The Charlie Kirk Show, September 9, 2025

Summary

The Charlie Kirk Show - Real America’s Voice

Episode Date: September 9, 2025
Host: Charlie Kirk with guests Ben Shapiro, Terrence Bates, Trisha McLaughlin, Jack Posobec
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts (Real America's Voice)

Episode Overview

This episode of The Charlie Kirk Show dives deep into current political, legal, and cultural events through a conservative lens, prioritizing themes of American values, the sanctity of natural rights, runaway crime, racialized media narratives, and the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas. Guests include Ben Shapiro (discussing his book "Lions and Scavengers"), Trisha McLaughlin (DHS/ICE), and Jack Posobec (commentary on viral cultural moments). The episode combines critical analysis, emotional response, tough critiques of political opponents, and signature right-wing humor and rhetoric.

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Main Themes and Key Segments

1. Natural Rights and the American Birthright

• Segment Lead: Charlie Kirk (16:17–25:14)
• A passionate defense of the American theory that rights are inherent and "come from God, not government," referencing the Declaration of Independence as America’s "birth certificate."
• Critique of Senator Tim Kaine:
  Kirk plays audio of Tim Kaine questioning the idea of rights coming from the "creator," lambasting him and Democrats as fundamentally un-American and equating their views to those of the Iranian regime and tyrannical governments.
• Key Quote:

  "Government does not make your rights. Government can only respect them or violate them. This is pretty non controversial stuff right now." — Charlie Kirk (06:57)

• Kirk connects this theory to broader critiques of Democratic policy, abortion (as rights being "granted" by politicians), and authoritarian regimes.

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2. Racialized Crime, Media Bias, and the Reaction to the Zarutska Killing

• Segments: Throughout (00:52; 24:49; 27:47; 96:32)
• The murder of Irina Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee in Charlotte, becomes a flashpoint for Kirk, who accuses the media and liberal activists of hypocrisy in their response to interracial crime.
• Kirk attacks "race hustlers" like Van Jones for criticizing his framing of the story, citing the suspect’s own statement ("I got that white girl") as evidence of racial motivation.
• Comparison with George Floyd:
  Ben Shapiro is brought on to refute the idea George Floyd’s killing was racially motivated, countering CNN narratives and implying a double standard in national response.
• Key Quote:

  "If a random white person simply walked up to and stabbed a nice law abiding black person for no reason, it would be an apocalyptically huge national story used to impose national sweeping political changes on the whole country. Of course this is true. Everybody know this is true." — Charlie Kirk (25:10)

• Additional Cases: Kirk cites several recent murders of white women by black perpetrators, emphasizing media underreporting and alleging broader societal risks.

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3. Israel-Hamas War, Israel’s Strikes in Qatar, and U.S. Policy

• Segments: 03:05; 31:19–45:44
• Israel’s attack on Hamas leadership in Qatar:
  News is reported (unconfirmed by Israeli officials at the time) that top Hamas leaders have been killed. Ben Shapiro explains the strategic calculus, the difficulties of war termination, and U.S.-Israel relations.
• Kirk and Shapiro both stress the difficulty of “PR wars” and challenge claims that Israel is committing genocide or ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
• Key Quote:

  "There is literally no definition of genocide by which Israel is committing a genocide. Typically, a genocide involves the targeted killing of the vast majority of the population, or at least an attempt to do so." — Ben Shapiro (39:39)

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4. Immigration Raids and the Supreme Court Decision

• Segments: 58:25–67:42
• Interview with Trisha McLaughlin, DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, on "Operation Midway Blitz"—a coordinated crackdown on criminal illegal aliens in Chicago and Illinois, following a Supreme Court decision allowing continued detention based on race, ethnicity, or language.
• McLaughlin and Kirk denounce sanctuary city officials for “protecting monsters,” discuss targeted arrests (e.g., for sexual assault against minors), and call for mass arrests and more aggressive federal action.
• Key Quote:

  "We are hiring tension, 10,000 new ICE enforcement officers so we can continue to really flood the zone in these sanctuary cities and get these criminal illegal aliens out of the country." — Trisha McLaughlin (63:51)

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5. Cultural Decline and Viral Moments

• Segment with Jack Posobec: 81:44–93:42
• Discussion of the viral "Phillies Karen" baseball incident (woman berates father, who gives her his son’s home run ball)—used as a metaphor for the decline of Western values, fatherhood, and societal courage in the face of aggressive “woke” or entitlement culture.
• Quote:

  "When a dad catches a ball for his son, that's a sacred moment. ...the son sees him in these videos, his father takes that away from him and hands it over to this screaming harpy. Isn't that a microcosm of everything...?" — Jack Posobec (85:06)

• Recapitulation of the Zarutska murder, noting bystanders’ passivity as emblematic of desensitization and the breakdown of civic courage.

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6. Crime Statistics and Racial Data

• Segment: 96:32–101:45
• Kirk shares FBI data on violent crime, highlighting disparities in black-on-white versus white-on-black crime, contending the media suppresses discussion, and advocating a “war on crime” and stricter sentencing.
• Controversial Claim:

  "Do you know that 1 in 22 black men will be a murderer in their lifetime? Let me say that again. One in 22 black men will be a murderer in their lifetime. That is according to the FBI data..." — Charlie Kirk (97:30)

• Kirk explicitly frames the national debate as being about the right (and necessity) to discuss these figures openly for the sake of public safety.

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7. Other Notable Segments & Memorable Quotes

• Ben Shapiro’s Book "Lions and Scavengers" (46:09–51:27)
  • Discussion of Western civilization as beset by forces of envy and resentment, both inside and outside ("scavengers").
  • Quote:

    "The radical LGBTQ group doesn't have much in common with the pro Hamas group, except that both really, really hate the west and believe that the traditional values of our civilization need to be destroyed." — Ben Shapiro (47:16)

• Bibi Netanyahu’s MAGA/Israel Comment:
  Kirk and Shapiro discuss Netanyahu’s much-criticized claim that “you can't be MAGA if you're anti-Israel,” both are skeptical but draw a dividing line at pro-Hamas sentiment.
• Campus Tour Promotion:
  Multiple references to Charlie Kirk’s American Comeback Tour at colleges, promoting direct dialogue with students.
• Sports Riffing:
  Charlie’s extended, half-humorous lamentation over the Chicago Bears' loss, connecting sports management with failed city leadership in Chicago.

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Noteworthy Quotes & Timestamps

• On Natural Rights:
  "Our rights. Coming from God makes them inalienable because they are rooted in the equal God given dignity shared by all human human beings." — Charlie Kirk (14:45)
• On George Floyd Case:
  "If they had found George Floyd dead in his home, they would have assumed that he died of a drug overdose." — Ben Shapiro (29:38)
• On Israel/Gaza War:
  "As far as sort of operational front... Israel has complete air superiority over the Gaza Strip. If it wanted to level the place and turn it into a parking lot October 8th, it certainly had the military capacity to do so. It has not done that." — Ben Shapiro (37:28)
• On Cultural Decay:
  "Isn't that a microcosm of everything... where someone's screaming and a man just doesn't step up and stand up and stand his ground or turn the other cheek..." — Jack Posobec (85:06)
• On Crime and Policy:
  "It's time to bring back the three strikes. Three strikes. You, by the way, you get all three strikes. If you just attack a random person on the side of the street, you're done. You're just going to, you're going to jail for the rest of your life." — Charlie Kirk (97:23)

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Structure and Tone

• Structure: Varied segments: political discourse, interviews, news interludes, audience calls to action, and unfiltered commentary, bookended by repeated plugs for other podcasts and sponsor messages.
• Tone: Confrontational, at times caustic, but often humorous and heavily laced with skepticism toward mainstream narratives and progressive politics. Use of strong rhetorical flourishes and provocative statistics to reinforce ideological positions.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode can be best described as a wide-ranging and impassioned defense of conservative values under threat. Kirk and his guests attack perceived liberal double standards (on race and violence, immigration, and international affairs), forcefully reassert the religious roots of American liberty, and call for both legal and cultural resistance to what they see as the erosion of Western civilization. Multiple high-profile news stories (Zarutska murder, Israel-Hamas, ICE raids, viral "Karen" moments) are connected by a common theme of societal decline and the need for reassertion of traditional values and authority.

If you want a window into current conservative grievance, cultural and policy priorities, and the arguments animating the right in 2025, this episode is essential listening.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Charlie Kirk]

The Charlie Kirk show starts now. For Charlie Kirk to say we know he did it because she's white, when there's no evidence of that, it's just pure race, race mongering, hate mongering, it's wrong. Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there'd be sweeping changes imposed on society. Where is the George Floyd Policing Act? It didn't pass even when you had a white police officer murder a black man on live television. The whole world saw there were no sweeping changes. In fact, not one law was passed in federal level that we don't know how to deal with people who are.

[Ben Shapiro]

Hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people, hurt people. What happened was horrible.

[Charlie Kirk]

Someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him. Most murders in the US Never become national news. This one's garnered attention for a couple of reasons. Number one, first and foremost, the recent release of that gruesome video. Second, the energy from pro Trump activists. They picked up on this video from local news and ran with it. It's a little bit like the times when civil rights groups have raised attention about police involved shootings. In this case, it is Trump aligned influencers who are posting up a storm about this case on social media. Really? Over the weekend, Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, other Trump aligned figures succeeded in making this senseless death a symbol of big city crime. The open racism. On sites like X Today, it's eye popping. But there are also legitimate questions about this so called career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender. Public transportation has become an epidemic of violence and homelessness across the country. And so we don't have a ton of equities at dot, but we do have money. Your federal tax dollars go to fund a lot of these transit systems across the country. And we have to look at them and say, well, maybe it's appropriate that we start pulling some of that money back because I don't think the American taxpayer wants to pay for the homelessness. And criminal element that harm little 23 year old girls like this who are going home from work from ordering a pizza that they're going to get stabbed in the neck. And liberals want to hide that story so you and I don't talk about it. So the American people don't know that their failed policies don't work for the American people.

