THE ROAD FORWARD - OCTOBER 12TH, 2025

Summary

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Real America’s Voice – THE ROAD FORWARD – October 12, 2025

Host: Dr. Tim Clinton
Featured Guests: Ralph Reed, Michele Bachmann, Dr. Shauna Anderson, Heidi St. John
Theme: “A Word of Hope and Encouragement in Challenging Times – Faith, Culture, and America’s Future”

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Episode Overview

This episode of “The Road Forward” delivers a faith-centered analysis of major political and cultural developments shaping contemporary America. Host Dr. Tim Clinton brings together prominent conservative voices to discuss the anniversary of the October 7th, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, the American faith revival and its societal implications, ongoing government shutdown debates, the battle for religious freedoms, and confronting challenges in education and culture. The conversation blends policy, spirituality, and personal encouragement, urging listeners to hold fast to hope and shared values in uncertain times.

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1. Remembering the October 7, 2023 Attack on Israel

Guest: Ralph Reed
Timestamps: [03:11] – [12:23]

• Dr. Clinton opens by reflecting on the two-year anniversary of the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel, highlighting ongoing needs for the return of hostages and a stance against violence and terror.

• The conversation stresses the program's deep support for Israel, with references to Prime Minister Netanyahu’s remarks and an emotional recounting of the attack’s brutality:

  • “Infants, children and elderly people were brutally and horrifically murdered by Hamas terrorists. 251 men and women were abducted into the terror tunnels of the Gaza Strip.” — Dr. Tim Clinton [03:11]

• Ralph Reed, founder of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, recounts his personal visits to the affected sites in Israel, using vivid descriptions to emphasize the moral stakes:

  • “I have visited those kibbutzes…I have walked through the streets and into the houses in Kafar Esa…where people were not only murdered and raped and decapitated and hacked to death, but were burned alive in their safe rooms.” — Ralph Reed [10:43]
  • He expresses strong support for Israeli security and the need to remove Hamas’ governing authority in Gaza:
    “If there’s a way to get all the hostages dead or alive out, and make sure that Hamas has no authority in Gaza ever again and is disarmed, I’m for that.” — Ralph Reed [11:38]

• Both Clinton and Reed call for prayer and continued advocacy for a just and lasting peace, not a “surrender to Hamas."

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2. Government Shutdown and Policy Disputes

Guest: Ralph Reed
Timestamps: [06:26] – [09:42]

• Discussion frames the ongoing government shutdown as a result of sharp partisan divides, particularly focused on healthcare (Obamacare) policy.
  • Reed recalls previous shutdowns as political maneuvers: “A lot of this…has been policy disputes. And shutting down the government was a way to kind of increase the pain on the other side…hoping to get policy concessions…That was the case for us in 2013. It didn’t work then. It’s not going to work now.” — Ralph Reed [07:03]
• Reed critiques the current healthcare system as unaffordable and calls for a principled stand against expanding government-run healthcare: “We should not cave on a program that does not work, that is not affordable. We need to create a more humane and caring and affordable alternative.” — Ralph Reed [09:20]
• Clinton notes the shutdown’s broad impacts, citing polling and national travel issues.

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3. The Faith Surge and American Revival

Guest: Michele Bachmann
Timestamps: [17:22] – [23:38]

• Clinton and Bachmann discuss the passing of Christian leaders (notably Dr. James Dobson), reflecting on his legacy and faith-driven leadership.

• Bachmann shares personal stories illustrating Dobson’s commitment to family and ministry, stressing the importance of the local church: “Other than Dr. Billy Graham, no one had more influence on the generation than Dr. James Dobson…He stood for all the right things.” — Michele Bachmann [18:22]

• The episode highlights a documented “faith surge” in America:

  • “America is in revival. Church attendance is up 15% across America, and the bulk of that increase is young people…and of the young people, the bulk is young males. So we’re seeing a new happening in America.” — Michele Bachmann [21:37-21:57]

• Bachmann distinguishes between “revival” (spiritual awakening at an individual level) and a true “Great Awakening” (societal transformation through discipleship and obedience).

• Both urge churches and believers to “disciple” new believers for sustained cultural change.

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4. Israel, Disinformation, and Influence on Campuses

Guest: Michele Bachmann
Timestamps: [23:38] – [26:29]

• Bachmann details the spread of anti-Israel sentiment, attributing much to foreign influence, especially from Qatar: “Qatar…have been spending a lot of money on propaganda all over the world, but specifically in the U.S…They’ve put their money where their mouth is. They believe in terrorism. They believe in killing Jews. They believe in wiping Israel off the map and destroying the Jewish state. $200 billion.” — Michele Bachmann [24:23]
• She warns of shifting attitudes among young Christian conservatives and points to the creation of the “Israel Institute” at Regent University to counteract misinformation and teach “truth and facts.”

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5. Religious Liberty and Therapy: The Supreme Court Case

Guest: Dr. Shauna Anderson
Timestamps: [29:56] – [38:44]

• Dr. Clinton and Dr. Anderson discuss a landmark counseling case argued before the U.S. Supreme Court. The issue centers on freedom of speech for therapists counseling minors about same-sex attraction and gender identity.

