.

[Charlie Kirk]

It is to say you're actually not in pain. So let's just a little very short clip. Bill Clinton in the 1990s. It was all about empathy and sympathy. I can't stand the word empathy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually.

[Charlie Kirk]

I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage. But it is very effective when it comes to politics. Sympathy I prefer more than empathy. That's a separate topic for a different time.

[Jack Posobiec]

So first of all, a few important things. One, this is clearly a like side remark he is making before throwing to a video. This is not a speech he's giving to the entire world.

[Blake Neff]

It's Clinton going, I feel your pain.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, exactly. He's like riffing on that. But the reason he's saying this, it's like it's just Charlie fixating on the exact words that you use, which he often could do. It's like when he would complain, republic, not a democracy.

[Blake Neff]

He hated the word democracy. We're a constitutional republic with democratic.

[Jack Posobiec]

I would always tease him about that. I'm like, we are democracy, Charlie.

[Tyler Boyer]

But well, technically.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

We just. Only everyone uses democracy to mean a country like, you know, the United States, at least before Biden. Everything anyway. But what he's getting at there is empathy versus sympathy. So empathy means definitionally like the ability to get inside someone else's head. You can get in their shoes, you understand how they feel. You can sort of.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

As you said, I feel your pain.

[Andrew Colvett]

I would even. I would even. It's not just that you. This. This is the key difference. It's not that you Just that you understand. Because I think that's still more sympathy. It's that you actually feel what they feel.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, okay, yeah, that's a good point. And certainly that's what people often use it to demand of you.

[Blake Neff]

Correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sympathy, which he preferred, is just the more straightforward. You see someone in pain and you feel.

[Blake Neff]

I recognize you were moved to pity you.

[Jack Posobiec]

You don't like that. It's a much more. It's much more in line with the traditional Christian virtue of charity. You want to feel charity towards others. You mourn with those who mourn.

[Blake Neff]

You weep with those who mourn. Exactly.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's what Charlie would prefer. Whereas when the reason he says it's kind of a new age psyop is they use that empathy thing for. Okay, you have to feel the pain I feel, which means you have to basically do what I tell you to do. It's a sort of morally coercive thing in a way. Sympathy is not sympathy. You can have sympathy for someone and still say you are incorrect. Like, you even brought this on yourself, though. I have sympathy for you and do wish to help you.

[Andrew Colvett]

The best example of Charlie on this is Charlie on the Whatever podcast where you can see he has sympathy for the sex workers and the only fans. Girls who are there where he. He gives them value, but also says, you shouldn't be doing this.

[Blake Neff]

We should pull that clip. It's such a studio. It's a good clip. I was. Blake and I were in the room that time. All right, this is. This is the end of hour one for radio. I think we're just having so much fun. We're gonna keep going through the break and for the stream because there's just so much to unpack. So don't go anywhere. We will be right back to radio. We will see you at 106 Eastern, but in just a few minutes. But we're going to keep going here on the stream. Oh, we do. We have the. We have the Hillary Clinton talking about the threat of white Christians, if we want to get back to that. But anyways.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I think we just have to play it because we.

[Tyler Boyer]

Everybody needs to hear it.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, it's. Let me know when it's loaded. Studio. It's loaded. Okay, 208. Let's play it.

[Jack Posobiec]

The idea that you could turn the clock back and try to recreate a world that never was dominated by, you know, let's say it, white men of a certain persuasion, a certain religion, a.

[Blake Neff]

Certain point of view, a certain ideology.

[Jack Posobiec]

She is just doing such damage to what we should be aiming for. And we were on the path toward that. I mean, imperfectly. Lots of, you know, bumps along the way. But I agree with you.

[Andrew Colvett]

We were on the right trajectory.

[Blake Neff]

When were we on the right trajectory?

[Andrew Colvett]

So she's. She's telling the truth. She. She's being completely honest about her. Her goals and aims here, that her target is the demonization of whites, of males and, and above all else, Christians. And so the goal of the left.

[Blake Neff]

For, I don't know, yesterday. This is yesterday.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yesterday.

[Tyler Boyer]

This is how insane it is.

[Andrew Colvett]

And she said we were on a path to removing all of that from society. Whiteness, which they openly talk about every day, men, which of course, are demonized every day, and specifically Christianity. And suddenly she says, and we're coming back to that, and we just, we just can't go back to that. And she's telling you she's afraid, so afraid of the Christian revival that is now happening in America. That's why they roll her back out on msnbc, to remind everybody, hey, hey, we're supposed to be fighting this stuff.

[Tyler Boyer]

Yeah. I think what's so damaging with this is that there's nobody coming out from mainstream media to dunk on Hillary Clinton for this. Is this, this point is so important for all of America to hear and to reiterate. Villainizing young white Christian men, who Andrew just pointed out with the graph, with the data that's out there, are the least violent, are enabling violence and agitating violence on the left.

[Blake Neff]

It was to be clear that was young conservatives of both genders, probably both sexes, rather. But, yeah, I mean, Trump won probably white males by quite a bit. So there is crossover in those two corners.

[Tyler Boyer]

Well, given that data with moderates, I mean, the moderates aren't young Christian males.

[Blake Neff]

That's true.

[Tyler Boyer]

Ye young white Christian males are becoming significantly more conservative, which is leaving behind this small fragmentation that are not being handled because of. Well, there's divisive statements like, like Hillary's, which.

[Blake Neff]

I totally agree. I totally agree.

[Andrew Colvett]

I want to get your point to Andrew's point. We did have a mass shooting of Christian children by a female, Audrey Hale in 2023 in Nashville.

[Blake Neff]

And.

[Andrew Colvett]

But again, this is a female who was believing that she was a male.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, exactly. All right, next one Biden execution. So I'll admit, like, in the days that followed, I think it was like literally the day of, I saw this clip from somebody being passed around. The day he. You know, maybe it was the day after. Because the day it happened, I couldn't go on social media at all. But the Biden execution, I was like, I don't remember Charlie calling for. And I think they said publicly executed. It was the quote I said. I was like, man, I feel like.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was mixing up two things is what.

[Andrew Colvett]

This happens to me all the time too. Like, the media will be like, Jack said this. And I'm like, I don't actually recall saying that like, or anything close.

[Blake Neff]

So. So this is actually the clip, right, Blake? 176 is the. Is the.

[Jack Posobiec]

We can do both. We'll do both things that went together because people did merge. Let's. We'll do the Biden 1 First. Yeah. 176.

[Charlie Kirk]

She. She gives these speeches and it just has this aura of totalitarianism. My team says she's Indian and Caribbean. I'll tell you what, she would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. A lot. I mean, Joe Biden is a bumbling, dementia filled, Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and or given the death penalty for his crimes against America. But Kamala Harris, my goodness, there's something that just kind of is tribal where people are like, I don't know if I want this crazy person running the country.

