Real America’s Voice – THE ROAD FORWARD – November 9, 2025

Host: Dr. Tim Clinton
Guests: Lucas Miles, Tim Lee, Dr. Carl Benzio, Major General (Ret.) Bob Dees
Published: November 9, 2025

Episode Overview

In this post-election week episode of THE ROAD FORWARD, host Dr. Tim Clinton provides "a word of hope and encouragement" in the face of what he views as troubling developments in American politics and culture. Featuring guests from pastoral, military, and mental health backgrounds, the episode reflects on the implications of the recent election results, the spiritual state of the nation, threats to American values, and honors military veterans for Veterans Day. Throughout, Clinton and guests call for a spiritual and cultural revival rooted in Christianity and traditional American values.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflection on Election Results and American Culture

(Dr. Tim Clinton, Lucas Miles, Tim Lee, Dr. Carl Benzio, Major General Bob Dees)

• Dr. Clinton sets the tone, describing the election results—with Democratic victories in Virginia, New Jersey, and New York City—as "shocking" and signs of a nation in distress.
  • "What a wild week in America. Election week, pretty shocking results...May God guide us all." (03:41)
• Zorin Mamdani's election as New York City mayor is portrayed as the rise of radical Marxist and socialist ideologies.
  • Clinton notes Mamdani's victory speech directly challenged President Trump, which Clinton strongly disapproves of.
• Concern is raised about the cultural and spiritual direction of the country, with a focus on the dangers of "wokeism," "pagan ideology," and moral decline.
  • Lucas Miles: "This pagan threat is real. It's wokeism gone to seed, and it showed its true colors...they are, in fact, pagan." (06:06)
• Several guests reference the September 11 attacks and argue that the memory of such events—and their call for national unity—have been forgotten.

2. Spiritual Crisis and Call for Revival

Guest: Lucas Miles (TPUSA Faith)

• Miles discusses his new book, "Pagan: Confronting America’s Godless Uprising" (with a foreword by Charlie Kirk), and frames current events as part of a spiritual battle in America.
• He remarks on the rapid growth of TPUSA Faith and identifies a "revival" in American churches—but stresses the need to "steward" it well.
  • "Man can't generate revival. The question, though, is how do we steward this moving forward?...God sparks revival. We decide...how long it lasts by being good stewards of the opportunities..." (09:07)
• Miles urges pastors to be bold and teach biblical truth in all areas of life—"in the boardroom, in the bedroom, and at the ballot box."
  • "If we can do those things well, you know, we've got some hope for this nation." (10:37)
• He criticizes "progressive Christianity," arguing that it’s become a vehicle for Marxism and cannot stand as a long-term spiritual force.
  • "Progressive Christianity...is a good short-term vehicle for Marxism, but not a good long-term vehicle...it’s time more than ever for the church to rise up." (12:09)

Memorable Quote:

• "If your pastor wasn't willing to talk about Charlie's martyrdom...you're not in a church that actually is interested in speaking truth to culture." (11:18)

3. Reflections from a Veteran: National Crisis and Hope

Guest: Tim Lee (Evangelist, Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran)

• Lee expresses shock at the perceived radicalization of American politics, referencing both the memory of 9/11 and the recent election of Mamdani:
  • "I'm stunned, to be quite frank with you, because I figured Americans were smarter than this...how short our memories are...we elect, I believe, a communist as a mayor..." (17:58)
• He underscores the need for a "wake up call," worried that America is at risk of being "destroyed from within."
  • "If America's destroyed, she won't be destroyed from without. She will be destroyed from within." (19:43)
• Lee draws hope from what he calls a "spiritual reprieve" after recent threats to President Trump, referencing the assassination of Charlie Kirk as a further call to spiritual action and national revival.

Tim Lee on Veterans and National Defense:

• Lee celebrates a renewed energy in the military under President Trump/Secretary Hegseth, moving away from "experiments" with diversity and back towards unity and strength.
  • "Our military is not up for experiments. It's for fighting and winning wars." (24:07)
• He emphasizes ongoing challenges for veterans—suicide, trauma—including those from recent conflicts:
  • "At least 22, and I think the number is higher, suicides a day among our veterans...we've got to love them and encourage them and help them." (24:35)

Gospel Closing:

Lee closes with a direct Christian gospel message, inviting listeners to personal faith.