[Terrence Bates]

Israel has struck Doha, Qatar.

[Charlie Kirk]

The Hamas leadership there, remember Qatar is one of the two mediating countries. Qatar and Egypt trying to come up with an end to this war away from Gaza uses Qatar as a base of operation. And according to Israeli television, and we do not have this confirmed, but Israeli.

[Terrence Bates]

Media claims that five of the top.

[Ben Shapiro]

Leaders of Hamas at their headquarters was.

[Charlie Kirk]

Targeted by an Israeli and IDF airstrike.

[Ben Shapiro]

And they were killed.

[Charlie Kirk]

And so if you look at our policy proposal, we put forward over the course of the primary a belief that the two most productive ways in which to raise that revenue would be one.

[Ben Shapiro]

By raising the state's top corporate tax.

[Charlie Kirk]

Rate to match that of New Jersey, and two, by raising New York City's personal income tax rate on the top 1% by 2%. Those two things together raise $9 billion. There are a number of approaches we could take in city government that would raise an additional billion dollars. That $10 billion covers the cost of our major policy programs and starts to trump proof the city.

[Terrence Bates]

They say you're helping them certify this move towards authoritarianism.

[Charlie Kirk]

How do you respond to that?

[Carol Markowitz]

The court decides cases as they come. And one thing that I try to emphasize to students and one thing I.

[Charlie Kirk]

Try to do in the book is.

[Carol Markowitz]

Place the court in the context of history. We're not deciding cases just for today. Cases that we decide today are going to matter four presidencies from now, six presidencies from now, and so on. Each of these cases that we're getting, you know, well, I mean, some of them overlap, but many present different constitutional issues.

[Charlie Kirk]

The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't come from the government, but come from the creator, that's what the Iranian government believes. It's a theocratic regiment that bases its rule on Shia law and targets Sunnis, Baha', Is, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling. Charlie.

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[Charlie Kirk]

Every day there's a battle for your mind, raging information coming from every angle.

[Terrence Bates]

With the will to deceive.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fear not, you found the place for truth, the voice of a generation that still has the will to believe in the greatest country and in the history of the world. This is the Charlie Kirk show. Buckle up. Here we go. Okay, everybody. Radio stations across the country, honored to be with you, as always. We're here@the Bitcoin.com studio. Bitcoin.com studio in the court. When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation. We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, organizing its powers in such form as them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness. That is the beginning of our birth certificate. That is our birthday, July 4th, 1776. That is the Declaration of Independence. Now you read this. Articulated by Thomas Jefferson and the American founders is a theory and understanding of natural rights in government. This is very simple, elementary stuff. Said differently, our rights come from God, not from government. It makes our country unique. What are natural rights? Natural rights are basic freedoms we are born with because we are human, the first of which is life, then liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You do not earn them, and no government gives them to you they are built in. Where do they come from? They come from God or at the very least from nature's law. Government does not make them. They can only respect them or violate them. Let me say that again. Government does not make your rights. Government can only respect them or violate them. This is pretty non controversial stuff right now. I was in Asia last week. I was in South Korea and Japan and I saw this story and I made a note to myself I gotta talk about it next week. And yesterday was such a busy news day that we didn't have an opportunity to cover is without a doubt one of the darkest, most chilling things I have heard a US Senator say. And we've heard some beauties. This is not just some sort of local college campus student people say all the time. Charlie, why do you debate these college kids all the time? First of all, they're adults, they're voters, it seem by millions of people, all of that. But hold on. This is a US Senator that does not know as much as some of the college students that I will be dialoguing with tomorrow at Utah Valley University in Utah. This is Senator Tim Kaine in one of the darkest pieces of tape that you will find. This is a US Senator who went to Harvard. So when I say that college is a scam, this is exhibit A. He went to Harvard with a J.D. literally, he has a J.D. from Harvard. Tim Kaine is talking to Bobby Kennedy about some health thing, some h. A whole hearing was a drive by shooting that the Democrats tried to do against. Try to do against Bobby Kennedy and the US Senator who supposedly pretends to be a devout Catholic. So we're talking about where do rights come from? This is fundamental. What Tim Kaine has said, I hear often from a lot of these campus activists. You have to wonder how many Democrats also believe this. Everybody. What you're about to listen to is Exhibit A of evidence that the Democrat Party represents a country not called America. The Democrat Party, they believe in a country that is not this country. Tim Kaine, what he says here, if what he says is true, then what we are is no different than China. If what he says is true, we are no different than North Korean Chinese people have rights. They are disgranted or denied by their government. We are leading with this today because this is without a doubt one of the most important chilling clips ever. And it's not even about making fun of him. This shows that we are up against an existential parasitic force that does not even share our simple birth certificate. They have a different birth certificate For America. And it's not the Declaration of Independence. Here is Tim Kaine play cut 342. The notion that rights don't come from laws and don't come from the government, but come from the Creator. That's what the Iranian government believes. It's a theocratic regime that bases its rule on Shia law and targets Sunnis, Baha', Is, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities. And they do it because they believe that they understand what natural rights are from their Creator. So the statement that our rights do not come from our laws or our governments is extremely troubling. Woo. He believes the government gives you rights, that laws give you rights. That's why he's okay with aborting babies. Because those humans have no rights. Because the government hasn't given those rights to him. That's why he's fine with mutilating kids and trans surgeries. Because those kids have no rights. Because the government hasn't given those rights. Yeah, he's fine with potentially gulags because the government. There's nothing wrong with mass murdering people in gulags because the government didn't give those rights to them. The government decided not to give them those rights. And someone should ask Tim Kaine. Tim Kaine. We're not going to use the Holocaust example cuz that one is overused. Was Mao wrong to mass murder millions of people? The government decided not to give those people rights. We believe in something transcendent above government that government appeals towards. Government's job is to protect our unalienable rights that we were born with. That every human being is born with. Our rights. Coming from God makes them inalienable because they are rooted in the equal God given dignity shared by all human human beings. This is a inarguable spiritual element to our nation. Some people say, oh, Tim Kaine is kind of dumb. Obviously he is. He went to Harvard. But that means absolutely nothing. But it's worse than that. He didn't come up with this. He is simply a mockingbird parroting something that is infected. The Democrat Party, they don't think we have inalienable rights. They think there's nothing special about being a human being. If rights come from the government, the government can take them away whenever they want. They can take away your right to speech and yes, your right to life. They can drone strike you whenever you want. This is why America is unique. Let me repeat again. All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. This is why we are a refuge for liberty. The founders tied our freedom to something higher than politics. Tim Kaine acts as if our rights are like a driver's license. Driver's licenses can be given, suspended, or revoked. That's what government given rights look like. Government given rights are like driver's licenses. We believe that natural rights are your birthright. You don't apply for them, they're yours by birth. It's because you're human. If Tim Kaine is right, Stalin was justified, Hitler was justified, Mao was justified. Maduro is justified. Rights aren't favors from politicians. Government does not give you freedom. It protects the freedom you already have because you are a human being made in the image of God. And the natural law dictates that if government can give them to you could take them away. That's not freedom. These are not privileges, these not preferences. There's something special about being a human being and that is not just some local yokel. That's not just some sort of person on college campus. That is a U.S. senator who almost became Vice President United States in 2016. That, that yammering fool was inches away. He was 40,000 votes away from becoming the Vice President United States under Hillary Clinton. So this is an existential issue and a little window into what we're fighting against. This is more than just a difference of opinion. It's of a difference of birthright. We'll be right back.

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[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.

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Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Charlie Kirk]