[Blake Neff]

All right, so first detected.

[Jack Posobiec]

I need to definitely take some blame on this one. I don't know for sure because I don't think we have like records of that. But I'm pretty sure I was in the telegram chat and I was like egging on Charlie where I was just like, biden stinks. Like, he should be in jail.

[Blake Neff]

Explain this dynamic. So when I first met Charlie, Charlie was against capital punishment. So he did not. But so then he. Then Blake joins the team and Blake is. I would say if you're radical on one issue, it's probably that issue Blake wants to bring back. Like, you know, capital punishment in all various forms. And you can. I know sometimes you're like joking, but sometimes it's hard to like, figure out what that is. But in general, I would say your position is that capital punishment takes too long and, you know, you're essentially 20 years later. Somebody eventually gets put to death for a crime they committed. Sometimes the victims, families and their loved ones are. Have passed on themselves. Like, you know, you've got people that barely remember the crime that are witnessing it and it and it and it ceases to have the. The effect that capital punishment is supposed to have, which is a deterrent effect. Right. And so your point is like, hey, listen, if we have somebody, we know they did it, it should happen quickly, although.

[Jack Posobiec]

So that's not. So that's what we're getting at.

[Blake Neff]

I know Biden one.

[Jack Posobiec]

The Biden one. What we're getting at is. But that. With the Biden one, what we're getting at is really he was trying to basically just drive home. The reason he would sometimes speak really intensely about Biden in that way is he really wants to drive home how disastrous. Disastrous how, like, treacherous reason is. So I didn't even fuss over using the word treason.

[Blake Neff]

You kept trying to tell us not to use the word, but then it's.

[Jack Posobiec]

Like the b. Biden's situation at the border was basically total open border. You can get in. If you use about 10 different code words, you can come in. Like, we have not just people coming in from Mexico or Central America. We have tens of thousands of people coming in unchecked from China, from Mauritania, from Pakistan, from, like, the worst places in the world. No checks could be here for any reason, any sinister reason.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Spies, militants, drug dealers, gangsters, all sorts of this stuff being deliberately enabled and just let along. And we were like, we should actually come out and be like, okay, substantively, at what point are you just, as a leader, like, midwife ing an invasion of your own country? And at that point, that's like treason. And so that's what we were getting at with that.

[Tyler Boyer]

Plus the marriage of the Biden family with all these foreign entities, I mean, it just, it's. It never has been talked about. It never has been purely truly investigated. It's never been. The time has not been spent, certainly from the mainstream media. And so, yeah, I mean, the invasion of our country, I think, is married directly to that. And that has to be still discussed. And every time Trump opens his mouth about it, it's like he gets slapped down by anyone and everyone. And Charlie was one of the only people that talked about it. And God bless him for it.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then. So that the Biden one then mixed up with the other one. We had a great conversation on Thought crime. This was back in February 2024. Thank you, media Matters, for continuing to be a great clipper of all Thought Crime content.

[Blake Neff]

This is basically how we found all these last night.

[Tyler Boyer]

Media Matters.

[Jack Posobiec]

Actually, I don't think we have this clip right now, and it's pretty long. But I want to read the quote because it's Amazing. So this is.

[Blake Neff]

I remember this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Can I give a shout out? Because Media's Lies is actually clipping our show live right now.

[Blake Neff]

Great.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you very much. Media Lies, which is way better, way cooler than Media Matters. But I am so grateful to their diligent work on our behalf. So this was Charlie saying, you know, my other problem with the death penalty, it takes too long, too many appeals. Tyler says it's too expensive. And then Charlie says it should be public, it should be quick, and it should be televised. And then Tyler pointed out, he's like the last execution France was the guillotine in 1977. Yeah. And then 100%, they used it all the way till 1977. And then Tyler says, that's so cool.

[Blake Neff]

So again, yeah, the point is.

[Andrew Colvett]

So he never said the word children.

[Blake Neff]

No.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, so what happened was it should be done in public and people should watch it. And then he threw out. How young do we do that? And I said, 12 maybe.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, I remember this. Yeah, I remember this. And again, the point is, you can disagree with this sentiment. That's totally fair. But again, there is a difference between when the state arrests somebody for a vicious crime and a jury of his peers pronounces him guilty in the first degree and there is capital punishment and that that person should be. Should the sentence should be carried out. And by the way, I just want to say by the end of Charlie's life, he was pro death penalty. I remember asking him that a couple months ago. Are you sure that you believe that the state has the right to.

[Andrew Colvett]

There's that clip of him that's been going viral.

[Blake Neff]

And he said, yeah, yeah. He said absolutely no. And that was an evolution for him.

[Tyler Boyer]

And this is the point. Yeah, this is the point with that conversation is that it was that that the public knew about what was going on. It wasn't about the. The grittiness of it. It was about the public knowledge of.

[Blake Neff]

It was a deterrent of capital punishment. That's the whole point of capital punishment. All right, we are going to welcome back radio for the start of our two many more clips to get to. We'll be right back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Start of hour two. We are debunking the some of the clips that have been going viral mostly by the left that don't believe Charlie is all that and a bag of potato chips, I think. You know, it's funny, I was telling a very prominent Fox News host this morning. I was texting back and forth with this person And I said something that struck me even as I said it. I was like, wow, that was really succinct. And I'm going to remember that I said I was closer to Charlie than basically anybody outside of Erica, maybe Mikey or whatever. And it strikes me that I was so close to him and yet how much he reminds me of. I'm not equating the two, but how much his life reminded me of the example of Jesus Christ. Like, so to be that close to somebody and to see it up close and see how well he lived out the lessons of Jesus in the Bible. Again, I'm not equating them. Charlie was an imperfect person.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's how Charlie emulated his life. He emulated from the example of Jesus to be Christ. Like, so he was actively trying.

[Blake Neff]

He was trying to be like.

[Andrew Colvett]

So you're just recognizing that Charlie was doing.

[Blake Neff]

But it's amazing to. It's amazing. It's striking to me that I got to be so close to it and how true and honest. That's actually the way that I saw Charlie. How he lived his life was so Christlike. And especially as he got older, he got more and more Christ like and his policies got better, and his positions got better and his arguments got better. And that was an outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of God that was coming out of Charlie. And I just think that's remarkable that I was that close. And I genuinely really feel that and believe it.

[Tyler Boyer]

He was so thoughtful about the way that he approached every question and every personality and every person. And that was part of the thing. I think that was a lot of his Christlike ability, was that he studied the Scriptures every single day. He was very prayerful, extraordinarily focused. But every single person that approached him, similar to some of the stories about Jesus, was that he would be thoughtful. It was never just like, shoot off the hip. Yeah. Off the cuff, dismissive.

[Blake Neff]

He was never that way interpersonally. He was amazing. And he was always so encouraging to. It didn't matter if you were somebody famous or somebody completely obscure. He was always the same, very thoughtful.

