The Patriettes Podcast: Episode 46 | November 20, 2025 | Hosts: Angie, Donna, Teresa, & Guest Cohost: Bobby Vincench | Special guests: Dana & Lauren Cavalea & Natasha Owens

Summary

Real America’s Voice: The Patriettes Podcast – Episode 46

Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Angie, Donna, Teresa, & Guest Cohost: Bobby Vincench
Special Guests: Dana & Lauren Cavalier (Freedom Farms) and Natasha Owens

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of The Patriettes Podcast dives into American values, the evolving landscape shaped by artificial intelligence, freedom of speech in music, and entrepreneurship within the “America First” movement. Hosted live from the America First Warehouse, the show features discussions with entrepreneur and life coach Bobby Vincench, a candid interview with singer-songwriter Natasha Owens, and a conversation with Dana & Lauren Cavalier of Freedom Farms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Entrepreneurship, Life Coaching, and Homeschooling

(03:09–08:00)

• Bobby Vincench (of Free Minds Thrive) shares his journey from corporate marketing to life coaching, focusing on helping both adults and, increasingly, teenagers develop critical thinking skills.
• Emphasizes the importance of learning to control one's choices and thoughts:

  "There’s got to be a way to make a living just helping people to be a little more in control of the things they do." – Bobby, (05:22)

• Hosts encourage Bobby’s outreach to the homeschool community, noting a need for independent mentorship beyond parental roles.

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2. The Double-Edged Sword of Artificial Intelligence

(08:09–31:00; 19:07–31:02, 19:43–31:02)

General Perspectives

• Hosts and Bobby discuss AI’s convenience versus its potential dangers, voicing concern about critical thinking erosion, especially among children:

  "When I use it now, as a matter of convenience, I don't think I’m dumbing myself down... I’m terrified for the kids of the next generation." – Co-host, (09:26)

• Bobby outlines a generational divide, contending that kids raised with AI as the “source of truth” will lack essential analytical and problem-solving abilities.
• Notable fear is expressed regarding the loss of "authenticity" and the growing volume of AI-produced content.

Specific AI Concerns and Societal Impact

• Bobby reveals:

  "Over half the Internet now is estimated to be AI generated content. Over half. Can you guys tell me what you think that means when somebody goes to do research on anything?" – Bobby, (12:22)

• Discusses how reliance on AI can perpetuate and amplify misinformation:

  "For people who start relying on it and treating it like a God, like an expert, they're going to be basically copying and pasting wrong information...and that compounds itself." – Bobby, (13:49)

• Warns about AI-induced intellectual homogenization and self-referential loops leading to data dilution:

  "Through the generations of it being trained, actually it gets trained more and more on its own data. So it actually gets dumber and dumber over time." – Bobby, (23:00)

• Analogy of AI as a photocopier artifact—each successive reproduction distorts the original more.

Advice for Adults and Parents

• Bobby’s guidance:
  • "Make a conscious choice, choosing to stay human. Meaning, I’m going to make most of my own stuff. It’s going to take longer, but it’s going to sound like me." (13:49)
  • "For children, they shouldn’t be anywhere near it... You gotta let them build out their own critical thinking, their own independent mind." (19:58)
  • "With AI, everything should start and end with you." (21:04)
• Raises the notion that the trajectory of AI adoption depends on conscious societal choices, not inevitability:

  "What’s going to happen is what we're going to let happen." – Bobby, (28:40)

• The episode closes this section with an existential warning about the risk of letting AI become an unquestioned authority ("AI as God").

Memorable Moment

• Host relates modern AI to the "Tower of Babel," symbolizing overreach and a loss of true human connection:

  "To me, this feels like a sort of a tower of Babel, like this great tower...to worship, of knowledge and ease for all. And it’s destroying us." – Host, (29:49)

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3. Freedom in Music: Natasha Owens’ Story

(35:32–47:15)

• Natasha Owens, Christian singer-songwriter, joins to discuss her satirical song “Climate Change is Real”:

  "It’s calling out the billionaires...making us suck out of paper straws. So we thought we would put a spotlight to this topic and did a song called ‘Climate Change is Real.’" – Natasha, (35:53)

• Outlines backlash and “cancellation” within the contemporary Christian music industry after releasing pro-life and patriotic songs:

  "I did a pro-life song. Got kicked out of contemporary Christian... So we are hitting topics that need truth." – Natasha, (37:17)

• Natasha describes the challenges and rewards of transitioning into overtly political music, including:
  • Receiving death threats, technical suppression, and spiritual attacks.
  • Persevering out of conviction to speak (and sing) for what she believes in.
• Sheds light on the Christian music industry's progressive drift and behind-the-scenes cultural conflicts (42:53–45:35).
• Encouragement from hosts and listeners to support Natasha directly via iTunes and merch purchases.

Notable Quotes

• "We live in a world today that doesn’t want to hear truth. It’s hard for them to hear it. And then the people who are trying to hide it doesn’t want us to talk about it." – Natasha, (41:54)
• "I can’t look at you in the eye and my future generations in the eye and tell you that I didn’t do everything I could to help fight this and bring awareness." – Natasha, (41:44)
• "Nothing worth having comes easy." – Co-host, (45:35)

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4. The Freedom Farms Story: Agriculture, Marketing & Community

(51:41–62:23)

• Dana & Lauren Cavalier explain their move from careers with the Yankees and ABC to launching Freedom Farms in upstate New York.
• Spontaneous start: Bought a farm property sight-unseen and began raising cattle (their first 13 cows came from Craigslist!).
• Motivated by Covid, media censorship, and a yearning for self-sufficiency and authentic expression:

  "A place that we could feel free during love...and I wanted a place where I...could finally let my hair down and say how I really felt about what was going on in the country." – Lauren, (54:20)

• Business model focused on “America First,” supporting patriotic consumers, and resists conformity in a “woke” industry:

  "There’s nothing more American than beef, and there’s nothing more American than land and livestock." – Dana, (56:51)

• Strong connection to customers who share their values—with a sense of humor and resilience about pushback from vegans, liberals, and socialists.
• Marketing with a personal New York flavor:

  "We bring that Long Island hustle to upstate New York." – Lauren, (58:29)

• Products are MRNA-free, with an emphasis on traditional, natural farming methods.

Website & Ordering

• Website: wearefreedomfarms.com
• Ships nationwide, with a focus on delivering quality directly to customers and building a like-minded community.
• Hosts enthusiastic about supporting Freedom Farms, planning to attend their annual “Freedom Fest.”

