The Charlie Kirk Show, September 30, 2025

Summary

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The Charlie Kirk Show (Sept 30, 2025)

Podcast: Real America’s Voice – iHeartPodcasts
Episode Date: September 30, 2025

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Main Theme:

This episode is deeply reflective and intense, as the team and guests commemorate the legacy of Charlie Kirk following his tragic assassination. While examining Charlie's impact on American conservative discourse and spiritual revival, the episode pivots between personal remembrances, America’s cultural and institutional decline, border crises, political violence, and the challenges of religious and national preservation. Guest hosts Andrew Colvett, Steve Deace, and Blake Neff, along with border czar Tom Homan, lead the discussion.

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Episode Structure & Key Segments

1. Commemorating Charlie Kirk and His Legacy
   • [08:07]–[16:54]
2. National Decline and Loss of Standards
   • [32:11]–[44:48]
3. Immigration, Border Security, and Cultural Preservation
   • [46:38]–[53:36]
4. Institutional Subversion and Educational Scandals
   • [22:00]–[27:22]
5. Rising Political Violence and the ‘Assassination Culture’
   • [67:27]–[70:18]
6. Borders, Biblical Perspectives, and Policy
   • [47:08]–[53:36]
7. Dispensationalism, American Evangelicalism, and Israel
   • [95:13]–[104:31]
8. Islam, Demographics, and Western Survival
   • [106:00]–[110:39]

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Detailed Topics & Insights

1. Charlie Kirk’s Legacy and Spiritual Impact

[08:07–16:54]

• Tributes to Charlie: Steve Deace and Blake Neff share personal memories, emphasizing Kirk's unique role in reaching younger generations and inspiring redemption and revival.
• Spiritual Paradox: Deace reflects on redemptive suffering and the paradoxical impact of martyrdom in Christianity.
• Charlie’s Realness:

  "He had this great humility. He was always looking for input from other people…He had no embarrassment when he did change his mind."
  — Blake Neff [09:55]

• Call to ‘Go Hard’:

  "Charlie's last words to me, as we went on stage…'Go hard.'"
  — Steve Deace [10:53]

• Cultural Reaction: Movement of young people returning to church, donning suits out of newfound respect after Charlie’s death.

  "[Putting on a suit]...maybe I’m standing on holy ground, that I need to clean up my act a little bit."
  — Steve Deace [16:23]

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2. Cultural Decline and Institutional Degradation

[32:11–44:48]

• Loss of American Standards:
  Discussion of diminished standards and ‘casualness’ in American life, from churches to the military.
• Military Obesity Crisis: Audio of Sec. of War Pete Hegseth confronting “fat generals” and the need to rekindle martial and cultural rigor.

  "How bad did we let go of the rope system wide as a culture that…an illegal alien is the superintendent…and the Secretary of Defense/War has to tell his soldiers to stop being fat?"
  — Steve Deace [36:30]

• Restoring Courage and Power:

  "It took balls. It really did, took courage. And that's the least common of all virtues."
  — Andrew Colvett on Hegseth [41:06]

• Power and Biblical Authority:

  "The purpose of government is to be an avenging angel…to punish evil."
  — Steve Deace [42:07]

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3. Immigration, Borders, and Cultural Replacement

[46:38–53:36; 62:52–84:47]

• Biblical Basis of Borders:
  Charlie Kirk archive clips and guest commentary emphasize scriptural support for nations, assimilation, and boundaries.

  "Immigration without assimilation is invasion…Ruth had to assimilate to enter the covenant."
  — Steve Deace [47:22]

• Cultural Infiltration:

  "You’re watching replacement theory play itself out. They act on their worldview accordingly."
  — Steve Deace [26:22]

• Border Security as Heritage Protection:

  "The point of the wall and border is to maintain our heritage."
  — Steve Deace [50:45]

• Practical Issues:
  Tom Homan laments surges of violence and physical threats to ICE agents. Discussion of sanctuary policies undermining federal law.

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4. Education and Systemic Failure

[22:00–27:22]

• Iowa School Superintendent Scandal:
  Revelations of Ian Roberts, an illegal immigrant, running Des Moines public schools despite a deportation order and alleged voter fraud.

  "They did vetting according to their worldview. They were looking for a DEI candidate, someone to subvert your children…They got exactly what they wanted."
  — Steve Deace [25:26]

• Broader Concerns:

  "Once there is an exposure…the light comes to the darkness…there is an incentive for these blue districts…to cover it up."
  — Andrew Colvett [24:52]

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5. Rising Political Violence & ‘Assassination Culture’

[67:27–70:18]

• Rutgers Research:
  Findings reveal disturbingly high percentages on the left justify violence against political opponents (Elon Musk, Trump).

  "Rutgers University has discovered that 50% of left of center respondents believed it is justified to murder Elon Musk for his opinions, 56% for President Trump."
  — Andrew Colvett [68:43]

• ICE Agents as Targets:
  Tom Homan describes dramatic increases in threats and violence.

  "ICE officers…they’re moms and dads too…attacks against ICE officers is up over a thousand percent."
  — Tom Homan [69:20]

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6. Political Narratives and Portland Protests

[70:18–80:13]

• Portland Violence:
  Analysis of Antifa, governmental denial, federal response, and real-life consequences for both officers and residents.
  • Oregon Gov. Kotek: “There is no insurrection, no threat to national security, and no need for military troops in our major city.” [70:49]
  • Tom Homan counters, recounts firsthand the unsafe conditions in Portland and attacks on federal facilities.
• Media & Political Gaslighting:

  "What do you say to this accusation that President Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he shouldn’t be deploying troops…?"
  — Andrew Colvett "President Trump’s trying to make this country safe again."
  — Tom Homan [79:34]

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7. Dispensationalism, Evangelical Politics, and Israel

[95:13–104:31]

• Dissecting Christian Theology: Explanation of historical vs. modern evangelical views of Israel and the theological roots of Christian Zionism.
• Charlie Kirk’s Letter to Israel:
  Steve Deace affirms “PR malpractice” in Israeli messaging, and the complexity of Christian engagement with Israel.

  "It’s kind of like the Bible says, the wounds of a friend can be trusted. He was respectful in tone…but, it was pretty brutal, actually."
  — Andrew Colvett [105:08]

• Unity Amidst Theological Differences:

  "We’re a generation overdue [for] this debate…In the meantime, Islam hates us all."
  — Steve Deace [104:15]

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8. Demographic and Ideological Challenges from Islam in the West

[106:00–110:39]

• Islamic Influence in Western Cities:
  Personal observations from UK and Europe—Arabic dominance in media, concerns about cultural assimilation.

  "There’s as many television channels in Arabic as in English…so many mosques in London at this point."
  — Blake Neff [106:44]

• Demographic Change as Political Shift:
  Discussion of growing Islamic constituencies in the U.S., political consequences, and the risk to Western liberal values.
• Historical Rebuttal:

  “For 1200 years, there was no nation called Israel, but we still had Islam…Islam hates Jews and Christians alike…so whatever prophetic view we have…will not alter what Islam thinks of Christendom…”
  — Steve Deace [108:30]

• Charlie’s Final Warnings:
  Hosts note Kirk’s increasing focus on the dangers of unchecked Islamic expansion in Western nations.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Charlie’s Mission and Legacy:

  "What just transpired is we had the largest proclamation of the gospel in terms of volume of ears and eyes reached in the history of our species."
  — Steve Deace [13:20]

• On leadership and courage:

  "That took balls. It really did took courage. And that's the least common of all the virtues."
  — Andrew Colvett [41:06]

• On the failure of institutions:

  "This is exactly why they hired him…to do a better and more efficient job of turning your children into gay race communists."
  — Steve Deace on Ian Roberts [25:26]

• On the Left and political violence:

  "50% thought it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump."
  — Andrew Colvett [68:43]

• On assimilation and heritage:

  "Sojourner and squatter are not the same thing. What you are being sold is squatters rights to illegal aliens, and no you don’t."
  — Steve Deace [50:45]

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Memorable Moments

• Joint Reflection:
  Emotional tribute as Tom Homan describes his friendship with Charlie, moving the usually stoic border czar to tears. [63:10–66:41]
• Audience Engagement:
  Multiple references to listener emails about standards, suits, and the example Charlie set for young people. [32:11]
• Philosophical Discussion:
  Deep dive into dispensational theology and its influence on US-Israel relations. [95:13–104:31]
• Firsthand Accounts:
  Border and Antifa chaos described vividly by Tom Homan, including direct attacks on ICE facilities and personal risks faced by agents. [71:32–82:03]

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Conclusion & Closing Notes

The episode serves both as a memorial for Charlie Kirk and a rallying cry for American conservatives to exhibit courage, reclaim cultural standards, and refuse to concede ground to ideological adversaries. The hosts not only highlight the urgency of border security and national identity but frame these as struggles with spiritual, historical, and civilizational gravity. The conversation closes with sober warnings about demographic change, the rise of political and religious antagonism (especially from Islamism), and a call to take up Kirk’s mantle: to confront evil, wield power responsibly, and go hard for faith, truth, and country.

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Connect with Guests

• Steve Deace: X (Twitter): @SteveDeaceShow
• Tom Homan: Join ICE Opportunities: ice.gov

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This summary captures all substantial topics and perspectives in the episode, providing both context and direct speaker attributions, in the conversational, earnest tone of the hosts.

Transcript

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The Charlie Kirk show starts now.

[Steve Deace]

Hello, Oregon Governor Koch here. Contrary to President Trump's latest social media posts, Portland is not war ravaged.

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There's no insurance, there's no threat to.

[Steve Deace]

National security and there's no need for military troops.

[Andrew Colvett]

And meanwhile in Portland, Antifa is gearing up for a massive protest tonight at.

[Steve Deace]

The ice facility there.

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A flyer is circulating online urging people.

[Andrew Colvett]

To rally against President Trump's order that deploys troops to the city to protect ice facilities against violent rioters.

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If President Trump came to Portland today, what he would find is people riding their bikes, playing sports, enjoying the sunshine, buying groceries or produce from a farmer's market.

[Steve Deace]

As the governor had noted, there is no insurrection, there is no threat to national security, and there is no need for military troops in our major city. Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies.

[Andrew Colvett]

They obviously don't have a job. How do you guys pay rent? Talked about how this has been a real problem, but you just, when you see the numbers, it really just, it's galling, Frankly. More than 1000% increase according to DHS sources. And in case you're wondering, is this isolated. Let me just share what antifa is.

[Steve Deace]

Said to be doing.

