THE ROAD FORWARD - APRIL 5th, 2026

Summary

Real America’s Voice Podcast | THE ROAD FORWARD - APRIL 5, 2026

Host: Dr. Tim Clinton
Guests: Bishop Calvin Koberis, Ted Cunningham, Dr. Meg Meeker, Steve Robinson
Theme: Easter, Faith, and the Intersections of Spirituality, Culture, and Contemporary Life

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Episode Overview

This Easter edition of “The Road Forward” on Real America’s Voice is a heartfelt and wide-ranging discussion at the intersection of faith, family, and modern challenges. Host Dr. Tim Clinton welcomes a panel of Christian leaders and experts to reflect on the spiritual significance of Easter, the resurgence of faith in America, family life, mental health, and how the hope of the resurrection speaks to our deepest societal and personal needs.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Opening Reflections & Easter’s Core Message

[03:15-04:25, 04:25-07:33]

• Dr. Tim Clinton opens the episode by celebrating Easter as the “biggest day on the Christian calendar,” focusing on the resurrection of Jesus Christ as the cornerstone of Christian faith.
• Tim underscores the transformative meaning of Easter:
  — “Without the resurrection, there would be no Christianity.” (04:28)
  — Recites 1 Corinthians 15:3-6, emphasizing the historical and personal evidences of Jesus’ resurrection.
• Notes contemporary relevance: This Easter week, President Donald Trump hosted faith leaders, seen as a sign of “faith is back in America” and the importance of religious liberty.
• Sets the tone for the episode’s focus: hope, encouragement, and spiritual perspective amidst global instability and cultural turmoil.

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2. Interview with Bishop Calvin Koberis – The Power of Resurrection Faith

[07:42-17:14]

Personal Testimony and Call to Ministry

• Bishop Koberis shares his early conversion:
  — “I gave my life to Christ at the age of 5… and then he said, what would you like to do? I told him I want to preach. Everyone laughed, but my pastor took me under his wing… I was the youngest ever licensed minister in our denomination at 15 and a half years old.” (09:31)
• Explains why the resurrection matters personally and universally:
  — “The greatest witness of [Jesus’s] resurrection… is that he’s alive in my life today.” (11:47)

Experience in Israel & the Importance of Defending Faith

• Koberis reflects on visiting the Holy Land:
  — “Every time I go to Israel and I walk where Jesus walked… it reminds me that who I serve and who I follow is real.” (13:13)
  — Links personal faith with a commitment to support Israel.

On Religious Freedom and National Influence

• Clinton and Koberis discuss their participation in high-level national faith gatherings:
  — “We just want a country where we’re free to worship the God we love… There was a lot of honor toward Christ in that moment.” – Dr. Tim Clinton (14:06) — “I’m excited about President Trump being a man after God’s own heart enough to acknowledge his need for His presence… It was just an honor to be in that room.” – Bishop Koberis (15:04)

Call to Action for the American Church

• “Even in the most conflicting and dark times is when light needs to shine the most. The only good news is that not only did He die, not only did He rise, but soon He will return.” – Bishop Koberis (16:13)
• Clinton echoes with Romans 1:16: “For I am not ashamed of the gospel… the power of God unto salvation.”

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3. Interview with Ted Cunningham – Faith and Family Revival

[21:23-31:06]

Easter as a Weekly Celebration

• “I always remind people at the end of service that [Easter] is an every Sunday thing. We celebrate the resurrected Jesus every single week.” – Ted Cunningham (21:39)

The Spiritual Pulse of America

• Clinton notes the resurgence of faith, Bible sales, and church attendance, especially among young people.
• Cunningham shares:
  — “This revival breaking out is going to solve a lot of our marriage problems, our family problems, our economy problems. I see the Lord working in all these areas.” (22:32)
  — Cites research: 78% of couples who regularly attend church together are “very happy or extremely happy in their marriage.” (22:32)

The Heart of Easter and the Cross

• Cunningham reflects on the meaning of the cross and resurrection, referencing Spurgeon, Luther, and Jonathan Edwards:
  — “The cup is Jesus on the cross… Luther calls it the great exchange, where Jesus takes on the sins of man and he gives us his righteousness.” (23:39)

Religion vs. Relationship

• Explains what it means to walk in daily relationship with God:
  — “For me, a relationship with God is being in tune with His work in my life each and every day.” (25:13) — Describes a daily prayer practice: “Before my feet hit the floor, I empty myself and say, ‘Lord, fill me… lead me to people, lead people to me.’” (25:13)

Marriage, Comedy, and Hope

• On sustaining marriages:
  — “Jesus is your source; Satan is your enemy; your spouse is your companion. If you want to experience high levels of marital satisfaction, don’t confuse any of those three.” (27:58)
• Emphasizes intentionality in love:
  — “What was natural early on, you need to be intentional with later on… Do the right thing and feelings will follow.” (29:39) — “Love is more than a feeling, it’s a decision. Because there’s going to be times when you’re not feeling it, and that’s when you’ve got to lean on the decision.” (30:18)

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4. Interview with Dr. Meg Meeker – Faith, Parenting & the Next Generation

[35:37-43:19]

