The Future of Digital ID | GIVE THANKS w/ Professor Penn & John Gapp | EP259

Summary

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Real America’s Voice – The Future of Digital ID | GIVE THANKS w/ Professor Penn & John Gapp | EP259

Original Air Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Professor David Penn
Guests: Minister John Gapp, Tanner (Producer/Contributor)
Run Time of Discussion: [01:08] to [97:15]

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Episode Overview

This Thanksgiving-themed episode of the Professor Penn Podcast (EP259) features an honest, far-reaching conversation between host Professor David Penn and regular guest Minister John Gapp. It intertwines reflections on gratitude, faith, the historical roots and contemporary meaning of Thanksgiving, and concerns about digital identification. The episode explores the struggle for American values, the effects of digital governance and surveillance, and the critical role of Christian faith and civic engagement in the face of cultural and political change.

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Main Themes

• The origin and spiritual meaning of Thanksgiving in America
• The nature and appropriate role of fear and faith in modern life
• The dangers and implications of mandatory digital IDs and digital currency
• The increasing erosion of personal freedoms by technological and political means
• Calls to civic engagement, especially for people of faith
• The importance—the necessity—of telling the truth and resisting contemporary “reversals” of foundational American and Christian principles
• Personal testimonies on faith, suffering, redemption, and the meaning of service

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Detailed Summary & Key Insights

1. Thanksgiving as a Holy and Civic Tradition

[01:08 – 06:03]

• Penn and Gapp set a reflective, spiritual tone, noting Thanksgiving as more than a civic holiday; it has deep religious origins, gratitude toward God, and was made a national holiday in tumultuous political times (debate about FDR vs. Lincoln—see [04:12]).
  • Quote [04:27, Penn]: “The holiday became civic right under the ... Roosevelt was elected in a time very similar to the one we’re in. Chaos reigned, culminated in a world war... But he believed in God.”
  • They reference the biblical notion: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself,” aligning it with scriptural encouragements to courage.

2. Faith vs. Fear in Modern America

[06:31 – 09:17]

• Stories of hunting in the woods and the visceral feeling of fear serve as metaphors for how fear, often based on imagined threats, is both a God-given sign and something to be mastered rather than obeyed.
  • Quote [06:03, Gapp]: “Fear is a lot of times just a liar ... Can you set your imagination on what God’s leading you to or set your imagination on the things that bring you terror?”
  • Quote [08:27, Penn]: “That’s a God-given emotion. But you have to take it under control. You can’t let it rule you.”

3. Reversal of Faith, Tradition, & American Identity

[09:17 – 17:13]

• Penn worries about how crises or violent events could disrupt holidays like Thanksgiving, seeing this as part of a wider “reversal” of Christian traditions (which he refers to as the Antichrist system).
  • Quote [09:17, Gapp]: “Reversing faith requires the reversal of the holidays, the rituals, the fundamentals of the religion, the subversion of all those things.”
• Discussion delves into the loss of Christian (and religious) wisdom in education and the public sphere, especially referencing how creation stories offer moral frameworks that scientific materialism does not.
  • Quote [13:08, Penn]: “In the other plan, there’s no wisdom. It’s just this kind of mechanistic survival of the fittest and natural selection. And it just doesn’t have that much wisdom to help me inform my own life.”

4. Science vs. Faith, and the Collapse of Cultural Wisdom

[17:13 – 18:31]

• Both men critique evolutionary theory as “devolving” rather than “evolving,” with Gapp noting how thermodynamics seems to contradict it and Penn referencing bifurcation theory. They stress that without spiritual wisdom, scientific “truth” lacks moral guidance.

5. Introduction of Digital ID Issue

[18:31 – 22:09]

• Penn introduces audio clips, first from Bill Gates outlining future digital identity frameworks, then from a BBC report on the UK's coming mandatory digital ID requirements.
  • Quote [19:54, Gates]: “Most of the time you’re online, you’re going to want to be in an environment where people are truly identified, that is, they're connected to a real world identity that you trust...”
  • [21:00, BBC Clip] Outlines UK’s new digital ID requirements for working, renting, etc.

6. Dangers of Digital ID & Government Overreach

[22:09 – 25:15]

• Gapp decries state surveillance in the UK and loss of privacy and autonomy that accompanies digital IDs, stating: “You just have less determination ... It can't function in a truly free society.”
• Penn frames the conversation: Two deeply opposing visions—the tradition of gratitude and faith, and technological-technocratic control.

7. The Loss of Gratitude & Generational Memory

[24:29 – 25:54]

• Tanner (younger generation) shares that Thanksgiving’s religious connotations were absent from his education—reflecting a broader secularization and loss of cultural roots.

8. Return to Gratitude: The Power of Thanksgiving Prayer

[26:06 – 28:46]

• Gapp discusses faith in the context of family and gratitude, quoting from Psalm 103: “Bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me, bless His holy Name...”
  • Quote [28:46, Gapp]: “Honestly, you have to have a mindset to be thankful, to really interpret the scripture and understand that He is speaking to us and giving us this.”

9. Testimonies and Redemption: Personal Stories of Faith

[32:34 – 44:45]

• Penn gives a detailed, vulnerable account of his journey from scientific skepticism to a faith forged in suffering, culminating in an intense, supernatural experience during a health crisis.
  • Quote [41:27, Penn]: “When the knife hit my neck in maximum moment of terror … Christ appeared to me.”
  • Quote [43:39, Penn]: “I will restore your body whole for my work and your enjoyment.”
• The role of faith in overcoming fear, suffering, and hardship is emphasized as central to humility and service.

10. Civic Engagement as a Religious & Republican Duty

[47:05 – 54:28]

• Gapp prompts Penn: What are practical ways faithful people can resist “reversals” of core values and take action?
• Penn’s prescription: Engage locally. Find your precinct, attend caucuses, get involved in local school boards and politics, not just national elections.
  • Quote [66:29, Penn]: “My neighborhood is called W3PB. It's about 2,000 families. I'm conquering my neighborhood. That's the only thing I'm thinking about, because I really have dominion there.”
  • Emphasis that “every single citizen can go join their local party”—applies to all Americans (not just Republicans).

11. The Thin Line Between Blame and Powerlessness

[68:20 – 70:17]

• Penn discusses scapegoating (whether of Jews, the rich, “others”) as a symptom of powerlessness, and argues American citizens actually have huge untapped local power via civic engagement.

12. The Call for Virtue: Telling the Truth in Public Life

[70:53 – 74:28]

• The absolute necessity of honesty in politics, and showing up with “an iron will not to lie or be lied to.”
  • Quote [70:52, Penn]: “The predicate for healing this, in my opinion, is 'Thou shalt not lie.' Tell the truth, and don't be lied about what your goals are and hold these people [accountable].”

13. Unity Across Divides; Resistance to Division

[74:44 – 78:04]

• The importance of finding common ground, regardless of race or creed, on basic shared human needs: “long life, prosperous life, health for our children.”
  • Quote [75:04, Penn]: “I can unify with you. I don’t care if you’re black or yellow or whatever... What do we want as people? Well-being.”

14. Principalities and Powers: Spiritual Warfare & Political Reality

[76:09 – 78:42]

• Gapp explains “principalities and powers” as biblical language for spiritual systems opposing freedom and life, serving as a metaphor for systemic evil.

15. Christianity and Republicanism: Parallels and Action

[78:23 – 86:06]

• Penn draws direct connections between classical Republican principles (protection of minority rights, civic duty, the common good) and Christian teaching (“love your neighbor as yourself”), insisting that both demand active engagement and selfless service.
• Calls for Christians (and all people of good will) to “just show up,” especially at local caucuses and meetings, to change the culture from the ground up.

16. Digital ID, Technocracy, and the Battle for Human Dignity

[86:06 – 90:42]

• Renewed urgency: the looming implementation of digital ID and digital currency represents the “monetization of all human life,” a threat to both personal freedom and spiritual dignity.
  • Quote [61:04, Penn]: “Digital currency allows for the monetization of all human behavior ... You could set up a scenario ... of rewards and punishments unprecedented in human history.”

17. Courage and Action in 2025

[90:42 – 97:03]

• Calls for bravery and readiness to “turn over tables” like Jesus.
• Urges listeners to take daily, present-focused action, quoting Christ’s words on courage and service.
  • Quote [93:32, Penn]: “What can I do to serve you today? Don’t project downstream three years … Just today. Take it one step at a time.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You don’t have to know the plan, but you can trust the planner.” – John Gapp [11:14]
• “If you trust Him, then you can trust in the plan, even if you don’t know the details.” – John Gapp [11:16]
• On digital ID: “It can’t function in a truly free society, a truly free people.” – John Gapp [23:14]
• On being a good Christian vs. Christian warrior: “Right now, it’s not a peaceful time … first step is to recognize, yeah, it’s not a game.” – David Penn [52:55]
• On local political engagement: “All you gotta do is show up … you could become a voting member of the party and you could determine the future of this country.” – David Penn [79:40]
• “Everyday citizens with everyday families with everyday concerns” can transform politics if they refuse to lie or tolerate lying. [73:24]
• On commonality: “What do we all want? Long life, prosperous life, health for our children, good lives for our children.” – David Penn [74:14]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:12] – Debate about FDR/Lincoln and Thanksgiving’s civic roots
• [09:07] – Introduction of “reversal”/Antichrist system concept
• [19:54] – Bill Gates on digital identification and online trust
• [21:00] – UK digital ID rollout explained (BBC)
• [22:09] – Reflection on surveillance, privacy, and freedom
• [28:46] – Psalm 103 read aloud—prayer of Thanksgiving
• [41:27–44:45] – Penn’s major faith testimony and supernatural experience
• [66:29] – The granular power of the local neighborhood/precinct
• [70:52] – The centrality of honest truth-telling for political reform
• [79:57] – “All you gotta do is show up”—activism made practical
• [90:42] – Quoting Christ: “Did not come to bring peace but a sword …”
• [93:32] – “What can I do to serve you today?”—closing wisdom for action

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Concluding Reflections

• The guests urge listeners not to withdraw privately into faith or cynically disengage, but to act—locally, truthfully, courageously—in service both to country and to God.
• The rise of digital IDs and digital currency is not just a technical or administrative issue, but one fraught with spiritual and ethical consequence.
• This Thanksgiving, gratitude is not just personal but political: it’s a call to fight for the principles and freedoms at the core of America’s (and Christianity’s) enduring wisdom.

