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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
And where do people like that to
Steve Bannon
share the big lie?
Patrick K. O'Donnell
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish
Jim Rickards
that any of these people had a conscience.
Steve Bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
War room here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
Steve Bannon
Tuesday the 7th of April. Your Virlo 2026. You're gonna give me a heads up when Rickards calls in. I got Patrick Hated on Captain Fennell. More people are going to join us. President United States has told us that this is one of the most important days in the complex, long and complex history of the world. Patrick K. O', Donnell, you're our top combat historian. Do you agree with that assessment?
Patrick K. O'Donnell
I do. I think it is definitely one of the top five crucial consequential decisions in American history that a president is making. I mean, this is a president. All the presidents in his past, they kicked the can down the road on Iran and hoped that it would somehow go away. President Trump has taken bold courage to go after the regime. And now it's a question of how do you, how do you take it down?
Steve Bannon
Well, how do you, in your understanding of commander in chiefs, making decisions on strategy and the, and using the military instrument to effectuate that strategy or implement it? Where do you put this decision in your top 10? Where does this go and what would be around it? What other ones could you point the audience to, to say, hey, understand the gravity of the moment? And this is, you know, there's a lot of people saying, hey, there are MAGA voices saying, no, I think Tucker, Wall Street Journal is just reporting. He said, don't follow the Orders. Look, there'll be plenty of time to debate how we got here. Right now we have, you know, probably 100,000 or more young men and women in harm's way. We've got to win this thing. Now, your definition of victory, mine is probably quite different than Captain Fennell's and Patrick K. O', Donnell, but, you know, we're in it now. So where do you put it as on these. On the, on the. Your top 10 or on the spectrum as you look at major decisions that commander in chiefs have had in using the military instrument?
Patrick K. O'Donnell
I would say it's in the top five, Steve. And I mean, let's look at some of the great presidential crucial decisions. One of the top decisions, I would say would be the Emancipation Proclamation. The Civil War is, you know, it's 1862, and it's about, you know, the original framing was about saving the Union. And it changes. The moral high ground is changed to about, you know, free enslaved people. It's more complex than that, but it changes the entire.
Steve Bannon
But hang on, hang on, hang on. Full stop, full stop. I love you like a brother, but I'm not. Let's be brutally frank. McClellan and the Democratic generals were trying to cut a deal with the South. That's why they never dropped the hammer. And I'm not saying they were better than the Confederacy. Military. Hang on. But he was trying to raise it up. Part of it was to stop a potential military coup. I actually say it was more than a potential military coup, that there was talk of treason. You know, Bruce Canton's one of his great volumes. The first chapter is the talk of treason after the Peninsula campaign. So the shifting of the moral courage of Lincoln, because, remember, he didn't free a slave in an area that he controlled, that he could free the slaves.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
That is very true. And that's where there's a lot of
Steve Bannon
nuance, because, hang on. This is a guy who's losing. This guy's losing or trying to get moral authority to take the high ground, to get more people to rally to his side. Correct. And to cut off any. To cut off any potential allies coming in for the Confederacy.
Jim Rickards
Correct.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
But it changes the entire course of history because it changes race relations in the United States. It changes the dynamic of the war completely. And it's a major shift now. The, you know, I get into it in the vanquished. I mean, there's a lot.
Steve Bannon
But hang on, hang on. But, but hang on. It's like, hang on.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
That's why this was your.
Steve Bannon
This was. This was Your hang on. I know, I love it too. But this is my point about Europe. You and the other supporters of this are trying to make a moral case, right? To take the moral high ground in this moral case.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
The fact that they get a nuclear weapon, have it and they threaten us. I mean, they're threatening the world economy right now with the Straits of Hormuz and the Red Sea. This can't go on. This is irreconcilable. Steve. They have to go. And it's one way or another. And the key to it is the Iranian, the center of gravity is the Iranian people. I mean, the whole reason, one of the reasons why we are here is because they rose up two months ago and that problem for that regime has not gone away. It's gonna get way worse. They killed 45,000 and it's gonna get way worse for those people and they're gonna, they. It's gonna foment more an even greater uprising. Question is, we need to support that in various ways. I mean this is something we have 250 years of irregular warfare experience. We pioneered it. You fight irregular wars with irregulars. And the number one thing, I mean, we go back to the Civil War. I wrote an article for Breitbart a month ago called the Iranian Anaconda Plan. It wasn't popular at the first Battle of Asses. Everybody thought they were going to run to Richmond and the war would be over. No, you gotta strangle, in that case the south. We have to strangle the Iranian oil in their revenues. Go after it in every way possible and it will collapse.