Family Traditions and Passing Down Faith

• Dr. Meeker shares personal family Easter practices and the importance of faith in creating resilient families:
  — “It’s so important that we come together… our kids always knew that Easter was extremely important to us.” (36:45) — Explains the tradition of empty Easter eggs representing the empty tomb: “We teach the kids that when you open up an egg that’s empty, it’s because the tomb was empty.” (38:11)

State of Children’s Mental Health

• Clinton raises concerns over youth mental health: “Our kids are really getting hammered… persistent sadness, even suicidality… This comparison culture. So much is there.” (38:11)
• Meeker observes:
  — “I’ve seen this escalation in both anxiety and depression, not just in teenagers, but in youngsters.”
  — “We’ve added a lot to their lives… but we’ve also, and more importantly, taken a lot away: time with family and time with parents.” (39:32) — “Even Christian parents, so caught up in making sure their kids get enough… allow their kids to leave God behind… This is an enormous mistake and we need to really reverse this.”

Discussion of “He Calls Me Daughter” Documentary

• Meeker discusses her recent work on a documentary about women healing from father wounds through a relationship with God:
  — “Many Christian women have a mental and spiritual block against relating to God because of his maleness… This movie helps break them free… and opens them up to the freedom of really experiencing deep intimacy and love with God.” (41:59)

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5. Interview with Steve Robinson – Leadership, Trauma, and Wholeness

[47:59-57:40]

National Revival & Young People

• Clinton and Robinson discuss the post-pandemic “stirring” in America:
  — “There is an unprecedented hunger for biblical truth… an unprecedented hunger for biblical truth.” – Steve Robinson (49:42) — “There’s a hunger. They’re bringing their Bibles… There is an unprecedented hunger for biblical truth… and I think it’s characteristic of what God’s doing in the earth.” (49:42)

Mental Health Crisis and Leadership

• Clinton: “We don’t have a mental health crisis. We have a mental health disaster.” (50:41)
• Robinson shares his personal experience with trauma and burnout as a pastor, particularly following Hurricane Katrina, and the path to healing:
  — “So much of the mental health crisis that we’re dealing with today is because of unprocessed trauma.” (52:31)
• Describes how leaders must process their pain to avoid breakdown:
  — “I began to unpack… the cumulative impact of trauma in my life and how it resulted in acute stress disorder… that began a journey for me of awareness.” (53:44)
• Key message:
  — “If you have any value for God, all hell will be against you… At the end of the day, what’s amazing here is you can learn to become resilient… Healthy leaders create healthy environments, healthy outcomes, and so much more.” – Dr. Clinton (55:44-56:54)
• Robinson’s book “Soul Leadership” (“Rebound from Crisis, Grow in Resilience, and Live from Wholeness”) aims to help leaders and anyone facing unprocessed life trauma.

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6. Closing Reflections and Invitation

[57:56–end]

• Clinton concludes with a brief, clear gospel invitation:
  — “What held Christ on the cross was you. He loves you. God wants to have a relationship with you…” (57:56) — Invites listeners to pray for salvation, recites Romans 10:9, and encourages them to find lasting meaning in Christ.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Bishop Calvin Koberis:
  — “While we were yet sinners, Christ died… he looks beyond the fault of humanity and says, ‘Father, forgive them…’” (11:47)

• Ted Cunningham:
  — “Jesus is your source, Satan is your enemy, your spouse is your companion. And if you want to experience high levels of marital satisfaction, don’t confuse any of those three.” (27:58) — “What was natural early on you need to be intentional with later on.” (29:39)

• Dr. Meg Meeker:
  — “Kids don’t need activities, they need time with us… We’ve taken faith away from our kids… And this is an enormous mistake.” (39:32) — “This movie helps break them free… and opens them up to the freedom of really experiencing deep intimacy and love with God.” (41:59)

• Steve Robinson:
  — “There is an unprecedented hunger for biblical truth… so much of the mental health crisis that we’re dealing with is because of unprocessed trauma.” (49:42, 52:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:15] – Introduction to Easter’s spiritual significance
• [07:42] – Start of interview with Bishop Calvin Koberis
• [21:23] – Interview with Ted Cunningham
• [35:37] – Interview with Dr. Meg Meeker
• [47:59] – Interview with Steve Robinson
• [57:56] – Closing gospel invitation

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Final Thoughts

This episode vividly reflects on the enduring relevance of Easter and the resurrection, boldly confronts today’s cultural and personal crises through a faith lens, and draws practical connections between spiritual health, family strength, and mental resilience. The panel of guests offers wisdom for both personal faith and cultural engagement, summed up in the recurring theme: now is the moment for bold faith, strong families, and engaged, resilient individuals.

“Faith is back. Something’s happening. There’s a stirring going on… But we’ve got work to do, and we don’t need people sitting on the sidelines.” – Dr. Tim Clinton

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Transcript

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to Real America's Voice. This is Sunday, the Road Forward. This week in the midst of all the insanity of modern day life, the world turns its attention to Easter and celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Happy Easter. He is risen. Stay with us as we discuss the intersection of faith, culture and everyday life. Word of hope and encouragement for you and those you love. With an incredible lineup. I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special guest joining us this week, he's lead pastor at New Life Church International, Plant City, Florida. Bishop Calvin Koberis is back with us. He's pastor and best selling author. Marriage and family expert Ted Cunningham is with us. She is one of the country's leading authorities on parenting, teens and children's health. Pediatrician, mother best selling author Dr. Meg Meeker is with us and he is founder and senior pastor of Church of the King, a growing multi site church with seven locations across the United States. Pastor Steve Robinson, thanks for watching.

