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Dr. Tim Clinton
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Dave Cabal
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Well, it's Super Bowl Sunday, big game between the Seattle Seahawks and the New England patriots. An estimated 127 million are expected to watch. If you include streaming, some estimates are putting it around 200 million. That's quite an audience. Social media, it's ablaze with talks about Kid Rock and this TPUSA Turning Point USA alternate to the halftime show put on by the NFL and Bad Bunny. We'll see happens. CNN reported this week massive national support for voter ID undercutting Democratic claims that Americans oppose the policy. White voters 85% support it. Latino voters 82% support it. Black voters 76% support it. Everyone is pushing for the Save America act and they want to make photo ID to vote law. Including by the way, Nicki Minaj who has come out and has caused quite a stir. Massive stir in supporting President Donald J. Trump on all this. The Epstein files getting ugly. Bill Gates scandal now all over social media. Clintons are being forced to testify Epstein Island. Catch this. It was in use from 1998 to 2019. Victims overall 100 plus their ages 12 to 17 year olds arrest. So far, nothing. Who knows what's going to happen. I don't know if you remember when Elon Musk dropped that bomb about why Kamala Harris got so much elite cash. He was saying part of why she did that was there was so much going on that billionaires behind her were going to be terrified if this whole Epstein stuff broke loose. And here we go. Fraud, waste and abuse continue to be front and center in culture. Right now. Fox News is claiming this week, if you can believe this, they've got proof that more than $250 million was secretly routed through dark money channels networks to Bankroll, anti ICE protests across the country. It's sickening when you think about all this. You got all that fraud, waste and abuse going on by state and now you're seeing that anti ICE protest and deportations. Stunning new poll just came out finding that a super majority of Americans want mass deportations to Continue. Catch that. 61% to 34%. 58% oppose defunding ICE. 54% say they want ICE to continue operations. 73% say entering the United States without legal permission is breaking the law. Here we go. The public starting to really rally behind all this. And I don't know if you saw the Punxsutawney Phil this week. That groundhog predicted six more weeks of winter. Sounds like fake news to me. Hey, and it's also Valentine's Day week this week, the most shopped day of the year. Trying to share a message to those that we love, that we love them. Americans are projecting to spend 29 plus billion dollars, a record this year alone. On Valentine's Day, Gary Chapman, the author of the Fame 5 Love Languages book, he's going to stop by and share a little bit about his thoughts on love. Hey. In these times, our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's a great verse from the Bible to hold on to this week. Isaiah 30, 18. Yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you. Therefore he will rise up to show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all those who wait on him. I'm going to pray. We're going to get started. God be with us. Thank you for this privilege, this opportunity. Use it for your glory. I pray all this in the strong name of Jesus. Amen. Let's get started. Joining us now is Bishop Calvin Koberis. He currently serves as lead pastor of New Life Church International in Plant City, Florida. He's a member of the National Faith Advisory Board, a strong voice on righteousness and culture. Bishop, thank you for joining me.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Good morning, Dr. Tim. Thank you for having me, Bishop.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Super Bowl Sunday, the Seahawks and the Patriots should be a great game. I don't know who you're pulling for.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Go Patriots.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
I love it. Bishop. Hey, halftime show has been what's blowing up social media. Bad bunny, you know, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell saying that he's going to do a good job. I mean, everybody's just bonkers over TP usa Turning Point usa. Bish, they're launching their own an alternate halftime show. Kid rocks. In the middle of all that, some of your reflections on all this.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
I celebrate TPUSA for providing an alternative. Because I believe that if we watch that halftime show, we are complicit in upholding the behavior that is coming against the fiber and the morals of our country. And I think it's very important that we have an alternative program and not participate. And this immoral garbage that's being presented at the super bowl halftime.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
You know, Goodell said that the show is designed to unite Americans. My goodness, you saw what Bad Bunny did at the Grammys. And more. It's like, come on. This is unbelievable. Bishop. I'm telling you what. Things are stirred up, aren't they?
