The Charlie Kirk Show, September 5, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show — Real America’s Voice

iHeartPodcasts | September 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode, guest-hosted by Andrew Colvett, explores urgent topics in American politics, culture, and policy. Major themes include the immigration crisis in Illinois and Chicago, shifts in federal immigration enforcement, economic policy and tech advancement, crime and urban policy, media bias, and the state of higher education and anti-Semitism. Notable guests include Joe Edlow (USCIS director under Trump), investigative reporter William J. Kelly, and journalist Aaron Sibarium. The tone is combative, unapologetically populist, and focused on challenging the mainstream narrative through the lens of "America First" values.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immigration Crisis in Illinois & Sanctuary Cities

• Chicago and Illinois as Immigration Flashpoints ([00:21]–[04:00])

  • Andrew Colvett and panel predict sanctuary cities will be forced to confront the consequences of their policies.
  • Assertion: The Trump administration is preparing to deploy the Texas National Guard to Chicago, anticipating legal battles with state and city officials.
  • Criticism of Illinois' approach: Refusal to cooperate with federal authorities is portrayed as irresponsible and self-serving.

  Notable Quote:

  • “The Trump plan is to use any excuse to deploy armed military personnel to Chicago... This is not about violent crime. And I don't think we should pretend that this manufactured crisis and his attempt to provoke people in Chicago is legitimate exercise of power. It is not.” — Andrew Colvett ([01:10])

• Call for Cooperation Over Confrontation

  • Suggestion that Governor Pritzker and the Mayor of Chicago should work with federal authorities constitutionally and collaboratively.
  • Critique of rhetoric for prioritizing "dignity" while neglecting public safety.

• Gun Violence Rooted in Policy and Geography ([03:06])

  • Illegal guns in Chicago come predominantly from "red states" — Indiana, Mississippi, Louisiana.

  Notable Quote:

  • "We will never be able to end gun violence in Chicago as long as the president continues to allow tens of thousands of guns to be trafficked into our state and our city." — Andrew Colvett ([03:08])

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2. Immigration Policy Reform: Guest Interview with Joe Edlow (USCIS Director)

• USCIS Launches Armed Investigative Force ([06:40]–[14:37])

  • Joe Edlow announces breaking news: USCIS will hire armed agents to pursue large-scale immigration fraud, emphasizing not only immigrants but also lawyers and document preparers enabling fraud.
  • This move is pitched as restoring integrity and accountability.

  Notable Quote:

  • “…by targeting the lawyers who are scamming the system, [you] have a much broader and more immediate impact.” — Andrew Colvett ([07:36])
  • "I'm not trying to tell my officers to deny. I'm not telling them to grant. I am telling them to make sure that the law is followed." — Joe Edlow ([11:45])

• Legal Immigration “F” Grade Under Biden

  • Edlow criticizes the “rubber stamp” mentality of the Biden administration, claims a lack of vetting for values and assimilation.
  • USCIS will scrutinize public charge criteria and ramp up English proficiency enforcement for citizenship.

  Notable Quote:

  • "It was an F when I found it. The legal immigration system is critical to this country, but it's gotta work. It can't work when it's overwhelmed." — Joe Edlow ([09:46])

• Citizenship and Assimilation Standards

  • Edlow supports raising the bar for English proficiency in citizenship, more dynamic interviews.
  • Naturalization test reform and stricter checks for dependence on public benefits.

  Process explained: Non-citizen green card holders denied citizenship for “soft” reasons (e.g., English) are not deported unless other violations emerge.

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3. Economy, Tech, and AI Policy: The ‘AI Dinner’ with Trump and Silicon Valley

• AI Leadership as US Strategic Advantage ([18:10]–[22:18])

  • Recap of Trump’s AI Dinner: Attendees included Sam Altman (OpenAI), Tim Cook (Apple), Google, AMD, Meta, Bill Gates.
  • America's ability to “lead the world in AI” is credited to innovative policies and strategic export controls on high-tech chips to China.
  • Trump administration’s negotiations ensure that China receives only older and degraded chips, preserving US advantage.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “We're very grateful to be able to build our company here, to build data centers here, to build the entire AI industry and lead the world in the United States.” — Sam Altman ([20:46])
  • “How much money will you be investing? 600 billion.” — Tim Cook & Charlie Kirk ([22:10])

• Economic Indicators

  • Record-high capital expenditures and business investment are highlighted as signals of economic success.
  • “Capital expenditures are extraordinarily high and up. There is so much good economic news that is just at the very tip of getting started.” — Andrew Colvett ([22:18])

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4. Chicago Crime, Politics, and Reporter William J. Kelly on the Ground

• Political Theater vs. Public Safety ([28:33]–[32:22])

  • William J. Kelly connects Illinois Governor Pritzker’s ambitions to White House aspirations and critiques him for policies like the “Safety Act” (ending cash bail for violent criminals).
  • cites shocking case: release of an accused killer Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez under the Safety Act.

  Notable Quotes:

  • "He's hurting the people of Chicago and the people of Illinois in order to benefit himself politically, which I think is going to backfire." — Andrew Colvett ([30:45])
  • "He is an illegal alien. He is charged with concealing and abusing the corpse of an Illinois mother of two." — William J. Kelly ([31:24])

• Scale of the Crisis

  • Conservative estimate: 500,000 illegal immigrants in Chicago—a huge burden on housing, schools, city services.
  • Cross-party calls (David Axelrod, Joe Scarborough) for city/state leaders to accept federal help.

  Notable Quote:

  • "Crime is like a 90/10 issue… recent poll came out—that's 99%. People think it's either a serious problem in urban centers or at least somewhat of a problem." — Andrew Colvett ([33:03])

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5. Campus Culture, Higher Education, and Anti-Semitism: Aaron Sibarium Interview

• Elite University Scandals & Racial Preferences ([52:47]–[61:51])

  • Sibarium, investigative journalist, discusses his work exposing racial discrimination and “rubber stamp” DEI policies at places like UCLA and Harvard Law Review.
  • Reports on explicit racial preferences in admissions and publication, e.g., diversity of authors and even citations is considered at Harvard Law Review.

  Notable Quotes:

  • "To get published in the Harvard Law Review, you have to have half your authors be basically [of color]." — Andrew Colvett ([59:34])
  • "I generally like to publish as many primary source documents as possible because... you can look at the entire tranche of documents, right? You judge for yourself." — Aaron Sibarium ([61:21])

• Harvard's Claudine Gay Scandal

  • Sibarium’s reporting contributed to exposing plagiarism by Harvard’s president (now resigned), and the pervasive influence of DEI in undermining academic standards.

• Pushback Against “Anti-Semitism Trainings” ([75:10]–[79:46])

  • Rejects calls to expand DEI to protect Jews, seeing it as backfiring and ineffective.
  • Argues true solution is consistent, content-neutral law enforcement and rolling back “oppressor/oppressed” campus ideology.

  Notable Quotes:

  • "The way you get rid of the problem is by admitting students who actually want to study and are not scholar activists who are going to go out and take over public spaces and violate laws. It's really an admissions problem." — Charlie Kirk ([75:10])
  • "You want to make people just think Israel's cool? Talk about Krav Maga, talk about the badass stuff that comes out of Israel." — Charlie Kirk ([90:07])

• Rising Antisemitism: Root Causes

  • Attributed to demographic changes, ideological imports, loss of religious/philosophical “pro-Jewish consensus,” and unrestrained campus activism.

