THE ROAD FORWARD - JAN. 17th, 2026

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – THE ROAD FORWARD (Jan. 17th, 2026)

Release Date: January 18, 2026
Host: Ryan Helfenbein (filling in for Dr. Tim Clinton)
Guests: Abby Johnson, Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus, Dr. William Lyle
Theme: “Sanctity of Life Sunday”—affirming the value of human life, state of the pro-life movement, church leadership, family integrity, and spiritual reflection on America’s moral and constitutional legacy.

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Episode Overview

This episode marks Sanctity of Life Sunday, a tradition since President Reagan’s 1984 proclamation, dedicated to recognizing the value and dignity of every human life from conception to natural death. The host and guests examine the current challenges in the pro-life movement, the cultural and legislative crossroads facing the nation, the spiritual calling of pastors and churches, and the state of the American family and society. The dialogue blends theological conviction, political analysis, and cultural critique—delivered through personal insight and direct calls to action.

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Key Segments, Insights, and Discussion Points

1. Opening Reflections on Sanctity of Life (02:13–05:00)

• Ryan Helfenbein honors Sanctity of Life Sunday with references to President Reagan’s inaugural proclamation (1984) and Dr. Seuss’s Horton Hears a Who:

  “A person is a person, no matter how small…Size doesn't determine worth, location doesn't determine personhood, and dependence doesn't diminish dignity.” (02:41)

• The sanctity of life is framed not solely as political or philosophical, but as a “theological conviction rooted in the character of God…we bear His image.” (03:22)

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2. Interview with Abby Johnson: The State of the Pro-Life Movement (05:00–19:58)

a. The Impact of Dobbs and Chemical Abortions (05:24–07:52)

• Hope Post-Dobbs: The overturn of Roe was celebrated, but Johnson describes how abortion providers were prepared years in advance and anticipated the legal change.

  “We had protocols ready and waiting for the turn of Roe...The abortion industry is always a step ahead. The enemy is always waiting. And they were waiting and ready for this.” (06:20)

• Rise of Chemical Abortions:

  “Late-term abortions are at a historically high level…now about a dozen states have ratified their state constitution to allow abortion up to the date of birth.” (07:18)

b. Challenges in the Pro-Life Approach and Inconsistency (08:34–14:19)

• Double Standards in Pro-Life Rhetoric:

  “We’ve said, ‘abortion is murder’...but we haven't actually been acting like it. And now we’re really in a conundrum.” (08:38)

• Discussion of how men using abortion pills to harm partners is consistently called murder by pro-life groups, but when women self-administer, the movement hesitates to apply the same standard:

  “It’s either a baby, and it’s murder all the time, or it’s not…But we can’t have this double standard.” (10:56)

• Call for Consistency and Tradition:

  “We are living a terrible inconsistency…our country is longing for tradition.” (12:48)
  “We don’t want conservative transgender people in our movement anymore. We don’t want conservative homosexuals…We want to have something to conserve.” (14:27)

c. Political Realities and Critique of Incrementalism (15:50–19:06)

• Louisiana and South Carolina Legislation: Major national pro-life organizations allegedly opposed state-level “equal protection amendments” that would have given full rights to the unborn, derailing strict anti-abortion bills.

  “It is Republicans that are killing these bills…We have the solution…but don’t want to end abortion. And that makes you wonder why.” (16:32–17:34)

• Skepticism of Regulation Efforts:

  “You cannot regulate dangerous drugs in this country…The only way we can handle it now is to deal with the consumerism of abortion.” (18:10)

• Fundraising Critique:

  “It is just a way to bring in dollars.” (19:06)

d. Final Words from Abby Johnson

• Direct listeners to her website for stories of former abortion workers: “If you want to go directly and hear stories directly from workers…abortionworker.com.” (19:42)

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3. Interview with Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus: MLK’s Legacy, Faith Leadership, and the State of American Culture (23:02–36:31)

a. On Pastoral Responsibility and the Sanctity of Life (23:22–24:28)

• Bishop Cabarrus: “This is not a political issue or agenda. This is a matter of integrity, morals, and God. Everything began with Him…” (23:50)
• Emphasizes Jeremiah 1:5: Life's value starts “at the very thought God had of us.”

b. Advancing 'America’s Dream' and MLK’s Principles (24:47–28:04)

• Announces event with Dr. Alveda King—centered on realizing and renewing Dr. King’s dream of respect, unity, and judgment “by the content of their character.”

  “Still, yet, the dream is a work in progress.” (24:50)

• Contrasts MLK’s advocacy of peaceful protest with “more lawlessness in protests than we do actually peaceful protests” today. (25:24)
• Challenges pulpits and leaders who “stir more division and hate than love.” (26:59)

c. Cultural Critique: BLM, Family, and Fatherhood (28:04–31:13)

• BLM Inc./Rainbow Agenda criticized for allegedly eroding the nuclear family and hijacking original civil rights causes:

  “It lost the fiber and the moral of the message…it created Marxism and chaos around America—tearing up cities…” (29:22)

• Call for Fathers: “If you want to see a home derailed…let a male be out of place…That's what the dream is all about…It’s time for men to get back in the lives of their children…” (30:24)

d. Faith Leadership and the Trump Administration (31:13–34:43)

• Discusses National Faith Advisory Board and close access to presidency, citing Trump’s “promise” and delivery of a White House faith office:

  “There’s been a blessing behind those closed doors because it has given me a platform to be an advocate...for America as a whole.” (32:15)

• On America’s 250th anniversary (2026):

  “We are not perfect, but we are blessed...remember the foundation that’s been established upon God.” (34:43)

• Invokes Frederick Douglass’s reading of constitutional principles as a source of eventual justice and equality.