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Key Timestamps

• 03:09 – Show opening and introductions
• 05:22 – Bobby’s life coaching journey
• 08:09–13:32 – AI discussion and intergenerational concerns
• 13:49 – Bobby’s advice: “Choose to stay human”
• 19:58–30:56 – AI: Societal and existential implications
• 35:32 – Natasha Owens interview begins
• 37:17 – Natasha on being canceled in Christian music
• 41:54 – The personal and spiritual cost of activism
• 51:41 – Freedom Farms interview begins
• 54:20 – From newsrooms to farming: Lauren’s story
• 56:51 – “Nothing more American than beef...”
• 58:29 – Long Island hustle on the farm
• 62:14 – Show wrap-up and closing remarks

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Notable Quotes

"Over half the Internet now is estimated to be AI generated content. Over half."
– Bobby Vincench, (12:22)

"For children, they shouldn't be anywhere near it... You gotta let them build out their own critical thinking."
– Bobby Vincench, (19:58)

"We live in a world today that doesn’t want to hear truth...it’s a spiritual battle too, because this is a battle between good and bad, evil."
– Natasha Owens, (41:54)

"There's nothing more American than beef, and there's nothing more American than land and livestock."
– Dana Cavalier, (56:51)

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Tone & Style

The episode is energetic, passionate, and direct, marked by friendly banter and an atmosphere of solidarity. Hosts and guests combine personal testimony, humor, and concern for cultural trends, especially around technology, the arts, and food independence. The conversation is openly skeptical of mainstream narratives and places high value on faith, tradition, and individual agency.

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For Listeners

For those who missed the episode, this conversation offers:

• A thorough critique and cautious approach to artificial intelligence in education, business, and daily life—including actionable advice.
• An inside look at how faith-driven and patriotic creators are challenging censorship in music and business.
• Heartfelt encouragement to preserve authentic human connection, support independent voices, and build communities that reflect American values.
• Resources for supporting guests’ work:
  • wearefreedomfarms.com (Freedom Farms)
  • NatashaOwensMusic.com and iTunes (Natasha Owens Music)
  • Free Minds Thrive (Bobby Vincench – life coaching/entrepreneurship)

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“Keep your faith strong, your family close, and your freedom alive.”
— The Patriettes (65:09)

Transcript

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the Patriots Podcast. We are season two, episode 46. We live stream right here from the America first warehouse every Tuesday night at 6, 7:30pm Live. We're happy to have you back with us. We're happy to have you back with us.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's what I was thinking.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Thank you. Thank you. I had a great time being away with my kids and my grandkids and celebrating birthdays and things, but it is so good to be back. I always miss being with you. I know we missed you, but you will notice that we have a guest with us. He's a familiar face. Yes. Bobby. Bobby Vincent is. From Free Minds thrive, Vince Finch. I cannot do it. Vince. Bobby Vincent. Think of Vincenzo.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I do. Every time. Every time. When you say it.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Anyway. From Free Minds Thrive. Bobby, you've been with us before. We're so happy you decided to come.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Back a good buddy.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Dana Cavalier]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

It's aging in reverse now.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I'll take it.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

You know, I was at a doctor that we both go to when they were talking. I was at the. I was at the counter and they were talking about, like, lip balms. And I said, have you guys ever heard of beef tallow? And they're like, yeah, you know what? Somebody told me about that. And I bet I said, you know. You know Teresa, right? And they go, yeah. And she goes, you know what? I think it might have been her.

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Face.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I tell everybody that.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah. I'm a little bit obsessed with it, actually.

[Dana Cavalier]

Well, give you your own, like.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah. Like it.

[Rodney Williams]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I'm going to try to be. You know, I tell everybody. I tell everybody that about it. It's amazing. But that's not the only thing you do. Life coach, healthy ways, all sorts of good stuff. Oh, are we off? That's not. That's our fault. Sorry.

[Dana Cavalier]

Oh, that's okay.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Sorry. We want to hear you.

[Dana Cavalier]

It's life, guys.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

There you go. There's Bobby now.

[Dana Cavalier]

We're back. Hi.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Bobby, hello again.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

It's official now.

[Dana Cavalier]

Yeah.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So aside from the incredible products that you make with Free Minds Thrive, I mean, that's like an after. That came after some of the other stuff that you've been doing.

[Dana Cavalier]

Yeah, yeah. When I left my career and decided, what am I going to do with my life, Do I want to spruce up the resume, go back into marketing and advertising and all that kind of stuff, or do I want to do something new? I thought about all the people in my life that, quite frankly, made a lot of mistakes, bad choices, things they regretted later, but things they had full control over in the moment. And I said, there's got to be a way to make a living just helping people to be a little more in control of the things they do. And what's interesting about it is I started with adults just helping adults kind of get their minds straight. You know, we all have our thing. So if I can help you work through your thoughts, great. So that's where the life coach came in. However, what I found very quickly was a lot of adults were like, oh, my kid could really use this. And that's when the new avenue started developing, which was helping teenagers.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Love that.

[Dana Cavalier]

That's such a great idea. Yeah, I love it. I love it. It's rewarding with these kids who aren't quite where we are yet. They haven't made those mistakes yet. They're still trying to figure things out. They're on the cusp of adulthood. And so we started building out an education program, and that's kind of what led us here. And now here we are. And then, you know, health products. And when you're up. Are any of you guys entrepreneurs outside of podcasting? Okay. You tend to become a serial entrepreneur. It's kind of hard to stop. New ideas keep popping up. Of course, you have to control which ones you run with because you can't do everything, but still, you're always like, ooh, this, ooh, that, and, you know.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Somebody needs to do.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I want to do that.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I want to come up with something.

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I just haven't figured it out yet.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

But it gives you that. You know, you have the free. Like, that beautiful. Part of that is as much of the hard work as it is and a lot of the burden and responsibility. It's also the freedom of being able to do what you want.

[Dana Cavalier]

Right.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And take the risk and the chance, and it's a beautiful thing. And I loved how supportive your wife was when you came with this idea, and she's, you know, partnered with you to be the, the strong woman behind.

[Dana Cavalier]

The man, which is great without, without her saying take a chance and don't make money for a little while, it never would.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We love her.

[Dana Cavalier]

Let's say hi at the beginning with a business. Yeah, it's tough, but.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, I do want to say, I think that you should be. I'm just going to put my 2 cents, my entrepreneurial 2 cents. I think your services are needed in, in the homeschool community. I think it would. If you haven't done that yet, it would be a great place to connect and we have a bunch right for the co ops and things. What a beautiful thing to offer young folks and maybe help steer them away because they don't always listen to their parents, do they? They start to turn a blind ear or a deaf ear. But anyway, in that vein, talking about where we are today in education, technology and all of our institutions, we wanted to talk with you today and get some of your perspective on something that's looming and very present, a very present danger. I think AI, I have a love hate for that. Yeah.