[Tyler Boyer]

Well, and I think that's what enabled people to follow him. Like that discipleship analogy is that so many people he was able to gather and have follow him that were able to get the work done.

[Blake Neff]

I. I completely agree. And one of. I mean, do we want to get to the civil rights thing? We'll get to it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's do another. Let's do another shorter one. Let's do the wives submit to your Husband's one.

[Andrew Colvett]

We kind of talked about it, but this is.

[Jack Posobiec]

Again, this is like barely even a smear. It's just people deciding to be nasty.

[Blake Neff]

About people that, like, don't understand that as a Christian, we believe the Bible is infallible.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is a simple thing. It's like Charlie is a Bible believing Christian. And the Bible says a lot of things about marriage. It says stuff in First Peter, chapter three, says stuff in Titus, chapter two says stuff. Titus, whatever. Colossians, chapter three and Ephesians five.

[Blake Neff]

Colossians, Colossians.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's how I've heard it. Colossians. They wrote to Rhodes, right? Yeah, Colossuses.

[Blake Neff]

Colossians. Colossians.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's what. That's what. It's too right.

[Blake Neff]

It's weird when you hear it wrong and then you're like, wait, did I. Yeah. Anyways, keep going, keep going.

[Jack Posobiec]

Now I have to first find out if the episode to the Colossians and.

[Blake Neff]

It'S in if it is the Colossians.

[Jack Posobiec]

But did he write it to Rhodes? That's why I'm trying to. Oh, it's colossal. Dang it. No, the Colossus of Rhodes. I know, but I thought it might be like the people of the Colossus. But there's an actual city named Colossus. Dang it.

[Blake Neff]

No. Contingen 177. Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

Okay. Anyway, yeah, let's do. Well, that's 177 is just a photo.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of him tweeting it or debunking already.

[Jack Posobiec]

But this is like, not even really a debunking it. It's more like Charlie actually lived his life as a Christian. So he would emphasize. Yeah, he would talk about wives submitting to your husbands. Let's. Let's do 178 as an example.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is something that I hope will make Taylor Swift more conservative, engage in reality more, and get outside of the abstract clouds. Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You're not in charge. And most importantly, I can't wait to go to a Taylor Kelsey conference concert. I can't say it without laughing. You got to change your name. If not, you don't really mean it. Congratulations, Taylor.

[Blake Neff]

He did not get enough credit for how funny he was.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it was great.

[Tyler Boyer]

Wait, he evoked Taylor's name.

[Jack Posobiec]

So yeah, that was another one. I think that where I just threw in, like, right as a segment was.

[Blake Neff]

A she should change your name.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then he thought through that out there. But yeah, it's like. But Charlie was also very clear about what that meant. Like that, you know, husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives as Christ laid down himself for the church. That's the comparison that pops up in the New Testament. It's that the relationship between Christ and the church is like a husband and a wife. That is like the ideal they are setting. And so what does Christ do? Christ leads. But Christ also sacrifices himself on the cross for the church. Husbands are supposed to lay down their lives for their wives. And as we know, Charlie lived that. Charlie did that himself. And Charlie gladly did that all the.

[Blake Neff]

Way to the end. This one has very few teeth, in my opinion, because people have gotten to see Erica Kirk and the strength that she has. And by the way, this is breaking news. I'm just gonna do it right now. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Erica Kirk is going to be on this program tomorrow. She will be on this program tomorrow. So set your calendars, make it an alert. We are going to have Erica Kirk on the Charlie Kirk show for the first time since all of this, all of this has happened. And she is going to talk to the Charlie Kirk show audience. So we're very, very honored that she is going to be making the time. She's, you know, she's not like Charlie in the sense that she's doing this podcast and this podcast. She is a grieving widow. She is. Got a lot on her plate. And the fact that she's doing this with us tomorrow is a real treat and a real special honor. I mean, you wouldn't believe the type of inquiries of the people that want to talk to her. So she wants to talk to you in the audience. Real, real Americans and the people that love Charlie. And so that's what we're going to do it tomorrow. We will have Erica Kirk, Andrew, and.

[Tyler Boyer]

She'S actually, as we speak right now, this is what I've been. Somebody was like, Andrew's busting Tyler for being on his phone. Eric is actually on a zoom call with all of our staff right now, getting everybody organized, working with everyone.

[Blake Neff]

She's a true CEO.

[Tyler Boyer]

She is at the like as we speak right now. That's what we're doing. And everybody is working, you know, full steam ahead here to answer the calls that behind Erica's leadership. And so I'm excited to see her tomorrow because there's a lot to cover. But she has been an incredibly brave soul through all of this, and it is. It has emboldened all of us.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, well, and this just goes to show you, there's a clip of this actually African American woman who. Or black woman, however we like to say it on the show. We usually use that. The latter. But she was so sweet. She said to Charlie, she said, you know how I know she didn't like Charlie at first? And she started following the things Charlie said, though, at some point, and she's like, you know how I know Charlie Kirk was right about this stuff? Because when I did the things that Charlie encouraged me to do, my life got markedly better. And you can see that the way that Charlie viewed marriage, the way that the Bible prescribes a healthy and godly marriage, is amazing. And Charlie tweeted that after he said, God's design for marriage is amazing. And now you see the kind of woman that is involved in a healthy, balanced relationship where they are not rivals. That line was so powerful to me. You are not your husband's rival. Erica said that at the event, if we want it. Sure. If you want to play.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, yeah, let's do. I think. I think these go consecutively.

[Blake Neff]

Yesterday.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, let's do. How about. We do. I think 121 and 122 are consecutive. Might have to flush this real quick. But let's do. Let's do that. Let's do 121 immediately followed by 122. To all the men watching around the.

[Andrew Colvett]

World.

[Jack Posobiec]

Accept Charlie's challenge and embrace true manhood. Be strong and courageous for your families. Love your wives and lead them. Love your children and protect. Protect them. Be the spiritual head of your home.

[Blake Neff]

But please be a leader worth following. But please be a leader worth following. Your wife.

[Jack Posobiec]

Your wife is not your servant. Your wife is not your employee. Your wife is not your slave. She is your helper. You are not rivals. You are one flesh working together for the glory of God.

[Blake Neff]

Amen. Erica Kirk and I would say that Erica Kirk and. Sorry, we missed a radio throw there, but that's fine. Erica Kirk is the debunking, the living embodiment of this critique of Charlie. It's not really, like, a lie. It's like you really believe this. You just hate the Bible.