  • Anderson highlights the principle of "viewpoint discrimination": “You can be in counseling…for affirmation…but not if you want to actually explore change in those areas. If you no longer want to have same sex attraction or actually seek to have your gender correspond with your body.” — Dr. Shauna Anderson [32:28]
  • She clarifies that the crux of the legal battle is not about “conversion therapy” but about the ability for therapists to engage in “talk therapy” consistent with clients’ religious convictions and self-determination.

• Dr. Anderson argues such government restrictions on licensed counselors violate religious liberty and professional practice standards: “The liberal left activists have hijacked our field and they’re really trying to impose their way of doing things…it really violates our freedom to be able to do the work that we’ve been trained to do, that our faith encourages…It’s not the government’s position to tell us how to do our work.” — Dr. Shauna Anderson [37:36]

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6. Cultural Shift, Education, and Political Realignment

Guest: Heidi St. John
Timestamps: [43:35] – [52:53]

• Clinton and St. John revisit the “faith surge,” focusing on increased church attendance—especially among young men—following the assassination of Charlie Kirk and rising dissatisfaction with "woke" institutions and figures. “We need Jesus. We need the Lord in our lives. And I think we’re seeing that…People are going back to church…revival that’s happening even on the streets of Portland is real.” — Heidi St. John [44:21]

• St. John comments on crime, open borders, and urban decay, particularly in Portland and other Democratic-led cities, expressing hope that a political and practical shift is coming: “Normal people don’t want that. And Trump is reading the room. This is why you see…hardened Democrats going, okay, thanks. Nevermind, we didn’t like the crime.” — Heidi St. John [47:09]

• The importance of battling “confusion” and destructive ideologies is emphasized: “The enemy is the author of confusion…When you can’t understand why Governor Newsom in California doesn’t want his state to succeed, he would rather see it fail than admit that his state is in crisis…God is not the author of confusion, he is the author of peace.” — Heidi St. John [49:14]

• St. John warns of the urgent crisis in American education, tracing radical cultural and political trends to activist professors and teachers: “They are in our grade schools, our high schools, and our universities. And so we need to pay attention…If we don’t address the crisis in education…it is a five-alarm fire.” — Heidi St. John [51:14]

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7. Hope, Encouragement, and a Call to Action

Host Closing Thoughts
Timestamps: [52:59] – [End]

• Dr. Clinton concludes with a message of spiritual encouragement and practical hope, quoting Ephesians 6:10-12 and urging listeners to rely on faith during challenging times.
• He addresses mental health and suicide prevention, encouraging those struggling to seek professional and pastoral help, and offers information on Christian counseling networks and training for aspiring mental health coaches. “I’ve learned as a professional counselor that it’s normal to have concerns, maybe some fear or worry…If you or someone you love is struggling, I hope you’ll…reach out for help.” — Dr. Tim Clinton [approximately 57:15]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Faith is back in America. A faith surge, really. And everyone is talking about God right now. What a wonderful thing.”
  — Dr. Tim Clinton [03:11]
• “America is in revival…statistically in a revival… Church attendance is up 15% across America. The bulk of that increase is young people.”
  — Michele Bachmann [21:37]
• “We need to continue to pray into this continued revival…that God would turn this current revival…into a real awakening in our country that will change the nation.”
  — Michele Bachmann [22:44]
• “God is not the author of confusion, he is the author of peace…As God’s people, I think we can step back and look at this and go, oh hey, we know who’s behind this. And it is the enemy. It is the spirit of this age.”
  — Heidi St. John [49:14]

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Key Takeaways

• Faith and culture are intertwined in America’s current moment; a “revival” is posited as swelling in the aftermath of national tragedy and social unrest.
• Support for Israel remains a core conservative value, with criticism of foreign influence and disinformation campaigns targeting young Americans.
• Political division, particularly over healthcare and government shutdowns, is framed as symptomatic of deeper issues regarding truth, values, and leadership.
• The fight for religious liberty in counseling and mental health is a present and urgent concern, with significant ramifications for freedom of speech and faith-based practice.
• Transformation of America’s future is seen as contingent on addressing the educational “crisis”—counteracting ideological indoctrination is positioned as the next great battleground.

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Additional Resources & Further Engagement

• For encouragement and updates:
  • Follow Dr. Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X (formerly Twitter)
• Christian counseling resources:
  • aacc.net
  • ChristianCareConnect.com
• Training:
  • LightUniversity.com Mental Health Coach program
• Suicide Prevention Lifeline:
  • Dial 988

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This summary encapsulates the episode’s major conversations, insights, and moments of inspiration and challenge, emphasizing the recurring themes of cultural struggle, faith-fueled hope, and the call for renewal through spiritual revival and principled civic engagement.

Transcript

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Welcome in to Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday the Road Forward. A word of hope and encouragement for you and those you love, especially in these challenging times. I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. I'll be your host. Our special guest joining us this week, he's the founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. Ralph Reed is with us. She represented Minnesota's 6th congressional district in the United States House of Representatives for eight years, currently serves as Dean of the Robertson School of Government and at Regent University. Michele Bachmann is back with us. She is a clinical and forensic psychologist, trauma and addictions expert. Dr. Shawn A. Anderson is with us and she is a best selling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidi St. John is back with us. Thanks for watching. Oh come let us adore him.