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4. Interview with Dr. William Lyle (“The Pro Life Doc”): Medical, Biblical, and Spiritual Arguments for Life (38:29–53:06)

a. Origins and Status of the Pro-Life Fight (39:42–40:56)

• Dr. Lyle identifies abortion as fundamentally “a spiritual battle,” referencing Genesis 1:26:

  “This is an attack on the image of God in the womb out of a hatred for God.” (40:56)

• Urges pastors to lead on this front: “A spiritual battle should really be led by our pastors from their pulpits…” (41:13)
• Provides free video resources for church engagement in English, Spanish, French (41:45).

b. Scientific and Scriptural Harmony (42:44–46:45)

• Science and the Bible “are congruent—they affirm one another.”
• Incarnation Argument: God chose for Jesus to come “as an embryo,” equating the value of the preborn Jesus and the newborn Jesus:

  “God doesn’t see a difference between a baby in the womb and a baby in the manger…We are created in the image of God at the moment of our conception.” (45:38)

c. Consistency in Ethics and Political Engagement (46:45–48:54)

• Critiques clergy who support “pro choice” positions; reminds listeners of the historic Christian doctrine of the full humanity of Christ in the womb.
• Urges all believers and clergy to engage in political advocacy for the unborn, citing prophetic tradition and biblical examples (Moses, Daniel, John the Baptist).

d. Message of Forgiveness, Healing, & Christian Counseling (49:50–52:34)

• Recognizes that “about 18-24% of churchgoers” have personal abortion experiences.
• Emphasizes the need for counseling rooted in Christian forgiveness:

  “Healing comes from forgiveness. And true forgiveness only comes through the blood of Christ.” (49:54) “With a Christian counselor, they can say, God understands. The power of the gospel message is powerful enough to even bring healing and forgiveness after an abortion.” (51:22)

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5. Memorable Quotes & Moments

Abby Johnson

• “It’s either a baby, and it’s murder all the time, or it’s not…we can’t have this double standard in the pro-life movement.” (10:56)
• “We don’t want a big tent movement…We win the more conservative we become.” (14:27)

Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus

• “This is not a political issue or agenda. This is a matter of integrity, morals, and God.” (23:50)
• “If you want to see a home torn apart...let a male not be present in his children’s lives...It’s time for men to get back in the lives of their children…” (30:24)
• “Don’t say you’re keeping the dream alive if you’re reaping more chaos than compassion…” (27:41)

Dr. William Lyle

• “This is an attack on the image of God in the womb out of a hatred for God.” (40:56)
• “God’s original plan was for our Savior…to come to earth not as a man, not even as a baby, but as an embryo…God doesn’t see a difference between a baby in the womb and a baby in the manger.” (45:15)
• “Healing comes from forgiveness. And true forgiveness only comes through the blood of Christ.” (49:54)

Host, Ryan Helfenbein

• “Our biblical convictions, our biblical theology are intricately woven into our politics and to how we play the ethics out. And so if we’re going to be consistent biblically, we have to assume a pro-life stance.” (47:30)
• “Contained in the American dream…was always freedom. And we’re celebrating freedom today.” (36:05)

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Notable Timestamps

• Sanctity of Life Sunday context & scripture reading: 02:13–04:15
• Interview with Abby Johnson: 05:00–19:58
• Interview with Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus: 23:02–36:31
• Interview with Dr. William Lyle: 38:29–53:06
• Host’s closing thoughts & Bonhoeffer quote: 55:21–57:25

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Tone and Language

• The episode’s tone is earnest, urgent, and morally serious, laden with theological references, scripture citations, and impassioned rhetoric against abortion and cultural shifts in America.
• Guests and hosts speak with conviction and a strong sense of duty—both to faith and to their vision of the nation.

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Takeaways & Calls to Action

• For Pro-Life Advocates: Scrutinize inconsistencies, push for bolder legislative action, and focus on “consumerism of abortion” rather than technical regulation.
• For Churches and Pastors: Take active, public stances; lead congregations spiritually and politically in the life debate.
• For Individuals: Support local pregnancy centers, “pray for women in crisis,” advocate for protective laws, promote unity across lines of division, and extend grace and hope to those who have chosen abortion in the past.
• National Reflection: Celebrate and protect freedom; honor the nation’s foundational spiritual and civic ideals; continue to work towards the fulfillment of freedom and equality for all.

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Memorable Closing Quote

“The destruction of the embryo in the mother’s womb is a violation of the right to live which God has bestowed upon this nascent life...God certainly intended to create a human being and that this nascent human being has been deliberately deprived of his life. And that is nothing but murder.”
—Dietrich Bonhoeffer, cited by Ryan Helfenbein (55:21)

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[Ryan Helfenbein]

It's Sunday, January 18, 2026. Welcome to Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday, the road forward. Today is Sanctity of Life Sunday, a day set aside Sunday since President Reagan's proclamation in 1984 to affirm the inherent dignity and value of every human person from the moment of conception to natural death. And as many gather for worship on this day, I can't help but think of a simple line from Dr. Seuss's Horton Hears a who. A person is a person, no matter how small. It's a children's book, but it captures a truth that our culture desperately needs to rediscover. Size doesn't determine worth, location doesn't determine personhood, and dependence doesn't diminish dignity. A person is a person, whether they're nine months old, nine weeks old, or an embryo moments after conception. But this isn't just a philosophical position or a political stance. This is a theological conviction rooted in the character of God himself. We believe in the sanctity of human life because we believe in a Creator who forms each person with a purpose, who knows us before we're born, who declares that we bear his image. Our scripture reading today comes from Psalm 139, verses 13 and 14. For you formed my inward parts, you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works. My soul knows it very well. As always, we want to be an encouragement to our viewers to hold fast to the unchanging word of God as we stand for the sanctity of every life. I'm Ryan Helfenbein. I'm filling in for Dr. Tim Clinton. I'll be your host today.