[Dana Cavalier]

All right, let me, let me turn it around real quick. Before I put my two cents in. Let's get a baseline for what you guys think. What's your current position on AI?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I have.

[Dana Cavalier]

How do you use it?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I've used it in a very limited way. I started noticing it when I, you know, when I'm googling stuff and I start to see, you know, you know, you could ask more, you could do more. I haven't really gotten deep into it yet because I'm a little bit nervous about, you know, about what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing and how much does it really know and how much does it, you know, how much can it actually do? Yeah. And does it have the ability to really learn and take over for itself? I mean, like.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, the more you wonder about that, you'll see that it does. That's scary to me. Oh, it's terrifying.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

It's scary. It's very scary to me.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

You weigh in first because I have, well, mixed feeling.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I'll quickly just say I, I use it. Compared to many people who know how to wield it in all its glory and terror.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That would be James back there.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I, I use it, I use it in very limited capacity to make basic things easier and quicker. But I think it's a friend and a foe. I think it is like anything else. It has to be wielded, so it doesn't wield us.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

So here's, here's the Thing with that, all of us here, I would think, right. We went to. How many of us were in school, in elementary school going through the library index, Right. We had to learn things in an antiquated manner. We went through yellow pages. We went through the library index essays and really read books and write script and cry writing your name a thousand times. So, like, we went through all that already. So when I use it now, as a matter of convenience, I don't think I'm dumbing myself down. Me, personally, right. I'm terrified for the kids of the next generation.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, okay.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Because they didn't do those, learn those skills yet. And that absolutely terrifies me for them because I think when I have the dumbest generation of kids out there, if they're only going to use AI for their life.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah. They're not. They're not thinking.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

They're not using their own critical. They need to think critical skills. We already have critical thinking skills.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

All right, Bobbi, go ahead.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Let's hear. Yes, I really want to hear.

[Dana Cavalier]

We're on the same team. I mean, we all pretty much are taking a cautious approach, but a lot of adults are jumping right in because, look, we live in a world where everybody wants the quick answer because there's so much to do. We're expected to do so much produce, produce, produce, produce. So we run to AI. We run to pharmaceutical pills and drugs. We run to, you know, before AI, it was run to Google. It was your quickest.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Guilty, guilty, guilty.

[Dana Cavalier]

But now it's a little bit different, right? Because as you pointed out, we had the foundation. We had a whole childhood of having to figure out how to think for ourselves. Who am I? Why do I think the way I.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Think we drank from a damn hose?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Seriously, I played in dirt.

[Dana Cavalier]

We had to figure it out. So we developed something that these new generations of kids will be the first generations in all of human history that will not know how to think for themselves, how to come up with their own conclusions, how to do the work to find the right answer. Not just an answer, because that's the problem, Right? It's not just a matter of getting an answer and throwing it out. It's getting the right answer. Whether that's a subjective thing or objective doesn't matter. It's getting the right answer. The other thing is authenticity. Every one of us has a voice. If I know you, any of you well enough, and I see you speaking and then I see you writing, your writing reflects you. Now, everybody who uses AI, I would say that's a blanket statement. It's damn near close to everybody. Nearly everybody who uses AI I can tell right away you used AI from the word.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

The word.

[Dana Cavalier]

The way it's.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And the dashes.

[Dana Cavalier]

Even if you try to prompt it to speak in a unique kind of way, you can still tell that there's a structure, there's a formula to the way AI speaks. So it is you fused with AI but more AI because many people wanting to move to the next thing and be ultra now. You're a superhuman. It's like, I could be ultra productive. I could make a million more things than I could have before. Yes, it took time before, but at least what you put out, you were proud of. It was. You reflected you. It sounded like you.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And own accountability.

[Dana Cavalier]

You guys know over half the Internet now is estimated to be AI generated content. Over half. Can you guys tell me what you think that means when somebody goes to do research on anything?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I'm thinking about that. Like college papers, high school papers, things that kids have to do to put in the research for. Even us trying to get to the bottom or the truth.

[Dana Cavalier]

Right.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, we've had it in the group chat. I mean, Lisa talked about this on the morning show a few weeks ago. She had to like, talk to it three times. It like, told her the wrong information. She was like, that's incorrect. Then it apologized to her and it's like, you know. But there was a real estate agent that Ernie and I were talking to a few days ago, and she said, there is a program so these. I didn't know this years ago. I guess it was a program that teachers could see if you plagiarized, like.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

It went through a.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Now there's one that they could tell. It's AI I could tell right away because I learned early on that when it does a lot of dashes and the dash is very prominent, you know, when it's AI Dash. When I do use AI Go in and edit all those things, I do change it to a little bit more my wording. I do use it now because I do a million different things, but at the same time, I don't encourage it. Like, you know, so younger kids.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So I think, you know, a reasonable question is, you know, how do we safety or secure ourselves from becoming victims really, of AI and for the. For ourselves in the next generation. I know we have a few seconds and very pointed, important questions.

[Dana Cavalier]

Well, I. And I would love to. I mean, this conversation go for five hours, right? We could have a whole round robin. We should, but we will. I think the first thing is making a conscious choice, choosing to stay human. Meaning I'm going to make most of my own stuff. It's going to take longer, but it's going to sound like me. It's going to take longer, but I'm going to be proud of what I wrote. It's going to take longer, but I'm going to be sure it's right. Because I can give you guys, we won't do it now, but I can give you numerous examples, from the simplest things to the complicated things where AI got it totally wrong. Now for people who start relying on it and treating it like a God, like an expert, they're going to be basically copying and pasting wrong information, spreading it with the world and doing more damage. And that compounds itself, you know. But it starts there.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Hopefully we'll get back to this before the show is over, but stay with us. We'll be right back.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams. And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving, it's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and and relying on your community to create something bigger. And that's exactly why we created the wealthbreak. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles, and real wins. We're here to talk about the journey you're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories. And we're not Stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same. So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Welcome back to the Patriots podcast. We just took a break and we'll be coming back at the end of the show to talk a little bit more touch, a little bit more on the AI conversation. But we do have some other really amazing guests with us. Are they here on Zoom? We have Dana and Lauren Cavalier. They're expected on any minute. So maybe what we'll do, since they're not quite on Zoom yet, we can continue the conversation a little bit on the AI.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I always get nervous that it's my. That I mess something up. I'm going to continue, I'm going to make sure I didn't mess anything up here.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Okay. So we were really just saying, like, how do we protect ourselves and humanity from AI while still using it for. For the good that it can give? Because there is benefit to it.

[Dana Cavalier]

Right.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So we'd love to hear a little bit of your thoughts on that.

