The Charlie Kirk Show, September 4, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show – September 4, 2025 (Guest Host: Andrew Colvett)

EPISODE OVERVIEW

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, guest-hosted by Andrew Colvett, dives into the contentious dynamics of America’s institutions in the wake of COVID-19, cultural battles in higher education and medicine, and the shifting landscape of media trust. Key topics include government "institutional capture", medical establishment credibility post-COVID, debates over vaccine access and mandates, DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) in medicine and education, and a breakdown of notable journalistic disruptors.

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MAIN SEGMENTS & KEY ISSUES

[02:42] – [07:22] Senate Hearing Fireworks: RFK Jr., Senator Kennedy, Vaccines, & Big Pharma

• RFK Jr. (Secretary of Health and Human Services) is grilled by Senator Kennedy and Senator Liz Warren over revised COVID-19 vaccine recommendations.

  • Previously, RFK Jr. said he’d never take vaccines away from anyone who wanted them.
  • Now, the COVID vaccine is "no longer recommended for healthy people under 65", prompting debate about whether that's effectively denying access through policy/insurance complications.
  • Kennedy accuses RFK Jr. of breaking his promise and puts him on the spot: “Will you tell America that all adults and all children over 6 months of age are eligible to get a Covid booster at their local pharmacy today?” [05:43]

• RFK Jr. insists he’s not denying access but stresses the government won’t recommend or subsidize products lacking data for those demographics.

  “We're not going to recommend a product for which there's no clinical data for that indication.” — RFK Jr. (Charlie Kirk Show Host voice), [06:34] “You want me to indicate a product for which there is no clinical data?” — RFK Jr., [28:43]

• Big Pharma Connections: Senator Kennedy raises questions about money from pharmaceutical companies and potential conflicts of interest among politicians and bureaucrats.

  “You’ve taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies... did you hold up a big sign saying you were lying when you said you would not take them away?” — Senator Kennedy, [28:25]

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[10:05] – [11:30] Andrew Colvett & Senator Eric Schmidt: Institutional Capture & COVID Mandates

• Guest Host Andrew Colvett frames the show around government capture by Big Pharma and regulatory “revolving doors.”

• Senator Eric Schmidt (Missouri) joins to discuss the public’s skepticism of the medical establishment post-COVID, referencing his Supreme Court win against vaccine mandates and mask mandate cases.

  “Covid was an example where power doesn’t necessarily corrupt, but it does reveal.” — Eric Schmidt, [13:24]

  “The American people were lied to... At first it was going to prevent you getting Covid at all. Then it was going to prevent transmission. Neither one of those things were true.” — Eric Schmidt, [11:30]

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[15:49] – [19:26] Eric Schmidt on Immigration & H-1B Visas; Media Framing

• Discussion of Senator Schmidt’s controversial NatCon speech on immigration, “institutional capture,” and DEI/CRT in American life.

  • Schmidt rails against the H-1B Visa system, arguing it’s being used to undercut American wages and transform communities.

  “We funneled in millions of foreign nationals to take the jobs, salaries and futures that should belong to our own children.” — Eric Schmidt, [15:49]

  “They destroy the wages of those other jobs that people look for. That's kind of what's happening right now with white collar jobs.” — Eric Schmidt, [17:22]

• Critiques the left as pushing a “neo-Marxist, cultural Marxist agenda” that undermines America’s story and pride.

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[24:27] – [30:16] COVID Policy Back-and-Forth

• Full replay and analysis of Senator Kennedy and RFK Jr. clash on vaccine recommendations, insurance, and access.

• Colvett criticizes Senator Warren for her approach and alignment with pharmaceutical interests, characterizing her line of questioning as a “straw man argument.”

  “If you want to go get a Covid shot, go get a Covid shot. The United States government does not need to be supplementing that. There is no pandemic. There is no urgency.” — Andrew Colvett, [25:43]

• Colvett and guests discuss the issue of myocarditis, panel composition, and the challenge of depoliticizing medical recommendations.

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[33:06] – [35:11] Headlines: Trump Administration & Florida Policy Moves

• Reports on:

  • Trump administration launching military operations against drug cartels.
  • Florida ending all state vaccine mandates and rolling out the “Make America Healthy Again” commission.

  “They do not have the right to tell you what you put in your body.” — Aaron Saberian, [33:49]

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[37:48] – [47:43] Media Shake-Ups & The Rise of The Free Press

• Guest: John Levine (Washington Free Beacon)

  • Discusses the rise of Barry Weiss and The Free Press—recently purchased by CBS for $100-200 million.
  • Examines the loss of public trust in established media (CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post), and the rise of alternative and centrist platforms.
  • Reviews the saga of the Tom Cotton NYT op-ed (“Send In The Troops”), backlash from staff, and its lasting impact on “newsroom culture.”

  “People, a lot of smart people, aren’t necessarily right-wing. But they know they’re being lied to... There is such a hunger for trustworthy new voices, and Barry just has a lot of credibility.” — John Levine, [43:09]

  “The Free Press is really a centrist publication. The silent majority in our country is just normal people who don’t want a screamer on either end.” — John Levine, [45:30]

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[53:52] – [57:47] Free Speech Under Threat: UK Comedian’s Arrest

• Coverage of the arrest of comedian Graham Linehan in the UK for anti-transgender tweets.

• John Levine explains the crisis of free expression in Europe compared to the U.S., noting the lack of a First Amendment overseas.

• Discusses the suppression of reporting on sensitive issues (church fires, grooming gangs) in the UK.

  “England is in a very, very bad way... It pains me to see that country subverting itself and turning its back on founding principles.” — John Levine, [55:38]

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[60:39] – [108:40] Charlie Kirk Interviews Aaron Sibarium (Washington Free Beacon)

Part 1: Yale, Radicalization, and Wokeness in Elite Institutions ([61:19]–[69:22])

• Aaron Sibarium discusses his time at Yale:

  • Radicalized by left-wing orthodoxy and campus “preference falsification.”
  • Notes the culture of conformity, with students and future journalists/doctors/lawyers pressured to acquiesce to progressive demands.

  “There was a sort of vibrancy to the conservative intellectual scene that was lacking on the left.” — Aaron Sibarium, [62:59]

  “The sort of Fox News caricature was, in fact, accurate.” — Aaron Sibarium, [66:02]

Part 2: Woke Medicine, Race-Based COVID Drug Allocation ([69:22]–[77:42])

• Sibarium exposes the use of race as a tiebreaker for dispensing lifesaving COVID drugs in New York, Minnesota, and Utah:

  “If you were not white, you automatically got two extra points added to your Covid risk score... If you held everything else equal, the non-white person was going to win every time.” — Aaron Sibarium, [75:00]

  • These policies included flawed logic and were rescinded after reporting and legal pressure.

Part 3: DEI Infiltration and Lowered Medical Standards ([93:26]–[107:28])

• Focus on UCLA Medical School’s affirmative action and DEI influence leading to rising failure rates on medical exams.

  • Whistleblowers report "up to half of students in certain cohorts failing basic competency tests,” and admissions decisions made with explicit racial consideration.

  “There are far more people who are not up to snuff than there used to be... part of how medicine advances is through these schools, but fewer and fewer of the graduates are really qualified.” — Aaron Sibarium, [96:15]

  “Admissions committee routinely gives black and Latino applicants a pass for subpar metrics, while whites and Asians need perfect scores...” — Andrew Colvett, [104:55]

  • Discussion on required “structural racism and health equity” courses—one required reading claimed: “the concept of obesity enacts violence on fat people”.

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MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• RFK Jr. on Medical Transparency:

  “Are we actually preventing suicide or are we creating more suicide? ... Our society, without us even knowing the answer to those questions, that is malpractice at these agencies and that is the malpractice that I am going to fix.” — RFK Jr., [04:34–04:59]

• Eric Schmidt on the Lasting Impact of COVID Policy:

  “Covid was an example where power doesn’t necessarily corrupt, but it does reveal.” [13:24]

• Aaron Sibarium on Wokeism in Medicine:

  “Medicine hasn’t developed any antibodies against wokeism.” [79:34]

• Andrew Colvett on Vaccine Access Debate:

  “If you want to go get a Covid shot, go get a Covid shot... There is no pandemic. There is no urgency. This is an absolute straw man argument.” [25:43]

• John Levine on Media Disruption:

  “There is such a hunger for trustworthy new voices... The Free Press has a lot of credibility in that space.” [43:09]

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TIMESTAMPS OF IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• [02:42] Senate Hearing: RFK Jr. Vaccine stance debate
• [10:05] Andrew Colvett hosts, outlines institutional “capture” theme
• [11:30] Eric Schmidt criticizes COVID mandates, medical credibility
• [15:49] H-1B Visa & immigration critique
• [24:27] Replay/dissection: Vaccine mandates/access argument
• [33:06] Headlines: Trump, cartel wars, Florida vaccine, DeSantis
• [37:48] John Levine on The Free Press rise & CBS acquisition
• [45:30] Media landscape shift & our “silent majority”
• [53:52] Graham Linehan arrested; UK free speech issues
• [61:19] Aaron Sibarium interview: Yale, radicalization
• [69:22] COVID race-based drug rationing
• [93:26] UCLA DEI, medical standards, affirmative action fallout
• [104:55] Anesthesiology DEI argument & struggle sessions

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TAKEAWAYS & OVERALL TONE

The episode is vigorous, combative, and unapologetically critical of mainstream narratives around vaccines, media, university culture, and DEI policies. The hosts and guests prize candor, skepticism of authority, and “calling out” what they see as hypocrisy or institutional failure.