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

This week we were reminded of the horrific and evil attack on Israel two years ago, October 7, 2023 and the need for resolve, including bringing home the rest of the hostages. We stand with Israel and we shall never forget that there is no place in our world for violence and terror like we witnessed there. Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, said, we paid a very painful price. Infants, children and elderly people were brutally and horrifically murdered by Hamas terrorists. 251 men and women were abducted into the terror tunnels of the Gaza Strip. Well, faith is back in America. A faith surge, really. And everyone is talking about God right now. What a wonderful thing. In the aftermath of the horrific assassination of TPUSA leader Charlie Kirk, TP USA events are continuing. Virginia Tech, Utah State University packing the places out this week they were at Montana State University. It's quite moving, really. And church attendance is on the rise. People are asking, will faith shape America's next chapter? I think so. Hey, when you look at social media and what's happening in Chicago, Portland and other cities, though Americans continue to be concerned and fearful about potential acts of violence and terrorism in their communities. And again, rightfully so, people are also wondering too, what about this government shutdown and when is it going to end? The Schumer shutdown is looking pretty bad for the Dems every day. New poll Americans want Democrats to end the shutdown 70% oppose the government shutdown. 65% say Democrats should accept the Republican clean nonpartisan resolution. 55% say Democrats are just trying to please their base. As a result, we're seeing nationwide flight disruptions and the FAA is warning of staff shortages. Hey, in times like these, our hope, our strength, it always comes from the Lord. Here's a great verse to hold onto this week. Ephesians 6, 10, 12 finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggles not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against the powers of this dark world, against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. I want to pray and ask God to guide us. Our program today. God be with us. I pray a special blessing over this broadcast. Use it for your glory. Thank you for your faithfulness, God, even in the midst of these dark times, you are with us. And it's to that end I pray in Jesus name. Amen. Let's get started. For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow Dr. Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life. Joining us now is conservative political activist Ralph Reed. He's the founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. He's offered several bestselling books. His columns have appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, National Review, many more. Ralph, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.

[Ben Ferguson]

Thank you, Tim. Always a pleasure.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Ralph, we're in the middle of this government shutdown thing. The Dems, I think they're looking worse by the day. I saw a new poll that came out this week. 70% oppose the government shutdown, 65% say Democrats should accept the Republicans. Kind of clean, nonpartisan, continuing resolution. Ralph, people, you know, when things drag out like this, it gets a little confusing. People are like, what in the world really is happening and why? Why can't they get to a resolution? We've been down this road before, Ralph, but what are your thoughts on where we're at right now?

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, generally, you know, I've been through multiple shutdowns.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Yeah.

[Ben Ferguson]

You know, going all the way back to the famous or infamous 95, 96 shutdown, which, frankly, Tim, probably cost us the White House in 1996. The most recent ones were 2013, when we shut it down because we were trying to defund Obamacare, then 2018, and now this one when they're trying to get more funding for Obamacare. So a lot of this, to be clear, has been policy disputes. And shutting down the government was a way to kind of increase the pain on the other side in the hopes of getting policy concessions that you otherwise wouldn't get because you're in the minority. That was the case for us in 2013. We didn't have the votes to repeal Obamacare, but we were trying to do it by shutting the government down. Tim, it didn't work then. It's not going to work now. And let's be clear about what's going on here. We warned everybody in 2009 and 10 when Obamacare was passed that his promise that if you wanted to keep your doctor, you could, that it would be affordable, that premiums were not going to go up was all a lie. And that's exactly what's happened. So when Biden won in 2020, the first thing they did to try and shore Obamacare up because the premiums aren't affordable on the exchanges. Tim, this is government run health care with lots of mandates. It's very expensive. We warned them not to do that, but because of their friends in the unions, they tried to create these Cadillac plans, you know, for their constituency, and the result is they're unaffordable. So when Biden got in to try and save it, they created these additional, they call them tax credits. They're really just subsidies to insurance companies so that people can afford their premiums. And I think we should not cave on this. We should not cave on a program that does not work, that is not affordable. We need to create a more humane and caring and affordable alternative. You know, preventative care policies get people in high risk pools with people with previous conditions. We don't want anybody to be denied healthcare, but there's a better way. And this is a huge opportunity for us. But we cannot cave on the issue of massive taxpayer subsidies on top of massive taxpayer spending on a broken system.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Yeah, I saw where the FFA or flights are being delayed, et cetera. This thing's going to start getting a little bit more public and painful. Presidents can use some tariff money to help solve some things on the other side. It's interesting, Ralph, how it's all going to play out. Hey, let's jump to Israel real quick. This week, October 7th, second anniversary of what took place on that day in 2023, Ralph. Horrific, evil Hamas terrorizing Israel. Here we are with the situation right now over there, this peace plan. Where do you see this thing at? Ralph, I know the deep love you have for Israel. You've been there many times. You stand strong with Israel. Take us down this road together.

[Ben Ferguson]

Well, you know, look, I give the President an enormous amount of credit for doing everything he can to end this conflict and do it in ways that will disarm Hamas and make sure that Hamas has no governing authority in Gaza ever again.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Right.