[Andrew Colvett]

So what it is. And by the way, I could sit here for an hour and talk about how just remarkable it is that Erica's doing all of this while going through this at the same time and being there for the kids and all of it. It's incredible to witness, Just incredible to witness. And I mean that truly. And as someone who I can consider a friend and that there's so many people who just don't understand Christianity. And I said this the other night on one of the interviews is that when they watch that memorial service and they saw so many aspects of Christian society that aren't normally infused in public society, in the public space. So certain quotes from the Bible, which, by the way, go up against what the secular idols of the age, right, that we've been talking about, like, what thought crime is all about. That's one of them right there. This is a biblically ordered marriage, a biblically ordered relationship. And when you see these things in public, it can be confusing to members of the media or people who are raised secularly or live secularly that just don't get it and don't understand what we're talking about because they're so far removed from the Bible itself. And so I think it's amazing to actually just be able to show that. That, yeah, we have strong wives. Everyone, you know, every one of us that's married, we have very strong wives, and we're very blessed to have wives that are far better than we deserve. And. And that's great. Now, that doesn't mean that, you know, we. We sit there and play the, you know, the old game of, like, you.

[Blake Neff]

Know, happy wife, happy life, you know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or any of that, but it's. It's. You have to be a man who's deserving of that. Tyler just said in the chat, they're all blonde.

[Tyler Boyer]

That's true.

[Jack Posobiec]

There's. You know, it is more generally. It's interesting.

[Blake Neff]

My wife's blonde. Your wife's blonde. Your wife's blonde.

[Andrew Colvett]

Erica's blonde.

[Jack Posobiec]

Brunettes.

[Blake Neff]

We're gonna get Blake. I like brunettes, too.

[Andrew Colvett]

And then I met Tanya, and I was like, okay, we're going blonde.

[Blake Neff]

All right, There we go.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, in general, I kind of wanted to flag this just because it is so interesting. After the memorial, some people have basically come out and been like. Like, they're deeply unsettled that there was this big event where people were praying. And, you know, talking about this feels so alien, normal. So Thomas Chatterton Williams, who's just this very funny guy, he's a writer at the Atlantic. He's written. You know, he's kind of this one of those, like, centrist writers who's respected or whatever. He's not nuts. But he had this response where he tweeted, I've spent half my life, half of my adult life living in one foreign country or another, and I don't think I've ever felt as estranged from the surrounding culture as I am from the aesthetics and sensibilities of this movement, meaning the people at our. At our memorial. Not even a criticism. I just feel more at home in Greece than. And then these images, and it's, you know, images of Eric.

[Blake Neff]

And then Matt Walsh was like, yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then Matt Walsh is like, then leave.

[Blake Neff]

Then leave.

[Jack Posobiec]

And that's like a good answer.

[Blake Neff]

Then leave.

[Jack Posobiec]

If you can't handle, like, American popular Protestant culture, like, you don't like America because we've had this since the Great Awakening.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And, you know, there's this idea, well.

[Andrew Colvett]

America's always been a Christian majority nation.

[Jack Posobiec]

A Christian majority, but also just very culturally, it is low church Protestantism is like the big thing that has contributed culturally to Americanness.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and the founders said over and over, all of this is for a Christian nation. And if you walk away from. With, you know, the flip side of that being that if you walk away from Christianity, none of this stuff is going to work.

[Jack Posobiec]

John Adams, he warned us.

[Andrew Colvett]

Sure did.

[Blake Neff]

So I think that's really spot on. And I just, again, I'm just gonna reiterate that Erica is the living embodiment of the debunking of the fact that Charlie was anywhere, anything but 100,000% right about husbands and wives. And by the way, it was always just funny to me that every time Charlie would utter the word Taylor Swift or the name Taylor Swift, that it would just explode and there would be like 15 articles written about it. And poor Daisy and Emma would just be freaking out because they're huge Swifties, which, you know, listen, this is a free country. They are free to make mistakes, and that's fine. No, we. I actually. I actually don't have any animus towards T. Swift or. What is it? Travis Taylor, Kelsey? Now, is it. Is it going to be that. Do you think she's.

[Andrew Colvett]

Now, is he going to be wearing the dress?

[Blake Neff]

That's what I want to know. Travis Swift.

[Andrew Colvett]

So is she going to wear the talks and he's going to wear the dress? Right.

[Blake Neff]

We're being bad.

[Tyler Boyer]

No, it's Travis Swift.

[Andrew Colvett]

No, I'm saying he's a very effeminate man.

[Blake Neff]

He's a very football player. Like, he's extreme.

[Andrew Colvett]

I've listened to him talk. He's very feminine.

[Blake Neff]

Okay, well, maybe.

[Tyler Boyer]

Yes, we have no animus towards Taylor Swift or anyone.

[Andrew Colvett]

You guys might.

[Blake Neff]

I don't. I don't. I don't share the animus. I've always been very clear about that. We're going to welcome back radio and we're going to go to the next topic because I'm not Backing down. Jack's probably going to get written up now and say, I've already been written up. Charlie's gonna get blamed. Whatever you say now, it's just not the way it works. All right, welcome back, radio in just one second. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show, radio stations of across the country. And by the way, you know, you guys have been so sweet. I've gotten. I mean, I can't keep up with the messages like Charlie does, but so many of you are asking how you can support us or help us. And I just, I know that God has his hand on this show and on Charlie's legacy and what Erica is going to. Going to do with this and she is behind this 100%. I've told this before, but Erica gave me a couple directions in the immediate aftermath, and it was, you're our spokesman. Go out and be a spokesman. Okay. Do the interviews. Okay. I will do what Erica says. She's our leader. She's the beating heart, the spiritual center of Turning Point and even of this show. And then she said, you got to keep the show going. And so we're going to keep the show going. And I know that you guys have heard that message loud and clear. I said it in my speech. And if you do want to help us, that's so sweet of you to ask. People keep asking. So I'm just going to do this once. I hope this isn't, you know, come off weird or anything, but you guys keep messaging. So we do have the shirts. If you want to get the shirts at the. You can do that. And so many of you have. So thank you for that. And if you want to become a member, members.charlie kirk.com. we're still doing the members stuff. We're still going to do members calls and all of that stuff is going to keep, keep going. So, so please do those two things. And it means a lot. And you're helping, helping support us in kind of some uncertain times. So it's, it's very great. We're very grateful to you.

[Andrew Colvett]

We should.

[Blake Neff]

Let's go to the next clip. Well, go ahead.

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, just because we haven't mentioned it yet, we should throw a shout out to Megyn Kelly for the great event last night.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Thank you for reminding me. Virginia Tech, Glenn Youngkin, Megyn Kelly, 3,000, 3,100 people. We are so limited by the venue sizes, so we have a couple of events coming up that have about 9,000 seats or almost close to 10,000. So we'll be able to fit more and more people in at some of these. Some of the venues are just smaller. But I'm sure we could have filled up a 9,000 person venue last night with Megyn Kelly and Glenn Youngkin at Virginia Tech. But it was amazing and such a success. And I have so much respect for Michael Knowles, who's been a friend for a long time, and Megan, who's been a friend for a long time, never met Glenn Youngkin, but I have respect that he came out there and got behind what we're doing here at Turning Point. And the show must go on, the tours must go on. Amfest will go on in December and so much more. We have a lot of plans that are getting formulated as we speak. So Charlie's legacy and his goodness and his mission blesses us now even still. And we are going to be good stewards of that energy. Charlie would demand that we capture this energy and help this country. And, you know, we're doing it for Charlie, we're doing it for America. And we're doing it because we love the Lord and the Lord has his hand on this and we believe it. So let's go to the next one. Blake, what's the next? I think we have to go to civil rights.