Where tyranny dies and wisdom lives. The Charlie Kirk Show. Welcome back, everybody. Email us always freedom charlie kirk.com I mean, we commonly say praise God President Trump prevented Hillary Clinton from becoming president, but praise God, he prevented Tim Kaine from becoming vice president. That alone, he should just have a permanent place in our hearts as doing a phenomenal contribution to American society. We all dodged a bullet. And I guarantee you, I mean, he said it out loud because he's some staffer gave it to him. But I guarantee you Kamala Harris believes this. They do not believe in the natural rights theory of government which is self evident. As soon as you believe there is a natural law of which there is that normativity is woven into nature, that there is a natural being to our existence in physics and math and morality and thermo in thermo and thermodynamics, whatever you look as if there is a law in nature then immediately you can say then who is the law giver? Once you admit there is a natural law, there is a law giver. And that is why Thomas Jefferson said the laws of nature and nature's God. That is in the declaration. Tomorrow we're back on campus. Why Refi is supporting our campus tour. Private student loan debt in America totals about $300 billion. Why refi does not care what your credit score is folks. Let's face it, if you have distressed or defaulted private student loans, nobody's coming to bail you out and bankruptcy is not an option. Go to yrefi.com do you have a co borrower? Why Refi can get them released from the loan and you can give mom or dad a break. Go to yrefi.com you can skip a payment up to 6 times 6 months of 12 times out penalty going to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com may not be available in all 50 states. Go to yrefi.Com bad credit is accepted again. We have an amazing opportunity tomorrow on campus brought to you by Yrefi. They'll save you thousands of dollars by refinancing and even lowering your total cost. Go to yrefy.com that is yrefi.com Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com the importance of natural rights is it makes your rights eternal and transcendent and nobody can ever take those rights justly away from you. It's a big deal when you think about it. Email us freedom charliekirk.com Race Hustler Van Jones got mad at me last night. We discuss okay everybody, welcome back. Email us as always, freedom charliekirk.com so last night on Saturday CNN. The only time I ever watch CNN is when they mention me or Scott Jennings owns somebody. So Van Jones, who's actually a very pleasant person, he's actually the nicest communist ever met in my life and he's very sweet. I met him during one of my things I shouldn't have been doing, which was advocating for prison reform. I'm atoning for my sins. Everybody okay, Anyway, so Van Jones was talking about me, and there's so much. There's so many lies involved in what he said here. First of all, I never said the first element what he said. I did say the second part. But this is a very important thing to focus on. So Van Jones is saying I should be ashamed of myself. And just reminder, the murder of Irina Zarutska. Did you know that the attacker said, quote, I got that white girl. The attacker racialized this just for the record. Now, mind you, do you notice that the media all of a sudden tries to play the moral high ground when we start to try to make them live up to the standard that they created and the construct that they forced and the paradigm that they constituted under George Floyd, the moment that we make them have to live up to their own standard, they start to cry foul. As soon as we start to make them live up to the George Floyd standard. Oh, what is Charlie Kirk racializing this? And by the way, Van Jones also has a major lie embedded into this whole thing. Listen carefully. Race hustler, Marxist. Van Jones. By the way, Van, you're welcome on my program. I'll treat you well. I will give you an uninterrupted opening statement. Van Jones, if you want to go talk about black crime and urban decay, man, you're always welcome on this program because even though, quote, unquote, you're an expert in race hustling. I've been around the block a couple times. I know your tricks and they don't work here. Your magical spells don't work here. You're a little hocus pocus. You are racist. Doesn't work here. We got holy water here. Play cut. 351. Charlie Kirk. To say we know he did it because she's white when there's no evidence of that. It's just pure race. Race mongering, hate mongering. It's wrong. Then he says that if something like that had happened the other way, there'd be sweeping changes imposed on society. Where is the George Floyd Policing Act? It didn't pass even when you had a white police officer murder a black man on live television. The whole world saw there were no sweeping changes. In fact, not one law was passed at the federal level that we don't know how to deal with people who were hurting in the way this man was hurting. Hurt people. Hurt people. What happened was horrible. Someone like Charlie Kirk, he should be ashamed of himself. No one mentioned the word race, white, black, or anything except him. Okay? So there's a lot of there's a lot there. First of all, when Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of Minnesota was asked repeatedly by the media, was there racial animus involved in Derek Chauvin's actions against George Floyd? He said no. And they dodged the question. Do you know that there is no evidence that Derek Chauvin acted racially? If you think Derek Chauvin acted racially, then you're a racist. Then parting racial type fantasies and mythologies into a situation of which did not exist. And by the way, just if you're taking notes, media matters. George Floyd overdosed. Okay, you can write that down. Take to the bank. In fact, we have Ben Shapiro coming up next segment of which I'm going to have him remind us of all the facts. Anyway, that's not what this is even about. Here is the tweet that I sent out. Quote, if a random white person simply walked up to and stabbed a nice law abiding black person for no reason, it would be an apocalyptically huge national story used to impose national sweeping political changes on the whole country. Of course this is true. Everybody know this is true. Our media thirsts for stories like this. I want you to imagine if a white guy sitting on a bus and a black woman just on her phone, all of a sudden the white guy took out a knife and just stabbed her in the neck repeatedly. How do you think our media would react? We would have protest. Wendy's would have point. I'll tell you right now, there would be 100 burned Wendy's around the world. I mean in every city. I mean it would be so on top. They'd start burning the Denny's. They use Emmett till 70 years later because of this. Because it's a case of a horrifying murder of an innocent black person by hateful whites. It's so rare they had to go back 70 years. But you know what? When a white person is murdered, we don't burn down the country. But when George Floyd overdosed on drugs, it's Floyd of Palooza. But for the opposite, we have to go back one day. Literally there was another. You know, several happened this last week. Another white girl was just murdered by a black person in Alabama. A woman butchered walking her dog. There was also one that happened in South Carolina and one that happened in Virginia. That is four white women in the American south that just recently were butchered by black criminals. So we take a step back and say, well, what's really going on here? What's really going on here is a situation where Van Jones is acting like I said something I did not say. When in reality we're asking a very simple question, Mr. Jones, very simple question. Which is will you apologize for all the criminal justice reform that you pushed forward that allowed these 14 time criminal offenders to walk the streets? Because you are the architect and the designer of constantly feeling bad for the criminal that then can kill more people like Irina Zarudska. And by the way, I did not bring up race. The attacker said, quote, I got that white girl, end quote. People say why does the race matter? Oh, it matters because you made us care about race in the summer of 2020. Looks like you got live up to the book of your own rules. The second that we make you live up to your ridiculous paradigm, you collapse like a house of cards. Ben Shapiro's next.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.

[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sexual, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Charlie Kirk]

I just give my love and hope to the family of the young woman who was stabbed this morning or last night in Charlotte by a madman. A lunatic just got up and started.

[Terrence Bates]

It's right on the tape.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not, not really watchable because it's so horrible. But just viciously stabbed. She's just sitting there. So they're evil people. We have to be able to handle that. If we don't handle that, we don't have a country.

[Terrence Bates]

Police confirm the suspect has a decades long criminal history, including a five year prison stint. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Charlie Kirk]

Fact first, America first. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Okay everybody, welcome back. Email us. As always, freedom. Charliekirk.com I want to remind you guys to go to Hillsdale College as charlieforhillsdale.com America's greatest college. Charlieforhillsdale.com you guys can take the online [e-mail] in this eight lecture course. They have amazing ones that you guys could check for, check out. More importantly, you can see that faith, family and freedom worth fighting for. Charlieforhillsdale.com that's charlieforhillsdale.com joining us now is a good friend, Ben Shapiro, author of Lions and Scavengers. Congratulations, Ben, on the new book the True Story of America. And we will get to that in great detail. I want everyone to check it out. It's lions and scavengers. Ben, the previous segment I was refuting Mr. Van Jones on a variety of different things because he decided to attack me on cnn. But I want you've done really important work on George Floyd's cause of death. Can you remind the audience what your study and your research showed about George Floyd overdosing on drugs?

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. I mean it was basically just the autopsy report. I mean, the autopsy report showed that he had a massively enlarged heart, that he had extraordinary quantities of drugs, including fentanyl in his system. Enough fentanyl to kill a normal person multiple times over. The original coroner suggested that if they had found George Floyd dead in his home, they would have assumed that he died of a drug overdose. If you actually watch the tape of the confrontation with the officers, he's saying, I can't breathe. Well, before he gets out of the car. In fact, one of the reasons they take him out of the car is he's taken out at his own request. And so, again, the medical evidence does not suggest there's no damage to his trachea. There's no damage to his neck. The medical evidence does not suggest that he actually died as a result of Derek Chauvin's knee on his neck. It suggests that he died as a result of probably excited delirium, meaning elevated heart rate as a result of both ingesting drugs, enlarged heart, and the excitement of being arrested.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, and on top of that, they also say that this was racially motivated. Is there any evidence at all that there was racial animus in this situation? So Van Jones said it was obviously a racial thing. Hold on. If you're. You're actually imparting your own racial stereotypes onto a situation in which even Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of Minnesota, rejected the claim that race was involved in this, is that correct?

[Ben Shapiro]

This is exactly right. I mean, there was a federal civil rights charge that was brought against Derek Chauvin, and it did not even allege that there is a violation of civil rights on the basis of race. So literally no one, not the prosecutor's state, not the prosecutors, federal, no one made the actual legal claim that the actions of Derek Chauvin were rooted in racism. The best available criminal case against Derek Chauvin would have been like a low degree manslaughter case for negligence in his handling of the actual situation. But literally zero evidence was provided to the idea that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because George Floyd was black. That just was not inevitable. It wasn't even alleged.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. And you've done phenomenal work on this. Everyone should check it out. It's really important. Shifting gears here for a second. So we're on team civilization here. We want to see the maniacs of Hamas be defeated and the barbarians of Islam not be able to storm the gates of the West. So we've seen news this morning that, quite honestly, I'm a little confused by And I was hoping you could navigate it and help us understand, which is that Israel bombed Qatar, which houses a lot of Hamas officials, what happened here? And if I were to introduce just the skeptical question, will this potentially endanger America's own interests in the Middle East? So please, Ben, help me better understand the situation.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sure. So I think that the lead up to understand here is that Qatar sort of plays both sides when it comes to its negotiating stance between Hamas and Israel and the United States. So it has provided extraordinary material support to Hamas directly, billions of dollars in material support to Hamas. The leadership of Hamas have been living in Qatar for years at five star hotels. Hamas's priorities have been pressed by Qatar in negotiations multiple times. Qatar has not put significant pressure on Hamas in the past to release the hostages or to end the war. And so basically, as Israel nears the end of the war, which is what this last movement in Gaza City is supposed to be, there was a final offer that was put on the table actually by the Trump administration that essentially said that Hamas should Release the remaining 48 hostages, meaning 28 dead bodies and 20 alive hostages. And. And the United States would then guarantee, through its own honest brokerage, some sort of end to the war that would result in the disarming of Hamas and the movement of the Gaza Strip to presumably some sort of coalitional government supported by regional states and the rebuilding of the area. And Qatar was pushing Hamas, apparently, we heard, and Hamas this morning, in Arabic, actually rejected it. That's not been widely reported by the media, but it's true. Hamas actually rejected the American offer. The President had put out, via Truth Social, a statement saying, this is your last chance, and if you don't do that, bad things are going to happen. The idea that Israel would be able to fly 10 F16s all the way across the Middle east to Qatar to strike a very specific terror target in Doha without American knowledge beggars the imagination. It is extraordinarily unlikely, to say the very least. Honestly, it would not be wildly improbable if Qatar knew that that was coming as well. And so Israel struck at the top level of the remaining Hamas in Qatar in an attempt to basically change the negotiating status. So the basic idea here was, is if you will not negotiate, if you refuse to get to the end of this war, well, then maybe we'll find somebody who can. Or maybe the idea is that you're safe nowhere until this war ends. Additional pressure had to be brought to bear, and that's why Israel did what it did. Obviously, I as well am on Team Civilization. I'm very happy to see Hamas's top leaders killed. I hope that as many of them in the leadership, with as little loss of civilian life as possible, I hope that as many of them died in this attack as humanly possible. And again, I'd be very surprised. I mean, we do know actually from contemporaneous reporting that the United States was at least given the heads up on the Israeli operation in the moments before it went.

