THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 (EP.#5000)

Summary

Real America’s Voice: The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon, Dec. 16, 2025 (Episode #5000)

Main Theme & Purpose

This milestone episode of The War Room, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon with prominent conservative voices such as Jack Posobiec, Caroline Wren, Dan Caldwell, and guests, focuses on a range of urgent issues: the high-profile murder of conservative student Ella Cook at Brown University, the acid attack on a Christian woman in Savannah, the pattern of left-wing violence, media silence on attacks against conservatives and Christians, and U.S. national security, particularly the debate over security guarantees for Ukraine. The tone is urgent, combative, and unapologetically critical of what the hosts perceive as systemic failure by authorities, academia, and conservative media alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Brown University Shooting — Targeted Attack on Conservatives

• Ella Cook’s Murder

  • Ella Cook, vice-chair of Brown College Republicans and an outspoken conservative Christian, was murdered on Brown's campus.
  • Three days later, basic facts remain unclear: no details on the shooter’s identity, no clear security footage, and little information released by authorities ([11:10]–[13:29]).
  • Caroline Wren and Steve Bannon both argue the attack was targeted against conservatives and Christians, not random ([13:29]).
  • Wren criticizes Brown for poor security (“$100,000 in tuition, you have an $8 billion endowment and you don't have cameras or key fob access into your classrooms?” — [12:13] Caroline Wren).
  • There were reports the attacker shouted “Allahu Akbar” or possibly “Ella,” fueling speculation of an ideological motive ([13:29]).
  • Social media and Reddit saw “Free Palestine” activists celebrating Ella Cook's death ([13:29]).

• Law Enforcement Critique

  • Panelists call for FBI takeover from local police, citing incompetence and lack of urgency ([16:03]).
  • FBI's reward for the shooter called "insulting," compared to high rewards for information on foreign fugitives ([13:29]).

• Broader Pattern

  • The murder is described as part of a “pattern of left-wing violence against conservatives” along with recent attacks and threats on other high-profile conservatives ([07:14] Caroline Wren).

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2. The Savannah Acid Attack — Crime, Media Bias, and Islamism

• Incident Details

  • In Georgia, a Christian woman named Ashley was attacked with acid after leaving church in Forsyth Park, Savannah. The chemical agent used is still unidentified ([25:35] Candace Taylor).
  • The attack is framed as both a sign of rising crime and an ideologically inspired, unaddressed form of violence ([25:35]–[26:05]).

• Media and Law Enforcement Response

  • Caroline Wren fiercely criticizes both law enforcement and conservative media for not covering these attacks as major stories ([28:01]).
  • Emphasis on the symbolic targeting of Christian women and a lack of media outrage if the victims don't fit a progressive narrative ([29:33] Jack Posobiec).

• Pattern and Accusations

  • The hosts suggest such attacks echo Islamist tactics in other countries and blame “open border” and multiculturalism policies (“...attack the way the Islamists try to do and try to attack women all the time.” — [27:26] Steve Bannon).

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3. “Primal Scream of a Dying Regime” — MAGA in the Crosshairs

• Targeting of Christians and Conservatives

  • Panel sees a broader cultural war where Christian, conservative women are “now the target” on college campuses and in public ([36:43] Caroline Wren).
  • “The people that get things done in our movement are Christian women. They understand this. That's why Christian women are now the target.” ([38:10] Steve Bannon).

• Media & MAGA Movement

  • Discussion on the indifference and contempt of mainstream (and even conservative) media towards attacks on right-leaning figures.
  • Social media, particularly Reddit, criticized for allowing left-wing celebration of conservative deaths ([16:03]).
  • Jack Posobiec calls for “Frank Rizzo” tactics (aggressive, sweeping police action) against “subversive groups”; hosts decry inaction ([24:54]).

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4. Ukraine Security Guarantees — Foreign Policy & Military Reform

• Ukraine Crisis and Article 5

  • Concerns over reports that the US is considering NATO-style, Article 5 security guarantees for Ukraine, tying US troops to defense of Ukraine against Russia ([39:43]–[44:56]).
  • Bannon, Posobiec, and Ben Harnwell argue this is “complete insanity,” unwise, and not in US vital interests with US sovereignty eroding at home.
    • “What possibly when we don't have control of Minneapolis or New York City or Chicago... We don't have our sovereignty here...” ([41:06] Steve Bannon)
  • Ben Harnwell: “The reciprocity is a hoax. It's fig leaf, this is purely a one way traffic deal...” ([44:56])

• History and Geopolitics

  • Posobiec provides historical context for the Donbass region, highlighting its long, violent history and improbability of imposed peace ([53:27]).
  • Dan Caldwell doubts Russians will ever accept security guarantees making Ukraine a “de facto” NATO member ([54:42]).