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Action Steps Suggested:

• Find your political precinct and show up for local caucuses.
• Attend school board and local government meetings—just being present brings accountability.
• Repost this kind of content; mainstream platforms will not amplify it.
• Read scripture (e.g., Psalm 91) and let gratitude shape daily action.
• Demand and practice truth-telling in civic life.

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This episode was a compelling tapestry of faith, public life, and practical action—interweaving philosophical, theological, and very tangible calls for engagement in shaping America’s future in a hyper-digital era.

Transcript

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Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Penn, your host. Glad to be with you as always for episode number 259 coming to you on this Thanksgiving evening, the 27th of November, at 7pm Central Standard Time. I hope everyone had a.

Wonderful holiday. And full disclosure, we're recording this several days before the holiday. So I'm hoping we have a good holiday if something has happened, which is possible.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to apologize for the good cheer that we're bringing forth because we don't know. I've got in studio a regular guest here, Minister John Gap. Welcome back.

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Thank you. So glad to be here. Actually, I'm just so thankful that there hasn't been some sort of shooting or assassination before this one. So. Because that's the last, the last times I've been here have always been a, the very close aftermath of something tragic happening in this country. So I'm real happy that we can have this conversation.

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Well, let's, let's, let's hope, let's hope this happens and let's just talk. And I'm going to say to the audience, if you're watching this and something skullduggerous is taking place, I'm only saying this because.

Thanksgiving is a holy day. I mean, it's a civic holiday.

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Yeah.

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But that was because the holy day has been incorporated into our civic life.

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Right.

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Is it not a holiday?

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Oh, 100%. And you know, the reason it is an opportunity to, to do this as a, as a country is because that holy life was incorporated into the, the national mindset of giving thanks to God on, on these wonderful, this opportunity to, to be thankful, to set our minds and acknowledge the one who gives these good things. And, and to be thankful, too, which is God. So you Know it's only a national thing because the leadership of this country at that time when Thanksgiving became a holiday was because they understood the providence, the provision, and.

The source from whom all good things come from.

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Good morning, Tanner. Good morning. Could you look up just to see if my memory is faulty? I'm pretty sure that I, you know, I'm not sure that's why I'm having to look it up. I think it was Franklin. President Franklin Roosevelt. Take a look. I think that the Thanksgiving became a national holiday during the Roosevelt administration. If I. I could be incorrect, that's what I want to find out. And you know, the reason I'm. I'm. I'm checking on it, I thought it.

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Came back to.

How it came back to Lincoln.

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Well, let's find out. What do you got there, Mr. Tanner?

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It looks like President Franklin D. Roosevelt is linked to the nationalization of Thanksgiving, but he did not create the holiday.

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Okay. So the holiday became civic right under the. And the reason I wanted to say that is there are so many conservatives or Republicans that look back and they speak ill of Franklin Roosevelt.

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Sure.

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For lots of reasons. But let's just lay out a couple of predicates about the Thanksgiving is that Roosevelt was elected in a time very similar to the one we're in.

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Right.

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Chaos reigned, culminated in a world war, and he is derided for starting Social Security and for all the projects of the New Deal which did usher in socialism.

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Absolutely.

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He is. Vice president. Wallace was an avowed socialist. Roosevelt was referred to as a class traitor. All those things being true. But he believed in God. And if you listen to his speeches. Yeah, no, I don't know that. I mean, I'm not in his head, but he certainly used God.

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Yeah.

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As, you know, part of his addresses and thank God and, you know, he said that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Which is a thoroughly biblical idea, is it not?

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Oh, yeah, definitely. I mean, that's when God was encouraging his people all through the Bible, especially Joshua was.

Have good courage and don't be afraid. You know, that is.

When you are able to look to him. Instead of the things that you're afraid of, the things that bring you fear and terror.

Then you can really focus on what's actually happening, because fear is. Fear is a lot of times just a liar. And it's usually fear of things that haven't even happened yet. It's things that have not even transpired. It's just all in your imagination. So can you set your imagination on what God's leading you to or set your imagination on the things that bring you terror.

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This is great. Tanner, when you're in the woods. Tanner was out in the woods hunting this weekend.

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Were you?

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Yeah.

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Is muzzle loader.

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No, we just got done with rifle.

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Yeah, it is. It is still rifle. I was still thinking it was Thanksgiving week.

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No. Here we go. So my question is, when you're out in the woods.

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Yeah.

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And it's dark.

And you feel a surge of fear, does that ever happen to you out there?

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Yeah.

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Okay. And so when that happens, generally speaking, that fear is there to keep you alive. Correct.

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Correct.

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I think I've gotten bad because I've been in a deer stand alone since I was like 13. So when I was younger, it was a fear. By the time I was like 17, I started thinking, like, wait, my eyes are facing forward. I'm not a prey. I'm the predator.

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Right.

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So what am I scared of in this woods? They're scared of me. So then it got way easier. Now I can sit in my deer stand pitch.

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But if you're walking through the woods in the dark.

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Oh, yeah.

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And you hear something.

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Oh, yeah. Different story.

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That's what I'm talking about. Like, my. My. My brother Rob from down in Texas sent me a video. He was walking through the woods.

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Yeah.

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And the coyotes were all around him.

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Yeah.

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I mean, all you could hear was coyotes.

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Yeah.

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And they sounded like they were feet. Few feet away from.

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Yep.

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I said, dude, I just. The video was terrifying. Okay. So my point in. In saying this is, is fear has a very important role.

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Yep.

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For us as human beings.

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Yeah.

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But.

We misapply it.

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Well.

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And, you know, there is a.

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It's a sign. It's a sign.

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Right.

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It says you need to be alert. Right. It. It's saying there is something that your. Your body, your mind is taking as a threat.

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And that's a God given emotion.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. But you have to. You have to take it under control. You can't let it rule you.

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Well, this is. This is a great thing I'm working on. And I think people of faith have to work through this.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because we're. We're told to walk by faith and not by sight.

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Yeah.

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And if you go by sight, particularly right now, it'd be very easy. And we're going under the predicate that nothing happened between recording and Thanksgiving.

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Right.

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That's how afraid I am that something's going to happen. Because, you know, one of the things I want to talk about with you is the reversal of Christ. The Antichrist system.

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Yeah.

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That is prevalent. And reversing faith requires the reversal of the holidays, the rituals, you know, the.

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Fundamentals of the religion, the subversion of all of those things.

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So what wouldn't it be just. Boy, I hope this is impression.

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Yeah.

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But wouldn't it just be predictable that there would be some awful event on the day of national rest and Thanksgiving to take that away from the people? Because we need that. We. I mean, that holiday is there.

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Yeah.

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And I'm just going to tell you as a, as a, as a business owner.

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Yeah.

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And you know, I just got waxed for three years in a row. Right. Waxed. Because Covid, the great reset includes many different elements, one of which is wiping out the ownership by individual citizens of businesses that allow them to self govern economically.

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Right.

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Economic freedom. And most of the family owned businesses got crushed by Covid. Some of them were just closed.

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Yeah.

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Right here in Minnesota. They just closed them. Right.

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Yeah.

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Not essential. Hey, your, your livelihood is not essential.

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Okay, into that.

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Well, I'm just saying.

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I know.

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So we come to this time of the year and I just went through two years where I really got crushed.

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Yeah.

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You know, this year I'm pulling up on the stick. I'm getting close to break even.

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Yeah.

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Took a lot of work.

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It feels so that.

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But I was Thanksgiving when I was losing money.

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Yeah.

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Thanksgiving when I was losing money. And now I'm Thanksgiving when I have less money.

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Right.

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Because what I try to say to myself and I, and I really mean this. God has a plan.

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Yeah.

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I, you know, I believe that. No, there's going to be leftists that watch this. They're going to say, up there goes Penn. He's going off the road. But see, I, I don't say I know what the plan is.

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No.

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I just say something's going on.

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You don't have to know the plan, but you can trust the planner.

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That's a great one. Can you say that again?

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You don't have to know the plan. You don't know. Have to know all the details. But if you trust the person who's making the plan, if you trust him, then you can trust in the plan. You can. Even if you don't know the details.

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Then you got to break back if you don't believe.

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Yeah.

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It's chaos. And you know, this goes right into our high school education. See, I was in high school biology at Highland Park Senior High School.

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Highland Park.

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Highland Park. No, it was junior high school in the early, early, early, early set. Could have been 71. And I remember Mr. Weber, my high school biology teacher, he did not tell me the story of Adam and Eve. I learned the origin of the species.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I didn't think about Adam and Eve again until maybe the last five or six years. It was removed, that creation, the fundamental story about how things are right. In our daily life. Right. And then the origin of the species. What is the difference? Okay, here's the difference. But. And both can be true. I'm just going to say for all the people out there that have a problem with. It's either or. No. Because there could be evolution and it could be God's plan, and we don't know because we don't know the plan. But what's the difference between the two? In this plan, the Adam, Eve plan, there's all this wisdom that I can learn about. Forget about it being true or false. Let's just talk about wisdom. Fairy tales.

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Yeah.

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There's all these great stories that describe the human condition.

And in the other plan, there's no wisdom.

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No.

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It's just this kind of mechanistic survival of the fittest and natural selection.

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Yeah.

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And it just doesn't have that much wisdom.

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No.

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To help me inform my own. My own life.

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Right.

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So if you don't believe in God, I'm just gonna say, if you go read those texts like they're philosophical texts.

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Right.

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There's so much wisdom there. And I'm just gonna say, because you've done this thing.

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Yeah.

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You will work by the sweat of your brow to get your daily bread, and the land will put forth thorns and thistles, and from dust you came, and from dust you were returned. Well, let me tell you, I went through my entire life, from the time I was 18 years old to three years ago. I used to say all the time, minister, this is a mea culpa. I've never worked a day in my life.

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Yeah.

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Because I. Everything was easy.

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Yeah.

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And then I hit the wall. And I've been working, you know, figure.

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Out how to work.

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Oh. And you know what? I didn't reject it.

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Yeah.

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I didn't complain.

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Yep.

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I won't take a knee.

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Right.

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I walk by faith and not by sight. You know what came out of it?

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Right.

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Humility.

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Right. Yeah.

