THE ROAD FORWARD - JANUARY 25th, 2026

Summary

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Real America’s Voice: The Road Forward – January 25, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode of Real America’s Voice: The Road Forward, host Dr. Tim Clinton leads a panel of high-profile guests—Gary Bauer, Dr. Malachi O’Brien, Dan Steiner, and Dr. Jay Strack—through an exploration of the turbulent intersections of faith, politics, and culture in 2026 America. The discussion focuses on the escalation of social tensions, spiritual challenges facing church communities, the evolution of the pro-life movement, and the importance of support for Israel. With passionate debate and heartfelt encouragement, this episode provides an unfiltered conservative Christian perspective on recent events and their broader implications for American society.

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Key Topics & Highlights

1. Church Disruptions and First Amendment Challenges (02:45–11:49)

• Event Recap: Recent protests targeting a church in St. Paul, Minnesota, by radical activists (“anti-ICE mob”) drew the attention of national media. Children and worshippers were frightened as agitators disrupted worship, leading to strong condemnation from faith leaders and legal analysts.
• Free Speech & Religion: Dr. Tim Clinton and Gary Bauer discuss how such disruptions violate the First Amendment rights of congregants. Bauer stresses that “politics is interested in you”—even if churches wish to remain apolitical.
• Rising Secularism and Threats: The growing influence of “radical secularism” and “neo-Marxism” is cited as a threat to both religious liberty and the American social fabric.

Notable Quote:

“Politics is interested in you. … Given the radical secularism, neo-Marxism that is abroad in the land, you can’t just worship forever like we’ve done in America.”—Gary Bauer (08:24)

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2. The State of American Discourse & Political Polarization (09:42–14:35)

• Emotionalism vs. Rationality: The rise of “fight-to-the-end” emotionalism in political debate is discussed, with Clinton lamenting the loss of civil dialogue.
• Entrenched Divisions: Bauer asserts that only one side—the conservative Christian community—seeks de-escalation. He warns that “the left intends to capture America and transform it.”
• Call to Action: Both Clinton and Bauer underscore the need for Christians to engage, vote, and defend faith, family, and freedom, drawing parallels to the courage of early Christians.

Notable Quote:

“You have to have two sides that want to dial it back. … The left doesn’t want to dial it back. The left intends to capture America and transform it…”—Gary Bauer (10:32)

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3. Division & Accusation in the Church and the Culture (19:10–29:57)

• Interview with Dr. Malachi O’Brien: O’Brien shares concerns over unprecedented global tension, violence, public accusations, and a climate of divisiveness—even within Christian circles.
• Accusation Culture: O’Brien discusses the “spirit of accusation” overwhelming discourse and the destructive cycle of online call-outs, clickbait, and “failure porn.”
• Biblical Responses: Emphasis on the need for discernment, forgiveness, and addressing issues directly with grace, not public shaming.
• Emotional Manipulation: O’Brien highlights the use of “weapons of mass emotion” and warns against confusing feelings with facts.

Notable Quotes:

“We’re in a day and age … where we’re seeing weapons of mass emotion being dropped and people don’t know how to feel anymore. And if they don’t know how to feel, they don’t know how to think.”—Dr. Malachi O’Brien (21:05)

“There is a failure porn cartel. There is Christian TMZ. … Reality, we need to be more concerned about the failures in our own heart than … someone else’s.”—Dr. Malachi O’Brien (25:50)

• Reforming Discourse: O’Brien applauds Charlie Kirk’s approach to “arguing ideas, not people.”

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4. Pro-Life Movement & State-Level Abortion Battles (34:12–42:25)

• Interview with Dan Steiner (Preborn): Discussion of March for Life, the surge of pro-life activism among Gen Z, and the challenges facing the movement post-Roe.
• Abortion Pills & State Laws: Despite Roe’s overturn, the abortion industry’s shift to telehealth and mail-order abortion pills is driving abortion rates higher in “blue” states.
• Preborn’s Approach: Steiner explains Preborn’s strategy of online outreach, call centers, and providing ultrasounds—asserting that 80% of women who view an ultrasound choose not to abort.
• Results & Challenges: In 2025, Preborn reportedly saved over 81,000 babies, with over 10,000 women making faith commitments.

Notable Quote:

“We’re the competition to the abortion industry. … A pipeline from technologically reaching their girl online, having her call our call center … sending her to one of our clinics to see an ultrasound—of which she’ll change her mind 80% of the time…”—Dan Steiner (38:17)

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5. Israel, Evangelicals, and Rising Antisemitism (46:27–56:23)

• Interview with Dr. Jay Strack: Recounts a trip to Israel with evangelical leaders in wake of the Hamas hostage crisis and growing global antisemitism.
• Personal Impact: Engaging with hostages’ families, exploring “the heart and soul” of Israel, and understanding the strategic and spiritual importance of the land.
• Media Narratives: Critique of coverage framing Israel’s historical territory as negotiable, warnings against “replacement theology,” and support for Abraham Accords.
• Call to Prayer: Emphasis on intercessory prayer for the peace of Jerusalem and affirmation of Israel’s significance in biblical prophecy.