• US Military Command Reform

  • Discussion on reports of proposed reforms to consolidate US military combatant commands from six to three to reduce power imbalances and “pro consul” behavior by generals ([56:12] Dan Caldwell).
  • Bannon and Posobiec frame this as a necessary move to restore civilian command and prevent generals from independently running US foreign policy ([57:59]–[58:58]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Ella Cook and campus violence:

  • “Put it out in the public and let's find this guy. Or you don't have it, which means you did not, you were not protecting the beautiful students at your university that you are in charge of protecting...”
    — Caroline Wren ([12:13])

• On a broader left-wing violence pattern:

  • “There's a pattern here and it is a pattern of left wing violence against conservatives, against Christians and we have got to stop it.”
    — Caroline Wren ([07:14])

• On FBI and university response:

  • “It's sickening, sickening, sickening that the FBI ought to step in here because obviously they're too incompetent at Brown. This another campus police group like the guys out at Utah Valley.”
    — Steve Bannon ([16:03])

• On Christian women as movement backbone and target:

  • “Don't think the enemy, don't. The enemy's not stupid. Okay? ... That's why Christian women are now the target.”
    — Steve Bannon ([38:10])

• On need for aggressive law enforcement:

  • “You gotta go Frank Rizzo style on these groups. That's how he took care of things in Philadelphia during the 1960s, 1970s. And you know what? It worked.”
    — Jack Posobiec ([24:54])

• On Ukraine guarantees & US priorities:

  • “There's nothing the United States can do when we got to get our own sovereignty. It's not in the vital national security interests of the United States. It's just going to suck us in.”
    — Steve Bannon ([48:06])

• On legacy and ancient conflict in Donbass:

  • “This has been the clash of empires since time immemorial. From the time of the the Scythian empires, the Pontic step, thousands upon thousands of years, empires, warfare, it all goes back to this area.”
    — Jack Posobiec ([53:27])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Brown University shooting / Ella Cook’s death: [11:10]–[16:03], [22:10]–[24:40], [36:41]
• Savannah acid attack & crime escalation: [25:35]–[28:01]
• Pattern of left-wing violence / Media coverage: [07:14], [13:29], [29:33], [36:43]
• Law enforcement / FBI critique: [16:03], [24:54]
• Ukraine, NATO-style guarantees, US military reform: [39:43]–[44:56], [53:27]–[55:42], [56:12]–[59:57]
• Christian women as movement backbone/target: [38:10]
• Frank Rizzo law & order solution: [24:54]
• Closing reflections on peace, President Trump, and military command: [52:25]–[55:42]

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Tone and Language

The episode is combative, highly critical of liberal academia, mainstream & conservative media, local law enforcement, and the DC establishment. The hosts blend outrage with dark humor and war metaphors. The call is for aggressive action, both legally and culturally, to defend conservatives and Christians whom they frame as the "real America" under siege.

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Conclusion

This War Room episode frames recent violent events—a campus shooting and an acid attack—as proof of a growing, targeted war against American conservatives and Christians, exemplified by media neglect and lackluster investigation. The panel rails against cowardice, bureaucracy, and perceived appeasement by authorities and conservative media alike, urging the MAGA audience to brace for confrontation both at home and abroad, and to demand accountability, action, and honest coverage.

Transcript

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[Caroline Wren]

The gunmen were inspired by Islamic State ideology after police say they found a pair of homemade Islamic State flags in a car belonging to one of the suspects. Authorities have identified them as a father and son. The 50 year old father was fatally shot at the scene. The 24 year old son suffered critical injuries and is currently in the hospital. Additionally, Australian police say they are investigating a recent trip. Authorities say the two suspects took to the Philippines to receive, quote, military style training. Bring us up to date. Have you heard from the Department of Defense and this investigation now that has been launched.

[Dan Caldwell]

And Senator, also, what do you think.

[Steve Bannon]

About your latest ally, Pete Hegman?

[Dan Caldwell]

Well, yeah, I mean, where's that guy been?

[Steve Bannon]

I mean Pete Hegseth of 2016 makes.

[Dan Caldwell]

A ton of sense and now he's proven to be the most unqualified secretary of defense we've ever had.

[Steve Bannon]

I still have not been notified by.

[Dan Caldwell]

The Department of Defense or the United States Navy. It has been, I've actually heard nothing. We do some to see some stuff.

[Steve Bannon]

On social media from time to time. So Senator, have you been asked to say turn over documents? Just trying to get to the bottom.

[Dan Caldwell]

Whether this is an actual investigation or.

[Steve Bannon]

Is it like a social media campaign?

[Dan Caldwell]

It's probably the latter, at least for now.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is escalation.

[Dan Caldwell]

Right. They say something about a command investigation without even explaining what that is. And by the way, I found out about that from the new press corps at the Pentagon which consists of Matt Gaetz and the Pizzagate conspiracy guy that now work over there. So that's how we hear about this stuff. So, you know, from my perspective, it doesn't seem, you know, very serious. So we do have to take this seriously.

[Caroline Wren]

Yeah.

[Dan Caldwell]

And you know, I've got attorneys and we're going to, you know, mount a strong defense. This is all about escalation and intimidation. But in this case, they got the wrong guy. I'm not going to back off.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm not going to stop doing my.

[Dan Caldwell]

Job because Donald Trump said I should be hanged and executed. And Hegseth says, you know, there's going.

[Steve Bannon]

To be an investigation under the Uniform.

[Dan Caldwell]

Code of Military justice for, by the way, saying what is in the ucmj.