[Abby Johnson]

Oh, come let us adore him oh, come let us adore Adore him Christ the Lord.

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[Ryan Helfenbein]

Joining us now is Abby Johnson. She is the founder of and Then There Were None, a ministry designed to assist abortion clinic workers in leaving the industry. She travels across the globe sharing her story and educating the public on pro life issues and advocating for the unborn. Abby, thank you for joining Sunday the Road Forward. It is so great to see you.

[Abby Johnson]

Thank you so much for having me on, Ryan.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Well, I, I look at the fact that this is the 53rd March for Life. Coming up, it's Sanctity of Life Sunday. Today. We have a lot of work to do to end abortion in this country. And it would seem like three, three and a half years ago we were very hopeful in Dobbs vs Jackson that all of a sudden we were going to make real inroads to ending abortion in the country. And now, Abby, you know this better than anyone you probably saw it coming. More abortions happening today as a result of chemical abortion. What's going on?

[Abby Johnson]

Yeah, it's really unfortunate, Ryan, and that's exactly what we've seen. I think there was, I think it was a myth that was spread that overturning Roe was going to be sort of the kiss of death for abortion in this country. But I can tell you that the abortion industry was waiting, they were ready for Roe to be overturned. In fact, I can tell you from my own experience that we had protocols in place when I worked in the abortion industry 16 years ago. We had protocols ready and waiting for the turn of Roe. We had protocols ready for surgical abortion facilities to be shut down. We had protocols ready for the Mifeprex pill to be banned for misoprostol only abortions. We have protocols ready for misoprostol abortions to be banned for an overdose of vitamin C, overdose of vitamin C regimen to induce abortion. So the abortion industry is always ready. It feels like we're always a step behind in the pro life movement. And so, you know, it's unsurprising to me that abortions are up in our country since Roe's been overturned. It's unsurprising to me that late term abortions are at a historically high level. It's unsurprising to me that we now have about a dozen states that have ratified their state constitution to allow abortion up until the date of birth. It's unsurprising because I worked in the abortion industry and I know that the abortion industry is always a step ahead, a step ahead. The enemy is always waiting. And they were waiting and, and ready for this.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

You know, it's, it's fascinating even this week in the Commonwealth of Virginia that process legislatively is going through so that they can permanently codify abortion all the way up to birth in the Virginia state constitution. And that would come up for a ballot measurement this next November. And just as we saw in Florida that it barely failed in Florida, proposition for Amendment 4, rather, it will probably pass in Virginia. It's very likely to pass. What do we do to win the hearts and minds of people on this issue? It seems like no matter where we go, even among so called conservatives, you have so many abortion minded people in this country.

[Abby Johnson]

Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's kind of an interesting thing. I mean, I think that the pro life movement for, for over 50 years has run around and said that abortion is murder, abortion is murder, abortion is murder. Killing an unborn Child is murder. And we've been saying it, but we haven't actually been acting like it. And now we're really in a conundrum. We are really in a precarious situation in the pro life movement because chemical abortion pills are on the rise. They are available in all 50 states. Over 70 websites in all 50 states allow the chemical abortion pill to be shipped directly, directly to your home and they'll send it to you for free. Actually, there are organizations that are paying for women, no matter their age, no matter if it's even a woman, men can have access to these chemical abortion pills. And so now we're really in a precarious situation, right? Because we have, and we've seen this happen several times now, particularly in states like Texas where supposedly abortion is illegal, but it's not. We have a higher rate of abortions now in the state of Texas now that it is illegal than we did when it was, when it was legal. We have situations where men are ordering chemical abortion pills and they are slipping it unknowing to the woman. They're slipping it into the drinks of their girlfriends, their wives, their partners, and they're killing their. These babies, right? They're murdering these babies. And we in the pro life movement say that is what, that is murder, right? That is murder. This woman there was murder committed against her child in her womb, right? And Texans say that is murder and that man should be charged with murder. However, if it's the same woman, the same baby, the same pills, the same drink, but the woman does it herself, the pro life movement says.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

We'Re not.

[Abby Johnson]