[Ted Cunningham]

Oh come let us adore Him.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Oh come let us adore Him. Him, Christ the Lord

[Ted Cunningham]

for he alone is worthy.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

For he alone is worthy. Well, so much is happening in our world right now. What a moment to slow down and reflect on our great God. This week, Holy Week, culminating in today. Easter Sunday. More than 2 billion people around the world are commemorating and celebrating the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. You know, Easter is the biggest day on the Christian calendar. Without the resurrection, there would be no Christianity. Today we're going to ask and answer questions like did Jesus really die? Why did he have to die? How do we know that he rose from the dead? And what does it mean to each and every one of us? First Corinthians 15:3,6. It's known as the Resurrection chapter. It says, for I delivered unto you first of all that which I received. The Apostle Paul wrote how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures and that he was seen of Cephas and then of the twelve, and then he was seen of over five hundred brethren at once. Hey. This week, Holy Week, President Donald J. Trump hosted an Easter lunch with faith leaders from across the nation. Faith is back in America. God's moving. It was so encouraging to be a part of that, to celebrate again the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus at the White House. Again, he's risen. Be encouraged. Hey. It's also been a pretty wild week in America. Around the world negotiations with Iran. Is a deal imminent. President Donald J. Trump addressed the nation this week claiming that U.S. strategic goals in Iran are nearly achieved, promising future forceful strikes, but hoping we can get the some type of deal done and by the way, secure the Strait of Hormuz. One thing we can all do, pray for a peaceful and complete resolution. Here's a great verse to hold on to this week, this easter Sunday, Matthew 28:1 6. Now, after the Sabbath, on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. And behold, there was a great earthquake. For the angel of the Lord descended from heaven and came and rolled back the stone from the door and sat on it. His countenance was like lightning. His clothes were white as snow. And the guards shook for fear. And they began, almost became like dead men. But the angel answered and said to the woman, don't be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here. He is risen. As he said. Hold on. As we jump head first into our discussions here on Sunday, the road forward. I'm going to pray. We're going to get started. God be with us. Bless our time here. Use it for your glory. Thank you for how you're working in our everyday lives. God, lead us, help us to stay close to your heart. In Jesus name, Amen. Let's get started. Christ the Lord, for you alone is

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worthy, for he alone is worth.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Joining me now is Bishop Calvin Kobarus. He currently serves as lead pastor of New Life Church International in Plant City, Florida. Member of the National Faith Advisory Board, Strong voice for righteousness and culture. Bishop, welcome back. Happy Easter. Thank you for joining me.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Thank you for having me, Dr. Clinton.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey. Holy Week. Some 2 billion people around the world celebrating, commemorating the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus. Bishop, big time important date on the Christian calendar in particular. Bishop, we've talked a lot about the spiritual stirring in America and what's happening around the world. Just wanted to get some reflections on you as you approach this easter Sunday.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Well, Dr. Clinton, I call this weekend the Christian Super Bowl. And like any super bowl, you get prepared for the big weekend. And as we just reflect upon what Christ did for us, his birth, his life, and now as we celebrate, commemorate the death and resurrection, that's the epitome of salvation and how people get back to God. And I truly see an excitement about the things of God and God all around America today.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Bishop, you and I have had some personal conversations and I know you have a deep love for God. You know, a lot of people, they talk about God, they don't necessarily have a relationship with him. When you have a relationship with God, Bishop, it brings hope into your life. It brings purpose and meaning. There's something about what it means to be loved by God. Bishop, when did you come to know Christ and when did all that stuff kind of piece its way together? And in the midst of a lot of challenges, you have said to me many times you found him faithful.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Well, Dr. Clinton, I gave my life to Christ at the age of 5 years old. I remember going up to my home church altar telling my pastor, I want to be safe. And he prayed the prayer and led me through it. And then he said, what would you like to do in the church? I told him I want to preach. And everybody start laughing in the church. What's this little boy talking about? He wants to preach. But my pastor had a tear shared down his his eye. And he began to say to me, I'm going to raise this young man up and he's going to be a great voice in the nation one day. And I remember it clear as day, from that day, my pastor took one of his tutelage and he taught me the word of God himself. He allowed me to be a hands on student minister under him as my childhood. And then in that same home church, I was the the youngest ever licensed minister in our denomination at 15 and a half years old. And then he made me his assistant when I was 16 years of age. 16 year olds are getting licensed to drive. I was also getting licensed to preach and to help lead a 1600 member church. So it was at that very point when I gave my life to Jesus Christ that Jesus was letting me know that your life does not belong to you. Your life is mine. And I'm going to use the rest of your life to be an example of my love and my witness.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Wow. Bishop, this is the the week that people spend time in passages like Isaiah 53, how he was bruised for our iniquities and wounded for our transgressions. And by his stripes we are healed and so much more. And people often go back and maybe they watch the Passion of the Christmas, that movie, that film, and then begin to think and ask questions like, why did Jesus really have to die? And did he really die? And did he. Did he. Did he race from the dead? And. And why? And what is all the significance of that? Bishop, you know, just as a pastor, you preach the gospel. Paul said, I'm not ashamed of the gospel. And by the way, First Corinthians 15 is that great resurrection chapter. You know that how Christ, yes, is risen from the dead and he was seen by Cephas, by Peter and others. You know that. And all that becomes really important. What's the personal side of that, Bishop? Why? And what was it about? Is it because God simply loved me?