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And so, you know, I'm just saying from my. So if you're a leftist in your list, and I'm just giving you a testimony. These are called testimonies. This is not about a testimony about if there's God or not, you have to find that on your own. But as far as human life.

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Yep.

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Walking around saying, I've never worked a day in my life when there's an Adam and curse that says, hey, dude, you're gonna work. Isn't that kind of. Isn't that kind of arrogant of me to say that to the Lord? Do you see what I'm saying?

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Sure. If you're. If. If you believe the Lord's in your audience.

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Obviously, I was not quite thinking through what I was saying.

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Yeah. No, there's. You. There's a lot that you just. That you just said.

I don't know which part to.

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Well, let me complicate for even more before we go there, because I'm going to give you the mic. And for the women.

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Yeah.

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Because you've done this thing. You'll have pain in childbirth. Childbear, you will cleave onto your man and he will rule over you. Whoa.

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You don't.

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That's an intense one for the ladies.

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Especially in the last 50 years. That'll. That's a. Not a message that's received. Well.

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Well, you can. What I'm trying to say is, in terms of this holiday, in my.

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Yeah.

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My fear that something will reverse it. If you look at what men and women have done.

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Yeah.

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And you know, in Hebrew, wisdom is Sophia is. Is a. A female.

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Yeah.

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Noun.

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Yep.

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And the apple represents wisdom. Because if you eat of this, you'll be just like.

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Yeah.

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Snake said. You'll be just like God. So the. The point I'm bringing out is what are we doing as people? We are reversing the fundamental right. Creation myth of our culture.

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Right.

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Even to the point where we don't teach it anymore. It's been replaced by a new story.

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A story.

Without. Without everything. Exactly what you said. The. The wisdom that even if you don't, you don't buy into this Christian or Judeo Christian God and creation story.

The alternative has zero wisdom, zero.

Understanding of. Of who we are. And by the way, I don't know any culture or civilization that doesn't have some sort of creation story.

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A company does.

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Yeah.

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Every culture. You know, a company is a culture.

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Right.

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And it has a creation myth.

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Right.

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It has costumes and rules and great people and histories. And here we've got this. And, you know, this is a big deal because how do people gain? You're saying that there's no wisdom for the people.

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Right.

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In. But it's the truth. Right. It's portrayed as the truth.

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As. I really enjoy science. I really enjoy understanding the way things work. And.

To come to this evolutionary theory, it just. It doesn't work in science. For all of the science that I've learned, Laws of thermodynamics with entropy, understanding the way that things don't get more complicated and more organized in life.

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That's a great point.

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It always devolves. It never evolves. It always devolves. Yeah. There are micro evolutions in a species to.

One adaptation or the other, but the rest of science says it's. It's not really possible to go from.

Very simple DNA to very complex.

[A]

You know, this reminds me of purging. You know, there's a theory, bifurcation theory, you know that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Systems become more complex than they hit nodes.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And they either crash to entropy.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Or they go to a higher level of complexity.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it doesn't happen by itself. For example, water runs downhill.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It doesn't run uphill. Unless there's a pump.

[B]

There's a pump.

[A]

Somebody has to make a pump. So I always like to say it like this. And, you know, I know. And I hope you're a leftist and you're here. I hope the people that don't believe in God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are here, because we are trying to gather together. And let me just say, why are we doing this? Okay.

Tanner, can you go in there? We're gonna play just. Just to. Just share what's motivating me. Let's pick out one of these.

[C]

I got him 1 through 6 from the order that you texted me.

[A]

Well, let's just play this first one with Bill Gates. Let's just play this just for fun.

[B]

Billy G. Billy G. You give him.

[A]

A lot of credit there, Minister Gaff. That's. I never heard him called Billy G. That's badass. He is a gangster, so why not? This is the story of the 1. As a maintenance supervisor at a manufacturing facility, he knows keeping the line up and running is a top priority. That's why he chooses Grainger. Because when a drive belt gets damaged, Grainger makes it easy to find the exact specs for the replacement product he needs. And next day delivery helps ensure he'll have everything in place and running like clockwork. Call 1-800-GRAINGER Click grainger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done.

[D]

Every country struggling to find that boundary. The US Is a tough one because, you know, we have the notion of the first amendment. And so when. What are the exceptions? You know, like yelling fire in a theater. You know.

And because you're anonymous Online, you know, it can be worse, I do think, over time, you know, with things like deep fakes. Most of the time you're online, you're going to want to be in an environment where the people are truly identified, that is, they're connected to a real world identity that you trust, instead of just people, people saying whatever they want. And so the idea of Providence, who sent me this email, was that really them? You know, we're going to have to have systems and behaviors that we're more aware of. Okay, who, who says that? Who, who created this?

[A]

Well, there you go. That's. That, that's, that's step number one. And Tanner, could you just play. I think there's another one right on down the line there. How will digital IDs work coming in from our friends across the pride?

Yes, you're right on top of it. Here it comes.

[E]

Having a digital ID is set to become mandatory in the uk. But what actually is a digital ID and how will we use it? This is what we know from the government so far. The Prime Minister says the scheme will help crack down on illegal working and modernize Britain. Digital IDs will be mandatory in order to work or to rent a home in the uk. You'll have it stored on your phone safely, similar to a contactless card, and it will include your name, your date of birth, your nationality or residence status, and your photo. Other countries already use digital IDs like Greece and Singapore. However, we still don't know if this type of ID will be used to verify your age, to do things like buy alcohol, or to get you into a club. But what about people who don't have smartphones? Well, the government has said that it wants to ensure that the scheme will work for people who aren't able to use a spot smartphone. And it will be launching a consultation on how the scheme will be delivered later this year that's expected to last three months. And even though we don't have an exact date yet for when the scheme will start, it's expected to be introduced into Parliament early next year.

[A]

Well, there you go.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I just love that she's, she's got a BBC tag on her microphone. You know, BBC is state run media already.

And then talking about the details of their proposed digital id, which. It's funny, Britain, I mean, there. A lot of people right now are saying Britain's lost. Britain is. The UK is.

They're, they're heading downhill so fast. You couldn't, you couldn't pull them out of it. If you wanted to. But, you know, I look at some of the state things that they've tried to do to control the population, and.

You know, just the traffic cameras that they've put up around the uk, many places, they. They've stopped replacing them because people go and put expanding foam over the, you know, some great stuff or whatever to. To stop them because they don't want to be run or they don't want to be in a nanny state where they. They don't have the privacy of movement, they don't have the privacy of their own affairs. And the more that you give the government that. That opportunity, you just have less determination.

And, you know, getting back to Bill Gates, you know, you can romanticize any of these control ideas saying, you know, this. This is going to make things better. It just. That's always the romanticized.

Way that it's put out in the first place. But you have to also acknowledge the ways that it can be used against your citizenry, the people of your country. And if you have any idea of freedom or notion of freedom and self determination, self governance, you just say that flies in the face of that, and it just can't. Can't function in a truly free society, a truly free people.

[A]

And then, you know, this is great, because Thanksgiving, we're talking about two ends, two kind of opposing visions. Tanner, you're quite a bit younger than me. How did they teach Thanksgiving to you all when you went to high school? I mean, what was the story around Thanksgiving? When I say Thanksgiving, what does it evoke as a memory from, you know, how it was presented to you?

[C]

You're gonna hate me for this. The only thing I can remember in high school, we never talked about it. I remember early elementary school. Thanksgiving was nothing more than when the Pilgrims got together with the Native Americans and had a feast. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was what, Thanksgiving? I didn't even know. I'm just now learning that Thanksgiving had religious ties. Had no clue. I thought it was to celebrate when the Pilgrims learned how to grow corn and they sat down and ate with the Native Americans.

[A]

You know that in the traditional groups of people. I'm talking about people that are not dependent on going on down to the grocery store to buy their turkey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like when you're out hunting.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, if you were hunting to eat, it wasn't a very good weekend, was it?

[B]

Did you put some food in? Food on the table this weekend?

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I got two deer.

[A]

So nice.

[C]

We got.

[A]

But I'm just saying, if you didn't get that.

[B]

Right.

[C]

It wasn't the end of the world. Yeah.

[A]

But I'm saying that you could, if you wanted to, when you harvest a deer, be thankful that you. In other words, hunting is still part of your culture, but you're not depending on it. Yeah. To survive.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

But those people back in that time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, they weren't kidding around.

[B]

No.

[A]

There was no grocery stores.

[B]

It was. It was full. Full on survival.

[A]

Thanksgiving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what are some great prayers in. In your mind that come to your mind that are in the. The Christian tradition, prayers of thanksgiving, praise and Thanksgiving.

[B]

Absolutely. And this is, you know, my son Liam. He's three years old and.

Some of the. The best songs that he sings, he. He just loves to sing. He. He loves to sing in the, you know, he learns in Sunday school, learns, you know, things that I sing for him from when I was in Sunday school.

But just this is the day that the Lord has made, and I will rejoice and be glad in it. You know, it's a simple understanding of.

That what we have, even just this day, to live in creation, to draw breath in creation is a gift. And I'm going to rejoice and be glad in it and live my life with that understanding. So even. Even as a little one, I love to hear my son sing that and be.

Just be joyful and happy and it's so great.

Let's see here.

Now. I'm trying to.

[A]

You're gonna come up with.

[B]

I'm gonna come up.

[A]

Well, I think we should. Because let's just hope.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That we're having a beautiful day. Everybody's full and relaxed, and they've tuned in for a little entertainment. Let's give them some good old time religion. A prayer of thanksgiving.

[B]

Old time. You sound like my. Sound like my dad. Old time.

[A]

I like that old time. I like that Kenneth Hagen stuff. I do. I go all the way back to the original gangsters of this stuff.

[B]

Yep. Here's Psalms 103 out of the NASB 1995. Psalms 103. A Psalm of David. Bless the Lord, O my soul and all that is within me. Bless his holy name. Bless the Lord, O my soul and forget none of his benefits. Who pardons all your iniquities, who heals all your disease, who redeems your life from the pit, who crowns you with loving kindness and compassion, who satisfies your years with good things so that your youth is renewed like the eagle. The Lord performs righteous deeds and judgments for all who are oppressed. He made known his Ways to Moses and his acts to the sons of Israel. The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in loving kindness.

You can go on and on. I mean, the Psalms are full of. This is just speaking to the character of the Lord and how he.