  Notable Quotes:

  • “…Enforcing the laws evenly and just holding everyone to the same standards, I think you do end up solving a lot of the problem… Getting rid of DEI is good, that's very fundamental.” — Charlie Kirk ([91:26])

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Notable Quotes by Segment

| Segment | Speaker | Quote | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Chicago & Sanctuary Cities | Andrew Colvett | “The Trump plan is to use any excuse to deploy armed military personnel to Chicago..." | 01:10 | | Immigration Fraud Enforcement | Joe Edlow | “We are going to be working on arresting the lawyers that help them break the law.” | 06:40 | | Immigration System Grade/Faults | Joe Edlow | "It was an F when I found it. ... It can't work when it's overwhelmed.” | 09:46 | | English Proficiency in Citizenship | Joe Edlow | "[Officers should] ask questions, say, do you understand what you’re being asked right now?" | 13:08 | | US AI Leadership | Sam Altman | "We're very grateful to be able to build our company here, to build the entire AI industry…” | 20:46 | | Apple Investment | Tim Cook | “How much money will you be investing? 600 billion.” | 22:10 | | Pritzker’s Political Ambitions | William J. Kelly | "Everything that he's doing right now ... he thinks it's going to get him the White House." | 28:36 | | Migration-Borne Crimes | William J. Kelly | "He is an illegal alien. He is charged with concealing and abusing the corpse..." | 31:24 | | On Harvard Law Review’s Racial Rubrics | Aaron Sibarium | “They are not selecting articles just based on merit or subject matter diversity, but explicitly based on both the author's race and in many cases the race of the authors cited in the footnotes.” | 58:57 | | On Fighting Antisemitism with More DEI | Charlie Kirk | “I think that's gonna backfire for lots of reasons. ... DEI’s worldview is bad on the merits and should be rejected.” | 75:10 | | On Crime and Repeat Offenders | Andrew Colvett | "Most of the violent crime in this country ... is done by a very small percentage of the population that is continually ... released back onto the streets ..." | 36:49 |

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Additional Memorable Moments

• Harsh Critique of H1B and Tech Outsourcing ([40:00])

  • Strong calls for tariffs, abolition of the H1B “scam,” job protectionism framed as patriotic.
  • “If you are going to be a company that benefits by being birthed and seeded out of this country, then you have a moral obligation ... to reinvest your wealth... If you choose not to, tariff.” — Andrew Colvett

• Satirical Tones & Jabs at DEI

  • Jabs at “feminist analysis of antitrust law” and “indigenous inclusive citation” resolutions as signs of institutional rot.
  • “Feminist analysis of antitrust law is almost going to be like the conservative position in 10 years.” — Charlie Kirk ([68:43])

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Structural Overview with Timestamps

| Section | Timestamps | |--------------------------------------------------|--------------------| | Opening: Immigration, Chicago, Sanctuary Cities | 00:21–04:00 | | USCIS Enforcement: Joe Edlow Interview | 06:40–14:37 | | Economy & AI Summit Recap | 18:10–22:18 | | Chicago Crime Crisis: William J. Kelly | 28:33–37:57 | | Higher Ed, DEI, Antisemitism: Aaron Sibarium | 52:47–92:43 | | Closing: Action Steps & Final Thoughts | 91:26–93:57 |

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Tone & Style

The tone is aggressive, unapologetic, populist-conservative—with a heavy emphasis on fighting back against “elites,” bureaucracies, and what’s presented as decay in American governance and culture. The show aims to challenge progressive orthodoxy and elevate policy solutions rooted in strong national identity, law enforcement, and traditional civic values.

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Key Takeaways for New Listeners

• Immigration is presented as both an illegal and legal crisis—failure to assimilate and vet is seen as existential.
• Economic optimism is linked to “America First” policies on tech, tariffs, and trade.
• Urban crime is framed as a product of bad governance, lenient policies, and political ambition.
• Higher education is criticized for racial preferences and ideological monoculture, with anti-Semitism on campuses seen as both symptomatic of and fuel for wider cultural breakdown.
• Concrete, combative calls for policy change—in legal immigration, university DEI, urban crime, and tech outsourcing—are the signatures of the episode.

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How to Follow Up

• Listen to the podcast for extended interviews with Joe Edlow and Aaron Sibarium.
• Check out investigative reporting in the Washington Free Beacon (Aaron Sibarium).
• Stay updated on The Charlie Kirk Show and Turning Point USA events.

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Transcript

[Charlie Kirk]

This is an I Heart podcast.

[Andrew Colvett]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now and.

[William J. Kelly]

We'Re going to flood the zone sanctuary cities.

[Andrew Colvett]

I said it, I've said it a thousand times.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

They're going to get exactly what they don't want.

[William J. Kelly]

More agents in the communities and more works on enforcement. If they won't let us arrest a bad guy in the safety and security.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of a county jail.

[Joe Edlow]

If we had addressed this by amending the welcoming city ordinance several months ago.

[Aaron Sabarium]

We would not be in this position.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Today, in my opinion, if we had shown a willingness to work with Donald.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Trump, Tom Holman and Kristi Noemi to say, look, we know you know where.

[Joe Edlow]

The high priority targets are. Let us help you when we arrest them, we'll let you know. I think we'd be in a very different spot than where we find ourselves today.

[Andrew Colvett]

We have reason to believe that the.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Trump administration has already begun staging the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Texas National Guard for deployment in Illinois. I want to be very clear on this point and I want to speak directly to the press right now. We know before anything has happened here that the Trump plan is to use any excuse to deploy armed military personnel to Chicago. If he comes to Chicago, he's going to be in court and he's going to be sued by the state, he's.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Going to be sued by the city.

[Andrew Colvett]

And I believe that there would private interests that also sue him. This is not about violent crime. And I don't think we should pretend that this manufactured crisis and his attempt to provoke people in Chicago is legitimate exercise of power. It is not.

[Aaron Sabarium]

You know, I actually think that J.B. pritzker should do something radical.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think he should pick up the phone, call the president and say, let's partner up.

[Aaron Sabarium]

These are the most dangerous parts of my state. We would love to, to figure out how to have a partnership that's constitutional, that respects the sort of balance of federalism between the federal government and the.

[Andrew Colvett]

State government and let's work together to save lives.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Because right now, just that, hey, nothing to see here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Moving along.

[Aaron Sabarium]

No problem here. Hey, Donald Trump, we don't need you. And you know the mayor talking about, we're, we're going to protect people's dignity in our city, will protect their lives.

[Andrew Colvett]

That'S protecting their dignity.

[Aaron Sabarium]

He's declaring, he's declared nine emergencies since he's elected so that he can violate all sorts of constitutional norms when it comes to deporting people and all sorts of.

[Andrew Colvett]

Do you believe it is violating constitutional.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Norms for the president, the head of the federal government, the head of the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Executive branch to be enforcing federal immigration.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Law because a big issue here. There are over a half a million illegal immigrants in Illinois.

[Andrew Colvett]

I suspect most of them live in and around Chicago. Why wouldn't you surge federal law enforcement resources to the place where that many.

[Charlie Kirk]

People are violating federal law?

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

We will never be able to end gun violence in Chicago as long as the president continues to allow tens of thousands of guns to be trafficked into our state and our city. Vast majority of guns do not come from Chicago. They are not made in Cook County.

[Andrew Colvett]

They are not bought in the state of Illinois.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

These guns come from red states. They are coming from Indiana.

[Andrew Colvett]

They are coming from Mississippi.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

They are coming from Louisiana.

[Andrew Colvett]

That is the harsh reality. Whether Republicans like it or not, occupying our city will do nothing to solve this problem. You know, all of the companies here are building, just making huge investments in the country in order to, to build out data centers and infrastructure to power the next wave of innovation. So it's, you know, we don't often get together as the CEOs of the different companies, but it's.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

It's good to see everyone.

[Andrew Colvett]

How much are you spending, would you say, over the next few years? Oh, gosh, I mean, I think it's probably going to be something like at least $600 billion through 20 in the US such that we could make a major investment in the United States and have some key manufacturing, advanced manufacturing here. I think that says a lot about your focus and your leadership and your focus on innovation. I also want to thank you for.

[Charlie Kirk]

Helping American companies around the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is a very key thing. How much money would you be investing? 600 billion.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

600 billion.

[Charlie Kirk]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

It's a lot of.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're very proud to do it. That's great. Thank you very much.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Charlie Kirk.

[Joe Edlow]

Every day there's a battle for your mind raging information coming from every angle with the will to deceive Fear not, you found the place for truth the voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Buckle up. Here we go. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk show, everybody. Stations across the coast, from coast to coast around the country. Real America's voice podcasting everybody who's listening to the sound of my voice. Honored to be with you as always. Charlie Kirk is on assignment. I, as always, am your faithful guest host. Honored to be with you here@the bitcoin.com mobile studios. We have so much to get to and by the way, tons of news to get to. But first, I can't wait to talk to my first guest here, Joe Edlow, who is the new director of U.S. citizenship and Immigration Services for the Trump administration. And they have some breaking news this morning that is just, it almost sounds too good to be true to my ears. But breaking this morning, this is from the Wall Street Journal agency that issues visas and green cards is hiring armed agents. And they're not just going to be arresting immigrants who break the law. They are going to be working on arresting the lawyers that help them break the law. And I'm so excited to talk with Director Edloe. Welcome to the show. Honored to have you here. Please tell us about this, this, this breaking news.