[Ben Ferguson]

And for me, you know, Tim, those are my markers. I have visited those kibbutzes. I have visited the, the music festival grounds, the Nova music festival grounds, where most of the people lost their lives and were taken hostage. Yeah, I've walked through the streets and into the houses in Kafar esa, which was one of the kibbutzes where people were not only murdered and raped and decapitated and hacked to death, but were burned alive in their safe rooms. You Know, many of these neighborhoods or kibbutzes, they had safe rooms that the terrorists couldn't break into and breach. So what they did was they just poured gasoline and tires on top of the houses and just burned these people alive. These people are sick. They're genocidal terrorists. And if there's a way to get all the hostages dead or alive out and make sure that Hamas has no authority in Gaza ever again and is disarmed, I'm for that. I am not for anything that allows Hamas to remain armed or play any role in any governing authority in Gaza or anywhere else in the future. And for me, this is not political, it's personal. But I give the President and his team enormous credit and we need to pray for them and hope that we can have a ceasefire and ultimately peace again, a just peace, a righteous peace, not a surrender to Hamas. We can't have that.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Tim, Ralph Reed, always great to have you. Thank you for joining me.

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Thank you, Tim.

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The truth became a web of lies.

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It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

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Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

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Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

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We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

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Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

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Join us now is former US Representative from the great state of Minnesota, the Honorable Michele Bachmann. She was the very first Republican woman from Minnesota elected into the U.S. house of Representatives, where she served four congressional terms. She's the author of the bestselling book Corps of Conviction. She now serves as dean of the Robertson School of Government at Regent University in Virginia Beach. Michelle, welcome. Thank you for joining us.

[Michele Bachmann]

Great to be back with you, Tim.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Michelle, as we get started over the weekend, you and I, along with a number of others, we were in dender for the memorial service for Dr. James C. Dobson. I was reflecting just for a moment, Michelle, about this has been quite a year. We've had a number of lions, if you will, of the faith, go on to be with the Lord. John MacArthur, Vodie Bachman, Kay Arthur, Charlie Kirk. But Dr. James Dobson and what a service it was. Michelle, I know you serve on the board for Family Talk. I just wanted to get some reflections from you about Dr. Dobson, his life and that service.

[Michele Bachmann]

Well, he, as you know, he loved you, Tim. Dr. Dobson loved you and appreciated you so much. And he would he really defined our generation. I'm so grateful to have him. I was a very young mother, a young woman, even before our children were born. When I first started listening to him, he changed the trajectory of my family, of our children's lives, and he did that. That was replicated in family after family. And I think for his generation, my opinion is that other than Dr. Billy Graham, no one had more influence on the generation than Dr. James Dobson. He was a profound influence for the Lord, for life, for public policy, for the gospel being transmitted, for discipleship. He stood for all the right things. And I thank God for the salt and light that was his life. And you knew up until the very end of his life, Tim, as did I, and he was still engaged and active. God put into him the spirit of a lion that he just, he was never going to stop. He was high intellect and high biblical faith, but so much fun, so down to earth, probably one of the most humble people you'd ever meet. And he is what you saw, what you heard on the radio, that is who he was. Very loving, wonderful man. And he got great tributes from his two children, his adult children, Danae and Ryan, they said that our father was always there for us. In fact, Danae said he installed a private phone in his office so that my mom, his wife Shirley, and my brother and I, we could call him anytime. And literally, we call him during a board meeting or whenever it was for any reason. And he would take the call because he wanted his children to know that they were always first, as he wanted Shirley to know that. And Ryan said the same thing. Boy, if my children will say that of me at the end of my life, I will die a happy woman. So I'm just so proud of Dr. Dobson, his ministry, what he accomplished. And both you and I know, Tim, that the Lord said to this wonderful, beautiful man, well done, good and faithful servant, indeed.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Michelle. You know, there's so many stories around Dr. Dobson and so many strong statements, but I remember one in particular. Michelle. We were in a board meeting. I don't. Can't remember why we were there, but it was the brand new boardroom of Focus on the Family when they moved to Colorado Springs. A number of religious leaders around the room. And he looked at everyone in the room and paused for a moment and then kind of teared up quite a bit. And he said these words. We need to pray that the church would awaken and take her rightful place. He said, until then, parachurch organizations like Focus on the Family have to exist and stand in the gap. But he said, the real power is in the church, the people of God coming along. And Michelle, that was always his mantra. It was about the gospel and the people of God coming together to stand strong, if you will, for the family, but for righteousness and culture and so much more. Just your take on that particular thought, especially in light of where we are in culture today.

[Michele Bachmann]

Well, the good news today is that America is in revival. We had David and Tim Barton on the Regent campus last week. And, you know, David was originally a mathematician and a scientist. He loves statistics. And so we are statistically in a revival. Church attendance is up 15% across America, and the bulk of that increase is young people. And of the young people, the bulk is young males. So we're seeing a new happening in America. We need to continue to pray into this continued revival. But David and Tim Barton gave another great message. He said, you know, we've had revivals in America for 150 years, but we haven't seen the societal change that we had hoped to see. He said, why is that? America had several great awakenings. That's when we saw the difference. That's when we saw societal change. Well, what's the difference between revival, which is regeneration of a new man coming to Jesus Christ Christ and awakening? The difference is this. It is discipleship. It is does the individual who experiences new birth in Jesus Christ, did they develop a hunger and a thirst for the Word and a hunger and thirst for righteousness and did they obey the Word? So do they read the Word, listen to the Word and do they obey the world? That's our prayer now. That God would turn this current revival of which we praise him into a real awakening in our country that will change the nation when we bathe ourselves in the world Word and the churches and then live to obey the Word. And that's what's so exciting. Dr. Dobson was always about the local church. And so we need to pray for our pastors, our churches encourage our pastors and churches to be bold and preach the word, but then disciple those who are in front of them. Not just salvation only, but then disciple the new people who are coming into the faith.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Michelle, I wanted to ask you about Israel. I know of your deep love for the nation of Israel and you have spent a lot of time and a lot of your focus, your professional career is around Israel. Michelle, in light of this last week, October 7th, the second anniversary of that horrific attack on Israel, October 7th, 2023, what a nightmare. Hamas, evil terrorist organization trying to figure all this out. Michelle, in light of where we are right now, what do you see happening? I know that they're trying to negotiate a peace agreement between Hamas and Israel, but what do you think is going to happen?