[Dana Cavalier]

My personal opinion is for children, they shouldn't be anywhere near it. You can start teaching them about it, but you gotta let them build out their own critical thinking, their own independent mind. You gotta let them work out how to speak like themselves. And we don't need averaged out, copy paste, cookie cutter kids running around. It's bad enough that many kids conform due to pressure of wanting to be like everyone else, fit in and all that. The last thing we need is then none of them speaking and speaking to each other through a machine. The machine is just speaking to itself, bouncing around between people. That's crazy.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

It's bad enough they sit in a car next to each other and they're texting each other.

[Dana Cavalier]

Right? Exactly.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

They're not even talking.

[Dana Cavalier]

Well, now you've got people literally texting their significant others, their bosses, and everyone else with AI messages. What should I say back? Copy paste. Here's what my boyfriend said. Analyze it and give me a great message.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Copy paste.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

That's insane.

[Dana Cavalier]

There's all sorts of stuff, stories about this, how people are doing this, and it's crazy. So. But what can you do if you're an adult? Because I would say, you know, at some point, you're going to have AI in your face. First of all, I think, is to remember it's one of many tools. You can't get so absorbed in it because it's so quick and impressive that you're like, I'm just going to use it for everything. You still have to balance out. I'm going to do research by listening to some experts on YouTube. I'm going to read a book about it. I'm going to go search on Google. I'm going to talk to friends and family. I'm going to call an expert. If I have an electrical problem in my house, I'm not just going to go based on what AI says. I'll watch some YouTube videos, I'll read the comments. I'll call an electrician. Hey, buddy, what do you think I should do? Then I'll make the final decision. Everything should start and end with you. With AI, everything should start and end with you. And you should remember it's one of many tools, right? And so my second tip is, you start it, you finish it, you create the idea, you write it all out. You do as much of the work as you can up front. Then you tap into AI as a middleman for some brainstorming or to wrap up some things, clean it up, but then you finish it. I shouldn't be able to tell you used AI in the end, right when you post it. I should never have known AI was involved. When I tell you that, not only can I see it, but I'm sure you guys can recognize it. You're looking on the Internet. You can see the way a post is laid out or explained. You can see the videos and you can. Something's a little bit off about this.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I see it explaining. I see it explaining emails. Like it summarizes emails, and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Dana Cavalier]

But it gets it wrong.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Dana Cavalier]

So I teach some classes on Outschool. Right now. We're going to be launching our own teen program directly in February and on the Outschool platform. Every time I'm done with a class, Zoom summarizes the conversation. When I tell you how wrong it gets, what we talked about, it's embarrassing.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[Dana Cavalier]

Now you could say, well, it'll get better, okay? But it's not better now. So why is everyone all dug in on it?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's right.

[Dana Cavalier]

I read it. And I have to. I have to highlight, delete, rewrite.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

The same reason people love microwaves. Quick and easy.

[Dana Cavalier]

Quick and easy destroys your food.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Right? But it destroys the food it's the same, it's the same concept. We're like this fast food, fast, fast, fast, easy, easy, easy.

[Dana Cavalier]

Right?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

And look what it does. Yeah, yeah, look at the garbage in it. Garbage in, garbage out.

[Dana Cavalier]

Garbage in, garbage out. You said something before about how, you know, can it think for itself? It's a language learning model. If you just look into it, take a couple of minutes, 15, 20 minutes, research language learning models, how they work, they're advanced. But it's not thinking for itself. It is looking for patterns in the data it's been trained on. That's human data. And then over time, through the generations of it being trained, actually it gets trained more and more on its own data. So it actually gets dumber and dumber over time. So.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Dana Cavalier]

So think about this for a second. Think about, like, think about a photocopier. You take the original picture, you photocopy it, the second one looks a little off. Colors aren't right. Details are off, contrast is off. Run it through again, run it through again, run it through again. Every time you do it, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse. Well, if AI creates over half the content on the Internet and then they use all that content, not knowing which one was created by people or AI, and then they feed it back into AI and then AI gets trained on that and then feed it back, it's now teaching itself.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's diluted.

[Dana Cavalier]

Every kind of diluted information actually gets dumber and dumber. And I say dumber and dumber. It's not quite literally dumb, but it actually gets less impressive information, less complicated, advanced ways of speaking and talking about things. It starts missing certain points of views because it cuts off the extremes and viewpoints. So if you want to talk about vaccines to AI, it's already just how it's trained, cutting off a lot of the end points of what people think.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Wow, interesting.

[Dana Cavalier]

Averaging it out and then as it does that more and more and compounds it, it gets harder and harder now for it to even know that there are other points of view. So they got to go in and they have to basically intercept it and retrain it all the time. So it's not perfect. It constantly reverses, requires human intervention to make it, to keep the models right. And it needs us because the less content we make as people, the worse it gets because it understands us less. It only understand its own made up interpretations of what humans do more and more, which makes it delusional over time.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

That's interesting. That's scary. It is well, it's scary when you think about the fact that automation of major systems is happening. Right. So like computers are in charge of grids and you know, and all kinds of industrial infrastructures. Yes. So what does that mean for, you know, the future there? If they dumb down over time?

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I have a friend who said, you know, we're going to use it and we're going to feed it what we want it to know. You have to just keep feeding it the other things.

[Dana Cavalier]

I'm like, doesn't work like that.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Dana Cavalier]

People seem to think it works like that. You're not. This is the thing that gets me about these prompt engineers and these AI experts. And I get it, we're all trying to figure it out. All right, so this is not a criticism, but we all got to be honest with each other or this conversation is going to lead us to a world we don't want. Like, are we happy with this world, guys? You happy with the way it's going? How do we all feel about it? You, everybody out there, you happy with the way it's going? Is this the future you wanted? The future where humans are not involved at all? Machines just do everything. So the problem is we're at the beginning of that process. What are we going to do about it? It's like when you have a program that you tell it exactly what to do. If this, then that, if this, then that. That's one thing, that's humans still in charge of everything. But when you have something like AI that tries to interpret a lot, it's not actually creative, it's not actually thinking. But it does have a lot of open room for interpreting things. And humans have to stay involved. And that's why it's such a big industry. You see how much money they're spending in this area and the amount of.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Energy that it requires.

[Dana Cavalier]

Energy.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

The energy from the world farms being.

[Dana Cavalier]

Bought to put solar panels down to feed these data centers.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

But then we'll eat lab grown meat, 3D printed meat, or eat a cow. They put off too much methane. But anyway, I digress. So the thing I was thinking about before was recursive self improvement, which is the terminology for when AI starts training itself without human intervention. It's starts learning from. They say it hasn't actually happened yet, but it's a concern that it will. And then where is it going from there? Because that's without human input and interaction or oversight.