[Steve Bannon]

During the raid on John Bolton's house, he was tweeting about the search as it was going on, which directly puts the involved agents lives in danger if people flock to the scene and decide to take issue with respect to the plot that was unmasked in Michigan, I think around Halloween. It was reported recently in the Wall Street Journal that his tweeting about that arrest before other nationwide efforts were complete caused other suspects in other regions of the country involved with the case to speed up their plans to leave the United States. So at the most basic level, he is throwing a wrench in the works of the investigative process with every tweet or pronouncement he makes without actually knowing the facts. Now, this has other consequences, too. It is incredibly cruel, as we just saw, to the community of Providence and particularly the students at Brown who thought for a moment that they were safe, that the problem was contained and that they did not need to worry anymore. And we've got to note there are students there for whom this is their second mass shooting. That's probably another topic. But lastly, I'd point out that if he's telling people that they have the subject, then other law enforcement agencies, which are not directly involved in this particular manhunt, but are in the surrounding areas, who would probably have their feelers attuned to what was going on and be on the lookout for anything suspicious in neighboring areas, might have let their guard down thinking that there was no longer a problem. And that might have caused us to lose a tip to not check certain surveillance footage, to not review license plate readers. It could have caused any number of things that should have happened not to Providence.

[Caroline Wren]

Rhode island is notable, is small. And so their police force is who is running this cash has come out and said that the FBI out of Boston is coming in to assist. But technically, you know, they don't have jurisdiction over it unless it's confirmed that it's domestic terrorists or that the suspect crossed state lines. And so I think having the Providence police, though, lead this is kind of where they've proven that I think it's too small and that the FBI does need to come in and really take this over. But the governor has to request that. And so I'm hoping that that happen soon because I don't believe that this is just some random attack. There's a pattern of these attacks. Three months ago, we watched as Charlie Kirk got assassinated on live television. And then President Trump has had two assassination attempts against his life. More than half the cabinet and White House Staff have all had to move on to military bases due to the threats against their lives. I mean, Alina Haba and Ed Martin have both been attacked. Stephen and Katie Miller had to move out of their home because left wing lunatics were riding in chalk every morning on their driveway. Death threats. A left wing wing sniper just murdered three people at an ICE facility in Texas. We just had two National Guards troops gunned down in D.C. i mean, I can, I can go on and on, but like there's a pattern here and it is a pattern of left wing violence against conservatives, against Christians and we have got to stop it. And this takes the FBI's full and present attention.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Jack Posobiec]

Medieval on these people.

[Steve Bannon]

There's not got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people, the people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Caroline Wren]

MAGA media.

[Jack Posobiec]

I wish in my skin soul, I.

[Caroline Wren]

Wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Steve Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my.

[Dan Caldwell]

Country, this country will be saved.

[Jack Posobiec]

War room here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

Tuesday the 16th of December, year of our Lord 2025. We've got the Pizzagate guy that's living rent free in Captain Mark Kelly's head. As Mark Kelly gets recalled to active duty and put on trial for his sedition and treason. Jack Bosoba joins us. Caroline Wren with that magnificent rant yesterday that kind of summed it all up. We're going to start today. We're going to go from Providence, Rhode island to Savannah, Georgia and talk about some of the deep problems in this country that must attention must be paid. Caroline Wren. This situation, I got enough that Poso had a prerecord he was doing, working on a show. He's so upset about this, he said, hey, I gotta jump on here at the start with Caroline. This thing of this targeting of this, this heroic, beautiful young conservative that was gunned down up at Brown. I don't understand. And one of the folks put up a. Put up, you know, one of these satirical tweets. I think we've got it that's got like the Mars moon lander, moon landing or Mars landing in high definition from, I don't know, six zillion light years away versus Sasquatch, right? One thing they've got, with 800 cameras, facial recognition, they've got, they've got Sasquatch from, I don't know, 500 yards away. That's just a blob walking down the street in a jacket and a mask. Is enough attention being paid to Brown University, the most left wing of all the ivies in this young heroic conservative that was murdered in cold blood? Ma', Am.

[Caroline Wren]

No, enough attention is absolutely not being paid to this. I mean we are now, three days later, we still don't know the height, weight, a basic description even of the Brown University shooter. And this, I mean he walked into a lecture hall with 60 students and he opened fire. Now I went to college 20 years ago, but when I went to college we'd have a student ID to even access a building. And Brown University is the one of the most expensive, elite universities. So how did this guy just waltz into a lecture hall, into any building on campus and then into a classroom and open fire? Did he have a student id? Did he shoot a student on his way into a room and use his key fob like how do we not even have information like that that they are putting out? All they put out is a video that to me appears like it was actually taken from someone's ring camera at their home of him out on a street. No video or pictures of this man actually on the campus of Brown University. So either they are withholding that information, which. Why would you withhold that? That makes no sense. Put it out in the public and let's find this guy.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look at those.

[Caroline Wren]

Or you don't have it, which means you did not, you were not protecting the beautiful students at your university that you are in charge of protecting and taking. They pay $100,000 in tuition, you have an $8 billion endowment and you don't have cameras or key fob access into your classrooms.

[Steve Bannon]

But something else is scary. Exams were supposed to start this week. This is a Saturday afternoon, I think at three or four o' clock in the afternoon. This is kind of a makeup. This is a last second come. It's an economics 110, I think you know, freshman economics, principals, Economics. A teaching assistant is holding a. Okay, we're going to the blackboard and basically talk about what's going to be on the exam. You're going to have to learn it yourself. You've got two days to cram because most of you haven't been to class. But it's not on any register that they're having a 4 o' clock class. Just 4 o' clock class is there as a prep. There's so much information that's out there and no clues at all. At least they're coming forward about who to search for, what to look for, how to do it. They've sent everybody on campus home. Hell, they may have sent the killer home. We don't have, there's, there's not 100%. There wasn't somebody on campus yet. They sent everybody home right away, ma'. Am.