[Joe Edlow]

Well, first of all, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, we're really excited about this, this new opportunity. When I got confirmed, I said that my mission here was to restore the integrity of the immigration system. One of the big problems with the immigration system is the rampant fraud within that system. We already have great officers that are trying to find fraud and ferret it out. We have our fraud detection, national security officers right now. However, they can only take a case so far without having to refer it to another federal agency to complete an investigation, maybe bring a case forward for prosecution. No longer need. Now USCIS has the ability to hire special agents, an investigative force that is gonna go out there, take these cases to their natural conclusion, which is in these cases of big, big types of fraud patterns, we're gonna take that, get them prosecuted across the country by U.S. attorneys.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Yeah. And the big thing here also, when I was reading through this piece, Mr. Director, is that the focus is not just on the immigrants. Right. I mean, there's a lot, you see this in the, in the headlines with ICE raids. And so you're constantly thinking, okay, we're folks focused on getting the illegals out of the country, but this is legal immigration. So that's an important distinction here. And you are going after the lawyers who are enabling so much of this fraud. And it kind of struck me as you know, you go after the abortionist rather than the woman that had the abortion. You go after the drug cartel versus the small level dealers. You can, in effect, by targeting the lawyers who are scamming the system, have a much broader and more immediate impact. Is that the strategy here, sir?

[Joe Edlow]

It is. You've got plenty of cases where you've got aliens who are committing fraud a lot who are not committing fraud, but those that are, maybe they're doing it just themselves. But where you've got large scale fraud Fraud factories. You've got attorneys involved, you've got preparers involved, you've got fraudulent, fraudulent document preparers involved. All of that needs to be targeted in order to restore the integrity of this system. And that's what we're going to be doing. So absolutely, it's a bigger, it's a bigger canvas that we're looking at going after than just an individual case where we found some irregularities or misrepresentations.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

That's fantastic news. So, you know, you're taking on a really big job, a really important job, one that has not gotten nearly as much, I think, attention is the illegal immigration thing. I happen to be of the school of thought that yes, we have a massive illegal immigration problem, but we have a massive legal immigration problem in this country. People don't assimilate, they don't love our country. We not vetting for values and ability to not go immediately on the government dole when they get here. As you have taken this job, I mean, grade the situation as you found it. I mean, how bad is it?

[Joe Edlow]

Grade it? It was an F when I found it. The legal immigration system is critical to this country, but it's gotta work. It can't work when it's overwhelmed. And when the previous administration put all of its resources to help people get the border to move, to get into random employment authorization queues and ultimately nothing was going through. Nothing. All the immigration attorneys that were filing legitimate forms were kind of just sitting around waiting because the agency was so focused on helping the illegal population. It's left us with a complete mess. We need to untangle it. Now. You mentioned those that are going on the government dime. We just put out yesterday a memo making it abundantly clear that we expect our officers, when they are looking at cases, to look at whether somebody might become the technical term, a public charge. If they are, we expect them to deny these cases. Same with assimilation. Assimilation is critical. And we are looking at ways to make the naturalization test more in line with the congressional mandate as to what it should be. We want to see a real attachment to the Constitution. We want to be able to measure that. We want to see real questions that, that people understand the civic responsibility that it means to become a United States citizen. And more importantly, we wanna see an actual understanding of the English language more than just reading and writing a single sentence.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Amen. Amen. You are. I would get up and clap right now if I could. I have some rapid fire questions for you. How many people do we naturalize a year?

[Joe Edlow]

Roughly a little under A million per year, depending on the ebb and.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Okay, how many was Joe Biden doing?

[Joe Edlow]

You know, I couldn't tell you the actual numbers. I'll get that for you.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

But they rushed it though, right? They were surging.

[Joe Edlow]

It was surging everything. It was surging getting people employment authorization documents. It was surging naturalization, but more so. I don't care about the raw numbers. What I care about here is the fact that it was a get to yes mentality. It was a rubber stamp for everyone who filed before this agency to that they were gonna get their benefits. And frankly, I believe, and I've heard it anecdotally, that my officers were essentially told get to yes or be prepared to very clearly articulate why you had to deny something. Listen, I'm not trying to tell my officers to deny. I'm not telling them to grant. I am telling them to make sure that the law is followed. Excuse me. That when discretion plays a role, that the discretion that matters, the only discretion that matters is what is in the best interest of this nation and the people of this great. And ultimately, I want to make sure that justice is done. And that is what I'm trying to do in this agency.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

I love it. And I think you're you again. There's probably thousands of people hearing the sound of your voice right now, clapping and slow clapping. And just for putting sanity in place in such a critical node of our federal government. Another question you mentioned English language proficient proficiency. Is that a standard currently to become a citizen of the United States or to get a green card?

[Joe Edlow]

Either or not to get a green card. And we're looking at that. But in terms of the law right now, as Congress has. Has written it, yes, there is a requirement for naturalization that an alien understand to a degree and read and write English. However, the way that has been put into practice is with a single sentence that they have to read and a single sentence that they have to write. I've made it clear that our officers need to take a more dynamic approach during the interviews. Ask questions, say, do you understand what. What I'm being. What you're being asked right now? Can you put this question in your own words and see what comes back? Now I have to give my officers credit. Some have already been doing this for years, but others have not. They've been following a script and we need to break them of these bad habits. And we're doing that. I've seen the officers now, I've gone to interviews where I saw someone get denied because they clearly did not understand the English language. That's what we want to see.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

What happens when they get denied? Do they. Well, go ahead. Do they get to go back home where they, where they're from? Like what's the.

[Joe Edlow]

Well, no, because they are green card holders. If they're denied for citizenship and it's because of something like that, there's no fraud in the application. There's nothing else. So we really don't have a way to, to start removal proceedings. However, if there are criminal, criminal actions that we found that's going to be referred and that ultimately is going to result in deportation.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Director Edlow, could you just stay with me through the break just for a few more minutes? Sure. We'll make it quick. But I just have so many questions for you if you're watching on stream more in just a second. We'll be right back.

[Joe Edlow]

Speaking the truth, no one else has the guts to say the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Build our company here, to build data.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Centers here, to build the entire AI industry and lead the world in the United States. Echoing many other people's comments.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think this will transform the world.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

In a profound way and I think.

[Joe Edlow]

It really will be the United States.

[Andrew Colvett]

Advantage to be able to lead the world this way.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

The event that the first lady hosted.

[Andrew Colvett]

Today about education was really wonderful and.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Watching what AI is doing even today for education and so many other industries is really great.

[Joe Edlow]

So thank you so much for enabling this.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

We will invest a ton in the United States States and we will do our best to make sure that we continue to lead here. Invest a ton in the United States. He wasn't the only one saying that. Here's Apple's Tim Cook. Tim Apple as many call him 453.

[Andrew Colvett]

Such that we could make a major investment in the United States and have.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some key manufacturing, advanced manufacturing here.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think that says a lot about your focus and your leadership and your focus on innovation. I also want to thank you for.

[Charlie Kirk]

Helping American companies around the world.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is a very key, key thing and I really enjoy working with your administration on, on those topics as well because I think they're so important to the country. How much money will you be investing? 600 billion.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

600 billion.

[Andrew Colvett]

We're very proud to do it. That's great. Thank you very much. Appreciate you sir.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Boom. 600 billion. And the Kevin Hassett from the admin this morning was out on CNBC saying that we have record capex expenditures. So capital expenditures in the country up over 8% which is a record. There is so much good economic news that is just at the very tip of getting started. It's just starting. If you think about those dominoes that meme where the dominoes can get bigger piece after piece the dominoes will start to fall and we have very low inflation. Partly that is because energy prices are so down there's so much supply on the market, energy prices are going down, oil stocks are down. And that's good news for the consumers. That's good news for the entire economy. Which oil is one of those expenses that filters through so much to get to? Gosh, guys, these, these segments go so fast. We're going to welcome William J. Kelly. We've got an update from Chicago. Great reporter. Don't go anywhere.

[Aaron Sabarium]

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[Andrew Colvett]

All the indicators that we're seeing are that inflation is low and economic growth is solid, income growth solid as well. So that the only part of the data that's disappointing is that the jobs numbers have been a little bit lower over the last three or four months. The unemployment rates have ticked up a little bit but, you know, right now we're highly confident with the trends that data board workers are replacing the illegal workers that are either now not new, coming to the country or going back to their homes.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Also happening at the White House today, President Trump set to sign another executive order. We'll have more on that throughout the day here on Real America's Voice.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

The.

[Joe Edlow]

Hardest working radio show in the business.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

The Charlie Kirk Show.

[Aaron Sabarium]

All right.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

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[William J. Kelly]

Well, God bless you, Andrew, and thank you for having me.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

You're right.