[Dana Cavalier]

It doesn't train itself forever. Like take a chatbot for instance, or an Image generator. It doesn't train itself forever and ever and ever. And people are like, oh my God, what's happening? They're constantly going in and kind of pausing that version, retraining, putting it back out. But every time they retrain, one of the ways they try to get it to stay sane and put out quality content is they have to retrain it with human stuff again. So some of these companies, even Xai, if you use Grok and you ask it about this very question we're talking about, it tells you that xai, the company behind grok, is actively collecting human books, human resources, human information, in order to create a foundation like a heart and soul for AI to not get too crazy. Meaning always, always hook back to the human stuff. Don't get so crazy in your own warped AI mind that you start creating delusions and get lost in your own.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

It's like a movie.

[Dana Cavalier]

Can you believe? What are we doing?

[Commercial Announcer]

I know.

[Dana Cavalier]

Why are we bothering to produce more? Have your essay written without doing any work. Write a quick social media post. My question is, is it worth it? That's all. That's all. Is it worth it? Is this the world you want? And if it's not, don't buy into this idea that, oh, but it's going to happen anyway. The future hasn't happened yet. What are you talking about? What's going to happen is what we're going to let happen.

[Rodney Williams]

That's right.

[Dana Cavalier]

Oh, but they're pushing it. If they want to push it, it's going to happen. Well, first of all, that's a terrifyingly awful way to think, just to think that, oh, so if they do it, we got to deal with it. So then what's the point of trying to do anything?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Anything.

[Dana Cavalier]

If I want a different world, if you guys want a different world, we have to make choices. We have to do what we think is right. And if we think AI is leading to a world that we quite frankly don't want. Do you want to be judged by an AI police officer someday or a human police officer now? Humans make mistakes, but humans have a soul.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yes, that's right.

[Dana Cavalier]

And AI gets screwy, misjudges the situation, and humans do it too. But I'm going to take my chances with humans.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's frightening.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

That's frightening to me.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

It's very frightening.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, I think great examples right now that we can all. I can't imagine anyone that can identify with this or haven't has experience, has not experienced this is, you know, you try to get through to A customer service agent for some issue or problem you're having. And it's constantly automated and it's so hard to get to a person and they can't solve your problem. You need a person. And then when you do eventually get to a person, they're reading some AI. Well, they might not be speaking English, most likely, or they're reading some AI generated script.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

They are. It's like a lot of.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

They have nothing that they can do beyond what the robot could have done, but they're at least a voice. It's so frustrating. We need people to be managing and running and caring. Nothing will ever take the place of a human being. Nothing. And to me, this feels like a sort of a tower of Babel, like this great tower of, you know, to worship, of knowledge and ease for all. And it's destroying us. It's got.

[Dana Cavalier]

Can you see a day where they will. I mean, let's, let's think ahead, right? This isn't being crazy, guys. Those of you out there going, they're just afraid. They're just. I'm a tech guy my whole life. I'm not afraid of anything. Yeah, I'm evaluating, I'm looking around the bend. Let me ask you as a question. Do you think someday they will try to convince people that AI is God?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yes.

[Dana Cavalier]

It knows so much. What does that mean?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Dana Cavalier]

Who's the God? The engineers behind the company behind me.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Terrifying.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The people directly.

[Dana Cavalier]

That's where it leads, inevitably. And anyone who can't see that, quite frankly shouldn't be listened to or taken seriously. I know there's people on the other end of the camera going, he just doesn't understand. Let's talk about it for five hours. In the end though, if you don't get where this is going, we got.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

To get to commercial. Sorry, Bobby. Yeah, you're 100% right. But we'll be right back. Stay with us. We'll have some more guests.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams. And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealth break. Let's be honest. Building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create Something bigger. And that's exactly why we created the Wealth Break. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles, and real wins. We're here to talk about the journey. You're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories. And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same. So if you're ready for a podcast as much as about people as it is about money, you're in the right place. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Can we have house? Oh, we need house sound.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Welcome back to the Patriots podcast. We have a wonderful, beautiful guest. Our second time having her on, Natasha Owens. Welcome back with us, Natasha.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Hi, welcome back.

[Natasha Owens]

Thanks for having me.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, I hear a new song playing. Yeah.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

What are we hearing, Natasha?

[Natasha Owens]

Well, it's called Climate Change is Real. We had to re package it and reintroduce it because the climate people pro climate were thanking me and our side was wondering what the heck I was doing. It's calling out the billionaires who are on this climate journey and they're so hypocritical, they want to zip around in their jets, all the while making us suck out of paper straws. So we thought we would put a spotlight to this topic and did a song called Climate Change is Real.

[Commercial Announcer]

Stupid.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I love that. Hey, guys, while Natasha's talking, can you just put her two assets up while she's chatting with us? I want people to see her website and her new song link.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, well, I love the rebranding of the song. It's such a song on. On the words. But for those who don't know, Natasha is a singer, songwriter. She came on the Christian music scene in about 2013 and she really hit the scene heavy. When she wrote the song, Trump won and it received over 100 million social media views.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Such a great song.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, so fun. Such a great song. It is. We've all enjoyed dancing around.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, my God. My kids and I, I know we all singing it for a while. For a long time. It was great.

[Natasha Owens]

Yes.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Good stuff.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So, Natasha, tell us, like, how you get inspired to pick your songs and you know, what your process is in the songwriting journey.

[Natasha Owens]

Well, the Democrats give us so much material that I feel like add I go from one idea to the next. Our list just keeps growing and sometimes we're halfway through an idea and we pivot something very quickly. You know, I was in the Christian world and decided to do a pro life song. Got kicked out of contemporary Christian or boycotted for that. So we are hitting topics that need truth. Right. That we need to speak truth. Controversial topics we're not allowed to talk about. Let me give you a song so that you can sing about it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Love that.

[Natasha Owens]

The process has been very hard because for a Christian writer, we can write five Christian songs or worship songs in a day. But when it comes to these social topics, political topics, we want them to be very clever. And that takes forever, sometimes six months to write a song because one wrong word makes it very cheesy and it makes it a parody song and we don't want that. Hopefully you can see in our songs that they're not cheesy. I think they're very clever.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I love them.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

They are clever. Including the names.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, my God, I love them.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah. So much fun. So much fun. So since your newest release, how has that been met and what's been happening?