[Charlie Kirk]

I just spent time in Japan and one of the things that kind of looms over Japan is that Japan, they engage in an unconditional surrender that they said, we're done. And they laid down their arms, obviously after the two atomic bombs. Very controversial. People have mixed opinions on it, I certainly do. But that, that is unconditional surrender. Is that what Israel is aiming for here? I suppose that is a question that I get a lot on campus. What does success look like? Because I think we could all agree a long war is not good for Israel. A long drawn out war. And we're now ending, we're coming towards two years in about a month. So it's been about 23 months. So what does ultimate success look like in the Gaza Strip?

[Ben Shapiro]

My main critique of the Netanyahu administration in Israel and Netanyahu government is they didn't move faster. I think this should have been a much more accelerated process. Israel set out at the beginning of this war with two goals as articulated by the Israeli government. Goal number one was to get as many hostages out as humanly possible to free the hostages. And second was to win the war. In many ways, those are mutually exclusive goals, because if you actually wish to win the war, then then you have to do things militarily that are going to involve actual movement on the ground. And meanwhile, Hamas is attempting to basically use the hostages as its own form of human shields. They've used their own civilians as human shields. They're also using the hostages as a form of human shield. And so as you came to the end of the war, this is always going to be. The question is how the war kind of came to its final terminus. The priorities that Netanyahu has laid out publicly include essentially, basically, it's let the hostages out and there can't be a future military threat to Israel. Those are, if you had to sum it all up, those are the two things. How that materializes, in my opinion, is likely to be an Israeli military occupation of large swaths of the Gaza Strip, the setting up of humanitarian areas, particularly on the coast and in Rafah. In which humanitarian aid is provided a pathway out for people who actually want to leave. This is the only conflict of which I'm aware on planet Earth in which there are outside countries telling people who would like to leave that they literally cannot. The Trump administration has been trying to facilitate the ability of people who want to leave to do so, and has also been trying to facilitate the entry of. Of not only humanitarian aid, but investment into the areas that have been cleared of terrorists. And then you can see some sort of Hamas free rebuilding that would be the goal of the end of the war. Now, my understanding is that the sort of last untouched area of the Gaza Strip in terms of Israeli serious military operations is Gaza City. It's why there's been so much focus on Gaza City. Last I heard, Israel already controls something, 40 to 50% of the territory in Gaza City. They've been warning people to get out for at least a couple of weeks now. Hamas has been stopping people at checkpoints and turning them back and shooting them if they don't stay in the city to be used as human shields by Hamas. So that's the current situation on the ground.

[Charlie Kirk]

What other feedback or criticism would you have about this situation? I know that it's impossible for anyone to listen to everything that you ever say, but looking at this from a American perspective, what else would you say? Things could have been handled differently, maybe on the PR front, maybe also just on a conduct front. Where would you say, as an outsider, things that could have been handled better, more efficiently, or with more precision?

[Ben Shapiro]

So, number one, there's no such thing as a perfect war. So obviously, in any war, there are gonna be things that happen that are ugly and that are terrible, and that is why war is a terrible thing. As far as sort of operational front, again, I've spent an awful lot of time in Israel. I've watched tape of operations happening, drone operations. I've met with an enormous number of Israeli soldiers, young men and women, people who are 18, 19, 20 years old, who have had legitimately their limbs blown off going house to house in an area where they didn't have to. The charge that Israel has been indiscriminate in its use of force in the Gaza Strip is an absurdity on its face. Israel has complete air superiority over the Gaza Strip. If it wanted to level the place and turn it into a parking lot October 8th, it certainly had the military capacity to do so. It has not done that. Instead, it has sacrificed legitimately a thousand of its own young men, particularly in these areas, and thousands more who are wounded for the rest of their lives going house to house in an attempt to prevent all that, and is currently shipping in 4,400 calories per day per person into the Gaza Strip, much of which is then stolen by Hamas. So that is not to say that any, that any war is perfect. This war has been conducted in about as meticulous way as any urban war in history. Just because war is ugly doesn't mean it's being fought wrongly. And I think that the main mistake that Israel has made is misunderstanding how, how public relations works in the sense that they couldn't have presented this war in a better kinder way, that people would have loved what they could have done is move faster. And the reality is that the American way of doing war is to win as fast as possible. And we don't like long drawn out occupations, don't like long drawn out military operations. That's true in Iraq, it's true in Afghanistan, it's true in Ukraine, it's true in the Gaza Strip. And so the kind of things that we Americans like to see are, for example, the operations against Hezbollah that took about three weeks to five weeks, or the operation against Iran which took about 12 days. Right. Those are operations that any ally of the United States can sustain, which long operations like the one that Israel has been performing in the Gaza Strip are inherently very, very difficult from, from PR level. And I'm not sure, to be frank, that there is a way for Israel to, quote, unquote, win the PR war in the middle of a very long war against an intransigent terrorist enemy that legitimately embeds itself in the most damaging places.

[Charlie Kirk]

A claim I receive often, and we're starting our campus tour tomorrow, is that Israel is committing genocide. How do you respond to that, Ben?

[Ben Shapiro]

There is literally no definition of genocide by which Israel is committing a genocide. Typically, a genocide involves the targeted killing of the vast majority of the population, or at least an attempt to do so. There has never been a genocide attempted in world history in which the. The food that was being shipped in was more than the daily caloric intake of the average American into the areas where you're supposedly attempting to genocide the population. The total population loss in the Gaza Strip thus far has been 3%. During the Holocaust, just to take a reference, it was 50%. During Rwanda, it was significantly higher than 3%. You don't issue leaflet warnings to people. You don't go house to house in a genocide in an attempt to reduce civilian casualties. I understand that people use genocide at this point to just mean thing I don't like and I get that. I understand nobody likes war. Nobody wants war. Certainly not the Israelis who are not at war on October 6. The fact is that every Israeli family has to send their 18 year old son or daughter off to the military with the possibility that they're going to get blown up in Gaza. That is not something that any Israeli wants, right, left or center. The real question is whether the accusations are accurate. They certainly are not, again, by any stretch of the imagination.

[Charlie Kirk]

Author Ben Shabir Author of Lions and Scavengers we'll get to that in a second. I have one or two other questions on Israel. I think it's very important for our audience to hear this though, because there is an incessant campaign and one thing a friend said to me interestingly, which is, okay, Charlie, we've pushed back against the media on Covid, on lockdowns on Ukraine, on the border on so maybe we should also ask a question. Is the media totally presenting the truth when it comes to Israel? Just a question. You know, that maybe we shouldn't believe everything the media says because I know I've been conditioned to ask a lot more critical questions over the last couple of years. Ben shapiro Stay right there. Goodranchers.com Check it out right now. Goodranchers.com promo code Kirk When I found out that over 4 billion pounds of meat were imported into the US last year, just think, all of it could be labeled like it's from here. But it's not. Good ranchers.com all their meats, 100% American, raised on local farms, delivered right to my door. I myself am a subscriber and the benefits are amazing. I get $25 off every box, free shipping, every free gift and every order go to good ranchers.com promo code Kirk that is good ranchers.com promo code kirk for $40 off plus free meat for life. Good ranchers.com welcome to the table that is good ranchers.com Promo code K I R K good ranchers.com Promo Code Kirk Ben Shapiro continues In just a second we're going to go through the breaks here. Subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast. Email us freedom charlie kirk.com Stay right there. Back in 10 seconds. Ben Shapiro continues with us, author of Lions and Scavengers. So Ben, some people would accuse Israel of wanting to ethnically cleanse. Some people in the Israeli government are saying, again, it's all over the place. Right? You have opinions all over. In your opinion, what would a good outcome five years from now be. And how does one respond to the claims of ethnic cleansing?

[Ben Shapiro]

So ethnic cleansing, the idea presumably that population movement is equivalent to ethnic cleansing. I think ethnic cleansing is a term that's been fairly recently coined to describe population movement during war. And the reality is that's been ongoing for literally all of human history. The idea that Israel is quote, unquote, forcing people out of the Gaza Strip, that is not the stated policy of the Israeli government. The idea is if people want to leave, they can, but they're not being forced to leave. Again, moving people out of heavily urbanized areas that are honeycombed with terrorist booby traps pretty much everywhere is not the same thing as quote, unquote, ethnic cleansing. And I think that ethnic cleansing is very often used as sort of a softer form of the genocide attack. The idea being that Israel is trying to kill everyone, which of course is not true. As far as your earlier question about what we believe from the media, one of the things that I find kind of astonishing in some of the folks on the right who are highly critical of Israel is actually the lack of credibility, the lack of skepticism when it comes to legacy media. Legacy media are radically anti Israel overall. The New York Times can, can certainly not be accused of being a pro Israel outlet. Be very difficult to make the accusation that the Associated Press, which is wore cannon glove with Hamas for years or Reuters, that these are, these are wildly pro Israel outlets. And yet when it comes to the reporting, it seems to be sort of the opposite. The perception the legacy media is like, owned by the Jews.

[Charlie Kirk]

I was going to say, Ben, you Jews own the media, Ben. So, I mean, come on, as you could tell by all the wonderful headlines you guys get.

[Ben Shapiro]

Well, I mean, dude, the accusation that we own the media has not prevented, you know, the Daily Wire from employing people who radically disagree with me on all of these matters. I mean, I don't agree with Matt Walsh on foreign policy. Matt obviously is a major host over at Daily Wire and that's just my shop. And I'm overtly pro Israel. Right. I'm not making any bones about this. I'm a Jew and I'm a Zionist. I'm not going to pretend that to say otherwise would be absolutely silly to suggest that, that some sort of atheistic Jewish person by birth who does not care about Judaism or Israel owning the New York Times means the New York Times has pro Israel is to ignore literally every bit of coverage they have ever done for my entire lifetime.

