Episode Overview

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Program: The Patriettes Podcast – Episode 47
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Angie, Donna, Teresa, Julie Fehring (guest co-host, Soundview Pregnancy Services)
Special Guest: Seth Gruber (Founder, The White Rose Resistance)

Main Theme:
This lively and impassioned episode centers on the pro-life movement, the failures of the church to address abortion, the spiritual and cultural battle over life, and the hidden history of Planned Parenthood and abortion activism in America. Seth Gruber shares his personal journey, theological arguments, and insights from his documentary "The 1916 Project," which exposes the roots and development of the abortion industry and its cultural impact.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Seth Gruber’s Pro-Life Journey and Background

• Personal History ([05:20]):

  • Seth describes himself as a “former fetus,” emphasizing the humanity and continuity of life from conception.
  • Raised by a mother who directed a pregnancy resource center during his childhood.
  • Had a transformative experience scanning images of aborted fetuses for a high school project:

    "For two days straight, I'm looking at mutilated, dissected, emaciated baby parts... that was sort of the turning point for me." (Seth, [06:51])

• Conflict with Academia ([05:20]):

  • Criticizes “fake Christian colleges” that employ pro-abortion faculty and recounts being “banned” from his own:

    "I raised holy hell... and I’m still banned from that campus." (Seth [05:20])

2. The Church and the Abortion Issue

• Church Inaction ([09:05]):

  • Seth argues that the silence and cowardice of the modern American church regarding abortion is unprecedented:

    "What’s new relatively is the silence of the blood-bought Bride of Christ. That’s what’s relatively new... 1900 years of church history stands as an indictment against the last 100." (Seth, [09:05])

• Theological Foundations ([09:05–13:36]):

  • Asserts that Christians cannot be “pro-choice” without theological contradiction:

    “If you’re a pro-choice Christian, you’re committing a Christological heresy, and you’re probably not a Christian. Because… Christ was fully God and fully human from the moment of conception...” (Seth, [09:05])

  • Integrates scripture (John 1, Psalm 139, Jeremiah 1:5) and church traditions to argue for the sanctity of unborn life.

• Memorable Analogy ([09:05]):

  • Describes abortion as a “demonic parody of the Eucharist”:

    "Abortion says, 'You must die so I can live.' But Christ says, 'I must die so you can live.' Abortion is the demonic parody of the Eucharist. That’s why it uses the same holy words, 'This is my body,' but with the opposite, blasphemous meaning." (Seth, [25:00])

3. Strategy: Educating Churches and Pastors

• Julie Fehring describes widespread ignorance among churchgoers about abortion laws and facts ([18:47]).

• Sonograms as Education ([19:19]):

  • Using sonograms is an effective way to foster awareness and emotional connection for both mothers and pastors.

    “That's one of the best educations at all. And I think a lot of pastors need to come and see some sonograms to remind them, what are we fighting for?” (Julie, [19:26])

• How to Embolden Pastors ([19:45–27:20]):

  • Seth urges remembering the historic role of Christians in social transformation:

    “Whenever the Gospel was boldly preached and proclaimed, social transformation followed... We’ve just forgotten who we are.” (Seth, [19:45])

  • He criticizes Christian leaders’ attempts to remain “apolitical,” calling such attitudes cowardice:

    “You’re not strategic, Pastor; you’re not winsome, you’re not apolitical, you’re a coward.” (Seth, [26:05])

  • Practical Steps: Offers resources from the White Rose Resistance—documentary screenings, sermons, curriculum via their app ([27:19]).

4. The 1916 Project Documentary: Takeaways and Exposé

• Origins of Planned Parenthood ([37:27]):

  • Sanger’s role as Planned Parenthood’s founder, her law-breaking in NYC, and flight to England.
  • Details how Sanger and her organization targeted minorities and promoted eugenics.

• Margaret Sanger’s Eugenics ([40:47]):

  • Direct quote from Sanger:

    “Birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society and the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stocks... those human weeds...” (Margaret Sanger via Seth, [40:48])

• Connection to Nazi Germany ([41:53]):

  • Outlines how Sanger’s circle and American eugenicists influenced Nazi ideology and Hitler:

    "They based much of their eugenics legislation on pro-eugenics forced sterilization laws already on the books in America. They copied us." (Seth, [41:53])

• Invitation to Screening ([41:19]):

  “Any church in America can host a screening of this film right now by going to the1916project.com and bring it to your people.”