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Yeah, things are stirring up, and I'm glad that us as the righteous side, are stirring up and standing against it.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Speaking of blowing up social media, Nicki Minaj. Bishop. Wow. I mean, she's standing boldly with President Donald J. Teamed up with Elon Musk talking. Hey. In particular, about voter id. It was amazing to see what's going on. I saw one post of her, had nearly 50 million views on it. Bishop. She is unashamedly saying, listen, we're drawing a line in the sand. This stuff's over.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Yeah, I'm proud of Nicki Minaj. I know it. At one time, I feel like the prophet. It was just me. I was all by myself. But the Lord is revealing that there are voices all across America that are standing up for what's. What's right and aligning with the values that we're trying to uphold in our country. And going back to our foundation.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Bishop, what do you make of the Democratic Party just for a second? And this whole immigration issue, you know, as it all plays out now, it really looks like there was a lot of, you know, not just bringing in terrorists and stuff. There was a strategy here. This was all about getting votes, buying votes. And when you look at the fraud we're seeing in Minnesota, California, and now it's being exposed everywhere, it's like, this is unbelievable. This is beyond dark and deep state stuff. Bishop. This is unbelievable to me. And now it's getting all exposed. No wonder. It's like when the lights come on, the crickets just start scattering everywhere, you.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Know, and Dr. Clinton, that's exactly what's happening, because this whole immigration reform is really highlighting and shining a light on voter fraud because we've used illegal immigrants and undocumented citizens to vote in previous elections. And now with immigration reforms and bringing things into order, of course, the liberal side is not excited, because, of course they're spreading like a wildfire because the light is being Shined on this voter fraud, all of this other illegal activity. And that's why we're seeing all this protesting and craziness that's happening in Minnesota and around the country.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
You know what's amazing to me? As Fox News reported that there's some money tied into all of that, too. I mean, just getting people to protest. I mean, millions and millions of dollars. BISH this week, CNN reported national massive support. National support for voter id, undercutting Democratic claims that Americans oppose the policy. Catch this. White voters, 85% want it. Latino voters, 82% want it. Black voters, 76% said, hey, it's time to pass the Save America Act.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Bishop this is what I'm talking about. Everybody is coming together, realizing what the truth is. And the only way they are aligning with this truth is it had to be exposed. And now that darkness is being exposed, of course a hit dog will holler. And that's exactly what we see happening with our liberal party, that they are hollering because of the fact that the fraudulent activity is being exposed. People are coming into the knowledge of truth and they're wanting truth to be upheld and things to be done right.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Bishop Propaganda is what social media and the media are all about. You go back to President Trump calling the fake news, you know, out constantly, and people, people like God, it's just unbelievable. Is this really, really, really true? But you go back, this is a war for messaging. And as you see this stuff, quote, this darkness continue to be exposed, you can expect the propaganda to get even more crazy and vile. Why? Because again, it's all about just plowing in and just making people, I mean, just crazy about where are we? What really is happening? Bishop in the midst of it, deportations, people. Pretty stunning new poll just released that a super majority of Americans, guess what, they want deportations to continue. 61% to 34%. 58% opposed defunding ICE. Now, I don't want to get into all that stuff. What I want to say is people realize that we've got a real problem. And this open border stuff and these bad people, these criminals that were out there in American bedroom communities. Bishop it's scary. People are worried about, you know, something really significant, significant going to happen. I just think, I just think something probably inevitably is going to be happening. And so we got to pray. Bishop, how do you share with your own people in your own church? Bishop, how do you calm them? How do you get them confident in God in the midst of this storm?