Going to charge her with murder. She's a victim. She's a victim of a society that has told her abortion is okay. And now we sound like a bunch of people who are pro choice because it is the pro choice movement who for decades has said abortion is acceptable if the mother decides a baby is only a baby if the mother decides the pregnancy is wanted. But if the mother decides the pregnancy is unwanted, then it's not a baby. And now we sound just like them. It's murder because the mother wanted the baby and the father slipped the pills into the drink and it was a wanted pregnancy, it was a wanted baby. And so because the guy did it and the baby was wanted, now it's murder. But if the woman takes the pills and she didn't want the baby and she took them herself, now it's not murder. And that can't be. It's either a baby and it's murder all of the time. Or it's not a baby, and it's not murder all of the time. But we can't have this double standard in the pro life movement. We cannot have this inconsistency. And right now in the pro life movement, we are living a terrible inconsistency. And so a lot of people will say that culture is downstream from politics. And I do believe that to be true. You know, some people say it's the other way, that politics is downstream from culture. I think it's probably a. It's probably both, but I. I believe wholeheartedly. And we see this in places that are sort of nominally conservative, nominally pro life. We saw this in Arizona. We've seen this in other places where the. The people that are getting elected are the most traditionally conservative. That is what our country wants. Look at the churches that are growing. The churches that are growing right now are not the ones that are nominally conservative. They're not the liberal churches. The liberal church is dying out. The churches that are growing, even I'm Catholic, Even when we look at the Catholic Church, what Catholic churches are growing? The Latin mass church, Traditional Latin mass churches. Right. The ones that are the most conservative, the ones that cling to tradition. What churches are growing in the evangelical movement, the ones that are most traditional, the ones that cling to the Bible, the ones that cling to scripture. Those are the ones that are growing, the Steven Furticks and those. They're out. Their churches are no longer growing like they used to be. Our country is longing for tradition. They're longing for a movement for a conservative party. This big tent MAGA movement. It's dwindling out. We don't want conservative, transgender people in our movement anymore.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Right, Right.

[Abby Johnson]

We don't want conservative homosexuals in our movement anymore. We want to actually be able to have something to conserve. That's who we are as conservatives. And so I would say to people who say, oh, well, we need this big tent movement. No, we don't, actually. We don't need a big tent movement. And that's not what the polls say. That's not what. That's not. In fact, I had a meeting one time several years ago when Trump was running for office, and I asked one of the Trump operatives, Michael Caputo, I said, when Trump moderates on abortion, when he starts saying things like, well, I'm never going to pass an abortion ban or I'm never going to regulate chemical abortions, do Trump's numbers go up? And you know what he told me, Ryan? He looked me right in the face. And he goes, no. In fact they go down. So why is he saying it? Why is he doing it? And that's what we're seeing across the country. We're not winning. When we moderate on issues like abortion, like traditional marriage, we lose. We win the more conservative we become. And so that's what I'm asking the pro life movement to do. Stop being incremental. That is not what wins and that's not what we want.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Yeah, well said. I think one of the things that, I mean, there was a bill, correct me if I'm wrong, in the state of Louisiana that was going to the legislator, legislature for consideration equal protection amendment, I believe in the state of Louisiana, which basically would have given full rights to an unborn baby. And if the mother then, if that got passed, if the mother then decided to take the pill or to kill that baby for whatever reason, whatever the motivating factors were, she then would be complicit in the murder of that child, deserving of equal protection. And there are many so called incremental organizations that enjoined in a letter to try and stop that from passing, correct?

[Abby Johnson]

That's correct. All of the big organizations that people give to Susan B. Anthony list, National Right to Life, Students for Life was on the list. All the big organizations that, that people give big money to, they were on the list and they are the reason that that bill did not get passed right now in South Carolina. I was just In South Carolina two days ago, they just introduced Bill 3537 and it, it got, it didn't even get a vote in the House committee. They just left it open and essentially just killed the bill. It was Republicans that killed the bill. It is Republicans. It is not Democrats. It is Republicans that are killing this bill, these bills. It is Republicans that are saying we actually don't want to end abortion. We have the solution to end abortion in this country, but we don't want to end abortion. And that makes you wonder why.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Sure, yeah.

[Dr. William Lyle]

Why?

[Abby Johnson]

Yeah, why don't you want to end abortion? Right. I mean, lobbying for abortion is a very lucrative business. You know, how do you continue to, to fund your organization if all of a sudden abortion is no longer an option? And what we're doing every time we pass these bills to, you know, regulate the chemical abortion pill, which is impossible by the way, if we could regulate dangerous drugs, we would have already eliminated fentanyl. Okay?

[Ryan Helfenbein]

That's right.

[Abby Johnson]

We can't regulate dangerous drugs in this country. We've already proven that we cannot do that. You cannot regulate dangerous drugs in this country. It's impossible. What are you going to do? Open up every FedEx package? We're going to start training dogs now to sniff out Mifaprex and misoprostol. It's not going to happen. Okay? The only way we can handle it now is to deal with the consumerism of abortion. That's how you handle it. You deal with the consumerism. That's where we are right now. All of these bills that are trying to get passed by all these different groups to regulate abortion, it is, it is for funding, it is for money. It is so that these organizations can say we're doing something for life. But really, at the end of the day, no lives are being saved. And I believe wholeheartedly it is just a way to bring in dollars.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Wow. Well, we have to leave it there. But let me just tell you, I am so thankful that you are on the front lines on this issue. I thank you for the clarity and the truth you shared this morning. And I will say this. This is one of those things where it's inconvenient for some to hear this and some don't want to hear this, but it's absolutely true. It needs to be said and I think more people need to understand the issues. Abby, thank you so much for standing for life. Thank you for the organization you're leading. And then there were none. Where can we find you?

[Abby Johnson]

Yeah, they can go to my website directly, Abby. J A b b y j.com or they can go to and that'll take you to our ministry websites. Or if you want to go directly and hear stories directly from workers who have left the industry, have minds change, and are now in a saving relationship with Jesus Christ, you can go to Abortion worker dot com.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Amen. Abby Johnson. We'll leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Abby Johnson]

Thank you.

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[Ryan Helfenbein]

Joining us now is Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus. He currently serves as a Lead Pastor of New Life Church International in Plant City, Florida. He is a member of the National Faith Advisory Board and a strong voice on righteousness and culture. Bishop, it's so good to see you. Thank you for Joining Sunday, the road Forward.