[William J. Kelly]

I mean, I've always felt that Chicago is kind of ground zero all the way back to when I tried to warn some people about my state senator, Barack Obama, you know, and laughed. Oh boy, I can still hear the laughter. But, but yeah, I mean, whether it's Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, you know, and just so you know, J.B. pritzker, Governor Pritzker has presidential ambitions. And everything that he's doing right now, the only possible explanation for it is that he thinks it's going to get him the White House. So that because there's no other I mean there's no, he's a very smart man. Make no mistake about it. He's a billionaire. And there's no but there's no logical explanation for why you would have a safety act, for example, this is his signature legislation that allows the most violent criminals out on no cash bail, repeated violent offenders.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Yeah, I have to give you some due here. William J. Kelly. And that is reporter williamjkelly.com check him out. This is a clip from you trying to get answers about some of these very dangerous illegals that he seems to not care about that are being released to harass, maim, kill, murder, molest young kids. I mean, so many of these stories, it's just terrible. Let's go ahead and play cut. 450 ICE agents that are on the way.

[Andrew Colvett]

And again, many of the people who are coming seem to be coming from Los Angeles and having been part of that raid. So if you want to look at what it is that they're planning to do, you could just look at what they did in Los Angeles. Megaphones, microphones, go to the ballot box. Those are all the things that I sent. And let's be clear. And to the extent that people want to protest, they have that First Amendment right to do so.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

All I'm saying, as I said back.

[Andrew Colvett]

Then, is that you ought to do it peacefully and that you ought to make your voices heard.

[William J. Kelly]

Governor Pritzker, a very important question regarding the illegal alien Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez that was released under your.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Just walks away. I mean, these guys. So obviously he wants to run for President, he's using this standoff with President Trump as a way to increase his name id, increase him being viewed as the fighter in his party that they are so desperate to find. And yet it's pure callousness because he's hurting the people of Chicago and the people of Illinois in order to benefit himself politically, which I think is going to backfire, mind you. But nevertheless, I want the audience to fully inter. He will not answer your question about Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez. Who is this man and why did you ask about him?

[William J. Kelly]

Well, one of many. He's an illegal alien. He is charged with concealing and abusing the corpse of a, an Illinois mother of two.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

God.

[William J. Kelly]

Yeah, and, and he's still under investigation for a variety of other things. But, but here's the thing. Under Pritzker Safety Act, Jose Luis Mendoza Gonzalez, if that's even his real name, nobody, how would we even know. Right. Has been released. So I mean, and this is just one of many, you know, if you are a human being, I mean, I'm not talking about if you've been elected to protect, which I think is the number one responsibility of all elected officials to provide safety first for citizens. Right. But if you've been elected to do it, if you've been charged with doing that, if you've been hired to do that, you would think that that would be the number one priority.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Right.

[William J. Kelly]

The only, you know, and then, you know, whatever else, you know, clean streets or something would be like a distant second. Right. But, but it seems like with our elected officials and of course Mayor Johnson in Chicago, that this is the least of their interests, you know, from the lockdown and the looting, of the race riots that Chicago still hasn't recovered from, by the way. And then of course, the big migrant crisis of the last year. Bankrupted.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Exactly. Well, and there is 500,000 illegals in Chicago, is that correct? At least estimated.

[William J. Kelly]

Who knows? Nobody knows. You know, we will find out when they vote.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

That's an extraordinarily high number of illegal immigrants to be in one city. I mean, when you think about the congestion, when you think about the housing pressure, this pressure on schools, I mean, it's just an incredible burden to place on any taxpaying base, let alone Chicago, which is losing native born citizens at an alarming clip. This is what I also find interesting though, and I think this is why it's a winning political issue for President Trump. I mean, crime is like a 9010 issue. It's actually about a 99 to 1 issue, according to some Polls, people think it's either a serious problem in urban centers or at least somewhat of a problem. That's 99% recent poll came out. But here's what's interesting. Top national Democrats like David Axelrod and Joe Scarborough are beginning to break with the Illinois politicians. Let's go ahead and play cup 4 22. This is David Axelrod.

[Andrew Colvett]

I would be careful about playing 28 politics on this issue because the right answer is we'll take all the help we can get as long as it's appropriate help, as long as it's stuff that will really help. I mean, these National Guardsmen aren't even trained to do that work. They're not authorized to do that work. So, you know, send us the resources that we need. We want to work with you. If there are criminal, if there are people doing violent crimes here who are illegal immigrants, we want them out of our city. We'll work with you on that. I think that's the appropriate position to take.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fair enough.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Wow. Shocking, shocking stuff from CNN. But he's not alone. MSNBC gets into it. Play cut 446.

[Aaron Sabarium]

You know, I actually think that JB Pritzker should do something radical.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think he should pick up the.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Phone, call the president and say, let's partner up. These are the most dangerous parts of my state. We would love to, to figure out how to have a partnership that's constitutional, that respects the sort of balance of federalism between the federal government and the.

[Andrew Colvett]

State government, and let's work together to save lives.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Because right now just, hey, nothing to see here.

[Andrew Colvett]

Moving along.

[Aaron Sabarium]

No problem here. Hey, Donald Trump, we don't need you. And you know the mayor talking about, we're going to protect people's dignity in our city, will protect their lives. That's protecting their dignity.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Wow. William J. Kelly, Does Chicago need federal help?

[William J. Kelly]

Well, they needed it for the dnc, if you recall. You were in town. I remember, yeah. They had the, the Democrat National Convention in Chicago and they had no trouble using the National Guard to protect their donors. Andrew, do you remember they had no trouble using the National Guard as, as their, as their valets for their, for their VIP donors, but personal security. But as you know, the weekend violence continued in Chicago with, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50 in some cases, you know, there. I remember weekends with 80 people shot. You know, I mean, this is, this is beyond third world. You know, you'd be safer in, you know, name. Pick a country. Haiti, Somalia, I don't know. You pick a country. You know, every weekend, the number of people shot and murdered, not to mention assaulted. We have cases, repeat offenders who are arrested, let out of jail, and then they immediately go right back.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Well, this is.

[William J. Kelly]

Right, a woman in the face.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Yeah. I mean, that was a viral story this week, and it's terrible. But, but you're, you're, you're zeroing in on something really important. I want the audience to fully absorb this. Most of the violent crime in this country, even most of the petty crime for that matter, is done by a very small percentage of the population that is continually like a revolving door, released back onto the streets to maim, hurt, kill, and murder and rape. Okay? And this small group could be permanently locked up. And you would see crime fall like a rock. You would see it plummet. Why is, why do Democrats in the city of Chicago seem to love crime so much? William J. Kelly, about 30 seconds.

[William J. Kelly]

Well, the really sad fact of the matter is that that small group is growing because a lot of the illegals are now strangling women in the street, just on the sidewalk in the middle.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

But William, I was told that illegal immigrants commit less crime than Americans.

[William J. Kelly]

Well, you know, maybe that's because they're not being charged and convicted. So, of course, you know, statistics are funny things, right, Andrew?

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Mm, yeah, absolutely. William J. Kelly, you are at a really important time in a really important city at a confluence of really powerful forces. Please keep covering it, Tell people where they can follow your work.

[William J. Kelly]

The floor is yours, reporter William J. Kelly dot com. Believe it or not, I have a legal defense fund. Go fund me on that page. I've literally been threatened by the mayor's office to have my credential, my media credential revoked. I've had this happen before under Lightfoot. So anyone who wants to keep me in the, in the press, reporter william j.kelly.com.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Good for you. God bless you, brother. Keep up the good work. Keep their holding their feet to the fire. This is a developing story. We're going to keep covering it and we hope cooler heads will prevail. We'll be right back.

[Joe Edlow]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

[Andrew Colvett]

You guys know how it works. Open mic. We're gonna be here for a couple hours, so get comfortable. So you would get rid of all border?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

What species is the baby in the womb?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a human.

[Andrew Colvett]

Therefore they should have human rights. No, he's a liar. You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. It's very clear by how you're acting. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day. You are doing something that is bigger than you. A lot of people. How we doing? I'm gonna move like a runaway you'll.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Turn it back up and gut I do not care what the others say Listen, I told you that I did.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Not come to play we about to.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Take it to higher heights History's waiting when I arrive Today is the dawn of a new and I'm about to shuffle now they cannot hold me down when you won't win from your loss we came from the bottom and now we the bosses the future we show I said what we can choose if you give it to all you got nothing to lose Foreign I'm getting pumped already just watching those videos. The tour starts next week in Utah. The Utah press is already freaking out. Something. Something's not quite right in Utah, folks. We love Mike Lee. We love our Mormon friends up in Utah. We love big families. But something under the surface is something's awry. Something's amiss in Utah. We're going to sniff it out. I think it's really important that Charlie is going there. I also want to present the Amfest promo to you guys coming up in December. It's not too early to get your tickets. Let's go ahead and play that clip.