How he blesses us. But honestly, you have to have a mindset to be thankful, to really interpret the scripture and understand that he is speaking to us and giving us this.

If you're not of a mind to be thankful, you can hear this and go, what a load of garbage.

[A]

Yeah. You know, that's a very interesting.

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, you know, you're a minister because you're trying to bring people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the Lord.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And in a sense, you know, what we're doing in politics, there is a set of principles that people have fallen away from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they don't think it's palatable. Can't win with those principles. But actually, you know, if you win with other principles, what did you really win? So, I mean, from my perspective.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we're trying to bring people back to this principle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the principle is really the bedrock of going all the way back to Thanksgiving. You know, Thanksgiving is a holiday because it's a fundamental part of America.

[B]

Right.

[A]

To have Thanksgiving, for sure. Think about the people who came here, Tanner. Where'd your folks come? Where? Your ancestors, where'd they come from?

[C]

Norwegian and German.

[A]

Norwegian and German. They didn't come here because things were good in Norway and Germany at the time. Nobody picks up all their stuff and boogies the woogie out of town because it's all good. So they got here. Your ancestors. Your ancestors came. Where'd yours come from?

[B]

Sweden, Germany, England, Ireland.

A lot of basically everything in northern Europe, which tells.

[A]

You how bad it was there at the time. Because nobody leaves unless they have to. All my people come from the Ukraine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, people leave because it's. And they came to America because with hope and with the belief that there was something special here, which was the philosophy of Republicanism.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Which allows for self governance, economic freedom, and religious freedom. They got here and they came with nothing. Most of them. My people came with nothing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nothing.

[B]

100.

[A]

When I say nothing, I mean nothing.

[B]

Yep. And then they worked, worked, worked in the land, mostly.

[A]

And they ended up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Getting something. And what would. What was their initial? Not all of them. I mean, a lot of them got arrogant, sure. But some of them said, thank the Lord.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I escaped these awful circumstances and I actually came and when I got here, I found out, wow, it is free here. I am free to worship. I am free to make my own way economically. I mean, this is, you know, we've lost. You know, all we do as a people is criticize everything. The fragmentation is so terrible. And here we also, you know, you. We had a thing.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Again, hope that Thanksgiving was really Thanksgiving.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely.

[A]

And let's be prayerful and thankful. And if you don't believe. Let me just give you a personal testimony. I was raised in a very religious frame, but then, of course.

I'm very good at math and science, so I went off on my path to become Professor Penn.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they had primed me up for that. Because, you know what happened? This is. In the Jewish community, the number one thing you could do as a Jew for thousands of years is be a rabbi. Was Jesus Christ a rabbi?

[B]

The. The disciples called him Rabbi Teacher. Yeah.

[A]

So that's the big deal. Because when you're the teacher, you're the intermediary between God and man. You're interpreting and healing and trying to make the community well. That's your role.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. Science. That role got taken over by doctors. Doctors became the intermediary between life and death in God and man. They no longer called it God Man. It was life and death.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That was your power play right there. So all of a sudden, in the Jewish community and the rabbi thing, people still did it, but it was on the down low.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Be a doctor.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I went off on that path.

And I was good at that.

[B]

What, what was your doctorate in?

[A]

I don't have a doctorate. That's a. That's a nom de guerre. I quit when I figured out that these people are Marxists. And I tell this, and people say, oh, you know, you're. You know, it's. It's a stage name to make fun of a system that's turning out $37 trillion of debt. An endless war. If these experts that had PhDs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Had their shit together, it wouldn't be like this. They must want it this way. And that's why I don't teach in the university. That's why I didn't complete that pathway. Because along the way, when I was way down that pathway, I thought, wait a sec. My grandparents really believed In God. Before I take this pill of wisdom. The apple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe I should just check out and see if any of this is real.

[B]

So, yeah.

[A]

While I was in school, I started to read.

Holy texts again. Thing I was, you know, then it wasn't just the Bible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was reading a lot of different stuff.

[B]

Where you.

[A]

Wherever I could find it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I was trying to understand spirituality like so many people are doing today.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know, what happened to me was 70s.

[B]

That was in the 70s, like the Keith Green era.

[A]

It was wild in the streets.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, but, you know, the way it went for me.

The way it went for me was. And I. And I could say this to everybody. Everybody could find out they're the chosen one if they choose God.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's very simple. So for all my Jewish brothers. Yeah. All my Jewish brothers and sisters, this. This stranglehold on who's the chosen people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

First for the Jew and then for the gentile. Let's not forget that. And anyone who chooses God is suddenly part of the plan. You've become part. That's my belief. Am I onto something saying that? Does that make sense?

[B]

I believe so. I believe so. Because.

You don't truly know where you fit in until you know the plan maker we kind of started with that is when you meet him, when you meet God on a personal level and you start to see what he says about you in the Bible in those holy texts, you start to see that you're part of something bigger, yet you're also part of something very personal because he deals with you on a one on one basis.

[A]

And, you know, if you're listening and you don't know this, I'm just going to tell you. Nobody was more scientifically and mathematically interested than me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was. This was the seventies.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So let me tell you. Seventies, that's where sin became good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So not only was I scientifically steep, but hey, whatever you wanted to do, it was okay. And there was no guardrails for a minute there.

[B]

It was psychedelic.

[A]

Oh, it was very psychedelic. It was supernaturally psychedelic. And you know this. What was that? Dire Straits money was for nothing and the chicks were free.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Was goofy. So, you know my generation, you know, and you see all these boomers in your church, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I recognize some of those ladies.

You know, they don't want to fess up, but they were there. They were there. That's, you know, I'm just saying a sidebar. That's a little bit of a problem. With the boomer cons in the Republican Party is they want to forget.

[B]

They want to forget what happened six seasons.

[A]

Yeah. They want. They were there. And then. I'm not saying there were some.

[B]

Probably in the 80s, too.

[A]

There were some people there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That didn't. You know why they didn't. You ready? They couldn't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everybody that could did. I watched with my own eyes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At least at my high school of 1104 kids in my graduating class in Highland Park.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you could. You did. And so my point in saying that is.

[B]

I have a question for you.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

When did you have kids?

[A]

My first kid. I was. It was 1989.

[B]

1989. Okay. So you. You'd. You'd gone through a lot of life before you got to having kids?

[A]

I went through conversion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On my. On a sick bed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, this is. This is. You know, and I. I like that. First of all, you could be chosen against your will because it's not my plan. So in my case. In my particular case, and I don't know if I told you this story. Maybe I've never told you this story. Okay. Because there's all these people that get down on me. Like, I'm doing these Hebrews with Royce, and I get this stuff in the feed. Like, a guy will say, did you listen to Professor Pan? Every time Israel comes up, he diverts the conversation. Or then one guy posts up, he goes, penn was sent by the Elders of Zion to control Royce White. And I'm thinking to myself, dudes, you do not know who I am.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm just going to tell you. You're a minister, so I'll tell you what happened to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was raised in a very Orthodox Jewish frame. My parent. My grandparents were very Orthodox. Orthodox, yeah. Black Hatters.

[B]

I was going to say Black Hatters.

[A]

Black Hatters. Okay. My father went to a yeshiva, which is a rabbinical school.

My father and mother both lived through World War II, so they lost the faith because of the Holocaust.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So for the Holocaust deniers, I always like to tell them I grew up with people with tattoos, so you all can fuck off. There's not a lie at that level. Okay. And then went into the scientific. And then, as I was saying, I tried to rediscover in my 20s, my mid-20s, like, right in the middle of. On the path to becoming a doctor. So I went back to Lubavitch, and I was walking the synagogue and I was praying, and I got sick at about 220 pounds with a 33 inch weight. I got sick. I mean, really sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I tried to deal with it. I knew I was sick.

[B]

Yeah. And £220 wouldn't look too good on that frame.

[A]

Oh, I was big, man. I was lifting like a. Oh, you were big.

[B]

You were, you were ripped.

[A]

Oh, I was ripped. I mean, I was.

[B]

No, no, I was, I thought you were saying.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. I was a kid.

[B]

That's why the 33.

[A]

I was a killer. Okay. My whole thing. Because of course, you know, I, this was a reaction of fear.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

About my people going off to these chambers and not fighting back. You wanted to be this deep seated cycle. I didn't understand that. I didn't want to be like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, I mean, I was training and I was just, you know, there was nothing I wouldn't do. I mean, for a thrill I would do almost anything. Anyway, my point was, yeah, I got sick. I was about 26, 27 years old. And I tried to deal with it, this back to the 70s, you know, vegetarianism, natural food, healing, meditation. Sick, sicker and sicker.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So finally I broke down and I went to a doctor, examined me and he said, okay, gird your loins, you're going for a biopsy. And I, you know, I had a little, I thought of this because I had a three month old baby at the time. I was just new family man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hadn't lived my life. Talk about terrified.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I went. And it was a, a biopsy done with a local anesthetic, not full anesthetic.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And when the knife hit my neck in maximum moment of terror, maximum tear, panic attack, frozen in terror, can't function. Christ appeared to me.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

And I was actually disturbed by this because as a Jewish person raised in an orthodox Jewish tradition, speaking Hebrew, reading Hebrew, never read, and you know, we're taught, hey, you know, I didn't come from the, you know, Jesus is boiling an excrement crowd.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't know that crowd. Yeah, the crowd. I was, you know, he was not talked about.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He was that guy that got it wrong.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Nobody talked about it. So I had no iconology, no crucifix, no pictures of Christ, no study of the New Testament. And Christ showed up to me. And you know what I thought? Laying there on the table.

That'S Jesus Christ. And you know, if you, if Christ comes into your life.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not ambiguous. Now there are going to be people that say I was under tremendous psychological stress and I made this up in my mind, well, why didn't I make up, Moses?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Why didn't I make up? Why was it Jesus? And it disturbed me. And I never spoke of it until my father passed away in 2019. Because when you talk like this and you're Jewish, it's heretical. You're going to get excommunicated.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So Christ came into my life at that moment, I would say, against my will or without any willing for it to happen.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And then I come off the table and I walk out of the hospital with the big band aid on my neck. And out of nowhere, this black woman walks up to me. This big, beautiful black woman. Big, beautiful black woman. And she looks at me and she says, covadis. That's the first thing she said to me. I go, what does that mean? She goes, who are you? And I said, I'm David Pan. She said, great. And here's what she said to me. I've been sent by the most high God to exchange my life for yours until you're completely healed. And I went back to the hotel because I was out of town having this surgery, and I was walking down the hotel hallway towards the exit, and a big booming voice said, I will restore your body whole for my work and your enjoyment.