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Yes. While we were yet sinners, Christ died. Who in the world would die for someone who's already constantly rejecting them, already constantly saying that I don't exist. But yet he looks beyond the fault of humanity and says, father, forgive them, for they know not what they're doing, and he yet purposed to die so that he could draw us to him. And to make that personal is personal to me. Because yet, yes, we have evidence that Christ died by. Yeah, you go to his tomb, he's not there. And there are other scholars that have come with archeology and different things that, say, suggest that Christ rose from this place, etc. But the greatest witness of his resurrection, if Christ be not risen, everything that we do right now, according to Paul, would be in vain. This whole podcast, our witness, our gospel that we preach and the lives that we lead, and the idea that God has personally transformed my life and given me a heart to show people love and to bring people together so that they can experience his love, is even more personal witness of me knowing that Christ lived, died, and he rose again because he's alive in my life today.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Bishop, recently you went to Israel with over a thousand pastors. You were able to go to some special places. The. The empty tomb. So much more, Bishop, as you were over there and you experienced that. What, what. What did it do inside of you?

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Every time I go to Israel and I walk where Jesus walk, I stood where Jesus stood. And I began to try to visualize in that moment what Jesus was feeling and experiencing at that moment and what the people there that were witnessing that. It reminds me that who I serve and who I follow is real. Because when you look at the evidence of scripture and you make it applicable to how we live today and see how we experience and get through the conflict of the world that we live in. It's a reminder of the constant of who Jesus is in my life. His love and being on that soil reminds me of that. It gives me more confidence in that, and that's why I defend Israel so much, because if you love God and you love His Word, you have to defend his people, and that's what it's all about. So that trip is always a surreal moment for me.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Bishop, this week, you and I were together in Washington, D.C. we serve as a part of a commission, really, around faith, Faith Advisory Board, religious leaders from all over the country. Franklin Graham Jensen, Franklin Jonathan Falwell. So many people were there a lot of dignitaries in the room. We were at the invitation of President Donald J. Trump in the faith office, led by Paula White, Jenny Corn, so many others. But it's this message that we're committed to, that we just want a country where we're free to worship the God we love, the God we serve. And, Bishop, it was. It was pretty momentous. Seriously. Even the President, and we were grateful for the invitation. Of course we're going to come and pray with the president. Of course we're going to quote, you know, serve and pray for our nation and so much more. But really, there was a lot of honor toward Christ in that moment. Just your thoughts.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Live in a time where the President of the United States, his opening statements would be Jesus and him crucified. I am just excited about that, and I'm excited about President Trump being a man after God's own heart, enough to acknowledge his existence and to acknowledge his need for his presence in his life right now. And to hear basically, President Trump give a homily about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It was just an honor to be in that room and an honor to be a part of this significant time in America.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Yeah. People like Dr. Robert Jeffress and Ralph Reed and so many others praying, earnestly, contending. I mean, these are tumultuous times. Yeah, There's a lot going on in the world, and we. We don't need less God. We need more God.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Yes.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

More than ever. And I'm so encouraged by all of that. Bishop, just closing thoughts from you. It seems like faith is back. Something's really happening. There's a stirring going on. But we've got work to do, Bishop, and we don't need people sitting on the sidelines. We need engagement. We need people standing up, showing up Speaking up, getting it done.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

I agree. I mean, I believe faith is back. And I believe that God has given the finest hour now for his church, that even in the most conflicting and dark times is the time where light needs to shine the most. And I believe that the church needs to take her proper place in this moment and lift up the name of Jesus Christ, lift up the hope that only comes through Jesus Christ, and continue to speak and share the gospel. Because the only good news is that not only did he die, not only did he get up, not only did he ascend, but soon he will return to change all of this and there will be no more conflict because we'll live for him. We live with him forever and ever and ever.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Bishop, as you were talking, I was thinking about the words of the Apostle Paul in Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel. Yes, for it is the dunamis, the power of God unto salvation to all that believe. Bishop, what a delight to have a friendship together and to serve the Lord together. Thank you so much for taking time out. Happy Easter. Blessings to you, my friend. Thank you for joining me.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Thank you.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

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[Ted Cunningham]

Always good to be with you, Tim.

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TED, Happy Easter to you. He is risen. He is risen indeed. Ted, your church this weekend, tell us about how you're preparing and what you plan to be preaching this Easter Sunday.

[Ted Cunningham]

Obviously, it's a big Sunday. This is probably going to be we usually run about 3,000 people. I'm assuming we'll have 4, 4,500 this weekend. And I always remind people at the end of service that this is an every Sunday thing. We celebrate the resurrected Jesus every single week.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

TED if you look across the country, people are everybody's talking about how faith is back in America. Bible sales are through the roof. It's interesting. Today's generations seem to be turning to God like never before. They're showing up, too, at church. I mean, they're asking a lot of hard questions. People are saying, I want God in my life. You're seeing college campuses, revivals happening all over the country, Ted. You know, you're out there beating the street, if you will. You speak all over the country. You're in churches everywhere. What's your sense? What's your feel about all of it?