Steve Bannon
Yeah, hang on one second. I want you to stick around. I want to get Jim Rickards up here. I will say that the enemy inside our gate is 100 times a bigger problem for this country than what was happening in Tehran. A hundred times. I don't buy the underpinnings of your argument, which I hear on Fox and from the boomers every night. I don't buy any of it. The problem is here in this country and with the Chinese Communist Party that is very far down the road on unconditional unrestricted warfare of taking us down. But hang on because I'd love the fact. Look, a not insignificant part of the war on posse is, is 100% back of you, Patrick K. O'. Donnell. They're loving it, so just stick right there. Jim Rickards, we got you by phone. Oh, is Rickards up? We actually get Rickards up. Jim Rickards, President Trump has tweeted out. It's one of the Most important days in the history of the world. The Iranians have come back and said, hey, you, all this talk about taking our civilization down, we're cutting off any discussion. In fact, we're going to raise it up and we're going to take down the Red Sea. You're our master strategist here. Where are we in this thing?
Jim Rickards
We're in a very bad place, Steve. So let's talk about Trump said he's going to take down the civilization tonight. Iran might be second only to China in terms of the longevity and continuity of civilization, depending on whether you want to go back to Cyrus the Great or the rise of Islam. It's either 2,500 years old or, you know, well over a thousand years old. But it's one of the longest continuous civilizations in world history. And the thing about a civilization like that, they're actually not fragile or brittle at all. They're actually very robust because they've been through many, many crises, et cetera. Your prior guests, you know, obviously very, very knowledgeable. He's still talking about this uprising. There's not going to be an uprising. There's not going to be regime change. We're past that. We've proven that that's not going to happen. A good estimate would have been it was not going to happen before the war started, but it's clearly not going to happen. Now, you know as well as I do that war tends to unify the population, whatever internal divisions they may have. Now, can you pull up a lot of infrastructure? Yes. Now, here's where it gets interesting. To your point, Steve, about the internal enemies, I'll take this. I believe Senator Kelly from Arizona, he was one of five or six, you know, basically veterans who said, who warned the U.S. military, do not obey illegal orders. And then there may be repercussions from that. But what are we hearing now? That taking out civilian infrastructure, power plants, desalinization, railroads, etc, these are war crimes. Now, we don't. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. But the fact that we're hearing about war crimes, Iran said we're going to circle them with civilians. So if you blow up the plan, you're going to kill all these civilians. Now, they don't mind being martyrs. That's one of the things the White House does not understand about political, about Islam in general. They think it's the will of Allah. They go straight to heaven. They don't mind they're paradise. They don't mind being martyrs. So now you're going to blow up civilian infrastructure, which might be war crime. You're going to kill civilians otherwise innocent, who probably definitely war crime. And you've got United States senators warning the military not to follow illegal orders. This is a setup. Trump's walking right into it. And it's one of many problems with this where I think we're using a fairly conventional military doctrine and we don't understand we're up against a theological enemy.
Steve Bannon
Patrick K. O' Donnell and Jim Fennell have made pretty strong cases that the regime has been shattered, that this is now going into part two. You know, looking at it as a system for state collapse. Do you believe that's where we are? You just said, hey, the regime hasn't collapsed and they're fighting asymmetrically. This is one of the most significant decisions or pieces of intelligence. And this is why it all comes down to one person has to make this decision. This is why our system structured like this, the Commander in Chief, Article two makes it down to the office of the president, one person to make this decision. How do you weigh and measure this decision he'll make of whether this regime is already done right and basically shattered? And so now I'm going to go to the next phase of state collapse or the counterargument that, hey, these guys think they're winning. They've shut down Hormuz, they got West Texas Intermediate as a piece of evidence at $117 a barrel, and they just doubled down and said, hey, look, you get tough with us tonight, we're going to shut down the Red Sea, sir.