It’s especially relevant for listeners who want an unfiltered, right-of-center take on these political, social, and cultural debates, with an emphasis on first-hand accounts from insiders and whistleblowers.

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For further reading:

• John Levine on X: @LevineJonathan
• Aaron Sibarium’s investigations at Washington Free Beacon
• More Charlie Kirk interviews and coverage at charliekirk.com
• Recent features on media shake-ups: The Free Press, CBS, and others.

Transcript

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Senator Kennedy]

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[John Levine]

I mean, one of the problems, Senator, is that, you know, we now have one out of every five kids on these drugs and the antidepressants even more. And we know very little about long.

[Charlie Kirk]

Term impacts because NIH and CDC have.

[John Levine]

Been asleep at the wheel right now. We are doing those studies, we're doing extensive studies so that we can warn.

[Charlie Kirk]

Parents and so that we can force.

[John Levine]

The companies to put labels on their products. And, you know, we'll do whatever we.

[Charlie Kirk]

Can to show that just to get data out to the public.

[John Levine]

That's really what our function is and.

[Charlie Kirk]

To show what the long term impact of some of these drugs is.

[John Levine]

You know, are we actually preventing suicide or are we creating more suicide? And that's something that we don't know.

[Charlie Kirk]

The answer to, which is, you know, how did these drugs became. Become so common?

[John Levine]

Our society, without us even knowing the answer to those questions, that is malpractice at these agencies and that is the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Malpractice that I am going to fix.

[Senator Kennedy]

Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Thank you, Senator Warren.

[Senator Kennedy]

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So last November, while you were under consideration to become Secretary of Health And Human Services, Mr. Kennedy, you said, quote, if vaccines are working for somebody, I'm not going to take them away. No exceptions, no ifs, ands or buts. You would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. Then last week you announced the COVID 19 vaccine is no longer approved for healthy people under the age of 65. In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be available for anyone who wants it. Now, obviously both things cannot be true at the same moment. So let's clear this up right now. Secretary Kennedy, will you tell America that all adults and all children over 6 months of age are eligible to get a Covid booster at their local pharmacy today?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Anybody can get the booster.

[Senator Kennedy]

I'm sorry?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Anybody can get it anyway.

[Senator Kennedy]

So you're saying that is now the official rule of hhs? Anybody is eligible to get a booster by just walking into the pharmacy?

[John Levine]

It's not recommended for healthy people.

[Senator Kennedy]

No, no. If you don't recommend, then the consequence of that in many states is that you can't walk into a pharmacy and get one. It means insurance companies don't have to cover the $200 or so cost. As Senator Dr. Cassidy said, you are effectively denying people vaccines.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're not going to recommend a product for which there's no clinical data for that indication.

[John Levine]

Is that what I should be doing?

[Senator Kennedy]

What you should be doing is honoring your product promise that you made when you were looking to get confirmed in this job.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're going like this.

[Senator Kennedy]

That is, you promised that you would not take away vaccines from anyone who wanted them. You just changed the classification of the COVID vaccine.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

I'm not taking them away from people, Senator.

[Senator Kennedy]

It takes it away. If you can't get it from your pharmacy, well, most Americans are going to.

[Charlie Kirk]

Be able to get it from their pharmacy for free dollars.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Most Americans will be able to get it from their pharmacy for the question.

[Senator Kennedy]

Is everyone who wants it? That was your promise.

[Andrew Colvett]

I never promised that I was going to recommend.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Here we go, everybody. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk, who's on assignment today. He's traveling abroad. But don't fear. We have some Charlie Kirk content coming at you in the second hour that we prepared just for this very day. I'm gonna get right into it. We are blessed by an amazing first guest of this show, a true patriot of this country, Senator Eric Schmidt from the great state of Missouri. Senator, you. You and I were watching that exchange just before we took the air of Senator Kennedy or Secretary Kennedy going toe to toe with Senator Liz Warren, like it's 2022 arguing about the COVID vaccine and we don't have the clip just yet. But I mean, it was an amazing exchange. You and I could see us laughing on the call before it. So, you know, he throws the gauntlet down. And I think it's very central to this whole committee hearing where he says you've taken over $850,000 from Big Pharma, and it seems like one of the big dividing lines here, the points of argument is that we're talking about institutional capture of the medical establishment in this country, and it seems like some people still trust these people. Well, it seems like the vast majority of Americans have grown skeptical of what they're selling. Your take on this committee hearing, and then I want to get into your natcon speech.

[Aaron Saberian]

Yeah, look, I think Maha is rising, and for good reason, because I think what the American people saw, particularly during COVID the lies that were peddled by the medical establishment, by the cdc, by all these public health officials who, you know, on one hand said you couldn't go outside, but it was okay to riot at a Black Lives Matter protest. That's okay. I mean, they lost complete credibility. And what RFK Jr. Is trying to do, what the Trump administration is trying to do, is restore the credibility by telling the American people the truth, giving them information, letting make their own decisions, actually run the this agency how it should be run. And he's challenging people who aren't being, you know, used to being challenged and good for him because the talking points are, you know, they've been out there forever. But the truth is the American people were lied to. Let's just take the COVID vaccine. First of all, it should have never been mandatory. In my book, the Last Line of Defense, how to Beat the left in Court, I actually note this. We took the vaccine mandate case all the way to the Supreme Court and we won. It should have never been mandated, but also we were lied to. At first it was going to prevent you getting Covid at all. Then it was you're going to prevent transmission. Neither one of those things were true. And so I think that American people have good reason after Covid to be very skeptical of these so called experts. And I think RFK Jr. Was brought in to be a disruptor and that's exactly what he's doing.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah, well said. I mean, and by the way, I'm remiss for not mentioning your book. I mean, it just came out. Last line of defense. You were the, you were the vanguard of our legal defense for patriots in this country that felt left out, pushed aside, marginalized or attacked and harassed by the Biden administration. You did such great work there. And so, you know, by all means, please take another moment here. Last line of defense. Tell the audience about it. And I love the tie in to what we're seeing right now play out in the Senate floor, please. The floor is yours.

[Aaron Saberian]

Well, look, Covid was an example where power doesn't necessarily corrupt, but it does reveal. And what we saw during COVID was something I could have never imagined in this country. And so when we stepped up, when we brought those lawsuits, we sued on the vaccine mandate. We won. We sued 50 plus school districts in Missouri to drop their mask mandate for kids even because it wasn't effective. And we were successful. We brought the Missouri vs Biden lawsuit that exposed the censorship enterprise that included the COVID you know, misinformation or mal information they were trying to censor. In fact, the the censorship operation started on day three of the Biden administration, and ironically, RFK Jr. Was the first one censored. Another guy that was caught up in all that by Anthony Fauci, who we took the deposition of, that you can read about in the book, was Dr. J. Bhattacharya, who talked about natural immunity. Fauci wanted to destroy his career, but now he's head of the nih. So I think what's good right now is the rebels, and I would include myself as one of those. During that time. RFK Jr many more are now inside of the castle, and they don't like it. And there's a lot of disruption and a lot of table flipping that needs to happen, and not everybody's going to like it. And that's kind of what's going on with this hearing today with RFK Jr. But we need it badly.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Well, Senator, as you well know, when you exercise the demons, they tend to screech. So I'm watching this, this hearing with great intrigue and entertainment, and I, I need my popcorn emoji somewhere nearby. Senator, I actually wanted you to come on the show with Charlie. So I'm honored that I get to be the. Be the guest host today for this because I. And I just have to show this, this image for everybody. It's too good. Here it is. It is 4:35. Put it up. You are catching some heat here because your natcon speech, you have MSNBC columnist Senator Eric Schmidt lets his extremist flag fly in racist speech at natcon. I'll be honest, I saw a bunch of the clips from your natcon speech, and I was standing up, I was clapping. I mean, it was just pitch perfect, Senator. And especially some of the lines that you had on the H1B visa scam. And it is a scam. And I'm going to play this clip and I'll let you be the judge in the audience. Is this an extremist flag flying? Is it a racist speech? Or is it just common sense? Let's go ahead and play. Cut 428.