[Ted Cunningham]

Well, it's part of the message that gets lost a little bit. I love the research out of the Institute of Family studies that says 78% of couples who regularly attend church together report that they're very happy or extremely happy in their marriage. I see this revival breaking out as going to solve a lot of our marriage problems, our family problems, our work problems, our economy problems. I see the Lord working in all these areas. I can feel it in counseling and in coaching. And I work with couples not just around the country, but here at our church in Branson.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

TED, I think an estimated 2 billion people around the world are commemorating and celebrating the the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus here on Resurrection Sunday. It's also a time where people talk a little bit more openly about their faith. They begin to ask maybe questions like why did Jesus come? Why did he have to die? Did he really die? Is the rapture, Is the resurrection true? Just some thoughts or reflections from you. I know you serve people every day and I know you face those kind of questions constantly.

[Ted Cunningham]

Yeah, I I always coming to Good Friday each Holy Week, I think of the words of Jonathan Edwards, who Charles Spurgeon used the same idea that the unconverted man is hanging over the mouth of hell by but a thread. We're all deserving of wrath. But this is the cup that Jesus is talking about when he prays for it to be removed, but says, but it's not my will, but the Father's will, and I'm going to follow it. When Peter takes off the ear, Jesus looks at him and says, shall I not drink from this cup? And the cup is is Jesus on the cross at that point where he says, says, my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? That many talk about the suffering of Jesus being the most intense part, but it was that temporary separation from the Father that Martin Luther calls the great exchange, where Jesus takes on the sins of man and he gives us his righteousness. And then we get to Easter, and this is the message we proclaim Sunday, that if you will confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he has been raised from the dead, you will be saved. And that's the message of Easter that we celebrate every year.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

TED Some people struggle with the difference between what religion is, and people often say that Christianity is not a religion, really, it's a relationship. And what does it mean to have a relationship with God? I mean, just in its simplest terms.

[Ted Cunningham]

Yeah, So I every day when I get up, I I before my feet hit the floor, I do what Adrian Rogers taught us to do. I take my hands like this, I empty myself, I turn my hands like this and say, lord, fill me. I don't know what's going to come about today. I have plans for today. I have a schedule for today. But in my walk with you, lead me to people, lead people to me. As I walk with you, let me share the good news of the gospel with others. And for me, a relationship with God is being in tune with his work in my life each and every day, walking with him, knowing that his plans for me are far greater. And I want to I'm more of the spontaneous type personality anyway, but my wife gives me a hard time all the time when she's at the cars. We come out of a restaurant, a store, and I'm still in the parking lot talking to some tourist I've met from Minnesota. Right. I I I just, I always picture Jesus walking along the way with the disciples and, and try to have that image in my head each and every day as well, like I am walking with the Lord. Who knows what's going to happen today? Who knows what he's going to call me to do? But I want to be sensitive to his leading in my life and TED

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

in this journey of life, knowing that God is there and that he loves you, that he had a plan, really, what held Christ on the cross. We talk about Good Friday and what happened on Good Friday was you. It was you and me, Ted. It was all about us. And it's an expression of the love of God, because the Bible is really a story of a sacred romance. It's the love of God toward us. And so that in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. You're right, he paid our debt in full. And so as a result, that relationship is everything. Ted, you also traveled the country really trying to strengthen marital relationships. And I know you, you're in the Love and Laughter tour. You bring a lot of comedy into and levity into events that probably are a little tough because I don't think people like showing up necessarily, because all you're getting is the elbow in the deal. That's you, that's us. We don't have a healthy marriage. But nevertheless, Ted, in the midst of it, while you break down those barriers, get people laughing about maybe some of their life journey and the insanity of all of it, ultimately there's this connectedness piece that brings us back in this wiring that says, my relationship with God profoundly influences my love and my everyday experience with you as my lover and my friend.

[Ted Cunningham]

Tim I start every event now the same way I start every counseling session. I don't know how you start counseling sessions, but I usually ask for what their goals are, like our time today at the end, what are you hoping to get out of it? But I say these same three things now at the beginning of every event and every session. Jesus is your source, Satan is your enemy, your spouse is your companion. And if you want to experience high levels of marital satisfaction, don't confuse any of those three. Don't treat your spouse like the source. Your marriage has an enemy, make no mistake. It's just not your spouse. And that's what I I love the word picture that we have. Martin Luther said God could have taken a bone from Adam's head, implying women would rule over men, or a bone from his foot, implying men would rule over women. But I love the beautiful word picture of a bone from his side, this mutual respect equality. But I love this word picture, and I picture it every day in my marriage with Amy. I'm walking side by side with her through the grind of life, through the toilsome labor, through difficult seasons and stages, and I refuse to turn her into my source or to make her the enemy.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Ted, I know they're they're books, volumes of books and all kinds of events. Talking about the culprits, the little foxes that spoil our love and relationships. I want, I want you to talk a little bit about repair and hope, Ted, as we go, we're fighting the clock a little bit. But yeah, I mean, a lot of people think, you know what, we just aren't, we aren't made for each other. Hey, we all hit the, hit the wall, if you will, in our relationships. And we've all been staring up at the ceiling wondering, what in the world have I done maybe, or what's, what's happened to us? Ted, Talk to us about the repair side, the hope side.