[Andrew Colvett]

We've got arrest. We've got a map here, and it's everywhere. Moments ago, the Illinois National Guard received word that the Department of Homeland Security has sent a memo to the Department of War seeking the deployment of 100 military troops to Illinois, claiming a need for the protection of ICE personnel and facilities. What I have been warning of is now being realized. One thing is clear. None of what Trump is doing is making Illinois safer.

[Tom Homan]

Here's what the Department of Homeland Security has done.

[Andrew Colvett]

The Department of Homeland Security put out a hit list directed at Democratic members of Congress, Democratic governors, and Democratic.

[Terence Bates]

It's a hit list saying to crazies all across the country, target these people.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so, no, we're not going to.

[Terence Bates]

Be lectured by the Department of Homeland Security.

[Andrew Colvett]

Take your hit list down. All of this has been aimed at causing chaos and mayhem in the hopes.

[Terence Bates]

Of creating a pretext to deploy military.

[Andrew Colvett]

Troops against Chicago and Broadview and other suburbs, just as the President is doing right now in Oregon.

[Terence Bates]

We see time and time again that the people that you are apprehending and.

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Kidnapping and interrogating and terrorizing are hardworking.

[Terence Bates]

People that make Chicago and Illinois a.

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Better place for everyone.

[Andrew Colvett]

Now, ICE tells Fox News it was.

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On Friday when they arrested and detained.

[Andrew Colvett]

Dr. Ian Roberts, superintendent for Des Moines Public Schools. They say he's an illegal immigrant from.

[Steve Deace]

Guyana who was given a final order of removal in May of 2024. When federal agents tried to take Roberts.

[Andrew Colvett]

Into custody on a fugitive warrant last.

[Steve Deace]

Week, they claim he initially sped away.

[Andrew Colvett]

Authorities later found Roberts in a wooded area. DHS says they found a handgun, a.

[Steve Deace]

Knife, and $3,000 in cash inside his vehicle.

[Andrew Colvett]

What does this say about the vetting process?

[Steve Deace]

You know, these teachers, they hired this guy, they wanted to be so politically correct. They were so proud. They had this guy from Guyana as their superintendent, and they never even checked his background.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, I still think what he's doing now is extremely impressive.

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He's.

[Steve Deace]

He is.

[Andrew Colvett]

What he's doing now is very difficult to do, which he is getting liberals to argue in favor of gun rights. And the last thing I want to.

[Steve Deace]

Say, while I have all y', all, just pension.

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It's the police, cpd, the fop, Ibrah, Dante Serb. Your getting fired without a pension.

[Andrew Colvett]

Police and everybody with them.

[Steve Deace]

These are paid agitators. They get paid money by radical left groups.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not radical right groups, radical left group. And they get paid a lot of money.

[Steve Deace]

And when we go there, if we.

[Andrew Colvett]

Go to Portland, we're gonna wipe them out.

[Steve Deace]

They're gonna be gone and they're gonna be gone.

[Andrew Colvett]

They won't even stand the fight. What they've done to that place is just. It's like.

[Steve Deace]

It's like living in hell.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk show. Buckle up. Here we go. All right. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show. I am Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this fine show. And there, of course, is the empty chair of our fallen comrade and our dear friend and brother, Charlie. And here to help honor his legacy is one of his dear friends, Steve Dase. And we're so honored to have you. We were texting back and forth and you were like, I'm going to move heaven and earth to get here to do this. And we're just so honored to have you. I know Charlie loved you and trusted you. So welcome, my friend.

[Steve Deace]

I appreciate it. It is truly an honor. And I think the appropriate measure of leaving his chair empty because it just signifies A VO that just cannot possibly be filled. And stop by the memorial on the way in and. But the war and the battle still has to go on, and it's up to the rest of us now to all do our part to pick up the pieces and fill the void that his loss leaves.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, well said. And I mean, Blake knows there was few very trusted voices in the sort of inner circle that he would hit up for, you know, advice. What you're. Where are you at on this? And Steve was one of them. And I know that we got a front row seat to that. And so people. People have asked me. It's like, well, who are you inviting in? And I'm like, well, the people Charlie loved, you know, and that's been very clear. And I know that, Blake, if you want to chime in, you. You were not on the show today. So I want to make sure we. Or yesterday. So I want to make sure you're.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, no, no, it's. Charlie had a. We talked about, you know, the other day, how Charlie had this great humility. He was always looking for input from other people. He was always willing to change his mind. He had no embarrassment when he did change his mind. And so he. He cast a wide net.

[Andrew Colvett]

Absolutely. You know, it's funny because, you know, I mean, I think this is fair to say. I hope I'm not putting. We didn't even talk about that. I was gonna bring this up, but, you know, during the primary, we sort of had different POVs on stuff, but it was like it never mattered to Charlie. And Charlie was like, well, listen, I'm on this. I'm kind of seeing this way. We love you. And you guys, I mean, just had a great synergy like that.

[Steve Deace]

I mean, he texted me right as soon as it was over, and he said, listen, don't quit. We need you. You know, stay in the game, Stay in the fight. We're going to need you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Tell me about your shirt.

[Steve Deace]

Oh, so this shirt, they can't see.

[Andrew Colvett]

It from the stream. It says go hard.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah. So Charlie was about 6 inches taller than me and everybody else, for that matter. We were. We did a freedom night at his church in June. And it's interesting because I had a whole bunch of media call me after his martyrdom because it just got released on social media the day before. And so I think a lot of media thought we had just done this, and we had actually done it a couple of months ago. And just as we were getting introduced to go out on stage, he leaned down into My ear. And he said, go hard. And Sloan at tpusa, Faith, I texted him when I started getting all these media requests. I'm like, hey, what's appropriate? What do you think, you know, should do? I don't want to overstep my bounds at all. And Sloan's like, well, just do what he whispered in your ear that night. Go hard. And I just thought, that is a phenomenal, you know, memory. And I had the wife go out and print up a shirt for me. I love it, so that I could remember it. And, you know, that's what I've been trying to do ever since, is to honor his memory, is just to go hard. And I think it's a reminder. And if you see, you know, we've lost Vodi Bauckham, we've lost Dr. James Dobson. So many spiritual giants this year, and Charlie is obviously a titan among them. And it's another reminder that none of us knows for sure, you know, when that is. It's our time to go. And that's, I think, what we have to do to make sure we use the time we have to be good stewards to redeem the time, as the word says. And that's to go hard. But it doesn't just mean go hard for truth, Andrew. It means go hard for loving people, Go hard for grace, go hard for mercy just in general, for the kingdom. Go hard.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Amen. And so we've got a lot of breaking news stuff to cover on this show, and we're going to do that. And also we have Borders r. Tom Homan. He's going to be joining us in the second hour in studio, which is phenomenal. But I have to start here, Steve, because you. I am so insulated in some ways, like our days are packed. From the time I wake up to the time I go to bed. We're just busy, busy, busy. There's so much to work out, so many details, so many phone calls, so many relationships. You need to keep up from the outside looking in. What has this meant, the losing Charlie? What does this mean to the country? What does this mean to the. To the movement? Give me your perspective on what has just transpired.

[Steve Deace]

What just transpired is we had the. The largest proclamation of the gospel in terms of volume of ears and eyes reached in the history of our species. And what just transpired is even the. The providential history that I knew Charlie was trying to push. Push us back to as a country. Call us back to as a country. And you always have a hit. You always have a tendency to look back on the past and kind of view it and with nostalgia, as if those people somehow tiptoe between the raindrops and didn't struggle with their own sinfulness and manifestations therein that we do today. And that's not necessarily true, but those are traditions that obviously we are coasting on the fumes of in our time now. And I think even during the most providential times in our nation's history, we have not seen high ranking figures, including the president and the vice president and cabinet officials stand up in front of the world and proclaim the gospel as boldly as what happened at the memorial service here a week or so ago. I mean, it's what you're really watching. I think if it's not a revival, Andrew, if we're not watching revival, I. I think the Holy Spirit is at least testing us to see if we're ready for it. And, you know, a couple years ago, I was invited to a. A small gathering of Christian leaders around the country in Dallas, Texas. And it was essentially, hey, where are we as a country, as a culture? Where are we headed? And at the end, one of the eldest guys, there was like a scene out of the Constitutional Convention where Ben Franklin gets up there and says, we have to stop and break for prayer as the elder statesman, because we all said, we need revival, we need revival, we need revival. And the elder statesman gets up there and says, are you guys sure you know what you're asking of God? Because we're too comfortable and complacent right now for revival. We won't receive it if he sends it. So if you guys really want God to send revival, then you're asking him to turn up the heat of persecution and suffering to condition us for what it will take for us to truly turn to Him. And I think. I think Charlie's martyrdom was at the very first, you know, metaphorically, a shot across the bow of turning up that heat. And the amount of people. I mean, I listened to yesterday's show in its entirety and that opening montage you guys played young people all over the country. I haven't been to church in ages, never been to church, never picked up a Bible. I'm going now, right? And. And that is something that Christianity produces. The paradoxical nature of Christianity, it's called redemptive suffering. And no other worldview presents it in the world. The world's worldview says to avoid suffering and be utilitarian. And the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few are the One. Right. Star Trek.

[Andrew Colvett]

Right.

[Steve Deace]

But Christianity actually says that The Lord leaves 99 behind to find the one lost sheep. And Charlie's life, I think, embodied that. And that's why you saw so many people that stood up and testified it out of that memorial.

[Andrew Colvett]

I have a question for you, actually. Why? You know, we saw one of those videos. A guy was like, I put on my suit and I'm going to church. And, you know, there was this other story out of Lipscomb Academy where all these high schoolers put on suit jackets and ties to honor. I haven't quite put my finger on what that is, but. What do you think that is?

[Steve Deace]

I think it's this idea that maybe I'm standing on holy ground, that I need to clean up my act a little bit. And. And listen, I'm a. It's casual Friday at the Steve Day show. Every single day. My audience doesn't see me in a sport coat.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like.

[Steve Deace]

Like, you wear those.

[Andrew Colvett]

You know, I know you actually talked about this. You're like, I'm putting on a jacket for Charlie.

[Steve Deace]

I did it for Charlie.

[Andrew Colvett]

I didn't actually tie that together. But you're right, you did the same.

[Steve Deace]

And. And I think it's. It's recognition that I need to. I need to clean up my act a little bit. I need to raise the standard, and Charlie raised that standard, and. And now I am challenged to meet that standard now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I just. I think it's a really beautiful thing. I mean, you know, you look back at these videos and movies from the 1950s or the 40s, everybody's always dressed.