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Well, one of the ways I let them know that God loves all people. But God has also set law and order and government, and he expects us to comply with the orders that he set because the powers come from him. And this whole idea of immigration reform has been going on long before President Trump became the president. Every administration had to deal with it, but no one ever had a solution for it. No one ever had a plan to deal with it. And now this current administration is dealing with it head on. And now everybody's making noise and using propaganda to be divisive and to create uncelebrated civil war. But I think as prophetic messengers, we have to bring people back to the truth of the word. You got to hold a newspaper in your hand, but don't forget your Bible, because the Bible and the newspaper is just an implication of what the word of God has already told us is going to be. And when we understand that, we go back to the hope that lies in the word of God, that at the end of the day we are victorious, we will win, we will come out on top. But there are going to be some treacherous moments, some dark situations as we get there. But we've got to hold on to our faith, continue to let our light shine, show compassion to all men, and let Christ in us, the hope of glory shine and make a great impact in our country.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Bishop as we go jelly roll this week, but it blew up all over the place. His message at the Grammys, Jesus, is for everyone. Bishop I know you, Dr. Alveda King and some others have really been praying earnestly, coming together, saying, hey, listen, we got to get to a different place. We're not going to go back. We're going to go forward, healing, bringing reconciliation, peace, direction, but anchored unashamedly on biblical principles. Bishop closes out with that.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
I say this and I just posted this, Dr. Tim and thank you for this. I said history is not meant to be rehearsed, is meant to be advanced. Rehearsing history without planning the future is not honor, but it's an indictment of the work done before us. And I believe, with that being said, that it's not the time to go back and try to stir up things and to open up wounds. But I think we need to use our past to build upon, to see our opportunities and our potential, to find common ground, to come together, to become bridge builders and network so that we can celebrate unity and celebrate the United States of America as Americans, serving one God with one blood, with one country where there's justice for all. And I believe that if everyone can take on that perspective. That's when we'll see a difference in our culture. Today we are one.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Bishop Calvin Colbert, it's always great to see you my friend. Thank you for joining me.
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Bishop Calvin Koberis
Thank you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Join us now is Dr. Gary Chapman. Dr. Chapman is a trusted pastor, renowned marriage counselor, and internationally known author of the New York Times bestselling book The Five Love Languages, sold more than 20 million copies worldwide. Over 50 languages. Dr. Chapman, what a delight to have you. Thank you for joining me.
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Gary Chapman
Well, thank you. I'm delighted to be with you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary. I know this. You don't have to look very far in the Bible to realize that we were made for a relationship with God and each other. And you get your relationship piece right, Gary, you're blessed. You get them wrong and it becomes a real mess. You know, as you. This is a busy week for you. I know, with Valentine's Day coming up this week. Gary, I know you're traveling, speaking everywhere, but Gary, what have you learned about relationships just in general, vertically between us and God and horizontally with each other?
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Gary Chapman
Well, I think what I learned is that what makes one person feel loved doesn't make another person feel loved. Sincerity is not enough in human relationships. We have to learn how to communicate love to the other person in a way that's meaningful. And as I discovered the five love languages and then began to look at our relationship with God, I discovered rather quickly God speaks all five love languages fluently. And all we have to do is reciprocate and we come to him. We're drawn to him when we understand that he loves us individually. And I think in a human relationship, this emotional need to feel loved, I think everyone agrees is one of our deepest emotional needs, is the need to feel loved by the significant people in our lives.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, I saw $29 billion. 29 billion. It's a record. This year. People are going to be buying gifts to express their love to each other. That's one of the five love languages. Do you mind just giving us a quick overview of those five love languages that you identified in your book?
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Gary Chapman
One of them is words of affirmation. You look nice in that outfit. I really appreciate what you did. Just using words to affirm the other person. And then there's acts of service, doing something for them that, you know, they would like for you to do in a marriage. That would be such things as cooking meals and washing dishes and vacuuming floors and mowing the grass and walking the dog and changing the baby's diaper. Big act of service. Remember the old saying, actions speak louder than words? If this is their love language, actions will speak louder than words. And then there's gifts. It's universal to give gifts as an expression of love. The gift says, they were thinking about me. Look what they got for me. So gifts are important for some people. This is their love language. You forget to give them something on Valentine's Day. It's the worst thing you could do. And then there is quality time, giving them your undivided attention. I do not mean sitting on the couch watching tv. Someone else has your attention. I'm talking about TV is off, computer is down, we're not answering our phone. We're giving each other our full attention. And it doesn't have to be sitting on the couch. You can be walking down the road or going out to eat, assuming that you talk. We've all seen this in the restaurant, sitting across from each other, each answering their telephone messages. That's not quality time. And then number five is physical touch. We've long known the emotional power of physical touch. That's why we pick up babies, hold them, kiss them and cuddle them. And long before the baby understands the meaning of the word love, the baby feels love by physical touch.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah, I want to go back to how you opened. You can be loving someone with everything you got, and they may not really know that you'd love them. And it's pretty exhausting if you're thinking, you know what, I'm doing everything I can. You just. The problem's you. No, the problem is I'm not getting through to you in the way you understand love. And therefore, here we are. We're just like opposite ends of the world, Gary. Just feeling very lost in our relationship. I can't believe that we have missed this and continue to miss it. I see it all the time in relationships.