[Ted Cunningham]

What was natural early on you need to be intentional with later on. And this is why a couple married two, three years, they're like, why this worked when we were first dating. This the same thing I say, the same thing I do. This brought us together.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

This works.

[Ted Cunningham]

Why is it no longer working? Why? Because the seasons and stages of life change us. Bills change you. Jobs change you.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Children.

[Ted Cunningham]

Children will suck the very life right out of you. Right. I mean, all of this changes us. One friend of mine in ministry says over the course of your marriage, you're going to be married to five to seven different people. So as your spouse changes.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Makes sense.

[Ted Cunningham]

Yeah, you just be intentional. And Tim, you know this. My passion for Ecclesiastes 9:9. Enjoy life with your wife. I rarely, you'll rarely hear me say marriage is hard, it's difficult, it's painful. I remind people marriage requires you to be intentional because it was like breathing early on in early romantic relationship formation. The sparks, the tingles. But after you've been married 10, 20, 30, 40 years, you have to be intentional. And we know this. Do the right thing and feelings will follow. And that's why I also don't say love is a decision, not a feeling. I say love is more than a feeling, it's a decision. Because there's going to be plenty of times you're not feeling it. And that's when you got to lean on the decision.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Happy Easter to you and Amy. Ted, always great to see you, my friend. Thank you for joining me.

[Ted Cunningham]

Love you, Tim. Thanks for having me.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey, happy Easter to you and your family. You know, Meg, family traditions. My dad, who was a pastor, he loved Easter weekend. We made a big deal out of it. He, you know, we had Easter baskets and everything else. And Meg, we always had a big Easter dinner and we sat down together as a family. This idea of faith in families, it's so important that we come together. Meg, you've been doing this, you've been having these conversations for a long time. Just your reflections on Easter and maybe faith and how it should impact our families and strengthen our hearts and homes.

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Well, Easter is my favorite holiday and I think it's my husband's favorite holiday as well. Easter is the one time, aside from Christmas, when all of our kids get together, it's very interesting. It isn't for birthdays, but Easter is a big deal for us. Lent is a big deal. We spend a Lot of time in prayer, reflecting. And so our kids always knew that Easter was extremely important to us. We are very solid in our Christian faith. My husband talks to our kids a lot about scripture and teaching and what Jesus has done in his life. And I've tried to do the same thing. But we do. Easter is a big deal where we all come together. We have a lovely meal. Of course, we do the egg hunts. Sometimes we leave a few of the eggs empty because when you open up, when the kids. We teach the kids that when you open up an egg that's empty, it's because the tomb was empty. And so we emphasize that, you know, in the tomb, there isn't always a jelly bean or a dime. You know, often it's empty because it reminds us that Christ emptied the tomb for us. So it's a very joyful holiday for us. And all day we all walk around going, he is risen. And then the response is, he's risen and risen all day long with anybody in the house.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Meg, I think I'm gonna add that empty Easter egg thing to our Easter egg hunt on Sunday. Yes, yes, that'll be. That'll be awesome. Meg, you know, in the midst of all this, you have, through the years, been a strong voice, advocate for that relationship between a parent and a child. Yes. Dads and moms and kids. And that relationship is everything. It really affects the trajectory of kids. There's so much. And parenting isn't for cowards, as Dr. Dobson taught both of us through the years. And we stand with him on all that. But, you know, May is Mental Health Awareness Month. We're coming out with a brand new program on spiritual and psychological first aid for youth. But I was just thinking, you know, our kids are really getting hammered, decimated. You know, this online world is just. It's targeting our kids, our. Our daughters and our granddaughters in particular. I mean, they're suffering from persistent sadness, even suicidality as a result of all of it. This. This comparison culture. So much is there. Meg, talk to us about the anxiety, the depression, even the suicidality you're seeing, even in your pediatric, you know, care. And some reflections on what maybe we should be doing to help save our kids.

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You know, it's a great concern of mine, and I've been doing this long enough to have seen this escalation in both anxiety and depression, not just in teenagers, but in youngsters. 10, 9 years of age. We've. Our culture's added a lot to our kids, a lot of challenges. Social media, they get auditorily and Visually bombarded every day with messages and ideas and so many things. And yet. So we've added a lot to their lives, which is bad, but we've also, and more importantly, taken a lot away time with family. Kids don't spend enough time with their parents face to face. Parents are busy, kids are busy. We farm them out to a lot of activities. They don't need activities, they need time with us. Because it's really the parents who develop their identity and their character. So if you take time away from parents for kids, you empty them out. We've also taken faith away from our kids. Not intentionally, but even Christian parents now are so caught up in making sure that their kids get enough experience with the sports and the arts and extracurricular activities that even those who have a strong faith believe God behind and allow their kids to leave God behind and launch into things that they feel are important for the kids to keep up with their peers. And this is an enormous mistake and we need to really reverse this. So it's really the combination of adding a lot of bad stuff and noise to our kids lives that causes them anxiety and depression and loneliness. But we've also taken away the various things that counteract all of those things. And that's time with parents. Real solid relational time.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey, before you go, I know you were part of a documentary that released here in, in the month of March of this year. He Calls Me Daughter. It was really a documentary, faith based documentary exploring how women heal from absent or broken earthly father relationships, finding identity and healing through the relationship with God as a loving father. Meg, special piece of work. Unbelievable. It's such a big issue out there. You had a very significant, significant part in all this. Talk to us about that real quick.