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

So good to see you as well. Thank you for having me.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Well, sir, I know many are gathered for worship all across our nation celebrating and regarding life. It is sanctity of life Sunday. It was actually President Ronald Reagan in 1984 that put in a proclamation and since then many pastors across the country have been preaching on life. How are you leading your congregation on this issue?

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

Well, thank you. This is a great question. Matter of fact, this particular weekend is one that I celebrate and I'm excited about because this is not a political, political issue or an agenda. This is a matter of integrity, morals and God. God, everything began with him and of course he formed life. And the Bible tells us in Jeremiah 1 and 5 that before he formed us in our mother's belly, he knew us. So that means that life began at the very thought that God had of us. And for us to come this weekend to celebrate and to equip people around this cause around celebrating and protecting the sanctity of life is so necessary in this hour today.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Yeah. Amen. I couldn't agree more. You this coming week are going to be gathered with with several other members of the national faith advisory, including Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King. Tell us about this event. What's going to happen there?

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

Well, on January 19th at 5:30 Eastern Standard Time, this virtual event is all about advancing America's dream. And what does that mean? Dr. King said, I have a dream and I believe that many parts of those dreams that he had has come to pass. But still, yet the dream is a work in progress. And I believe that this whole virtual event is all about taking the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King, elevating it in today's hour to expand it, to realize that we have to learn to walk hand in hand with all people groups, respecting those who are in power and authority, respecting our law enforcement. And even what Dr. King taught, even when we have protests as we see today, we see more lawlessness in protests than we do actually peaceful protests. And I believe that this event will bring us back to the focus of what this dream is all about. It's about respecting one another and judging people not by their color or their ethnic background, but by the content of their character. And coming back to highlighting that and teaching everybody that we should put aside our differences and find common ground so that we can unite and build from there and continue to make America the great nation that it is.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

You know, it's so fascinating to me and I look around this country and it seems like we're more divided than ever. And you see the utter disrespect for law enforcement, the complete lawlessness we see on the streets, whether it be in Minneapolis, Minnesota or Dearborn, Michigan, New York City, doesn't matter. It's everywhere across the country. This is not the kind of thing that Dr. Martin Luther King advocated for. He wanted peaceful protest. This was about lawful assembly. And the way that he did it, he was patience and long suffering. Today, the agitators, they don't represent really anything. It seems like they don't really represent God. They don't represent the family. They're trying to destroy the sacred institutions that God built. And that's not what we saw, and that's not what we're commemorating on January 19th. That's not what we saw during the civil rights movement.

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

Right, And I agree, because nowadays pulpits today are stirring more division and hate than love. And Dr. King did not use his platform to continue to create division. He used his platform to bring people together, to mobilize, to use their voices to decree and declare that they should have civil rights and the same rights as others. And even when he spoke to presidents and people of power that resisted such change during that time, he used diplomacy. He didn't use ways to disrespect the President of the United States or disrespect those in authority, but he kept pushing back against authority by speaking truth to power and using such diplomacy to lead us to the different acts that brought about the voters Right act and things of that sort. And I think that our leaders of politics and our pulpit prophets today need to go back to that vision of Dr. King. Don't, don't say his name and talk about you're keeping the dream alive. If you're reaping more havoc and more chaos and confusion than you are compassion and divine correction, that leads us to unity and not further apart.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

That's right. I can't help, and I want to just lean into this topic. It was very interesting to see under the previous administration and what we saw even in 2020, BLM Incorporated, an organization that was a multinational effort, hundreds of millions of dollars raised largely by Wall street and other interest groups. And one of the first things, Bishop, they wanted to tear down the patriarchy. They wanted to tear down the nuclear family. They wanted to destroy the very institution that God created. And it was just. It was crazy to think about that. And then later, BLM Inc. Removed that, that verbiage from their documents. They tried to go back to their website and Sanitize it. So it didn't have any of that language in there. But as a pastor, I. I see that we are. We're seeing the destruction of the family. It is going at breakneck speed. The number of children born to single parent homes. And we're also seeing that fatherhood has been under assault for decades now in this country. That is not a part of the dream that Dr. King had.

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

You're absolutely right. Because the Black Lives Matter movement was birthed out of an injustice that took place not too far from where I live, Sanford, Florida, where a young man was gunned down. And from that they felt it was unjust. So this group came together to call for justice. Somehow in the midst of this group calling for justice, there are some other people who wanted to attach their agenda. And this agenda eliminated traditional marriage and eliminated the male in the home. And now it hijacked this rainbow agenda that said we need civil rights too. And it lost the fiber and the moral of the message. And it began to be something that it should not have been. And now it created Marxism and chaos around America, tearing up cities and being violent and being destructive when that was not how it was birthed. And I must put this in context today for those who listen, that if you want to go back to the dream of Martin Luther King, if I can talk to the fathers today, that's what the dream is all about. Because if you want to see a home be derailed, torn apart, and kids not be educated and end up in the prison pipeline, let a male be out of place. Let a male not be present in his children's life. And unfortunately, today in our African American homes and beyond, we're seeing missing males. Many of them are locked in jail and many of them are not taking on their responsibilities and have become deadbeat dads. And if I could say anything in this particular King Day, as we celebrate the dream, we need to go back to what the dream was all about. It was about morals. It was about character. It's time for men to get back in the. In their homes and in the life of their children and to promote character and build productive children who will become productive citizens that will make a true contribution in this society versus reaping havoc and creating chaos.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

So well said. Tell us just a little bit. I know you're very active in the National Faith Advisory. This is unprecedented, the opportunities that you have that many other pastors, faith leaders, have to speak and be a direct voice for our churches, for our synagogues, for our houses of worship in this country. Directly to the president. I've not seen that in my entire life. I'm 42 years old. In my entire life, I've not seen any administration take these active steps to promote religious freedom, to promote religious liberty, to give respect where respect is due, and to put faith back in the White House. Tell us about that.