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Gary Chapman
Yeah. Oh, I remember the first time it dawned on me that what makes one person feel loved doesn't make another person feel loved. The wife complained that she didn't feel loved in my office. And the husband said, I don't understand that. He said, I do everything I know to help her, to know that I love her. I said, well, what do you do? He said, well, I get home from work before she does. I start the evening meal. Some nights I have it ready when she gets home. If not, she'll help me. And after that, I wash the dishes. And on Thursday night, I Vacuum the floors. And on Saturday I wash the car, I mow the grass, I help her with the laundry. And he went on. And Tim, I was beginning to ask myself, what does this woman do? It sounded to me like he was doing everything. And he said, she says she doesn't feel loved. I don't know what else I could do. And when I looked back at her, she started crying and she said, he's right. He is a hard working man and I appreciate that. But we don't ever talk. We haven't talked in 20 years. He's always mowing the grass, washing the dishes, vacuuming the floors. And I realized here was a sincere husband who was loving his wife in the best way he knew how. But it wasn't connecting. Her language was quality time. She was begging in her heart that they could spend time together and share life together and talk about things together. So that was really the beginning of what became later. The Five Love Language book is my awareness of that. And then I heard it over and over and over in my office.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, you and I have had many conversations about parenting too. And in that journey, especially when my kids were younger, I realized something. They're very different. And Gary, you can. I've heard parents say, hey, I love my kids the same. You really can. You can't let that be your wiring. As a mom or dad, you've got to be uniquely attuned to your son or daughter because they're different, Gary. And we'd learn these patterns early as kids. And so I think it's a real eye opener for couples. Here we are in Valentine's Day week, you know, love. I mean, we're talking about love across every dimension and dynamic relationship. Gary, it's critical that we see this work at every phase of our life. Right?
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Gary Chapman
Absolutely. That's why I wrote the five Love languages of children, wrote it for parents so that they could learn the primary love language of each child. And if you have three children, it might be three different languages. And if you don't give heavy doses of their primary, they're not going to feel loved. Now, all of them are important for children. We want to teach the children that there are different ways to express love and we want to do that. But. But we've got to focus in on the primary if we want them to feel loved.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, I know you've been working on a bunch of new projects. You amaze me, your work ethic and just the calling of God on your life. But I wanted to ask you, reflecting back over the years and everything that you've been able to teach and the wisdom. But what's the one or two things that really jump out in your heart and mind, your relationship with Carolyn and everything? Gary, just get this one thing right. Tim, get this piece right. I promise you this is everything.
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Gary Chapman
Well, I think the first thing is our relationship with God. If we don't have a love relationship with God and we're not committed to understanding that every command he ever gave was for our good because he loves us and we don't have a loving relationship with God, we're going to revert to being who we are by nature. And that's selfish. And two selfish people are never going to have a good marriage. No. We have to have, first of all, experience God's love and then let him love through us, the other person, whomever they are. And even in a marriage where the other person is not loving you, remember, God loved us when we were sinners. So don't wait till they love you. You be the initiator. We can't make them love us, but we can influence them. And by speaking their love language on a regular basis, you're having the most positive influence you can have on another person.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, you're continuing to write. You are also developing assessments that people can use online and other resources and tools. If people want to learn more about you, maybe how they could tap into some of these. Where could they go?
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Gary Chapman
The website is fivelovelanguages.com. that's the number 5fivelovelanguages.com and you can find there a survey of all of my books. You can find where I'm going to be speaking at some of my Saturday marriage conferences. In fact, you can find more than you want to know if you go to their website.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, we're always grateful for you taking time out of your very busy schedule, especially right now. But thank you and God be with you. We always appreciate you.
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Gary Chapman
Well, thank you, Tim. You keep up the good work, too. I appreciate what you're doing.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Bless you, my friend. Coming up next, and he is the CEO of Intercessors for America. Dave Cabal is with us.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Joining us now is Dave Cabal. He currently serves as CEO and president of Intercessors for America, massive grassroots organization that unites citizens in community prayer and action on issues confronting America. Dave, welcome. Thank you for joining me.