[Caroline Wren]

They said they told everyone that they didn't think there was any, that they'd caught the guy and that there was no imminent threat on campus. Turned out they caught the wrong guy. So they're still, in my mind, probably was a very imminent threat on campus. Unless this was a targeted shooting and he went in there with the intention of targeting Ella Cook, who was the 19 year old beautiful girl from Mountain Brook, Alabama, who had the courage and bravery and audacity, I guess, to be the vice chair of the College Republicans. Keep in mind the university paper at Brown did a poll one month ago of their students. There's about 11,000 students at Brown. Only 0.08% of those students identified as very conservative. So if you do that math, that roughly again, I said this yesterday, comes out to about 92 students. So 92 students, one of which is now dead, who identified as very conservative, were attacked, or all those students were. But I'm saying that that is not to be just random, right? Like did he go into that room with the intention of attacking her and then just shot up others? But why? It has been three days and we know nothing. And these, this is information that could help find the killer. Another thing, I think that was bizarre. The police did a press conference yesterday and they would not confirm what the shooter yelled out before he started shooting. So you had a room of 60 students, 11 which have been shot, two are now dead. But that means that there are, you know, at least they said somewhere around 60, 40 students who are in there who could confirm what this man shot. At least five students that I have seen have confirmed on the record of media interviews saying that he yelled Ali U Akbar. Well, I think that that's pretty relative information. I think that that would matter as there is a massive search for the shooter. Did he yell Ali Akbar? Because then we should be looking for a free Palestine terrorist. And Reddit yesterday, by the way, had to shut down the Brown University board because free Palestine students were celebrating Ella Cook's death. So what's why are we having to play detective over here trying to piece these things together. They need to be giving out more information and they need to find the animal that did this. And the FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information on the shooter. Why are these numbers always so low? Like 50,000. I'm sorry but we're offering 50 million for information on where Nicolas Maduro is. Breaking news. You can send me the money. He does public rallies where he sings and dances John Lennon songs every day. So you know, where's my 50 million? Why don't you take that money and go put up a real reward and find the savage animal that walked into a university and killed two students and shot nine others.

[Steve Bannon]

I just want to make sure people know on Reddit which has become so left wing they had to shut down one of the sections on on Brown because the the pro Palestinian jihadists are sitting there mocking Ella Cook just like, just like Charlie Kirk's assassination was mocked and it was mocked by these people. Ella Cook who stood in the breach, a very conservative student at what, 18 or 19 years old in a place like Brown. That's the most left wing of all the left wing ivies and she's known as a safe pair of hands. She's known as somebody that gets in problems social media with these lefties that they go to her and she would help figure it out for them. If this thing's not targeted, we need to be it needs to be explained to us why it was not targeted. It's just a law of probabilities. It's unbelievable in this and it's sickening, sickening, sickening that the FBI ought to step in here because obviously they're too incompetent at Brown. This another campus police group like the guys out at Utah Valley. You got these keystone cops out there. Jack Basobu is going to join us. Take your phone out, text Birch. Gold markets are on fire again. Silver is now cost more than a barrel oil. That's kind of an inflection point people find out why text BAN&B A N N O N and 989-898 the ultimate guide which happens to be free and no obligation for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump. Buy $5,000 of gold, you get a free ounce of silver.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, Jack Masovic, we are really, really, really slammed here, so we're gonna move through this. Jack Bosobic, first off, you live in rent free in Mark Kelly's head. We're going to have Dan Caldwell and Ben Harnwell on the US Negotiators, not trump the US Negotiators offering security guarantees in Ukraine. They're also talking about reorganization of the Defense Department. We'll get all into that. But what we need him to do is recall Mark Kelly today. Captain Mark Kelly. And we need the trial. Convene a court martial and let's roll. Jack Posoba, you live and rent free in his head. Sir.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wait, Steve. I'm saying. I'm sorry, did you say Captain Mark Kelly? Because I'm thinking maybe. I'm thinking maybe Lieutenant Mark Kelly. I'm thinking maybe Ensign Mark Kelly by the time Butter bar Mark Kelly. We're thinking of George Mark Kelly whenever we're done with all this. No Mark Kelly. If you want to get up there and you want to talk all your smack, you want to talk all your trash, then let's talk. Let's talk about your wife and her best friend, Hillary Clinton, and let's talk about her ties to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm more than happy to have those conversations. But if you want to get up there and. And undermine the Commander in Chief, undermine the President, United States, and undermine the chain of command while you, sir, are collecting a pension from the United States taxpayers and are subject to the Uniform code of Military Justice, Mark Kelly, then you better be ready for all that entails because you haven't been paying attention. I think you better start brushing.

[Steve Bannon]

But. But in the Pentagon, you got to have. We got to move this along. It's taking too long. I don't want to have operational review and a thing. Just get it done. It's in war. Just do things right. Move. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's just. It's too bureaucratic. It's too procedural. It's too slow.

[Jack Posobiec]

Let's say take him to the master. I don't mast him.

