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NMLS 696891 welcome into Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward. Stay with us as we discuss the intersection of faith, culture and everyday life. As always, a word of hope and encouragement for you and those you love, especially in these challenging times. I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special guest joining this week he's lead Pastor of Pathways Church in Mobile, Alabama. Pastor Travis Johnson is with us. He's the founder and Chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. Ralph Reed is with us. She's a best selling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidi St. John is back with us and she is a clinical and forensic psychologist, Trauma and addictions expert, Dr. Shawna Anderson. Thanks for watching. My fear doesn't stand to chance when.
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Ralph Reed
I stand in your love.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
My fear doesn't stand stand a chance when I stand in your love. My fear. Growing concerns of anti Semitism in the nation of Israel continue to be in the news. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and an Israeli delegation met with a group of evangelicals in Palm beach recently, working to solidify their relationship and to deal with the concerns of anti Semitism, especially among today's generations. You know what the Bible says? The Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Waste, fraud and abuse in America Found by Elon Musk and Doge that Department of Government efficiency over the past year has really stunned the nation. But what's happening in Minnesota right now is shocking the nation. Widespread fraud is unbelievable. It was exposed by a young man named Nick Shirley. He blew it wide open. We're talking about an estimated $9 billion basically stealing American taxpayers money. Democratic Governor Tim Walsh is in trouble. There are massive calls for his resignation. He in fact pulled out of the race for reelection as governor. He will not seek a third term and this will be his last year as governor of Minnesota. President Trump is looking at sending I think 2,000 agents to Minneapolis. Tom Holman, border czar, says they're launching catch this, the largest operation ever there in Minnesota. And now it seems like the fraud investigation is going to go coast to coast. Elon Musk told us, following recently, over 230 million of them, that the fraud in California, New York and Illinois is far greater than what was happening in Minnesota, if you can believe that. This new year, all eyes also locked in on Venezuela. The capture of Nicolas Maduro and his wife. A flawless operation by the finest military in the world. Maduro and Marxist dictators now locked up awaiting trial and they're celebrating in Venezuela. What's amazing to me is how the radical Dems, they're taking the bad guy side. When the President removed the corrupt Marxist dictator again who was working directly with drug cartels to poison American citizens, Democrats defended the dictator and accused Trump of committing impeachable offenses. Stephen A. Smith, you see him on espn, said this. If you got a bounty on his head and the Biden administration had a bounty on his head, once you get him, that's not something to be complaining about. I agree. Hey, in times like these, our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's a great verse from the Bible to hold on to this week. It's a reminder that how much we need each other. First Thessalonians, chapter 5, verse 11. It says this. Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as in fact you are doing. Hey, I'm going to pray. We're going to get started. God be with us. Bless our program today. Use it for your glory. Thank you for your steadfast love, your grace in our lives. In Jesus name, amen. Let's get started. For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow Dr. Tim Klin on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life. Joining us now is Travis Johnson. Travis is lead pastor of Pathway Church in Mobile, Alabama. He also is CEO of People for Care and Learning and founder of BioTree Change a Life. He's a strong and faithful member of the National Faith Advisory Board, a voice for such a time as this. Pastor Travis, thank you for joining me.
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Pastor Travis Johnson
Thank you, Dr. Clinton. It's always so good to be with you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Travis. We get started, you and I have had a lot of conversations about this anti Semitism issue that's been happening really around the globe, but was strong on college campuses here in the country. There's now kind of some growing division inside the conservative movement. Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and others. It's, it's icky. You hear what I'm saying? And there's conversation about replacement theology or whatever. Can you bring some clarity to us about what's going on?