Jim Rickards
Well, you're right, Steve. They think they're winning. But as a pro American analyst, I would say they're probably right. They probably are winning by their terms, by their definition, which is, are we still here? Are we still functional? You know, you've heard about the Mosaic defense. They haven't actually had to use it that much. But if you're a brigade commander and you get cut off from central authority, you have authority to launch weapons on your own. Have we done physical destruction? Absolutely. The physical kinetic performance of the military has been brilliant. But it doesn't matter because the regime is still standing. I mean, once you kill. We killed all the leaders, 30 or 40 on day one, then we killed all the replacements, so another 30 or 40, we're talking about top theologians, generals, political officials, etc. We can keep killing them, I suppose, with good intelligence, but they keep replacing them. So there's always somebody ready, standing in line, so to speak. And again, this kind of war just makes Them stronger politically, culturally, from a civilizational perspective. So you're not going to see regime change now. Can we keep blowing things up? Yes, but we're getting, they're setting, they're sucking Trump in. They're getting close, we're getting closer to committing what are arguably war crimes. Now the United States is not a party to the International Criminal Court, so we're not going to be hauled in front of any Nuremberg style trial. But I dare say might have planted some doubts in the minds of some military officers, which is very detrimental.
Steve Bannon
But aren't these.
Jim Rickards
This is nothing.
Steve Bannon
Hang on. But this is nothing compared to what we did over Nazi Germany and what we did in the firebombing of Tokyo before the nuclear weapons, because the electricity and the power generation and those are all inextricably linked to the war machine of the theocrats. Right. This talk of war crimes is a desperate attempt to try, to try to put doubt in actually military commanders minds and young sailors and young soldiers, which American history and the application of American power goes against, doesn't it?
Jim Rickards
Well, I mean, you're right about World War II. Look at what we did in Japan. The, the firebombing of cities in Japan actually caused more damage and casualties than the atomic bombs. The atomic bombs were approximate cause of ending the war. But what we did in Tokyo and quite a few other cities, killing hundreds of thousands of civilians who were burnt to death because they all had wooden structures and we were dropping napalm basically on them. But that was before the post war war crimes trials, the Yamashi, the president, that precedent, the Nuremberg trials and the latest changes in the Geneva Convention. I'm not, I'm not saying no.
Steve Bannon
Hang on one second. Just hang on one second. I want to hold you through the break. I got Jim Rickards, we have Patrick K. O', Donnell, we got Captain Fennell. We're gonna be joined by others. I'm gonna get their voices back in here. Commander in Chief of the United States tells us one of the most important days in the history of the world is upon us.
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Patrick K. O'Donnell
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banff.
Steve Bannon
Today at the Texas School Board, we Had to rally, help rally, folks. And remember, you don't have better patriots in Texas to get people to come and testify against CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood and cairn, these terrorist organizations that are getting Muslims down there to say, yeah, we should write the history books. You know, the Alamo is based upon Islamic design. And take out all the presidents and we're going to put a big, huge infusion of how important Islam has been in the history of this country, Right? At the same time, you've got this, you know, we have a war, we have a budget given to us that's going to have trillions of dollars of deficits, $200 billion for this war right here. And of course, our great allies, uae, has not, to my knowledge, they've talked about it, and people put pressure on them, but have not shut down the Pirate Cove of Dubai to seize the assets like we seize the assets of the Russians in the Ukraine war to seize the assets of the mullahs and shut them down financially. And of course, in the Straits of Hormuz, they're charging a two million dollar feat per ship. The kind of the pirates that are down there on that southern coast who are not totally Persian, I think there's a lot of better ones down there that have done this for centuries are charging 2 million per ship. And guess what? They're charging it in Chinese currency to break the petrodollar because they look at China as their ally. And Captain Fennell continues to remind me, you got to keep the main thing, the main thing, the main thing is that we have an enemy that is every bit as powerful as us, that we fund, we give technology. That's the Chinese Communist Party. That's all in this nation. Totally infiltrated. Now we have a situation from Dearborn, Michigan, to Minneapolis to New York City, where they control the financial capital of the world with Mandami, a radical Marxist jihadist. And in the great state of Texas, they are all over, folks. They're all over it. And we're fighting back. But they think they're winning down in Texas, understand our enemy's mindset. They think they're winning here in the United States because inside the Wire we have 25 million illegal alien invaders. And the political people in the White House are telling the President we can never say and use the word mass deportation again. Our enemies think that they're winning here inside the wire, inside the United States of America. And what are we doing? We are in the Middle east, which is a sideshow to a sideshow show. And we're there and about to go tonight to one of the most important moments in world history, according to our commander in chief. And if we rain hell down on these people, hell we can reign. There is absolutely no doubt about that in the steely resolve. And I think you saw this over the weekend where CENTCOM and the military pulled off an incredible operation of just nothing but bravery and valor on part of both the pilots themselves and the rescue teams and the pilots that came in the Special Forces. And the huge firefight, it shows you what these young men and women can do. The steely resolve. That's the best of the best. And of course, in the best of the best, when we have these budgets. Think about it for a second. You still have to go to outside charity to build homes for the people that don't have limbs. How many veterans we have in the streets of this country. How much PTSD have we noticed addressed? We're losing the war inside this country. If we don't face this, it's going to be over. Jim Rickards, thank you for taking time away. I know you were recording other things for strategic intelligence, and everybody should go to your website right now to get it. Tell me about strategic intelligence for a second before you sum up your strategic thoughts on this of the most important days.