[Michele Bachmann]

Well, we are in a very interesting time. It is the second year anniversary. It just happened yesterday on October 7th. Today is October 8th and we held an event here for we started the Israel Institute on the Regent University campus. We held our second event commemorating that event. We've held Israel events here on campus for many, many years. We've always been a pro Israel campus. But I think the difference is, and this is stark, people need to know this. For the last two years, the the nation that is the chief funder of terrorism against Israel is Qatar. Qatar is one of the wealthiest nations in the world. They only, they're only the size of Pittsburgh. They have 330,000 people, but they control 14% of all the natural gas in the world. So they are loaded with money. So they've been spending a lot of money on propaganda all over the world, but specifically in the U.S. do you know that Qatar has spent about $200 billion with a B on college campuses in the United States, on social media and also on newsrooms across the United States. They've, they put their money where their mouth is. They believe in terrorism. They believe in killing Jews. They believe in wiping Israel off the map and destroying the Jewish state. $200 billion. That's why the polling data says for young conservative Christians. They've actually turned away from Israel. This is shocking. Israel was the one that was attacked, not just by one nation, by Hamas. They were attacked by seven different Islamic nations trying to destroy the Jewish state. And so now people see that Israel's the bad guy. That's only because Qatar has successfully spent $200 billion to feed lies to students. That's why we started the Israel Institute. We want to give this generation truth and facts. And so that's what we're about, is truth and facts. And ultimately, Tim, you and I both know the truth prevails.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Amen. Michele Bachman, what a delight to have you. Thank you for joining me.

[Michele Bachmann]

Thank you, Tim.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Coming up next, she is a clinical and forensic psychologist. Trauma and addictions expert Dr. Shawna Anderson is with us. For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow Dr. Tim claim on Facebook, Instagram and X. We love being a part of your life.

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[Senator Ted Cruz]

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[Leon Neyfak]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Michele Bachmann]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

[Leon Neyfak]

Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

[Leon Neyfak]

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

[Ben Ferguson]

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Joining us now is Dr. Shanae Anderson. She's a licensed clinical psychologist, forensic psychologist, trauma and addiction specialist, noted speaker and co director of the ethics and advocacy division for the American association of Christian Counselors. She also serves as director of psychology for us. Dr. Shanae, welcome. Thank you for joining me.

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

Thank you for having me, Tim.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Shauna, we're on the heels of what I thought was one of the most magnificent events aacc, the American association of Christian Counselors, has ever had. We are at the magnificent Opryland Hotel, Nashville, Tennessee. We're sold out 7,000, quote, mental health and ministry leaders representing all 50 states and what some 30 plus countries around the world that we had documented. And Shauna, it was a glorious time. I think from the opening night with our kickoff speakers and Chris Tomlin in concert, I think we held the pedal to the metal the whole way through the event. I really felt special anointing of God while we were there. God's doing something. Shauna, your take on the whole event.

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

It was absolutely amazing. I think truly the best ever. And I'VE been receiving a lot of feedback from a lot of people that that's the case. And I think things have been very dark recently. And to have so many believers meeting together of one mind, one heart, one spirit, coming together to worship, glorify God and in the mental health field was, was just the most beautiful experience.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

We had a lot of special moments while we were there. We honored our good friend Dr. Greg Jantz, who went on to be with the lord. Tragic accident July 4th. We had a moment where we honored Dr. James Dobson, had his son Ryan come. Dr. Dobson passed away there in August and his memorial service was just this past weekend. But hey, Shauna, a couple other things that happened there, but one of them in particular was a moment where we had the ADF Alliance Defending Freedom come and court case that this week went before the Supreme Court therapist out of Colorado Springs. I think it was Kaylee Childs. That whole moment, Shauna, was really significant. But can you set up for us a little bit about what her case is about and what was argued before the Supreme Court this week?

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

Sure. Kaylee Childs is a licensed professional counselor in Colorado and she filed a complaint in 2022 about the law that they have restricting a counselor's speech in a session with a minor if it is about same sex attraction or gender identity issues that we are only allowed to affirm. And she said this is not okay because I have clients that really want to explore change in these areas. And so she filed suit in that case again in 2022 and sadly was losing at every level. And it brought us up to the Supreme Court yesterday where we heard arguments on it. And I'm actually very, very excited about how it went. I think that the court is leaning in our direction and they really understand that this is an issue of freedom of speech. And one of the things that I had never heard of, but I love the phrase of viewpoint discrimination that you can be in counseling or psychotherapy for affirmation if you want to encourage your same sex attraction or gender identity changes, but not if you want to actually explore change in those areas. If you no longer want to have same sex attraction or actually seek to have your gender correspond with your body. And I'm really prayerfully excited about where this could land.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Shauna, you're talking about activities in the counseling office that respect client self determination. In other words, your freedom to choose a direction you want to go or a parent's freedom to choose. And at the same time offering up some type of evidence based type work as a part of this journey that respects clients sincerely held religious beliefs is what we're talking about. And not having that kind of alignment you believe actually creates harm the other way against these children and against these families. And so the freedom in a context there to be professional in the process is what we're talking about, right?