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Pastor Travis Johnson
You know, I think when I see Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, those kinds of voices, these are voices that we've loved and enjoyed. And so actually what it feels like is they're turning in on the historic victory from President Trump and the base that put him in the off it put him in office. So when I see this issue and what's happening with a lot of it is a direct attack on evangelicals over just what you said, replacement theology saying that Israel has been uprooted and gentile Christians have replaced them. This is clearly not what scripture says. We're grafted in. God still favors and has chosen Israel. He has a plan for Israel. Of course, we are saved by Jesus Christ and Christ alone. But this does not give license to some pseudo fake Christians to become anti Semite. So that's been very difficult to see. It's one thing to see this happening on Columbia University campus, Ivy League schools with their ready made protest in a box the day after October 7th. Right. We've seen that. We understand that. But to see this on the right is terrible. It's got to be denounced. It's no problem for me. I'm really disappointed in Tucker Carlson. Candace Owens, have no problem distancing myself from that because it has no place not only in Christian faith, but it has no place in a conservative party. It's not conservative to be anti Semitic. I'm Going to read a passage really quick, Jeremiah 31, 36. Listen to this. I don't even know how you refute this. The Lord says, I am as likely to reject my people, Israel, as I am to abolish the laws of nature. God will cancel gravity first before he separates from Israel.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Travis, a lot of evangelical pastors are galvanizing together on this very issue. Pastor Jack Graham, Pastor Jensen, Franklin, a host of others are standing strong. Pastor well, Franklin Graham, all friends of ours. In the midst of it, Travis, something significant happened in Palm beach. Top of the New year. President I'm sorry, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in that part of the country, decided he wanted to host a meeting with evangelicals and that took place down at the Four Seasons Hotel there in Palm Beach. It was very moving. Travis, you were one of many who were in the room, as was I. But just some reflections on that time together.
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Pastor Travis Johnson
Know, it was great. I appreciated your words that you shared with the prime Minister and I, I also enjoyed piggybacking off of that. We had some really good conversation in the room. And of course what prime minister said was, was so good. I'm, I'm really thankful for him. You know, one reason I'm thankful is because, you know, Europe has fallen to this Islamic expansionism and we see Michigan, Minnesota is a complete rolling dumpster fire of fraud from, from a lot of this stuff. And look, New York City has fallen. But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel, they're not bowing to it, they're fighting, which they should. When you haul off children and wives, spouses into hostage situations, the worst kind of violence taking place and you ought to, you ought to be able to live in peace. And so I'm thankful that they have stood, they're the only bulwark against Islamic radicalism, terrorism in the Middle east, period. And so that's such a blessing to us. And so being there with Prime Minister Netanyahu was really great. In fact, I'm going to be able to be with the ambassador of Israel this next week in Auburn. I'm looking forward to that and just very appreciative of the relationship between evangelicals, clear voiced evangelical Christians in America and between Israel.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
This comes on the heels of a trip that was taken by what, a thousand evangelical leaders over to Israel in early December. And Travis, it sounded like they're going to do two more trips of some 3,000 more pastors in particular and students are going to take a massive group of students to Israel. What's the goal?
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Pastor Travis Johnson
Well, I think one Thing is, you know, what David says, what I see with my eyes affects my heart. And so we've got a lot of people influenced by TikTok prophets and prognosticators. They really are not connected to church. They're, you know, running around with these, you know, statements and slogans they make but is not founded in reality both geopolitically or biblically. So going to see what's actually happening is really helpful. For instance, while I was there I was talking with some of the Israeli police, some of the special forces police, basically like the swat and one of the officers gave me his patch. So that was this really wonderful moment there. His name was Omran, which means he was probably Druze or Islamic or Arab. Israel is not an apartheid state. And so this runs counter to the narrative that is out there from the left and you know, from some on the woke. Right. So I think that's what this is, is a connecting together so that we can understand each other, see one another and then represent this both biblically and geopolitically being informed. I was never giving and I've seen no one ever being given a talking point. It's just go and see. And I think that's going to be a real benefit to our country and also to Israel.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Some of the conversation in the room with the prime minister also revolved around today's generations that the real battleground is for their minds, their souls on this very issue. Some of the thoughts are takeaways around that dialogue that took place.
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Pastor Travis Johnson
Yeah, absolutely. You know, Gen Z is a powerful generation. It's exciting to see what God's doing in them. They're buying more Bibles right now than anyone else, any other group. They're attending church with greater frequency than anybody else. So there's a real revival we're experiencing here in our church. But I want you to think if you're an 18 year old gen Z, you know, young man, where were you? How old were you? What were you thinking about on October 7th when that attack took you took place? I mean you may not have even been 16 years old. You're in a different headspace altogether. In fact, I've sat had sit downs with some of these really great young people. They did not even know that October 7th happened. And so this is a really great thing to be done to engage this, this generation. I'm excited about that, thankful for it. And let me tell you, they are the future of the church in the future of America. And there's some really great strong young boys.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
You're Going to win or lose the war 100%.