Jim Rickards
Yeah, thanks, Steve. We have a landing page, rickardswarroom.com rickardswarroom.com, you can go there. Subscribe to our flagship newsletter, Strategic Intelligence, where we talk about exactly what we're talking about on your show. What's coming next, what's happening. Kind of looking over the ridgeline, but getting back to Iran. Steve, I'm not saying what Trump's proposing is definitely a war crime. That's a big subject. I'm saying the fact that we're having the debate shows the pernicious influence of what Senator Kelly did and the others who were raising the issue of following illegal orders. The Iranians picked up on it. So there we go. Second thing, talk about, you know, closing the streets of a moose, starving a random revenue. Okay, are you ready to turn the lights out in South Korea? Because that's what you're talking about. See, and I said this on the show last week, the reason the industry has not shut down, the reason the lights are not out, because there was a lot of oil and natural gas underway outside the Persian Gulf when the war started. And it took days or weeks to get there. And still being unloaded now, right about now is when the pipeline dries out. Pipeline. There's nothing in transit now, because the straits have been closed for over a month, this is where the crunch comes in. And don't think for one second the stock markets are efficient. That's one of these egghead myths. Stock markets are very inefficient. They'll wake up one day and all of a sudden adjust in an incredible way. And they have not. Stock markets and bond markets have not priced in what we're talking about, which is escalation, war, which seems to be Trump's only option. The Straits of Hormuz remaining closed. And you're seeing it not just a gas at the pump. Airline tickets have gone up 50%, very short period of time. There's no jet fuel, we're going to run out of oil and natural gas, refineries are going to shut down, etc. That's what we're talking about, a major, not just a recession. You know, this happened, but this is, this is almost unprecedented, probably to go back to the Great Depression for something like it. So markets are going to adjust for that. We got the war crimes debate going on. I think the US look, as you said, we're in this thing. We need to be a lot smarter. And this is what I did for 10 years at the CIA. I wasn't jumping out of helicopters. I was doing asymmetric warfare, financial warfare, cyber warfare, various ways of shutting down economies without, you know, necessarily dropping more bombs. I don't think we're really being that smart about this.
Steve Bannon
Jim rickards. Rickards war room.com you get access to strategic intelligence that is based upon predictive analytics. He also throws in a free book on artificial intelligence and fiat currency, which will keep you up at night. Rickards, thank you so much for taking time away today. Look forward to talking to you in the next couple of days. Great, thanks. Thank you. So, Patrick, we got Antietam and the Emancipation Proclamation is one. Give me another example.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
Another example would be the Whiskey Rebellion, which occurs in Washington's first term, where people rise up against a, you know, attacks on whiskey, very unpopular. You know, Washington diplomatically tries to deal with it, you know, works away at it, but eventually he's the first commander in chief to lead troops in battle personally and, and crushes it. And that sets a precedent for the, the United States and, you know, the New Republic, which is just, you know, on its early legs. Another example, you know, it's kind of a mundane one, but the Louisiana Purchase wasn't necessarily, believe it or not, popular at the time. And Washington, Jefferson, has to make a huge and monumental decision to buy, you know, go into debt and buy.
Steve Bannon
Hang on, hang on. I want to. I want to. I want to. I want to stick to. I want to stick to commander in chief. I want to stick to Ed's role as commander in chief. That's his role as president to make, and you're right, horribly unpopular. Had to be explained. How are they going to finance it? It kind of worked out for us. I think. It kind of worked out for us.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
It sure did.