[Steve Deace]

Even at, like, baseball games and sporting events.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would. They would. They had class and they had dignity, and. And it's interesting, this impulse that I'm seeing from, you know, they could be. They could be working the oil fields. They could be, you know, like this guy, you could tell, he's like, I've never even worn a suit before, but I put it on. I'm going to church. I just think it's an interesting impulse because there is this thing within the culture. We've gotten so lazy, lethargic, we've gotten so casual. And there's a part of that, like, listen, there's a time and a place, but, you know, the fact that people feel called higher, I think is a really beautiful thing. I'm just going to go to one of our partners now, Steve, because they had been so gracious with us and so patient, and I mentioned yesterday we're trying to get back to some regular order. So I just want to give a shout out to our media partners, our network partners that have been patient with this show and patient as we've gotten back into the swing of talking about some of our partners that make this show work and we want to honor them. Here we go. This is Done With Debt. When you're buried in credit card and loan debt, it's human nature to put it off and say I'm going to deal with that later if that's you. Here is a hidden fact that debt strategy experts at Done With Debt shared with me. They discovered a little known strategy that works in your favor to dramatically reduce or even erase your debt altogether. They aggressively engage everyone you owe money to this fall. So right now, and here's why, they know which lenders and credit card companies are doing year end accounting and need to cut deals. They even know which ones have year end audits and need to get your debt off their books. That means you need to get started with Done With Debt now. So go to donewithdebt.com donewithdebt.com tell them the Charlie Kirk show sent you more with Steve Dase and Blake Neff when we get back. Stop settling for weak sound. It's time to level up your game and bring the boom. Hit the town with the ultra durable LG X Boom portable speaker and enjoy vibrant sound wherever you go. Elevate your listening experience to new heights because let's be real, your music deserves it. The future of sound is now with LG XBoom and for a limited time save 25% at LG.com with code fall25 bring the boom XBoom.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Tom Homan]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to Charlie Kirk Show. Steve, you know, is it Dease or Dace?

[Steve Deace]

You know, the family actually does not know. So I was told it was Dace. The family, some of them would say it was Dece. So I just think Dace sounds better.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's pretty cool.

[Steve Deace]

It does. And plus I loved Ace Freely was my favorite KISS member as a kid. My mom used to put the makeup on me and stuff.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so there. But I, but I mean, I watched Happy Gilmore. So it's fine. I know. So I gotta tell you, so you're an Iowa guy and this story is shocking the country. It's not the most breaking news happened a couple days ago. But this Ian Roberts character out of Iowa. So he's an illegal immigrant, an illegal.

[Steve Deace]

Alien, and he's had a deportation order since last year.

[Andrew Colvett]

So Ian Roberts, this is shocking because it's Iowa.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah. And so he's making almost 300k a year as the superintendent of Des Moines schools. And Jackie Norris is just, this is what's so weird about Iowa. Because of the caucuses, we get all, yes, we get all these influxes of national influences into our state all the time. And so Michelle Obama's former chief of staff is the is the head of the Des Moines school District. And just that would not happen in a state of our size, in any other state. But because of Iowa, there's just these political headwinds there. All right. And so they hired this guy who's had a deportation order from them. What do you have to do to have a deportation order from the Biden administration, by the way? What do you think you have to do to get one of those?

[Andrew Colvett]

So didn't he have it. He had, like, a. He had a weapons charge.

[Steve Deace]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

There's so many things that make this bad, so, like, more stuff is coming out over time. So, for example, he originally got a student visa in Maryland, and that expired, didn't leave.

[Steve Deace]

Of course, he's registered. He registered to vote.

[Andrew Colvett]

Maryland registered to vote. These overstays drive me absolutely mad.

[Blake Neff]

Certified that he was a citizen to get this job in Iowa for which he presented, apparently, a Social Security card and form testifying identity theft.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah.

[Blake Neff]

Or something. Yeah. He had in. He was in possession of a loaded handgun. That's illegal to possess if you're not legally in the country at all. Let's see what else.

[Steve Deace]

When they busted a racial weapon on.

[Blake Neff]

Him, his voter registration remained active even though he was moving to other states. But wait, I mean, active.

[Andrew Colvett]

Wait, hold on. Blake and Steve, I was told that illegals don't.

[Steve Deace]

You've been reliably informed. This doesn't happen.

[Blake Neff]

The state Board of Elections in Maryland is obstructing efforts by the Department of Justice to, like, investigate this because of, like, the sanctuary state nonsense.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's showing how corrupt and ridiculous it's a complete system is.

[Blake Neff]

We actually basically have to say blue states especially, are in, like, a sustained, systematic effort to engage in, like, immigration fraud and engage in voter fraud.

[Steve Deace]

Yes.

[Blake Neff]

And, like, the most rational thing you can do at this point is basically say blue state records are, like, not valid for things. Their driver's license are not valid. Driver's license.

[Andrew Colvett]

Here's what this is exposing. What you're talking about is there. That. That once there is an exposure, the light comes to the darkness. There is a. An incentive for these blue districts and municipalities, blue states, to then cover it up and not expose it. So. So not only are you contributing to the problem, you're insisting that it. That it continued.

[Steve Deace]

And I've heard a lot of people say, well, how could this have happened? How did he pass any kind of screening? You have to understand. And this kind of ties, in a way, with what Pete Hegseth announced this morning. Right. We're going to actually do war here now. We're going to have warriors now.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes.

[Steve Deace]

And not social engineering. And you have to understand, they did do vetting and they did do background. It's just there's a. You know, I like to say on my show, Andrew, that worldview is destiny and no one can rise above their own worldview. They did vetting according to their worldview. They were looking for a DEI candidate. They were looking for someone that would subvert American culture. They were looking for someone that would subvert your children and, and help them to do a better and more efficient job of turning your children into gay race communists. And that's exactly why they hired him. They. They did a thorough vetting. They're not. This is. They got exactly what they wanted to do. Just their vetting standard would be different. The worldview that they're operating with is different than ours. So things like, well, are you actually a citizen? That's just a minor technicality. Especially because the. They use the schools, for example, to replace your way of life, to hijack your culture. This is abs. You're watching replacement theory play itself out. They act on their worldview accordingly.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's a conspiracy.

[Steve Deace]

Except for when it's not. And it actually.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Except for when the illegals are in charge of our school districts.

[Steve Deace]

Correct.

[Andrew Colvett]

So not only do you have woke commies that have insinuated themselves basically complete saturation within our school system.

[Steve Deace]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Now you have illegal immigrants that are getting paid, as the kids say today.

[Steve Deace]

Andrew, it's not, it's. It's not a bug. It's a feature.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a feature.

[Steve Deace]

This worked exactly as it was intended.

[Andrew Colvett]

And they just didn't think they would get caught 1,000%. And here's, here's the question, Steve. Do we abandon the institution and build our own, or do we try and re the long march back through the institutions? What is, what is your prescription?

[Steve Deace]

I think first what we have to agree to do is that we will wield the power that we actually have. I don't think we've even earned the right to answer that question yet.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's fair.

[Steve Deace]

I think we have to. And I think like the government shutdown that's happening right now or may occur, are we going to actually use the power that the people elected us and gave us? Because I think we don't decide that. Then that other question becomes moot.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, no, I mean, there was this graph. I actually retweeted it as well, but it was talking about the share of conservatives or registered Republicans at these elite universities. And I think at Harvard it's like, you know, 1%. I think the best, surprisingly, was UCLA at like 11%. And the guy, quote, tweeted, he said, if we don't fix this, we can fix nothing. We'll be right back with Steve Dace. Don't go anywhere. Stop settling for weak sound. It's time to level up your game and bring the boom. Hit the town with the ultra durable LG X Boom portable speaker and enjoy vibrant sound wherever you go. Elevate your listening experience to new heights because let's be real, your music deserves it. The future of sound is now with LG XBoom and for a limited time, save [e-mail] with code fall25. Bring the boom XBoom.

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You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. All right. History, economics, the great works of literature. Did you study these things in school? Probably not. Or even if you did, maybe it's time for a refresher course. Hillsdale College. Charlie's absolute favorite college. The only college he would talk about in glowing terms. And man, did he love Hillsdale. And he loved Larry Arnold and honored that they are with us and that they've just been so generous and gracious. Well, they are offering their more than 40 free online courses, including their newest course on totalitarian novels. In this free eight lecture course, you'll learn from Hillsdale College president Larry Arne as he goes in depth on four novels. 1984, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon, and that Hideous Strength. And so even though these novels were written in the 1930s and 40s, they're highly relevant today, maybe even more important than ever today. And they show us importantly that faith, family and friends in this country are worth fighting for, just as Charlie believed. So maybe you read these books A long time ago in school. Maybe you've heard others talk about them and they seem a little intimidating. Let Hillsdale College help make them the most of them for you. So go right now. Charlieforhillsdale.com to enroll. That's Charlie for Hillsdale. C H A R L I e for hillsdale.com. got an email here from one of the listeners. She said, hi all to Andrew's question regarding suits. Charlie elevated every standard by his words, his actions, his disciplines, choice of music he plays for his children. Classical. Not sure about Jolene. A little wink face, his incisiveness. Incisiveness and more. I'm older, but I remember when pastors wore suits and had the Christian and American flags up by the podium. And then we wanted to appeal to the world outside the church doors. Went from suits to Hawaiian shirts. I wonder if that casual dress reflected a more casual approach to biblical truths. Thank you, precious people. Thank you. And it doesn't have a name there, so we'll leave it. But yeah, I mean, I think that's right. I think when you up the game, you know, a lot of people want to follow suit. Steve.

[Steve Deace]

I chuckled at the reference to Hawaiian shirts because I go off on this all the time. The pastoral uniform in today's churches. Hawaiian shirts even in January. Although I guess in Arizona you can wear those, but not where I live. Sweater vests, year round pleated khakis. Right. Nicer than God. The graduates of the seminary of the Pensian sisters of perpetually furrowed brows. Okay. That kind of stuff. There's a third tablet the Lord forgot to give Moses at Sinai. He forgot it. It just has one commandment on there. Thou must be nice in all things, no matter what. Right. That kind of stuff has just plagued the American church institutions in general.

[Andrew Colvett]

I see this email from this listener and I'm like, you know, we've just seen this degradation of all the institutions, a lack of standards across the board. Which ties in to what Pete Hegseth did this morning, which I just, you know, I chuckled at it because I don't want to get the clip here, but the. Charlie raged against what Blake. Fat generals.

[Blake Neff]

He always, he would always go off on Millie because Millie was like, yeah, yeah, like the, you know, big.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, yeah, wide man. He's really into white rage or something.