Notable Quotes:

“Israel is being asked to give away their heart and soul, two-thirds of their land, to have peace. … [But] there’s thousands of square miles … lying vacant for those that want another homeland.”—Dr. Jay Strack (52:33)

“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We got to pray that God would move in a mighty way over there and do his work.”—Dr. Tim Clinton (55:54)

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Memorable Moments & Encouragement

• Proverbs 18:10 Shared:

“The name of the Lord is a strong tower. The righteous run into it and they are safe.” (04:57, 56:33)

• Pastoral Encouragement: Clinton closes with a direct appeal to listeners struggling with fear or hopelessness, urging them to seek community, professional help, or spiritual counsel as needed.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Church Protest & Freedom of Religion: 02:45–11:49
• Polarization & Christian Response (Gary Bauer): 11:49–14:35
• Division & Online Accusation Culture (Dr. Malachi O’Brien): 19:10–29:57
• Pro-Life Movement & Preborn (Dan Steiner): 34:12–42:25
• Israel, Antisemitism, and Evangelical Support (Dr. Jay Strack): 46:27–56:23
• Encouragement, Prayer, & Resource Information: 56:33–End

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Summary Table: Guest Contributions

| Guest | Segment (Start) | Key Themes Addressed | |------------------------|-----------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | Gary Bauer | 07:04 | Church protests, freedom of religion, secularism, political division | | Dr. Malachi O’Brien | 19:10 | Church/culture division, online accusation, emotional manipulation, reconciliation| | Dan Steiner (Preborn) | 34:12 | The pro-life movement, abortion pill, Preborn's outreach and results | | Dr. Jay Strack | 46:27 | Support for Israel, trip recap, antisemitism, Abraham Accords |

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Overall Tone & Language

The episode is passionate, urgent, and overtly Christian-conservative. There are biblical references throughout, and the tone is often pastoral but also combative against perceived cultural and spiritual threats. The hosts and guests use rhetoric that frames current cultural challenges as existential battles for faith, freedom, and the soul of America.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a sweeping overview of high-profile stories at the intersection of faith, politics, and society for conservative Christians. It moves from church protests and First Amendment rights, through analysis of polarization and intra-church division, to strategies in the pro-life movement and culminating in a passionate defense of Israel. Listeners are left with both a sense of cultural crisis and encouragement grounded in faith, along with practical steps to engage civically, spiritually, and with one another in hope.

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Welcome into Real America's Voice. This is Sunday, the Road Forward. Stay with us as we discuss the intersection of faith, culture and everyday life. As always, a word of hope and encouragement for you and those you love, especially in these challenging times. I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special guest joining us this week, he's the president of American Values and senior vice president for public policy for the Dr. James Dobson family Institute. Gary Bauer is back with us. He's an endurance athlete, revivalist, pastor and founder of Malachi Media Digital Media Company. Dr. Malachi O' Brien is with us and he is the founder and chair of Preborn, the nation's largest pro life organization. Dan Steiner is with us and he is best selling author, evangelist and founder of Student Leadership University. Dr. Jay Strack is back. Thanks for watching. When I stand in in your love, my fear doesn't stand a chance.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

All eyes continue to lock in on Minnesota with social media and the news cycles going wild over the ice protesters storming city's church there in St. Paul. In a strongly worded statement from the church targeted by the anti ice mobile, here's what the church said. On Sunday, January 18, a group of agitators jarringly disrupted our worship gathering. They accosted members of our congregation. Frightened kids created a scene marked by intimidation and threat. Such conduct, the church wrote, is shameful, unlawful and will not be tolerated. I was impressed by how the pastor handled himself in the midst of that threatening situation. A CNN legal contributor dropped the pretty strong reality balm on the church. Protesters this week went on to say this. You're in trouble if you interfere physically and obstruct another person's First Amendment right to exercise their freedom of religion. Practicing their religion, it's a federal crime. They crossed the line when they went inside the church. He went on to say this. Imagine if protesters were inside a hospital to protest Medicaid or health policy and interrupted treatment of patients. It's really not that different. President Trump jumped in the middle of this conversation, called out Don Lemon, who led that mob. He said, you know what? This isn't journalism. It's insurrection against people of faith. And it looks like also there were paid protesters. William Kelly, the man whose face is all over social media, the guy with the beard. And they're smearing attendees, including children, calling them Nazis, claims that he couldn't be charged. Well, that didn't age well. There have been and will be arrests. People are going to be brought to justice for how they violated the law. That's what Secretary Noem said. Remember this, too. Only I think, what, five months ago, a trans shooter killed two children at a Minneapolis church and wounded, what, more than 20 others. I think that's what makes this whole Don Lemon protest mob what they did even more despicable. And this weekend was the 2026 March for Life event held in Washington, D.C. the theme, Life as a gift. It invites all people to rediscover the beauty, goodness and joy of life itself. That's pretty refreshing. Vice President J.D. vance addressing the crowd. I'm amazed at how many of today's generations are showing up. They call themselves the pro life generation. Hey, in times like these, our hope, our strength, we know this comes from the Lord. Here's a great verse to hold onto this week. Proverbs 18, verse 10. The name of the Lord is a strong tower and the righteous run into it and they're safe. I'm going to pray. We're going to get started. God be with us. Bless our program today. Use it for your glory. Thank you for your goodness and grace. We pray for our country. We pray for nations all over the world, Lord, that somehow we would glorify you, that we would lift you up and you would draw all men to yourself. I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen. Let's get started.