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Pastor Travis Johnson
If we do, we cannot disengage. We have be engaged.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
We want to salute the vision of Mike Evans, jstrack and others who helping. Yeah, just doing amazing work in this particular area. Travis, I want to go to the. The president of peace. Yeah, the President Trump. You stand back and take a look at what's happened over the first 1112 months here. And we know we got a State of the Union address coming up. I'm sure he'll pack that baby up big time. But just some reflections on his efforts of peace through strength, using tariffs at the same time, jumping in the middle of messes and bringing resolve. One of those was in Africa. And Travis, you were directly tied to it. Can you address that?
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Pastor Travis Johnson
You know, it feels like a very interesting moment in time for me. You know, we've been heavily involved in Cambodia for decades and then we've been involved in Congo for some time. In fact, we've been praying for peace in Congo for five years here at Pathway Church. And so to see President Trump effectively getting involved in both Congo and Cambodia has been a tremendous blessing. And he really is, he is a peace president. And let me tell you, you don't find peace by wishing it, by hoping for it, by saying sweet things. You have to have strength. And the United States is strong again. And we are seeing peace again. You know, we're seeing it in Venezuela right now. Let me also tell you, growing up in Miami, I can't. I remember my friends growing up, you know, 16% non Hispanic, Caucasian, almost everybody was Cuban, Latino. When Fidel Castro fell and broke his arm, the Cuban diaspora, they were playing Fidel Castro falling in slow motion, forward and backward, on loop. And immediately people went out into the streets with pots and pans, celebrating like the Florida Marlins had just won the World Series. And this is the same thing that's happening in Miami and wherever peace loving Latinos are. Because regardless of what Mom, Donnie, regardless of what the woke pink haired liberals in New York says, let me tell you, if you have lived under socialism, communism, you are celebrating right now. All of Miami is celebrating because of what's happened in Venezuela, because people have a yearning to be free.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Pastor Travis Johnson, always great to have you, my friend. Thank you for joining me.
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Pastor Travis Johnson
Incredible. Thank you, Dr. Clinton.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Now is conservative political activist Ralph Reed. He's the founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. He's authored several bestselling books. His columns have appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, National Review, and many more. Ralph, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.
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Ralph Reed
Thank you, Tim. Good to be with you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
2026, Ralph. This is the big midterms year. I know it's important to you. A lot of people are concerned about him. Just your take on where you think we're at and what we might need to be thinking about and doing.
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Ralph Reed
Well, I think we all know the history of this, Tim. You know, it historically, the, the, the midterm for the party that holds the White House is historically very challenging. You know, in 2018, the last time President Trump went into a midterm, The Republicans lost 40 seats in the House. They did actually, by the way, gain, I think it was two Senate seats net. So they did much better on the Senate side. They had a really good map. You know, Obama lost 63 seats. Clinton lost 52 seats. There have only been two times in the last century when a party controlling the White House gained seats in the midterm after they won the presidency.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Wow.
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Ralph Reed
One of Those was in 1934 during the Great Depression under Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And I wasn't around for that one, by the way, but, but I was around for the other one, Tim, which was in 2002. I was chairman of the Georgia Republican Party and I was on the political team of George W. Bush when he became the first president since Franklin Roosevelt to win House seats in the first midterm. And he became the first president since the Civil War to gain control of the US Senate in a midterm after winning the White House. So I know it can be done. The good news is, as these redistricting battles have played out, it looks like the Republicans are going to be up roughly five to eight seats over the 2024 baseline because of the maps that were drawn in places like Texas and North Carolina and elsewhere. Obviously, the left has fought back with their maps and places like California, but again, the net's going to be plus 5 to 8. The Senate map doesn't really allow for a lot of movement, Tim, for either party. There's probably really only one Republican held seat that is in serious danger today, and that's the open tomtilla seat in North Carolina. The most vulnerable Democrats are going to be in Georgia and in Michigan, Wisconsin, you know, maybe one other state. So there's not a big Senate map. So the best thing that I could say to you and your viewers is I think this is going to be very Hard fought. It's going to be no quarter given. It's going to be, you know, you walk to the middle of the ring and you just, you just throw punches. And I think it's a jump ball in the house. I really do. I think it's plus or minus a handful of seats as to who's going to control the house.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Ralph, a lot of people are saying you better focus in on the economy. President Trump, make sure you bring that thing home. And he's got us no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, overtime. I think the Republican passed the, the, the, the party past that working.