[Blake Neff]

Yeah, yeah, you just be like, why don't you just like, put the, put the donuts down, tubby, and like, look a little trim.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well, so let's, let's give a little heg. Seth love here. Play cut 44.

[Steve Deace]

Frankly, it's tiring to look out at.

[Andrew Colvett]

Combat formations or really any formation and see fat troops. Likewise, it's completely unacceptable to see fat.

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[Andrew Colvett]

The Pentagon and leading commands around the country and the world. It's a bad look. It is bad. And it's not who we are. You know, I have this weird sneaking suspicion, Steve, that, you know, Charlie and Pete were very close and Charlie would rail against this stuff. I'm pretty sure he would tell Pete about this stuff. Like, part of me is just like very aware that Pete is channeling a little bit of the Charlie Kirk like, gumption, the get after it spirit.

[Steve Deace]

So this one's kind of personal to me on two fronts. One, I have fought a battle of the bulge in my own personal life for the last decade.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Steve Deace]

I appreciate it. We're making progress. But I would still be probably what Pete would consider a fat general. All right, but, but I'm not a general, so. He's right. The generals cannot be fat. And then my son in law shout out to my daughter Anna and her husband Steve, he's a soldier. And so, you know, he's gone through all of the, the recent fitness standards and things of that nature and upping your game where that's concerned and the various incentives therein. And I, and I just. You have to ask yourself what every previous generation of Americans, regardless of how they voted, regardless of how they voted, what would every previous generations of Americans until now have said to the idea that we literally have to stop the military from getting fat? What would they think we just like, how bad did we let go of the rope system wide as a culture that, that you have an illegal alien is the superintendent of the largest school district in one of one of America's states and the Secretary of Defense slash war has to tell his, his soldiers to stop being fat. And I think that that and Charlie spoke a lot to this with the young men. I think this is where the anger and frustration of the, of the Zoomer generation is coming in. They're looking at us, their parents and grandparents, and saying, what were you guys doing for the last generation that you left us this big giant mess? How did you guys just systemically get so comfortable and so complacent that every single institution is degraded, if not weaponized against me before I ever step into full adulthood here and try to become a husband, father, business owner and productive American?

[Andrew Colvett]

I think that's so, I think that's so well said because you Know, Charlie was a big believer that this is the greatest country in the history of the world. And we say that proudly. We believe it. I believe that America is providential. I believe God has his hand on our country. And yet, and yet, if you look at just the dmv, if you look at the post office, I mean, Blake loves to rail against shipbuilding. We can't make things anymore.

[Steve Deace]

We can't make anything.

[Andrew Colvett]

Like, how did we get here?

[Blake Neff]

He's given this speech about our generals being fat. But let's say we had to be in a conflict with China, like, a real conflict with China. And, like, it would just be over. They can out. They can make drones better than US at probably 50 to 1. They can make ships better than US 200 to 1. They can make more planes. They can make more shell. They can make more of everything.

[Steve Deace]

75% of our antibiotic supply is made by host.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Complete. Well, I mean, listen, I do think that the American spirit, just like in World War II, would rise and we would find ways around this stuff. We would.

[Blake Neff]

But we didn't win World War II with spirit. We won World War II with. We could make 200 more times.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm just saying, I like, you know, but we ramped up very quickly. We would be forced to ramp up very quickly again. And I, and I do believe, you know, we would.

[Steve Deace]

But, Andrew, this is worldview as destiny again. The military we had before is exactly what the left and the spirit of the age wanted. That, that this wasn't an accident. They weren't aware that they were making us weaker. It was a managed decline. They were doing this on purpose. And, and, you know, and I think we need to come to grips with that on our side, because if we don't come to grips with it, then we won't. That question you asked me a while ago. We won't. We'll say, we'll say stuff like, well, if we do this to them, then they'll do this to us when they have power. They're already doing everything to us.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly right.

[Steve Deace]

They're already doing everything to us. So to me, either we will use the power vested in us by the voters in order to punish evil, or evil will continue.

[Andrew Colvett]

Let's talk about this more, because I, I, I, you know, sent a note to Pete. I have no idea if you'll see it, but I just said, great job. That took balls. It really did took courage. And that's the least common of all the virtues. And that's what it's really going to take is that our leaders getting courage to do the hard things because you know that the New York Times and Taha Nisi Coates and Nikole Hannah Jones are going to write nasty little grams about you in the New York Times and Joe Scarborough is going to call you a fascist or whoever's going to do what it takes guts to look these demons in the eye. I'm not necessarily calling them demons, but there are real demons and they, they, they heal insults and, and Charlie was, I mean amazing at basically like laughing off the, the attacks. How do we use power? What is the so we, this is something that we have talked about a lot on this show is that we must use power. Right wing wet revolution. Charlie's book was all about. I'm. It was actually a counter revolutionary book by the way. It was we don't want blood in the streets. We want, we want to restore the idea of the founders. We want to store the Constitution. And the idea is, is that we have to use power to restore this and we can't be afraid of it.

[Steve Deace]

So what is blocking us, what's blocking us is twofold. Number one, we've had a passive church for a generation.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree.

[Steve Deace]

That has watered down masculinity, the idea of initiative, power, that complacency was the highest virtue. Being nice was the highest virtue. So we haven't been properly catechized into what this, what meekness means. When Jesus says the meek shall inherit the earth, what does it mean? Meekness is power under control. That's what it means. We but a lot of our men, whether it's absent minded fathers, absent minded masculinity in the pulpit have not been discipled into what it means to use power under control. And then the other problem that we have is with the, the so called phenomenon of the UNIT party. And this is what movements that like what TPUSA is a part of what Trump has done to break up this idea. Well, you know I, all the names you just mentioned, I think everyone, when the sound of my voice should scream at your radio or at your screen right now. Why does anybody I'm voting for give a rip what any of those names think about them?

[Andrew Colvett]

Totally.

[Steve Deace]

But here's the thing. All those names you mentioned, they are very relevant. Unfortunately, a lot of the people we've been voting for for a long time do care more about what those people say about them than what audiences like this says about them. And, and those two things are what we are up against. And so when we get elected, when we have power. Listen, we have a code, right? We have to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. But there's another code also that says in Romans 13 that the purpose of government is to be an avenging angel, to bring the sword of righteousness against evil, to punish evil. The only reason almighty God allows sinful human beings to govern themselves on any level or have governments at all is to keep the moral order, to punish evil. And we have to do that. And I think everything. The whole rules of engagement and traditions and decorums, throw all of that out. All right? And what. Here's the new rule. Here are the new rules of engagement that I'm going to suggest to your audience everything other than explicitly what the word of God says we cannot do to win. We're going to do everything else. That's it. Those are the new rules of engagement. All right? So we're not going to bear false witness. We're not. We're not going to break the Ten Commandments, all right? We're not going to set up our own idolatries to mimic theirs. We'll never be as good at it as they are anyway. Okay, all right? But anything short of what the word of God says we cannot do, we're good to do everything else. And I want your audience to also know we're not even close to that line yet. We're not even close to crossing that line yet. And it's because of soft churches that a lot of. A lot of guys think, well, if I hurt somebody's feelings, all right, If. If I go to the school board meeting and offend them and they scream at me and throw me out, I mean, did I do something wrong? No, that the exact opposite is true. You did something very, very right. So go back again and make them throw you out again. And go back again and again and again and again. And I think this is where our rules of engagement guys have to dramatically change. And Charlie understood that. And the reason why he had conviction in the face of the critics you're talking about was his worldview. He understood ultimately to whom he belonged. He understood ultimately what the source of truth was. He understood ultimately what the source of justice was. And so he didn't view their. Their opinions of him as something to be concerned about, because he was actually opposing their worldview, not trying to appease it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, there's that great clip of Charlie. I think we're played it yesterday from. Gosh, all the days blur into one lately. But, yeah. Where he. He just knew. He was asked, what is your, what is your role here? He's like, my role is to confront evil and proclaim the truth.

[Steve Deace]

And when Jesus said, for this reason, I came into the world to testify to the truth.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, absolutely. And so it's, you know, you look at Pete Hegseth, you look at Annapolina Luna, you look at, there's, there's people that stand out for their courage to speak up and be loud and vocal. And we're going to need more of that. And one of the legacies I hope that Charlie ends up leaving is that we have a reformed and robust conservative movement with leaders that are not afraid.

[Steve Deace]

Amen.

[Andrew Colvett]

To speak truth and power.

[Steve Deace]

Amen.

[Andrew Colvett]

And to make the demons shudder in high places. We'll be right back. More with Steve Dase. Stop settling for weak sound. It's time to level up your game and bring the boom. Hit the town with the ultra durable LG X Boom portable speaker and enjoy vibrant sound wherever you go. Elevate your listening experience to new heights because let's be real, your music deserves it. The future of sound is now with LG XBoom. And for a limited time, save [e-mail] with code fall25. Bring the boom XBoom.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. The bumper. The next great awakening is here. You know, you just kind of notice things after the fact sometimes. And man, do we, do we notice that. So, Steve, we've got Tom home. We just have a quick segment here with our real America's voice audience. We've got Tom home and borders are coming on next. Let's, let's start setting the table for Borders, Boundaries. This was something Charlie liked to talk about a lot.

[Blake Neff]

He got so mad at all the pastors who are just like, well, the Bible says you have to love other people. So really that means like you just have to have an open border, man.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, we just love the aliens. So set the table for us. You got about a minute, minute and 20 seconds here. Does the Bible believe in borders?

[Steve Deace]

100%. And there's a reason the founders look so much to the Old Testament because they thought, well, God established himself a nation once, so let's look for precedent on what, you know, he wants. What, what are the laws of nature and nature is God. Boundaries were strictly enforced in Old Testament Israel. You had to assimilate. You know, Charlie was fond of saying that immigration without assimilation is invasion. You had to assimilate, for example, the book of Ruth, a book that's often quoted at weddings like my own. But what happens is Ruth is a moabitis, so she's not allowed into the assembly of God. She has to convert. And what does she say? That's where that verse we say at our weddings, your people be my people, your God will be my God. She has to convert. She has to assimilate into the religion of Israel and follow Jehovah and leave behind her old way of life in order to be put in and grafted into that covenant. And so those were the models of assimilation that we displayed and showed and followed for two and a half centuries in America until this last generation.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I think that's really important. We're going to play some clips from Charlie. We're out of time here, but I'm going to play a couple of Charlie talking about Borders because it was actually one of his most passionate issues. Because it was, to your point, Blake, it was one of the most often bastardized parts of scripture by your just run of the mill pastors or by especially mainline or just non religious people.

[Blake Neff]

Doing that like, well, the Bible says you have to let me do everything I want.