Steve Bannon
Right. Of course, a lot of people said. A lot of people just said, take it. Napoleon can't defend it. Just take it. But what about. Because I think Antietam is a good example because it shows you where you're trying to get the moral authority. And, you know, there's a lot of questions about this Right now. You have a very cogent argument why we have the moral authority to do this. I think that's one of the things that this debate. And debate will only intensify, particularly as this is protracted and it gets bloodier. Right. So. But as a commander.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
Absolutely. This is not a. This is not.
Steve Bannon
And this is why this Constitution. The Constitution's written like it's written to put that power in an office with one person. There's no war council. There's no, you know, take a vote. The. There's no take a vote here. It all comes down to one person. So give me another example of where you think this has been in that top five. Did you say this is in the top five?
Patrick K. O'Donnell
President Truman's decision to drop the atomic bomb and the war. That's a tremendous responsibility. He's opening up the possibility of destroying civilization itself. But also it's the opportunity to destroy Japan, which we know would have fought to the death. Pretty much that regime was absolutely convinced they would have fought to death. You know, hundreds of thousands would have died. Americans would have died as well as Japanese citizens had that decision not been made.
Steve Bannon
What do you. I tell you what, let's go. Let's get people to your writings. I think it's very important, particularly you're working on another big book that'll come out in a year or so, your last book, another best seller.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
It'll be out in November.
Steve Bannon
People go, and I. And I want people to focus.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
It's on the Revolutionary War.
Steve Bannon
I want people to focus. Yeah, I want people to focus on also your book when you were in bed as a combat historian with a Marine rifle platoon. So where do people go to get all your current writings, everything you put up on Breitbart and your books it's
Patrick K. O'Donnell
at Combat Historian which is on X as well as Getter and my website is patrickkodonnell.com I've got 14 books now. You know I'm very grateful to the audience at the War Room. Just there's just tremendous readers out there of American history and you know it's always a privilege to be on the show.
Steve Bannon
Well it's always an honor to have you on here. Particularly some of your writings recently at Breitbart have been very intriguing. Patrick K. O' Donnell the latest one is called on this.
Patrick K. O'Donnell
The latest on Breitbart is the Iranian Anaconda Plan. I wrote it a month ago about strangling the source of revenue for the regime which will collapse it eventually. It might not happen in a month, it may not happen even in a year but it'll go down if their revenue is taken away. And then we also got to go after them hammering tongs financially.
Steve Bannon
Thank you brother. Appreciate you. And Patrick K. O' Donnell teed it up. Perfect Lake brought in the Whiskey Rebellion. Get Cameron Kinsey in here to talk about taxes. The some of the veterans I think it was in Pennsylvania, they weren't real happy about Alexander Hamilton's plan to come in and tax them. Americans always had this thing about taxes, only our revolution started because of it. Cameron Kinsey, Captain Jim Fennell, Tage Gill and others. Next in the War Room.
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Patrick K. O'Donnell
War Room here's your host Stephen K. Ban.
Steve Bannon
They had a problem at the beginning of the country where we had too much debt and not enough revenue. Kind of a problem we got today, Revolutionary War debt. And Alexander Hamilton came up with a plan. He says you know what, we gotta start putting some excise taxes on people and let's maybe one of the ones we do it are these, I don't wanna call them moonshiners but guys making this great whiskey out in western Pennsylvania and we'll put excess tax on that. And these folks didn't take that lightly. They said I don't think so. That led to this Whiskey Rebellion which was really standing up to say no, we're not going to do it. Little known fact in history, General Washington at that time actually came back and was going to lead the force. I think it was 12 or 13,000 man army, bigger than a lot of the times. He had his own continental army fighting the revolution and Hamilton, I think was made a major general, lieutenant general and they started to lead this force. Of course, the rebellion collapsed and everyone lived happily ever after in this country, although there's always been this fight about taxes. Cameron Kinsey joins us in President Trump's first term. We got a problem right now. I just saw the budget. It looks like it's going to get worse. Bigger deficits, bigger gap between what the federal government needs as far as cash goes and what the needs are of this government. And people say President Trump said he's getting away from income tax. That is a long term goal of President Trump saying if tariffs work, if these other things work, if the growth comes in, that eventually you won't have to pay personal income taxes. That is decades and decades away from ever having. So don't think, just, hey, President Trump told me, I don't want to follow. You got to follow. And Scott Bessant needs every penny he can get. Cameron, what have you got to help folks out there between the bid and the ask of what the federal government says you owe and what you think you owe, Ma'.