[Steve Bannon]

I don't want to hear. Yeah, I don't want to hear another. Well, we got to, you know, had us informal. Now we're going formal. It's too slow, Pete. Move it. Okay, let's go back to Brown. This stinks to high heaven. Jack Posobic, give me your assessment of the assassination of Ella Cook, Sir.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, Steve, as horrific as this is, we have to look at the failed investigation here because this has gone beyond the 33 hours that it took to take down Tyler Robinson in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder. It's now, we're now on day three since this happened, almost 60 hours. So by about 4pm today, it'll be 72 hours completely. You look at the amount of cameras they have down there, you look at the amount of people on that campus, and it seems to me, Steve, that there are either people who are not talking or people who are saying or who are have things they have to say but are being silenced. These rumors, these conversations about did she say did or did the killer. Did the killer say Allah Akbar? Or I've seen also people point out Allah. Kind of sounds like Ella. So is it possible that he was calling her name Ella when he said that? Hard to say. But again, the people in the room, where's the interviews? I also want to ask why was it they said the TA locked eyes with him, but he spared the TA that the TA was not one of his initial? So that seemed to me sparks to targeting. This was not something where he was walking around on campus firing indiscriminately, which unfortunately we have seen many times in these mass shootings. This was targeted. This was clearly targeted. And we can see it in the choice of the targets. It was not indiscriminate. Spares the TA and then targets Ella Cook, this young girl. So as an investigation, that's something you have to look at. And Steve, quite frankly, you got to go Frank Rizzo. You got to go full Frank Rizzo when it comes to this. When you have a situation like this, you got to go to every single one of these subversive groups that are on campus, and you should be rounding them up and pulling them all in for questioning and saying, dude, you know this guy? Do you know anyone who looks like that guy? You look kind of like this guy. Where were you on that day? Where were you on Saturday, 4pm why weren't you around on Saturday, 4pm what's your alibi? And just go in every single one of them. It's ridiculous that they aren't doing this. You got to go Frank Rizzo style on these groups. That's how he took care of things in Philadelphia during the 1960s, 1970s. And you know what?

[Steve Bannon]

It worked, by the way, in the profile of many of the people that you got a huge antifa element. It's the most radical of all Columbia.

[Jack Posobiec]

There is a massive antifa Palestine. All the rest the of of it element.

[Steve Bannon]

No. So this is. And I don't know why the FBI. Now it's turned over to the Boston office. There's all kind of questions about the guy. That's running it. They got to just be much more people in the Trump administration now to support the president. There's some polling out. We're going to have Mitchell and embarrass now. We're going to jam them in because we got to some polling that's not the best and part and most of it's because of just action, action, action. We got the right policies, got the right plan, got the right team, just hit the bid. Hang on for one second, Jack. I wonder, is Candace, is Candace ready? Candace Taylor joins us now from Georgia. Candace, you've been a frequent guest on the show. You're running for Congress down in the Savannah area, are you not, ma'? Am?

[Candace Taylor]

I am, Steve. I'm running and I'm just sick about what's happened in Savannah.

[Steve Bannon]

Tell me about this. You've had a beautiful young Christian woman attacked with the acid in her face. You've got a crime out of control. Todd woods delivered yesterday a letter to Pete Hexis of Defense and over at the White House signed by you and many a prosecutor down there and other prominent individuals in the community saying, hey, we don't need the National Guard in Syria. We need the National Guard down in Savannah. Talk to us about it.

[Candace Taylor]

Yeah. So we have a DA in Savannah that was paid a million dollars to run by George Soros. She's a George Soros da. And we're seeing the effects of that. We had a Democrat sheriff that went in last November. We had a Republican sheriff for decades before. Savannah is just going downhill. It's getting bluer and bluer. And I have a county commissioner right now that's one of my opponents that's in Savannah and say we're not interested in more of the same. We're ready for somebody different. And what happened was a beautiful girl, her name's Ashley. She was leaving church. She was in Forsyth Park. If you know anything about Savannah, it's one of the greatest landmarks in our state, really one in the country. I got engaged there. It's beautiful fountain, it's safe. People run there. They have their dogs, their pets, their children. And she's leaving church and somebody, a man, a black male, threw acid in her face. And they haven't been able to identify the chemical compound, which is a huge issue. Doesn't seem like a random ad if there's a chemical that they cannot identify. They had swat that was Savannah, came out of swat. So SWAT hasn't been involved in this situation because they came out, got a Democrat mayor, Democrat sheriff being ran down and then where's the investigation? They haven't found the guy. There's cameras everywhere, all over Chatham county, all over the historic district, which is where this happened, but yet they can't identify. They have a picture, but they haven't even spoken to him yet.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on for a second, Jack. Caroline, let me stop you. One of the reasons you were furious yesterday, it's just not enough action being taken by FBI. But you're furious also with conservative media. Why are these stories not at the top of the pile? Why is this story not? You have a beautiful young Christian woman coming out of church, walking through one of the most historic parks in this country, right, with cameras all over, and she gets acid thrown in the face, which we know in Africa, in South Asia, in the Middle east is an attack the way the Islamists try to do and try to attack women all the time. Why is this not getting more publicity, ma'? Am?