That happened to me. That's crazy, right? But that actually happened me. And since that moment, I've had a relationship with the Holy Ghost. And people go. And Jewish people are going to go, oh, fuck you, David Penn. You're a heretic. I'm going to say, hey, kids, you know, I wasn't looking for it. That, for me, is the great validator for me, because it was not something I was seeking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when I say God can just. And then let me tell you, because we're friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will restore your body whole for my work and your enjoyment. I took all my enjoyment up front.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I front loaded the enjoyment part.

And then the 2020 election happened.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I said, whoa, hold up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I devoted myself. And that's why we have this podcast. And that's why I'm involved in politics, because I owe a debt in a contract that I agree. Because I could have been dead. Hey. The people I was hanging around with, those doctors, I wasn't on the death watch, but I could have died. I mean, it wasn't a kid in the round thing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I got down to 120 pound.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So it was not a. It was not an easy trip back. That's when I met Kenneth Hagin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because Kenneth Hagin was preaching faith and healing. Have you ever heard any of his stuff?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

And.

It'S either just reading the Bible.

And showing exactly what it means or then correlating it with a time that he's experienced the, you know, God working in his life that way. You know, it's all.

[A]

He was on the bed of sickness as a kid.

[B]

He absolutely was. He. They. They didn't expect him to ever get out of that bed.

[A]

And he lived to be old, and he had a phenomenal ministry into his 80s. But he was not in it for the money.

[B]

No.

[A]

This guy was in it. And this is what I say to people, you know, if you're well and you're listening and you don't believe in God, you know, we tend as humans to want to avoid trauma. Impossible. Doesn't go down that way. Nobody's getting out unscathed.

[B]

No. Yep.

[A]

And I look back on that and I go, okay, how did I get through that? Took me five, six years to recover from that. 29. I wasn't functional again until I was 35.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I just went through three years in my business career. And I kept thinking, I haven't felt like this since I was sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it was a different.

[B]

It was a different kind of.

[A]

Different kind of being sick.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I continue to walk by faith. So how do you walk by faith and not by sight? How do you discover that God's blessings are real? We got to let go and let God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We don't do well as. As a people.

[B]

I guess. I, you know, I would.

I would say a lot of Christians.

Apply that to maybe their personal life, and they believe exactly what you're saying. They've heard testimonies like yours. But how do we, as a people. And I guess this is a question I had before we even got in here, was 20, 19. 2020, you.

You realized that there was something you needed to do. How do you get involved in where this country is going? Because, yeah, you can. You can make choices in your own family. How do we. How do we affect life in America? How do we get involved? What.

[A]

What.

[B]

What's the first step? Because a lot of. A lot of people, especially Christians, we watch the national elections. What else is, how do we get involved? How can we be Christians involved in our civic life?

[A]

Wow. If I was going to set this up, I couldn't have done a better job myself. You know, that's great, John, because one of the reasons we're doing this Now, a big part of why I'm doing this with you is because I really like talking to you.

[B]

Yeah, I like talking to you too.

[A]

And it's really great to just be able to sit down for two hours and talk about matters of faith. And when I give that testimony, and I give it more and more often, and I see these people on YouTube that are Jewish people who have met Christ, they got like 8 million followers. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, Lord, if you want to use me in any way for whatever your plan is.

And we talk about this all the time on free people radio because of course, we'd like to be economically self sustaining here and make money doing this. Affect a lot of people.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

But what we're doing here now is we're talking about what matters. You're setting me up. What matters to me. And it matters to you.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

So we have allegedly. And there's no way to prove this. This is what the Republican party tells its officers. There's over a million Christians that don't vote in Minnesota. And we talked about this the last time you were on. And I said, how could that be? How could that be? And I have a hard time getting my mind wrapped around that. But when you say, what do we do for the first step? Okay, so this is Thanksgiving. So let's say something awful has happened. Let's postulate that for a second.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

That's not an accident. No, it's not an accident that the most important.

Holiday. Oh, God forbid. But let's say. So it was reversed and we don't get to have Thanksgiving and peace and rest. Right. Tanner, there is a another video just downstream. Picture of a minister's face. Could you play that one? It's on right to life issues. It's at the bottom of that.

[F]

You see, that portion is demonic, by the way.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Satan would kill God if he could, but he can't. So he kills babies because he knows it was wounds the heart of the father. Absolutely causes chaos on the earth. You see, abortion is actually the sacrament of Satan because abortion says, you must die so I can live. But Christ says, no, I must die so you can live. And chooses to enter human history in a uterus of all locations to redeem mankind from their sins. That's why it uses the same holy, holy words, this is my body.

But with the opposite it blasphemous meaning. Do you think it's a coincidence that the central phrase of the entire abortion industrial complex and the culture of death today are the same words of Our Savior at the first communion. This is my body. And because Planned Parenthood is not only the largest abortion provider in the world, they're the largest provider of transgender drugs. They call both of those mutilations health care. Did you know this? What do they call transgender surgeries? Gender affirming. What do they call abortion? Reproductive.

[A]

Right.

[F]

They call them both healthcare. And so if they can't get the babies in the womb, they'll get them outside the womb. They defend both practices using bodily autonomy arguments. This is my body. It is not a coincidence that the argument for abortion is quoting the words of our Savior.

[A]

You know, so when we talk about the predicate for Christian people to be involved.

I'm going to make a personal statement because I can't speak for any other man or woman. Myself, personally, my own redemption, my. Because I have this contract. I will restore your body whole. I was dying. I will restore your body whole for my work and your enjoyment. What is the work? The work is. There is a systematic reversal of everything that goes back to Abraham. And if you're Christian and you don't wish to see Christ on this planet, I mean, if you're not going to oppose the forces that would remove Christianity from this planet, then when you die and you go for judgment.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With the archangel is going to take you right there. Okay, well, how are you going to explain that? You know, I was always a citizen of heaven. I was always a good person. You know, there's I and I, and I don't know if this is true, but I've just been thinking about this. There's the good man, the good Christian person. That's a very important role. And then there's the Christian warrior. Okay, There's. I mean, there's two roles. I don't know about the other roles, but I mean, I clearly see that being a good person, a good Christian who follows the faith or a good American that follows the practice of republicanism, very close. They are. And then there's the warrior. Well, you know, in peaceful times, we don't need as much warrior. Right now, it's not a peaceful time. So when we see this, when I say, well, what do Christians need to do? I think the first step is to recognize. Yeah, it's not a game.

[B]

No, it's not a game. And I think.

I think Christians.

In Ephesians. No. Is it Ephesians? Ephesians 6. Yeah. Ephesians 6 talks about. Talks about the armor, but we aren't wrestling against flesh and blood. And in the politics, the political sphere, you know, we engage with other people with very often very opposing beliefs, just like this right to life argument and the understanding of life starting in the womb and really the call to protect life, you know, if you're a believer like me.

But how do you. How do you fight that without getting into the battle? And it can be a little. It's. It's a. It's a. It's a bloody battle, but you have to stand up. And again, this. This battle isn't against flesh and blood, but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness, this present age, on and on. If you want to stand up and protect.

Life, faith. And protect faith.

Stepping into this arena is not optional.

[A]

That's a short. Because you know what we have, and I've played on the podcast, ministers, famous ministers, saying.

I'm not of this country, I'm a citizen of heaven. And there seems to be a withdrawal from public discourse by certain segments of the Christian community. And I can see why that could happen. Sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The people that are involved in politics, let's just be frank, they're not good. A lot of them. So if you're a good person, interacting with vile people is not fun.

[B]

No.

[A]

And what. Why it's vile is because we're not in politics.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We create the void. I mean, really, you say what. What the deal is. The deal is if there was a million Christians that don't vote in Minnesota.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they voted for faith.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This state would be Republican overnight. It'd be one cycle.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So we're. One of the reasons I have you on here is because we want to. We want to give those people. And when you just said it, you know, and I'm saying it, you know, this is not. This is not 1977.

[B]

Right.

[A]

This is 2025. Heading to 2026. The digital idea is right there. We didn't even comment on it. We just went by it. I just put it out as a predicate for what is going on here.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So. And then what? We play this clip, which I didn't play it necessarily to talk about the right to life issue. I played it to say it's a reversal.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Of the faith.

[B]

Yeah.

It's startling to contrast that and to understand the words of communion, when Jesus is talking to his disciples at the last Supper, this is my body and he's giving it to you. That. You know, when. Whenever I lead communion, that's. That's the remembrance of that. His body was broken so that mine could be whole. His blood was shed so that I Could be part of God's family. That, that's the, that's the ratifying of the covenant between God and man is the blood of Jesus. And so.

To hear the words and, and I don't know if I had ever heard that contrast before with the. This is my body, like consciously heard that contrast.

[A]

Reversal.

[B]

It's a direct reversal. And it's, that is. It's not surprising that the enemy would, would use it that way because anytime, anytime Satan's doing anything, he. It's a perversion, it's a twisting of anything God has done because he's not a creator. He can only copy and perverse. He can copy and twist.

[A]

Well, here's another one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You will eat meat until you're satisfied.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You can have meat. I mean, the people ask.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, now we can't. No, now, now we can't. I mean, it's just as, as a matter of fact, that's just a tiny. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, that's kind of a tinier reversal. But now there's euthanasia.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, people can actually end their own lives.

[B]

You look at Canada, they're, They're saying from 2027 to 2047, Canada will save.

$1.2 plus trillion in their. Made their mid M A I D, I believe is. Is the acronym to help people end their lives. To not put the burden on the Canadian populace to support their lives. And, and to help them, they would rather kill them or let, you know, they're not going to say they kill them, but let them die and help them die and take a, take the burden off their economy. Who's going to run the economy if everybody's, you know, dying? They're, they're saying they're going to save $1.2 million or trillion dollars to help Canadians die, you know, instead of help them and give them, give them hope. Help them find a reason to live. You know, that is again, you know, a reason to live. He. He died so that we could live. You know, that's, it's another one of those reversals.