[Andrew Colvett]

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[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Experience the greatest celebration of America. Four days. Thousands of patriots, the loudest voices, the strongest leaders. Featuring Charlie Kirk, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld, Grant Cardone, Rob Schneider, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, Glenn Beck, Riley Gaines, Todd Chrisley, Savannah Chrisley and more. December 18th to 21st in Phoenix, Arizona. The movement meets here. All right. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Final segment of hour one. Never fear, Charlie is going to be back in hour two. It's part two of his interview with Free Beacon reporter Aaron Sabarium. That's a fantastic conversation. I watched it when it happened live, and it was. It's just really, really compelling stuff. Went to Yale, got sort of radicalized by our Ivy Leagues, which is, of course, you know, typical. Typical. It's actually, I wish it was more typical because the Ivy Leagues will radicalize you if you have half a brain, because those people are completely. They've lost the plot. They've lost the plot. I want to bring up a story speaking of losing the plot. And we started the whole hour with immigration. Fantastic conversation. If you didn't get it, please get the podcast with the guy that's responsible for issuing all our visas and green cards and citizenship in the country. But there's a new piece of news that just broke this morning and it goes like this. President Trump is considering a proposal to block US IT companies from outsourcing their work to Indian companies. A move that could, quote unquote, wreck Indian I T sector and cost millions of jobs. Now let me explain why I love this. This is part of restoring the compact that the American government should have with the American citizen. We have outsourced our jobs overseas. We've outsourced our car manufacturing facilities, we've outsourced the ability to make vitamin C to China. Anything where you make something has been outsourced. But guess what? It wasn't just making hard things that has been outsourced. It's been services. It's been tech services, it's been white collar jobs that are getting outsourced. And why? Because companies that are making billions and billions of dollars that have market caps in trillions have decided that it's worth more compliant labor. It's, it costs them less, they're going to make a few extra bucks. Just a few marginal difference rate of return to ship your job overseas. Now let's remember what's actually going on. And I'm a free market guy, but within reason and regulations can be powerful and they can be effective. Tariffs can be powerful and effective when properly utilized. But if you are a company that is benefiting from the United States, our unparalleled capital markets, our rule of law, equal protection under that law, stability, a talented workforce, innovation, a history of pioneering, not only the west, but technology, landing on the moon, all of these things. If you are going to be a company that benefits by being birthed and seeded out of this country, then you have a moral obligation as one of the elites, one of the moneyed gentry class to reinvest your wealth, your success in the human capital of this country. And if you choose not to tariff, we are going to make it so expensive on you. If you are a company that's trying to make a literally like marginal more money out of this so that we can talk to a tech worker in India, if that is your company, you have a moral obligation like those in the Gilded Age that reinvested their great wealth that they accumulated off the backs of this country, off the backs of the labor class. If that is you, you have a responsibility to reinvest in this country. I love This. I love this so much. And while we're at it, it is time to reform and possibly abolish the H1B visa scam. There's about 400,000 visas that are given out as part of the H1B scam every year. And 75% of those are consumed by one country, and that's India. Now, God bless them. A lot of them are great workers, they're kind people. But what we are seeing in towns like Frisco, Texas. I was just in Frisco. You go to the mall there and it's all Indians. That is a city that has been completely demographically changed overnight. And why H1B tech workers? They're not always, you know, people that are better at the job than Americans, but they're more compliant. They'll work for free or, well, close. They'll work for less. And all they want is to be able to come over here because India has got billions of people. It's a crazy place. You can get ahead here more. I understand why they want to come, but I understand why the base, why the Trump voter wants to protect American jobs. We do not want American workers having to train their replacements that come from India on an H1B. So all of this is very, very good. And I'm telling you, the the elephant in the room is not illegal immigration. We're getting our handle on that. We got to get our deportations up, certainly. And self deportations are going strong. What we got to do is we got to fix legal immigration in this country. That's why I'm so glad to have that first conversation at the top of the show. So go back and watch it. Hour two with Charlie, Part two of his conversation with Aaron Sabarium. Don't miss it.

[Aaron Sabarium]

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[Andrew Colvett]

Everybody is corrupt but you. Is that what we're looking at? I don't think so. And I think the issue. I don't even know what you're talking about.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Well, I think you do know what I'm talking about.

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't know what you're talking about. The issue is every time anyone agrees with you. Are you saying the pharmaceutical industry was supporting my presidential campaign? No, I'm saying no.

[Aaron Sabarium]

RFK Jr. Was specifically called to task over his moves to limit vaccine access and research. He was also criticized for the recent firing of the director of the Centers for Disease control Prevention, the U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia teaming up with the city's Democrat mayor, Muriel Bowser just a little while ago to take a bit of a victory lap. The two held a news conference to report the arrest of two 17 year olds who were accused in the shooting death of 21 year old Eric Jackham. The UMass Amherst student was interning in the nation's capital on June 30 when he was killed. Investigators say he was an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire as at least 6, 79 rounds were fired.

[Andrew Colvett]

Why?

[Charlie Kirk]

The President has vowed to make D.C. safe and beautiful. This is why the nation's President the President is bringing together federal and local agencies to bring the force of the.

[Andrew Colvett]

Government against those who seek to destroy not only our quality of life, but our lives.

[Aaron Sabarium]

A third suspect is still being sought in the case. The two teenagers who are in custody are charged as adults. Today's news conference comes on the heels of DC's Attorney General filing suit on Thursday to end the Trump administration's deployment of National Guard troops in the nation's capital. The AG calls it an unlawful occupation. Over at the White House, President Trump set to sign an executive order today, the EO Will reportedly be to rename the Department of Defense the Department of War. As such, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth would also be able to use the title Secretary of War in official correspondence and public communication. Changing the name of a government department is rare, and it generally requires congressional approval. By the way, the Department of Defense was named the war Department until 1949, when Congress consolidated the Army, Navy and Air Force following World War II. The move comes as President Trump seeks to end several wars and conflicts across the globe. Following today's executive order signing, the commander in Chief also has an announcement scheduled. We're still working to find out what that announcement might entail. Happening today, Texas Governor Greg Abbott will sign several bills aimed at preventing tragedies similar to the deadly flooding that killed 27 campers and counselors at Camp mystic back in July. Some of the parents and family members of the girls who died that day will join the governor for today's signing ceremony. In all, 136 people were killed in the flooding. The new measures will improve the safety of children's camps across Texas by prohibiting cabins from being in dangerous parts of flood zones. Camp operators will also be required to develop emergency plans. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Andrew Colvett]

Okay, another huge thank you to Andrew for hosting yesterday and today while I travel. I'm back with the second half of our interview with Aaron Saberium, investigative journalist for the last hour of the show this week. The full interviews on the podcast already, but in the second half we continue discussing some of his biggest stories and the most shocking things he's uncovered.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some of the pushback I got on the piece about racial preferences was, you don't understand. They made these changes to their curriculum and they had a little less time in class, so maybe that's why the performance went down. But it's not about the racial preferences, okay? It's about the curriculum. Well, what did they do to the curriculum? They took time away from the hard sciences to teach them sort of progressive pseudoscience, literally, like mysticism. Not a good defense. They shouldn't have done that either.

[Andrew Colvett]

Again, we can make fun of it. We should. God forbid someone's going to die because of this. And people die all the time under general anesthesia. Again, anesthesiology 1 is someone who's gone under anesthesiology a couple times like it's no joke. In the anesthesiology department, where Lucero or Lucero helps rank applicants to the department's residency program. She's Rebuffed calls to blind the race of candidates. Telling colleagues in January 2020 email that despite California's ban on racial preferences, quote, we are not required to blind any information. So this is a great case for Harmeet Dhillon to come swooping in from the U.S. office of Civil Rights, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. And I believe they're already looking into it. Yeah, I think it's HHS's Office of Civil Rights that's looking into it, but HHS has opened an investigation and there was also a lawsuit from Students for Fair Admissions and that's the same group that did the Harvard lawsuit.

[Andrew Colvett]

She said here, you're right. Knocked down a white person and said, quote, white male may be knocked down several spots because, quote, we have too many of his kind.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Not. Not a. Not a comment. Right? Not.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's not Charlie Kirk.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, not. It's not a comment you could imagine being said about any other group, nor.

[Andrew Colvett]

Should it be said about anything.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, of course, of course, of course.