[Andrew Colvett]

Be gracious to the alien in your land. Yeah, but it doesn't say let 10 million of them flood your borders. That's called a, that's called an invasion, folks. We will welcome back national radio in just one second. We'll be right back. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm producer Andrew, joined by producer Blake and the great Steve Dase, one of Charlie's dear friends and confidants and just a friend of Turning Point. And we're just honored to have you, my friend. So we're talking about borders and are they biblical? And I'm going to play a little cut from Charlie here. There's so many good. I can't even pick which one. Blake, you pick which one.

[Blake Neff]

Let's just start with 59, please.

[Andrew Colvett]

59. First, we must start and acknowledge there's plenty of scriptures that say you should love the foreigner because you were once strangers in Egypt. Leviticus 19. I mean, there's plenty of scriptures that say that. There's also equal, equal amount of scriptures that warn you about how foreigners can become your masters. In the end of Deuteronomy, Moses explicitly says that in his farewell address.

[Blake Neff]

We can continue that there. Let's follow up with 63, the warning.

[Andrew Colvett]

In the later parts of Deuteronomy, where Moses is giving his farewell address and he warns the people of Israel before they enter the land of milk and honey. Hey, be careful of foreigners in the land because they will soon be your masters if you have too many of them, if they multiply. It's a very interesting teaching.

[Steve Deace]

Yes, it is. Right.

[Blake Neff]

And that cautionary tale is not usually.

[Andrew Colvett]

Talked about in churches. Usually it's all about open borders and all this compassion. Yeah. Not the equally caution that Moses gave to the chosen people before going into Israel. Steve, your reaction? Because we're about to have Tom Homan. Borders are. He's going to be in the studio. We're so honored to have him, too. And we're going to be talking about all of this stuff going on with ice, this degradation of the respect for the rule of law, the borders. The Bible is very clear on borders. Nationality and the drawing out of righteous lines that delineate nations.

[Steve Deace]

And I think we have to explain why. It's the maintaining of a heritage. So as the Second Temple period begins and Zerubbabel goes back to rebuild the temple, and Nehemiah and Ezra are now helping to rebuild the walls and dedicate the temple. Nehemiah finds out that they've gone back to allowing foreigners into the covenant, into the temple. They're doing all the same mistakes they did before, which is what led them to go down in the valley of Ben Hinnand, or Topeth, which is a Hebrew word for hell, and throw their babies into the fire to Moloch. All right. And so how does Nehemiah respond? Mass deportations. Nehemiah, mass deportations. You're doing it all over again. We're making all the same mistakes. Again. The point of the wall and the border is to maintain our heritage. So mass deportations. And I think it's very Important for people to understand. Sojourner and squatter are not the same thing. And often they get conflated. And what you're being sold is that you have to give squatters rights to illegal aliens. And no you don't. You have every right biblically to protect your heritage, particularly one that is based in the providential nature such as ours. So squatters and sojourners are not the same thing.

[Blake Neff]

One more Charlie clip that I think is good. It's not just that borders are biblical, but like nations are biblical. It's not, you know, we might be one body of Christ, but we're not like all a bunch of automaton robots. So let's do a 64.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have this in Genesis 11 when Nimrod wanted to create a one world government, a oneness of humanity, and God hated it. Actually God spread into different nations and people. And we got diversity out of that moment. Because when you have the one world government, what Nimrod said, he said, we are going to make a city upon our name, in our name. And so God decentralized power by definition. And there is no better way to decentralize power on the planet than having hundreds of different countries and different cultures and backgrounds and people and languages. So therefore you then, you then can logically get to the idea of borders and boundaries, which again is a biblical idea.

[Blake Neff]

And you know, in the last public speech he gave in, in Japan, that was a thing he said, he talked about, you know, what globalism wants to do is it wants to take. Imagine taking everything at a Thanksgiving meal. You know, you've got your cranberry salad, you've got your turkey, you've got your stuffing, you've got your mashed potatoes, and just putting all it in a blender and just blending it until it's this slurry.

[Andrew Colvett]

I totally agree.

[Blake Neff]

This is diversity, this is variety.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Two things stand out to me. Yeah. As we're just talking about this. Charlie used to always say that borders are where bad ideas end and good ideas begin. And you can see that by the way, a country is run poorly or if it's run well. And you know, and just, yeah, just this, this sense of, this idea of diversity. It's such an important point, Steve. And you know, I'm going to give the last minute to you here, but the diversity is, you know, their idea of, is putting them all together and you get this, this mush, this, this mix up. But actually borders preserve diversity, preserve heritage. So when you, you know, okay, the floor is yours and what you'll note.

[Steve Deace]

You'Ll always know they're lying when the power and or the policies they pursue grant them more power and control. The progressivism, leftism, spirit of the age, whatever you guys want to call it, it has two primary hallmarks in all of its language and all of its policies and all of its dictums, all of its practicums, power and control. And so that usually means they're doing the exact opposite of what they promise you they're going to do. And it almost always means they're projecting unto you that which they're actually doing. You can count on that every single time.

[Andrew Colvett]

Steve, really quick and we'll do this again in the next hour. Tell people where they can follow you your show where where they can watch it.

[Steve Deace]

Easiest thing to do. Follow me on X at Steve Day show. Everything I do there is. Everything we do is catalog there. It's indexed there at Steve Day show. D, E, A, C E on X. Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And Charlie, love watching your show so.

[Steve Deace]

Well, thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

If you want to be like Charlie, watch Steve's show. We've got Tom Homan, border czar, a great man and a great friend of Charlie's in studio next. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back.

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[Terence Bates]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. Hi, I'm Terence Bates. President Trump once again putting America first by signing a deal with drug company Pfizer to bring down prescription drug prices here in the United States. He just made the deal in the Oval Office a little while ago. He also said Pfizer drug prices will now be in line with what the rest of the world pays. Even Pfizer CEO admitted that the United States has unfairly shouldered the burden of the cost of lower drug prices elsewhere. Pfizer says it will invest more money in the United States for what the company calls innovation. President Trump saying an example of how this will benefit Americans is that a drug that sells overseas for about $10 and costs Americans about $130 will now be much cheaper to American patients. The big story of the day, the clock ticking down towards what at the moment appears to be the inevitability of a government shutdown. Even after congressional leaders met at the White House on Monday in hopes of negotiating a deal. At this hour, there's a stalemate with government workers preparing to pay the price.

[Steve Deace]

Their counter proposal, what Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries are demanding is that they claw back the $50 billion that we put into the rural hospital support structure. They want to take that back. We're not going to do that. We passed that because we have to allow for that.

[Andrew Colvett]

Also.

[Steve Deace]

If they shut the government down, not only are troops unpaid federal workers and all the services that everybody relies upon, but the Whig, the nutrition program, women, infant and children, they will not get that program will not be funded. FEMA won't be funded. We have hurricanes off the coast of the United States right now. This is serious business.

[Andrew Colvett]

It can all be avoided by accepting the reasonable position which is what the.

[Steve Deace]

House has passed and puts it to.

[Andrew Colvett]

The Senate destiny, which is to continue.

[Steve Deace]

To fund the government with a short term continuing resolution. It has never been a good thing. A viewpoint that $1.5 trillion is a.

[Andrew Colvett]

Reasonable amount of spending to be included on a short term cr. This is host taking is not something that we are going to accept and.

[Steve Deace]

We hope that the Democrats come back to the brink, fund this government and allow us to move forward.

[Terence Bates]

At the moment it looks like the federal government will shut down. Just after midnight, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth calls the military's top brass back to Quantico, Virginia to lay out his vision for what the military will be and how it will function under The Trump administration Hexa's 10 point plan includes a strict adherence to stricter standards, merit based promotions and creating a war ready fighting force, not one that's in a defensive posture. That last point goes hand in hand with the Trump administration renaming the Department of Defense the Department of War. President Trump joining the conversation in person to rally the troops, or in this particular case, the generals and action.

[Andrew Colvett]

History has shown that military supremacy has never been simply a matter of money or manpower. At the end of the day, it is the culture spirit of our military that truly sets us apart from any other nation. Our ultimate strength will always come from the fierce people and those brilliant people with such pride and the unbending will and the traditions of excellence that have made us the most unstoppable force ever to walk the face of the earth. And that's what we are.

[Terence Bates]

While President Trump hasn't been able to broker a deal with Congressional Democrats to keep the government open past midnight tonight, he did get Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to agree to ending the two year long war in Gaza. The two leaders met at the White House on Monday, taking a major step towards peace and thanks to a plan that was authored and backed by the Trump administration.

[Tom Homan]

I support your plan to end the war in Gaza which achieves our war aims. It will bring back to Israel all our hostages, dismantle Hamas military capabilities, end its political rule and ensure that Gaza never again poses a threat to Israel.

[Terence Bates]

So far, Hamas has not agreed to the more than 20 terms that are laid out in this U S led agreement. The Commander in Chief is warning the terror group that Israel has the U.S. s backing and support in taking whatever action deemed necessary if Hamas rejects the offer. The deal calls for an immediate cease fire, the release of all hostages held by Hamas in exchange for Palestinian prisoners being held by Israel and a staged Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, among other considerations. That's a quick check of your headlines. As always, we appreciate having you along for the ride. I'm Terence Bates.

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[Andrew Colvett]

All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of this show. I'm joined by a really dear friend of both the show Turning Point USA and of Charlie's and that's Borders, our Tom Homan. Thank you so much, Tom, for making this trip out of your way to come see us.

[Tom Homan]

You got it. Thanks for the invite.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Well, listen, and you know, I just want to start with the obvious question. You know, you're sitting next to Charlie's empty chair. You know, you're hugging our team. I mean, I can see that this is means a lot to you and it's affected you. So, you know, what has this meant to you? And, you know, where do we go from here? You know.

[Tom Homan]

Well, look, I'm a pretty tough guy, but what happened to Charlie broke my heart. Tears your heart right out of your chest. Me and Charlie talked quite often, and I believed what he was doing, what he was doing is a big part of saving this country. Just like President Trump, Hawaii came back twice from retirement to help President Trump save this country. So I made my commitment to Charlie and Turning Point. I'll do anything I can to help this organization because of the great work you're doing again, to help save this country. This country is turbulent. I think Charlie brought out discussion, get people to start thinking, keep talking. Because talking is better than violence. The day, the day of the incident, I was in my office in the West Wing and it just broke my heart. He was such a good man, just trying to open dialogue between those who hated him. I often do the same. I give speeches. And I know that a lot of people don't like Tom Holman, what he does, but we don't shy away from getting out there. Trying to get the truth out. So I'll do everything I can for Turning Point. Thank you, Tom, because I think we both just want to get the truth out there. We both want a better country. We both want a country better for our kids.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly right. Well, Tom, I know that I speak on behalf of not only everybody in this show, but everybody at Turning Point. Erica, when I say that you are a good man, you're a patriot. Charlie loved you and respected you. And when you came back for Trump 2.0, you know, we knew that you were the right man for the job and that you had the guts and the courage to do the job. And I know that Charlie loved you. I know you love Charlie. And at Turning Point, we still love you. The Charlie Kirk Show. We love you and we thank you so much for making this extra special trip. I know Arizona is a place you do a lot of work anyways, but I'm so grateful that you came and made this special trip. So you honor us.