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Dave Cabal
Always great to be with you, Dr. Clinton.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Hey, super Bowl Sunday, a lot of fun going on and a lot of people are getting together for parties and all that stuff. But Dave, when you look at what's been happening over the last couple of weeks, months, it's like the world's on fire. It's unbelievable. Franklin Graham, so concerned about it all, called the nation to prayer. I know the President, the administration, they've launched this America Praise initiative. The National Prayer Breakfast happened this week up in Washington. Over 100 nations coming together. The President was there. Dave, talk to us about personal and corporate prayer, why it's so important for such a time as this.
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Dave Cabal
Well, Dr. Clinton, Super bowl week. Right. And in many regards, it's the super bowl week for prayer because there's so much time and energy focused not only by American leaders, but also leaders from around the globe. This past week, with the National Prayer Breakfast, I was involved in many, most of the events. And I can tell you that the passion to pray for nations is at an all time high. And I really believe it's linked to a verse in Isaiah 60 that says, in the end times we will see the days when the powers of darkness grow across this land. But at the same time, the light shines upon the church. And I believe we're seeing those events proceed in our very day. Come, come forth. We see darkness so dark, and yet at the same time, the glory of the Lord is shining upon the church. And there's a passion to pray not only for America, but nations around the globe.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Dave, you had an organization called Intercessors for America exploding. It's amazing. Kind of a grassroots type of organization and you're talking openly about and praying earnestly for a lot of the issues in cult right now. Tell us a little bit about ica.
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Dave Cabal
Well, you know, Intercessors for America has been around for over 50 years. And I always say I have statistical evidence that God is on the move because he is putting on the hearts of millions of Americans to pray for this great nation. And here at IFA Intercessors for America, we have the opportunity to be involved in throwing out a net or two, sending out an email. So 15 million emails a month that engage people and mobilize people to praise. So, Dr. Clinton, what I think is the most exciting thing about all of this is, is the fact that if God is putting on the hearts of millions to pray for this great nation, that's got to mean he's not done with us. Just got to mean it.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah. Dave, you guys are also leading an initiative called the American Spiritual Heritage Project. Pretty exciting. A lot of people are talking about it. Share with us some of the details.
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Dave Cabal
Well, go to rededicateamerica.com and you can have the opportunity to research the spiritual heritage of your area. We've created this proprietary research tool, advanced research tool, so that you can delve into the spiritual heritage of the county, the area that you live in. And, and I've been so excited to see this project. And it's all about recounting God's hand upon our nation. Dr. Clinton, you're going to be so encouraged when I tell you this. Are you ready?
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Dr. Tim Clinton
I'm ready.
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Dave Cabal
Okay. So we have done research all across this nation, and we have created a tool. People can find the spiritual heritage of their area. And I asked our tech team, I said, said, is there any place in America where we cannot produce multiple stories of the hand of God upon that area? That county, that zip code. They crunched numbers, and about a week later, they came back to me and said, dave, there is not a single place in America that we cannot produce multiple stories of the hand of God upon that area.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
That's fascinating. Yeah, that's fascinating. It really is. And, Dave, an example or two of something along the lines of what you've been finding.
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Dave Cabal
Well, so go to rededicateamerica.com and you'll answer six questions and you will have detailed stories of God's hand upon your area. Of course, I did it in my area. And I was surprised that just probably about six miles from my house dating back to the. The 1700s, was an outpost for.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
A.
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Dave Cabal
Great move of God that has swept through the area. And the message that has to be clear through all of this is that God is a God of covenants. God is a God of generational covenants. And I believe what has happened in Loudoun County. I live in Loudoun county, right outside of Washington, D.C. what God put in place through the faithfulness of those some two, 300 years ago, almost, now that we're living that today with Intercessors for America. Because who would have put the headquarters of the nation's largest governmental prayer ministry in a little town called Percivale, Virginia, without that great spiritual heritage, those generational covenants based on the faithfulness of those who've gone before us. So I think that's pretty exciting.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
That's pretty exciting, Dave. A couple years ago, pretty recent, but you were party to a lawsuit with the nrb, the National Religious Broadcasters. They came against you guys strong. We know there was a real assault on religious liberty in this country. In the past administration, thank God, faith is back and we're seeing religious liberties now all over again. But Dave, it was related to the Johnson Amendment. Tell us a little bit about what happened and what the outcome was.