[A]

And those reversals, I mean, if you said, well, your, your question was how. Why would, how do we get these people involved?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Well, okay, so if you're listening, one of the things you need to do, and I'm going to ask you to do this is repost the link.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the podcast. Because when people talk like this, Dialgo is not going to help us spread this out.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because what we're talking about is faith.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the benefits of faith, which is well, being human well being is based, in my opinion, on faith.

[B]

Yeah. And also faith without works, without corresponding actions is dead. You can have all the faith in your you want, but if you are not going to take action both internally and externally, if you're not going to take action, what is it? What is your faith doing you any good? What is it doing anybody any good? I'm not going into a theological works debate, but I'm saying if your faith doesn't cause you to take action in a place that you see needs action, then you are missing it. You are not letting your faith do what it's made to do and it's really selfish.

[A]

So if you're Christian and you want to get involved, the first step, I am saying what I'm trying to say with John is understand what's going around here. Now what are we dealing with? We got a digital ID. There's like 60 or 70 countries that are doing it right now. There's Great Britain, which is a very close ally. In fact, Putin calls the United States in Britain.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Anglo Saxon Empire.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So pretty darn close there. And I've seen President Trump stand up in front of the United nations and tout the digital id.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So, you know, I'm not here to. No, I mean, I'm not. I don't want to go down that.

[B]

We're on our precipice for sure.

[A]

Well, we are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, yeah. What is the result of a digital ID and digital currency? And here's the result. And we've played this on the podcast. Digital currency allows for the monetization of all human behavior. Right now we can only monetize work, but if you had a digital ID with surveillance, with digital, you know, with digital currency, you could set up a scenario where you could enhance the likelihood of preferred behavioral outcomes with a system of rewards and punishments that are unprecedented in human history.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And where would we head with that? Well, this is a scientific hegemony which sees faith and republicanism as an obstacle to a control of the population and, you know, the ultimate control. I think, I think with that whole deal. See now, not that many people are going to say this, but I think the whole thing is anti Christian.

[B]

Oh yeah. Well, again, self determination. And if your allegiance is to God and not to government or at least to some other framework, you're going to be pliable, morally pliable. And.

Freedom, freedom will slowly be.

Eliminated from the lexicon. You know, I think that's that's been one of those battles over the last 30, 40 years of, of different languages being erased from our lexicon. Just this, the whole pronoun debate.

The way that you identify things. You know, I think back to when I was a kid in the 90s, Rush Limbaugh would, would make fun of all of the different political correctness ideas because it was an attack on the ability to.

What.

The political correctness was to frame all conversations in the preferred way. You couldn't frame it in the way that you wanted to frame it if it wasn't politically correct. Right. So.

Again, if you are someone with your own brain and your own ideas and you're also.

Seeking a higher power that is going to give you direction and understanding that is other than the government or other than the technological conglomerates, you're going to find you're not a willing pawn, you are an obstacle because you can choose to not go with the flow because you believe it's not the correct way.

[A]

We got these two political philosophies, Christians, two political philosophies that came out of this European experience of these monarchical hereditary rulers. We got Republicanism, we got Marxism. And you know, Marxism is really popular with the young people. Super popular. And about the same number of young people that believe in socialism. Marxism also don't believe in God. It's about the same. What a surprise.

[B]

Similar.

[A]

But the point of it is so obvious to me. If I'm a believer, then I have a moral code that I'm living up to. Right. I don't need any people to tell me what it is.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So all of a sudden, government shrinks really small if everybody knows what to do.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So if you want to make government the greatest grift in the kingdom, you just have to eliminate the believers because they don't need your government. So that's where we're at. And it's really just about power and control and who's at the front end of the funnel. But for the people, go ahead.

[B]

So how can I get involved? How can I get involved where I'm at and be more engaged in things that are not simply national elections, meaning president, governor.

Senators. How do I get involved? How did you start getting involved when your eyes were opened?

[A]

Well, it was very, very interesting that you say that because I'd spent a lot of time internationally and at national levels dealing with political issues, but I didn't want to work in my own neighborhood because somehow the arrogance in me, I thought it was beneath me. But actually, actually, why don't talk about President Trump, who I could spend the next two hours talking about.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I don't even listen to him very often. Why? I have no influence over him. None.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But in my precinct, here we are in Minnesota, and people are watching this all over the country. Every country, every state's organized just along these lines.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are little geographical areas that have some kind of name. Here in Minnesota, we call them. In Minnesota, they're called Senate districts. And within each Senate district is one state senator and two state legislators. And within each Senate district, there's a bunch of things called precincts.

[B]

Precincts.

[A]

What is a precinct? It's my neighborhood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My neighborhood is called W3PB. It's about 2,000 families. I'm conquering my neighborhood.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the only thing I'm thinking about, because I really have dominion there.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And what does that mean? It means I want to find all the people in my neighborhood that I can make a community with and support each other. See, this is another thing with politics. Politics has turned into this giant. What's in it for me?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. That's part of it. Yeah. But there's something called a community, a community of friends. So, like, I. Somebody was moving. I said, I'll help you move. He looked at me like, are you crazy? No, I'm serious. What time are you going to do it? 7:00am yeah, I'll be there. And I showed up and I helped him move.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He was not even a really. A close friend of mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a neighborly thing to do.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

And if we have neighbors that gather for barbecues and get together, then we talk. Well, what. What is there besides the most polarizing issues?

[B]

Right.

[A]

What can we determine as neighbors that most of us could agree upon?

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I'm wanting. I'm interested. You want to get involved. The first thing to do, you go to the Secretary of. I'm being very political now. You go to this Minnesota Secretary of State or the Kansas Secretary of State. Wherever you are.

[B]

Secretary of State.

[A]

Go. Your Secretary of State. They'll have something called a precinct finder.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Put in your address.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And find out where you are on the battlefield with principalities and powers.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Because you got to know where you are.

[B]

You gotta.

[A]

So now you know where you are. And once you know where you are, you can make some decisions. Do I want. And this is what I'd like every citizen to do. Everyone. And people go, oh, my God, that's crazy. Everybody can get involved in politics. And I don't mean complaining. Here's. Here's complaining.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The Jews are the source of all the evil on earth.

Rich people. It's the rich. It's the rich. No, no. The only reason people speak this way, other than there are some historical and.

Political facts to it. I mean, anytime you're going to take something and use it, there's going to be some truth in it. But what is the hidden truth? People feel powerless.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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That's why I'm going to go blame the Jews. Now, I'm not saying that Jewish, the people that are going to, you know, ride on me. I'm not saying that Jewish people and that they're not Jewish anymore because if they were Jewish, they wouldn't do this. But I'm not saying. Yeah, oh, no, I'm really getting into. Aren't I? But if you're trying to control the world, if you're trying to control God's world politically, you've left God's.

[B]

World.

[A]

Yeah. You're. You've already gone off into man's.

[C]

World.

[A]

Yeah. Because God does not ask us to control the world. God asks us to love him and worship him and walk in his.

[B]

Way.

[A]

Right. Okay. So we've left the religious.

[B]

Frame.

[A]

Yep. So I call these people gynos, Jews in name only. But, you know, there's reasons why people can be very anti Semitic. And I see it and I'm not afraid of talking about it. Very similarly, people say, oh, the rich. Yeah, the rich. We got it. It's the rich. But you know, the reason we do this is because we've abdicated our personal power. We've given up, and we're so. We feel so powerless that we have to externalize that powerlessness on to another group that's all powerful. It's a sick.

[B]

Dynamic.

[A]

Yeah. Actually, we live in a constitutional republic and every single citizen can go join their local.

[B]

Party.

[A]

Right. Democrat or Republican. Right. So you left us out there that are not playing in the Democrat party because it sucks. And it does suck. So does Republican Party. They suck almost.

[B]

Equally.

[A]

Yeah. You know, they suck because we don't.

[B]

Play.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if everyday citizens with everyday families with everyday concerns don't get into political. And what they need to bring with Them is a iron will not to lie or be lied.

[B]

To.

[A]

Absolutely. Because the predicate for healing this, in my.

[B]

Opinion.

[A]

Yeah. Is thou shalt not lie. Tell the truth, don't be truth. Don't be lying about what your goals are and hold these people and when. And there's so many ways to do it. Like everybody's got a school board, you know, you say, well, I don't really want to be involved in the political party. Okay, could you just take in your precinct, find four.

[B]

People.

[A]

Yep. And then go to every school board meeting and just sit there. You don't even have to say something. If these people just have witnesses, it'll change what they say and how they act. Because right now they are acting with.

[B]

Impunity. Oh.

[A]

Yeah. Because they're acting without.

[B]

Oversight.

[A]

Y. There's county commissioners. Does anybody go to a county commissioner.

[B]

Meeting? I don't even know where it.

[A]

Would. Where that's correct. So how about our.

[B]

Judges?

[A]

Yeah. Does anybody know who these lawyers.

[B]

Are? Not ever. I. I try to figure it out before. Before I vote, and I have no idea to even most of the.

[A]

Time they're running on opposed. There's not. I mean, what are their decisions? What do they believe? So when I'm saying, why is our country given over to.

[B]

Evil?

[A]

Right. And I'm going to tell you why the void that's created when good people don't participate. Now I will say the social compact was broken someplace. Could have been broken 2,000 years ago. I'm not here to say the exact moment. I could say 1913 with the formation of the.

[B]

Fed.

[A]

Right. We could say when Nixon took us off the gold.

[B]

Standard.

[A]

Right. You can pick any. Pick a lot of the historical marker you want to. But the point is the social compact is.

[B]

Broken.

[A]

Sure. And we cannot trust. And hey, you know, can I tell you, I have all these political people listen to me. They really do. I mean, I see it on my ax. I know who's following me. I know who's listening to.

[B]

Me.

[A]

Yep. It's not big audience, but people are listening. So I have something to say to these.

[B]

People.

[A]

Yeah. I've had enough of white starch shirt wearing, blue suit wearing red, white and blue tie wearing American flag, a lapel pin wearing. They were in the military. They graduated from Harvard, went to Yale, got law degrees, never been divorced, three beautiful children. And they're elected and they've given me $38 trillion of debt in a war my entire life. So, you know, I have something to say. Hey, you guys had your chance yeah, absolutely. We need the regular people. I have a friend of mine calls them the mud people. The regular everyday people that come home tired and.