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

You know, President Trump has always been one that I admired from a kid. As a businessman, I read his book Think Big, because everything he did, he likes to supersize it and do it in a mega way. Never thinking that I would be in the White House and he would be the president. I would have an opportunity to consult with him and pray over him and speak into his life. And while that's not very popular in the African American community, and I have lost much to stand in that room with him because men in my community counseled me. I lost a whole congregation because I prayed for President Trump. It's been worth it. There's been a blessing behind those closed doors because it has given me a platform to be an advocate, not just for the black community, but for the people of America as a whole. Before a president that kept his promise. Everything this man said he was going to do, he ran on. He's producing it whether you like it or not. And amongst those things, religious freedom is at the top. He told us in the first administration, he would give us a White House faith office. Last year, this time, we dedicated the White House faith office that sits right above the Oval Office. And we are there constantly, along with Pastor Paula White, Kane and others speaking into him, praying over him. And even in this upcoming celebration of 250 years of America, he said, my pastors are going to be on the front line involved in this because we need to make America pray again and bring America back to God. I tell you, President Trump is not a perfect man, but he perfectly understands that he needs God in order to be successful as a president and for us to continue to be prosperous as a country.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Amen. Bishop. It's the 250th anniversary of our nation, 2026. Many thought you, you know, America might not ever get here. And that goes decades back. Could this be the end? Could this be the end? And in fact, the Lord did grant us the 250th year. And my prayer for America is that we have 250 more. Not a perfect nation. Not a perfect nation, even going back to our founding. But one of really good reminders, something that Frederick Douglass said that the promises that were contained within the declaration, even Though they didn't Declaration of Independence, even though they didn't fully extend to all Americans. Contained within the promise was the hope that one day those those grievances could be addressed and that one day all men and women would be would be regarded is equal under God. What does it mean to you as a pastor in 2026 that our nation has been given afforded this opportunity to continue to go forth in freedom?

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

Unlike so many people, I have respect for America. I'm blessed to be a global revivalist that travels the world. And there is nothing like we have in this country. We're not perfect, but we are blessed. And because we're blessed, we have the liberty and the freedoms that so many other third world countries don't have. And I think that people need to take a moment in these day and time to reflect, to remember the foundation that we've been established upon God. And that our freedom did not start with the founding Fathers. Our freedom started with the plan of God to make us free from the beginning. And he used the founding fathers to articulate these such words in our Constitution. And as a result of that, we're living in that freedom today. And I believe today people need to honor that, remember that, respect that and pastors need to preach from their pulpit what Dr. Keaton said, let freedom ring. We got to continue to let freedom ring. And that's what will tear down the division. That's what will tear down the separation. That's what will cause us to collaborate and collide and to not judge people by color, but by character. And understand that equity and equality is for all. Because that has already been designated by God. And men will uphold it as they are convicted by the Holy Spirit to continue to lead this nation in the way that God has ordained it through the leaders that founded it.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Amen. It contained in the American dream, whether the dream of Dr. Martin Luther King or the dream of the founders was always freedom. It was always freedom. It wasn't material prosperity, it wasn't wealth, it wasn't trade deals with China. It was freedom. And we're celebrating freedom today. Praise be to God. Bishop, thank you so much for joining us this morning. Thank you. And no one could have said it better. God bless you, sir.

[Bishop Kelvin Cabarrus]

God bless you. Thank you.

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Joining us now is Dr. William Lyle, best known as the Pro Life Doc. He is a board certified OBGYN and a former Department Chair at Sacred Heart Hospital in Pensacola, Florida. He's a strong advocate for the unborn and has dedicated much of his career to educ people on the brutality of abortion. Dr. Lyle, thank you for joining us. Great to see you.

[Dr. William Lyle]

Well, it's an honor to be back and it's an honor to defend God's preborn in the womb. My patients.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Hey, you know, every time I hear your voice, Dr. Lyle and I, we're going to get to really serious questions. But you got some bass and boom in your voice. Are you a singer?

[Dr. William Lyle]

I actually sang in a Southern gospel quartet for years and the name of the Southern gospel quartet that I sang in was called Agape. And everybody knows the word agape, but it was actually given to us by God because one night when we were thinking about what should we name our group, we were lined up and we were four different guys from four different backgrounds. But that night we had an attorney, a gynecologist A plumber and an engineer, a gpe. And we said we got to name the group Agape. And it was Agape ever since for the attorney, the gynecologist, plumber and engineer.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

That's awesome. A man of many talents. Well, I certainly, certainly appreciate that, Dr. Lyle. You know, we're right on the precipice of yet another annual March for Life, another annual Sanctity of. Of Life Sunday. Many churches across the nation, I wish it were all, but it's not all. Are going to be preaching about God's design for human life beginning at the moment of conception, all the way to natural birth and beyond. And many pastors are going to be preaching and raising awareness and attention and also calling attention to crisis pregnancy and supporting crisis pregnancies across the country. Tell us a little bit about where, just, just real quickly where we stand as a country today. In a post Dobbs world where many states, some have passed prohibitions on abortion. Other states, you know, just like in the Commonwealth of Virginia just this week, passed in the state legislature an amendment that would go to vote in the, in the 2026 election to permanently codify abortion all the way up to birth. So where do we stand as a nation, as a country, on this issue?