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Dave Cabal
Well, the greatest persecutor, the single greatest persecutor of the church in the United States for the past 70 years has been the United States government. I know it's a bold statement, but it really is through the passing of the Johnson Amendment that chilled the speech, that quieted, that muzzled the church because churches became afraid of not speaking into politics because they might lose their C3 status, their nonprofit status, which is really a false argument because there's only been one successful suit by the IRS against a non profit in all of the seven years. But the fact of the matter is, is that the Johnson Amendment puts fear and it scared church leaders so that they wouldn't go into the realm of politics. And so National Religious Broadcasters, Intercessors for America and two pastors in Texas and the four of us sued the irs and we said, enough. You don't apply this consistently across the board. You know, when it's heavy political season, Democratic candidates typically stump in churches, you know, in the last month of politics of the campaign. It happens every time. And yet self censoring organizations like Intercessors for America, we don't want to break the law, so we don't delve into that. But so we said either apply it consistently across the board or don't apply it at all. So the IRS settled with us, settled with the National Religious Broadcasters Intercessors for America and two pastors. And they said, listen, we will relieve churches from the Johnson Amendment. And they didn't broaden it to all nonprofits, but they said that we will take, take relief, pastors can take relief from this law. And so we said, absolutely. So we signed that settlement and the settlement went, has to be okayed through the court system. And so currently, as this is being recorded, we are about 20 days away, maybe 10 days away from the opportunity for the judge to make final judgment.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Wow. So we're pretty excited, Dave, in the midst of all of it, we're learning now too that there are real efforts to protect religious expression in the federal workplace, which is a pretty big deal. And hopefully this spills down into all of culture. Dave, I guess I want to end this way. Let's go back to prayer. I saw this verse, Psalm 145:18. The Lord is near to all who call on him. To all who call on Him. In truth. And, Dave, when I think about maybe people watching right now, most people pray and they cry out to God. I know there are a lot of issues and challenges, but how do you approach prayer? And how have you really found peace and strength in crying out to the Lord?
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Dave Cabal
Well, Dr. Clinton, you're exactly right. A recent Gallup poll showed that at some point in a typical month, 83% of the American population reach out to God in prayer. And I think that the most amazing thing in all of this is that God created prayer. He created this communication process. This is not something man made where we came up with this idea that we can communicate with the eternal divine one. But over the course of humanity, some 6,000 years of recorded humanity, God has consistently showed up and drop these thoughts, this concept that we can communicate with him. And so that's the thing that brings me the greatest hope, that we have a God. We have a creator that has created a process, a technology where we can talk to him. It doesn't rely on a full battery or, you know, strong signal or anything like that, but. But we have that constant ability to talk to the God of this universe. And so many people take advantage of that, and so many more are being moved by the spirit of God across America to be passionate about praying for this country and for themselves.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Found a keychain when I was a kid. It had, like, little screwdriver ends on it, but it was a real thing I kept in my pocket. Simply said, this prayer opens heaven's doors. Dave, was a real gift to me as a boy to learn that the God of the universe wants to connect with us, and prayers are medium to get that done. Always great to have you, Dave. Hey, Seahawks or Patriots? Before you go.
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Dave Cabal
Seahawks are Patriots. Oh, gosh. You know. Are the Patriots rebuilding their dynasty? It appears that they are. I love the Seahawks offense, but I think I gotta go. Pats by three points.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
There you go. Dave Cabal, always great to have you. Thank you for joining me.
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Dave Cabal
God bless you.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
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Gary Bauer
Same with you, Tim. Great to be here.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
And happy Super Bowl Sunday, man. Seahawks and Patriots. Should be a great game. Who you pulling for, Gary?