[Tom Homan]

Me and Charlie talked a lot. I've done a show a lot of times. Matter of fact, I was supposed to be in El Paso doing an event with you.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's right. You were going to be on the tour.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah, I was going to be on the tour. Looking forward to it. And but again, I think Turning Point to good hands with Erica. I just had a conversation with her. So proud of her. Such a strong, strong woman. So I think Turning Point people haven't seen anything yet. I think this whole organization's going to increase a thousandfold.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're going to 10x it, Tom. We're going to 10x it.

[Tom Homan]

God bless you.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're going to make this, as Erica says, the biggest thing you've ever seen. We're going to do it for Charlie and we're going to do it for this country. We're going to do it because God compels us. And we're all committed to that vision. And Erica set the tone and she deserves a lot of respect and she has the respect of this, of the team both here at the Charlie Kirk show and at Turning Point. Turning Point action. Tom, I want to talk to you about something that impacts you personally with what you're doing with the Border Patrol ice. And that is this rising violence, this tide of violence. And it is left wing vigilantism and it's shocking and terrifying. I'm going to play it. This is a new clip, Fox News. Rutgers University has done a new poll and I want to get your reaction. Play cut 57 I want to ask.

[Steve Deace]

You about this Rutgers report. Good morning. On the network Contagion Research Center. This is their conclusion.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay.

[Steve Deace]

Users online are increasingly associated the memeification of Luigi Mangione with calls for political violence against Elon Musk, President Trump and others, reflecting the growing cyber social presence of assassination culture. And Aisha, you have some findings that they have here on justification.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's alarming and I want to put this up here. This is a justification for murder of Elon Musk and Donald Trump. And you'll see here they found that when it came to the left of center, 50% thought that it was justified to murder Elon Musk, 56% for President Trump. So just to reiterate, Rutgers University has discovered that 50% of left of center respondents believed it is justified to murder Elon Musk for his opinions. 50%, 96% believed it's justified to kill Donald Trump for his. And I'm assuming had they asked ICE agents about ICE or ICE agents, that number would be similar. What do you do in an environment like this?

[Tom Homan]

Don't stop, don't stop, don't fold. You know, my dad taught me as a young teenager, never go start a fight, never go look for a fight, but don't run away from one either. We're not running anywhere. It's amazing. This is not the country I grew up in. And that's what was great about Charlie and President Trump. They want that country back where we can talk our differences and not be violent. So it shocks me, it shocks me to hear that, I didn't know that just a couple minutes ago, that this is really where we're at as a nation. I truly believe the vast majority of Americans are peaceful, God fearing, American loving people. But you got that fraction of people that have just lost their minds. I mean, attacks against ICE officers is up over a thousand percent. And what people don't, if you stop and think about it, ICE officers, they're not heartless robots. They don't hang their heart on a hook every day they go to work. They're moms and dads too. They're sons and daughters. And they put a gun on their hip and put a bulletproof vest on to go do their job. And they don't make a lot of money doing it. And the hate for them toward them is based on a lot of faults. Negative rhetoric being pushed by members of Congress, members of the media, mayors, governors of sanctuary.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, let's play some of this then. This is because a lot of this right now, the story is Around Chicago, it's around Portland. And I know that there was a lot of protest. I would call it worse than protests. Riots. It's violence, it's intimidation, it's thug culture, it's antifa culture. And you know, you've got Oregon governors and you know, Tina Kotek, you know, saying there's no insurrection, there's no threat to national security. Play cut 33.

[Steve Deace]

I have been abundantly clear with them that Portland and the state of Oregon believe in the rule of law and we can manage our own local public safety needs. There is no insurrection. There is no threat, threat to national security. And there is no need for military troops in our major city. Military service members should be dedicated to real emergencies. The members of the Oregon National Guard, their mission is to stand up and protect Oregonians, and they will do that every day. But they are not needed in the city. They are not needed here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Your reaction?

[Tom Homan]

She should take a drive around Portland. I just was in Portland three weeks ago. I was at the ICE facility that's under attack every night. Matter of fact, I became a little angry because of the damage done to the building, the graffiti. And I asked the person, one of the people there who's in charge of security, why are we not cleaning this up? He says, well, because we'll have to clean it up again tomorrow because I'll come right back and damage the property again. And you're talking about people damaging United States federal property with the felony. You're talking about following our employees home from work to their homes, putting them at great risk. She ought to go look at the ICE facility. Go to the ICE facility and sit there for 24 hours and see what these men and women deal with every day.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. More with Tom Homan. Borders are in just a second. And as I've told you, we're trying our best to get back to a little bit of a regular order here. So just thank you again to our media partners and our advertiser for being so patient with us. I'll tell you about Done with Debt. When you are buried in credit card and loan debt, it's human nature to put it off and say, I'll deal with it later if that's you. Here's a fact that debt strategy experts at Done with Debt have shared with me. They discovered a little known strategy that works in your favor to dramatically reduce or even erase your debt altogether. They aggressively engage everyone you owe money to this fall. And here's why they do it right now. They know which lenders and credit card companies are doing year end accounting and need to cut deals. They even know which ones have to have year end audits and need to get your debt off their books. That means you need to get started with done with debt now and that is donewithdebt.com talk with one of their specialists for free. Visit donewithdebt.com donewithdebt.com more with Tom Homan Borders are in just a second.

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[Steve Deace]

I have the right to be here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, did I say I have the right to be here? I have the right to film.

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What's going on in that clip?

[Tom Homan]

Well look, you got somebody trying to, you know, they think they have the right to protest antifa and turn that protest into criminal activity. Damaging federal property, assaulting federal agents. But they don't want journalism anywhere around because journalism is going to tell the truth and they don't, they don't want the American people to know the truth. You know, they want to play the victims. You know, we're in a situation now where the bad guy is the victims and the good guys want to enforce the law, try to make this country safe again. They're the bad guys and the bad guys are actually the victims. You gotta completely turn around Antifa's the good guys, the victims, us are bad guys. Here's a journalist trying to show the American people what exactly happened. They don't want that. They don't want the truth out to American people and what exactly they're doing.

[Andrew Colvett]

Check out this tweet. This is from ron Wyden in 221. Throw it up if you can. Trump is launching an authoritarian takeover of Portland, hoping to provoke conflict in my hometown. I urge Oregonians to reject Trump's attempt to incite violence. Oh, so it's Trump, It's President Trump who's inciting violence in all your ICE agents just for existing in a vibrant and peaceful city. By the way, this is completely garbage on its face. By the way, Portland is rife with this militant faction of residents that have been pandered to and catered to and treated with kid gloves for so long that they feel that they can run roughshod over the city of Portland. What do you say to this accusation that President Trump is a fascist and authoritarian and he shouldn't be deploying troops in American cities?

[Tom Homan]

President Trump's trying to make his country safe again. And a lot of these sanctuary cities, they're not safe at all. I just said I was in Portland a few weeks ago. It's not safe. I saw the damage they do. They attack the building every night. And, you know, look what President Trump did in Washington, D.C. look at the crime, how that got reduced within days of his action. He made a promise to the American people. He's going to make his country safe again. If that involves troops, and so be it. It's going to make those neighborhoods safer. You would think the mayor of Portland and the governor of Oregon would be calling President Trump up and thanking him to come to the table and helping, giving them resources to make those streets safe again for their constituents, for their taxpayers, 100%.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, let's play a clip that would reinforce your point here. This is a Portland resident praising President Trump for deploying the military to squash this. This is cut 34. I am so happy that Trump is sending the National Guard in here. I live in this building. Actually, we both live in this building. We've been asking for help for months, and we're finally gonna get it.

[Steve Deace]

When do you think they're coming?

[Andrew Colvett]

When?

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[Andrew Colvett]

Not soon enough, man. Not soon enough. That's a. That's a real resident. He lives right near the ICE facility, and he's been living with this. This domestic terror group assaulting federal officers, not to mention, Tom, what happened in Texas, where you had Somebody shooting up an ICE facility. Is this how, what's the esprit de corps of border patrol and ice? I mean, we had all this surge of applicants. Are we still seeing that? Are people staying strong? Are they staying on mission?

[Tom Homan]

Oh, absolutely. The morale's at an all time high because they're getting to enforce the law, they're getting to uphold the oath they took when they signed up to do that job, whether it's Aborbitra or ice. And what people need to understand all this fake rhetoric about who ISIS arresting, right around 70%. 70% of the people ISIS arrest are criminals. Well, the left is saying, well, they're not criminal enough. Well, they're criminal. And the other 30% includes national security threats who don't have criminal histories and people who have final orders. They had due process at great taxpayer expense. They were ordered by federal judgment, became a fugitive. Ice, if you actually look, go to the ICE website, look at the data, you see, without a doubt, they're making these streets safe again, one illegal criminal.

[Andrew Colvett]

At a time, of course. And Tom, I'm going to keep you for just one minute after the break because I want people in the audience that want to get involved, that want to apply for jobs. I want them to please get ready to plug that. You're a great man for radio. We're going to say goodbye to Tom Homan and bring back Steve Dase and Blake Neffs. Don't go anywhere but one or two minutes more with Tom on. We'll be right back.

[Tom Homan]

What's the little animal there?

[Andrew Colvett]

Oh, well, yeah, that's the little animal there is. Charlie's daughter watched the show every day and so she would give him little toys to take with and he would test her. He would put the. He would show the toy or he'd not show the toy and test her. Did you know, did you see it? Did you see me lift it up? And he would mention on the show and she said, yeah, I saw it. It was really a beautiful, beautiful thing. And so we're just leaving that. We're leaving that. Yeah. So, Tom, as I said, if people want to get involved, they want to apply, they want to be a part of the Solution. Maybe they're 20, they don't know what they're doing with their lives. Maybe they're 35 and they're at a job that they don't want to be at anymore and they want to help the country, want to help be a part of your mission. Where do they go? How do they apply? What can they do?