[Natasha Owens]

Well, we have to release our songs with press releases. We have no other help than that. And it got lost in the press for the first month or so. But Bill Gates came out a couple weeks ago and did a reversal in his package position and saying, hey guys, guess what? The world is not coming to an end. And when that happened, the media remembered my song and it surged to number one on Apple Music and itunes. We're gonna have another award winning song with this one. You know, I wanted to put a spotlight because Americans don't realize how much of a threat that we are with this Great Reset and 2030 agenda that the UN, the World Economic Forum and leaders around the world, including our own, are pushing. It is a tyrant's dream, this climate agenda, because it's the only thing that can really take away your movements and take away your freedom, take away your property and tax you to death. And I think you're seeing as President Trump got in, the world movement has really started putting it in high gear and just start paying attention to it, because every American needs to know what a threat that we have between now and 2030, and we need to be fighting against it.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's amazing.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, for sure.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And I just want to say, like, you know, we're in the same boat with you here at the warehouse, where you're, you know, out there, you're making this great music and you're not getting to the masses enough because there keeps censoring us all. So we know what that's like because we're facing that, too, and it's frustrating. But I do want to say, really, from the, like, bottom of my heart, I'm proud, whatever that's worth to you, that you keep forging ahead regardless of the, you know, the obstacles, regardless that they want to censor us and cancel us. And that, to me, is what a true patriot heart is. And I, you know, as a freedom fighter myself, I love that you keep persevering. I love that we got to meet with you. We'll always highlight you here. In fact, I was talking to Stefano today, and there's a good chance we might be seeing Natasha in person very soon. We're trying to work out details, and we're so excited, so that's gonna be that.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

When that happens, it's gonna be great.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I want the audience to know. Look out very soon, because I think she's coming to the warehouse soon.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yay.

[Natasha Owens]

I would love that. I cannot wait to get back up to Long island to see you guys. And thank you so much for your words. You know, we get death threats, tech suppression, witches casting spells. It is a. We feel like a fish swimming upstream a lot. But when we hear that that means more than a normal compliment, it gives me just strength to keep going and that we all are doing the right thing. I told my boys, my boys tried to get me not to go down this route. And I said, I can't look at you in the eye and my future generations in the eye and tell you that I didn't do everything that I could to help fight this and bring awareness to what we're fighting, exposing it. So thank you for being in the fight with us.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, thank you. And we Just all stay covered in the armor of God. Right. And we keep. We keep forging ahead. He was. Not that we're any. I'm not ever meaning it that we're like him, but symbolically, the righteous people get persecuted, and that's how you know you're doing the right thing. So it's beautiful to watch.

[Dana Cavalier]

It is.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

And it's tiring. It's not. It's not all, you know, it's not roses and rainbows. It's. It's exhausting.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

It is.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

The fight can be exhausting when they're.

[Natasha Owens]

Standing up for truth. We live in a world today that doesn't want to hear truth. It's hard for them to hear it. And. And then the people who are trying to hide it doesn't want us to talk about it. So it's not only a physical battle in the world that we live in, but it's a spiritual battle too, because this is a battle between good and bad, evil. And the church needs to realize that and start standing up and pushing back against this satanic agenda.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, with that statement, I would just like to return to what you said a few minutes ago about how when you first came on the Christian music scene and you were doing great and then you got shunned by the Christian music industry for having a Pro Life 2 Pro Life song. And I don't know if you want to share any more about that. Was it the record label? Was it, you know, just the industry in general? Because I think also Christians across the country and world should know what they're supporting and what they're not supporting or maybe what they don't want to support. So can you tell us a little bit more about that?

[Natasha Owens]

The industry itself? Nashville is very progressive, more so in the Christian than the country genre. I think when Spotify and all the streaming came in, the money went down to nothing. I mean, Apple Music, Spotify really raised the songwriter, and it's an injustice. And so there wasn't a lot of money. They hired big execs from New York and from California and the secular markets to come in. And that's when everything changed in the Christian market. It became just like a pop in a rock world and with the same type agenda, sleeping your way to the top. All of that horrible stuff is in the Christian music. And the artists themselves are a product of their environment in Nashville. I live in Texas, thank God. We are a free country here compared to Nashville. And, you know, Christian artists aren't followed around by the paparazzi, so they can Be something different on stage than what they really are in real life. And I began to see this the moment that I was on the road with some of these artists, not realizing how corrupt it was until I went against them. They did not like me doing a patriotic album. That's what this whole thing started with. But the radio is what is so contaminated. You've got some great people in radio, but the radio promoters themselves, the two main radio promoters in contemporary Christian, one has trans children, the other is a lesbian with a wife. And so they want to stop anything that is to Jesus, anything that's too conservative against how they believe. And so I started getting boycotted by radio. That was the beginning. And then promoters. I became too controversial because of that. And then artists saying, we love you. We support you. We can't have you on the road with us. We can't be associated with you because you're too controversial. So that's how it started. And I was so upset getting fired off of women's events. And my husband said, do you really want to stand up for a genre that does stand up for life? And I said, you know what? You're right. Because he'd been trying to get me to enter the political arena forever. And I said, no, they hate Trump in Nashville. But he spoke words of wisdom, and I said, yep, let's do it. And so I. That. That's how I turned. It took a stick of dynamite getting me out of my comfort zone to get me to be not afraid and to turn. My husband was never afraid, but I was. I knew what was coming. And it's been the most rewarding thing I've ever done doing music, but it's been the hardest thing I've ever done, too. So anyway, it's a different world for me. I never thought I would be creating music that would get me death threats, but that just tells me I'm singing.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

About the right things and nothing worth having comes easy. That's how it works.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

We have to go through that. But we are glad you've persevered. And what. Where. Where's the. The best place for people to listen to you that you are most rewarded directly?

[Natasha Owens]

It's itunes, actually. Itunes is still available, and we get the majority of the money of that. As a songwriter, the streaming is where we get kind of skipped out of the whole thing. So you can physically buy my merch and music on natasha owensmusic.com or you can physically buy. You can buy it and download it from itunes or Amazon Music or wherever if you purchase it Then that's what helps is it doesn't. But at the end of the day, I want you to hear my music and however you want to hear the music, hear it. If it's streaming that you love, go do it. Don't think twice about it. If it's you really have a heart to help artists like me, then that's in merch. That's in getting me booked and on the road, you know, coming to a location and that is buying the music itself.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I love that. Well, I think the guys control me. Gonna play us out with. With her song, maybe the chorus and if you can put up the Natasha Owens one again. Not I don't want to put up the other graphic because that was going YouTube and we want itunes so I'm gonna buy them tonight. I want to support you.

[Natasha Owens]

YouTube is the funny. Is the funny videos. But you can buy the video on itunes, of course.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, I'm buying it on. On itunes. I will do that. And we encourage our audience to do the same.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yes, we did.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And 12 minutes went fast.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

That said, thank you so much but.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We'Ll have you back again.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, thanks so much for being with us, Natasha.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We will see you soon, our friend.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Thank you.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

God bless you.