[Andrew Colvett]

She told doctors. Who is this person again? I gotta reread this.

[Charlie Kirk]

She's the head of admissions at the medical school.

[Andrew Colvett]

Delightful.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Is she still there?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I believe so.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Oh, nice. She told doctors who voiced concern that they had no right to be had an opinion because they were not bipoc for people listening on radio or podcasting. That is not a Star wars character. What is bipoc?

[Charlie Kirk]

Stands for black, indigenous and other people.

[Andrew Colvett]

People of color.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

So you, let's say you're a 45 year old. You know, for 45 year old, you've been there 45 years as a doctor, award winning, saved lives. You don't have an opinion because you might be a white man. That's according to the admissions, the admissions director.

[Charlie Kirk]

That is what she's saying.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. Honestly, this is like real life horrifying if people have to get medical care. In the UCLA system, the focus on racial diversity has coincided with dramatic shift in racial and ethnic composition in medical school, where the number of Asian matriculants fell by almost a third by 2019. 2022, according to public available data. No other elite medical school in California saw a similar decline.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I think that's true there. Maybe there was one that, you know, saw something kind of close. But I think, I think most of the, I think it was really, when I double checked the data, it was quite noticeable how much ucla.

[Andrew Colvett]

So like, I mean, look, I need to just voice this. If we're also afraid of being called a racist, is it conceivable that Just a. Again, this says a third to half of the medical school. This is a professor that told you is incredibly unqualified. Is it possible that just a super unqualified doctor is slipping through the cracks? That's like a black woman. And eventually she's going to have to make lifesaving decisions. Yeah, that's where we're heading. Like, we're all afraid to say anything because she might report you to the.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, look, and the way. And I would say, too, you know, the way also to avoid having. If there's a qualified black female doctor, the way to avoid people questioning her qualifications and the way to avoid sort of placing her under this constant cloud of suspicion is to stop doing racial preferences that sort of rationalize the suspicion. Right. Like, I mean, you know, I feel bad for anyone who gets into UCLA who really is very good.

[Andrew Colvett]

Totally agree.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, gets. Everyone's always looking at that. Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, if you're a super qualified blackout now people are going to wonder, and that's not right. So now, going to the other coast, you, my friend, have been like a ninja towards Harvard, and I love it. So let's start with this one, because this one's a little bit more. It's older, I think. Yeah, I am.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Harvard President Claudine Gay hit with six new charges of plagiarism. So you were one of the ones that took down Claudine Gay, in addition to Elise Stefanik and her wonderful performance. How does a Harvard University president plagiarize herself to the top?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I mean, so look, what she did was clearly covered by Harvard's plagiarism policies, which were written in a very exacting way, I think. I don't know, you know, what you were told growing up, but I always had sort of the fear of God put into me when it came to plagiarism. Oh, 100% in high school and then. And then in college, they really would say just, you know, if it's more than a few words, right. That, you know, even if it's not verbatim, but it's paraphrased, that could be plagiarism. And that's a very serious offense. And so I would in college, read over my papers and think, is it plagiarized? You know, I have to make sure I'm changing enough of the language. I have to be sure I'm putting it in my own words, everything cited. And look, of all the plagiarism scandals there have been, hers was not the worst, but she was probably in the, not the worst in terms of the severity of the plagiarism, but it was plagiarism. It did violate Harvard's policies. And she was the president of Harvard University. Right. And so subject, I think, presumably to kind of the highest possible standard for academic integrity.

[Andrew Colvett]

And she, she oversaw an institution that then you have internal documents reveal pervasive. Because she's gone now. Reversal reveal pervasive pattern of racial discrimination at Harvard Law Review.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

What's going on here?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so some of the discrimination is in the selection of editors for the Law Review, but the lion's share of it is in the selection of articles.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which is important, right.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, those are, you know, the Harvard Law Review is influential. It matters who's published there. The Law Review articles really do shape the state of the law to some extent. Right. You know, how important legal academia is can be debated. But to the extent it matters, this is a pretty powerful journal, right. It matters what they publish. And they are not selecting articles just based on merit or subject matter diversity, but explicitly based on both the author's race and in many cases the race of the authors cited in the footnotes.

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. And that was in fact part of their rubric for evaluating.

[Andrew Colvett]

To get published in the Harvard Law Review, you have to have like half.

[Charlie Kirk]

Of your authors be basically, Basically there's this initial.

[Andrew Colvett]

That's, that's how.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and so here's the thing, right? And this, this often is the case with any kind of regime of racial preferences. It doesn't just happen at one kind of stage of decision making. It happens at every stage. There's an initial kind of screen out process where they're told to consider author diversity. And that process, which is done by just a few editors, weeds out like 80% of submissions. And then there, then everything that remains is subject to this additional screen where the, you know, some editor reads it and kind of writes a short memo. And there's a, there's a template that they're supposed to fill out about the pros and cons of each article. And one of the things they are supposed to look at, or at least they were as of a year ago, was the racial diversity of the sources cited. Racial, gender, all kinds of diversity.

[Andrew Colvett]

What, what if you have a really good citation from a white man? You're not, you're at your quota.

[Charlie Kirk]

That. Yeah, I mean, they literally, they would literally say things like. They would literally say things like, I'm very, you know, I'm disappointed that the piece didn't have much diversity in terms of its sources cited that was a real negative and they would give it a poor recommendation based in part on that lack of diversity. I mean, you can, we published over 2,300 pages of documents of these internal memos. So people can judge for themselves and you can just see what they said. And in, in some cases it's kind of an afterthought or they don't really take it into account. But there are quite a few cases where the editors explicitly penalize pieces for the diversity of the citations.

[Andrew Colvett]

How did you find out about this one?

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I got a tip from someone who shall remain nameless that it was going on at the Harvard Law Review and then started doing some digging and managed to get my hands on a lot of these documents. One thing I generally like to do in my reporting is to publish as many primary source documents as possible because often, right. The immediate response is, oh, you're making it up or you're exaggerating. And I just. Look, you can, you can look at the entire tranche of documents, right? You know, you, you judge for yourself.

[Andrew Colvett]

More with Aaron when we come back. Learn more in three hours than four.

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We're back. Email me your thoughts. Freedom. Charliekirk.com Let me know your thoughts on this interview and some of your biggest stories of some of these biggest stories. And subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast. That is the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. And so the Harvard Law Review is an independent nonprofit and legally distinct from the university. It operates out of a Harvard building. It's tended by Harvard janitors and employs only Harvard students and editors. It's also advised by administrators, professors at Harvard Law School, including the Dean, and some student editors are on federal financial aid. And so someone is planning to sue over this, is that right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. So Jonathan Mitchell, who's the former Solicitor General of Texas, Bad guy to tick off. Yeah, he's planning to sue. But they're also now under three different federal investigations by the Department of Education, the Department of Health and Human Services, and the Justice Department. And obviously, the deal that the administration is trying to reach with Harvard could resolve those investigations. We'll see. I mean, I. But until that deal happens, at least you know they are under multiple federal probes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. So what is your instinct? Do you think this is just the tip of the iceberg at some of these elite schools? I mean, there's so much worse stuff that's going on that we don't know about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I generally think that's right. Now, again, some of them are probably trying to course Correct. A little bit. Just because they're so scared of Trump. But I think that, I don't think this is particularly aberrational. How much of it is put in writing may vary depending on the institution. But again, like I said earlier, there's, there's red states, state schools. You can find tons of this stuff in kind of every, in every part of university decision making.

[Andrew Colvett]

Your reporting so good. I mean, this, you got a Slack message in here that's like, that's the best. Because that's really a window.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is so good. Four out of five people raised in this message, so, message. I'm guessing this is a communique.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, they're. They're debating who to publish. Okay. Like a forum or something.

[Andrew Colvett]

Four out of five people raised in this message are white men, which I find concerning. One editor wrote in Slack. This is an editor of the Law Review. What. Before I go any further, what does it take to become an editor of the Law Review?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, a few people get on just through the strength of their grades or this kind of competition. They do, right. If they're really, really strong students, writers. Most people are chosen through the. Or about half of them are chosen through this sort of holistic review process that takes into account their grades, this kind of writing competition, and then also their personal statement and kind of DEI.

[Andrew Colvett]

Factors says, quote, having read the article pretty thoroughly, I think a huge missing piece was that of how race fits into policing and misconduct.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

Keep going.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well, this is another important point, which is that they don't just screen the articles based on the race of the author or even the race of the sources cited. They also look at just. Does the article talk enough about race and gender? So my favorite one actually is they. This is in another article I wrote about this. They nixed, I think, an article that was a feminist analysis of antitrust law. That sounds as woke as it can get. Right? Feminist analysis of antitrust law. Why did they nix it? Well, because it advanced a binaristic conception of gender and didn't talk enough about the experiences of trans and non binary people. And they put this in writing. Right. I mean, and it's just.