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

Absolutely. I think that what has got confounded here is the term conversion therapy. And conversion therapy was a term that was coined back in the 50s when we were talking about extreme behaviorism techniques such as shock therapy and, and aversive behavioral techniques that were used across the board for mental health disorders, not just homosexuality, which at that time was considered a mental illness. What we recognize now is that there are evidence based treatments that have been found to be effective in actually changing someone's attraction, whether it's to the same sex or opposite sex, that there is the possibility of change if you want to correspond with your sincerely held religious beliefs. And I think that's where a lot of people get confused. I think people think we're still engaging in these barbaric techniques that have been abandoned decades ago. But what we're doing is really good treatment and really allowing self determination for individuals who because of their faith really seek to have their gender and their. Their sexual attraction alignment with how God made them.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Shauna, at the heart of the case that was presented to the Supreme Court, it was not really about conversion therapy. It was about talk therapy and freedom of speech though. And that's an important distinction too. Can you explain that to us?

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

I think that was part of the confusion is that I believe some people think we are engaging in these barbaric actions and what we're doing is talk therapy. That is psychotherapy, that is what is counseling. And what I found interesting in the argument that the opposing side was noting is that life coaches, religious pastors and people like lay counselors can engage in this behavior, but licensed professionals cannot. And that's where I don't think they really have any idea that we are sitting here discussing with our clients or our patients, just their thoughts and their feelings and their perceptions, their beliefs about their sexuality, about their faith. It's really doing traditional psychotherapy, not this barbaric, outdated treatments that nobody's been doing for a very, very long time.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Shanae. And with that, we also, you and I have had conversation about religious liberty infringements in mental health education and services. And it's important that people step back and take a look at this because you're talking about potentially telling people what they can and can't do in the therapeutic office, which violates really our constitutional rights, if you will, that we have freedom of religion here. And this should play out in the right way inside mental health care.

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

Well, it's funny you mentioned that last night I teach at Liberty University and walked into class and shared with my class that something happened yesterday that is really going to impact their education, their training and moving forward as psychologists and that they need to become aware of what is going on. Because I really feel that the liberal left activists have hijacked our field and they're really trying to impose their way of doing things and it really violates our freedom to be able to do the work that we've been trained to do, that our faith encourages us and supports us to do. And it's not the government's position to.

[Heidi St. John]

Tell us how to do our work.

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

And in fact, this is the only area, if you look at all the mental health disorders, this is the only area where the government is saying, yeah, you can't do therapy the way in which you want to do it. You have to do it this way.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Hey, thank you again for taking time to join us. And hey, we'll have you back because there's a lot more to discuss in this area. Thank you for joining me.

[Dr. Shauna Anderson]

Thank you.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Coming up next, she is a best selling author, speaker, podcaster. Heidi St. John is back with us. You know, I realize there are a lot of choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service. And there are a lot of new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for and that's Patriot Mobile. Here's the best part. You can use the promo code road forward for a free month of service right now. You know, for more than 12 years, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while at the same time providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have made the switch and they're now supporting causes they believe in simply by joining Patriot Mobile. I sure have. Switching, by the way, is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or even upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team. They're standing by right now to take care of you. You can call the number 972-patriot972patriot right now. Or go to patriotmobile.com road forward use the promo code Road Forward for a free month of Service. That's right, patriotmobile.com road forward or call 972 Patriot and make the switch. Today.

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[Leon Neyfak]

When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why Benghazi?

[Senator Ted Cruz]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Leon Neyfak]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Michele Bachmann]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi?

[Leon Neyfak]

Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

[Leon Neyfak]

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

[Ben Ferguson]

Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

[Leon Neyfak]

I'm Leon Nayfak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

What difference at this point does it make? Yes, that's right. Lock her up.

[Leon Neyfak]

Listen to Fiasco Benghazi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ben Ferguson]

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[Senator Ted Cruz]

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[Ben Ferguson]

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[Senator Ted Cruz]

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[Ben Ferguson]

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[Senator Ted Cruz]

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[Ben Ferguson]

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[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Joining us now is Heidi St. John. She's a best selling author, podcaster, speaker, mom to seven children, bunch of grandchildren, strong and fearless voice for the family and righteousness and culture. Heidi, welcome back. Thank you for joining me.

[Heidi St. John]

Hi, my friend. Thank you for having me.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Heidi, want to talk to you about upfront, the faith surge that we see going on in culture. Everybody's talking about God. I'm serious. In the aftermath, I think of the assassination of TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk. Hey, by the way, those events, Virginia Tech, Utah State University, Montana State University, this week, packed out. It's amazing. People are showing up in mass. And you know what else, too? People are going back to church. Heidi, it's pretty amazing. What do you, what do you attribute all of it to?