Cameron Kinsey
Am, well, well, thank you so much for having me on. And you're exactly right. We have so many people calling in thinking that they can put this off or that they don't have to pay due to this administration. And that is just not the case. The IRS's job is to collect. But fortunately, you have people willing to be in your corner. Through this. Tax Network USA has saved people over a billion dollars in back taxes. We share the same values of the people watching. Our team is made up of CPAs, licensed tax attorneys, even former IRS agents who know the tax code inside and out and know how to help you. The IRS isn't going to advertise, you know, these resources that are available to you. So that's why it's so important to have professionals in your corner. We work with people like small business owners, salaried employees, retirees, even gig workers. And I know, Ben, and we mentioned this last time, Steve, about a free discovery and investigative call. We are doing that all the way up until April 15th. And this is significant because if you owe money to the irs, you often have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. And so you don't know what flags are on your account, whether a levy may be pending, whether there are wages about to be garnished, whether an agent has even been assigned to your case. And so that research set normally costs hundreds, if not thousands of dollars and is typically done once you become a client of ours. But for the war room posse, we are still doing this all the way up until deadline. You should not wa. You should not panic, especially if you have these free resources in your corner. So it is so important to call. This will give you clarity. It'll give you peace of mind. It'll give you situational awareness. You will understand exactly where you stand with the IRS before making any rash decisions. And most importantly, you will not have to deal with the IRS yourself. Tax Network USA basically acts as a liaison between you and them so you're not having to be on hold with them while your wife is cooking dinner, while you're trying to spend time with your kids. I know that the biggest part of this is that people panic or they're too embarrassed. They stuff those letters in a drawer hoping that this problem goes away. And it never does. It actually gets worse. And that's where those penalties will stack up over time. So if you're curious about your standing, I know tax season, it's not fun. Nobody wants to deal with it. We completely understand, and that is why we have professionals willing to do this for you. So if you're interested, call. 866-513-5516. Yes, Steve.
Steve Bannon
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Captain Jim Fennell
Excuse me.
Steve Bannon
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Cameron Kinsey
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Steve Bannon
Cameron, thank you for setting this up. I really appreciate it. The feedback's been tremendous. Tax usa go call today. Thank you, ma'.
Captain Jim Fennell
Am.
Steve Bannon
Cameron Kinsey from the first term. Need her back in now. They need people, they need bodies. She's fantastic. Captain Fennell, your assessment? We're getting ready to wrap up the morning show, hopefully have you back on tomorrow after whatever transpires tonight. But right now it's a countdown to 8pm Eastern Daylight Time. Your thoughts?
Captain Jim Fennell
Well, Steve, I think the president is, you know, tried every which way to extend the deadline as you opened in the show and showed the different extensions. He's also applied pressure and even today with this combined strikes on Carg island and the bridges and whatnot to get across to whoever is running Iran at this point that it's better to negotiate than to go to this next phase. I hope and pray that they make a deal and they bend a knee, but if they don't, then you're going to see those second and third rings of infrastructure and the oil and the production. Those rings that were in John Worden's systematic analysis of how to take down your adversary. Those are going to be destroyed. There won't be war crimes. We're not going to strike civilians. The Iranians are saying they're going to put civilians around, but we'll watch out for that. But we're going to shut down their ability to have electricity, their ability to transport goods, military equipment and things of that nature. And if they continue, he'll take out Carg island and shut off their ability to get any oil revenue from oil sales. That's an easy thing to do. It could be done in a Very short order by attacking pumping stations on the mainland of Iran or on Carg Island. And Carg island would become useless. So there's lots of ways to do this. The Strait of Hormuz and these other places will come open, as the President said, but that's the next phase. And it will get very intense. And we just have to say, as Admiral Cooper said many weeks ago, we have to steady our resolve. We're on a plan. The plan is working. And the most important thing, I think, for this young generation of us boomers here that are talking about this, but for the new generation of young people, pay attention how the President went and tried to save the lives of every American, and he's not, as we said. I was last on, on Palm Sunday, and we were talking about invasions of Iran with Marines, and I called it a non sequitur. I still call it a non sequitur. We are not going to put Americans lives at risk for this in the ways that we have done in the past. The president wants to finish this off, end this regime's capacity to inflict harm on the region and make us go back to having a kind of a peaceful Middle Eastern area, which allows us then to start paying attention to the main thing, the People's Republic of China. And we're going to do that.