[Andrew Colvett]

Of antitrust law.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. And it's. And so this is just. Yeah, you can't make it up.

[Andrew Colvett]

This is a fall of civilization, by the way. Why should we even take seriously a feminist analysis of antitrust law? How about this analysis of antitrust law? It doesn't matter.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. I mean, feminist analysis of antitrust law is almost going to be like the conservative position in 10 years. You know, I was going to say.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, well said. In a separate exchange, an editor implied that a piece should be subject to expedited review because the author was a minority. This person of color author, the editor wrote in Slack, adding that the scholar had already had a publication offer from Northwestern. We should send for review tonight if we want to move on this. So you get elevated and fast tracked if you're a person of color.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. And in fact, in some of these memos they explicitly say recommend publishing scholars because they say by being published in the Harvard Law Review they will advance their career. So they basically say we should publish so and so because by doing so we will advance the career of a young scholar of color. That's part of their calculus when deciding who to publish.

[Andrew Colvett]

I mean, it's just, it's remarkable. And the Law Review. Right. Has also adopted several policies, while not racially discriminatory, seem designed to ensure editors toe the party line. One resolution passed in 2023 called for, quote, indigenous inclusive citation practices. You mentioned this. So just so we're clear, I don't know what that means. Indigenous inclusive citation practices. So we need like more Iroquois Indians or something.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. To be fair to them, I think it has something to do with how you cite cases involving tribal law or native tribes. I mean, you know, there might be something legitimate there, but they obviously package it in the most.

[Andrew Colvett]

Well, they've lost all credibility.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I know, but you might be wrong. I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Andrew Colvett]

I don't think they have the benefit of death.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm Terrence Bates. The U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia is teaming up with the city's Democrat Mayor, Muriel Bowser. All of this happened just a little while ago. The two got together to take a bit of a victory lap. They held a news conference to report the arrest of two 17 year olds accused in the shooting death of 21 year old Eric Jackson. The UMass Amherst student was interning in the nation's capital back on June 30th. Investigators say he was an innocent bystander who was caught in the crossfire as at least 79 rounds were fired. Well, a third suspect is still being sought in this case. The two teenagers who are in custody are charged as adults. Today's news conference comes on the heels of DC's Attorney General filing suit on Thursday to end the Trump administration's deployment of National Guard troops in the nation's capital. The AG calls it an unlawful occupation. The latest jobs report is out and unemployment is up slightly. A look inside the numbers shows that 22,000 jobs were added to the economy last month, which is way down from the 79,000 jobs that were forecast. And while unemployment is now up to 4.3%, it's still at a historically low level. Outside the White House, President Trump's top secretaries and advisers asked about that report.

[Andrew Colvett]

All the indicators that we're seeing are that inflation is low and economic growth is solid, income growth solid as well. So that the only part of the data that's disappointing is that the jobs numbers have been a little bit lower over the last three or four months. The unemployment rates have ticked up a little bit. But, you know, right now we're highly confident with the trends that data board workers are replacing the illegal workers that are either now not new, coming to the country or going back to their homes.

[Aaron Sabarium]

Also happening at the White House today, President Trump set to sign another executive order. This EO will reportedly be to rename the Department of Defense the Department of War. As such, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth would also be able to use the title Secretary of War in official correspondence. Excuse me. As well as public communication. Changing the name of a government agency, by the way, is rare and it generally requires congressional approval. That's a quick check of your headlines.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, I don't think it makes any sense to try to add Jews to the list to kind of bring Jews under dei's protective umbrella. I think that's gonna backfire for lots of reasons. I mean, one is just DEI's. The worldview is bad on the merits and should be rejected. Right. And we don't want to reinforce its premises. You know, I also think there frankly, is a dynamic where, especially for people on the right, it's very important, I think, to be consistent about this stuff. And when you're not and you're hypocritical, people see the hypocrisy. And while I don't think that the hypocrisy is like the main. It's not why antisemitism is rising, but does not help. It's not helping. I guess I would say, no, it does not help. You're right. And you know, look, the other thing I would say too is just this is not. This is not effective. I mean, this is not how you get rid of the problem. The way you get rid of the problem is by admitting students who actually want to study and are not scholar activists who are going to go out and take over public spaces and violate laws. Right. Instead of just going to class. I mean, it's really an admissions problem.

[Andrew Colvett]

It is. And it's an Islamist problem. So the. Some people are saying though, that, hey, we need to. Some people in the government have alluded to this. Not President Trump, but we need to make anti Semitism, like, illegal, basically. And I'm paraphrasing, but you've seen that kind of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so that's not. Well, first of all, you can't make ideologies illegal under the First Amendment. But let me. Here's the other comeback to this. So I just reported this today. We're recording in late August. Right. So Columbia Law School just did this diversity training.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, tell us all about it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right, and the diversity training was organized around a single vignette about antisemitism. It was something silly where, like, someone complains that it's hard to schedule events around the Jewish holidays in the fall, and that's seen framed as an example of maybe. Maybe not even anti Semitism, but insensitivity. And they spend all this time talking about it. Okay, you know what? I don't think it's kind of a silly. Yeah, it's not really. It's not. It's not. It's also, for one, it's. It's not the kind of thing that actually upset Jewish students. Right. What upset students at Columbia was calls to kill them, which actually happened river to the sea. Well, I mean, you know, Zionists deserve to die. Right. That's what actually was at issue. Not, you know, someone being a little insensitive about whether organize an event, Yom Shapur or Sukkot. Right. That's not the problem. But then the other key thing to see is that this training was facilitated by a diversity consultant who has written all sorts of ridiculous things, including that she never. She even wrote a blog post, I think, saying that she doesn't ask if someone. If she sees a man attempting to go into the women's restroom, she won't stop him or ask questions because she doesn't want to inadvertently commit a microaggression. I mean, that's who Colombia decided to do tap for this training. During the training, she explicitly accuses President Trump of committing a microaggression when he complimented the president of Liberia on his English. She says that the terms crazy uncle and grandfathering can be offensive and up and coming lawyers should not say them. I mean, it has all the kind of hallmarks of a stupid, crazy DEI training. It's just that the vignette they chose was about anti Semitism. Right. So not only is it not addressing the real anti Semitism problem on Columbia's campus, it's also reinforcing the crazy DEI stuff that Trump, I think, has rightly been against. So, yeah, I. I think it is. There is a role for the federal government to play in fighting anti Semitism. You know, content neutral civil rights laws that just say that you can't, you know, Deny Jewish students access.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, when you're trying to block classes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. Like that's, of course that's illegal, you.

[Andrew Colvett]

Know, pull the visas. I mean the whole thing is just.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, there's all sorts of levers you can use. But you know, demanding additional anti Semitism training, I just, I think that's going to backfire. Look, also like, has anyone ever enjoyed sitting through one of these trainings? And does anyone ever come out of it thinking I'm so glad I had to do that? No, everyone hates the trainings so why add Jews to that? Right. Because then the Jews are more kind of proximate to the resentment. Just I think it is very short sighted.

[Andrew Colvett]

Why are we seeing a rise in Jew hate in this country.

[Charlie Kirk]

Again? Another thing we could talk for hours about, I think some of it is just the result of us getting more and more distance away from the Holocaust and this kind of basically philo Semitic consensus we had breaking down. I also think, and I'm not an expert on this, my understanding is that among evangelicals, I think there used to be this kind of pre millenarian like eschatology in which sort of this idea that like it was important to support Israel because the end of days was imminent. I should say I am Jewish, so I don't know, you just said it.

[Andrew Colvett]

Better than.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm not an expert on this stuff.

[Andrew Colvett]

Pre trib, pre millennial theology.

[Charlie Kirk]

And I think a lot of people.