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Ralph Reed
The short answer is I can't tell you today, but the best bet is there's going to need to be more work done. I mean, what we're dealing with here, Tim, is a situation where we know these policies work. They're already working. The price of gas, which hit north of $5 a gallon under Joe Biden, is now under $3 and heading for 250 nationally and it's lower in many states. That's a really big deal for a lot of families. It's between a thousand and fifteen hundred dollars in additional take home pay a year just through those lower gas prices. And that'll ripple throughout the economy. You look at the second and third quarter gross domestic product numbers, they are way beyond what economists were predicting. 3.8% growth in the second quarter, 4.3% growth in the third quarter. That second number, by the way, Tim, is double what Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and all the big smart economists and banks were predicting. And the fact is that as was true under Reagan, as was true under Trump in the first term, it's true again. You adopt the right policies of sound money, you, you cut taxes, you roll back burdensome job killing regulations, you unleash the energy sector of the United States and not only drill, baby, drill, but frack, baby, frack, sure. And what ends up happening is the economy is going to explode. What we don't know yet, Tim, is exactly when will it explode? And when will inflation, which is already trickling down, get down into that 1 1/2 to 2% range like it was in Trump's first term. If that happens by the third quarter of next year, which is what Scott Bessant, the Secretary of treasury, tells me confidently is going to happen, then, then we're going to have a very good story to tell. Last thing real quickly. You can't leave the health care issue to the Democrats. They're going to demagogue these premium increases under Obamacare to death. They're going to do everything they can to capitalize on the health care issue. And the reality is the reason why health care premiums are up and the reason why health care costs are up is because of the failure of Obamacare. The Affordable Care act has become the Unaffordable Care Act. So we have to A, tell that story and tell it well and then B, we have to have some kind of a Republican plan and solution on health care that includes individual policies, catastrophic care, bring premiums down. And by the way, Tim, I'm sure this is one that's right up your alley. Health cost share ministries. Right now we discriminate against Christians who pull together and share their health care costs and, and bring down costs and premiums. The Republicans should end that discrimination against the faith community in a healthcare bill and they should do it before the elections.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
God be with us, Ralph. That's all I can say. Hey, I love having these conversations with you. Thank you so much for joining me. Coming up next, she is a bestselling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidi St. John is back with us. For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow Dr. Tim Klen on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life. Join us now is Heidi St. John. She's the best selling author, podcaster, speaker, mom to seven children, a lot of grandchildren, strong and fearless voice for the family and righteousness and culture. Heidi, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.
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Heidi St. John
Hey, my friend, great to see you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
As we get started, Heidi, Waste, fraud and abuse. You go back to President Trump taking office and he partners up with Elon Musk and they create that Doge office, Department of Government Efficiency. I think the nation was shocked when they started uncovering what really was going on. We heard stories all about it. But Heidi, it is shocking. Now go to fast forward to where we are right now in this hour. Look what's happening in Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh. What a mess. We're talking about $9 billion possibly here uncovered by a young man, Nick Shirley, who blows this thing up. And man, oh, man, what a mess we've got going on. Heidi.
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Heidi St. John
Yeah, it's amazing. Well, and also we finally got to see good journalism. I thought that was the job of journalists, was to uncover waste and fraud and abuse. But the Democrats are screaming for this kid to be silenced. It's amazing what we see coming out of the left in this country right now. I'm thrilled. I mean, I'm absolutely here for it. This is what I voted for. I see now that Tim Walls is being forced to withdraw his bid for reelection. Let's go. I mean, it is absolutely time.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah, it's blowing up on him up there. Massive calls for his resignation, et cetera. Heidi, at the end of the day, we're talking about stealing money from American taxpayers. This is garbage. This is unbelievable. This kind of stuff would go on. Here's what's shocking to me. They're now saying that the massive scale of this across the country in other states like California, Governor Newsom, is even bigger than what's going on in Minnesota. Tom Holman, acting border czar, said, hey, we're coming with everything we got. I know that President Trump said, let's put 2,000 ICE agents up there. Things are happening in Minnesota. I think this is going to be a massive scandal for a long time.