[Charlie Kirk]

We're running out of time here, but just Last question on this, Ben. I know this might be a tougher question, but Bibi said, quote, I didn't like he said this. I'll be honest, you can't be MAGA if you're anti Israel. I don't like it for a couple of reasons. How did you analyze that statement from Bibi?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, I think that there is the ungenerous way of interpreting that and then the generous way of interpreting that. So the ungenerous way is to suggest that you have to hold a particular position on every Israeli governmental activity in order to. In order to be maga, which of course is not true. I mean, you can disagree from the right or from the left with Bibi's policies, and you can still be plenty maga. I think the idea that the Bibi is putting out there is that if you are taking Hamas's side against Israel in a conflict, it is very difficult to align that with the stated positions of the Trump administration or what President Trump himself is doing right now. And that much I certainly.

[Charlie Kirk]

You cannot. Look, I think you can have disagreements on Israel and still be maga. Obviously you should be America first, but if you're pro Hamas, you're something darker and we shouldn't put up with that. Ben, stay right there. Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email us. As always, Ben Shapiro is author of Lions and Scavengers. Ben, tell us about your important new book.

[Ben Shapiro]

So the basic idea in Lions and Scavengers is that inside every human heart, and this goes back to the book of Genesis, that there really is the dutiful part of you that wants to engage in what God made for you. This incredible rationalistic world in which you can mostly understand what's going on and you have a duty to do the moral thing. You get up every morning, you try to build something, you try to be innovative and risk taking. You try to defend your civilization, you to try, you try to build the social fabric. And then there is the part of us that's driven by envy. And that part of us just looks at our problems and immediately attributes it to some shadowy force outside of our control and tries to rip down the very systems that actually provide prosperity, tries to rip down the lions out of pure envy. Here. Think Zoran Mamdani. You know, that exists in all of us, but it exists civilizationally as well. And when you look at the sort of activities that were taking place on college campus last year and you see the weird agglomeration of causes that all come together under varying banners, sometimes it's Hating President Trump over immigration. Sometimes it's on Israel, sometimes it's on lgbt, but it's the same exact people all marching together. And you wonder yourself, what do these people have in common? And the answer is pretty much nothing, except they really, really don't like our civilization and see the fundamental basis of our civilization as evil and wrong and believe that it needs to be torn out by the root. This is, to take the most obvious example, queers for Palestine everyone's been puzzling over. What the hell is that, right? Queers in Palestine get thrown, thrown off buildings. So what is the answer is that the radical LGBTQ group doesn't have much in common with the pro Hamas group, except that both really, really hate the west and believe that the traditional values of our civilization need to be destroyed in order so that they can live more fulfilling lives in some way.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what you write, you write in here, lions and scavengers saying, it's the true story of America and you, you seek to defend the principles that shape freedom of a fair and powerful society. We would imagine those emanate from the Bible, obviously. And is Islam compatible with our civilization? Would you put them, would you put them in the scavenger category?

[Ben Shapiro]

I certainly think that the Islamic civilizations that we're seeing contemporaneously on the globe, it's very hard to see how that fits in sort of the lion category. It doesn't mean that there aren't individual Muslims who fit in that category or that there can't be a sort of interpreted version of Islam that couldn't fit into the idea of a God given world in which you have duties and creative power in line with kind of general, very broad principles of biblical morality. But I think the proof is in the pudding. You're not seeing a lot of Islamic countries on planet Earth right now that live by any of the fundamental principles like freedom of mind, private property, equal rule of law, applying to all citizens, and traditional virtue.

[Charlie Kirk]

What would you say is the missing component for those of us in the west to stand up against these forces? What would you say we're doing well and that we need to do more of?

[Ben Shapiro]

I mean, I think that what we lack, and I think we're starting to see a restoration of it, is the courage to actually stand up on our hind legs and say, no? I think that good people tend to be introspective. We tend to think, okay, what did I do wrong? How do I fix that? We tend to apologize when we do something wrong. Bad people tend to take an apology and Then grind your face into the dust over it. Because they're not engaged in guilt cultures. They're engaged in what are called shame cultures where the most important thing is not to be made to feel shame and it is to shame others. And so I think that we, you know, those of us who consider ourselves part of Western civilization, you know, we need to recognize that a constant self abnegation, a constant attempt to tear ourselves down out of a misguided sense of humility in the face of people who, who are happy to just destroy our civilization from without and within, that is a gigantic mistake. And it is totally fine to say to people who wish to destroy our civilization, no, your values suck and they don't belong here.

[Charlie Kirk]

Where does all this resentment come from?

[Ben Shapiro]

It comes from a wide variety of places, but it tends to come in general from a feeling of frustration and innovation. And so I think that you can get that from people who believe they have been marginalized. You can get that from people who, who believe they deserve more. You see it a lot actually, with university students who seem to believe that they deserve a $250,000 salary for a gender studies degree because they've been taught that they ought to be getting more. And then they don't get it. And then they're angry at their parents for, for not having put them in a position to do that. And so they rebel against everything that they've been taught or, and everything they haven't been taught. I also think it comes from a board population. Very often you have people who grew up without any sense of external threat and they think that pretty much everything that's good in life is the baseline, that that's just normal and that you can tear away everything without the, the baseline falling away. That of course, is just false. Some of it comes from ignorance, some of it comes from envy. The reality is that gratitude as a characteristic of human beings has to be cultivated. It's something you have to teach your kids. Gratitude. Envy is totally natural, right? Envy. Envy is easy to do. You see, you see it with small children, right? I have four. And it's very easy to see kids envy each other and get on each other's kids. Being grateful for what they have is a very difficult thing. You have to teach your kids to say thank you. You don't have to teach your kids to say no.

[Charlie Kirk]

The book is Lions and Scavengers. Boy, that, that, that feels like the whole story of Zoran Mamdani, the resentful, envy driven, bitter Islamist who wants to be mayor of New York City. Ben, thank you for your time and thanks for going through all the questions on the very important topics today. Lions and Scavengers is the book. Thanks so much, Ben.

[Ben Shapiro]

Thanks Charlie.

[Charlie Kirk]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

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[Charlie Kirk]

In many schools today, students are instead indoctrinated with anti religious propaganda, and some are even punished for their religious beliefs and very, very strongly punished. It's ridiculous. I'm pleased to announce this morning that the Department of Education will soon issue new guidance protecting the right to prayer in our public schools, and it's total protection.

[Terrence Bates]

Meantime, the Trump administration is celebrating a win before the Supreme Court after the justices ruled that immigration officials can continue to detain people based on their race, ethnicity or language. Monday's ruling puts on hold a Los Angeles District Court judge's ruling which temporarily stopped the practice of detaining people without reasonable suspicion about their legal immigration status. Following the ruling, the Department of Justice promised to quickly resume roving patrols in Southern California. US Attorney General Pam Bondi calls the SCOTUS opinion a massive victory, saying that ICE officials can now carry out patrols without what the what she calls judicial micromanagement. In her dissent, liberal Justice Sonia Sotomayor, writing, the administration, quote, has all but declared that all Latinos, US Citizens or not, who work low wage jobs are fair game to be seized at any time, taken away from work and held until they provide proof of their legal status to agents satisfaction. That's a quick check of your headlines.

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[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time, long enough to know that.

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It'S gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normally a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. You listen soon.

[Charlie Kirk]

Welcome back, everybody. Email us. As always, freedom. CharlieKirk.com here@the Bitcoin.com studio. Joining us now is Trisha McLaughlin. Trisha, congratulations. You just got married. That is amazing. It's the best of all the news and you have a great husband. So congratulations. You look like you are beaming. You are the DHS Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, Tricia. What is Operation Midway Blitz and what are the goals?

[Trisha McLaughlin]

Charlie, thank you so much for having me and thanks for the congratulations. We're very excited to be married. So Operation Midway Blitz, ICE and CBP are on the ground right now in sanctuary city of Chicago and broader Illinois under J.B. pritzker. Under President Trump, we have lodged over 2,000 detainers in Illinois alone. In just eight, eight of those have been honored. Those detainers have been lodged against members of Ms. 13, Trende, Ragua, convicted murderers, Charlie, child predators. And yet these sanctuary city politicians refuse to play ball and continue to put out these worst, the worst criminals back out into Illinois streets to reperpetuate these crimes. It's disgusting. It's disturbing. And if JB Pritzker and these sanctuary politicians will not enforce the law, if they won't protect their own constituents, then Secretary Noem and President Trump are going to step in and do it for them.

[Charlie Kirk]

So let's, let's dive a little deeper here. There's a new Supreme Court decision, from what I understand, that now allows this to happen. Is that correct?

[Trisha McLaughlin]

Well, I guess more broadly speaking, Charlie, there's actually a lot of misinformation and false reporting out there about the Supreme Court decision. It's saying these claims from the media, the New York Times are saying that there's indiscriminate stops being made, that there's racial profiling being done by our law enforcement. That's absolutely false. Under the Fourth Amendment, our law enforcement is protected to use reasonable suspicion to make, to make arrests and to question these individuals who are criminal illegal aliens. And that's exactly what we're doing, whether it be in Los Angeles, whether it be in Chicago, or whether it be in Boston.

[Charlie Kirk]

So in Chicago, who are you arresting? Are you guys able to do broad daylight interceptive raids of people that might be walking about? Is it people that have ICE detainers on them? Tell us more about this Operation Midway Blitz.