[Aaron Saberian]

The H1B visa, for example, was sold as a way to keep America globally competitive. Of course, we do have an interest in attracting the truly exceptional few, the very best and the brightest in the world. But that's not how programs like H1B have actually functioned. Instead, they've imported a vast new labor force from abroad, not to fill jobs Americans can't or won't do, but to undercut American wages, replace American workers, and transfer entire industries into the Hands of foreign lobbies. We funneled in millions of foreign nationals to take the jobs, salaries and futures that should belong to our own children.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Now Senator, this speech, which is by the way, it's gotten rave reviews. I've seen everybody praising it. I mean you're, you're just pitch perfect on this speech. It coincides with some of this back and forth with India. Now we know that there's about 400,000 H1B visas issued or renewed every year and about 75% of those go to India. Mainly in high tech, mainly in high skilled white collar jobs. And there's complete neighborhoods by the way, just in Dallas is in Frisco. And I went to, had to go to the store in Frisco and it is basically an Indian colony at this point. I mean God bless them, they work hard, they do good work. But that community has transformed overnight. Those jobs are no longer held by native born Americans. Please, the floor is yours. What are you seeing in this issue? Is there motivation on Capitol hill to address H1BS?

[Aaron Saberian]

Well, first of all, the reason why the left is going crazy over the speeches because we unapology, unapologetically proclaimed that America is a great place and we're not going to apologize for it anymore. The people that built this country, we should celebrate them. America is the vanguard for Western civilization. We settled a continent, we sent people to the moon. I mean there's all these great things that we have done in this country that the left wants us to, to undermine and despise because they want to remake America. And the only way you do that is if you tell a different story about who we are. And that's what CRT is all about. That's what DEI is all about. It's what this neo Marxist, cultural Marxism agenda is all about. And they can't get there if we actually are proud of our country. And that's what the speech was. And they just don't like hearing that because for a long time I think they've had a lot of people in retreat on defending America. And I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to back down. I love this country. I love America. And I know that the people who watch this show, listen to the show, they love America too. And you know what? We're not going to apologize for that anymore. So anyway, that's on the speech as relates to the H1B program in particular. Look, it's not all that different than what happened with blue collar jobs. This slow moving disaster over a period of decades where the elites told us in the name of free trade, not, you know, forgetting all the barriers that exist in other places, it's going to be good for you if we ship your jobs overseas. And then the blue collar workers that I grew up around were then looking for jobs. And then guess what, through mass migration, illegal immigration, they, you know, destroy the wages of those other jobs that people look for. That's kind of what's happening right now with white collar jobs. They're kneecapping white collar jobs by look, I mentioned there is a need for the exceptional few. There's no doubt about that. But here's what's really happening. We're importing a bunch of people to undercut the wages of white collar workers now. And they actually have to train their replacements in order to get their severance package. They have go through the humiliating process of training their replacement who's going to get paid less. And we have plenty of people in this country who can do those jobs.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah.

[Aaron Saberian]

In fact, anyway, we ought to be.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

I'm going to keep you over the break just for a few minutes here, Senator. I know you got to go after that. More with Senator Eric Schmidt when we get right back.

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Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sassy, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

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[Charlie Kirk]

The Charlie Kirk show.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. This is Andrew Colvett in for the one and only Charlie Kirk. What a fun show. Eric Schmidt's just the best. I'm going to tell you quickly about why Refi and then we're going to get back to the hearing with RFK junior Private student loan debt in the United states totals about $300 billion. About 45 billion of that is labeled as distressed. Why Refi refinances distressed or defaulted private student loans that others won't even touch. They provide you with a custom loan amount based on your ability to pay a loan payment. Why Refi is not a debt settlement company and they work with each borrower individually, tailoring the solution to your ability to pay and the timing. They even let you miss a few payments here and then without a penalty. Yrefi.com is an amazing, amazing partner of this show. They're also an amazing partner of Turning Point usa. We're about to launch another campus tour with Charlie going all across the country. Why Refi is the partner that's helping fund that make that happen. And you guys know the impact that that has. So not only are they helping student loans and helping people with private student loan refinance or come up with a solution to get that off your back. They're actually putting their money where their mouth is and helping us go out on tour all across the country. So Please check out why refi.com or call today 888-Y-REFI 34. That's Y, R, E, F Y. And that is 888-YREFI 34 or go to yrefi.com to find out more. We're going to take that RFK hearing in just a second. It's a very explosive hearing. Lots going on. But essentially, just know this. There is institutional capture in our government. And what that means is big pharma and big medicine and big food. They hire the regulators. It's a revolving door. The regulators come out of those industries, then they go into government to regulate those industries the way that those industries want to be regulated. It's an incumbent advantage. It's crony capitalism. It's not free market. It's not in what's your best interest. And then sometimes they go back into those industries when they're done with government in RFK's calling them out. So we'll take that in just a second.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I just have to play this clip and I believe this is the right one. The. Yeah, I think this is the right one. Let's go ahead and play. Cut 439. 439.

[Senator Kennedy]

Last week you announced the COVID 19 vaccine is no longer approved for healthy people under the age of 65. In announcing the change, you said the vaccine will be available for anyone who wants it. Now, obviously, both things cannot be true at the same moment. Will you tell America that all adults and all children over 6 months of age are eligible to get a Covid booster at their local pharmacy today?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Anybody can get the booster.

[Senator Kennedy]

I'm sorry?

[Andrew Colvett]

Anybody can get it.

[Senator Kennedy]

Anybody. So you're saying that is now the official rule of hhs? Anybody is eligible to get a booster by just walking into the pharmacy?

[John Levine]

It's not recommended for healthy people?

[Senator Kennedy]

No, no. If you don't recommend, then the consequence of that in many states is that you can't walk into a pharmacy and get one. It means insurance companies don't have to cover the $200 or so cost.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

So that wasn't the best part of that clip, but it's fine. They end up getting into this explosive back and forth about, you know, essentially how Liz Warren is taking nearly a million dollars from big pharma and, you know, she's basically a Pfizer board member at this point. And they go back and forth because what RFK Jr is saying is absolutely spot on. He's not telling anybody that they can't get the COVID shot if they want to. All he's saying is that it is no longer Recommended. And yeah, maybe there's a little bit of state by state issues in which I can. But. But here's the problem. This is not 2022. If you want to go get a Covid shot, go get a Covid shot. The United States government does not need to be supplementing that. They do not need to be subsidizing that payment. There is no pandemic. There is no urgency. This is a absolute straw man argument. I can't stand it from Liz Warren. It's. She's a disgusting, disgusting, disgusting senator, in my humble opinion. And by the way, she's so shrill. It's so hard to listen to her. I can't stand it. Let's go one more here. I think. I think maybe this is the one. We'll see what clip this is.437.

[John Levine]

Are you saying that the MRNA vaccine has never been associated with myocarditis or pericarditis? I am simply trying to tell.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

I am simply trying to say that.

[Andrew Colvett]

The people that you have put on.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

That panel, after firing the entire question, you. No, I'm asking the questions here. I'm asking the questions. I'm asking the questions for Mr. Kennedy.

[John Levine]

On behalf of parents and schools and teachers all over the United States of America who deserve so much better than your leadership.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

That's what this conversation is about.

[John Levine]

Senator. Chairman. Senator.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

They deserve the truth, and that's what.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'Re going to give them for the.

[John Levine]

First time in the history of that agency.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

All right, so Senator Moderna is really upset that a board that oversees vaccines has been replaced because once again, it was big pharma institutional capture. That was, you know, previously on that board and RFK saying for the first time, we're actually going to get all this bias, all this politicization, all this money out of our medical establishment. And here's 440 is another good clip. But these are just fantastic. 440.

[John Levine]

Most Americans will be able to get.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

It from their pharmacy.

[Senator Kennedy]

The question is everyone who wants it. That was your promise.

[Andrew Colvett]

I never promised that I was going.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

To recommend products with which there is no indication.

[Senator Kennedy]

When you said, and I know you've.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Taken $855,000 from pharmaceutical companies, did you.

[Senator Kennedy]

Hold up a big sign saying that you were lying when you said that? Because you are the one who said you would not take them away. Now, Senator, I'm not taking them away from it. Secretary, You.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

You want me to indicate a product for which there is no clinical data?

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that what you want?

[Senator Kennedy]

Secretary Kennedy, you said you wouldn't and now you did.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm not taking them away.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Everybody can get access to them. You know, my. My favorite part. And he'll probably get trolled from the left, but my favorite part is, you know, he's got this speech kind of issue with his throat. It's some nerve condition. And he's just sitting on the mic kind of breathing. Like you hear him, like, like he's like, he's just growling at them. You know, he's just, like, really upset. And I. And I find that really enjoying. But RFK is not playing around today. Like, he's not putting up with this garbage anymore because you've got, like, the Pfizer board questioning him why he's not endorsing their products anymore. And he's saying there's no clinical justification to recommend the COVID shot to healthy individuals under 65, which is something we've been saying, we've been thinking. We've had multiple doctors on this show saying this since 2021, and yet here we are. So, you know, where's the empirical data, Senator Warren? You want everybody to have this Covid shot so that what that Pfizer can keep, you know, its stock price can keep shooting up like it did during COVID No, thank you. It's time to get transparency. It's time to get. Time to get institutional capture out of Washington, D.C. and RFK is delivering it. We have his back. 100%. 100 and extra percent. We'll be right back.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you list.