[Caroline Wren]

Well, because everyone is talking about the death of a Hollywood movie director who is tragically but murdered by his coked out, drug addicted son. And while that is, yes, a sad situation, I want to hear, I want justice for Ella Cook. I want to know more and understand what the heck happened at this university. Mark Halperin said that he heard from the family of Ella Cook that the Christian conservative student who lost her life at Brown, that that family was told that she was the shooter's target. Now, Mark Halperin usually has some pretty decent sources here. If that is true, why are they not saying that? I don't understand, like what? The university doesn't even seem to be, you know, up in arms or that outrage. But we're talking about Brown University, which since 2022, has hired 45, you know, new tenured professors, and just three of them are actually white American men, by the way. So this is a university that I think is more focused on, you know, DEI policies than tracking down the killer that just shot 11 of their students.

[Steve Bannon]

Jack Posobec, you're one of the biggest influencers out there, Mark Kelly certainly thinks so. You're inside his head. He's worried about getting court martialed. What's. What's the situation where, you know, the Ella Cook situation looks like it's targeted, Right? Not enough people are focused on that. We got this situation in Savannah, which is a general criminal and immigration because it's a port of entry, but you've got this very specific acid attack in the face. And you know how symbolic that is. Why are people not focused on these things? Why are we not Driving this narrative.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, Steve, it's very clear, okay? It's very clear. We're coming up. It's the Christmas season. It's Hanukkah season as well. And what are they doing? They are attacking. There are Christian women who are being attacked, who are being slaughtered. They're coming for your little girls. They are coming to kill them. They want Christians to die. They're targeting Jewish families as well as we saw down in Australia. And so the problem that we've seen right here, as disgusting as it is, we need to actually understand the motivations behind this. I served at Guantanamo Bay. I don't talk about this all the time. I don't try to be one of those professional veteran types. But when I was down there, I got to see radical Islam up close and personal. And what they told us was very clear. They are doing this because of their radical religious ideology. They view that radical Islam should take over the world, that the caliphate should be introduced, that everyone should be subject to it. You'd be forced to pay the jizya tax if you refuse to convert to Islam. And others who are more radical, who say, if you refer, you refuse to commute to convert to Islam, or if you refuse to go along with it, you stand the way you will be killed. And the media will sit there and tell you, no, no, no, we just gotta bring in more migrants. We gotta be more tolerant. We gotta be nice. Gotta just bring in nizorah mandamis, bring in these, these Pakistanis to Australia. It's just gonna help with the. Just gonna help with the economy. It's better for the gdp. And it's a joke. Joke. It's an absolute joke. And people are dying because of it. People are absolutely dying because of it. You see this aversion on campuses now. You're seeing the subversion, the attacks in the streets. And it's only going to get worse until we start taking it seriously. And when I say Frank Rizzo, I mean when you shot a police officer in Philadelphia, Frank Rizzo would go to every single anti police group, the Black Panthers move, all the rest of them. And he would start. He would just start throwing people up against the wall. All right? That's what you do. You take it seriously. Like this country used to take things seriously.

[Steve Bannon]

I agree 100%. You got to go. Frank Russo, Candace Taylor. Where do people go? And find out more about your campaign. You're running on this down in Georgia and people need to talk about you got the courage to do it. We got about 30 seconds. Where do people go to find out more about you ma' am and your campaign.

[Candace Taylor]

Candace taylor.com and we have to fight against this. We're asked questions about Islam influence jihadist and we get slammed. I had hundreds of thousands of views on my videos this week about this Ashley case and they don't want to hear it. Well, a purposeful in the face of a woman and we're going to ask the hard questions and we're going to hold people accountable. Just like Jack said, we have to demand it in this country.

[Steve Bannon]

Candace Taylor Hard Christian Running for Congress down in Savannah.

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[Jack Posobiec]

War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Steve Bannon]

The great Megan Basham. And we'll try to get Megan on tomorrow. Has got up Mark Halperin's piece on his new video on his new show where he says he's got sources. And Halperin's pretty good on sources. Caroline Wren. He's got sources that says that Ella Cook, a Christian conservative, was targeted at Brown University. This is not War Room. It's not Caroline Wren. It's not pasobic. We're not yelling our mics. This is Halperin from sources saying that told she was the and the family is hearing this as he's hearing from sources close to the family. She was the shooter's target. Caroline Wren, you just had Candace Taylor, a conservative Christian running for Congress down in Savannah. She's a signator on the letter asking the president, hey, can you please get the National Guard down here? This thing's out of control. You've got a Christian woman coming back from a Christian service having acid thrown in her face, second and third degree burns over 50% of her body. You got Ella Cook, a young conservative superstar, in a snake pit. You talk about courage. You be a conservative Christian in Brown University. That's courage. Okay? And by the way, she was supposedly very well liked by everybody because she had that kind of gentle nature and firm nature that lived Christianity. Gives you your thoughts, ma'.

[Jack Posobiec]

Am.