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Heidi St. John
Yeah, I think so, too. I was meeting a couple of days ago with a sitting state senator here in Washington state and a state representative who are telling me that they believe that when the federal government turns its attention to Washington State, we will be the second state in terms of the abuse of the Somalis here. We've got the second largest population of Somalis in Washington state, and they are uncovering the same, same kind of fraud and abuse here in Washington state. I think you're going to find it's a cancer that's metastasized to states across the country.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Howie, the shocking piece, to me, I guess it really isn't, but the radical Dems are taking the bad guy's side. I mean, I just. I can't even imagine what in the world's going on here. And what I'm talking about is not just Walton and what's happening there, but you look at Venezuela and what's going on. This guy is. He was. He was unbelievable as a dictator down there, and what happened to the people in Venezuela and all the corruption that was taking place, and President Trump's trying to stop all this drug insanity coming into our country, killing our kids in our bedroom communities and more. Shut that stuff down. He shuts it down. By the way, Joe Biden had a. Basically a bounty on this guy's head. You hear what I'm saying? For. I think it was 25 million or something like that. Crazy numbers, Heidi. This gets done, and the people in this country, the radical Dems, are what, siding with him, man. They're. They're, they're coming against the President for doing this. What in the world's wrong with us?
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Heidi St. John
Well, we've lost our way spiritually in the country, and when we. When you lose your moral compass, you always choose the side of chaos. And that's what we see is happening in the Democrat Party. They've lost their moral compass. I would say they lost their moral compass probably decades ago when they started promoting abortion up to the moment of birth. But what we see is evil. This is a spiritual problem, and you and I have talked about this before. Spiritual problems require spiritual solutions. We need revival in this nation. We need to start talking about subjective truth versus objective truth in our country again. And I wrote a post about this a couple of days ago and it reminds me very much of the Jews screaming for the release of Barabbas. Remember when Pilate came out in front of the people and said, what do you want me to do? And they screamed for the release of a murderer. This guy Barabbas was not unknown to the Jews. They knew who he was. They knew the evil that was in his heart. The people in the Democrat Party know the evil of Nicolas Maduro. They know that the Venezuelans are starving to death. They know that Nicolas Maduro is pushing drugs. He's a narco terrorist pushing drugs and machine guns and weapons into our country. They know all these things and yet they're screaming for the release of Barabbas. This is a speech, spiritual depravity, depravity that we see playing out in Democrat held cities all across the country. And the only way it will stop is for people of conscience and people, especially people who know the Lord, to involve themselves in our political system and begin to vote and make their voices heard again.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Heidi, if you go into Venezuela, people are rejoicing at what President Trump has done. You go into places like Miami, you can see the people rejoicing. This is a big deal. And in Washington, there's some, there's some good people up there. They're standing strong. But man, we've got to pray that God would lead and direct in all this. Done. Heidi. In the midst of it, some said, yeah, probably some other interesting dynamics happening out of Venezuela. You're talking about mineral rich oil people talking about a possible oil boom. Now people are also talking about Dominion voting machines and that there might be a little information that might slide back into our country about what was taking place. I guess there are probably some interesting dynamics that could surface here.