5. On-the-Ground Activism: The White Rose Resistance Model

• The White Rose Resistance includes both media/educational outreach and practical, local activism ([33:56]):

  • Mobilizing believers outside abortion clinics, “open air praise and worship activism.”
  • Taking on broader cultural issues, such as confronting drag queen story hours.

• Measuring Engagement:

  • Seth challenges listeners to measure their commitment to pro-life activism against historical injustices:

    “We all like to think we would have been Harriet Tubman abolitionists... The litmus test... is the degree to which you engage the greatest human rights violation of human history right now: abortion.” (Seth, [34:53])

6. Spiritual Warfare & Historical Perspective

• Abortion as a Modern Form of Child Sacrifice ([51:53]):

  • Connects abortion to ancient patterns of human sacrifice found in scripture and history:

    "It’s the issue that has defined God’s people throughout history, and it's the issue that defines us today... In Psalm 106, it says, 'You sacrificed your sons and daughters to demons...'" (Seth, [51:53])

• Personal Testimony of Spiritual Opposition ([54:01]):

  • Seth details the spiritual warfare encountered while filming in Germany, including his daughter’s medical emergency after visiting the grave of Sophie Scholl, namesake of his resistance group.

    “I get FaceTime from the back of an ambulance right after my wife thought our daughter was dead, hours after filming at the headstone and graveside of our daughter’s namesake... It felt as if the enemy was saying, 'You continue to make this film and you’ll be visiting your own Sophie’s graveside.'” (Seth, [58:01])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you’re a pro-choice Christian, you need to repent… You’re committing a Christological heresy.” (Seth, [09:05])
• “There’s no such thing as a potential human being. There are only actual human beings with great potential. That’s the science.” (Seth, [09:05])
• “Abortion is the demonic parody of the Eucharist. That’s why it uses the same holy words, ‘This is my body,’ but with the opposite, blasphemous meaning.” (Seth, [25:00])
• “The ignorance of the church is more dangerous for a culture than the decadence of the world.” ([19:45])
• “We all like to think we would have been Harriet Tubman abolitionists... The litmus test... is the degree to which you engage the greatest human rights violation of human history right now: abortion.” (Seth, [34:53])
• “They based much of their eugenics legislation... on pro-eugenics forced sterilization laws... already on the books in America. They copied us.” (Seth, [41:53])

Important Timestamps

• 05:20: Seth’s personal journey into pro-life activism
• 09:05: Theological arguments against “pro-choice Christianity” and critique of church silence
• 13:36: Scriptural grounding for the pro-life position
• 18:47–19:34: The problem of ignorance among church and steps for better education (sonograms, resources)
• 19:45–26:05: Rousing call to pastors; political/cultural engagement
• 27:19: Practical tools: White Rose Resistance app, sermons, curriculum
• 33:56: Overview of White Rose Resistance local activism and mission
• 37:27–44:19: Exposé of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and connection to eugenics and Nazi Germany
• 51:53–53:14: Spiritual dimension—child sacrifice in scripture, foundations of a just society
• 54:01–58:16: Spiritual warfare during the making of the documentary; personal family ordeal

Additional Highlights

• Julie discusses Soundview Pregnancy Services: the only pregnancy center on Long Island providing medical services, with 37 years of history ([44:44]).
• The group underscores the need for grace and healing for post-abortive men and women, not just condemnation.
• Seth and the hosts share family histories of pro-life activism and encourage listeners to “measure themselves” by their present engagement in the movement ([34:53], [59:48]).
• Closing prayer focuses on courage, compassion, and spiritual battle ([61:12]).

Summary

In this episode, Seth Gruber and the Patriettes offer a comprehensive, unapologetically bold exploration of abortion seen through the lens of faith, history, and activism. Seth’s arguments blend science, scripture, and history, while candidly indicting the church’s modern reticence to lead on life issues. The discussion exposes the insidious roots of the abortion industry in America and calls for a new, empowered groundswell of Christian resistance through education, bold preaching, and direct activism. The program is rich in personal stories, historical context, and practical advice, closing with a call to prayer and persistent action.