[Heidi St. John]

Well, I think we have a tremendous need for God in this country and people are starting to realize that the lies that we've been peddled to by the radical left in this country and the things that are coming out of our woke universities and frankly woke churches are just not cutting it. We need Jesus. We need the Lord in our lives. And I think we're seeing that, that response to Charlie Kirk's assassination happen worldwide. It's not just happening in the United States. Also, there were baptisms in downtown Portland the other day. So I live about 35 minutes outside of Portland, Oregon. And I can tell you right now that the revival that's happening even on the streets of Portland is real. And we have an opportunity to read the room as God's people and engage and I hope that we see more of it. I think that we will.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Heidi, a lot of people are asking, do you think faith will shape America's next chapter? I have a feeling that it will. Hey, you know, an interesting piece too, is that when they look at the demographics, young men in particular, biggest demographic coming back to or coming to Christ, faith in Jesus. Pretty impressive.

[Heidi St. John]

Yeah. And again, I mean, so much of, I think what we're seeing happen is, you know, my generation really was part of the problem generations before me. Z isn't buying it the generation, you know, Gen Xers were trying to, we, you know, everybody's trying to go to college and trying to figure out the thing to do. We realize that this is a little bit too little, a little bit too late. Gen Z is not buying it. We're watching men going back to church in record numbers. Women realizing that they bought the lie of feminism and it doesn't make you happy. I love that part of Charlie Kirk's message was get married, have children, take your family to church. These are the foundations upon which our country was built. And to see that younger generation coming back to it is so encouraging to someone like me. We've been praying, I know you have to, Dr. Tim, for a long time to see revival come to this country. And I'm praying that God uses the very, very difficult road that we are walking as a nation right now to shake us and wake us to return to the things that made this nation great. It's exciting. What, what a time to be a Christians. I feel like we say that all the time on your show, Heidi.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

There's a lot of fear and concern out there. However, you and I've had many conversations about the open borders and what happened under the Biden administration. And Heidi, fast forward to where we are right now. It's interesting. Make America safe again. The President's on this journey, straightened up DC got a hold of that pretty quick, but started looking at Memphis and Chicago. And then you mentioned Portland where you're pretty close there. What a mess that's going on right now. Seriously, it's like a big standoff. There's a throwdown going on. Just your take. What are you hearing out of Portland, I guess first of all.

[Heidi St. John]

Well, I mean, I have to laugh at what makes the news. So I was watching, you know, I just flew home from Hawaii the other night and I was watching the news on my flight and there was a group of, you know, older people, probably in their 70s and 80s, these white haired liberals on the corner singing this land is your land, this land is my land. And I want to go up to them and go, the reason that we can't have nice things is because of you guys. Okay? So don't stand here on the corner and sing your dumb little song and expect it's going to make any difference. The people in Portland, Oregon or want change. They are tired of the crime in their streets. They're tired of the open drug use, tired of the open borders. And so when the mainstream media comes in and says Portland doesn't want change, Portland loves antifa, they love the writing. Come down and watch people defecate on the streets of Portland. It's fantastic. Normal people don't want that. And Trump is reading the room. This is why you see people in Memphis getting on camera, you know, hardened Democrats going, okay, thanks. Nevermind, we didn't, we didn't like the crime. Same thing is happening in Chicago and I know it will happen in Portland once, once the, the hardcore leftists in this country lose their battle in court, which they will, and President Trump will come in and clean up the streets of Portland. People here are hungry for it. The President knows it. And I for one am glad to see it happen. I love Portland, Oregon. It is a beautiful city and the leftists and antifa have ruined the city and made it unsafe. And the people are, the normal citizens there are hungry and ready for the feds to come in and start cleaning up the streets of Portland, doing the job that the mayor himself and the police, police chief can't or won't do.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Whatever money's behind this move with antifa, etc, some of somebody's got to dig all this stuff out and expose it all because it's unbelievable. And what they do is they team up with the media and then you see this grandstanding out of Washington, you know, that's going on with the government shutdown. And then it's like a mass formation type thing. These people just quote, fall in line. They don't even care. They don't even care what the issues are anymore. Everything they, they said they stood for, they don't even stand for anymore. It makes no sense to me, Heidi.

[Heidi St. John]

No, it doesn't make any sense at all. And it's because the enemy is the author of confusion. And so when you see things that don't make sense, when you can't understand why Governor Newsom in California doesn't want his state to succeed, he would rather see it fail than admit that his state is in crisis. This is the same thing going on in Washington state and in Oregon. It's this, it is the case conf. It is confusion. And God is not the author of confusion. He is the author of peace. And so as God's people, I think we can step back and look at this and go, oh hey, we know who's behind this. And it is the enemy. It is the spirit of this age. It is the deceit that we see in social media, from social media influencers and from government officials. And God's people have an opportunity right now to quiet their hearts. Do A little bit of self reflection. Ask the Lord to help us use our voices in ways that will bring lasting and good change to the country.

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[Heidi St. John]

And then walk it out in obedience. Because I think the nation is shifting. We're realizing that the tactics of the radical left do not work. They bring death and destruction with them everywhere they're implemented. This is true in every blue city across the country. And I think people are finally starting to wake up to it.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

The go woke, go broke slogan. Well, I'll tell you what, it's true. Bud Light wound up in a mess. Target stores got into a mess. We saw recently the next Netflix got all kinds of craziness going their way because Elon Musk even came at him and said, hey, listen, he's sick of what they're trying to pump out there in terms of content around our kids. And country music singer Zach Bryan coming out with this song this week in social media. Man, oh, man, he's getting hammered. I know. Kristi Noem, she came at him pretty strong. Seriously. He's coming against ICE and more. John Rich said, hey, we're gonna wait and see how country music fans really think about, you know, ICE agents and more. Heidi, what's. What in the world's behind all this insanity? How come? It's just amazing to me where the left is and where they're going.