[Trisha McLaughlin]

So, unfortunately, because Chicago and because Illinois, their law enforcement refuses to work with our ICE enforcement officers, we can't go into those jails and remove those individuals who have been convicted of the worst, the worst, vile, cruel crimes. Instead, we have to put our officers on the ground there. Actually, just yesterday, we released a list of individuals who are convicted criminals, including convicted murders, child predators, rapists who are currently at large in Chicago. These are the folks that we're targeting. First and foremost is those violent criminals who pose a public safety threat. That's really who our ICE officers are targeting. The media would love to force feed the American public these sob stories, but. But in reality, across the country, including in these sanctuary cities, 70% of those individuals who we've arrested either have pending criminal charges or convictions already against them. And Charlie, that doesn't even include those individuals who are known or suspected terrorists, gang members, even having Interpol notices because they don't have rap sheets in the United States of America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right. So I guess could you guys do something as simple as just waiting outside of the jail that as soon as they get released, then you can intercept them because then they're no longer in the jurisdiction of the city. I mean, this is so outrageous. Why are we putting up with this Neo Confederism? It's time for us to start arresting these mayors and these city council members. Are we really in a place where Chicago and be like, oh, sorry, feds, you're not allowed to deport child rapists? Is that where we're at?

[Trisha McLaughlin]

No, I think that's absolutely not a place where we're at. And we're working with the Department of Justice and really making sure we Keep all of these options on the table. I mean, we've introduced new functions, including being outside of courthouses so that those people who have had their day in court, we, as soon as they are deemed to be in this country legally, we will take them, we will arrest them and we will deport them. But Charlie, remember, these arrests don't even need to be on the table because what could be happening is those who are in this country legally could leave now. They can get a thousand dollars and a free ticket home. It's a very generous offer, the U.S. taxpayer. And then they avoid being arrested and deported. But if they don't leave now, we will arrest them and we will deport them and they'll never be able to come back to the United States of America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Okay, so let's play some piece of tape here. Here is Brandon Johnson, the worst of the worst. Let's play this. Play cut345. When the President of the United States of America put so much money into ice, where the only other forces that have more resources than ICE is the United States government's army and China's army. That's a problem, that's a threat to our democracy. I mean, so what is your reaction to here? And I just got to be honest, this feels fundamentally deranged to me. That there are millions of ways to commit a federal crime, but local officials willfully defy and sabotage ICE attempts to deport people isn't one of them. Why have we not started arresting these city officials?

[Trisha McLaughlin]

He doesn't even know what the heck he's talking about. He's comparing ICE to the Chinese military. I wish we had even greater resources and funding. Fortunately, because of that one big beautiful bill, we do. And we are hiring tension, 10,000 new ICE enforcement officers so we can continue to really flood the zone and these sanctuary cities and get these criminal legal aliens out of the country. And that funding is especially helpful for these detention bed spaces that are fundamental for turbo charging our arrest numbers. But you're completely right, Charlie. This man is unhinged. He's clearly uneducated and doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's play another piece of tape here. So let's go to cut 364.

[Terrence Bates]

Early this morning I was out with.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of Ice's teams and we arrested this individual. His name is Juan Gaspar and He is a 43 year old illegal alien from Mexico. He has been convicted in 2024 of forcibly sexually assaulting a child under the age of 13.

[Terrence Bates]

He was taken as you can see here without incident.

[Charlie Kirk]

But this is all part of the exact sort of violent criminal illegal alien that the ICE operations hope to bring.

[Terrence Bates]

In, apprehend and ultimately deport.

[Charlie Kirk]

Tell us more about the situation.

[Trisha McLaughlin]

Yeah, this is one of the targets of our operation. This is an individual who sexually assaulted a minor. And Charlie, it is stunning. Just every single day I receive a report on my desk of the worst, the worst that have been arrested in the prior day. And it's just stunning and really alarming and disturbing to see the number of child pedophiles, the number of monsters who exploit children who are on that list, who have been walking around American communities terrorizing children, terrorizing family with impunity for years now in J.B. pritzker and Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom in these sanctuary city politicians would rather protect these monsters than the innocent children that they victimize.

[Charlie Kirk]

Let's play one last piece of tape here. This is a very important one. Let's play. This is Tom Holman play cut 373. The men and women that rise, I.

[Ben Shapiro]

Want to they're mothers and fathers too. They don't hang their heart on a.

[Charlie Kirk]

Hook when they come to work every day. They put themselves in harm's way to.

[Ben Shapiro]

Go look for the worst of the worst.

[Terrence Bates]

And we got hateful Rhettic not only.

[Charlie Kirk]

Coming from governors and mayors who are.

[Ben Shapiro]

Pushing a false narrative, but members of.

[Terrence Bates]

Congress who are comparing to terrorists and Nazis. And bottom line is if ISIS Nazis.

[Charlie Kirk]

For enforcing immigration law, what's that make them? They wrote the law. ISIS isn't making this up. They're enforcing laws enacted by Congress that they're funded to do and for.

[Terrence Bates]

And it's the same thing we've done for decades.

[Charlie Kirk]

Final thoughts, Trish McLaughlin and what are the calls to action here for the audience?

[Trisha McLaughlin]

Borders are home and is absolutely correct. Dhs, ICE and CBP are law enforcement entities. DHS is a law enforcement agency. If you don't like the law, these members of Congress, these politicians can try and change the law on the books. They need to stop demonizing our ICE law enforcement agents. They're facing a 1,000, 1,000% increase in assaults against them. And it's not just the officers. Their family members, where their children go to school, where their spouses work, are being doxed online. It has to stop now. Someone is going to get hurt. And is incumbent upon these Democrat politicians to turn the rhetoric down. But we're encouraging all patriots, please look at joining [e-mail] we're calling all patriotic Americans today.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you, Tricia. I appreciate it. They're not going to turn down the rhetoric. We need mass arrests. Keep up the great work and congratulations on getting married. Email us freedomarliekirk.com Enough is enough. Enough happy talk. We need perp walks, handcuffs, and mayors in jail. Be right back.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hammond.

[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Charlie Kirk]

The next great awakening is here. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Okay, everybody, welcome back. Email US as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. That is the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. I want to tell you guys about why refi. It's yrefi.com, yrefy.com we have our amazing campus tour coming up tomorrow. We are back in season, everybody. It is my favorite time of the year. We're in season, I think all February, all March, all April, part of May, all September, October, November. So about eight months of the year, we're quote, unquote in season where we're traveling the country, we're debating, we're dialoguing, we're all over the place and we love it. It is amazing. Why Refi makes it possible. Why Refi is a privately held student loan company. If you go to yrefi.com you can read testimonials from other people who have been where you are and how they've escaped. You can see what their monthly payments were versus what they are now. Go to yrefi.com that is yrefy.com that's called 888 Yrefi 34. That is 888 Yrefi 34. You can skip a payment up to every six months, up to 12 times that penalty. Go to yrefi.Com let's face it, if you have a distressed or defaulted private student loan, you guys got to check it out right [e-mail] that's why? Refi.com. okay, I want to play a piece of tape here of our upcoming campus tour. It's coming up tomorrow. Utah. Be there. If you're in Utah, you have to be there. Play cut 53. You guys know how it works. Open mic. We're gonna be here for a couple hours, so get comfortable. So you would get rid of all borders?

[Ben Shapiro]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

What species is the baby in the womb?

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

It's a human.

[Charlie Kirk]

Therefore, they should have human rights. No, He's a liar. You're a typical leftist because you only care about yourself, not about the other people. It's very clear by how you're acting. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day. You are doing something that is bigger than you. A lot of people. How we doing? I'm gonna move like a runaway don't turn it back up and cut your pace I do not care what the others say Listen, I told you that that did not come to play. We about to take it to higher heights History's waiting when I arrive Today is the dawn of a new and I'm about to shuffle now they can hold me down when you will win then you learn from your losses. We came from the bottom and now we the bosses. The future is yours.

[Jack Posobec]

So what will you choose?

[Charlie Kirk]