[Tom Homan]

Okay, There's a lot of places you can go. You can go to USAjobs and you'll see the announcements there. And look what I would ask people to do. Go to the CBP website, customer support protection website. Look at what they do. Look at what ICE does, because ICE does a lot of different things. You have HSI and ERO do your research and make sure that you look at what their mission is and see if you agree with the mission, if you want to be a part of the mission. And in addition to that, you don't have to be a federal agent and carry a gun to make this country great again. Get involved with your local community and educate your community on the benefits of enforcing the laws of this country, making this country safe again. Whether it's run for city council, run for mayor, go to the voting booth. It isn't just about the presidential election anymore. This starts at the bottom. So get active in your community. Get out there and vote. Use your right. From anything from a city council member all the way up to president of the United States, get involved. But we welcome them. We're hiring 10, you know, 10,000 marriages. We welcome all the patriots coming in town.

[Andrew Colvett]

I ice.govjoinice.gov join Tom Homan. You're a great patriot. Thank you for joining us. And we have your back. I know you have ours. And God bless you.

[Tom Homan]

Thanks for having me. I appreciate you.

[Andrew Colvett]

The honor's ours. We'll be back with Steve and Blake in just one minute.

[Terence Bates]

Terrence Bates here with your real America's Voice news break. Thanks so much for being here with us. President Trump once again putting America first by signing a deal with drug company Pfizer to bring down prescription drug prices here in the United States. The deal was made final in the Oval Office just a little while ago. President Trump saying that Pfizer drug prices will now be in line with what the rest of the world pays. Even Pfizer CEO admitted that the United States has unfairly shouldered the burden and the cost cost of lower drug prices elsewhere. Pfizer says it will also invest more money in the United States for what the company calls innovation. President Trump saying an example of how this will benefit Americans is that a drug that sells overseas for just $10 costs Americans about $130. And that drug will now be much cheaper to American patients, he says. Secretary of War Pete Hegseth calls the military's top brass back to Quantico, Virginia, to lay out his vision for what the military will be and how it will function under the Trump administration. Hegseth's 10 point plan includes a strict adherence to standards, also merit based promotions and creating a war ready fighting force, not one that's in a defensive posture. Now, that last point goes hand in hand with the Trump administration renaming the Department of Defense the Department of War. President Trump joining the conversation earlier this morning in person to rally the troops or in this particular case, the generals and admirals.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Terence Bates]

And now to the latest on the case involving Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin. The 22 year old's next court appearance is scheduled for October 30th after he made a brief video appearance in a Utah courtroom on Monday. His lawyer will now have about a month to sift through what she described as, quote, voluminous amounts of evidence in advance of the next hearing, during which prosecutors will have to convince the judge that there's enough evidence to move forward with the case. So far, no plea has been entered under Utah law. That typically doesn't happen until after the preliminary hearing. If convicted, the accused assassin faces the death penalty. That's a quick check of your headlines. I'm Terrence Bates. Now back to the Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. We are joined again by Steve Dace and Blake Neff by my side. I'm going to tell you really quickly about one of our just our dear friends that happen to be an advertiser on the show. But they're friends first. And that's Glenn Story and the whole gang over at Patriot Mobile. So we realize that there's a lot of choices for your cell phone service and there's new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one company that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for, and that's Patriot Mobile. I can tell you they have stood in the gap with us. They continue to. For more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three. That's right all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who've made the switch and are now supporting causes they believe in simply by joining Patriot Mobile. Like us here at the show and Turning Point, they've been great partners, so switching is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade. They can help you with that. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team is standing by to take care of you. Call 972 Patriot today or go to patriotmobile.com Charlie patriot mobile.com Charlie use promo code Charlie for a free month of service. That's patriotmobile.com Charlie or 972-patriot. You can call 972 Patriot. Make the switch today. We love those guys. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Glenn. If you're, if you're watching. All right, Steve, you're back.

[Steve Deace]

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Steve Deace]

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[Blake Neff]

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[Andrew Colvett]

See, everybody's doing it. Everybody's doing it. I really quick just, I have to say because I was in the room and I don't know what you guys saw or didn't, but I mean, I don't know if the camera picked it up. But Tom Homan was emotional and that really affected me because he's kind of a tough guy. Not kind of like he's a really tough guy. Guy's packing heat all the time. He's got his family and, you know, hiding because of all the death threats. He's as tough as it comes. And I just, you know, I obviously, I knew it meant a lot to him. I knew he wanted to come into studio because he's going to be in Arizona. We made that. And even though you were coming, you were gracious enough to make time, but to see him get emotional was, was really hard for me actually. So I don't know if you guys saw that, but it just shows.

[Steve Deace]

You could see as he was walking.

[Blake Neff]

Out, you just think there's so many people. Charlie was so involved in everything, so enmeshed in everything. So everyone's met him, everyone's interacted with him. So many people in the administration, you know, probably not Homan specifically, but so many people had their jobs in the White House because Charlie advocated for them, pushed for them repeatedly. And you know, he was taken from us in such a horrible way. And also big picture, it's really shown.

[Andrew Colvett]

How.

[Blake Neff]

What the stakes are because some people choose to raise the stakes in that way.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Steve Deace]

I mean, Charlie was the greatest example of apostolic levels of giftedness I've ever encountered in a human being. And you can see that some of us can be jack of all trades, master of none, and be pretty good at a lot of things. Very few of us can be excellent at multiple things. And that was him. And then you can see the lives that he touched at the exact same time. And you can see, you know, there's something. There was something about him. We talked about this last hour with the young people dressing up to go back to church. And, you know, when you get to my age and older, you hope that you've earned the cachet and the respect with your friends and family members and your sphere of influence when you've got more gray and salt in the beard, that there's that idea that oh, so and so is in the room. So I better kind of come correct. I better raise my standard a little bit. Like. Like might be certain things you might say at your house. You don't say them at Nana's house because Nano, she'll get up with. With the walker and she'll get the roller and take it to your backside if you say that. You talk like that in her home. Right?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. You didn't swear in front of Charlie.

[Steve Deace]

That's right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie didn't swear.

[Tom Homan]

I never heard.

[Steve Deace]

I never heard Charlie swear one time.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'd never heard it either, you know, and I. If somebody was going to hear it, it would have been me.

[Steve Deace]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

But yeah, he would. I remember he would always say to people, he's like, remember guys like, you know, fifth graders are listening, listening. You know, 12 year olds are listening, please. And I just love it.

[Steve Deace]

I mean, the fact that you felt compelled to raise your standard around him and it wasn't because of. There was a humility on him at the same time. So it's not like he. It was a lack of self awareness. No, not at all.

[Blake Neff]

It was so different from. There are a lot of people who have a strong effect because they're very domineering and he was not domineering.

[Steve Deace]

He was.

[Blake Neff]

What he was, was. I loved that apostolic line you mentioned that what really burst out of him was the constant sense of mission. He was always doing his mission, even when he was taking a break.

[Andrew Colvett]

It was this.

[Blake Neff]

Oh, this is the break in my mission. And it's quite temporary and delimited and I'm still talking about other things. I still have my responsibilities to my family and that's my mission too. He, he, he never. I always love to say that people would ask me if I hung out with, with Charlie. And I said, I don't know if Charlie has ever hung out in his entire life.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, the joke was like, I tried having fun once and I hated it.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew Colvett]

But he could have fun.

[Steve Deace]

He could have fun.

[Andrew Colvett]

He actually had a lot of fun. But it was, it was when he was at work with his colleagues and peers and people he's laboring.

[Blake Neff]

What he would never do is he would never say, oh, I was planning to do this thing tonight. Ah, forget about it, let's just go, go karting or something like that. He would not, he would never punt on something important. Important to be lazy, to be casual. And not a lot of people can do that.

[Steve Deace]

I can't do that.

[Blake Neff]

And yeah, it really made him exceptional.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I'm gonna go, I'm gonna veer this conversation into something that broke on the news last night. And that was, and I was asked about it on Tim Pool. I was honored to join Tim's show last night. He's actually broadcasting from Turning Point and you know, he's actually going to help co host the show tomorrow. So we're really excited about that. But they asked me about this letter that Charlie had written to Bibi Netanyahu. And this was something that we were very aware of. We didn't think it was controversial at all. It apparently leaked. It was about a seven page letter that he wrote in May. And it was his encouragement and his admonitions, his admonishments rather to, to the way that they were handling their PR situation. He was like, hey, listen, I'm out on an island here. I have to defend you all the time. And it shouldn't be my job, it should be your job. Give me from your perspective, because I know you talked about Israel with Charlie. You talked about all of this stuff. What is your perspective on that letter? What was your perspective on the reaction to the letter and what was in the contents of it?

[Steve Deace]

So I did read the letter last night and I mean, essentially it's everything I ever heard Charlie say about this very topic. Publicly or privately. Both his, you know, his support and love of Israel and the Jewish people, his concerns about whether or not we're gonna just label everybody that has disagreements with Israeli policy. I mean, hey, during COVID when we were pushing back on that, I mean, I was very critical of the government of Israel during that. Bibi Netanyahu launched probably the worst lockdown of any industrialized country. Free, industrialized country in the world. His successor, Naftali Bennett. I mean, I even said on my show, guys, I'm like, has he not read a history book? Did we not understand the last time we turned the Jewish people over to a biomedical fascist state? I mean, Naftali Bennett basically allowed the people of Israel to be Pfizer's human trial on behalf of the rest of the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

Naftali's politics would be considered left leaning politics.

[Steve Deace]

Yes, yes. And so are we going to say, though, if you have criticisms of their policy, we're going to automatically jump to the anti Semite card. At the same time, we have a rising tide of anti Semitism on the right that I know Charlie was greatly concerned about. In fact, him and I, he was discussing with me how we could organize, you know, an evangelical specific pushback to that. Just literally in the last days before he died, we were having those conversations. And one of the things that we talked about in order to. Because how do we. Because we're undergoing a generational sifting right now in the church. The two primary denominations you're seeing young men return to in math are Catholic and Reformed Protestantism. And even though there's deep doctrinal differences there going back to, you know, the Reformation. Yes. They both have the historical Christian view, pre dispensationalism of the nation of Israel.

[Andrew Colvett]

Explain that though. Pause at pre dispensationalism for those who.