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[Gary Bauer]

Thank you, Tim. It's always great to be with you. I hope you had great holidays.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Well, we did, Gary. And over the holidays and here in early January, my goodness, is social media lit up. I mean, we saw the fraud and all the stuff going down in Minnesota and it was like, oh, this is unbelievable. And then we heard conversations about how fraud is even worse in other states. And then, Gary, this anti ice mob and storming a church. What in the world? Led by Don Lemon and company. And here we go. And Gary, I'm telling you what this is fever Pitched stuff. Unbelievable. Violating the. The First Amendment rights of American citizens to gather together to worship God freely in church.

[Gary Bauer]

You know, Tim, how many times have you and I both heard a well meaning pastor say, look, Tim. Gary, I. I'm not interested in politics. That's not what I'm all about. And my response has always been, I understand, but politics is interested in. You don't think you can just worship forever like we've done in America, given the radical secularism, neo Marxism that is abroad in the land. And we just saw an example of it in Minneapolis St. Paul. That was a disgusting act. It was an infuriating act. Children were frightened. As you remember, Tim, it was just a few months ago that there was a literal murders. Murders were committed and at a Catholic church school, a demonic possessed assassin went to that school and killed children. So imagine if you're at this church in St. Paul with your children and all of a sudden you hear noise and shouting and people running in. Some of these kids probably were afraid for their lives. So whatever laws were violated, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Gary, this fight to the end stuff, it's not, come, let us reason together. I was watching Sean Hannity this weekend. He had a guest on and they were yelling at each other. I know, for five minutes. I mean, it was just blow for blow. It was like watching a Rocky movie or something. They were just hammering on each other, just. And part of me says, you know, what's, what's concerning is people again are getting caught up in the emotionalism rather than any rational conversation, meaning that nobody's hearing. It doesn't matter how well you make your point, how clear you are, how right you are. Gary, somewhere. How do we dial this back so we can hear each other and start having some meaningful conversation and figure out how to be Americans here?

[Gary Bauer]

Yeah, you know, Tim, I always feel like the skunk at the wedding when this question comes up because I know that 90% of the American people want to dial it back. Because I think we all see up ahead the edge of the cliff we're headed to. But to dial it back, you have to have two sides that want to dial it back. I think Christians want to dial it back. I think we saw Christians in that church dial it back in the midst of being attacked. They were praying for the demonstrators. The pastor asked people to open their Bibles and go to a particular verse. The thing we have to acknowledge here is that the left doesn't want to dial it back. The left intends to capture America and transform it into a country that would no longer be a shining city on a hill that is built on the idea that our liberty comes from God, not from government. So those two beliefs are not something that we can ever accept. So I'm afraid we're not going to be able to dial it back, which makes it all the more important that we win this battle.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Gary, before you go along this very train of thought, Virginia elections have consequences. And look at what in the world's happening already in the first few days. The governor, she's signing all kinds of stuff, Gary, making Virginians like wild crazy. People are going like, what in the world? She's supposed to be a moderate and here she is extreme. I'm talking about from guns to, you name it, voting to illegals, everything, Gary. Abortion, all the way up to the birth of a child. It's just like. And I heard people debating, saying, hey, I'll tell you what, it might be an overplay again, because people are going to be reminded all over again of how bad things really can get, seriously. And how fast they can go there. Gary, some closing thoughts for us about, hey, how we should think, how we should pray and what we should be doing.

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[Gary Bauer]

Your point that you just made, Tim, is really key. What people need to understand whether we like it or not, for better or worse, there are two visions. And if you are upset with conservative Republicans for some reason, the alternative is neo Marxist leftists, as we're seeing right in the state of Virginia, of all places. Virginia used to be the home of moderate Democrats. And she did things on her first day in office that would be the kind of thing you would expect in, you know, from Governor Newsom in California or Mandami in New York City. So there's two diametric visions for the country here as far as what we ought to be doing. We, we've got. We can't grow we in this. You know, we, we every previous generation made sacrifices in order to give us the liberties we have. It would be a disaster if we walked away from this battle. We not only would lose now, but we would condemn our children and grandchildren to lesser lives, lesser opportunities, lesser chance of experiencing the freedom that we experience. So we need to steel ourselves, we need to pray and of course that the other side will see the light, but we also need to pray for courage for us, that we need to pray to God that he will give us the same courage that the fathers of our faith showed when standing up for Christ meant the death sentence. All we have to do is vote, be citizens and defend faith, family and freedom. I believe if we do this, God will continue to bless our nation.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Well, God be with us. Gary Bauer, always great to have you. Thank you for joining me.