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I think that the, the, the difficulty that many Christian women have in relating to God and Christ is his maleness. And they can't articulate it. They don't want to articulate it because it makes them look like they don't have a strong faith. But those women who've been deeply wounded by a father or a brother during their growing up years have a mental and a spiritual block against relating to God because of his maleness. And he's very clear he's the father. So how do we do with that? I am so thrilled that this movie came out and was developed because in my experience I see thousands of Christian women who really struggle with a deep, intimate relationship with God the Father because of their history with their own fathers. So it helps break them free from the pain they carry from their own fathers, but also opens them up to the freedom of really experiencing deep intimacy and love with God.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Well, it's not at the box office right now, but it is up on streaming, right? So you can is it up streaming on angel or something right now?

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Powerful tool, brings a lot of help and healing to the lives of women who again have been on that journey. Dr. Meg Meeker, always great to have you. Thank you so much for joining me.

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But we've got the peace of mind part covered. Joining us now is Steve Robinson. He serves as founder and senior pastor of Church of the King at Growing multi site church, seven locations across the southern United States. Steve, welcome. Thank you for joining me.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

And Tim, so excited to be with you guys.

[Bishop Calvin Koberis]

Yeah.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey, we're looking forward to this. Yeah. Happy Easter to you, your family. Talk to us about Church of the King and what's happening this weekend and you know, how you prepare for really the exaltation of the Christ, the Messiah.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

You know, this is obviously a big weekend for the church globally and the body of Christ. And you know, as a pastor, you have to gear up because we, we preach a whole bunch of services at all of our locations and you know, I think spiritually speaking, it really is a moment where we get to do two things. Number one, we celebrate the Passover. What Christ has done by dying on the cross for us. I loved him in my Easter message I always include it is finished and he is risen together because the resurrection is so tied into the death of Jesus on the cross. And it really is the victory. One of the things I realized years ago is a lot of Christians, man, we are grateful, we're forgiven, but we don't realize that the power of the risen Christ is on the inside of us as believers. And so, man, this is, this is probably my favorite weekend of the year. So I'm looking forward to it. And I'm rested up too. I'm rested up.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

There you go. A lot of people are saying that faith is back, faith is back in America. There's such a stirring that seems to be going across the land. Bible sales are up. We're seeing revivals on college campuses. Steve, what do you hear from everyday people? Where are they? What's in their hearts?

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

Yeah, I think, Tim, when people came out of COVID particularly the younger generation, there was such confusion, there was such a lack of clarity and unknowns. And people are looking for something solid, looking for something strong and in the Holy Spirit. I believe that revival tide is rising. We in our own church, our youth and our young adults, we've seen a surgeon record attendance. And you're hearing it all over the world. In England, we're hearing about the silent revival and college campuses here in the United States. And I really believe that God is doing something unique among young people. There's a hunger. They're bringing their Bibles. Even kids that look at it on their phones are like bringing physical Bibles. I remember when I got saved in the 80s, man, we'd bring our Bible to church and they're bringing their notebooks. There is an unprecedented hunger for biblical truth. We're seeing it in Our church, and I think it's just characteristic of what God's doing in the earth. We're glad to be part of it. As an older person, I just don't want to mess it up, man. I want to see these younger people flowing, what God's got going on.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

So, Steve, everybody knows, too, though. We've got a real brokenness in culture, especially with our kids soaring rates of anxiety, depression, even suicidality. The CDC came up with a report that said 57% of our daughters and granddaughters were persistently sad. The CDC also reported up to 30% of her daughters and granddaughters had seriously contemplated suicide. The brokenness is profound. We're in a mess. We don't have a mental health crisis. We have a mental health disaster. And, Steve, it's also showing up, you know, across the board, seriously. And even in leadership. Steve, that's kind of a niche of yours. God's called you to something special. But you've written a very personal book. It's profound. I love it. It's called Soul Leadership. Rebound from Crisis, Grow in Resilience, and Live from Wholeness. Steve, talk to us about the message in this book and the timing of it, because I think this all comes together as we talk about the church and faith and culture. Yeah.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

You know, Tim, I really. I wrote this book. It was really an intersection of three parts in my life. Number one, my own personal trauma story, both prior to pastoring and then in the pastorate. And I think that's a silent problem with so many leaders that experiencing trauma, they don't know what it is. They don't know how to get out of it, how do they navigate it. And the mental health crisis that I personally experience, too. Walking with leaders, like you said, just pastoring, people, walking with leaders. And the fallout, the moral fallout, all the levels that we see, and the unprocessed pain and trauma that people have. And three, I did my dissertation a number of years ago under a friend of yours, Dr. Coach Tom Mullins, who we all love.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

I saw Tom this week. Yeah, we were hugging on each other.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

He's amazing. And so he was my doctoral mentor. And I remember sitting down with him one day, and he said, steve, why don't you write on? You have a passion for leadership, but in trauma and your own story and how you walk with so many leaders. And so, Tim, really, Soul Leadership was my doctoral dissertation, and I was speaking at the Bible Museum, and John Maxwell, who's a mentor of mine, and I know that we'll talk a little bit about John. But he said, steve, this needs to be a book. We want to help you do it for the popular leadership audience. And there is a crisis, Tim. There's a mental health crisis. And I talk about a statistic in there, the high percentage. So much of the mental health crisis that we're dealing with today is because of unprocessed trauma. And so I dove right into it, into this book with soul leadership, Steve.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