[Steve Deace]

Don'T understand long word. Yeah. So the pre. Before dispensationalism, the church primarily believed that the covenant with Israel was fulfilled when Jesus said, said it is finished. Not just the wrath of God is finished, but the, that covenant is finished. The, the ultimate role of Israel was to bring forth Messiah. And that has been completed. And especially when the, when in 70 and then in 110 AD when this temple was destroyed in 70 AD and Jerusalem was ransacked in 110 AD that, that early Christians believed that was. That was the abomination of desolation at the Olivet discourse that Jesus was warning about about. In fact, one of the great divisions in the early church were, remember, everybody is a Jew at first. It's just a matter of whether they believe Yeshua is Messiah or not. And so when they, when they watched the Roman legions go into the temple and defile it, they viewed that the early churches. So this is what Jesus warned us about, the abomination of desolation. So they fled. Right. And, and the non. The non Messianic Jews stood and fought and that created some traditional division between These two camps going forward was that moment. And so the early church believed that that was the fulfillment of that prophecy, that it was over. Most of them did. There have been some sects that believed that there was going to be a future iteration of Israel later. And then Augustine comes in the 4th century and this overwhelmingly now becomes Augustine's the most formative figure in the church in the post canon era. And much of what the reformers wanted to reinstill was just old Augustinian versions views of Catholicism, frankly. And, and, and so this idea that the sometimes it's called replacement theology, I think it's more complicated than that. That essentially now Israel's role in the prophetic timeline is fulfilled and now this is the era of the church, all right. And we could do so.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's predispensation.

[Steve Deace]

That's pre dispensationalism. And there's always variations, guys, and there's always debates when in these.

[Andrew Colvett]

So when would you say dispensationalism was on the rise? A lot of people look at the rise of the Scofield Bible and that.

[Steve Deace]

That does have some. You know, it's funny, I saw, I saw John Rich do that show with Tucker Carlson about a year ago and I kind of chuckled at the controversy because when I, I got converted when I was a local host in Des Moines. And so I started asking all these questions I don't know and I start bringing people on with these various views and man, the amount of controversy it caused 20 years ago in Des Moines, Iowa. All right. Let alone what it's what it's going to do on a show the size of Tucker's to have this conversation. But there is part of that. But, but here's the thing. The dispensational churches, particularly coming out of the Moody system, they were the ones when the mainline Protestant and mainline Reformed and mainline Lutheran churches that had the historical view they went, when they went mainline and then went apostate. It was the churches that were sending around the, the pamphlets called the Fundamentals all over the country. That's hence the term fundamentalism. They were the ones that held on to orthodoxy that did not become apostate. And so many Christians, particularly in the older generations, I'm a, I'm an Xer and Boomer had no idea that there were other views about Israel and prophecy because the orthodoxy that was being taught came strictly out of dispensational.

[Andrew Colvett]

People don't know this, but Catholics have a whole prayer. I believe they play. They pray it at Israel or an.

[Blake Neff]

Easter The Easter vigil has a lot of prayers and one of them is for the Jewish people.

[Andrew Colvett]

They say for those who don't believe in God.

[Blake Neff]

For those who do not believe in Christ, they kind of have now Spurgeon.

[Steve Deace]

I'm a big Spurgeon guy. Spurgeon detested dispensationalism, but he also believed there was going to be a future reconstitution of Israel with the intent of a great revival in the end times.

[Andrew Colvett]

He also believed that Charlie would talk about this a lot too. About one of the best arguments for Israel is the land rights, because God promised the land to Israel. His promises are never ending. So yeah, you could talk about who the fulfillment of the church is. Is it Christians? Is it the Church of Christ? Is it Christ Church, or is it Jews? It's a big topic. Sorry, I mean, I hope I didn't unleash this with not enough time to get to the end here, but we're going to take a quick break. More with Steve Dase and Blake Neff. Be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

The Charlie Kirk show all right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Steve Dace Blake Neff, myself. I'm Andrew Colvett, executive producer of the show. So we're talking about dispensational. I didn't know we were going to go here, but this is, this is fascinating. So you're walking through this history and you're saying the. Right. So the church was mostly pre dispensationalist. And then at some point, would you say in the early 1900s?

[Steve Deace]

Early 1900s, for sure.

[Andrew Colvett]

The ascendancy of dispensationalism, which, which in a nutshell means that when the Bible's talking about who the church is or who the people of God are, he still means the Jewish people to some extent.

[Steve Deace]

Yeah, there's the Jews and the Christian and the Gentile church are on dual D U A L, dual tracks of redemption, of prophetic redemption. And we're in the age of the gentiles now. And when the church is raptured and that will be the end of the age of the gentiles. And then God will turn to the Jewish people one last time for the fulfillment of that covenant. And then, then we'll usher in the second coming of Christ.

[Andrew Colvett]

Pre dispensationalism believes that the church is the fulfillment. Yes now becomes the yes. Right. Which is complicated, right, Because.

[Steve Deace]

And people within these camps don't even agree with you.

[Andrew Colvett]

And by the way, just so the audience is clear, within these two camps, if you think of them as the sort of two ends of the spectrum, there's multiple camps in the middle and variations of each.

[Steve Deace]

We could do a month of shows on this and just scratch the surface.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is why. Because the Bible, it's complicated. Right. Because Paul's talking about, well, you're in grafted branches, which means that we're like wild olive, you know, and that's why.

[Steve Deace]

I think we should. And this is something Charlie and I definitely agreed on. That's why while we're going to have this debate and it needs to be had, okay, we're a generation past due having this debate. Are we still dispensational or re. Historical in the meantime, Islam hates us all.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's exactly.

[Steve Deace]

We need to focus on that.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's where we're going to land the plane. You read my mind. Because if there's anything that is clear to me about the last few months, it was that he had a laser pinpoint focus on raising the flag, sounding the alarm about the rise of Islam in the West. And so that's. We're going to land the plane. We'll be right Back.

[Steve Deace]

All right, welcome back.

[Andrew Colvett]

Final segment of the Day with Steve Dase, Blake Neff, myself Andrew Colvett. And, you know, we just got done saying that we're going to land the plane because you could argue about dispensationalism or pre dispensationalism until you're blue in the face. You'll never get anywhere. There's going to be people that disagree or agree on both sides. You know, the point of that letter, and I just want to put a pin on that, and then we're going to go to Islam. Is Charlie called what Israel was doing PR malpractice. And, you know, it's kind of like the Bible says, the wounds of a friend can be trusted. He was respectful in tone because he's speaking to a world leader. But, you know, it was a private letter because it was pretty brutal, actually. It was saying, you know, this is bad pr. And Charlie would say on the show, the pr, the Israeli pr, and the lack of confronting this information machine that's against you is malpractice and you need to fix it.

[Steve Deace]

Which is a great argument against a Zionist conspiracy that controls the world when they have such a bad.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's a fair point. And I always think the other good point is that if they control the world, why is the UN so against them? But why is it fixated on them? But the point is Charlie was less concerned about that and more concerned about this rise of Islam in the West. You see this in places like Dearborn in America. You talk to politicians in Michigan, by the way, and they're like, well, I can't say that because I got. I've been in these conversations because I gotta say things because there's so many Muslims. And now Charlie was warning against invaders that would rule over you. And that's an example. That's. It's a soft. That's how it happens. That's how it starts. And then you go to places like London. You were with him in London. What was he saying when he was in London?

[Blake Neff]

It was so jarring when we went in London and we get in this very posh. Tony, whatever. Choose your word that you want in central London. And storefronts have the lettering in Arabic. We were staying in. He was staying in a pretty decent hotel. If you turned on the television, there's as many television channels that are in Arabic as in English. They had Saudi tv. They had, you know, Lebanese tv. They had Pakistani tv, Qatari, Egyptian. They even had the. The Saudi children's channel. So it was showing a Spyro, the Dragon show, but in Arabic. And it was so jarring for him to see that. And then he's talking to people and they're saying, yeah, there's thousands of mosques in London at this point. People are running and getting elected to parliament on a free Gaza platform.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, and then you go to, like, France, and the women have to wear, you know, subway shirts because the immigrant men are not used to seeing young women in tank tops or whatever. And there was, you know, obviously you have the rape gangs, but it also affects just the body politic because now you have to start speaking to this new contingent of voters that is only growing.

[Blake Neff]

Only growing.

[Andrew Colvett]

And they're having way more.

[Blake Neff]

People are bad at the math of this. They'll think, this is a 4% minority. It's not a big deal. Yet in 25 years, they've grown to 8% and they're still growing. And so you can do the math and say, yeah, by 2050, the UK is going to be 25%.

[Andrew Colvett]

There was that terrifying clip out of Denmark where this Danish guy is getting into a fight with an argument with a Muslim immigrant. And he goes, In 10 years, we. You don't have any babies. We have lots of kids. He's like, we were going to control you in 10 years.

[Steve Deace]

Here's the thing. For. For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam. And so if you think our. I'm not saying we don't have to rethink some of our aspects of our alliance with Israel, but if you think that we are incurring the wrath of Islam because of our alliance with Israel, I'm going to disprove it right now. For 1200 years, there was no nation on earth called Israel, but we still had Islam. How did Islam treat the Christian west during that time? Time it went to war with it. The entire time the Holy Roman Empire was formed because the Muslims had taken Vienna and they were a block south of Paris. All right? So this idea that if anything, if anything, Israel is actually a cudgel between us and Islam. If there were no Jewish state in the Middle east, all of that energy would just all be directed at us. And I think we could have. And I. And I want us to have the big prophetic debates. We're a generation overdue. Your boomer parents were wrong to care more about Israeli Defense Force maneuvers around the Temple Mount than the school board in your local neighborhood. They were wrong.

[Andrew Colvett]

So well said.

[Steve Deace]

Thank you. And you're wrong to rebuke you're right to rebuke that. But let's also have a historical perspective and understand that Islam hates Jews and Christians alike. We're all people of the book, and so whatever prophetic view we have of the nation of Israel will not alter what Islam thinks of Christendom whatsoever. And it will still try to conquer you nevertheless. And Charlie understood that. And that, I think, is where we are going to be able to find unity on this.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that it was probably the thing he railed against the loudest and the most in the final days. And, you know, we have to come to grips with the fact that Islam is a political and a military ideology wrapped in a religious, you know, context.

[Steve Deace]

Separation of church and state is not a debatable tension in Islam.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, it doesn't exist. Steve, please, really quick, where can people follow you and watch your show at steveday Show?

[Steve Deace]

D E A C E on X. Everything we do is all cataloged and indexed there for the Blaze and everywhere else at Steve Day show on X.

[Andrew Colvett]

This has been a pleasure, my friend. I again, I just want to reiterate. Charlie loved you and he trusted you. And God bless you. Thank you for making the trip. I know, I know this isn't easy, so you honor us.

[Steve Deace]

Anytime I can do it, you let me know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you, Steve.

[Steve Deace]

You got it. God bless.

[Andrew Colvett]

All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow with Tim Pool.

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