[B]

Dirty.

[A]

Yep. Not educated. You don't have to be educated to tell the.

[B]

Truth. Have to have common.

[A]

Sense. You just have to tell the truth. That's.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. And you go into your political.

[B]

Party.

[A]

Yeah. Because here's what's coming up here in February. Caucuses here in.

[B]

Minnesota.

[A]

Yep. So all you million Christians, if you want to change the world.

[B]

Overnight.

[A]

Yeah. Show up. Caucus is a neighborhood meeting at your local school or community center where you can actually join either Democrat or Republican party and bring one thing to it. Truth. Don't let people lie. And don't lie yourself and get into it. And we can start working for common goals. What do we all want? Long life, prosperous life. Health for our children, Good lives for our children. What else do we.

[B]

Want? Some.

[A]

Independence. I mean, really, if you're with that oddball that says I want to be a billionaire, okay. You can do that because you're an American citizen. But most American citizens that I know just want to be.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Right. Right. And we've got all these. Here's another thing. Abortion. That classic wedge issue. Been going on since, you know, I was a teenager in.

[B]

73.

[A]

Yeah. Nothing's changed. We're still fighting over this. What? It's a giant.

[B]

Industry.

[A]

Yep. Nobody wants to solve the problem. Now we got gun rights. There's a problem. Now we got Israel. Another.

[B]

Problem.

[A]

Sure. All these problems are created to divide us. Right. So we cannot.

Get it.

[B]

Together. Unify.

[A]

To. And I can. I can unify with you. I don't care if you're black.

[B]

Or.

[A]

Yeah. Yellow or whatever. Screen color. Creed. No. What do we want as.

[B]

People?

[A]

Yeah. Well.

[B]

Being.

[A]

Yep. Long.

[B]

Life.

[A]

Yeah. Some economic self sufficiency and a good life for our children. Am I.

[B]

Missing.

[A]

No. Tanner. Am I missing anything else? Do you want something.

[B]

Else?

[C]

No. You can't pretty much hit it on the.

[A]

End. I mean that. So why are we fighting with each other? Hey, you're a leftist. You hate me. You know, you're a anti. Semite. You hate me. I'll. You. We want the same thing. You think I want world domination? You don't know who I.

[B]

Am. Right.

[A]

Right. I want the right to live quietly and humbly and serve my.

[B]

Lord.

[A]

Yeah. And if you don't believe in God, how about serve your society? How about as John Kennedy said, don't ask what your country can do for.

[B]

You.

[A]

Yeah. Ask what you can do for your.

[B]

Country.

[A]

Right. So why can't we get it together? Well, I think you said it. Principalities and.

[B]

Powers. Yeah.

[A]

Absolutely. Comment on principal. Principalities and powers. What does that. What does that mean for the non real, even for the religious? Because I don't think the religious know what that.

[B]

Means. Right. Well, I mean, if you want to get into the spiritual battle, it's. It is that there's a. There's God's side and there's a side that is opposing it. And one of them wants you to have life and liberty and. And to live a peaceable life with your family and your deal. And the other one wants to control you and use you as a weapon to control others around you.

So principalities, powers and rulers of darkness. I mean, that's big language. It's lofty language and it feels kind of old Jamesy and foreboding. But reality is, it comes down to you are going to serve something in your.

[A]

Life. Oh, you sound like Bob Dylan, my cousin. You gotta serve.

[B]

Somebody. You're gonna serve.

[A]

Somebody.

It could be the devil and it could be the Lord, but you gotta serve.

[B]

Somebody. Gotta serve somebody. It comes down to that. And I think you'll find in the Christian ethic that.

There is, I mean, golden rule on the amount of beatitudes.

Do unto others as you would have yourself treated.

It's a simple, quiet life when you adopt that mindset of, of serving the Lord. And.

If you want peace, if you want to have a dream and pursue that dream and not necessarily get in the way of somebody else, but not let other people get in the way of your dream.

I think that is. I don't really know where I'm going with that. Where did we. Tanner, help me out on that.

[A]

Edit. I'm going to. I'm going to pick this one up for you and say whatsoever we wish for when we.

[B]

Pray.

[A]

Yeah. Believe you've received it and you shall have it. So that's.

[B]

Thanksgiving. That's.

[A]

Thanksgiving. So we're in the Thanksgiving mode on Thanksgiving. And what we're talking about is creating a world that is good for all of us, all of our fellow citizens. And this is the philosophy of Republicanism, which is really linked closely to Christianity. It talked about, love your neighbor as you wish to be.

[B]

Loved.

[A]

Yep. Okay. In Republicanism, I'm a citizen.

[B]

Sovereign.

[A]

Right. Somebody said that's not a good pitch. You know what? I like.

[B]

It. I like.

[A]

It. Okay. Number two, we believe as Republicans in protecting minority rights, which is, in effect, the second great.

[B]

Commandment.

[A]

Yeah. Love your neighbor to Be.

[B]

Loved.

[A]

Absolutely. We are hardcore about protecting our fellow.

[B]

Citizens.

[A]

Absolutely. Right. So the philosophy of Republicanism also believes that we have to be involved in civic life. If we're not involved in civic.

[B]

Life.

[A]

Yep. We're not.

[B]

Republicans.

[A]

Right. And we do believe in the common.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Absolutely. That is Republicanism. So it's so close.

[B]

To.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Christianity.

[A]

Absolutely. That if you're a Christian and you move into it and see. But now you're going to say, oh, but that's not the way the Republican Party. You're right. You know.

[B]

What?

[A]

Involved. You're not.

[B]

There.

[A]

Yeah. All you got to do is show up and you know, you could become a voting member of the party and you could determine the.

[B]

Future.

[A]

Right. Of this country. And I, and I say to your question, because that's the thing, I didn't know we were heading there today. Your theme is, well, how do people get involved? All they got to do is show.

[B]

Up.

[A]

Yeah. Show.

[B]

Up. I mean, I like your, your first or the things that you said. Find your precinct. Find out what the events are for your precinct. And another really simple way to get involved is go to your, your school board meetings. That's, that's actually how I got into caring more and more about the, the local stuff is the Osseo school board was implementing some policies that were.

You know, kind of those bathroom policies where there was no longer a safe space in bathrooms and locker rooms for young ladies to.

[A]

Be. Because you have a.

[B]

Daughter. I have a daughter and I have nieces and I've.

[A]

Got. And so that was a personal issue for.

[B]

You. Very personal. Right.

[A]

Yeah. So you understood the power of you just showing.

[B]

Up. Absolutely. So, yeah, that's. My brother in law actually ran for school board this past term, 2024. He didn't win, but another good candidate did. So it's still a.

[A]

Gridlock. Oh, and here's another thing. It's not about winning. I want to say this to the Republican Party members that are lifting, you know, everything they say, oh, it's all about winning. We have to do this and that and thus. And so to win, like, we got to cater to this group and that group. You know, it's not about winning. It's about telling the truth. See, this is something that has been missing here for a very long.

[B]

Time. You have to be pretty brave nowadays to tell the.

[A]

Truth.

You know, it's funny you say that because we were leading up to the election with Camilla Harris, Donald Trump, and I was thinking, and I said this to Tanner, I said, damn, if she wins. My ass could be grass. But all we're in here now is a temporary respite. It's just a pause in the.

[B]

Action. It's a lull because it's, it's still out there. Yep, it's.

[A]

Coming. You just heard Bill Gates talking about using the digital ID to control information on the Internet. Well, actually, with the digital id, can't bank without it, can't travel without.

[B]

It.

[A]

Right. Can't buy or sell without it. This is all part of their.

[B]

Deal.

[A]

Yeah. Can't get health care without it, can't access government services without.

[B]

It.

[A]

Right. And it's.

[B]

Common. It's.

[A]

Common. So it's talking about exclusion from civic life without a digital id. And you put that together with digital currency and baby, it's, you know, and all we have to do, brothers and sisters. Now, if you're a leftist and you really want to have global governance and total control of the people because you're saying, what's the difference? On this path I'm a citizen sovereign. And if I believe I'm a child of God, on this other path, I'm a digitized unit to be monetized from birth to death. What sounds better to you over there on the.

[B]

Left?

[A]

Absolutely. Being free and being self determining or being an inventory to be monetized. Come on, look at what happens. The people like here in Minnesota, this is a fact that can be verified. 25% of the young adults, not adults, I'm talking about teenagers that are on government programs for health care are morbidly obese. 25%. You know, if the government loved these kids so much, why are they morbidly.

[B]

Obese?

[A]

Yeah. Kind of health care. Is that right? And then the predicate for every chronic condition almost that you can think of is being morbidly obese. Do you go to the state fair? Do you see what I see at the state fair? Come on. We have a very unhealthy culture. And why, look at our food choices. Look what you see in the. So let's get addicted to all these foods, Right? Let's sit home and play digital instead of being outside all day, Right? And then we wake up and we're in our 20s, 30s, 40s, and suddenly you got an autoimmune disease or this. And then, oh, go to the doctor, Right? And now you have to have chronic disease management. So I'm not trying to rip on the system, I'm just saying because I have digital masters listening here. I'm saying if people get out of shape and they don't understand how to.

[B]

Be. Well.

[A]

Yeah. There's a system to take care of them when they're not well. Well, that's called being.

[B]

Monetized. Yeah.

[A]

100%. And I don't want to be monetized. I just don't. I don't want to do.

[B]

That.

[A]

Right. So if you want to be free, what can you do to make the system.

[B]

Loving?

[A]

Right. I mean, we go, oh, no, that's not impossible. No. You know when people say things are.

[B]

Impossible.

[A]

Yeah. That's just a. Blame it on the.

[B]

Jews. Yeah.

It's the easy way.

[A]

Out. Well, yeah. You know, let's say you're an anti Semite. How about getting involved in politics and doing something about.

[B]

It?

[A]

Yeah. Or you're on the left and you. You hate all these rich people that are exploiting everybody. How about, you know, they're doing it in.

[B]

Minneapolis.

[A]

I. Have you seen that down in many these young people, they came within an eyelash of getting the Democrat socialists, and it got elected in New.

[B]

York.

[A]

Yeah. So that's another thing. When they say socialism, Democrat socialism.

They fence it as an economic.

[B]

Argument.

[A]

Right. I don't think that's what it.