If you give it your all, you got nothing to lose. Okay, everybody. Welcome back. Email us freedom charlie kirk.com here@the bitcoin.com studio and subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. That is the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. Just a reminder, tomorrow we'll be on campus at Utah Valley University. It is the American Comeback Tour. We have thousands and thousands of tickets that have already been facilitated, and I think you guys should check it out right now. American Comeback Tour.com. that is American Comeback Tour.com. see, Blake is such a Packers fan. He said, what should we talk about? Oh, talk about the Bears. I'm not talking about the Bears. Okay? I even put my group chat. I said, the Bears are winning by 14 points. This is a very strange thing. I don't know how to handle it. Oh, but don't worry. I got back down to what I was used to awfully quickly, which is a tragic, embarrassing loss on national television. The Bears are who we thought they were. The whole thing is messed up. I don't want to talk about it. Anyway, we'll be back on campus [e-mail] that is American comeback tour.com. the Bears put on a masterclass, one of the worst coach games in the history of football, it was so bad. They challenge in the second. You never do this in the second half. You should be smacked across the face. He challenged what was not even a close call of Noah Sewell, you know, with a fumble. What happens when you lose a challenge? You lose a timeout. So you lose a timeout. You need to stop the clock. And they only have two timeouts left, and they can't do that. And then some rocket scientist on the Bears, I'm screaming at my tv, I woke up everyone. They decide, well, you know, we have to kick the ball. And it was like 2 minutes and 2 seconds left. Okay? And they're down by. Down by three points. 2 minutes, 2 seconds left. So with 2 minutes and 2 seconds left, you have to make sure that the ball either goes out of bounds or that you kick it off so they can't do a turn. You only have one timeout left. Why does that matter? Well, because then the two minute warning stops the clock. And that is a built in timeout for when the Vikings run the ball. Inevitably, what do they do? They allow the Vikings to return the ball. They're basically ending the game. The Bears find ways to disappoint us post1985. It's fine. We still won a three Super Bowl. And let's count how many Super Bowls the Vikings have won. That's what I thought. Okay, email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. So much going on here that we have to cover. Oh, yeah, my team's telling me that the. The. That's right. It's no longer be the Chicago Bears. It will be the Arlington Heights Bears. I'm of the opinion the move to the Arlington Heights stadium is going to be great. People don't like it. My family's like, nah, it's not going to be good. I think it's going to be great. I think that we can finally have a new identity, get out of Chicago. And that's actually a really good connection to some political issue of Mayor Johnson. Mayor Johnson is so bad that he has successfully driven the Bears out of Chicago. That's as bad as it gets. I mean, that is. That is peak level failure as a mayor of Chicago. He has driven the Bears out of Chicago, out of Chicago and into a dome. I'm not sure it's going to be a dome. I think it's like a retractable roof that they're able to do indoors events and they should be able to open it up. However, part of me is kind of a little sad because there is something uniquely Chicago about Soldier Field when it's negative 10 degrees. Just something iconic about that and something rather beautiful. Anyway, it was the most Bears game I've ever seen in my life. Everyone is watching. I'm getting texts from people. Charlie, you must be really happy. I wasn't even. I'm not even. That Caleb Williams, he's kind of a fairy, not a huge fan. Whatever. You got to cheer for him because it's the Bears the way it works and they want to indoor Super Bowl. They can host super bowl and March Madness games. Packers will be the last team to actually play in the snow. And look, I actually don't hate the packers as much as I hate other teams. I have deep respect for the packers in a lot of different ways. And here's Blake giggling his way to whatever an NFC championship. I got to tell you though that there's something very alluring. You got the Vikings inside, you got Detroit inside and you still have the packers that are going to play outside. You got, you got to respect it. And the Bears are, you know, going inside and honestly it's. Maybe it'll be a nice little, you know, supercharge a turbocharged. The Arlington Heights Bears. How does that sound? They've driven them out of New York City again. Here was the problem. They built New Soldier Field back when I was a kid and it would. No one ever liked it didn't work. It was super clunky. They should have just went all in and built a multi billion dollar stadium like a billion dollar stadium back when it mattered anyway. All that to say Brandon Johnson's a complete disaster. Chicago is an unrecognizable form of its is a version of its former self. And it's too bad. And since Chicago is this once great city that is so in desperate need of a leader and Brandon Johnson is just. Is just a nightmare. Email us as always freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast that is the Charlie Kirk show podcast. We have a lot more to cover here. And as I wallow in our Bears stuff. And again, it would have been one thing if they just had a typical loss. The fact it was like the season opener at Soldier on national television. This is just such a typical. My friend says typical Bears fan. I'm not going to talk about the Bears. And then I rant about the Bears for the next five minutes. It's just, it's what we're used to which is pain and suffering. Everything post 1985 Caleb Williams. I'll tell you what, that guy with his black nails, he's just. He's going to wear a tutu to the next game. Oh, we have Jack Posobec to talk about the the Phillies fan. Not over it. I'll see you. I'll see. Just stay right.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Ham.

[Carol Markowitz]

And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.

[Carol Markowitz]

That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor.

[Carol Markowitz]

We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.

[Mary Kathryn Hamm]

So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday.

[Carol Markowitz]

And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Terrence Bates]

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[Charlie Kirk]

I just give my love and hope to the family of the young woman who was stabbed this morning or last night in Charlotte by a madman. A lunatic just got up and started.

[Terrence Bates]

It's right on the tape.

[Charlie Kirk]

Not, not really watchable because it's so horrible, but just viciously stabbed. She's just sitting there. So they're evil people. We have to be able to handle that. If we don't handle that, we don't have a country.

[Terrence Bates]

Police confirm the suspect has a decades long criminal history, including a five year prison stint. That's a quick check of your headlines.

[Charlie Kirk]

Relentless in spirit. You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show. Welcome back, everybody. Email us as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. Let's see what we have here. My Patriot Supply. It is time that you guys can prepare. That is my patriotsupply.com my patriotsupply.com September is national Preparedness month. So it's the perfect time to ask yourself questions like how much food do you have on hand for emergencies? How would you get clean tap water if the tap how would you get clean water if the tap went dry tomorrow? Go to my patriotsupply.com that is my patriotsupply.com so check it out right now they just launched their Preparedness month mega kit and it includes a full year of emergency food. Go to my patriotsupply.com that is mypatriotsupply.com Kirk, you can get 90 preparedness essentials totaling over 1500 dollars absolutely free. Go to my patriotsupply.Com Kirk. Joining us now is Jack Posobek who is a Phillies fan and an Eagles fan. The whole thing's all messed up. Jack, welcome to the program. Jack, what happened at the Phillies game this week? We have all the tape.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, Charlie, I just, just want to be clear, to be clear, that's super bowl champion Eagles. The champions of the NFL, Philadelphia Eagles.

[Charlie Kirk]

Just, just saying I don't hate the Eagles as much as most people do. I dislike the Eagles. That's true. That's true.

[Jack Posobec]

But you have not.

[Charlie Kirk]

I, I honestly and I was, I call it like it is. Jalen Hurts. Legit. Great story. I sent out a beautiful Tweet with him for after he won the Super Bowl. And I meant every single word. And there's a lot of teams I don't like, and I get a lot of hate, but, boy, I don't like those Dallas Cowboys. And I think we can all agree. We can all agree on that.

[Jack Posobec]

That was. That was quite a win on Thursday Night Football against the Dallas Cowgirls. But, yeah, the. The Philly. The Philly game, which was not in Philadelphia, by the way, has gone quite viral. I've gone quite viral for. For talking about this. And there's this incident, even though it was down in. It was a Phillies versus Marlins game. And there's this video of this woman who's now been dubbed the Phillies Karen. There's been some people who've tried to look up her name, but I don't know that any of that's really been accurate, so I'll leave that off. But she's been dubbed the Phillies Karen who. They're going for a home run ball. Of course. Everybody goes for home run balls at Phillies games. I certainly was raised, you know, going for balls at Veterans Stadium. He's called the vet back in Philly in those days. And she sort of. She's in the scrum. She's in the scramble, going for a ball. Dad gets it, walks over to his son, it's his birthday, hands it to him, puts it in his glove. Then the Karen comes over and starts yelling and screaming at the man. And then something very interesting happens that's actually been misreported by a lot of conservatives out there. They claim that the woman took the ball from the little boy, but that's actually not true. And that's something that I've been trying to correct the record on because of the misinformation that's going out there. The woman didn't take the ball at all. It's the father who takes the ball from his own son's glove and hands it over to the woman. And, Charlie, my contention has been that's the decline of the West.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, right there, I will say that, yes, this. This father obviously has emotional stability problems. You could tell that he's got something off about him.

[Jack Posobec]

You can see it.

[Charlie Kirk]

No one acts like this. So I think you could tell there's. There's something wrong with him. And it's not even a matter of de escalation, just the way he did his hands. He's got.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, Charlie, I did do a little research, and I found out that this father. Turns out he's From New Jersey.

[Charlie Kirk]

So. Well, sure, that explains half of it, but not the whole picture. But there's the little shimmy shake. There's. He's got maybe a little Asperger type thing. And I'm not critic. I'm not accusing him. You just kind of tell there's something that's not quite right there.

[Jack Posobec]

This is just not a normal reaction.

[Charlie Kirk]

No, it's not a normal reaction. So maybe he was completely overwhelmed and intimidated by the situation and he wanted to protect his kid. By the tiny woman, what has happened next? What do we. What do we know about this. This woman who did this?

[Jack Posobec]

So there's been a couple viral claims about her identity. And however, there's also been a few times where it's. It's also come out where, in fact, women, because she's been so just turned into such a derisive figure that actually the women who have been identified as this woman have come out and released their own messages to the public saying, no, we are actually not that person. My gosh, how could we be? And there's been companies that, you know, have been associated with her that it turns out it's actually mistaken identity. And they've even put out statements saying, no, we would never employ somebody like that. So I'm not even sure whether her actual identity is out yet at this point. But I do know that the father here has been given a platform on a couple of local Philadelphia news networks, and they've been talking to him and talking to the son. And you can just see in those videos where, you know, he's. He's so dejected and, you know, he's. He's realizing that, you know, he's just. He just lost. And he, you know, he gave up everything that he had won, everything he had won for his family to this, this woman. And certainly there's plenty of, you know, memes and people laughing about her. But, Charlie, you know, I think, I look at this and I think about the stuff that you and I talk about on our programs, and I really see a lot here because, you know, I grew up with my dad taking me to go see Phillies games. And when a dad catches his ball, a ball for his son, that's a sacred moment. That's the father son bonding moment. And you can see the son's eyes. And you see him in these videos where his father takes that away from him and hands it over to this screaming harpy. And I just think, man, isn't that a microcosm of everything? The millions and millions of interactions around our society now that are like this, where someone's screaming and a man just doesn't step up and stand up and stand his ground or turn the other cheek, as the, as the gospel would say, and gives in. Just totally gives in and surrenders. And it's like, that's why we're in the mess we're in with everything.

[Charlie Kirk]

How should have the father have acted?

[Jack Posobec]

He just sit down. Literally just sit down. Just, just sit down and say, you know what? I'm not, not, not giving you the ball back. That's my son's. I want it fair and square. You got a problem, take it up.

[Charlie Kirk]

With this, with security.

[Jack Posobec]

You got a problem, take it to somewhere else. You know, we're not, we're not good. Look, when, when a ball's up, right, it's, it's, it's bouncing around the ball can do a lot of things in those stands. And once you have positive secured control, positive control over the ball, that's when it becomes that person's property. That's actually in the MLB handbook. But that's also just fair play. Everybody knows what a fair ball is. If you've been in any sports at all, it's a fair ball until someone catches it and secures it. So he had caught it, he had secured. It doesn't matter if she had her fingertips on it or her nails on it or something that. No, you just, you sit down and you say, you know what? Not interacting with. You don't care. Don't care. Don't care what you have to say. Take it up with somebody else, lady. And you just, you just break contact. You just break contact. You do the, you can do the old. Look at the watch move or whatever you want. Because I've seen, you know, a lot of commentary, people saying, well, what should he have done? What should he have done? You don't submit. You don't surrender. You stand your guard. You have to escalate. You don't have to yell, you don't have to scream. You have to get physical or anything at all. I mean, she's a tiny woman. You just sit down and literally shut them out. And if you do that, then guess what? These crazy liberal Karens, these liberal theater kids, they won't be able to control our society anymore because they have no power if we stop giving it to them.