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Heidi St. John
Yeah, I think so too. We've had problems with Dominion voting machines here in Washington state for a long time. And I think we have a moment right now and we better seize the day. We have a moment to uncover this waste, this Fraud, this abuse, this misuse of our free and fair elections here in the United States. And we've got a moment that we need to grasp right now because the midterms are coming up. I think this is really important for people to understand. If we sit the midterms out and the Democrats take control of the House of Representatives and of the Senate, they will make, they will do everything they can. We're going to start to see impeachment proceedings again against President Trump. They will do everything they can to make him a lame duck president. We need to wake up, recognize what time it is politically, and engage, engage, engage. We can't sit it out or just pretend that this is only up to the president and the current administration. It's actually up to the American people. And I'm hoping that they read the political clock and understand what time it is.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Mobilizing people who typically do sit up midterm elections is pretty tough thing to do, Heidi. They feel comfortable. We've got President Trump. Everything's going great. I don't need to, I don't need to go ahead and do that. But, Heidi, it's serious. I mean, there's some real concern in Washington. Typically, what does happen is that it goes the wrong way in this situation. So we've got to, we've got to get after it. I'm going to go a little bit further. The peace president, that's what they're calling President Trump now. Everybody's dubbing him as, that he operates with peace through strength. We talked a little bit about tariffs and how he's really building cash reserves. And at the end of the day, if you go back to the midterm elections, people are going to evaluate a lot of it based on the economy, where things are. President's trying to make some serious moves. You know, no tax on tips, Social Security, whatever. Is it going to be enough? And where's this thing going to drive us to in the moment? If you, if you step back and Heidi, there have been some really good moves you're beginning to see. While there's concern about Islam, look at what's happening in Iran this week. It looks like that potentially is going to collapse over there. So when you rip the foundations out from underneath this insanity, you know it starts cracking.
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Heidi St. John
Yeah, well, you know, what President Trump is doing, I think the net result around the world is he's emboldening people to say, stand up for yourself. The United States has not stood up for itself. The United States been typically historically a beacon of hope for free people. For people to be free around the world. And under Barack Obama and under Joe Biden, we have lost that legacy and Trump is beginning to restore it again. And it is giving hope to people around the world. This is why I think you see people being brave enough. I watched the news yesterday, but the Iranian regime is brutal and they are killing people there now. And those executions are starting to ramp up. It takes courage to stand up in the face of such tyranny. And President Trump is, I think, signaling to the world, a, he means business and B, you guys can take your country back if you'll stand for freedom and stand up against these dictators. What a time to be alive. I mean, honestly, it's amazing, Heidi.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
I know there's continuing rising fear. People in our bedroom communities really are concerned about that open border mess and the resulting factor of having terrorists all through our country and that some incident's going to happen and scare the American people to death, etc, you know, and then they're seeing this anti Semitism continue to pop its head up all over the place. They're wondering if Islam's taking over the country. Hearing people talk about that a lot, you're seeing Muslim brotherhoods show up everywhere. How do you. How do you calm yourself in the midst of that? What helps bring that kind of peace of God that surpasses all understanding?
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Heidi St. John
I think we need to remember at the end of the day that we're not responsible for how the world events play out on the stage, that we, our responsibility is to pray and to walk in obedience. God honors obedience. And that starts in the small places of our hearts. Right? It starts with every one of us every day saying, lord, help me to be in your word and so that I can be guided by this lamp from the Holy Spirit to my feet and a light to my path. That is what helps us to stay grounded. Because we've read to the end of the book, we know how this thing plays out. We know that God's will and his way will prevail in the end. And God's people have historically been on the receiving end of suffering since the time of Jesus. And God gives us what we need when we need it, and he will give it to us. I think what Corey Ten Boom said probably sums it up best. She said, when we worry we are borrowing strength from tomorrow, it just empties today of its strength and we need to not do that. And so God doesn't call us to be a people of fear. I love telling women that fear is a spirit. This is why the apostle Paul told Timothy, God didn't give you a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. Fear is not an emotion. It's a spirit. And through the power of Jesus Christ, we can have authority over it. That's where God's people need to rest.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Heidi St. John, always great to have you. Thank you for joining me.
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Heidi St. John
Thanks for having me.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Coming up next, and she is a clinical and forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert. Dr. Shawna Anderson. For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow Dr. Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life. Joining us now is Dr. Shanae Anderson. She's a licensed clinical psychologist, trauma and addiction specialist, noted speaker, co director of the ethics and advocacy division of the American association of Christian counselors. Dr. Shanae, welcome. Thank you for joining me.
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Thank you so much for having me.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Shauna, I've looked forward to our conversation together. You know, we've had a lot of conversations about how difficult life has been over the past few years. Few years. A lot of people are overdosing on the brokenness. There's a lot of fear and trembling, if you will. Some people are filled with anxiety. They're constantly worrying about everything that's going to come their way, and it's easy to get lost in it. Shauna, I guess I want to ask you up front is what are you seeing and just what are some of your thoughts about how we're managing life?