[Jack Posobiec]

We have two big topics to hit and I think Civil Rights act as the better of the two to start with. So this is again, this loops back to the DEI pilots thing, which this is like the big miasma, but I think this is one of the ones Obama literally attacked us over. The stuff he said about this sure did. And it's just let's start with like kind of this montage that from Charlie. Let's do clip 171 and the civil.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rights act, though, let's be clear, created a beast and that beast has now turned into an anti white weapon. This topic would have been even more forbidden four or five years ago, but it's now becoming in more and more mainstream circles. Is that because the problem is becoming worse or. But our side is more courageous to confront it. The present reality, not the ideal, the reality of the Civil Rights act and how it's being used is making it harder for us to pursue excellence as a society. Here's a fact. Since the Civil Rights act passed, I think that it's fair to say any sort of racist sentiments that are in America have gone, at least individually amongst white people towards black people have gone away. What I'm trying to counter is the reason we talk about race so much is because we have a Federal holiday to a guy that talked about race all the time. We celebrate the Civil Rights act more than the American founding.

[Blake Neff]

That last part is really the core that really bothered Charlie that we, that we would honor these, these second, you know, foundation, if you will.

[Andrew Colvett]

The third really he ascribed to the Caldwell theory that this second founding superseded the actual founding.

[Jack Posobiec]

So yeah, there's this book that everyone should be aware of, this book, because it's very important. Even if you haven't read it though, it's not long. It's called the Age of Entitlement by Chris Caldwell.

[Blake Neff]

I think we've sold more copies of that book for Chris Caldwell than any.

[Jack Posobiec]

Quite possibly. And to be clear, Chris Caldwell is the guy who is. Do we have that in the B roll? Put it up if you can. 216. I think we just got it. And so this guy works for, he writes for the New York Times. He's not an obscure person. He is not a, like, he's not a nobody. He's not this big winger. And what he says in the Age of Entitlement is he basically says that in the 1960s we sort of refounded America on, you know, the civil rights stuff that we passed. And we basically took America from the original constitutional order to a new one where basically America's chief purpose is being like anti racist and like pro equality, but sort of not really.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which is what everyone on the left believes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes, they open the system.

[Andrew Colvett]

Hillary Clinton just went on MSNBC and explained this is what we believe.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes. And so what we've gotten is we've gotten a new reality where everything we do basically revolves around like the pursuit of this new civil rights order. And we're about to go to a break. I want to explain this. There's kind of multiple pieces to it. This is something people are going to have to know going forward because this is a core part of this admin and kind of what modern conservatism is.

[Blake Neff]

All right, we'll be right back. Don't go anywhere. All right, look, continue on because this is a deep, deep well.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, so this is what you'll see when you, whenever you see these Charlie clips. What he'll, he'll say is, he'll say the act had good intentions, it had bad long term consequences, outcomes. And this is very true because the Civil Rights act and other laws, like it basically just said, oh, you can't racially discriminate against people in hiring and various things. But the way it basically immediately was used by bureaucrats, by activists, and most importantly by judges and the courts was to mean the exact opposite of what people thought they were passing. Instead of it's illegal to discriminate, it became it's mandatory to discriminate. This came from a thing called disparate impact. If you haven't heard of it, it's still very important in your life. Disparate impact is a court doctrine where if you do something like if you have a test to hire someone, if you have some sort of hiring standard and it produces a disparate impact, it doesn't affect everyone equally, different groups pass it more than others, then it can be used to find you're violating civil rights law. The obvious problem with this is everything has a disparate impact, Literally everything. No one has found a test, a standard that does not apply differently based on your sex, your race, your religion, not because those things guide it, but they just don't have an equal outcome.

[Andrew Colvett]

This gets into the very same problem as DEI that we were talking about where Charlie was for a colorblind society based on merit, based on who's the best for the, the job, the slot in Ivy League or any school. And that equal standards should be applied. And suddenly we have this new piece of legislation that's like, well, again, well intentioned, but it creates these systems that Blake is going through that really kind of take us to places that I don't think were intended at all and certainly are not in line with our founders.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly. And the important thing is it basically, since everything has this, it essentially made everything illegal and as a result, everything is just subject to the whim of bureaucrats. And this is where it gets really toxic. How do you know whether you're violating this law? Well, basically everyone's violating this law. So it's just, does the government like you or not? And one thing this does is it causes this endless escalation where that's why we have like the tyranny of HR directors is that everyone's like, well, how do we prove we're not violating the law? We don't have, you know, our company's demographics don't match the US's because almost nobody's does. Our hiring does not match the demographics of who applies. So we need to, you know, juice the numbers a bit. So we do these big diversity initiatives. So like, that's kind of what United is going for. When United does their announcement, oh, we're going to have 50% of our pilots be from these groups. They're trying to say, look at us, we're trying really, really hard to comply with this don't sue us, please. Another thing we get is we get these hostile environment things. A side effect of these laws is you can be found liable for creating a hostile environment against people based on what you say. So, for example, if you're in a large workplace and you say, I think we should hire on merit and not have affirmative action, you can be dinged for creating a hostile environment towards groups. So we have rule by the most plausibly offended people. Rule by the offended. That is not an American value historically, but it is kind of this invisible dictatorship we've lived under for decades. And Charlie read Caldwell's book. He was very aware of this and he talked about this. And he wasn't afraid of this. He wasn't afraid of topics that were awkward. And he would confront the fact that we have sacralized a law. And he basically is saying, other than Constitution, we shouldn't really do that. We shouldn't treat a piece of flawed legislation passed by Congress, which has become more flawed thanks to judges, as sacred scripture.

[Andrew Colvett]

And again, Hillary Clinton, right, she goes right up there on MSNBC and reiterates it. She says, this is what we're for. This is what was before and this is what we're pushing for now.

[Blake Neff]

And to summarize, I think this in a succinct way. Charlie was not against, against the purest motives. I think there was some impure motives behind passing the Civil Rights Act. I think there was some political calculation done by.

[Andrew Colvett]

Lbj.