[B]

Is. I agree with.

[A]

You. It's a religious argument, isn't.

[B]

It?

[A]

Yeah. So, Christians, if there's a million of you out there not voting and you know each other, could you please repost the.

[B]

Links.

[A]

Yeah. To the conversation? Because we're not going to get any help spreading this out. Repost the.

[B]

Links.

[A]

Yep. And here's another thing, John, it's great to have you on. We actually would ask for your.

[B]

Help.

[A]

Yep. We do have strategy. There's a store called Free People Store. You can go to free people radio.com upward/store. We got a new property.

[B]

There.

[A]

Yeah. I was at a gonna like this. I went to a deal with.

[B]

Royce.

[A]

Yeah. This is up in Park Rapids, Minnesota. There was like a couple hundred fifty people in the room. And he's riffing on.

[B]

Just.

[A]

Yeah. All the candidates were there and all. Bunch of elected people. And he goes, man, you know Nick Fuentes, now, that's out there. Yeah, I'm right. The people call me far right. No, I'm not far right. I'm just.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Right. And we have a new T shirt. Just right. And if you wear that T shirt, you'll be letting people know that we're not far out. We're just right as in we're.

[B]

Correct. I'm gonna have to find. Find myself one.

[A]

Yeah. Free people.

[B]

Radio.Comupward/Store. Let's do.

[A]

It. And you know, and we have target.com, which is the way we power up this broadcast, which. Everybody needs tires. It's about to.

[B]

Snow.

[A]

Yep. It's about to rain down south. If you feel you need tires, you do. Go to tireget.com. everything you need. Price is Right service in your backyard. We put the tires on five minutes from your house. You'll love it. And you got a question, you can call. I'll talk to you. I get a chance to meet you. And why do I do that? And people are shocked when I talk to them. Like, they'll call into the phone bank and I'll be walking by and I'll hear and I'll say, kerry, let me talk to this person. And they go, is that really.

[B]

You?

[A]

Yeah. And you know why I do it?

[B]

Community.

[A]

Yeah. I'm here to serve these people. And we haven't seen that spirit here since 1969. We are not rent seekers. We're here to serve because we're Republicans. That's what we do. So what we talked about, how do we get involved? The first step.

And I'm going to just say this, try to avoid being on a surgery table, getting a biopsy. Try to avoid it. And how do you avoid it is you're proactive. You don't have to be a dumb shit like me and be reactive because if God has a plan for you, you're not going to be avoiding it. So if you have some thinking about this, here's something you can do. I pick up a Bible and read.

[B]

It. Oh.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I. I mean, I meet all these people.

You know, they pray before they eat. I see it all the time, and I don't do that. So I just dig right in. And then I feel bad, oh, my God, what did I do? But then I recognize they're not really walking by faith and not by sight. They're just mouthing some prayers. Kind of like the hypocrites back in the temple. They're not really there. If you're really there, get out Psalm.

[B]

91.

[A]

Yeah. And read it over and over until you're ready to do it. And so that's a start, is to look at the faith. Like, I'm gonna have to just let me go. Matthew.

[B]

10:34.

[A]

Yeah. You know, we go to. Now, I've been. I've been to your church.

You know, a lot of church. I've been to a lot of churches. I like going to.

[B]

Church.

[A]

Yeah. And, you know, I play violin for a long time. I went there just Play violin.

[B]

There. I didn't know.

[A]

That. And, oh, yeah, when I was young, I was good. Loved going to church because, you know, it was a religious experience and I got paid for being.

[B]

There.

[A]

Sure. It was a.

[B]

Twofer.

[A]

Yeah. Anyhow, let you know where I was at back in the day. Anyhow, Matthew 10:34. We have this vision of Christ, and I just saw it this morning. Hey, Tanner, can you put this one up just as we. As we lead out here? Probably going to be good for an extra half hour. I sent you. Can you put this picture up in this thing? And this was on my ex feed today. And it says, Christ was a man who would not fight for his own people, nor even his own survival. And his great moral achievement is convincing white people not to fight for their survival. And I can only say in response to this, because this is what people are dealing with now, two things come to mind. Christ moved through a crowd like a whirlwind. And having fought three people at one time. I did. I was in a fight. Three people at once. Oh, you move like a whirlwind or you get crushed. So I know what. I don't know what it felt like for Christ, but I know what it felt like for me. I was moving like a whirlwind. But the one that I think of is Matthew 10:34. I did not come to bring peace, but I came with a sword to turn father against son and mother in law against daughter in law. And whosoever loves their children more than me is not worthy of.

[B]

Me.

[A]

Yeah. And whosoever loves mother and father more than me is not worthy of me. And whosoever finds their life shall lose it. And whosoever loses their life in my name shall find it. That is a warrior.

[B]

Creed. Absolutely.

[A]

Absolutely. So when I see this kind of thing and I recognize that we have fragmentation, this is what I would say is principalities and powers and people not knowing the.

[B]

Faith.

[A]

Right. Am I wrong or am I.

[B]

Undertone? No, I think that's good.

[A]

Tanner. Thanks. Take that off of there. Go ahead. Go with.

[B]

That. That's the non striped Jesus right.

[A]

There. What does that mean, the non striped.

[B]

Jesus? Oh, Jesus without any lashes said he was unrecognizable as a man because he was beaten and whipped and scourged so heavily before the crucifixion.

That crown of thorns was beat into his head.

His beard was plucked out, and he was whipped and scourged so badly that he could see. You could see his bones like it was flesh was hanging off his body. He was. He was beaten and marred beyond.

[A]

Recognition. And you say his beard was plucked.

[B]

Up. His beard was plucked up, which.

[A]

Is another reversal because it says in the Old.

[B]

Testament.

[A]

Yeah. To have a beard. That's why you see the religious Jewish people wearing beards. Wow. I mean, so what we're saying here is that we have this vision.

That'S not.

[B]

Fully.

[A]

Yeah. We haven't really embraced it, have.

[B]

We? It's. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Just to say that, you know, I even look at that, and I'm like, that there's such a wussy Jesus, because he went through it all. He went through all of.

[A]

It. What a badass move to go right into the center of power, like the U.S.

[B]

Senate.

[A]

Right. And turn over the table of the money changers. You know, I make no secret of the fact that I would like to see Royce White get to the.

[B]

Senate.

[A]

Yeah. And people go, well, he's got this flat spot. He's got that flat spot. And he swears. Yeah. He's got a lot of flat.

[B]

Spots.

[A]

Sure. Like all these.

[B]

Candidates.

[A]

Yeah. But, man, he'll turn over those tables, and we need that. We need. We need imperfect servants of the Lord to come forward. So if you're listening and you get this, and it's Thanksgiving, praise God for this year, thank God for this year, and ask God.

What can I do to serve you today? Don't project downstream three years down road. What am I supposed to do today? Just today. Take it one step at a time.

[B]

Right. Simple. Very.

[A]

Simple. Do they teach that as part of the deal? Let's stay in the.

[B]

Present. Absolutely. Yeah, you can. Today, the past is gone. Tomorrow's going to take care of itself. But today, that's. This is. This is your.

[A]

Shot. And today we'll get a chance to do this on Thanksgiving.

[B]

Together.

[A]

Yeah. And these conversations, I want to keep them going.

[B]

Because.

[A]

Sure. I. You know, and I'm going to tell you, I would love. And I say this to different people in the party. I would love to go on the road with this and get in front of these people and let them step up to the microphone and criticize. Let them bring their complaints.

[B]

Forward.

[A]

Yeah. And find loving people. Yeah. That are not.

[B]

Judgmental.

[A]

Yeah. The only people I judge are.

[B]

Liars.

[A]

Yeah. If people don't. If they don't agree with me, that's healthy. This is America.

[B]

That's.

[A]

Yep. But don't.

[B]

Lie. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. And lying to yourself. Well, sometimes you got to get rebuke.

[B]

First. The first lies, you need to see through Are the ones that you've.

[A]

Been telling yourself, Are you seeing more people come into the faith now? Are we getting an.

[B]

Influence? I think so. I think so.

[A]

Yeah. Are you. Are you.

[B]

Optimistic? I'm. I'm cautiously optimistic because I see the big push in opposition. But.

I think the.

The. The stronger the darkness grows, the brighter the light shines. And so the miracle is coming. Absolutely.

[A]

Yes. I think so. And every Thanksgiving for me at my age, I hope I'm. We're. A few days.

[B]

Before.

[A]

Yeah. I hope I make it, because, you know, these holidays mean so much to me now to be with.

[B]

Family.

[A]

Yep. My son showing up. I got my first granddaughter. I remember what my first. Yes. I'm actually pretty awesome. This is the first time I've shown any excitement about it. But I actually. My son will be here with my. He lives in California. He's bringing this baby.

[B]

Back. It's.

[A]

Cool. So I'm really looking forward to that. You know, John, it's great when you come in. We want you to come back regular because we want to reach.

[B]

Out.

[A]

Yeah. And we want to reach out. This why I'm doing this with you. I want to get to these Christians that don't vote, but I also want to get to the audience that they understand that there is within Republicanism, a message of faith and redemption, for sure. That is grounded in a very ancient.

[B]

Tradition.

[A]

Absolutely. And I'm not letting these Satanists reverse.

[B]

It.

[A]

Yep. That's my. Part of my work that show.

[B]

Up to make sure that happens.

[A]

Though. Just show.

[B]

Up. Got to show.

[A]

Up. Do you know how quick we could win that if everybody just rolled into.

[B]

Caucus?

[A]

Yeah. Like, let me just. In Minnesota, wherever you're living, if you're living in Somaliland, I mean, it's the same deal.

[B]

Everywhere.

[A]

Yeah. There's 1.5 million Republican voters in Minnesota on average. That's a high number. But for a round number, 15,000 citizens show up for caucus.

[B]

1%.

[A]

Yeah. If we got that up to.

[B]

5%, that'd be a different.

[A]

Story. Oh, the world would change overnight. And all you gotta do is show up. Go to that Secretary of State.

[B]

Website. I'm gonna do.

[A]

It. All right. Cool. Tanner. Yep. May you have a. I hope you've had. I hope we're good. I hope you had a wonderful.

[C]

Thanksgiving. He was.

[A]

Well. Thank you very.

[C]

Much. Have a good night.

[G]

Everybody.

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