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
I feel like when I come on your show, Tim, that I am a bit of a broken record. I think people are really, really hur hurting and really struggling. There doesn't seem to have been any kind of letup. I think it almost dates back to even before COVID Things have just been really hard and really dark. And I know for a lot of the patients I work with, the loss of Charlie Kirk really threw things into a tailspin. And the end of last year, people were just lost and confused and trying to reach out to Jesus through the holidays. But, but, but every time we turn around, it seems like, you know, there there's another traumatic event that happens or there's another thing that is dragging people down.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Some people are talking now about collective trauma like it's impacting everybody. And as a culture, we're spinning in the midst of it. Shauna, people are also noticing a lot of adverse impact with our children. As a matter of fact, they talk about adverse childhood experiences. Aces. And it connects back into the trauma world. Shaunae, can you explain a little bit about that and help us Maybe look at our children with a little bit of a different eye.
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Yes. Back in 1998, there was a groundbreaking study that looked at what we call ACEs, Adverse Childhood Experiences. And it's really looking at all of the different experiences that a child can experience before the age of 18. And they look at everything from different forms of child abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse, child neglect, child abandonment. It looks at parents that have issues with substance use, divorce, if there's domestic violence at home, if you have a parent that's incarcerated, there's a number of these experiences and what research has shown dating back to 1998 and continuing on to today. And it's not good that actually the number of individuals in our country who have experienced at least one adverse childhood experience is approximately, depending on the study, anywhere from 65 to 70% of the population. And if you're looking at those that have experienced 2 to 3 or even more than that, it's anywhere from maybe 25 to 20% of the population. And so a lot of young people in this country are being harmed and are being hurt and sadly at the hands of their parents. And what we are recognizing is not only that that is happening and how horrendous that is, but also we are really recognizing the long term, both psychological and physical, as well as spiritual, relational, social, long term, catastrophic effects that these early experiences can have on everybody.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Shauna I've always loved coaching kids, coach my son Zach, my daughter Megan through sports and had a lot of fun through the years. Kids are amazingly resilient, but they also do carry buckets of pain with them and it does affect their trajectory. You can see a lot of kids who get stunted, if you will, in life, or they get lost and angry and bitter. It doesn't take much to go to a playground and see the kids who don't have a dad, for example. You can see a kid when you look in their eyes, who've been screamed at their whole life. It just affects them. Sade, what are some of the signs and symptoms, I guess, that we should be thinking about, concerned about, especially if we're worried about our own children or maybe some kids that we minister to?
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Well, I think that there are a number of things because children respond very individually to adverse effects. There are some children that actually just biologically tend to be very resilient. And so some of this stuff can just kind of roll off their back.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Right.
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Especially if there's maybe only one ace or two aces. But there are some that may be temperamentally or genetically biologically that have certain sensitivities, that this type of stuff really will harm their developmental trajectory throughout their entire life. So I think certain things to look for are children that are beginning to act out behaviorally, children that are angry, children that are anxious, children that maybe are engaging in dramatic behaviors that sometimes we as parents get so frustrated with, but we're not recognizing that there's a reason underneath why children are acting that the way that they are. And so a lot of children, especially in this day and age of social media and isolation, so many children are hurting and they don't have any connection. So I think for a lot of children, and particularly teens, that self isolation struggles with friends and unwillingness to connect with friends. And I think the most dangerous are those that even at a very young age are experimenting with drugs and alcohol and pornography and that are struggling with suicidality and self harm. It's really not a safe time to be a child or an adolescent.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah, that thrill seeking behavior, but also that medicating, trying to hide or mask the pain of what I'm living in too. You know, the social media piece really does concern me. Kids are just lost on their phones and this algorithm stuff where they target kids. If kids are already living in some darkness, they're going to start getting fed that stuff constantly and it only takes them deeper and deeper. And a lot of moms and dads aren't even aware of what they're really getting lost in. It's insanity is what it really is all about. Shanae, we hear a lot about, you know, there's this concern about we're coddling our kids and allowing them to fester and that stuff versus this move to quote, create mentally tougher, mentally strong children. Help us balance this out. Because yeah, I want my kids to be resilient. I want my kids to be able to face adversity and press through it. I want them to be tough, but at the same time I want to make sure I understand where they're at, what they've gone through. So that stuff doesn't, quote, that snakehead, doesn't pop up and just devour them at the wrong time or they seek love or something in the arms of stupid stuff. And it's so easy to go there.