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Joining US now is Dr. Malachi O'. Brien. Malachi is the Pastor of church at Pleasant Ridge in Harrisonville, Missouri. He also is the founder of Malachi Media. Malachi, thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to join me.

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Dr. Clinton, I'm honored to be on the show. I know we're going to have a great conversation. So thank you so much over the.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Last couple of weeks. Malachi I think everybody would agree the world is kind of like on fire. I mean goodness. Go to the fraud that was uncovered out in the state of Minnesota. People are saying other states is even worse to Venezuela. Go to Israel, the Middle east. What's happening there? The anti ice Mob storming a church up in Minnesota's blowing up social media. People are. People are tense. Malachi, what are you seeing? What are you hearing?

[Commercial Voice]

Well, I feel like we're watching the season finale of the Apprentice almost every day now. You don't know what's going to happen next, but people are tense because they've never seen this before. They've never seen the rioting that we're seeing on the streets in Iran. They never seen what happened in Venezuela where, you know, we stopped a regime. They've never seen. They've. No one's ever seen protesters come into a church and terrify children and families. Like what happened in there. They're terrified because they don't know what's going to be next.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

The come, let us reason together thing, Malachi, it's fading. I'll tell you what, I've never seen so much hate and hatred. The insanity, the division just continues to escalate. Malachi, in the midst of it concerning peace for me, did a little piece on it this week. It's just what we're seeing also in the conservative Christian community. I mean, people going at it. There are attack dogs out there just trying to take people out, take them down. And it's shocking. It's sad. You know, I mean, I go back to the scripture of what the Lord hates man and those who stir up discord and insanity. What are your thoughts on that? I know you got a new book out. Time to rise. Dial this thing in for us.

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I Wish we had 24 hours of a continuous conversation, because I've thought about this a long time. There's. There's division because the enemy loves division and he's going to do it in a way where it seems like it's a good thing what people are doing, whether it be attacking other people online in the court of public opinion. They're violating scriptural principles and guidelines when it is to addressing issues. So in the conservative political movement, we're seeing division like we've never seen before in the Christian community. We're seeing people publish and blog videos and articles and things that may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter what's true. What matters is what they want you to believe. And so I feel like we're in a day and age, Dr. Clinton, where we're seeing weapons of mass emotion being dropped and people don't know how to feel anymore. And if they don't know how to feel, they don't know how to think. And so you can't logic with Emotional things and emotions are not going to sway logic. But people need to wake up. This is a Revelation 12, Spirit of Accusation on the earth. It's part of Satan's end time plan. As the escalation rises against Israel, so will internal escalation rise in the church. Brother against brother in this hour. That's what we're seeing. People don't know how to react or what to say. And so oftentimes they say silent when silence is not the answer.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You talk about accusations, Malachi, and we would agree there, there are people out there who've got some dirty hands. They're guilty and responsible for things they do or have done. But in the midst of it, some people just rush. I mean, it's like, who can get there first? And it's. It's not innocent until proven guilty. It's another way. It's like, hey, we want to get likes and we're trying to create drama and go after people like crazy, hammering on them. You know that whether it's true or not. And there is a lot of emotionalism wrapped up in it. Talk to us about the work you did to understand this space and how you're trying to bring some, I guess some sanity to it.

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Yeah. Thank you, Dr. Clay. So I wrote a book called Time to Rise, Overcoming Accusation, Walking in Victory. And it was really trying to take a. Started a 10,000 foot view and go. And then go to the grass level of what's really going on. And so what we see is people don't necessarily care. You're right. There is a whole industry that's been created that people profit off of views on YouTube or links to a website. And it's profitable to make money on the pain of others. I liken it to, you know, Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. People are willing to violate scriptural principles in order to get.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You're talking about clickbait, sensational titles, yellow journalism, just stuff that's not even right. It's just rage. Yeah. Half baked stuff, you know. Yeah.