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Gary Bauer
You know I'm going to be politically neutral on this. No way you could win by taking a choice. I'm just hoping that everybody stands for the national anthem and it's a good game.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, the halftime show. Good grief. Roger Goodell holding firm with Bad Bunny even after, you know, the Grammys and the protesting ice and all that crazy stuff says it's going to be a halftime show to unite people. People are just blowing up all over it. And tpusa Turning Point USA has developed an alternative program with Kid Rock and some others. Gary, your reflections and all that.
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Gary Bauer
Well, I would strongly recommend that folks check out the Turning Point USA alternative, but you Know, on the, on the big question here, Tim, this is so revealing about American elites, because no matter what, what part of American culture and society these elites are in, they're all the same. So, you know, sports used to be a bastion of sort of conservative cultural values, but now, whether it's the NFL or the NBA or all these other major sports organizations, they tend to be run by woke left, sympathetic people that want to keep Hollywood happy, want to make sure they don't upset any of the leftists in America. And, you know, we see the same thing in Hollywood. We see it in all kinds of American life, and this is just another example of it. It's. It's sad. I don't want to listen to a halftime show with an entertainer that goes on Saturday Night Live and mocks Americans if they don't. If they haven't learned to speak Spanish. Give me a break. I'd be happy if our kids could speak correct English.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, this week you highlighted a little piece called Churches Under Siege. We'll go back to Minnesota for a moment. You know, the anti ice protesters blowing into that church, you know, saying that the people in there worshiping God were demonic. All kinds of crazy stuff. We're finding out about all that. But Don Lemon now, in the middle of it, you know that, and he was applauded at the Grammys. I just. That's unbelievable. Pam Bondi's up there doing some work, as, you know, as she should be. But, Gary, we saw even this week a church out in California, a Catholic church, being attacked. I mean, I mean, it's just unbelievable. And I was reflecting on that. I think you mentioned, like, 100 churches in Canada, Gary, were, you know, burnt and, you know, vandalized and messed over, whatever. And the media just ignores all of it. This religious liberty issue, it's a, It's a real concern, a real challenge. And the past administration, I mean, they. They were lighting that stuff up, Gary, and I'm just glad to see President Trump standing in the gap here. But, man, we've got work to do, and we need to talk about this stuff.
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Gary Bauer
We do, Tim. We need to talk about it. It's a. It's happening, it's building, and it's. It's being done in an atmosphere that's very hostile to Judeo Christian values. So we see increasingly churches and synagogues having security threats. This invasion that took place at that Minneapolis St. Paul church was unacceptable. Imagine if a conservative media person went in with a group of right wingers into a mob.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Oh, my goodness. Oh, My goodness, they'd be blowing it up. I mean, like you've never seen. Yeah.
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Gary Bauer
You know, Tom, Tim, it's also another reminder of how important it is for Christians to be involved in public life, to be voters. Just a few years ago, we had an administration in power that was sending the FBI into Catholic churches to monitor the sermons because they believed there was a link between traditional Catholic churches and terrorism. Well, that's ended.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Right.
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Gary Bauer
But now we've got an administration that when a church is violated by, as they were in St. Paul, in Minneapolis St. Paul, this administration enforces the law and is going to hold those people accountable.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Gary, can't go without asking about Nicki Minaj blowing up social media and this whole voter fraud issue. But she joined with President Trump. I mean, boldly, unashamedly. I'm talking millions, I think nearly 50 million views on just some of her posts recently. It's crazy, but she just calling it out, just calling it straight up and people are loving it. And she's saying, listen, this garbage over folder id. We've got to get this SAVE act through third legislation. Gary, talk to us about it. How important is it?
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Gary Bauer
The SAVE act is incredibly important. Every provision of it are things that the polling data shows overwhelmingly the American people support. Now, what's going to happen as we begin to move it through Congress is that the left and their media allies unanimously are going to tell the American people, oh, look at what they're doing. They're trying to stop minorities from voting. They're trying to limit your right to vote. This is all their effort to steal the elections. It's the exact opposite. It's our effort to safeguard our elections. And that's why when somebody like this singer, an African American woman, steps up and says we need to do this, it undermines the left effort to make this look like this is some sort of racial issue. All aspects of American life, all groups in America, blacks, whites, Hispanics, favor having to show identification in order to vote. So I hope the people in Congress, our friends in Congress, stand tough on this. This is necessary to do and it will help restore confidence in our elections.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Now, as you look at this whole immigration issue and everything we're witnessing and then see all the, this fraud, this waste, fraud and abuse stuff, Gary, billions of billions and billions of dollars, American taxpayer monies going to buy votes, essentially. It's just, it's beyond shocking. I just can't even imagine that this is true. But here we are right in the middle of it.