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Well, I think we have gone from two extremes. I think that the pendulum kind of started with not even acknowledging that child abuse even existed. And, and it really wasn't until kind of the 1980s and 90s that we really began to increase awareness that these adverse early childhood experiences are causing consequences that Actually treating a child poorly can have long term consequences. So I think what happened is we've kind of almost gone to the other extreme that we now are almost indulging and over parenting and trying to not do what our parents did to us. And what's happened is that we end up with a lot of overindulgence and children that don't know how to do hard things. I do think we are moving a little bit back to the middle, which I think is a very important place to be where it's about recognizing that children need attunement, they need protection, but they also need challenge. And that it is the responsibility of parents and other individuals that are in a child's life to set up different, like layers of scaffolding to help that child do difficult things so that they can grow. Because I think what happens is that we've given so much to our kids. I know when I was raising my son, every kid on the baseball or football team got a trophy and there wasn't really the incentive to really try and push yourself. And I think what's happening now, I watch my son and my daughter in law raise my grandchildren and they're always telling my granddaughter, you can do hard things and they don't jump in to rescue her. Which I think is so important because I still am from the old school of oh no, I don't want her to feel bad. But it's important if you're going to actually develop emotion regulation, it's a muscle. You need to learn how to tolerate difficult emotions in order to regulate them. And so I think parents are struggling with this balance between loving and supporting, but also pushing and having expectations.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Probably like to close this way. Shawn, at the end of the day in our lives, first as mom and dad, we can't give well what we don't do well. And do you do your work? Mom, dad, don't, don't let kids carry that stuff and don't let the rain get your kids wet, if you will. Make sense?
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Yes. I think these times are so tough right now that I think parents need to recognize that their children are watching them and they're watching how they are managing things. And if they're stuck on the phone and if they're stuck, you know, binge watching Netflix and they're not attuning to family. That's what the children are going to learn. Family needs quality together time.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah. Playtime. Always great to see you. Dr. Shawn A. Anderson, thank you for joining.
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Dr. Shawna Anderson
Thank you, Tim.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
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I hope you know also that you can look to God for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. But let me also say I've learned as a professional counselor that it's normal to have concern, maybe some fear or worry, especially when life's not the way it's supposed to be. But also know if you aren't careful, it can begin to consume you, control you. It's easy to lose perspective. Some feel like they've lost hope. It can get so bad for some, they may feel like life would be better off without them. I say this every week. You don't have to live like that. Simply taking a step, reaching out for help. It's often the gateway to a new day or a new you. And if you or someone you love is struggling, do that, reach out for help. There are wonderful counselors and pastors who care who can help you find the hope and the answers that you're looking for. There are also a lot of wonderful resources now. Love to connect you with some of those. You can find out more information up at our website@aacc.net if you'd like to find a Christian mental health leader in your area, hey, go to our new website. It's an incredible website. It's called ChristianCareConnect.com ChristianCareConnect.com if you don't have a relationship with God in Christ, you know what? You can do that right now by asking God to come into your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart to God's heart. Something like this. You can pray it after me. Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. I believe you died for my sins and I want to turn from them and invite you to come into my heart and my life. I want to trust and follow you as my Lord and Savior. God, thank you for loving me, for giving your son for me. Thank you for the gift of grace, forgiveness, the gift of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus's name. Amen. You know what I believe? I believe that if you prayed that prayer, you know what I believe? If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart, you know what the Bible says, John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. And In Romans, chapter 10, verse 9, it says this, that if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, the Bible says this. You will be saved. The best thing you can do if you pray that prayer is go and serve God for the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength to do it. Hey, if you're struggling with hopelessness, hope you'll pick up the phone. Call the suicide hotline 988. That's the national Suicide Prevention Lifeline. You can talk to someone right now. Hey, before we go, maybe God's gifted you with a heart to help other people. I hope you'll consider being a part of our mental health coach first responder training program. You can enroll right now. 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Heidi St. John
This is an I heart podcast.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Guaranteed human.