[Andrew Colvett]

State of Israel is fundamental to that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. And I think a lot of people, including frankly many progressive Jews sort of held their noses at that and sneered at it and thought, well that's you know, stupid weird theology. But you know, one of the benefits of that theology was that it meant that the predominantly Christian American right was very, yes, very pro Israel. And it's a good example of, you know, Chesterton's Fence, the idea that you don't always want to tear things down when you don't quite understand the function they're serving in society. Right. I think that you kind of got rid of that theology and it maybe opened the door to some not good stuff. And honestly, look, yeah, I mean obviously the war in Gaza has increased the salience of the issue. Obviously just the Internet allows all sorts of radical ideologies to spread. But yeah, you know, I have to say I struggle with this because I just fundamentally have always thought that like hardcore antisemitism is just so sort of irrational and not rooted in reality that I mean it rots the brain. Yeah. Trying to even you're trying to explain the thought process of, you know, the logic of something that is fundamentally irrational. I mean, it is not logical. So it can be hard in some ways to provide a rational explanation. But I will just say. I will also say, though I do not think the main cause, frankly, is college students at Columbia. I think they are more a symptom and a reflection than a cause. I think the cause is much deeper. Kind of demographic.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. The Columbia problem is actually really simple. It's actually we've imported a bunch of Muslims students that hate Jews and have. Many of which hate the West. And then you couple that with a bunch of secular people that are looking for meaning and they look at everything through an oppressor, oppression, oppressed dynamic.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. The assumption that Israelis are white and the Palestinians are brown.

[Andrew Colvett]

Correct.

[Charlie Kirk]

Which if you actually go to the region and look at people, it's like, totally not true. I was there last year and saw one of the darkest skinned.

[Andrew Colvett]

We'll go meet a Misra here.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, but you see even, like, Ethiopian Jews who have some of the darkest skin you've ever seen, who are wearing the full Orthodox garb in Jerusalem, like, it's an amazing country. Right. But just the whole racial imaginary that we project onto that region, it's totally wrong.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. So what would you say are one or two of the biggest lies about what's happening right now? Again, we're taping this so we don't know things can change. But let's just say more broadly with Israel that you wish could be corrected, that are just falsehoods that are spread, that you kind of pound your table and you're like, I can't believe people believe this.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, the race thing is a big one in terms of the left. Right. That's a big issue on the left where they project this. They try to basically project American racial categories onto a region that just totally rejects them and resists them. I think on the right and on the left, people will just take. They'll take something crazy from Israel out of context, like something really bad that one person said and say, oh, you know, clearly Israel wants to do X, Y or Z. It's like, well, you know, if some obscure government minister says something nuts, right? Like, we don't. It's not fair to. Regardless of which party's in power. You know, it's not fair to conflate. Right. You know, one crazy person in, you know, an obscure government position with an entire political party or with the entire country, certainly. Right. I think that's a problem. The other thing I would Say too though is so much. And I think this is more the fault of the Americans who talk about it than it is Israelis. But to go back to the anti Semitism training, there's this impulse to say, well, anti Semitism, it's another ism. Frame Jews as victims and kind of add Jews to the list of victim categories. I just don't think that that's compelling.

[Andrew Colvett]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. And I think, I think it's self defeating. Yeah. And I think, and I think Israel is actually like a very cool country. And if they talked more about the coolness and the tech and the military. Right. You know, one reason I think you do see some of the anti Semitism percolating on the right in, in some cases is that, you know, if you think about how to reach like young men who are turning. Right.

[Andrew Colvett (Guest Host)]

Yes.

[Andrew Colvett]

Send to the Tel Aviv for a weekend.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. Well, no, yeah, probably, probably would, would make a more pro Israel. But also. Right. You know, how not to reach them. You don't want to do this kind of hectoring school marm. Like you have to be, you're, you're a bigot for X, Y or Z. Just, just because people have been sort of trained understandably from all the dei to react with suspicion to any kind of accusation of bigotry. Again, there is real anti Semitism. It's a problem. But you know, when you lecture people, I just don't.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah. And I think some, and this is where I get some pushback. I was just debating the other day privately with a very nice woman who you would know, I'll tell you off camera. And she was insistent that you can't. If you are anti Israel, you're anti Semitic. And I said, well, what do you mean by anti Israel? And so. And she was getting to the place where like you must support the Netanyahu government, otherwise you're anti Semitic. I'm like, that's. You're going to lose people. Here's your reminder to watch this full interview. Members.charliekirk.com this week is super crazy because of all the travel that I'm doing. I'm in Asia, I'm all over the place. But I'm looking forward to getting back to our members call. Be right back.

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[Andrew Colvett]

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[Charlie Kirk]

It's a human.

[Andrew Colvett]

Therefore they should have human rights. No, he's a liar. You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. It's very clear. Clear by how you're acting. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day. You are doing something that is bigger than you. A lot of people. How we doing?

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[Charlie Kirk]

Know, there's a lot of Jewish people, there's a lot of conservative American Jews who think the Netanyahu Government mishandled the war and would prefer like Naftali Bennett, who's actually to Netanyahu's. Right. So I mean, that's the other thing people don't. It's a very complicated situation. Right.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think there needs to be a little bit of allowance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But like, here's another thing I would say I don't know how, I have no idea how they would do this, but one thing I've been doing since April is actually taking Krav Maga lessons. Krav Maga is the martial art of the Israeli Defense Forces. It's cool.

[Andrew Colvett]

I think every young Jew should learn it.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But also, just like young people, it's good exercise. You feel like a badass after you do one of the moves correctly. You're basically learning to be like a real life action hero who can actually defend yourself and your loved ones from an aggressor. And like, I would just think again, if you're trying to reach, you know, young men who are tired of being scolded and tired of human rhetoric. Right. Don't just, just talking too much about anti Semitism. Again, I'm not saying don't talk about it at all, but like, if you want to make people just think Israel's cool, like talk about Krav Maga, talk about like the badass stuff that comes out of Israel. Like I feel like a lot of young guys, if they see think Israel and they think, oh, cool fighting system that teaches us how to, you know, defend ourselves against criminals, it's like, okay, that's the kind of message that like a, you know, a young, like 18, 20 year old guy is going to like. Right?

[Andrew Colvett]

Yes. And the more they understand Islam, the better Israel looks too. They have no idea what Israel is up against. Right. Which is these Islamic barbarian monsters.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which everyone, no one wants to say out loud. But so final thought on that though. How would you say is a domestic prescription to quell and defeat this rise in Jew hate which rots the brain and destroys the soul?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, look, I generally go back to if you enforce the laws evenly and just hold everyone to the same standards, I think you do end up solving a lot of the problem. You get rid of a lot of the protests that violated the content neutral rules. You, you show that, look, just everyone has to treat each other equally. You model that kind of ethic of equality. You know, I think just talking about again, dividing the world into oppressor and oppressed, that's never going to end well for the Jews. So getting rid Of DEI is good. That's very fundamental, that's very important. And yeah, I mean that's basically what I would say.

[Andrew Colvett]

Look.

[Charlie Kirk]

And the other thing I would say though too is just unfortunately, you know, anti Semitism's always been with us. It's not a rational force. And we no longer enjoy the kind of golden era where you could just take this very pro Israel and philo Semitic consensus for granted.

[Andrew Colvett]

It's a new terrain.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And you know, like probably not the worst thing for Jews to learn some self defense. I unfortunately.

[Andrew Colvett]

But how can people follow you, support you? Look at your work.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm on TwitteraronSavarium. I write for the Washington Free Beacon.

[Andrew Colvett]

Which is great, by the way.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, great.

[Andrew Colvett]

They do important work. Talk a little bit about that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, yeah, sure. So we're one of the few outlets on the right that's really dedicated almost exclusively to investigative reporting.

[Andrew Colvett]

Yeah, I know. That's what makes you guys different.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And I think for young people interested.

[Andrew Colvett]

It'S the most important type of report.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. I would say there's also a temptation on the right in particular to want to go into opinion journalism which we've sort of over indexed on.

[Andrew Colvett]

Guilty.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, no, look, I mean I was that way as a college student. I was like, ah, I want to, you know, be a New York Times columnist and spout off my views. The reality is that, that it's not impossible to be influential as an opinion columnist. It's very, very difficult.

[Andrew Colvett]

I agree.

[Charlie Kirk]

And it's much easier. You'll get much more bang for your buck if you go into so many unreported stories in this country. And to be honest, it does not. It's not all that hard. It's not all that hard to do. Takes a little work. But like, you just, you interview people, you get people to give you documents and you just, you report it accurately. You don't have to editorialize. You let the facts speak for themselves.

[Andrew Colvett]

Aaron, thank you for your time. Incredible work. If I was giving out Pulitzer prizes, you would have got one. Especially for the monoclonal antibody story. Thank you, Aaron Saberian. Keep up the great work. You're welcome back anytime. Have a wonderful weekend, everybody. Shabbat shalom. I'll see you guys on Monday. And I'm traveling all over the world. God bless you guys. Have a wonderful weekend.

[Charlie Kirk]

This is an Iheart podcast.