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[Rodney Williams]

I'm Rodney Williams. And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger. And that's exactly why we created the wealthbreak. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles, and real wins. We're here to talk about the journey you'll hear from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner, a gig worker, or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business, we're bringing you their stories. And we're not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same. So if you're ready for a podcast, as much as about people as it is about money. You're in the right place. Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Make all that holiday magic. It's TJ Maxx, of course. It's shaping up to be a very magical holiday. Welcome back to the Patriots podcast, and we have with us Dana and Lauren Cavalier. Sorry, from. They're a husband and wife team from Freedom Farms right here in the state of New York or Pro America. Direct to consumer meat company. We're so excited to have you folks with us. Thank you for joining us.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Hi, guys.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Welcome.

[Dana Cavalier]

Hey, guys.

[Lauren Cavalier]

How are you?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Sorry, we're jumping on a little late.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's okay.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's all right.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

No worries.

[Lauren Cavalier]

It's always crazy up here. You never know what's gonna go. What's gonna go on?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

They. Listen, we have a different kind of farm down here. You never know what's gonna go on around here either, so it's all good.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

A funny farm.

[Lauren Cavalier]

We're originally from Long island, so we are you.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, I think Suffolk County.

[Lauren Cavalier]

So we grew up in the Port Jefferson, Mount Sinai area.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Okay, nice. So tell us. Just give us a little bit quickly of your backstory, how you came to do what you're doing live, where you're living. Doing America First Direct to consumer Healthy meat Company.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah, well, we didn't plan this. Certainly. We. I was a coach with the Yankees. Lauren was working in liberal news for the. For abc.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We're sorry, Lauren.

[Commercial Announcer]

I was.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I had to be quiet. I had to be quiet.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah, so we basically, we were actually living in Florida when everyone else migrated from New York down there, you know, trying to avoid, you know, Covid shots and everything in between. So, you know, we had the summer off, and we ended up coming up to visit some family on Long Island. And then we saw this real estate opportunity when we just wanted to take a little trip upstate. And I took a look at this property, and, you know, we kind of fell in love with it. And we said, you know, we'll just use it as a place to go in the summer to escape the Florida heat. And after walking the property for a little while, we said all right, let's do it. And we ended up doing it. And then our first summer up here, we looked out, we said, you know, what's a farm without any animals? So we didn't know anything about farming. We bought our first 13 cows on Craigslist, because that's a place you can buy livestock.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

And then, yeah, we had no idea.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

What we were doing.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Wait, did you have a barn? Did you have a barn at least?

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah, we have a barn. We have a big barn. So we were thinking, okay, well, maybe we'll throw weddings in here and all that kind of stuff. But anyway, now the barn, it's filled.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

It's also, like, during COVID and I.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Thought it'd be good that, you know.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

We could raise our own, you know, food, have our place in the mountains away from everything. That would be a good thing. And because I worked in liberal news, and, you know, Dana and I were like, let's call it Freedom Farms. A place that we could feel free during love.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's so great. And so, like, I took over.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I started the Instagram. He started the Facebook page.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

And I wanted a place where I.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Could finally let my hair down and say how I really felt about what was going on in the country.

[Natasha Owens]

And I didn't care.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I was like, you know what?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I had it bite my lip for so long. You know, ABC News was great, but I had it, you know, keep a lot of things to myself, which, you.

[Natasha Owens]

Know, that's not right.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We. We have a voice, too. We should be able to speak our minds.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Absolutely. Like, with Instagram, like, I'm gonna go rogue.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We're gonna say how we feel.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

If people like it, great.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

If they don't, that's okay, too. But, like, I was sick of, like, always, like, liberals were always so, like.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

You know, and if they're right, they're very passionate and vocal, but, like, we have to be. So that's how Freedom Farm started. And I think a lot of people, they feel comfortable, like, buying from us. Like, and every year, we throw a big party called Freedom Fest, where people from all over come and they spend a day with us on the farm.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

It's a big party.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

When is that?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We couldn't go this year. It was going to be September 13th if we had incoming. And then September, yep, we will be there next year. Called the warehouse and invited us. And that's how this relationship started. Although I don't know if you guys realize, but Joe the box here, they did buy a, like, a half a cow. His wife was telling me Last year with. From you guys. I didn't realize that.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Oh, geez.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yes. The owner of here ordered from you guys like a whole. Half a cow or a whole cow or something.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah, we appreciate it. So, yes, it's a lot of fun. Again, it was one of these journeys that, you know, life kind of takes you on and you just go with it. And before you know it, you know, we started the model was, you know, you know, we'll sell some, you know, to some friends and family. And then people started asking. And then, you know, once, you know how it is, once one Long Islander gets a bite of it, they want.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Bobby knows how that goes.

[Dana Cavalier]

That's for sure. It spreads fast.

[Lauren Cavalier]

That's how it spread. And now, you know, we've sent orders to, you know, Alaska, New Mexico, California, Colorado, Oakland.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

So cool.

[Lauren Cavalier]

So it's. It's a very organic story and it's a very natural story, and it's pretty cool. There's nothing, I would say there's nothing more American than beef, and there's nothing more American than land and livestock. So we're sort of old school land barons that are, you know, doing it in a new school way, homesteading upstate.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So tell, tell us about the process there on your farm, how you're different than other farms, maybe that grow cattle for slaughter, and how people can find you to order this yummy meat.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Well, I think the biggest thing is we have a strong alignment with our customers. So, you know, again, most of our customers, they come to us because they believe in the same mission that we do. It's a, it's a very American mission. And we're all, we're all on that mission together. So that's our, that's our. We know our customer base. They did not vote for Mondavi.

[Dana Cavalier]

They didn't vote for Joe Biden or.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Anyone else like that. And that's our customer. So. And then from there, you know, we, you know, we do have a local element. We do, you know, have very strong, you know, family values that we lead with. Old school values, old school customer service and all that. So our differentiator is we like to say that the taste profile is extremely different than what you would get at the store or get at your grocery store, and we send it right to your house. So we bring you the beef, we bring in the proteins. We also do pork, we also do chicken. We have a fire drill going on right now with Thanksgiving turkeys. And we just try to have a lot of fun while we do it.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

And no MRNA vaccines right yeah, we bring that Long island hustle to upstate New York.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Why always say New York has a special grit? I say that a lot. Right. I think New Yorkers have a very special grit that no one else has.

[Lauren Cavalier]

That's for sure. It's a misunderstood group when they leave the state. And I even think even more so, like when Long Islanders leave the island, it's like my friend says it's the equivalent of when people came to like Ellis Island. It's that different.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Oh, wow. I could believe that because when I went to California to meet my sister in laws. I love you. If you're watching, I was like up, ready to roar. And everyone's like, I'm like, what I do in a day takes them a week. And I was like, what are these people doing? Why the clock is ticking? Like, where's the. I just can't believe. I mean, I'll probably die faster than that of a heart problem, but. It's wild. But it's really cool that you made the leap to come from, you know, Long island and go upstate. It is. That is a big difference for sure. You're living our dream.