[Caroline Wren]

I think it is just, it is so awful. It is awful what is happening with the targeting of Christian women right now across the country and the fact that you are like, we're facing hostility and it's for expressing their views, expressing their love of Jesus Christ. And I just, you know, this is happening with Charlie Kirk. We saw this and we now have what happened at Brown University. It's been over and over again and we have got to get loud and we have got to protect our homeland and our people. It is terrible. I mean, I honestly, it is amazing to me that anyone sends their kids off to these liberal universities anymore. It is so dangerous to even just be a young American walking around on these campuses. It is terrifying. Especially if you are willing could be a vocal Christian or a vocal Republican, you are automatically the target. And that is because these campuses have just fostered these. It's supposed to be a place that you have enlightenment, where you encourage discussion, you encourage your growth and meeting other people and learning other points of view. And that is not at all what is happening on these universities. I think what I would immediately like to see is a pause of these settlements with the universities. Hermeet Dhillon has been leading the charge on the negotiations with them. She's been doing an amazing job. But for right now, take more of their money, go keep fighting with them. Say you've got to secure your campus and solve the problems and find out why the fostering of hate is happening at these universities and you are allowing these kids to be attacked.

[Steve Bannon]

Caroline, where do people go? People should understand that the driving force in the MAGA movement, just like it was in the Tea Party movement and I had a ringside seat at Breitbart, in here at war Room and with President Trump are Christian women. Don't think the enemy, don't. The enemy's not stupid. Okay? They understand that the driving force, the people that will not back down in our movement ever because guys talk about things. The people that get things done in our movement are Christian women. They understand this. That's why Christian women are now the target. Caroline, where do people go? Particularly your Twitter feed, which comes in a little hot every now and again.

[Caroline Wren]

It is Aroline Wren on Twitter. Get her. And Truth Social.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, man. Appreciate you. Jack Posobic, thanks for hanging around. I thank Mike Benz for moving your prerecord time. I want to. You've got. Can we play this footage? First off, the negotiators, Witkoff and I guess Jared or whoever have agreed Wall Street Journal's all over in a tense negotiation have agreed to American security guarantees. Let me say that the Article 5 NATO level security guarantees for Ukraine against Russia that they'll never be an attack they'll never be a war. Our American troops will be called in. This is total and complete insanity. But we got a video that you saw. Can we go ahead and play that video? You don't have it? Okay, fine. That's fine. That's okay. Jack, describe the video. We don't have it up yet. Describe what you saw that the Russians are doing in Ukraine.

[Jack Posobiec]

Oh, gosh. Well, this video, and again, it's reported, you know, it seems to be a legitimate video. I'm not sure exactly of the, you know, the location, the area, but reportedly it is a video of a Russian detachment that are using. Now, we've seen counter drone strategies have really taken on a variety of different novel approaches. You've seen people using dirt bikes. You've seen because they're of their high maneuverability and also their, their speed, but all but at the same time, because as they're moving into the winter months now, the winter warfare, you get mud, you get slush, you get snow. And so the dirt bikes aren't working as well over that muddy terrain, over that slushy, icy terrain. And so the video, which reportedly is in the city of Pokrovsk, which is one of these areas in the Donbass, where the Russian forces are now moving forward. It appears to be a Russian detachment riding horses. And that Russians are Russian soldiers in uniform like that. Well, the Cossacks are more on the Ukraine side, but this. So these are, these are the Russian, Russian cavalry.

[Steve Bannon]

Russian version.

[Jack Posobiec]

Looks like the Russian Cossacks may have returned. So because again, it's the maneuverability and to get away from the drones very quickly. So actually, horses over that type of terrain does make a lot more sense.

[Steve Bannon]

I remember my dad taught me early on when he's giving me the books and start seeing about World War II in the Polish and the German invasion of Poland, I think three quarters of their maneuverability was by horses, right? And I thought, wow, this is like the 20th century. How did that happen? You see, Even in the 21st century, the horses got his. Horses got his. Jack, your thoughts? You're a naval intelligence officer. There you are right there. Isn't it amazing? Absolutely amazing. You think those people are ever going to give up? You think they're going to quit? This is my point. They've been fighting over the Bloodlands for thousands of years. You've had millions of people die in the last hundred. Millions, not thousands. Not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands. Millions of people. It's called the Bloodlands for a reason. What possibly when we don't have control of Minneapolis or New York City or Chicago. We've got Rachel Maddow on a stage mocking us about how they got illegal aliens up there on MSNBC and primetime, saying they're defending the Constitution from maga, from Tom Homan, and from Donald Trump. We don't have control of any of these cities, not one. We don't have our sovereignty here because they're defying us. And people in the administration are talking Miller and out of these guys in Homan from going in and dropping the hammer. So how can we not have our sovereignty here? And yet we're going to guarantee, we're going to guarantee a bulletproof guarantee on the security and sovereignty of Ukraine against Russia in the Bloodlands. Jack Posobic, your assessment, sir?

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, Steve, it just the fact you mentioned about the warfare in this area, and I want to say, you know, it makes me laugh because I think the folks know where the Donbass is. On a map. You go, do you have any idea how long people have been riding horses and husbandry in warfare in. In the Donbass? Okay, the Donbass is just north of a little area called the Caucus Mountains, the Caucuses.

[Steve Bannon]

All right?

[Jack Posobiec]

This is the area where warfare on horseback was created in the times of prehistory. We're talking thousands and thousands of years before they swept out into. Into Europe and went on. You're talking like this is like the hunter gatherers versus the, you know, versus the, the Neolithic, the Neolithic farmers. I mean, this is, this is as ancient as it gets from, you know, from the time that the, you know, the, you know, the first caveman took a rock to the next caveman, as Stanley Kubrick would have it. So you're talking about some ancient, ancient warfare tactics. And to say that we are going to solve it is ridiculous. You know, quite frankly, it's, it's. It's a little bit of hubris. I'm just saying it's a little bit of hubris. You gotta, you gotta have a historic.