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As President Trump works to end deadly wars that are happening across the globe, he is simultaneously mounting a war against narco terrorists in Latin America. Both Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and Secretary of State Marco Rubio say that military operations against cartels will continue following Tuesday's strike on a Venezuelan boat that was allegedly carrying illegal drugs. Eleven people were killed as the president and other top administration officials watch the order being carried out. As you can see here, we're sealing the border.

[Andrew Colvett]

But President Trump is willing to go.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

On offense in ways that others have not been.

[Andrew Colvett]

And to send that clear signal to.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Trent, Aragua Cartel del Sols and others emanating from Venezuela. We're not going to allow this kind of activity.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're poisoning our people.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

We've got incredible assets and they are.

[Senator Kennedy]

Gathering in the region.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so you want to try to traffic drugs.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

It's a new day. It's a different day. And so those 11 drug traffickers are no longer with us, sending a very clear signal that this is an activity the United States is not going to tolerate in our hemisphere.

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And in other headlines, Florida is set to become the first state to end all state vaccine mandates. The move includes vaccine rules for kids to attend schools.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

It's wrong.

[Aaron Saberian]

It's immoral.

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They do not have the right to.

[Aaron Saberian]

Tell you what you put in your body.

[Andrew Colvett]

People, people have a right to make.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Their own decisions, informed decisions. You want to put, you know, whatever different vaccines in your body.

[John Levine]

God bless you. I hope you make an informed decision. You don't want to put whatever vaccines in your body. God bless you and I hope you make an informed decision.

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Governor Ron DeSantis says the effort coincides with the establishment of the Florida Maja Commission. He describes it as a working group that will recommend state level integration of Make America Healthy Again principles including individual medical freedom and parent rights. Initially, the Florida Department of Health plans to roll back mandates on about a half dozen vaccines under its authority. Beyond that, the department will work with the Republican majority Florida legislature on a broader package of reforms. Well, that's going to do it for your headlines. As always, we appreciate having you along for the ride. I'm Terrence Bates. Now let's get you back to your regularly scheduled programming.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

The Charlie Kirk show, where truth lives. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Andrew Colvitt in for Charlie Kirk, who's on assignment. Welcome Back to the Bitcoin.com mobile studio. I got a great guest up next. But before we get to John Levine from the Washington Free Beacon, I'm going to tell you about Hillsdale College, history, economics, the great works of literature. Did you study these things in school? Probably not. But even if you did, it's probably time for a refresher course. Hillsdale College is offering more than 40 free online courses, including their newest course on totalitarian novels. In this free eight lecture course, you'll learn from Hillsdale College President Larry Arn as he goes in depth on four incredibly important novels, 1984, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon and that Hideous Strength. Even though these novels were written in the 1930s and 40s, they're more relevant now than probably they've ever been before. More importantly, they can show us that faith, family and friends and country are worth fighting for. Maybe you read these books a long time ago. Maybe you've heard others talk about them and they seem a little intimidating. Let Hillsdale College help you make the most of them. Go right now to charlie for hillsdale.com to enroll. There's no cost. It's easy to get started. They're super high quality, really enjoyable. I've been taking them. That's charlie for hillsdale.com to register. C H A R L I e for hillsdale.com to find out more. All right. Without further ado, John Levine from the Washington Free Beacon. John, welcome to the show. You have been a mainstay in the media world for many, many years. I've run into you multiple Times over the years. You do fantastic work. You're always at the sort of front end of where the news cycle is going. And I thought you would just be perfect for this because Barry Weiss, formerly of the, the New York Times, she was on the. She was what? An opinion and editor at the New York Times. Then she leaves and starts the, the Free Press. And this is making a lot of news now in media circles. And I think it's worth diving into. What does it all mean? Because now we're hearing that Paramount CBS is buying her company for an undisclosed amount. But we know it's about maybe between 1 and $200 million. I mean, it feels like she just started the Free Press like two days ago and she's now selling it for one to two hundred million dollars. Tell us about, you know, Barry. You like Barry? Tell us about Barry Weiss, what they, what the mission of the Free Press was and why this is important in the media landscape. Space.

[John Levine]

Well, I mean, Barry is someone that comes out of opinion journalism. She, before the New York Times, she was at the Wall Street Journal. And then she went to the Times to, I think, you know, have slightly, slightly more conservative voices there. And from what I recall, it was just a very terrible experience. All of her colleagues kind of ganged up on her and they wouldn't talk to her. It was very high school type stuff. And she frequently, like, she would publish stuff and then she would face online harassment from her own colleagues in public. And the Times, of course, didn't really stand up for her. They never disciplined any of the offenders. And eventually she left and started her own, her own thing, the Free Press. And that was, I believe, 2022. And now two years later, it's worth $200 million, which I think is an incredible testament to what she's been able to accomplish in such a short time. And also about the gaping hole in the journalism marketplace that she identified and filled with, I think, very necessary content. And I'm not going to sit here and say I love every single thing the Free Press has ever published, but it's, it's really good stuff for the most part. And I'm not surprised at all to see Paramount willing to pay this nine figure sum.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah. And what they're really buying is the trust that, you know, Barry has cultivated. Now, I see some people hating on this. There's, there's a little, you know, people are suggesting it's not worth that. Maybe it's not. But what you're, what you're buying, to your point, John, is maybe Not a revenue stream. I don't know what Free Press revenues. I have no idea about their books. But what you're buying is that the filling in that gaping hole, right? Because you've got somebody with the pedigree of a Wall Street Journal and a New York Times. I mean, I don't think I am. I don't know Barry on a personal level at all. But I did get a couple calls from her over the years inviting Charlie to, to write certain things. We ended up passing on them. It wasn't the right fit. But even the fact that if you, if you think back at the time we were in, when I got those calls, it was a remarkable thing to get. Get a call from the New York Times and invite Charlie to do sort of like a guest column or something like that. Again, it was the wrong topic. It was the wrong, it was the wrong fit. But I still noted that I logged it. I said, geez, you know, she's out there at this establishment press institution inviting outside voices to participate in something that, you know, the Gray lady, the paper of record. That was a really big deal. And to your point, if people don't believe this is real, this kind of high school activity that happens in the newsrooms, it's very, very real. It's very real on college campuses. The few professors that we know that are conservatives, they get completely ostracized. They get put in a corner, they're not invited to social gatherings. I mean, it's really petty stuff. But again, the big takeaway here, though, John, is that she's filling a gap with CBS. She's going to now run CBS's newsroom. How big of a deal is that? Or at least, I mean, I think.

[John Levine]

Part of what makes. I mean, it's a huge deal. I mean, Barry, there's a lot of big, you know, media culture war divides that. I'll be frank. I think Barry's on the right side of, you know, are we going to put out fake accusations about Israel committing genocide or perpetrating a famine? This is not happening. This is, is not true. And every time they find some activist or, or some organization to insist this is happening, it turns out it's bogus. It's Qatar funded, it's whatever. And Barry's been on the front lines of ensuring that only accurate information has come out on the current war in Gaza, which I know is why a lot of people are very, very upset with her and opposed to her on the other side. And you're seeing a lot of false allegations about the Free Press all the time. But it's a big deal because when CBS acquires the Free Press and puts her in charge of the newsroom, it gives the imperature of a major media organization on the work she does. And it's, it's going to have a tremendous impact on the landscape of media in our country. And I think part of what makes the Free Press so valuable is the people, is the subscribers. I don't know how many subscribers Barry has, but it's probably in the hundreds of thousands, if not more. And, and these are, these are educated, sophisticated people. They're people who probably have money to spend and they're people that CBS wants to add to their broader audience. No question.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah. What do you think this says about kind of how the world has turned, John? I mean, you, like I said, you've been around the media landscape for a, for a long time now. You've seen the different iterations, the different vibe shifts that have happened. And you know, then you have this huge event on November 5, 2024. President Trump wins the popular vote, wins in an electoral landslide. And you have all these media groups, whether it be cnn, their ratings are in the, are in the tank. Msnbc, similar situation. Fox News is going strong. Real America's Voice, the Charlie Kirk show, we're going strong. Salem Radio Network that we're also on. Going strong. What is happening and what is the adjust? Is this the first domino to fall? I mean, I saw you post a funny, a funny meme on Twitter about, you know, the dominoes falling. And it's like Senator Cotton wants that op ed about. I actually forget it was something about the National Guard and it caused this huge, I mean, maybe go back to that moment, John, of that Senator Cotton op ed and then you. The meme is that she now becomes president someday, which I think we're maybe getting a little ahead of ourselves, but.