[Commercial Voice]

The spirit of accusation thrives on half truths. And that's what makes it hard to come against it is because if you, if the way they frame it is, if you speak up, they're going to say you must be for what they did. And that's not the case at all. We want holiness and purity and revival in the church. What we don't want is things that go against the gospel, like things that say, no, you shouldn't forgive this person. You shouldn't go after redemption, mercy or grace. No, what's happening now is people are being crucified by the public opinions of others that can be swayed online. And it's destroying people on the inside, and it's deconstructing people's faith. It's not like we don't want to expose things. There is no such thing as exposure ministry. People go, we want justice. Justice was met on the cross, but I promise you, Satan's trying to distract the body of Christ from walking in unity and agreement. And we don't see revival. And Dr. Clinton, there was an instance a couple years ago, you and I can relate to this. I saw it in the Southern Baptist Convention where a dear friend of ours, Dr. Ronnie Floyd, was leading the Southern Baptist Convention when a whole series of news reports came out that three years later were found out not to be true. But in the midst of that, I watched people come against Dr. Floyd and accuse him of so many things that weren't true. But he stood with character and integrity and did what was right. And only a couple years later was the truth found out. But sadly, sometimes that's too little too late. And we need discernment in this hour and courage in this hour. And there's a fail. This is a pretty hard word, so I hope I don't offend anybody in the audience, but I'm going to say it right now. There is a failure porn cartel. There is Christian tmz. There's something dark, insidious inside of all of us that somewhat loves to read the faults and failures of others. In reality, we need to be deep, more concerned about the failures in our own heart than we are the failures of someone else's heart.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You know, it's like media overall, though, Malachi, it just seems like it feeds off of negativity, you know, that. That the headlines are all about what's wrong and blowing everything and everybody up. Malachi, whatever happened to that, hey, if you have with your brother, go to him or her, then if they don't respond, take a couple with you and do that kind of thing. Now it's, well, I sent an email or, yeah, probably got lost in some, you know, whacked out box over somewhere else in file 11. You know what I mean? But, yeah, trying to justify where they're at or what they're doing or what they love to do is engage people online, by the way. They want to engage your following, you get what I'm saying? So that they can create some sensationalism as much as they can and then just debate, push the hammer like Crazy. I was watching Sean Hannity this week and he got in, he got, he got fired up with some dude and they were yelling at each other on the TV for, I don't know, five minutes. I mean, it was just going at each other. Neither one of them would give up. You know, I mean, it's like you battle to the end, you know, Back a few years ago, Dr. Dobson challenged me to go listen to a lecture that was done at the University of California, Davis. And he said, Tim, you need, you need to just listen to this. And it was talking about liberals and conservatives and somehow they would debate each other and then figure out how to get some type of consensus. They do something where they could agree and they go forward. But that, I think it was a Dennis Prager piece and in it he talked, no, no, that's not where we are now. It's about conservatives going against leftism and really there's a zero tolerance. Nobody's given in and we're going to fight to the death. I don't care. And you've seen this. You see people do party votes where they don't even care whether it's right or not. They're going to vote party line, period. Even if it's against everything they believe in, they don't care anymore. And you can debate issues and come and hey, this is what the word says. Don't even care just because we're lost. The insanity of it all. And you're right, what it's doing is it's killing the hearts of people. It really is. I hear people saying now that pastors are all sick. That's not true.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

He didn't die with an AR15 in his hands. He died with a microphone in his hands. Just think about that and it comes back to the kind of conversation we're having. Well, we need to have more conversation around this, Malachi. There's a lot more to unpack. But, hey, the name of the book again.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey, before you go, I know you're a marathon runner. I know you're running. You got something going down. I think this year. Tell us about it real quick so people can pray for you.

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Absolutely. Okay, so this year I'm running five 200 mile plus races. Five 200 mile plus races. So in nine weeks, eight weeks, I'll be running the Arizona Monster. 330,000ft of elevation gain and descent over the entire course will take seven days. Two months later Tahoe 200. Two months later Bigfoot 200. And then a famous race two months later that David Goggins ran in last year, the Moab 240. So I've got some big races this year to do. It's never been done these ultra long races, so hopefully I live to see 20, 27.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Joining us now is Dan Steiner. Dan is the founder and chair of Preborn, a dedicated pro life nonprofit organization that supports life affirming pregnancy clinics in their mission to reach women considering abortion, particularly in areas with high abortion rates. Dan, welcome back. Thank you, thank you for joining me.

[Dan Steiner]

Good to be here, my friend.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Dan, as we get started, big week, Pro Life Week, March for Life 53rd annual event started by Nellie Gray up in Washington. Theme this year, life's a gift. I'll tell you what invites people all over the world really to rediscover the beauty, goodness and joy of life itself. Vice President Vance addressing the crowd this year. Amazing to me how many of the younger generation, Dan, are showing up. They call themselves the pro life generation. That's exciting to see.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, it's kind of mirrors the resurgence of faith that we're finding also in that generation which our friend Charlie Kirk helped tremendously with that. But it was happening before his fatal shooting. And we of course know that this is a generation that the Gen Z's millennials now alphas, unfortunately, upon which the hammer of abortion is most greatly struck. And so it's good to see that they're out there showing their support for life. It's very encouraging portends, I hope very badly for the abortion industry is our prayer.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Yeah, Dan, a lot of people are saying that the pro life movement is winning. We're in this post Roe era, but we know a lot of this is falling back on the states. Now with Virginia in line, we got now, I think nine states where abortion is legal up to birth, which is horrifying. It's just, it's sickening when you really think of it. But talk about the significance of the pro life movement and where you think we're at. Well.