[Blake Neff]

Lbj. But many of the intentions, many of the intentions were good. The law had problems and it has created more problems. It created, as Charlie would say, a leviathan of the administrative class, which eventually more morphed into the commissars of wokeness and HR managers and DEI directors and all of these, these weights that held us back as a society from being able to achieve great things, right? This is why people like Elon Musk that have achieved truly great things hate this stuff too, because they know that in practice of building anything, this stuff weighs you down. And we must not let that happen as a culture. And Charlie was fearless about confronting these things. And I, and I to this day, it's one of the most. Some of the most respect I have for Charlie and the stands he would take. He knew he was going into a very, very controversial topic, but that never stopped him. We're going to welcome back radio in just a second. We're going to keep going. Don't go anywhere. All right? Yeah, let's. Let's do Obama. Welcome back. Radio stations across the country. We are going through our list here. The team did a great job prepping for this whole show. So, Blake, take us away.

[Jack Posobiec]

Alrighty. So we're continuing on this, like, civil rights to EI topic. This is one that went viral. Another, like, total smear, total lie against Charlie was that people were just posting that Charlie claimed that, like, black women didn't have brain power.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Never.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do we have the exact quote he.

[Andrew Colvett]

Said, just never said it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, it's. Do we have the exact quote that they were making up?

[Blake Neff]

Well, why don't we just go Obama, I want to.

[Jack Posobiec]

I want to get the one. This 190 because. Yeah, so what people were saying, let's see, we have a fact check from Yahoo.com which apparently still exists, that supposedly the quote was, he said, again, this is alleged black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. This was shared on never shared social media. This is a lie. This is a lie. We're starting off with that. So let's go. First of all, let's do clip 192.

[Charlie Kirk]

Boy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Katanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks. We would have been called the racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us. They're coming out and they're saying, I'm only here because affirmative action.

[Jack Posobiec]

But I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative affirmative action, and particularly in higher education. I may have been admitted on affirmative action both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color.

[Charlie Kirk]

I. I hear because of action affirmative.

[Blake Neff]

She can't even say that.

[Charlie Kirk]

We know. We know. It's very obvious to us that you were not smart enough to be able to get in on your own.

[Jack Posobiec]

So, yeah, so. And though there's another thing where he took, like, quotes and we put this on Twitter back in 2023. It's like, joy Reid, I got into Harvard because of affirmative action. Sheila Jackson Lee, I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action. Michelle Obama. I wasn't supposed to go to Princeton because my high school counselor said my test scores were too low. And so Charlie come out and said, okay, you guys are all admitting you couldn't have gotten in if you had a different skin color and a different sex. If you were white men, you would have not gotten in. You're saying I deserve to get in not because of my abilities but because of my demographic categories. Charlie opposed that because Charlie favored treating people equally. That's what he said. And in this Case. He was referring to these specific women. These specific women came out and said, themselves, I was not good enough to get in without affirmative action. Okay, thanks for letting us know.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And I remember with Michelle Obama specifically, I remember we quoted Christopher Hitchens, who had some very searing commentary about her college thesis. So I remember we talked about that. And Charlie talked about that at the time. He said, quote anyone who has read Michelle's college thesis, a document so illiterate and incoherent that it was. That it was written, as Christopher Hitchens put it, in no known language.

[Jack Posobiec]

He's being, like, a little meander. It's not a great thesis.

[Blake Neff]

No, but the point is, Charlie was just saying, like, you're admitting that you couldn't get in on your own merit now. Okay, to be generous, you could say that the world was a different place when they were getting in, and there might have been actual bias. I don't know that that's true. I kind of don't believe it. But nevertheless, there was a version of American history in which, yeah, there was a bias against, you know, having a black woman at Yale or Princeton or something like that. Nobody.

[Jack Posobiec]

Nobody. Like, nobody alive. Nobody who is alive.

[Blake Neff]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. Nobody alive today has lived through a period where there is actual, like, legal or institutional discrimination against.

[Blake Neff]

But this is. You're getting to a deeper point that. That if you are of a certain age.

[Andrew Colvett]

Except for white men.

[Jack Posobiec]

No, I said not any people. Those people.

[Blake Neff]

So. But. Yeah, yeah, but you're getting to a deeper point, and that is that if you are of a certain age and you could basically cut the line at about 50. Jack. I would say if you are a black person In America over 50, you look at the Civil Rights act as a. As a. This. You have canonized the Civil Rights Act. Right. You have. You look at it as almost like a tribal marker, and it is something. This is why the devotion to the Democrat party over 50 is so. It's like a.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's like. It's.

[Blake Neff]

It's.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's. I wouldn't. I would say, like, you look at that as the real founding of America.

[Blake Neff]

Sure. Right. Is the promises of the Declaration of Independence finally coming to full? It didn't apply to you until 1950, but under 50. If you're under 50, you are not connected to that in your. In living memory. Right. You're not even connected to it from a cultural standpoint, and you are less loyal or less tied to it. And that's why you're starting to see, especially Black men under 50, they are breaking more and more away from the Democrat Party because the results have been abysmal for them and their people and their families. And so that is that you're starting to see that. But it is sacrosanct if you are over 50, to attack the Civil Rights act, to attack it. And even Charlie would say, I'm not attacking the intention. I'm just simply saying it created certain problems. And that, I think is a fair.

[Andrew Colvett]

By the way, that's for whites over 52.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, sure. I totally agree. I totally. Actually, that's a really good point. I totally. I totally agree.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right.

[Tyler Boyer]

And a lot of this really weird, it's ugly head during the Obama era, right? Which is.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's weaponized all this.

[Tyler Boyer]

Because he weaponized all this. It was. It laid pretty vacant for many, many years. And the radical left starting the Obama era, which is what Charlie grew out of during the Chicago shadow of the Obama era, is where this started. That's actually the most interesting part about the entire story of Charlie Kirk and the hero heroism of Charlie Kirk is that he came out of the shadow of the Obama era, where all of these problems came from. And that's the bridge. The bridge is Chicago boy. Charlie Kirk was the only person a lot of times, standing up and using his platform to fight these battles that were basically triggered during the Obama era.

[Blake Neff]

So we need. We need. All of this flows into all the final. The final boss coup de grace.

[Jack Posobiec]

The final top of the mountain is we. We are at the mountaintop. So this is the big controversial thing. Charlie said controversial things about Martin Luther King Jr. This was brought up by a lot of people in the wake of his demise. And, you know, obviously Charlie and the Reverend King have a grim thing in common now, and we should acknowledge that.

[Blake Neff]

And neither. Neither of them deserved.

[Jack Posobiec]

Exactly. Neither. Neither of them deserved it. And so I want. I want to preface this with that, but we're going to continue to hear these criticisms, so we're going to confront them. All of this kind of goes back to a segment of our show, a couple shows we did in early 2024, MLK Day was coming up. And the first thing that's kind of funny about it is it's like an accident. All it was was at the end of one of our day's shows, Charlie basically teased. He's like, I'm gonna have, you know, Blake write up a little short thing on, you know, Martin Luther King, because it's not. He's not everything you've heard said about him. And we're gonna do it. And it got noticed.