[John Levine]

I don't know, jumping ahead of the script. Right now she's only in charge of CBS News. Yeah, I think, look, as to what you just said, all, all the mainstream institutions, the ratings are in the toilet. Nobody's reading them, nobody's watching them. The Washington Post. I don't even know anyone reading the Washington Post, although they have no subscribers left. And the people who are going strong and gaining audience are Fox, Real America's Boys, Charlie Kirk and these alternative spaces. And I think Barry recognized that there were a lot of people, a lot of smart people who aren't necessarily like rabid right wing people, but they know they're being lied to. By the mainstream groups and the, the official media because they. Enough has sort of percolated out on alternative media like your show and others where, where a lot of smart people are like, wait a minute, why is CNN still saying this? I know this is not true because I saw this video and it's. I, I know this isn't true. I know I'm being lied to. And there was, there's no trust in media anymore and there is such a hunger for trustworthy new voices. And I think that Barry just has a lot of credibility, the Free Press has a lot of credibility in that space. And so much of what they publish is just debunking false narratives in mainstream press. And they do it in a very tasteful way, a very thoughtful way. Like they did a story on the, they say, oh, you know, Gaza is in famine. And they have all these, the, the press, most of the mainstream media has been showing all these photos of these, these children who allegedly are victims of famine, but every single one of them is suffering from some muscular diseases, disease, which causes them to have, you know, an appearance that might be misconstrued as famine. And, and, and Barry took that, the Free Press took that narrative apart so expertly and, and they do things like that that really cut through so much of the media bullshit and it provides such a valuable service. And I'm so happy for Barry and I'm so happy for all of the liberal tears that I have been personally on social media, you know, and I want more of them. They give me life.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

They, they energize us. Yes. They're. They're our life source. Yeah. I mean, the Free Press kind is like a right of center or maybe just center. I mean, I do think they do. They try and kind of go right down the middle, like almost like an NPR vibe, but it just like right down the center. It is kind of thoughtful. It's written by educated people, but that haven't lost their damn minds.

[John Levine]

Yeah, I mean, it's not a rabid right wing or left. It really is a centrist publication. And it's, I really think that like the real silent majority in our country is just normal people who don't want a screamer on either end.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I mean, listen, as a hardened partisan who has a very clear vision for what I want to happen in this country, I can appreciate the fact that we need centrist voices to sort of call balls and strikes even. You know, speaking of which, you know, Tom Cotton is a guy that we have serious foreign policy disagreements. I mean, Tom Cotton hasn't seen a foreign conflict. He doesn't think America needs to bomb or, you know, invade. But Tom Cotton is really good on crime. He's really good on domestic crime issues. And he, by the way, he's, he's going to be proven right and vindicated on some of the stuff that happened Even in Trump 1.0, I think. But, so this all started. Now, go back. We got a minute and a half here. John, what was this op ed that kind of started this whole domino effect with Tom Cotton?

[John Levine]

Tom Cotton op ed was I believe was called send in the troops. And it was calling on President Trump in the first term to send in the National Guard to quell BLM rioting in American cities. And this caused, I think Barry may have already left the, the New York Times by this point, but it caused this firestorm in the newsroom about this is putting black people in danger. And Nicole Hannah Jones of 1619 fame led the charge to end to, to criticize the paper publicly. This public staff revolt. And the Times, after initially defending the op ed, did a complete 180. I think there's now an editor's note that's longer than the op ed. It's still online. I urge you all to Google it. And they ultimately ended up like getting rid of several people in the op ed department and not even conservatives. I forget his name. But the op editor at the time had to go. He went to the Economist and Adam Rubenstein was a great guy. He was forced out and there was.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

A free press now.

[John Levine]

Yeah, and it's, it was, it was this weird seminal moment which no one even really remembers anymore.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

But no, it was, it's fascinating. I mean, it was basically, it was a newsroom tantrum by a bunch of millennials and gen zers that a sitting U.S. senator had the gall to write an op ed. I mean, just amazing. More with John Levine when we get back. Don't go anywhere.

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[Carol Markowitz]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normaly, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

The voice of generations is the Charlie Kirk show.

[Andrew Colvett]

You guys know how it works. Open mic. We're gonna be here for a couple hours, so get comfortable. So you would get rid of all borders?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

What species is the baby in the womb?

[Carol Markowitz]

It's a human.

[Andrew Colvett]

Therefore they should have human rights. No, he's a liar. You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. It's very clear by how you're acting. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day. You are doing something that is bigger than you. A lot of people. How we doing?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

I'm on the move like a runaway he'll turn it back up and cut the pace I do not care what the others say Listen, I told you that that did not come to play we about to take it to higher heights History's waiting when I arrive Today is the dawn of a new and I'm about to shuffle now they cannot hold me down when you won from your losses we came from the bottom and now we the bosses, the future we show us the what will you choose? If you give it your all, you got nothing to lose. All right, that's American Comeback tour dot com. The tour is starting next week. I can't wait. We're gonna have so much, so many new clips to show all of you. Those clips go viral, literally billions of views. That's why Charlie's in like south park and stuff. All right, I'd like to be able to say that this show that is responsible for all that it does contribute. But those clips, I will tell you. So, John, John Levine from the Washington Free Beacon. Please, before we have radio rejoin, tell us how people can follow you, what work you're you're currently engaged in. So the floor is yours, my friend.

[John Levine]

I am reachable at Levine, Jonathan. On X it's Levine, like Adam Levine and Jonathan Jo N A T H A N. It's my full name, Jonathan. And I'm working on a lot of different stuff, investigations mostly now for the Washington Free Beacon. Do a lot of work on Democrats, do a lot of work on nonprofits and woke stuff, DEI universities and, you know, anything that's not right. So, you know, if there's anything happening in your life, in your world, if you work in government and you're listening to this and something's not the way it should be, I'm very, very available.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yes. Send your scoops to, to John. He's trustworthy, he does great work. And I'll, it's, it's like Washington Free Beacon day at the Charlie Kirk Show. I'll tell you why when we get back. All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show here@the bitcoin.com mobile studio. Charlie's on assignment, but don't worry because an hour two, Charlie's going to be back and he's going to be interviewing Aaron Saberium, also from the Washington Free Beacon. I don't know that we've ever had a Washington Free Beacon reporter on the show. And today we have two. I don't know how that works. Well, I don't know how that works. Yeah, but you beat him, John. This is, we pre recorded that, but you somehow managed to beat him. So you can rub that in his face. So, John, I wanted to also talk to you about this because you're in media, you're in speech. Your whole, I mean you are, your institution is enshrined in the Constitution. And our friends from across the pond are having quite the little blow up. A comedian, Graham Linehan, was arrested when he gets back into the UK at the airport by five armed officers. And apparently this is for his anti transgender comments that he's made three, three tweets in particular we can bring up. First thoughts. Why is this such a big deal? Explain what's happening here, John.

[John Levine]

I mean, he, he went against the woke orthodoxies, he tweeted critically of trans. And he was met at the airport by 5, 5 armed security guards who proceeded to take him into custody. I mean, this is, this is exactly what Vice President Vance was talking about when he went to Europe. There is a crisis in free speech and free expression out there. You know, we have a first Amendment in our country. We take that for granted. They don't have those protections in Europe. You make a tweet that the, the board of Twitter doesn't like in England or something and you get arrested. And, and while this is happening, mind you, churches are being burned down in England and across the continent of Europe and we never hear about it. There are grooming gangs running wild in the UK which are. Are only rarely ever reported on and only a great effort and, and official authorities try to obfuscate news about that coming out. You know, you, you have.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

John, John, let me, let me pause you right there because again, you're the media expert here. This story was. The grooming gang specifically was, was largely an Elon Musk enterprise to kind of popularize it. But there was reporting on that. Explain some of these brave people within the UK that have, that have been trying to blow the whistle on this for years.

[John Levine]

Will of ordinary people to report on things like grooming gangs things and the church fires and a lot of other issues happening in Europe is out there. It's just the official institutions make it so, so difficult and even just to get things like court records in the UK are so much more difficult than in the United States. They make it very, very hard to just get the fundamental piece. You know, you can't run out with stuff you don't know. But they make it very, very hard to get official confirmation on anything. And the authorities appear to go to great lengths to defend or at least put shield from accountability.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

That's remarkable.

[John Levine]

While five armed officers are arresting a come for tweets. So it's a, it's. England is in a very, very bad way. And it really, you know, I, I love the United Kingdom. I'm a huge Anglophile. It.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Me too.

[John Levine]

It pains me to see that country subverting itself and, and turning its back on so many of its founding principles and institutions, many of which we just copied in our country. So I really hope they can get their act together.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah. So let's throw, let's throw up some of the tweets in question. Let's go put in 412 right in the center there. This is from Gran Linehan again. He's a comedian. He's transgressive by nature. Right. He says if a trans identified male is in a female only space, he is committing a violent, abusive act. This is a fact. This is literally nothing wrong with what he said. Make a scene, call the cops, and if all else fails, punch him in the balls. Which is funny.