[Dan Steiner]

This pro death juggernaut, Tim, is run by some of the most brilliant fools I've, I don't say that derogatorily. I say biblically. The fool says in the heart there is no God. The Ford foundation, the Bloomberg foundation, the Gates foundation, that some brilliant people that back in 2017 figured out that Roe vs Wade would fall because it was a faulty judicial activism decision in the first place. And it did, and they were ready with telehealth. And so now even though it did fall, we're seeing more abortions every year by about 80,000 every year, more through chemical digital abortion, people ordering pills and then constitutional amendments being, as you just mentioned in Virginia, being locked in pro death states. And the whole strategy of giving it back to the states is failed in that the states that have the most population, except for maybe Florida and Texas, are the ones in which there's most of the abortions and they're the ones that are sanctioning it up, as you mentioned, many of them to the day of birth, not to mention harvesting, you know, the organs from the babies in the process.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

And so, Dan, it's amazing to me because the majority of Americans, they want some type of restriction on abortion. How do these states go so rogue and so crazy, you know, that it's just unbelievable to me. They aren't really representing the will of the people, if you will. It's just these special interest groups and Planned Parenthood and more just railroading what they want.

[Dan Steiner]

It's an absence, I think as well, Tim, which you and I are very active in trying to resolve of the faithful.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Right.

[Dan Steiner]

Actually getting out and voting and showing up to, you know, particularly in non presidential years when these things run through. And so we need to pray that we would rise up against these things.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Dan, you had an organization called Preborn. I think it's the nation's single most successful pro life ministry out there. God is doing unbelievable things in and through it. Would you tell us a little bit about Preborn? Some people may not even be aware of what you're doing.

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, thank you, Tim. Well, we're the competition to the abortion industry. We're trying to put them out of business. That's our job. And our distinctive is that we're the gospel champion of the pro life movement. And so here's how it works. It's a pipeline from technologically reaching their girl online, having her call our call center, have her talk to a nurse if she's abortion vulnerable, and then sending her to one of our clinics to see an ultrasound, of which she'll change her mind 80% of the time if she'll see her baby there on ultrasound. So that's the pathway that we've had constructed to compete with online abortion, which is where probably 69% of all abortions are this year. Last year, then 2025, which we just came out of. Resultantly we've seen over 81,000, 81,941 exactly. Babies saved as a result of that. And so while a lot of pro life wonderful organizations protest and legislate against the issue, we're quietly away from the firestorm of rhetoric, loving women into wise decisions and sharing them a, an opportunity to have a personal relationship with our chief executive officer, which isn't me, it's Jesus Christ. And we had over 10,000 women take us up on it last year and receive Christ as their Lord and Savior. And so that's the greatest decision they could make. Hopefully they'll lead their baby to Christ as well when the kid matures. Populating earth and eternity is what we're about doing, saving lives for both. We put ultrasound machines in clinics across the United States, put 125 of them in. And here in our 20th year, Tim, our anniversary celebration, we're hoping to give every clinic in America that needs an ultrasound a new one in celebration of life. And so that's what we're about. We train clinics in evangelism, over 400 and about 500 of them. So it's a effort of practical, biblical, gospel centered compassion is what we're doing. And that's our distinctive.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Dan, you mentioned earlier, the abortion pill is really a serious, serious issue right now. They're saying what, some 65, 70% of all abortions now are related to the abortion pill. How are you guys stepping into the middle of that?

[Dan Steiner]

Well, it is horrific in that we know nearly 11% of these women that take the abortion pill end up in hospitalization. Serious hospitalizations.

[Dr. Jay Strack]

Wow.

[Dan Steiner]

Because they don't know how far along they are in their gestational age. And the pill is ineffective in evacuating all the contents of their uterus so they get an infection. Some of them are ectopic pregnancies that are undiagnosed, which is can only be done with an ultrasound. This is a medical disaster for women. The best thing that can happen is after hours of bloody trauma, she's going to deliver her baby on her bathroom floor and have to dispose of the body. So this is horror. This is a McCaber horror story is what this thing is, Tim. And in light of that, we are here reaching them online, giving them an alternative, telling them the reality of the abortion pill and what they're going to be facing and, and just showing them that we care, giving them medical alternatives to that. And we're going to roll it out in 2026 like it's never been done before in a very robust telehealth competition to the abortion industry.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Dan, if people want to learn more about you. Preborn maybe how to get involved in the pro life movement. Where can they go?

[Dan Steiner]

Yeah, they should go to preborn.com preborn.com if they want to donate 28 bucks they can underwrite an ultrasound. Maybe somebody wants to underwrite an ultron machine for 15,000. All that's tax deductible, Tim. And that's preborn.com Dan Steiner, I always.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Appreciate you and your ministry and we appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to join us. Thank you.