[Blake Neff]

It's one step back because he said something at Amfest. He got asked a question about MLK at Amfest, which would have been like December 2023. And he said, I think he tried to add nuance later to it, but he just said he's not a good guy. And so then a reporter called me and said, we heard some rumor that you guys are gonna be doing a MLK show. Not true. I don't know where this reporter got it, but then I, I, I forwarded it.

[Jack Posobiec]

Charlie, was that Wired?

[Blake Neff]

It might have been.

[Jack Posobiec]

It might have been. We have it. We haven't react to this. Let's do clip188. It was literally just, you said, you know, MLK days coming up. And you know, we were gonna do a show that day. So he's just like, you know, there's a lot of stuff people don't know about mlk. I'll have Blake go look something up. And then someone at Wired, I guess.

[Charlie Kirk]

Saw it and they usually cover like.

[Jack Posobiec]

Bitcoin Blake, that's the, that's the bad guy you have on your staff. And then they send us that irate email and it's like, well, we can't back down now. Now we gotta go, yeah, we gotta blow it up.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I'm. The way I'm wired, is that the more opposition I get from. I kind of then want to lean in. And it was so how dare you? Or we're going to punish you or we're going to hurt you. It was very almost quasi threatening in the way that they were communicating.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. And it gets it. Exactly what you said at the top of the hour, that but he is the most sacred figure of the 20th century. And that was the context we gave to it, which was there was a poll at that time, you know, approval rating of different figures. And MLK was the highest, 96% approval, higher than Jesus of Nazareth. So MLK was more popular than Jesus.

[Blake Neff]

So the fact that the Civil Rights act was more revered than the Constitution, the fact that Juneteenth was more revered than July 4th by some. Not really, I don't think that's quite as true. But by some, or at least it was competing with like, that's what. And the fact that MLK was more revered than Jesus Christ, these things fundamentally ate at his cry. And he wanted to confront them.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, it was like MLK is basically America's national saint figure. There is, I think, some theological assembly of mainline Protestants propose that his words be considered divinely. Inspired, like scripture. There's. There's a lot of over the top stuff. And so that's what he wanted to confront. It wasn't even. It wasn't. MLK is bad.

[Blake Neff]

It is.

[Jack Posobiec]

MLK is flawed.

[Blake Neff]

Let me tell you what Charlie said to me in private. And he might have said this publicly too, but Charlie said, listen, I think the country had gotten to a point where somebody like MLK was needed. And I am happy to acknowledge that that needed to be mlk. And he did some good things. He said some good things. He also got more radical towards his death. He got more. He got more connected with communists and, you know, there was a financing network that was propping him up. And he also, you know, for being a reverend, you know, this is just the truth, right. That he had a lot of mistresses and was, you know, I'll never forget, I was with Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, he was. When he said, Charlie's a bad. Charlie said he's a bad person. He's talking about he's not a good Christian.

[Blake Neff]

He cheated on his wife all the time.

[Andrew Colvett]

He was talking about.

[Blake Neff]

He's like, he had a different woman.

[Andrew Colvett]

In that he was not Christian.

[Blake Neff]

He had a different woman in basically every town that he would call. And the FBI track this, which, you know, we can get into his rights.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's right. You know, the FBI infamously wrote him a letter kind of suggesting he should.

[Blake Neff]

Right. Yeah. Listen, I'm not. I'm not saying that MLK didn't do some really important or at least contribute to some really important changes and good things in his peaceful. Peaceful protests were largely really important and good. It could have been led by somebody who didn't believe in peaceful protests. It's true also that they intentionally would goad certain police departments and things like that. It's a lot of nuance is all I'm saying. But Charlie privately said we probably needed him in that time. But to completely sanctify and not deal with the truth, the whole truth of who Martin Luther King was and what he actually did, and some of his flaws would be unfair to America. And to treat a lie and to canonize a lie can be problematic. Right. So every country has its myths, its founding myths. And if we're talking about the second founding of America, you have to be careful about the myths that you put forward. And Charlie, man, I. I remember he. That was where he said, like, you know, this is. This is a golden calf. You are not allowed to go after. And the way Charlie was wired is he wanted to go in on it and really expose it. Would you agree, Blake?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, we have a couple more clips we'll have to play, but it looks like. Yeah, now we have to probably wait past the bump.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, we do have this good clip. What are the good things in MLB?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, we can't. It's 47 seconds long.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, no, exactly. No, I'm just looking.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, so we'll play both of those. We'll just wait past the bump. But no, it's just. It's very much like Charlie cared a lot about the truth, so he wasn't going to like sacralize somebody if he knew something about it was more complex than that.

[Blake Neff]

Well, I'll say this. I was with Charlie in a black pastor and we talked about this issue and the black pastor was saying, I'm gonna help you, but you gotta understand. And he's like, well, am I wrong about the philandering? He's like, oh, well, I'm okay. He did like that. And he did a lot of that and we know it, but we just don't like to talk about it. I was like, okay, we'll be right back.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right, so we have a pair of clips here that I think is good to push together. And one of the first things. So what happened is since that Wired guy called, we kind of did two hours on him. The first thing we did, we talked with a. I can't remember who it was.

[Blake Neff]

Vince Everett. Everett.

[Jack Posobiec]

So we talked to him for about an hour and then he basically had me on. Is like, all right, Blake, tell us what you have. But I think it's noteworthy. One of the first things he asked, lay out what are the unimpeachably good things about MLK's life? Before we criticize him, let's remind why he became so revered. And he asked me that. Let's play 189.

[Charlie Kirk]

What are the good things in MLK's life?

[Jack Posobiec]

Obviously, Jim Crow as it existed in the south still in the 50s and early 60s in terms of restrictions on voting, segregated buses, segregated public spaces. That was all bad. That was all evil. And it was good that MLK campaigned against it. MLK himself was a non violent person who always promoted nonviolence. He rejected. He enraged a lot of people on his own side who wanted to be more like violent revolutionaries with the I have a dream speech. That's good.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which he didn't write, but he for.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sure did say he delivered it. And he gives other speeches as well that are looking towards a, you know, a colorblind world. He does in his poor people's campaign, which is his last big campaign before his assassination. Yeah, it goes on a bit there. Yeah. That he. In the poor people's campaign, he's saying he cares about. He explicitly says white poor people are victims as well as black poor people. I'm not going to just racialize it. And I also love to point out his speech at the. When Rosa Parks gets arrested, the Montgomery bus boycott. That's, in my opinion, actually his best speech, where he just tees up where he's just like, you know, if what we're doing here is wrong, then the Constitution of the United States is wrong. If what we are doing is wrong. Jesus of Nazareth was just a utopian dreamer whose life is irrelevant if we are wrong. God Almighty.

[Andrew Colvett]

And his most famous speech, of course, his most famous line is about judging people by the content of their character and not by their race. And I think that's something that everyone agrees with. And part of the issue.

[Blake Neff]

Not everybody.