[John Levine]

Look, I mean, I can get, I can figure out why he probably got in, what part of the tweet got him in trouble. At the end of the day, it's like, are we really arresting people with five officers for that? And it just, it speaks to a question of priorities for that country. Oh, I mean, you know, it is a violent act. I don't support anyone committing violence against anybody, but like, it is a violent act to, to be honestly, woman's face like that.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Well, you know, it reminds me of something Charlie got into some hot water for at one point where he basically said, listen, where are the dads protecting their daughters? And he was saying, hey, back in the 1950s, you would have had a line of dads blocking the bathroom or the locker room keeping people out. He wasn't calling for violence, but listen, he was saying, listen, there is a point where culture has had enough and we the people must stand up and do that. That is a uniquely American phenomenon, by the way, where we take things into our own hands. When we settled the west, we didn't have institutions there to protect us. People took their own initiative to protect their communities. And that's what we're talking about here. Final word to you, John, again, where can people follow you? Where can they see what you're up to? Last 20 seconds.

[John Levine]

First, self defense is not violence, number one. And number two, I am reachable on X at Levine Jonathan and I accept all tips and scoops and ideas that you may have from big wide world listening to this and I'm very available. So message me if anything's not going right in your world and we can.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Make this all right. Well, thank you so much, John. And your colleague Aaron Saberium is going to be on with Charlie an hour too. So thanks. Thanks so much. We'll see you soon.

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[Andrew Colvett]

Okay everyone, Andrew did a great job for hour one, but today for hour two, I want to have just one part one of our great interview I did recently with Aaron Saberium, investigative reporter at the Washington Free Beacons. In part one, we discuss his experience of Yale, how he became a journalist, the evolution of his political beliefs, some of his biggest stories, and more. It's a really interesting conversation. The full interview will be on the Charlie Kirk show podcast and members.charliekirk.com so enjoy this. Hey everybody, we have a very special conversation with you today. A very smart person who honestly deserves some of those awards they keep giving out to those fake journalists It's Aaron Saberian. Aaron, great to see you and meet you.

[Charlie Kirk]

Great to be here.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I've been following your work for a while and I want to go through some of your greatest hits because I have them here. But first I want to just kind of give you a chance to introduce yourself. You're an investigative reporter with the Washington Free Beacon, and you went to Yale.

[Charlie Kirk]

I did, I did.

[Andrew Colvett]

How did. So you go to Yale and you don't end up at the New York Times.

[Charlie Kirk]

Correct. So I came into Yale, moderate Democrat, and then kind of went through a series of sort of incremental radicalizing moments that pushed me. I don't know how far right they pushed me, but they definitely pushed me further and further right. And by 2020, I certainly felt more comfortable within right wing institutions than left wing ones.

[Andrew Colvett]

What, what were those radicalizing events?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so, I mean, there were really two at Yale. The first is that Yale has this thing called the Yale Political Union, which is comprised of all these little kind of. Of debating societies, political parties. And I came in thinking, well, I'm a moderate Democrat, so I'll join the party of the left. Right? That's what good Democrats do. But their first resolution of the term was resolved, abolish the police. And this was in 2014, mind you. So kind of a little before Michael Brown. It was. Yeah, I think it was before 15, if I'm. Yes, it was before Michael Brown. So at the time I just thought, well, that's stupid. No one's ever gonna take that seriously. Right. Whereas.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or make it policy.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, exactly. Whereas the Conservative party, which is another one of them, was debating resolve that Socrates deserved to die. And I remember seeing that and thinking, that's interesting. And I've never thought to ask that question. These guys seem cool. I'm gonna hang out with them.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's a much more thought provoking question.

[Charlie Kirk]

Exactly. So right at the start, it just seemed like there was a sort of vibrancy to the conservative intellectual scene that was lacking on the left. And then the second big radicalizing moment was there were all these protests in 2015 over cultural appropriation, Halloween costumes. There's a famous video in which at the time he was an administrator. He got encircled in the courtyard of one of the residential colleges at Yale and basically accosted. I mean, he wasn't physically hurt, but he was surrounded by these jeering students who were saying, you haven't made this a safe space. You know, this is supposed to be a home free speech, doesn't matter. So on and so forth. And then things just kind of spiraled out of control from there. And I guess the Maybe sort of 2.5 radicalizing moment is that during that time, I was the opinion editor of the Yale Daily News, the campus paper. And so I had to sit there and field all of the op EDS from. I mean, of all sides of the campus debate, but from the protesters. And it's like I remember sitting next to a girl editing her piece that was literally arguing that demands for rational debate were a form of white supremacy designed to police the emotionality of women of color. And in some ways, the creepiest part of all this is that this girl, I had a class with her, she's not a dumb girl at all. She's very, in terms of just raw iq, very smart. But she was saying this just absolute. And I kind of had to sit there and pretend that I thought it was a valuable perspective and edit it and say, yes, yes, your voice matters, and edit it, make it better. But, yeah, seeing up close what the alleged best and brightest actually thought was pretty radicalizing.

[Andrew Colvett]

And now she's probably like a circuit court judge or something.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I'm not sure exactly what she's doing now, but, I mean, I know she went to law school, so that's. You never know.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I know she's like an FBI agent or something. But, no, that's, I think, is an important thing to spend a little bit of time on, is that that this was not University of Wisconsin, Madison, no offense to them, but this is. This is the pipeline for our nation's decision makers.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right, right. There was the south park episode that kind of made fun of you a little. Yeah, it was great. Well, but what I thought was funny, you know, the students in that episode, the fake students, you know, are trying to defend abortion rights or whatever and say kind of normal, liberal things. Honestly, what they're saying in south park, the kind of fake, you know, parodies of liberal students, is a lot more reasonable than what the kids at Yale were actually saying in 2015. Right. It's not like they were saying, well, you know, woman's right to choose, and who are you to decide when life begins? No, I mean, this was full on, you know, you cannot debate anything or disagree with any minority or you're racist. I mean, and it really. The sort of Fox News caricature was, in fact, accurate. I mean, there really was no daylight between how I think kind of conservative media portrayed those kids and how they.

[Andrew Colvett]

Were behaving horrifying because so many of them are now in places of power. Has it gotten worse or better since 2014 at Yale?

[Charlie Kirk]

It probably. I would assume that in 2020 it got pretty bad. I think it kind of recovered a bit post 2015. Then 2020 probably hit a mid year and then. And you know, now with Trump in office, I expect that there is slightly more intellectual freedom in the classroom. I do get the sense conservative kids on campus are a bit more involved in. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I would assume so. I will also tell you that the undergrad, as bad as that was, was never as crazy as Yale Law School, which went through a period of just absolute insanity. Where from what my friends who attended it told me it really was like Soviet Communism.

[Andrew Colvett]

I know you're not a Yale historian, but I mean, you do know the institution. William F. Buckley obviously wrote God man in Yale. I think that was the title.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Where for our audience that doesn't quite follow this, but knows its problem, where did this come from? Why is it that Yale would get to a place where you have to feel the not bad, where someone says, I wrote down like that, basically I should be able to dismiss or have a higher elevation of my opinion based solely on immutable characteristics. Where. Where does that come from? And how. How is that? Why has that been taken seriously at our nation's elite?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, that's obvious. I mean, we could have a hour or two hour conversation just about that question. I will say what I observed was that it was not the majority of students who actually believed that, but there was kind of massive preference falsification. So one of.

[Andrew Colvett]

What does that mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

So, so people would just. Just pretend to go along with it. Right. And would never pretend to believe it. And one very illustrative example is that as the opinion editor of the ydn, I also had to write sort of the editorial that was the paper's position. And we would have meetings where we would decide what the paper's position should be. And during the meeting where we were supposed to decide what to say about the protests, it became clear right away that if you spoke up and said, hey, I think this is going too far, what about free speech? You were going to immediately be shouted down as a racist. And so no one did. But I had people come up to me afterwards and say, after we had basically democratically, quote, unquote, decided to vote to endorse the protests, a lot of people told me, look, I didn't really agree with that. I have issues with the protests, but I felt like I couldn't speak. Yeah, I remember one girl in particular literally said that almost verbatim to me.

[Andrew Colvett]

So much of this is just third grade peer pressure that just gets elevated. And that's shouldn't be too surprising.

[Charlie Kirk]

And you mentioned the New York Times earlier. I mean, some of these students, without naming names, did in fact go on to work at the New York Times.

[Andrew Colvett]

Or the Washington Post.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Which I know some of them. Yes. Right. Which then I could name their names. Right, right. Which then like five years later had its own kind of struggle sessions during George Floyd.

[Andrew Colvett]

So, yeah, I mean, that's. So talk more about that again.

[John Levine]

I didn't.

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't want to spend too much time on this. But what they do in the college campus doesn't stay there. It metastasizes into the next institution.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, yes. It metastasizes into media. And medicine is another big one. I mean, all of them, really, corporate America. But I think medicine is. That is a story that has not fully, I think, been appreciated. Just.

[Andrew Colvett]

How, how.

[Charlie Kirk]

So I did a lot of reporting in.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have these stories, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so.

[Andrew Colvett]

But keep going.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so I had a lot of. Did a lot of reporting in late 20, 20, 21, early 2022, about the effort to ration Covid drugs based on race.

[John Levine]

We have it right here.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's one of your best, by the way. You deserve huge credit. I remember we covered this for days. Keep going.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And so, I mean, these ideas about kind of race based redistribution that we're inculcating in the academy did not stay confined to a critical race theory seminar at Harvard Law School. I mean, they became government policy in not just a city or county, but in multiple US States.