[Dan Steiner]

The joy to do so. Tim. Thank you so much.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Joining us now is Dr. Jay Strack. He's President Emeritus and founder of Student Leadership University, the premier global leadership training program for today's generations. He has a new global center also at Charleston Southern University. Jay, thank you for joining. Joining me.

[Dr. Jay Strack]

Well, thank you Tim. I always have to take extra vitamins and five hour energy because I know you bring you bring the heat.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Well Jay, I want to open up talking about Israel and Evangelicals for a moment. Back in December there was a special meeting down in Palm Beach. The Prime Minister was a part of a big delegation visiting President Trump and they also decided to bring a number of faith leaders to town. You, along with a guy named Mike Evans, helped coordinate some meaningful interaction. Jay, talk to us about why this group met and what you had hoped to accomplish.

[Dr. Jay Strack]

Well, thank you Tim. And you were at that meeting with the Prime Minister. And I appreciated it because it made me look good when about four or five of you guys walked in. So it was an amazing time. To recap the trip, Mike Evans is a force of nature. He's devoted his life to Israel, especially fighting anti Semitism. And he's got one of the most incredible museums in the world called foss, Friends of Zion. And he's known the Prime Minister as you. And I heard, I knew it. But I heard it again at our meeting with him when he said, mike and I have known each other since we were 14. And of course he was joking about each other's age. But it's amazing the relationship Mike has had. And recently because of what's gone on. And Tim, no one's addressing this any harder than you are, but there really is a rise from some surprising sources on antisemitism. And this was an effort. Our dream was to take 1,000 evangelical pastors. We had educators in that, we had youth pastors in that, but there were a thousand of us that went as the guest of the Israeli government. It was my 105th trip, but I've never been on a trip like this. We saw Israel as I had never seen it. Number one, we got to meet with the hostage families, we got to meet with some of the hostages that had been released. We got to go and hear the stories of some of the families that their loved one didn't come home or husband or daddy or mom didn't come home because of the atrocities that took place in those tunnels. We got to see the tunnels. We got to go to the carnival site where this happened. And it was heartbreaking to know that people, young people primarily, were the victims of this horrible atrocity because it was a music festival. It's right on the border. Many of those families had opened their homes for those in Gaza to come and have a part time job or to come in for medical. I mean, you know, it was kind of a laid back area and that hospitality was taken advantage of. So we saw and felt, Tim, like I never have, what Israel's gone through in the hostage situation and those tunnels, billions of dollars spent on the tunnels by Gaza, by Hamas. They could have built hospitals, they could have built mosques, they could have been synagogues, a university. They could have had one of the most beautiful. But they've spent billions of dollars for tunnels that you could drive an armored truck through and filled them with supplies and, and that's where they kept the hostages. So we got to relive that. But second of all, Tim, for Me, the most meaningful moment, I'll be brief here is we went to Shiloh. Now, Shiloh is this amazing area, but the media calls it the West Bank. Some Middle Eastern commentators call the area of Shiloh part of the west bank. And it is on a map, the West Bank. But you can't ask Israel to give up shiloh. That's where 80% of every account in the Bible took place. Now, obviously there was Egypt, obviously there was Nebuchadnezzar, obviously there was the country today of Jordan. But there were these other countries that we have biblical interactions with. But 80% of everything in the B took place in what today is called the West Bank. Israel has a little tiny dot. Just get a piece of white paper, put a little, one little dot in the middle. The rest are Arab nations, powerful nations, oil money, you know what it's like. And so to be there and to see that if Israel gave up that one area of land that Jerusalem and Tel Aviv could be attacked in about five minutes. That's how long they'd have to defend from a missile and they'd be giving away where the first tabernacle was, where many of the mirror, all the miracles. I mean, so it has really come alive to me, even after all these years, Tim, that Israel's being asked to give away their heart and soul, two thirds of their land to have peace. And yet there's thousands of square miles out there lying vacant for those that want another homeland. For those in the West Bank, Jay.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

A nation whose land is about the size of the state of New Jersey, the center of attention really to the world. It's unbelievable. We know the Bible says that those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. There's some tension going on around this. It's even showing up now, Jay, in conservative circles, even some people of faith are debating and they're, they're discussing this whole issue of replacement theology. Jay, it's concerning because it also, it, it, I don't know, it just this anti Semitism stuff somehow gets connected to it. You know that and Jay, we're seeing it served surface everywhere. What's your response to that? Jay, for people who are watching at home and they're trying to make sense of the whole Israel peace, what do you, what, what do they need to know? Just plain and simple.