In it, you unpacked trauma and identified what, some 93 plus percent of leaders have trauma in their. In their journey. By the way, your past isn't your past if it's still affecting your present.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

Yeah.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You know what I'm saying? And so in the midst of that, Steve, take us back. You said it was personal too. What starts happening when we carry our pain, our unresolved pain.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

Yeah. I tell you what happened with me. I. Our church exploded in growth for the first six years from 1999, 2005. Then we went through a little storm. I'm speaking a little bit sarcastically, a big storm. Hurricane Katrina. I didn't realize. I know now, Tim, what I didn't know then, but the PTSD and what it is and how it affects the brain. I ran for one year on adrenaline in relief recovery, helping people. My own house was affected. My own personal things were affected, but yet I was doing what leaders do, high adrenaline, running on it. And then in 2008, we lost half the church. Then 2008, we went into a big, ambitious building campaign. People had come back, big $40 million building campaign. The financial crisis took place. The loan was pulled. 2010, I'm preaching one Sunday, and it's like, my gosh, this is what happens when people, they have a breakdown. And I literally preaching, I thought, I can't do this anymore. And I remember walking to the side, telling our executive pastor between service, I said, man, I'm done. There's nothing immoral. I'm not any ethical lapse. I just, I was emotionally done. They sent me, our elders sent me to a counselor in another state. I guess I didn't want anybody to know, you know, where I was living, you know, I don't know. But good men. My wife was a strong support in that time. And I began to unpack, and that counselor began to unpack. The cumulative, the five year cumulative impact of trauma in my life and how it have resulted really, in acute stress disorder diagnosis at the time, and PTSD as well after that. And so it's kind of. I didn't realize it, Tim. I do now know how Many leaders are dealing with unprocessed trauma again. That began a journey for me of awareness, symptomology, what's going on. And all of that became the passion for this book, Soul Leadership.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Steve, I've always believed this. If you have any value for God, all hell will be against you. If your marriage has any value for God, all hell is going to be against you. If your kids have any value for God, all hell is going to be against you. Seriously. And this is a throwdown. We're in a battle. Paul said. We're in a fight. We're in a war. At the end of the day, what's amazing here is you can learn to become resilient.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

That's right.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You can learn about these neural pathways and develop healthy brain running, if you will. And in ways that absolutely change and rewire everything about you and how you approach life. And so much more, by the way, impacting your relationships, everyone around you. That's why leaders, man, this is, this is so powerful. I can see why John Maxwell is consumed with it because it makes sense. It just does. Healthy leaders create healthy environments, healthy outcomes, and so much more. Steve, we, we're at that place here where how do people learn more about you? And possibly I got this book sitting on my desk right here. But how can they get a copy of something like this? And we're going to learn more about you.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

Yeah, they can go to steverobinson.com and of course you can order that book anywhere books are sold. Amazon and we'd love to be able to. Also did an audiobook as well. I read it. It took me about two or three days to go through it. I had a lot of re edits and going back and back and forth and so super excited about it, Tim. Super excited to help some people.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

The books Exploding Soul Leadership Rebound from Crisis, Growing Resilience. Live from wholeness. Dr. Steve Robinson. Yeah, you need to get a copy of this. Steve, We've got to have you back. We've got to spend some time together unpacking, resilience and post traumatic growth. That area of research is profound and I think it's going to take the church by storm. Hey, what a delight to have you. Happy Easter, my friend. Thank you for joining me.

[Cancer Patient/Testimonial Speaker]

Thank you, Tim.

[Ted Cunningham]

Oh, come let us adore him oh,

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

come let us adore him Christ the

[Ted Cunningham]

Lord

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

for he alone is worthy for he alone is worthy. In closing, let me say this. What held Christ on the cross was you. He loves you. God wants to have a relationship with you. That's really what the Bible's all about. Therefore, the most important question in life is simply this. What do you think of Christ? How you answer that question is everything. Whether or not you'll spend eternity in heaven with him or in hell. John 3:16 says, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him would not perish but have everlasting life. And I love what the apostle Paul wrote in Romans 8:32, he who spared not his own son, how shall he not with him from freely give us all things? You know, the Bible also says this in Hebrews 11:6. So those who come to God must first believe that he is and that he's a rewarder of those who diligently seek him. On this Easter Sunday, if you've never said yes to Jesus, why don't you do that right now? I want to invite you to know him and to accept him into your life. The Bible says, whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. You know you could do that right now. You simply pray this prayer after me, right where you are. Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. I believe you died for my sins. I want to turn from my ways and invite you to come into my heart, my life. I want to trust you and follow you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you for loving me, for giving your life for me. Thank you for forgiveness and the gift of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen. You know what the Bible says? Romans 10:9. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, the Bible says this, you will be saved. Best thing you can do right now, if you prayed, that prayer is go serve him for the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength to do it. Happy Easter, everyone. He has risen. I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching. See you next week right here on Sunday, the road forward on Real America's Voice, Made by God and coffee God. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.