[Andrew Colvett]

Everyone here. Yeah, everyone here that we agree with. Is that to your point, I was going to say these policies that we've been critiquing fall short of that standard. Thousand percent fall short of that. And that's what gets you the. To the point where there's an entire industry built around DEI that. That exist to uphold those false standards. And so if the standard is going to be. Which we can all agree on.

[Blake Neff]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're going to agree on this colorblind society. Judge people by the content of their character. Okay. That means one standard for everyone in everything.

[Blake Neff]

You know, it's crazy, too, is that, you know. Two thoughts. Not everybody likes that quote from mlk because conservatives grab it and they think it's. They think it's like a whitewashing or a. Because he was very radically progressive towards his death. MLK was.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, we have. Well, we'll get that in the next clip.

[Blake Neff]

And he. And they don't like us.

[Andrew Colvett]

You said say something nice.

[Blake Neff]

No, I know, but they don't like us cherry picking that clip because they're like, he was way more progressive than that. I know he was, but. And so some people don't agree and they hate that we latch onto that clip. And then, you know what's also fascinating is so Martin Luther King has What, like a 99%, 96% approval rating at the time of his death? 75% of the public disapproved of MLK.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's correct.

[Blake Neff]

75%. I just googled it. It's right here. So it's just fascinating too how those things move and change over time. But one of the reasons it's become that way is that they sealed the records on his death. His family locked down that estate and he, you know, we weren't able to discover some of the. Of the not so good stuff. Right. And again, I grew up, you know, believing MLK was, you know, one of our American saints. I really do. Yeah, totally.

[Tyler Boyer]

And that's how they.

[Blake Neff]

And I still feel a genuine gratitude for, like you said, Jim Crow and fighting some of this stuff towards him. But I also love knowing all the truth. I love knowing that he had issues, that he was a flawed man, that he wasn't some, you know, second coming of Jesus. That's important. That's important to know. So, okay, we are going to go into our final radio segment of the show. So don't go anywhere. We'll finish up.

[Jack Posobiec]

So I guess since we're wrapping up the MLK thing, we should probably get the actual. As we mentioned, he was getting more radical near the end of his life. Why would he have such a high disapproval rating before he died? I get into that. Let's play clip 190. The Detroit riots in, I believe, summer of 67, 43 people die in that. That's more than died in any of the riots, you know, in actual rioting stuff, as opposed to just murders, because it was mayhem and such. Dozens of people die there. Dozens of people die in Newark. You have thousands of buildings getting burned down all over the country. And his reaction to it is sort of. It's interesting a few months before is when he delivers the line, a riot is the language of the unheard, which we heard over and over again in 2020, when the new York riots happen.

[Blake Neff]

It goes for like a week.

[Jack Posobiec]

It goes for about a week. And his advisor, the communist guy who was with the Communist Party usa, he's telling King, you've got to say something to condemn this. And King says he doesn't want to do it because he says, I don't want to deliver a condemnation without also condemning the causes that lead to riots.

[Charlie Kirk]

That sounds like blm.

[Blake Neff]

Ooh, yeah. And he.

[Jack Posobiec]

He even quotes. In a speech, he quotes Alexander Dumas. I think that it's like with. There are acts of darkness. Like, we have to blame who created the darkness. And so he says there's all these crimes, but the greater crime is that created, like, by the white society. He says the white society created it. And that's a whole speech.

[Blake Neff]

The final line from Charlie in that clip, I don't Know why? It gave me the chills. He's like, that sounds like blm. Because it does. And, you know, I'm reminded, like, AOC saying this during Florida Palooza and all this stuff that. That, you know, rioting is the cry of oppressed people. Right. And listen, I would. By the way, that is so relevant to what we've seen after what happened to Charlie, because we didn't riot. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't burn.

[Andrew Colvett]

Although Charlie was certainly oppressed.

[Blake Neff]

He was. And he was the voice of a group that has been increasingly villainized. And, you know, it's. He really was their champion in all of our champion. And so that's. You know, but he was everybody's champion. He believed in freedom for all people. He believed in freedom for every race, every American. And he wanted a restoration of the founding ideals because he saw very clearly that the racializing and the grievance politics led to massive division, strife, sectarianism, and he hated it. He didn't want a Juneteenth. He wanted Everybody to love July 4th.

[Tyler Boyer]

Well, at the heart of Charlie Kirk, from the very beginning, since the day I met Charlie, who was, again, extraordinarily young man, the bondage of bad policy was always at the core of Charlie's message, which was that. And that was from the very beginning when we talked about, you know, very often the government spying on you and being in the middle of your business and all the way to, you know, these very intricate topics of, like, we're talking about the Civil Rights act and what the repercussions of it all were. There is. There is a. A tying of hands that happens to the American populace, particularly when bad people take advantage of it. And Charlie talked about that from day one to his last dying breath on this. On this earth. And that's what you have to respect about Charlie Kirk, is that he was always consistent.

[Blake Neff]

Well, folks, if we missed anything in this episode, please send us your emails@freedom charliekirk.com freedom charliekirk.com you know, I just realized that was the shirt we're going.

[Tyler Boyer]

To be continuing tonight on Thought Crime.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

Are we sure we want to go for that?

[Tyler Boyer]

We're going to go for that.

[Jack Posobiec]

All right. All right.

[Tyler Boyer]

We have a lot of topics that people are messaging me about and going.

[Jack Posobiec]

What other things, people?

[Tyler Boyer]

When are you going to get into the other things? And that's going to be tonight, live on Thought.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yes. You know, before we go out, I just want to kind of close by reminding people, you know, the Stuff that gets passed around in the end, what? Some people are just getting bamboozled. But a lot of people are taking this. They know they're taking it out of context. They know they're misinterpreting it. They are deliberately avoiding. Are you saying.

[Andrew Colvett]

Would not be telling the truth about.

[Jack Posobiec]

And they're doing this. They're doing this because they want an excuse. They want an excuse to do what they already want to do, which is to justify what happened to Charlie or to celebrate what happened to Charlie. And so as soon as it happened, instead of being horrified, their thought was, I need to go immediately find a reason why I can celebrate this. I think it's a good thing.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah. And undermine his legacy. And that's not going to happen. And we're not going to let it, because the truth will set you free. And guess what the truth is. The truth is that Charlie was one of the greatest men I've ever known, if not the greatest. He was fundamentally good, decent, true, loyal, generous, and kind. And he was kind to everybody he ever interacted with. And that's just the fact, unless you came at him in bad faith, he was kind and patient with you in debates even. And so I. That's the truth. He was a good Christian man who loved his wife and loved his kids and set a very high bar of behavior and standards for the rest of us. And these are lies. And I hope this was edifying for you all. It was certainly fun for me. Thanks, guys, for joining me. We will see you tomorrow, where Erica Kirk will join us on the show.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is an I Heart podcast.