[Dr. William Lyle]

Well, basically, abortion is a spiritual battle. This is an attack on the image of God. Just like somebody burns the American flag because that is the image that represents the United States. You hate the United States. You want to burn the flag. The baby in the womb. Genesis 1:26 says, Let us make man in our image. So this is an attack on the image of God in the womb out of a hatred for God. So it's great having politicians, it's great having obstetricians speaking out from their podiums, but a spiritual battle should really be led by our pastors from their pulpits on our churches. And we've set aside Sanctity of Human Life Sunday. And now that it is before Sanctity of Human Life Sunday, go to your pastor, go to your priest and ask him, what are you doing for Sanctity of Human Life Sunday? And if they have a great plan, good. If they say, well, we don't get involved in politics, well, you have to think, why am I coming to this church? Why am I raising my kids? Why am I tithing? And in a church that doesn't defend the most important spiritual battle we've ever faced as a nation, but let them know there are easy ways to participate in Sanctity of Human Life Sunday, One way is to go to our Website, our website, prolife doc.org if you go to Sanctity of Human Life Sunday, there actually are multiple videos. There's a three minute video, there's a six minute video, and there's an 11 minute video which discuss, discusses why we're created in the image of God. The science behind our, you know, creation, our conception, our fetal development, but also how we are treating and curing babies in the womb. And that all patients have rights. They're available in English, they're available in Spanish and they're available in French. So that's one way we can all participate and discuss this issue, which might be complicated, but we've made it as simple as possible.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

You know, one of the most important things that people understand is that the Bible's definition and scientific proof and scientific discovery, they are congruent. They agree with one another, they affirm one another. Science has always affirmed what the Bible says regarding creation and God's design. You had an interesting take. We were having a little conversation off camera regarding the birth of Christ, our Lord, Emmanuel, God with us, the Incarnation, we just celebrated it at Christmas. We're going to be celebrating Easter here in a few months where he went to the cross at Calvary's Hill. And we don't celebrate because he died on that cross. We celebrate because he came out of the grave, he died and he rose again. But tell us, tell us a little bit about what you were talking about because I think it was really important.

[Dr. William Lyle]

Well, God's original plan from the time Adam fell and he knew that Adam and Eve were going to fall, his original plan could have been for Jesus, the Son of God, to come to earth to live a perfect life, give his life and then conquer death and rise again, which is what we celebrate on Resurrection Sunday. And his original plan could have been for Jesus to wander out of the wilderness, come into Jerusalem and begin his full time minist ministry. But God didn't have that plan. God's original plan was for our Savior, his Son to come to earth not as a man, not even as a baby, but as an embryo. Where the Holy Spirit and the angel of the Lord went before Mary and said, you're gonna bear a child. And you know, that was just amazing. And then for Joseph to get a visit as well to say, listen, your wife's pregnant, stick with it. This is of the Lord. And it's just amazing that the Son of God, Redeemer Emmanuel, came as an embryo. And then we, we all read in Luke 2 how there was Mary and Joseph and the Babe lying in the manger. Well, the word that's used for the baby Jesus is breath us. That just means baby. But the exact same word is used to describe Jesus in the womb in Luke 1 where the baby leaped in the mother's womb for joy. That was John the bapt describing that baby in the womb. Same word. God doesn't see a difference between a baby in the womb and a baby in the manger. But Luke, who wrote Luke was a physician and so he always has a little bit more medical insight. And so Mary had actually traveled almost 80 miles to visit Elizabeth. And Elizabeth was carrying John the Baptist who was about six months along. Meanwhile, Jesus in Mary's womb was about three months along. Let me, I don't think there are many women today who are three months pregnant who would take an 80 mile hike to visit a friend. I mean we'd FaceTime them or just give them a call, send them a text. But she visited all the way to visit Elizabeth. But what is significant is that Elizabeth says, oh, that the mother of my Lord should visit me. She knew how far along she had walked. But Elizabeth wasn't just saying the mother of the baby who will become my Lord. She said the mother of my Lord. But then John also says that that baby left in the mother's womb for joy because John the Baptist is in the presence of Jesus himself. And then we see what a support John the Baptist was in his life preparing the way for Jesus. But he leapt in his mother's womb. Not just kicking around, but Luke actually describes how he leapt in his mother's womb and expressed human emotion joy. So we are not created in the image of God on our birthday. We are created in the image of God at the moment of our conception. And it is extremely important that we defend God's preborn because abortion is evil. And now it's even available in a pill nation across the nation, all 50 states. We need to fight evil because this is a spiritual battle. We need to hear it from our pastors.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Absolutely, I wholeheartedly agree. And I can't help but be reminded, I was watching a video not too long ago of a protest in UK and there was a Anglican priest who was supporting pro choice and defending what he called the fundamental right for a woman to basically murder her baby. And one of the, one of the guys that was conducting interviews, he was a pro life Christian and he asked this Anglican priest, he says, was Jesus Christ fully God and fully man in the womb and you could tell he was totally stumped because he didn't know how to answer the question. If he denied that basic reality, he would be going against historic Christian orthodoxy, and it would be a violation of his oath as a pastor, as a priest in the Anglican Communion because of settled historic doctrines and confessions that they have to affirm. And so he clearly was stumped. So his politics and his theology were incongruent. And that's one of the things that we have to remind ourselves as Christians is that our biblical convictions, our biblical theology are intricately woven into our politics and to how we play the, the ethics out. And so if we're going to be consistent biblically, we have to assume a pro life stance.