[Heidi St. John]

Well, they. What it's happened is, and I've said this, you know, dozens of times on your show for a long time now, it is coming out of our education system. We need to pay attention to what's happening in our universities and on our high school campuses around the country, because, honestly, it will not matter if we have a greater election in, you know, three and a half years from now. And we, let's say we get J.D. vance in there for another eight years, it will not be enough to stem the tide of radicals that are coming out of our institutions by the hundreds of thousands every single year. We need to pay attention. These people are being radicalized by professors who are not there to teach. They're there to indoctrinate. These are activists disguised as teachers. They are in our grade schools, our high schools, and our universities. And so we need to pay attention to that, what we're seeing. And I think this is true even in these, this last episode in the country music world. I guarantee you this guy's been influenced by a radical leftist at some point in his life, and he's determined that the United States isn't the greatest nation on the face of the earth. And that open borders are a good idea. These people have been indoctrinated into Marxist, socialist and even communist ideology and you see it coming out in the shows they produce on Netflix and the music that they are producing. And I think by and large the American people are tired of it. But if we don't address the crisis in education. Dr. Tim, it is a five alarm fire. If we do not address the crisis in education, this problem is only going to get worse. I honestly believe we'll lose the country inside of 15 years if we don't wake up and get to the root of a lot of this which is in our education system.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

Adi, always great to have you. Thank you for joining me.

[Heidi St. John]

Thanks for having me.

[Dr. Tim Clinton]

You know, I realize there are a lot of choices when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service and there are a lot of new ones popping up all the time. But here's the truth. There's only one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that's Patriot Mobile. Here's the best part. You can use the promo code Road Forward for a free month of service right now. You know, for more than 12 years Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while at the same time providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Don't just take my word for it. Ask the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have made the switch and they're now supporting causes they believe in simply by joining Patriot Mobile. I sure have. Switching, by the way, is easier than ever. Activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. Keep your number, keep your phone or even upgrade. Patriot Mobile's all US based support team. They're standing by right now to take care of you. You can call the number 972patriot 972patriot right now or go to patriot patriotmobile.com road forward. Use the promo code Road Forward for a free month of Service. That's right patriotmobile.com Road forward. Or call 972 Patriot and make the switch today. In closing, these are unprecedented times, difficult times. But I know this. God's in control and I believe he's at work. I hope you'll press in close to him in his heart. Know that God loves you. He wants to be in your life. Our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here again is a strong encouraging verse to hold on to this week. Ephesians 6, verses 10 through 12. Finally, be strong in the Lord, and in his mighty power, put on the full armor of God so you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against authorities, against powers of this dark world, against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. I hope you know that no matter where you're at or what you're going through, you can look to God for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. Let me also say this. I've learned as a professional counselor that it's normal to have concerns, maybe some fear or worry, especially when life isn't the way it's supposed to be. And I've also learned too, that if you aren't careful, it can begin to consume you, control you. It's easy to lose perspective for some. They feel like they've lost hope. It can get so dark that some would feel like life would be better off without them. I say this every week. You don't have to live like that. Simply taking a step, reaching out for help. It's often the gateway to a new day or a new you. And if you or someone you love is struggling, I hope you'll do that. Reach out for help. There are wonderful counselors and pastors who care, who can help you find the hope and the answers that you're looking for. And there are a lot of wonderful resources now. I'd love to connect you with some of those. You can find out more information on [e-mail] our website aacc.net if you're looking for a Christian mental health provider, try to our new website called ChristianCareConnect.com ChristianCareConnect.com if you don't have a personal relationship with God in Christ, you know what? You can have one right now by asking him to come into your life. Ask him to forgive you of your sin and to come into your life as Lord and Savior. Simply praying a prayer from your heart to God's heart like this. You can pray it with me. Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. I believe that you died for my sins and I want to turn from them and invite you to come into my heart and into my life. I want to trust you. I want to follow you as my Lord and Savior. Thank you for loving me, for giving your life for me. Thank you for the gift of grace, forgiveness, the gift of eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen. You know what the Bible says in John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him would not perish but have everlasting life. And in Romans 10:9 it says if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, the Bible says this, you will be saved. Best thing you can do if you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart is commit to serving God for the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength to do it. I believe that. Hey, if you're struggling with hopelessness right now, you feel like you can't go on. Hope you'll pick up the phone right now. Call the suicide hotline. Number is simple, it's just simply dial 988-988. That's the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. Hey, before we go, maybe God has gifted you with a heart to help other people. Hope you'll consider being a part of our Mental Health Coach First Responder Training program. You can enroll right now and beyond your way to becoming a board certified Mental health coach. Over 70,000 people have now enrolled. Everything you need to know about this program is at lightuniversity.com mentalhealthcoach lightuniversity.com mental health coach it's a 42 hour training program featuring some of the world's leading mental health and ministry experts, all on video. You can study 24 7, 365 the best news that kind of program usually costs around $2,400, but there might be a scholarship up there for someone just like you. Lightuniversity.com Mental Health Coach I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching. See you next week right here on Sunday. The Road Forward on Real America's Voice.

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