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Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markoway. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

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[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

What species is the baby in the womb?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a human.

[Andrew Colvett]

Therefore they accept human rights.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

No, he's a liar.

[Andrew Colvett]

You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. It's very clear by how you're acting. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day. You are doing something that is bigger than you. A lot of people. How we doing?

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

I'm gonna move like a runaway no, turn it back up it got the pace I do not care what the others say Listen, I told you that I did not come to play we about to take it to higher heights History's waiting when I arrive Today is the dawn of a new and I'm about to shuffle now they cannot hold me down when you won't win now you learn from your losses we came from the bottom and now we the bosses the future is yours so what will you choose?

[Andrew Colvett]

If you give it your all, you.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Got nothing to lose.

[Charlie Kirk]

These ideas about kind of race based redistribution that were inculcating in the academy did not stay confined to a critical race theory seminar at Harvard Law School. I mean, they became government policy. And in not just a city or county, but in multiple US states, at least three New York, Utah and Minnesota all had these race conscious triage schemes where basically the way it worked was that if you were not white, you automatically got two extra points added to your Covid risk score. And two points was about the same weight they would give to things like obesity or diabetes. And so if you held everything else equal, the non white person was gonna win every time. And there was really very, I mean there was not any serious scientific argument that, you know, this was an exact way to quantify risk or that all non white people were really at, you know, that much more risk of developing serious Covid. I mean this was all nonsense, but they did it anyway and they only stopped after I reported on it. And then people threatened to sue them.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I have this story. I mean it's incredible. So just to be clear, that life saving Covid drugs were given in a rationed way against white people to prefer black or Latino people, or as they say, Latinx ethnicity.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yup, yup, And I would note too that it literally in some of these schemes just lumped in, in every single person who wasn't white. Which like even if you thought that maybe one particular racial group for some genetic reason was at a much higher risk of COVID and there could be some reason why we really should take that into account, that's not what they were doing. They were just saying, well all of these groups which in fact had very different rates of COVID mortality, they're all not white. So we'll just kind of create a category for non white.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. So that it says here in your story in Minnesota.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yep.

[Andrew Colvett]

Health officials have devised their own ethical framework that prioritizes black 18 year olds over white 64 year olds for Covid drugs. Now I think this was monoclonal antibodies, if I'm not mistaken, which actually was a very effective.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Treatment. Remember this was in January 2022. So we're about a year and a half into the whole thing. And monoclonal antibodies were very promising immediate developments to kind of. To help. So this is not just some trivial thing, but an 18 year old black kid in downtown Minneapolis, like an 18 year old Somalian kid could get monoclonal antibodies easier than a 64 year old veteran that fought in Vietnam.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So holding constant all of their health conditions. Right, that's true. But of course the thing is that age was the biggest predictor of COVID mortality by far.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes, but they're using race.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, but they.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I mean, I really want to dwell on this for a second. How is this possible? I mean, how did we as a country, thankfully, I want to get into that in a second. Have we actually turned the page on it? But this, this parasitic ideology, whatever I call it, woke mind virus, whatever, it went into medicine where we are less likely to give out life saving drugs just because of some sort of oppression framework we're working from.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of reasons why it became such a powerful force in medicine. One of them is that the field of public health kind of from its inception was, was based in sort of what you might call proto woke premises. Right. Because the whole idea behind public health. Right. Is that there are social forces that affect the spread of disease. Now of course that's true and uncontroversial at a sufficient level of generality. But you can see how if that's your mindset to look for social forces that influence epidemiological patterns or influence the spread of disease, you're going to be more open to These kinds of DEI critical race theories that prescribe rationing drugs based on race. Right. I think that's one reason. And then the other. And again, this is a little more speculative, but I, I get the sense that to become a doctor you have to jump through all of these hoops and it may select for a certain kind of person who's smart, but perhaps also somewhat conformist and just as willing to kind of do whatever the check whatever boxes they're told to check. And unlike, say, law, which has its own problems, but at least in law, doing legal training, there's some emphasis on getting the other side debating. There's nothing like that in medicine. So I just think medicine hasn't developed really any antibodies against wokeism.

[Andrew Colvett]

How did you find this story?

[Charlie Kirk]

Someone, I think it might have been Carol Markowitz. The journalist. Yeah. She tweeted about New York's and I just thought, huh, I wonder if any other states are doing this. And so I basically just started googling. This was before ChatGPT. So I just started googling trying to find other examples. And I found this is perhaps the most scandalous part. This was all public. I mean, they didn't even try to hide it.

[Andrew Colvett]

They thought, you know, that's right. So the CDC said high risk states that, quote, systemic health and social inequities have put minorities at increased risk. So it's the, it's the systemic racism is the reason why they're dying.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And there was also this, this guidance the FDA put out that said race could be a risk factor.

[Andrew Colvett]

Be right back with Aaron. Let me know your thoughts on this episode. Freedomarliekirk.com.

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Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you list.

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Gathering in the region. And so you want to try to traffic drugs.

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It's a new day. It's a different day. And so those 11 drug traffickers are no longer with us, sending a very clear signal that this is an activity the United States is not going to tolerate in our hemisphere.

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It's immoral.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, and there was also this, this guidance the FDA put out that said race could be a risk factor. And again, you know, in some sense, like, yes, it's true that there were statistical correlations between race and code 19 mortality, but is it factoring for all.

[Andrew Colvett]

The other variables though.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, no, probably not.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that's because, I mean, this is not a racist thing to say, but black Americans tend to be more overweight in the, you know, 40s or 50s, especially black women, than their counterparts.

[Charlie Kirk]

So that's.

[Andrew Colvett]

And that's just, that's just a statistical fact.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, yes. And. And there's also probably difference. I mean, there's also class differences. Right. Of course.

[Andrew Colvett]

I'm not judging.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Like, I think, I mean, one thing that's interesting is actually one of the stats states Utah later claimed that one of the reasons they abandoned this scheme is that it wasn't even working to get the drugs to minorities. And reading between the lines. Right. And of course that wouldn't make it okay, but I.

[Andrew Colvett]

The whole premise is so sinister, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes, yes, yes. But I would just point out that, you know, it may well have been that the problem here was that, you know, the people they wanted to get the drugs to just weren't coming in the door. And so all they really ended up doing was kind of erecting barriers for white people. It didn't even do accomplish Utah.

[Andrew Colvett]

80% or 90%, but 10% are like Polynesian. I mean, they have like very small black population.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, they're, they're. Yeah. And if your goal was to reach them, there probably were ways you could have done it. But sort of this crude scheme of racial preferences was not.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, it's very. I mean, this is somewhat of like a really cruel and dark thought experiment. You could imagine a philosophy professor or a morality ethics professor saying, what if I had a life saving drug? How should we distribute it to the population? You know what I mean?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's kind of what was on display. And he's like, let's have a discussion about it today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

And you see how that is actually put in practice.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

And it was this fact sheet from what is so trovimab, that's one of the monoclonal antibodies. Okay, got it.

[Show Host (Andrew Colvett or Charlie Kirk Show Host)]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, got it. So you report this, which is just obviously like a ridiculous violation of the Civil Rights Act. Right. Which has its problems, but. And then they back off. And Minnesota and Utah Health. Utah, that's a red state.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really amazing how even in red states this stuff has spread very far. You see this in universities too, where people have this idea that the DEI programs are much worse at Ivy League schools than they are at public schools in red states. That is not true. There's another journalist named John Saylor who's done really good FOIA work, FOIAing just all of these red state universities and they put things in writing like we don't want to hire a white man. I mean that's how explicit it is. And that's in red states. So it's. Yes, it really. Any kind of. This is a bit of an overgeneralization but. But generally institutions that are not directly subject to the levers of electoral power or that state governments have kind of taken a hands off approach to that. It got its hooks in to all of them. Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is that. What is it about Wokeism? I hate that term because it's overused. That it just has to keep on infecting, has to keep on spreading. You guys control enough already. Control Hollywood, you control the schools, you control the music, you control, you control the NFL, but you also have to control our monoclonal antibody distribution.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's like, it's almost a. It's like an Islamic ummah. You know the ummah in Islamic theology is like the all covering of God. It's like wokeism must cover all society.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Well, I mean one thing about wokeism is that it doesn't really acknowledge kind of a. The distinction between the public and private sphere. Right. You hear people say everything is political. Right. And so all the institutions of civil society are seen as sites of political contestation. I think that's a big part of it. Look, another. This is changing now, but for a while when civil rights law was exclusively really used by the left as kind of a tool of social engineering, that was another thing. Right. There were, there were legal pressures that I think helped accelerate and reinforce the WOKE takeover. I don't want to reduce it all to that, but like, you know, hostile environment complaints. Right. Do create incentives for corporations to censor speech and to do these sorts of trainings that morph into dei. I do think that is changing now because there are new civil rights enforcers in town and they have adopted a very different interpretation of the civil rights laws. And so we're seeing now that civil rights law does not necessarily have to lead to wokeness. But I think that until the right sort of seized the levers of the civil rights state and started using it very aggressively, it just. The civil rights bureaucracies were all populated by progressives and that was a big kind of bureaucratic mechanism that pushed.