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Gary Bauer
Yeah. You know, Tim, I've said this for years. Corruption is a huge issue and I believe it's an issue the American people care about. And this administration is fighting corruption. We're seeing particularly in these unfortunately Democrat run big cities. There's corruption in every program, housing, food stamps, whatever it is, there's corruption. And yet we're told that when it comes to voting, these same big cities don't allow any corruption at all. We know that's not true.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Yeah. Hey, I sure hope you enjoy some wings and a good game. Gary, thank you so much for joining.
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Gary Bauer
Great to be with you, Tim.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
Hey, you know, in closing, these are unprecedented times. They're difficult times. But I believe God's in control and I know he's at work.
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Dave Cabal
Work.
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Dr. Tim Clinton
I hope you'll press in close to him in his heart. Know that God loves you and wants to be in your life. Our hope, our strength comes from the Lord. Here's an encouraging verse again from the Bible to hold on to this week. Isaiah 30, verse 18 yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you. I like that. Therefore he will rise up and show you compassion. For the Lord is a God of justice. Blessed are all those who wait, who wait on Him. Help. You know that you can look to God for wisdom and direction in your everyday life. But let me also say as a professional counselor, I've learned that it's normal to have concern, maybe fear, worry when things aren't the way they're supposed to be. I've also learned that if you aren't careful, it can begin to consume you, control you. And it's easy to lose perspective, maybe even hope. It can get so dark that some would feel like life would be better off without them. I say this every week. You don't have to live like that. Simply taking a step, reaching out for help. It's the gateway to a new day or a new you. And if you or someone you love is struggling, do that, reach out for help. There are wonderful counselors and pastors who care who can help you find the help, hope answers that you're looking for. And also there are a lot of resources now available for you. I'd love to connect you with some of those. You can go up on our website@aacc.net that's aacc.net if you'd like to find a Christian mental health leader in your area, go up on a brand new website. It's called ChristianCareConnect.com ChristianCareConnect.com I also want to take time to say this. If you don't have a personal relationship with God in Christ, you can do that right now by asking him to come into your life. Simply praying a prayer from your heart to his heart like this, you can pray it after me. Lord Jesus, I need you. I know I'm a sinner. I believe you died on the cross for my sins. I want to turn from them. I want to invite you to come into my heart, into my life. I want to trust you and follow you as my Lord and Savior. God, thank you for loving me, for giving your life for me and the gift of forgiveness and eternal life. I pray all this in Jesus name. Amen. You know what the Bible says? John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believed in him would not perish but have everlasting life. And you know what the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans chapter 10, verse 9 in the Bible? He said this. If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, the Bible says you will be saved. And I believe if you prayed that prayer from your heart to God's heart that you are born again. Best thing you can do is go serve God the rest of your life. He'll give you the strength to do it. If you're struggling and so dark and you say, tim, I'm just filled with hopelessness. Hope you pick up the phone and talk to someone. The suicide hotline is out there right now. It's simple. It's just dial 988-988 that's the National Suicide prevention lifeline. And talk with someone. Hey, before we go, maybe God's gifted you with the heart to help other people. Hope you'll consider being a part of our mental Health Coach first responder training program. You can enroll right now and be on your way to becoming a board certified mental health coach. Nearly 80,000 people have now enrolled. Everything you need to know about this program. It's lightuniversity.com mentalhealthcoach lightuniversity.com Mental Health Coach 42 hour training program featuring some of the world's leading mental health and ministry experts all on video. You can study 24. 7365 best news program like this usually costs around $2,400. There might be a scholarship up there for someone just like you. Go to lightuniversity.com mental health coach I'm Dr. Tim Clinton. As always, thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy the Super Bowl. Don't miss the TPUSA halftime show. See you next week. Right here on Sunday, the road Forward. Unreal. America's Voice. See you next week. Made by God and comfy. This is an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.