• "Our citizenship is in heaven...It's all about the cross. The blood that was shed, the death that was died. And then it's all about an empty tomb, a risen Savior..." (26:11)

4. The Cultural and Psychological Impact of Rapid Social Change

Guest: Dr. Carl Benzio (Christian Psychiatrist, American Association of Christian Counselors)

• Benzio draws on a quote from Voltaire: "When people believe absurdities, they'll commit atrocities." He connects this to modern issues like physician-assisted suicide, gender identity debates, abortion, and relativism:
  • "We’re just seeing atrocities being committed in our community and society. This age of relativism...where everybody gets to do what's right in their own eyes..." (30:53)
• He voices concern over how social upheaval and the breakdown of absolutes impact young people, especially girls:
  • "Girls, high school girls, have twice the level of depression, hopelessness, despair...than males do." (33:08)
• Benzio asserts that chaos emerges when society rejects shared moral ground and objective truth, and says the spiritual answer is resilience and a return to faith-based values.

Memorable Moment:

• "Emotions are a great warning system, terrible decision-making system...Our resilience in adversity comes from a godly perspective, emotional regulation, connection, and understanding the why." (37:58)

5. Veteran Support and National Security

Guest: Major General (Ret.) Bob Dees (CEO, National Center for Healthy Veterans)

• Dees frames recent American history as a time of "serious erosion of our moral high ground," calling for a return to unity and moral leadership:
  • "Christians and conservatives need to act maturely...We need to find common denominators. One is supporting veterans." (43:51)
• He discusses the ongoing importance of "peace through strength," referencing lessons from President Reagan and Trump, and criticizes "wokeness" and non-military priorities infiltrating defense policy.
  • "The moral is to the physical is three is to one...The moral aspect...has been sacrificed by attention on wokeness..." (46:18)
• On foreign policy, Dees expresses concern over Christian persecution abroad, especially in Nigeria, and supports the Trump administration's approach to religious freedom and military intervention.
• Shares testimony from the National Center for Healthy Veterans, highlighting the life-saving impact of their work for at-risk and suicidal veterans.

Memorable Quotes:

• "America needs her veterans now more than ever before—as businessmen, entrepreneurs, coaches, educators, societal role models." (52:45)
• Website—healthyveterans.org—is provided for listeners to refer veterans or support the mission.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Lucas Miles (on cultural change):
  "This pagan threat is real. It's wokeism gone to seed, and it showed its true colors...they are, in fact, pagan." (06:06)

• Tim Lee (on elections):
  "We elect, I believe, a communist as a mayor of the largest city in America...It's stunning to me. Yet at the same time, I haven't given up hope." (17:58)

• Dr. Carl Benzio (on postmodern society):
  "This age of relativism...where everybody gets to do what's right in their own eyes...it will pit one person against another ... and there's going to be a conflict." (30:53)

• Major General Bob Dees (on military strength):
  "The moral is to the physical is three is to one..." (46:18)

• Tim Lee (on gospel message):
  "People don't go to heaven because they're a Baptist...They go to heaven because they receive Jesus Christ...it's all about the cross." (26:11)

• Dr. Tim Clinton (on Veterans Day):
  "What can you do to honor our veterans this week? Pray for our veterans...show your patriotism...visit cemeteries...go to a Veterans Day Parade...visit a veteran." (54:14)

Important Timestamps & Segments

• Opening Prayer / Veterans Day Reflection: (03:41–05:11)
• Lucas Miles Interview (TPUSA Faith, Spiritual Crisis): (05:25–13:39)
• Tim Lee Interview (Veteran, Spiritual & Political Reflections): (17:00–28:14)
• Dr. Carl Benzio Interview (Mental Health, Culture): (30:09–39:42)
• Major General Bob Dees Interview (Veterans, Defense, Leadership): (43:07–53:59)
• Closing Encouragement & Ways to Honor Veterans: (54:14–55:56)

Tone & Language

The episode adopts an urgent, passionate tone, expressing deep concern over current political and cultural trends but offering hope anchored in Christian faith, revival within the church, and the resilience of American veterans. There is frequent use of biblical references, appeals to patriotism, and calls to action—both spiritual and civic.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode of THE ROAD FORWARD blends post-election analysis, spiritual reflection, and veteran appreciation through a Christian conservative lens. Listeners hear a strong critique of progressive movements and leadership in politics, urgent warnings about the loss of national and spiritual identity, and repeated calls for bold, faith-driven action in churches, the public square, and personal life. The celebration of Veterans Day is entwined with gratitude, stories of resilience, and a call to honor those who serve. The panel of guests—from clergy to psychiatrists to decorated soldiers—underscores the belief that America’s future depends on both spiritual revival and steadfast defense of traditional values.

For more content and resources:

• tpsafaith.com (Find local churches supporting revival)
• lucasmiles.org (Lucas Miles' book & ministry)
• healthyveterans.org (Support & refer veterans)

Veterans Day Action Items:

• Pray for veterans, display patriotism, attend or recognize Veterans Day events, and offer personal gratitude to service members.