Steve Bannon
The regime's mentality, because they just told the New York Times that they cut off any diplomatic discussions that they're out and, you know, essentially bring it. When you have that mindset, how do you see this thing developing over the next couple of days?
Captain Jim Fennell
Well, it's going to get ugly for Iran. It's the people of Iran, the civilians that don't back the mullahs and don't back the irgc. They need to hunker down and get into bunkers and hide and protect themselves. And then we on the west and our allies outside of Iran have to be prepared for a lot of ballistic missiles and drones that are going to come at us. And I know that we've had some people on the show that have said that we're going to run out of defensive systems here. They said it two or three weeks ago, and they said it with only a week left. I think that's been exaggerated. And I think we'll deal with the remaining missiles that come, and then we will ratchet it up some more, because there's more that can be done to the Iranian regime, and these are just the next phases of that. And they need to. They need to feel this pain. Unfortunately, it's Too bad.
Steve Bannon
Captain, thank you so much. Where do we get your writings when you put them up on. On what? Naval Institute, Press and American Greatness. Where can people get your writings?
Captain Jim Fennell
Yeah, those are the two areas where I write the most. I've got something coming up in U.S. naval Institute. The annual People's Liberation Army Navy Review comes out in May, and I occasionally write for American greatness as well.
Steve Bannon
Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Taj Gill. Do I have Taj? Taj, you've been, I don't know, over a dozen deployments over into bad neighborhoods. Your thoughts as the president's laid out today that it's one of the most important days in world history. Sir?
Taj Gill
Yeah. It seems like these red lines keep getting pushed out. Every couple of weeks there's a new red line and we keep escalating further into this conflict. I think once we go past a certain point of no return, there's no de. Escalating. We just got to finish them off and hopefully the Iran regime will come to the table and we don't have to bomb all their power plants and desalinization plants and basically cripple the Iranian people. But President Trump's on a mission. We'll see what he does.
Steve Bannon
What. What assessment? Give me your assessment of what. Got about a minute here. I'm going to keep you through the break over the weekend. Just an incredible rescue, but as I tell people, the military is trained for that. They're going to do that, and they do it with a steely resolve. Your observation since there was a lot of SEAL Team Six involved in that?
Taj Gill
Yeah, the operation was incredible. They went in there and they got this American backseater out. Looks like this guy was a full board colonel. He was riding the back seat with F15s. There's some speculation that he may have been an air boss for a bigger mission. We don't know. That's all rumor. But the. They. They put two MC130 special operation birds on the ground in Iran and then rolled out little birds, launched them with Seal Team 6 operators and recovered this full board. Colonel brought him back. And then apparently they had bad intelligence about the. The airfield. It was wet and sandy and the. The plane sunk in. So. But at the end of the day, they got, they got. They got our guy out. That's the most important thing. But it was a huge loss of equipment. You know, we lost F15A10, two MC130s, three little birds, and then reapers, and we don't know if there's anything else. That's all the stuff that's in public. So it was a very costly mission, but it was worth it.
Steve Bannon
Yeah. Tage, hang on for one second. Short commercial break.
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Taj Gill
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Steve Bannon
Look forward to talking to you tonight and seeing you tomorrow. Thank you, brother. Mike Lindell, you've been very close to the president. This is why certain men become president. United States Commander in Chief. President's got the weight of the world on his shoulders now. Give me a minute on that. You're getting into politics to run for governor. And then I want to end the day on an uptick by you talking to us about deals that the Warren posse are waiting for. Yeah.