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Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean. And part of the civil rights regime is built on disparate impact, which is.

[John Levine]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Can you comment on that?

[Charlie Kirk]

That. Yes, I think that's a big problem. So for, for many years, you Know, although quotas were officially outlawed, there was this concept called disparate impact, which was that if you do a kind of race blind test, employment test, but it has a disparate impact. You know, more whites than blacks pass the test, then the test, unless you can prove like beyond a reasonable doubt basically, that it is sort of inessential, that it is like, you know, inextricably tied to the job qualifications and that this is really the only way to assess people. Unless you can prove that, which is very high bar. The test was basically unlawful. Right. And was considered discriminatory. And now that is starting to be changed because President Trump has issued an executive order revoking one of his most important. Yep. Going after disparate impact, it's possible that some of the Supreme Court cases that of kind, kind of solidified this concept will get overturned depending on what the litigation is. But yeah, I mean, for many years there was this, this phrase called goals and timetables where the government would say, well, you know, you don't have to, you don't have to adopt quotas. You just have to have goals and a timetable for reaching them. And, you know, if you don't, that could be evidence of unlawful discrimination. We're not saying it is evidence. It just could be. And so, of course, in practice, that means that you kind of do have to have at least some approximate racial balance, which leads to some of these discriminatory policies.

[Andrew Colvett]

Continuing on the whole medical theme, you have another story that was published in May of last year, which is a failed medical school. How racial preferences supposedly outlawed in California have persisted at ucla.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

So this is kind of connecting. This is a. What happened at ucla.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. So at ucla, to my knowledge, this is maybe the first time this has ever happened, that multiple members of the admissions committee basically came to me and told me anonymously about the affirmative action they were doing and provided various emails and even some internal data that kind of backed up that there was a lot of racial preferences going on. And the reason they came forward was that they A, just thought it was intrinsically unjust. But B, they were really worried because they were seeing medical students start to really fail basic tests of medical competence and show up to their clinical rotations not knowing anything.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not knowing anything.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's what one of them told me almost verbatim. And I would note that none of the whistleblowers, I would say, struck me as particularly concerned. I mean, I don't think anyone involved in this story or wearing MAGA hats.

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

No one who was worried about this was wearing a MAGA hat. I'm sure they all voted for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, or almost all of them did. Right. But they were worried because they just saw kids showing up and they couldn't, you know, name basic arteries and stuff. And they were.

[Andrew Colvett]

They didn't know how to put the catheter in.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right, right. And they were failing these things called the shelf exams, which you take after each clinical rotation. There were some cohorts where like 50% of the kids would fail. And that had never happened before. There was a huge spike in the failure rate on these exams. And this all happened after a kind of new dean of admissions came in and really pushed the DEI very aggressively.

[Andrew Colvett]

So your reporting says up to half of UCLA medical students now fail basic tests of medical competence.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, yeah, it's not half of all UCLA medical students. What it is is basically they're in each clinical rotation. It's a little hard to explain it. Basically. Basically there were certain classes at ucla, certain rotations where like half of the kids in that small cohort were failing. And, you know, and then you also see that the overall failure rate goes from like very low to something closer to like 20 or 25%. So there's a change over time. So, you know, look, probably the average graduate of UCLA medical school is still very good, but there are far more people who are not up to snuff than there used to be. And that's really what those statistics are capturing.

[Andrew Colvett]

What are the implications of this?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, well, you know, the obvious one is, well, you know, someone, they.

[Andrew Colvett]

Take out your appendix, your kidney instead of your appendix.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, you know, that's the kind of nightmare. That's the nightmare scenario. I mean, I mean, the other thing that may happen is that some of the folks graduated. They may be good enough to be very basic kind of primary care doctors and competent at sort of more basic fields of medicine, but they're not going to go into high level research. And the problem with that is part of how medicine advances. And what these schools are supposed to do is to be engines of medical innovation. And so if all of the schools do this sort of heavy affirmative action and fewer and fewer of the graduates are really qualified to do the kind of cutting edge research that pushes the frontiers of medicine forward. You know, you may not see, it's not necessarily that the surgeons are gonna like kill you. I mean, that might happen. But I think that's, that's probably not really the main concern, at least in the immediate term. The deeper concern is that you just see this kind of slow and hard to quantify, but nonetheless very real decline in kind of the quality of academic.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, but we all see it. I mean, I had friends in Cedars Sinai Hospital, and they might have graduates from the UCLA Medical School. Is the UCLA Medical School good? Is it considered to be competitive?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's considered very competitive, yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

And so I've seen at Cedars Sinai, some of these nurses are kind of like space cadets at times. I don't want to insult them. You have to wonder, I mean, and everybody knows this, that the quality of hospital care has gone down the last 20 years. It's just. Just anecdotally.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And the other thing, I would say too, that there's another dynamic here, which is Maybe only say 20% of the kids are really struggling and the rest are fine. But because you don't want to flunk those bottom 20%, you have to make the classes easier for everyone to avoid the bottom 20% flunking out so the top kids don't get the same quality of education. So they might still be good, but they won't be as good.

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Yeah. And the other thing, I would say too, that there's another dynamic here, which is Maybe only say 20% of the kids are really struggling and the rest are fine. But because you don't want to flunk those bottom 20%, you have to make the classes easier for everyone to avoid the bottom 20% flunking out. And so the top kids don't get the same quality of education. So they might still be good, but they won't be as good. And so there's this kind of progressive mediocritization of the medical profession driven by this sort of bottom 20% dragon kids.

[Andrew Colvett]

So I have to read this. This is one of my favorite paragraphs. I just saw this led by Lucero, who you introduced earlier in the piece. She also serves. Or I think it's she as the. I think it's she, right. As the vice chair of the Equity, Diversity and inclusion of. Of UCLA's anesthesiology department.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

So let me just understand this. So the practice of administering general anesthesia, which is incredibly important. People die way too much. And thankfully we're one of the leaders in the world. What is the. It says the admissions committee routinely gives black and Latino applicants a pass for subpar metrics for people who served on it said while whites and Asians need perfect scores to be considered, what is the like steel, man, that argument for me, why does an anesthesiology department need a DEI office?

[Charlie Kirk]

That argument's pretty hard to steal, man. I mean, I mean, at some point.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, you're super smart. You went to Yale. You're part of the debate club. What is the argument for that? We're trying to figure, you know, we need your body weight. We need to figure out how long, you know, the mixture of these very, very powerful chemicals.

[Charlie Kirk]

The argument you would hear is that somehow the white anesthesiologist will murder the black person. Maybe we have implicit bias, and so if we don't correct the implicit biases, we won't really get the most qualified anesthesiologist. Yeah. Look like it's silly. It's silly.

[Andrew Colvett]

It just collapses. But this you pointed on something. So implicit bias, that would be their argument, probably. Or their argument would be like, hey, a white anesthesiologist, they don't know the struggle of a black woman they're about to put under. And so, you know, she needs someone that knows the struggle of being a black woman. I'm sorry, you're administering drugs to go under surgery. Don't you want the best?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, but definitionally, don't you want you can die under general anesthesia?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's very high stakes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. Yes. I mean, and this has always been the kind of canonical argument against racial preferences. Right. Well, you know, do you care if your surgeon is black?

[Andrew Colvett]

But it's, like, in front of us. It's not.

[Charlie Kirk]

I know, I know. There's another detail in the story where she apparently, according to at least one or two people, said that. So when they do residency admissions, which is a different thing, that's for when they're actually admitting, basically, like trainee doctors who already graduated medical school, they have this sort of rank list of who they want to admit. And she advocated for bumping a white candidate down many slots because she thought, well, we already have enough white people. And I think that ultimately was reversed. But still, I mean, she was explicitly saying we should, you know, move the rank of different candidates around based on race to do. And these. And the residents would be actually performing anesthesiology. So.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I just. Again, of all the places, I have a DEI office. If you want to have the DEI office at the Department of Labor, I'm gonna fight that. But you can maybe make, like, a strong anesthesiology.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Not. Not where I would put it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Not. Not where I would put it. That's if anything, other than making sure the patient wakes up is the mission statement of anesthesiology department, no. Good. After a Native American applicant was rejected in 2021, Lucero chewed out the committee and made members sit through a two hour lecture on Native history. What is this all about? So there was a struggle session administered by this DEI anesthesiology czar.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I guess so. And I think that struggle session was. Was, if I remember right, by her sister.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, that's right. I'm sorry, Sorry. Native American history delivered by her own sister.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so I. Yeah. And again, you know, it's also. This is the other thing. It's just a time suck too. Like some race. I mean, you know, we haven't even gotten to what they did to their curriculum at ucla, which was to make all the kids take a required structural racism and health equity class. And in that class, I mean, they, they literally learned. One of the readings said that fatphobia was medicine status quo and said that the concept of obesity enacts violence on fat people.

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