[Dr. William Lyle]

Absolutely. And when you look through scripture as far as getting involved in politics, there are dozens of examples. I mean, you look at Moses, did he get involved in politics? Yeah, he went up to Pharaoh and he says, hey, the people go, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Daniel, all got involved in politics. John the Baptist actually went up to Herod and says, you are sleeping with your brother's wife. That is wrong. He lost his head over that. But he got involved in politics. Paul got involved in politics. Jesus himself got involved in politics. So if your pastor says, we don't get involved in politics, then he's not following the example of the heroes of the faith in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. And we have the freedom them to engage in this battle. So we have a duty to get engaged in this battle.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Amen. So well said. You know, I want, I want to say this. I want to pivot and say one other thing. This time of year, it is a reminder there are women, there are fathers, there are mothers out there that made a decision sometime in their past that they fully regret today to make that ultimate decision to basically sacrifice that baby, that it was their baby, their child. And I believe fully that that child is in glory, is with the Lord. But there's a message of redemption. There's a message of hope and healing, even for those who made that decision and now say fully today, Dr. Lyle, I would never do that again. 10. But, but they feel the weight and the burden of that maybe today. What's a message you might give somebody like that?

[Dr. William Lyle]

Well, the. They're about 18 to 24% of all the people that attend church at least once a month. Abortion is personally part of their lives. They are hurting. They need healing. Healing comes from forgiveness. And true forgiveness only comes through the blood of Christ. And I am firmly convinced, just like you are, that when moms and dads have made that, that decision, whether they were pressured or ill informed or even forced to have an abortion. And now they are suffering the depression, the anxiety and the guilt of abortion. That healing comes from that true forgiveness. And when you look at the example of David, when he lost his son because of his sins, you know, that he had committed with Bathsheba, and he mourned and mourned and prayed, heal my son. But then when his son actually passed away and died, God, David said he rejoiced because someday he would be reunion reunited with his son. He wasn't saying that I'll be reunited with his evil son Absalom. He'll be reunited with this son. So everybody who is saved will someday be reunited. And they will not say, I can't believe what you did to me. They will say, welcome to glory, welcome to heaven. I understand. So that's why this message needs to be coming from our pulpits. And the American association of Christian Counselors does an amazing job teaching counselors how to address this issue. Because we've had over 64 million recorded abortions. And yes, these people feel that sense of loss. And so with our presentation at the banquet and with the conference in the fall, we'll be presenting to 7,500 Christian counselors on how to bring healing and forgiveness after abortion. But a lot of people, when they meet a counselor, they say, well, what's going on today? Now this is something that might have happened 20 or 30 years ago. So we're going to teach the techniques to try to find this out, because healing is available to men and women. And I don't know how a non Christian counselor can bring healing on this issue. Especially now with abortion pill, where you pass the body of a fetus, you see fingers, you see toes, you see eyes. How can a non Christian counselor look at that person, say, what you saw wasn't what actually was there. You didn't see a baby, you just saw a blob of tissue. No, I saw fingers and toes and fingerprints and eyes. But with a Christian counselor, they can say, God understands the power of the gospel message is powerful enough to even bring healing and forgiveness after an abortion. So Christian counselors need to reach out, they need to be trained. And we're going to be doing that because that's what the purpose of the gospel is, to bring healing, redemption, and to be able to spend eternity in heaven with our Lord and Savior. Savior.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

So well said. We'll leave it there. I'm, I'm so grateful for your ministry, especially in such a time as this abortion. Sadly, Dr. Lyle, as you know and and many of our listeners understand this, it's on the rise. But we we worship a God who has overcome the world. We worship a God who knows his way beyond the grave. We worship a God who makes all things new. And so that's what we're praying for on this sanctity of life Sunday. Thank you so much sir. Appreciate you coming on.

[Dr. William Lyle]

It's an honor. God bless you and your ministry.

[Ryan Helfenbein]

Thank you Dr. Bill Lyle for your comments this morning. None could have said it better. We appreciate so much what you're doing to lead our churches to help them understand the pro life issue. Hey folks, stick around. We'll be back for closing thoughts.

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As we close today on this Sanctity of Life Sunday I want to leave you with the words of Dietrich Friedrich Bonhoeffer, the German pastor who stood valiantly against the Nazi regime and gave his life for his convictions. He said this destruction of the embryo in the mother's womb is a violation of the right to live which God has bestowed upon his nascent life. To raise the question whether we are here concerned already with a human being or not is merely to confuse the issue. The simple fact is that God certainly intended to create a human being and that this nascent human being has been deliberately deprived of his life. And that is nothing but murder. Strong prophetic words. None can be Truer, friends. Over 65 million lives have been lost to abortion since Roe vs. Wade Chemical Abortion pills are being mailed across state lines. The definition of person of a human being is under assault. But as we heard today, there is hope. Abortion workers are leaving the industry. States are passing protective laws, pregnancy centers are serving women with life affirming alternatives and God is still in the business of redemption. Don't let sanctity of life Sunday be just one Sunday a year. Support your local pregnancy center. Speak truth with compassion. Pray for women in crisis. Advocate for laws that protect the vulnerable. And remember Horton's truth. A person is a person, no matter how small. Until next time. May God give you courage to stand for these and for the least of these. God bless you.

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