[Charlie Kirk]

So what. How is she treated afterwards? By the Internet? And where does this now stand?

[Jack Posobec]

The Internet is certainly no fan of the Phillies, Karen. It's probably one of the most viral videos. Viral memes out there right now. Yeah, you got one up. Cruella Dafil. I've seen, you know, I've just seen meme after meme after meme of her. And then again, a lot of, unfortunately, this is a kind of a common haircut for a certain phenotype in our society. And so people have had trouble identifying which specific Karen this is. But there's some other videos of her as well that have come out. And obviously it's a little, a little lewd for, for broadcast, but she's actually giving a, say a one finger salute to a lot of the people who were in the stands, even at the game, who were booing her for doing this. Because even if Charlie, even if this was a situation where, okay, maybe she had caught the ball or not. How many times have you seen a viral video of a guy catching a ball and then he sees a little kid, little boy, little girl nearby, even if it's not their kid and you hand the ball to them, right?

[Charlie Kirk]

Always.

[Jack Posobec]

How many times have you seen that? Over and over and over. And that's a microcosm of the adults of the moms and dads handing over our society and using that to raise up and nurture the younger generation. Isn't that what it's supposed to be all about? But the fact that she didn't give it to the kid has turned into an absolute firestorm online.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, it's just this is, this has become a major situation and issue and yeah, I probably want to learn more about the dad. I mean, at least in my situation, I would never give up ball that my kid has. I mean, I would just say like, yeah, go, go away. But you understand though, does she not hold all the cards of power? Because in that situation, women in nothing will obviously go to physical blows, nor should it. But in that situation, she's actually in the power position there. A screaming woman at a baseball game has more power than the man does.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, in our current inverted society, certainly because we have this inverted victimhood hierarchy. So a white man is, you know, doesn't have as much power as the HR director, Karen. And so of course, you know, this is now unfortunately though, because this is all on video. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't do anything wrong at all. The only thing that he did wrong in the entire video that I've seen is hand the ball over to her. He didn't strike her, he didn't assault her. In fact, she actually grabbed him at one point. You can see her grabbing his arm and Kind of pulling him a little bit, which, you know, of course, it's a baseball game. Like, come on. You know, you're really gonna call that physical assault. But if you wanted to go to that level, she has no legal claim here whatsoever. And in fact, the law would be completely on his side. The only thing that she has on her side is the woke system of social justice that we have erected sort of around our entire society. The Longhouse, as our friend, our mutual friend Jonathan Keeperman would call it.

[Charlie Kirk]

There is new revelation here on the arena. Zarutska murder. What does this new video show? It shows that all the passengers just kind of sat idly by after she got stabbed in the neck repeatedly. This has become a new normal. We've seen this time and time again where people just have no care or concern when something bad happens. Jack, what is your analysis?

[Jack Posobec]

Well, you know, it's interesting. So I've looked at this video since it's come out, and, you know, it's kind of hard to.

[Ben Shapiro]

You have to put it.

[Charlie Kirk]

You're.

[Jack Posobec]

We're missing a piece of the video, right? So we're missing the actual moment when he stabs her, and this is the exact moment after when he stabs her. So I would like to see that middle point of the video to really understand what was happening here, because it seems to me that people are looking very confused right after the stabbing. And I don't even realize. I don't even think that, honestly, unfortunately, it may be that she doesn't even realize what has happened because the shock is so quick. And unfortunately, because of the size of the knife being so small, it does look like it's a situation. I haven't read the autopsy, but it's, you know, it's not like a Hollywood movie where you just instantly collapse or you're. You're shrieking. But if he nicked an artery, if he was able to nick something that's up here. There are times where a slow bleed out is something that they teach about in the military, can actually be fatal. But shock doesn't set in for, you know, another couple of seconds, another couple of minutes where she may not have even realized the danger that she was in. You notice that even in all of that, she doesn't put her hand to her neck. She sort of has her hands cupped in front of her face. And so again, like, I would. I would just want more information about what exactly went on in that situation. But no, you don't see anyone on the crowd, I think, in that train react for about 90 seconds or so once someone realizes there's this horrific trail of blood going behind the killer. And of course, he's saying there over and over, I got that white girl. I got that white girl. So someone clearly targeted because of the color of her skin for being white in America. And yes, nobody, nobody on that train. They didn't realize what was going on, or they did realize what was going on and they decided that they didn't want to get involved. Probably also because of the same system that we're talking about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jack, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks so much. We'll be back, everybody. Thank you.

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When you won, when you learn from your losses. We came from the bottom. You guys can check out it at american comeback tour.com that is american comeback tour.com brought to you by why refi american comeback tour.com I think you guys are going to really enjoy the tour. We're expecting a major crowd tomorrow. We also are going to Colorado next week. And then after that we have University of Minnesota, Twin Cities. Then we have Virginia Tech. Then we have Utah State, Montana State, University of North Dakota, Indiana, LSU, and Ole Miss. That is American Comeback Tour.com American Comeback Tour.com Email us, as always, freedomarliekirk.com and subscribe to the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. The podcast is doing quite well. We are right now number 10 in Apple News. That is the Charlie Kirk show podcast page. Be right back, everybody. Welcome back, everybody. Email us, as always, freedom charliekirk.com and subscribe to our podcast. There is another situation that we should know about. It's Julie Guard chanel. She was 59 years old, went to a park, this is in Auburn, Alabama, to walk her dog, and then she got stabbed to death by a guy who stole her car. Let's play cut353. Auburn police have made an Arrest in the death of former Auburn professor Dr. Julie Schnelli.

[Ben Shapiro]

This update coming just about five minutes ago.

[Charlie Kirk]

In a press release, Auburn police say they have arrested Harold Rashad Dabney III from Montgomery and have charged him with two counts of capital murder in connection to the death of Dr. Schnelli at Kiesel Park. This is going to be happening every single day, it seems like. So this is a. Logan Federico, a 22 year old aspiring teacher from Waxhaw, North Carolina, was visiting friends. Oh, that's a different one. This is a different, whole different one. This was in May. That's another white girl that was murdered by another black criminal. So it's just, it's just a theme. It's a crim, it's a pattern we're seeing. You can put her up on screen. This was Logan Federico. This one was in May of a random black criminal that was prowling around and killed another white woman. You guys are starting to see a theme here. See the left, they don't like it when I say things like this, but I'm sorry, you guys made the entire country burn and come to a knee change. The entire fiber and action of the entire civilization all around a lie. Because George Floyd overdosed on the side of the street. We are now going to make you live up to your own rules. We report empirical data. Logan Federico, that was her murderer. And then of course, in Auburn, the one we were mentioning, the suspect is Harold Rashad Dabney iii. We did do a initial search yesterday. It seems like he had a prior upstream arrest. We're waiting to confirm that. We were told for years that race based hate attacks are the worst thing in America. Well, if that's the case, it's pretty clear the most common race based hate attack is, well, it's not white people killing blacks, it's black people killing white people. So since it being the worst thing ever, why is it the media doesn't cover it? Well, Will Cain covered this extensively on his program. Will Cain deserves a lot of credit for this. And here are just some of the numbers. Some of the numbers are breathtaking when you go through them. I don't know if we have the piece of tape. If not, I will walk through some of the numbers here. Let's go to. I'm trying to get this to load, but yeah, I can't get this to load, but the numbers themselves are pretty shocking. And it's not white people killing blacks. This is why we support President Trump putting our military in our cities to protect our citizens. And so often these people have prior and prior offenses. It's time to bring back the three strikes. Three strikes. You, by the way, you get all three strikes. If you just attack a random person on the side of the street, you're done. You're just going to, you're going to jail for the rest of your life. We're done. We're not playing, we're not playing games of this anymore. Playtime is over. And if you're going to just walk around with weapons without any sort of designation and then commit crimes, those weapons, we're going to put you in jail. By the way, it's just so funny because the Democrats, they pretend to care about black Americans. They don't just, you know, interracial violence, crime incidents. Just so you know, there are 117,000 white on black crimes even though we are a white majority country and yet There are over 500,000 black on white crimes. Nobody would benefit more than black Americans from a general war on crime in all America. We need an all out invasion against crime. I want to attack, I want to protect all of the communities in America. So let's just go through this. There are 385,000 black on white violent crime incidents and only 117,000 white on black violent crime incidents. Do you know that 1 in 22 black men will be a murderer in their lifetime? Let me say that again. One in 22 black men will be a murderer in their lifetime. That is according to the FBI data that's verifiable. It's true. You go through the numbers, they're pretty shocking. You go through the numbers and you go into the detail, you kind of walk away and you say, boy, this media's really not been telling me the truth here. Of course not. In Minnesota, Blacks are 6.4% of the population and yet Blacks account for 62% of all the violent crime in Minnesota. According to 2021 FBI data, 1 in 22 males, Black males will murder someone at some point in their lifetime. And that's by the way, that's with most of black crime going unsolved. It's probably even higher than that because half of all black murders go unsolved. Half the projected lifetime murder rate for a Black male is 4508 per 100,000. By age 23, about half of all black males have been arrested. Let me say that again. By age of 23, half of all black males have been arrested. And not enough of them have been arrested. 385,000, nearly 400,000, three times as many blacks commit crimes against white despite being only 13% of the population. We need the fearlessness to say criminals are evil. 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