[Dr. Jay Strack]

I think they need to, I think you said it. Well, Tim, we're talking about the size of New Jersey. Take that little dot and put it in the continent of Africa, right? And now that's a exaggerated picture but that's what the real life would look like. Little dot surrounded by all that vast land. And Israel has lit made the desert bloom. Israel's led the world in technology, many medical advances. Israel is is a miracle the desert began to bloom. But the irony is that Israel has a right to have their ancient homeland. Now do the Arabs have a right to have a homeland? Of course they do. But every call for giving many of the Palestinians a homeland means that we take more and more land from Israel which is the size of New Jersey. When there is thousands of undeveloped squared miles and the money that is available, the technology that is the desert would bloom for giving the Palestinians a well deserved homeland. They deserve a homeland. The problem is because of past activities, you know, Egypt does not want the Palestinians. Jordan who's taken in over a million refugees from all over the Middle east. Their heart is tremendous in helping Arabs that need help. But they don't want the Palestinians because of the history of the PLO and of terrorism and the revolts. So know it's time now and that's what a miracle about President Trump and the vision of those Abrahamic concord, those peace accords, the Abraham Accords. And Tim, you and I've talked about it, I know you've got some thoughts on it, but what a beautiful picture of faith. You know, religion is a part of all the tension. Why shouldn't religion be a part of the answer? And that's the beautiful thing about all of us that believe in a creator, believe in God, Christian, Jews and Arabs. The Abraham Accords are already making a difference, but we're about that far away.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Genesis 12:2 I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you and I will make your name great and you will be a blessing. Lord's covenant with Abraham. Jay, you know, in the end, I guess one thing we can do is just sit back and I'm reminded of the scripture that says pray for the peace of Jerusalem. We got to pray that God would move in a mighty way over there and do his work. Jay, always great to see you my friend. Thank you so much for joining me.

[Dr. Jay Strack]

Hey, God bless you and God bless America and God bless Israel.

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Follow Dr. Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life. Foreign. Closing I know these are unprecedented times, they're difficult times, but I believe that God's in control. I believe he's at work and I hope you will press in close to him in his heart and know that God loves you and that he wants to be in your life. Our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here again is that encouraging verse from the Bible to hold onto this week. Proverbs 18, verse 10. I like this. The name of the Lord is a strong tower. The righteous run into it and they are safe. Hope you know also that you can look to God for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. But let me also say this. I've learned as a professional counselor that it's normal to have some concern, fear, worry, especially when things aren't the way they're supposed to be. But I've also learned that if you aren't careful, you can begin to get consumed by it all. It can control you. And it's easy to lose perspective. For some. They think they've lost hope. Some even feel like life would be better off without them. I say this every week. You don't have to live like that. Simply taking a step, reaching out for help. It's the gateway to a new day or a new you. And if you or someone you love is struggling, I hope you'll do that. Reach out for help. There are wonderful counselors and pastors who care, who can help you find the hope, the answers that you're looking for. There are also a lot of amazing resources now. I'd love to connect you with some of those. You can find out more up on our [e-mail] that's aacc.net if you'd like to find a Christian mental health leader in your area, check out our new website, ChristianCareConnect.com ChristianCareConnect.com if you have a personal relationship with God, you know what? You can do that right now by asking him to come into your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart to His. Something like this. You can pray it right with me. Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. I believe you died for my sins. I want to turn from my sin, invite you to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you for loving me, for giving your life for me. Jesus, thank you for the gift of grace, forgiveness and the gift of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen. You know what I believe? I believe God heard your prayer. If you prayed that from your heart to his. And you know what the Bible says? John 3:16 says, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And in Romans, I think 10, verse nine, it says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, here's what the Bible says. You will be saved. Best thing you can do if you prayed that prayer again is commit yourself to serving him for the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength and direction to do it. If you're struggling with hopelessness, as a counselor, I want to encourage you. Pick up the phone, call the suicide hotline, talk to someone. That number is simple. 988. Just dial 988. That's the national suicide prevention Lifeline. Hey, before we go, maybe God's gifted you with a heart to help other people. You've been there. You understand this journey. Hope you'll consider being a part of our Mental Health Coach first responder training program. You can enroll right now and be on your way to becoming a board certified mental health coach. Nearly 80,000 people have now enrolled. Everything you need to know about this program is up at Light University. Write this down. Write down lightuniversity.com mental health coach. It's a 42 hour training program featuring some of the world's leading mental health and ministry experts, all on video. You can study 24, 7, 365. The best news this kind of program usually costs about 2,400 bucks. There might be a scholarship up there for someone just like you. Lightuniversity.com Mental Health Coach I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching. See you next week right here on Sunday the road forward on Real America's Voice. Thank you for watching. Goddamn comfy. Goddamn comfy. My favorite thing about Shipt since I signed up for target circle 360. No price markups when I order same day delivery from tons of local stores. Only a handful of alcohol retailers and items don't count. I won't lie, I've had too much fun being like Markups on groceries not in my fridge. Markups on pet food not for my dog. Markups on tools, electronics, home goods, meds. Not in my house anyway. It's awesome. Order [e-mail] 360trees apply.

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