Mike Lindell
And you know, with our president, I reached out for. You know, I tell him he's praying for good discernment and that he has great discernment. And I've said it before, he does have a gift from God where you have problem solution and he knows what it'll manifest to. And I think people so many times, they say, well, you know, he's doing this. It's going to be the end of the world. This is going to happen, or this is going to happen. And then you look three, four months down the road and it didn't happen. It happened the way he thought it would happen, or it turned out to be a good thing. So I think, yeah, it's a big day. It's a big night, and we don't know what it's going to be. But I tell people, just keep the faith. I've always said it, Steve. We're in the greatest time ever to be alive. God's given us grace for such a time as this. Yes, I'm running for governor here in Minnesota. Minnesota. Here. We've got a. We're going to have a good surprise for everybody on the five o' clock show. And, I mean, I'm back here. I got, I think, five rallies over the next seven days here and one to my homes, my hometown here in Chaska, Minnesota. So that'll be like a big reunion of people I haven't seen in a long time. But for my pillow, remember, we moved so many products that were earmarked for the box stores, and then where they cancel us, you get 80% off, up to 80% off, free shipping on the entire order. We've got flannel sheets. We've got kitchen, kitchen items. We've got blankets, slippers, all this stuff discounted up to 80%. Free shipping on your entire order. You guys go to mypillow.com war room and you're gonna see the Giza dream sheets there. This is the last day for those that 69.99 and 79.99 for the Queen size. For the king size, you guys, that's the lowest price in history. Today's it. It's it right now. This is it. You guys order now. Free shipping on your entire. Remember? That's it right now. This is it. You guys order now. Free shipping on your entire. Remember the big ticket items, the Made in the usa My pillow, mattresses and mattress toppers. Use that promo code. War room, 800-873-1062. I'm going downstairs and I'm going to take five calls right now.
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This episode of The War Room centers on a dramatic turning point in U.S. foreign policy—President Trump's announcement that the nation is facing one of the most consequential days in world history, particularly in relation to the ongoing conflict with Iran. The show brings together military historians, strategic analysts, and combat veterans to assess the gravity of the situation, the moral and historical precedents, and the broader implications for America's domestic and global standing.
(01:25–05:15)
"It's definitely one of the top five crucial consequential decisions in American history that a president is making." (01:46 – O'Donnell)
(03:37–07:28)
"The enemy inside our gate is 100 times a bigger problem for this country than what was happening in Tehran." (07:28 – Bannon)
(08:43–15:15)
"War tends to unify the population, whatever internal divisions they may have... There's not going to be regime change. We're past that." (08:43 – Rickards)
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"We are in the Middle east, which is a sideshow to a sideshow... We're losing the war inside this country. If we don't face this, it's going to be over." (17:34 – Bannon)
(20:09–22:33)
"We're going to run out of oil and natural gas, refineries are going to shut down, etc. This is almost unprecedented, probably to go back to the Great Depression for something like it." (21:49 – Rickards)
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"There’s no war council... It all comes down to one person." (24:48 – Bannon)
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"You're going to see those second and third rings of infrastructure and the oil and the production... Those are going to be destroyed." (35:55 – Fennell)
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"Every couple of weeks there's a new red line and we keep escalating further into this conflict. I think once we go past a certain point of no return, there's no de-escalating." (40:23 – Gill)
Steve Bannon:
"Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people." (00:35)
Patrick K. O'Donnell:
"We have 250 years of irregular warfare experience. We pioneered it. You fight irregular wars with irregulars." (06:50)
"If their revenue is taken away ... it'll go down." (27:01)
Jim Rickards:
"There's not going to be regime change. We're past that." (08:48)
"This kind of war just makes them [the Iranian regime] stronger politically, culturally, from a civilizational perspective." (12:25)
"Stock markets and bond markets have not priced in what we're talking about, which is escalation, war..." (21:10)
Captain Jim Fennell:
"There won't be war crimes. We're not going to strike civilians. The Iranians are saying they're going to put civilians around, but we'll watch out for that." (36:34)
"[A full-scale invasion] is a non sequitur. We are not going to put Americans lives at risk for this in the ways that we have done in the past." (37:31)
Taj Gill:
"They put two MC130 special operation birds on the ground in Iran and then rolled out little birds, launched them with Seal Team 6 operators and recovered this full board colonel." (41:22)
| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening/Judging the Significance of the Day | 01:25–05:15 | | Moral Authority & Historical Precedents | 03:37–07:28 | | Jim Rickards’ Strategic Analysis | 08:43–15:15 | | Domestic Focus & Enemy Within | 16:10–20:09 | | Economic/Energy Fallout | 20:09–22:33 | | Commander in Chief Precedents | 23:07–25:16 | | Military Escalation Paths (Fennell) | 35:34–39:33 | | Ground Perspective (Gill/Rescue mission) | 40:23–42:22 |
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