[Lauren Cavalier]

I'm the only one in town that.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Uses hair gel, so, you know, and wears Italian shirts. I love that.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah, yeah. My Poly D shore.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's so cool.

[Lauren Cavalier]

So it's fun, you know, just being able to bridge the gap. And also, you know, you can't forget agriculture is a very old school thing. So, you know, bringing a new school mentality and bringing some spice and some flair and, you know, some modern day marketing to it is a lot of fun.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We love that.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

What's your website? So people can follow and order for sure.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Actually control. You can bring that up please too.

[Dana Cavalier]

It's.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

We are freedomfarms.com and we ship nationwide. We ship nationwide now. So that's.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

That's awesome.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, Bring it right to your house.

[Lauren Cavalier]

But we still have a ton of customers. You know, the, you know, downstate as they stay, as they say up here. That's the majority of our customers. So we're always driving whole cows, quarter cows, small boxes of meat. We're always driving it.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

So do tallow.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I heard someone talking about.

[Dana Cavalier]

Let's talk about it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

So.

[Lauren Cavalier]

So the suet is the fat that the tallow comes from. So it's, it's the raw. It's the raw material. You get to, you know, make your own. There's no odor to it.

[Dana Cavalier]

It's super clean.

[Lauren Cavalier]

So you don't, you know, you could bottle it yourself.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I never Thought I'd be putting beef on my face before, but it's all I use now. His stuff is incredible. It's all I use.

[Dana Cavalier]

We'll definitely talk. For sure. That's the good stuff.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I'll connect you guys.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Sure.

[Dana Cavalier]

Beautiful.

[Rodney Williams]

Yeah.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Keep it clean. Right?

[Dana Cavalier]

That's it, man. Let's talk. For sure. I checked out your social media before the show today, and I saw you guys have a lot of fun over there doing the Thriller dance. Is that her?

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Me, I'm a dork.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Recently from a lot of liberals.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Right, Dana?

[Lauren Cavalier]

Yeah. You know, we take a lot of hits every week. You know, you learn when you stand for something that's different than other people, regardless of what it is, you can take a beating. So we, you know, we embrace it. But, you know, every week, whether it's the vegans or the liberals, you know, or the socialists, whatever it is, we're taking a hit every week from them. But again, forming a business that's a community based. I call it the. The mission. The sort of. The mission of meat that we're on. We have a great group of people that rally together and sort of defend our land, as you would say.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Well, we're thrilled and we're going to be ordering from you, and we hope all of our listeners will be ordering from you, too. We can't wait to get to that Freedom Fest next summer. We're going to go to commercial break in a minute. We're wrapping up the show, but thank you so much for being with us, and we're really excited that you're doing what you're doing right in our own backyard.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We are. Thank you, guys. We have you on our partner page. We'll have you back on again for sure.

[Dana Cavalier]

Cool. Awesome stuff, guys.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Thank you, guys. God bless.

[Lauren Cavalier]

Thank you.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Thank you. Thank you. It is. I know. I can't wait to go up there. I was.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Can't wait to eat their meat.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Yes. It looks incredible.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Bobby, you're gonna get there, too.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I saw the prime rib special. I was like, I need to have that.

[Dana Cavalier]

I saw on the website there you can. You can schedule a free visit to hang out with these guys, but you got to schedule it. You can't just.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We're scheduling. We're coming.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

We don't have to wait for Freedom Fest.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

We're coming.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, all right. You have any announcements?

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

I do. I'm gonna go off memory right now. So, fellas, if you're listening to me up there, what am I gonna do first? Tomorrow night. Tomorrow night. We have Greg Hack. We have the Greg Hack graphic. Greg Hack, my good, good friend. You saw him on here a few weeks ago. Veteran, one of the top attorneys in the country, running for Congressional District three in my district. I am so excited you can come tomorrow night, meet him, hear what he's gotta say, have a bite to eat. Also on December 6, we have the art exhibit with Scott Libado and a bunch of wonderful artists. David Benanguez, Chelsea Carroll, Nelson Medina. Who am I forgetting? Elaine Thompson and Kate Gancy. I think that's everyone. I hope there's a flyer. The next day we have the holiday shopping extravaganza. We are almost sold out. We have like one table left, so this whole entire room and the front is booked. Now we need the shoppers. So please, please, please screenshot this flyer, post it, share it, plan to come down and shop. Bobby will be here with his table. There'll be a lot of great stuff here. And I think that's all I put in there for today. Oh, And Kevin Downey Jr. Thank you guys. Always. KDJ, my man. His radio show, 103.9, Monday through Friday. He's awesome. He's here on Wednesday nights at 6 o'.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Clock.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

In fact, Greg Hack will be on his show before he has his event tomorrow night. So tune in for that. And. And that's it from me.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

All right, well, we're out of time, but we are going to pray anyway. Heavenly Father, we thank you for another week and the many opportunities you give us to serve you and your people. We thank you for our guests tonight. We thank you for the work that they're doing out in the world and all around the country. We are seeking your will for our lives. And we thank you. When people answer their call, please guide and guard them. As many have been aware that we have been living in a world that is very different than the one we once believed it to be. We ask that you show us the way and continue illuminate a path for us that you intend for us and our families. Forgive us for having fallen asleep for so long. Help us to return to our roots and raise those who seek to honor our natural bodies, minds and spirits in all areas. We know that you are the only way and that you are a way maker. And we trust you with all our hearts. In your name we pray.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Amen.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

And as always, keep your faith strong.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Your family close, and your freedom alive. And control them if you could put up Bobby's graphic. Free minds thrive as we roll out so people could see it.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Thanks for staying with us.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Thank you guys.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Good night everybody.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

God Bless you guys. Have a great night.

[Dana Cavalier]

Thank you.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

So good to have you with us. Bobby.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Thanks.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Natasha Owens]

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

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[Rodney Williams]

And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break podcast, a real conversation about finance. Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

I feel like sometimes being broke is a cycle and that we might have.

[Rodney Williams]

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[Rodney Williams]

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[Dana Cavalier]

Hello.

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Jim started advertising with iHeartRadio way back in April, and now I have customers out the door. And this is Sarah.

[Co-host / Sidekick (Patriots Podcast)]

Hi.

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She started putting a portion of her marketing dollars in podcasting back in June.

[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

Business is booming. That's why I'm working on a Saturday.

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[Host (Patriots Podcast)]

This is an iHeart podcast.