[Steve Bannon]

Sense the valor and courage of the Ukrainian people. As Mersheimer said at the beginning, they're going to use that against them. They've lost a million and a half to 2 million people, million dead or wounded. And the place looks like. The place looks like. It looks like Dresden in 1945.

[Jack Posobiec]

Go and look at that video again. Look at the city. Look at the city behind the horses, and you can see it.

[Steve Bannon]

And the Russians have lost a million, a million and a half million. You got three or four million people dead or wounded folks in Vietnam. As horrible as Vietnam, where we had 68,000 in the scar that Vietnam left on us. Are you kidding me? This is obscenity. You got three or four million people dead. This President Trump's trying to stop it because they're killing, but they're still killing each other every day. I think they're saying 10,000 a day. President Trump's saying that, Harnwell. This is the European setting a trap. And you got Wyckoff and Jared been doing a great job. But boys, hang on. No guarantees cannot happen. And as I put this up on getter all the time and social media, it's 100% to zero. There's nobody sitting there going, yeah, we want to do that. Ben Harnwell.

[Ben Harnwell]

That's right, Steve. And the war room has been warning on this point, like for a year and a half. I remember a year and a half ago, Steve, we were actually saying to everyone who would listen that Ukraine's pitch to be admitted into NATO was just simply a negotiating tool when it came to search negotiations, in order for them to relinquish that, to make it look as if they were giving up something in order to get what they really wanted with the US Provided security guarantees. And that's exactly how this is mapped out 18 months later, Steve, because you hear the soundings coming out from Ukraine, perhaps we'll drop the NATO accession request. But what we actually want is, is the, the U.S. security guarantees. And the thing, Steve, that I can't fathom and I can't work it out, why is that the US Administration is playing along with this. The thirst for a peace deal is so great that looks like the US Is actually going to crumple on this and give Zelensky everything he wants. And by the way, you said earlier on, Steve. Yeah, let me, let me push this point as well. You said earlier on, because this is how the press is pushing this sort of Article 5 style guarantees, by the way, as, as ridiculous and as a hoax as that is, at least on paper, there is the mutual consent that if one member state gets attacked, the others will come in to defend it. That is to say, if, if Ukraine came in to NATO and America were to be attacked and Ukraine would come in and help America. That's not what is on the table, as far as I can tell in this case. So even the comparison to NATO 5 guarantees is a hoax because there's no reciprocity. Even though I labor the point, the reciprocity is a hoax. It's a fig Leaf, this is purely a one way traffic steal and it's not the most important thing that I would identify today. The most important thing is this article which I didn't send through to Denver. Excuse me for that. And it's a poll from NBC. Everybody needs to be focused on this poll which says that it's a 7% drop in Republicans identifying as MAGA. What the president should do, in my humble opinion, is call in Steve Witkoff, call in Joe Jared Kushner to the Oval Office and say, say, look at this, these guys, the Democrats are going as Steve, as you would say, as sure as the turning of the earth, the Democrats are going to try to impeach me if they get a majority after the midterms. How is this peace negotiate negotiation that you have negotiated with Ukraine, how is that going to turn the tide on this hemorrhaging of support and keep me in office?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah, right.

[Ben Harnwell]

Then you should say go back there, go back to Ukraine, go back to Kiev, go back to Moscow and negotiate a deal that is going to get MAGA now chomping at the bit to keep me in office.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's, here's, here's that they don't need to go back. They need to make a phone call, say, hey guys, if we thought upon further review, have at it. There's nothing to do. President Trump is in his goodness of his heart. He's, it hurts him to see all this killing. He says it all the time because he's getting the intelligence reports every day, the slaughter and the murder, Mr. President, this is just what they do. It ain't called the bloodlands for nothing and nothing you can do is going to change it. There's nothing the United States can do when we got to get our own sovereignty. It's not in the vital national security interests of the United States. It's just going to suck us in. And people over there think you need a deal. We don't need a deal. Europe needs a deal. The Ukrainians need a deal, the Russians, who knows? But it's not our problem. And a security guarantee or sovereignty guarantee makes it our problem. We got enough problems. We got to sort these problems out and particularly for guys like Zelensky. And these guys are stealing with both hands. Short commercial break Harnwell Poso Dan Caldwell's gonna join us. Eric Teitzel, Stick around.

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[Jack Posobiec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.

[Steve Bannon]

In the season of peace, President Trump is trying to move heaven and earth to get peace and to stop the killing. And and that's why he is a blessed are the peacemakers and President Trump's doing, doing his best efforts. But you see the concentrations of power throughout the world. One is in your own personal life. Make America healthy again. Part of that is your medical freedom. You do not need permission from corporate medical machine to take care of yourself. You know why? Allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon takes care of it. They've got licensed physicians and licensed assistants there that can give you your prescriptions after a phone call. When you walk through what you need, Ivermectin, antibiotics, your everyday medications. Allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon put in Bannon 10 get 10% over the holidays. This is the first step you can take and getting your own medical freedom. Remember, they can't do anything without your consent. Do it today. AllFamilyPharmacy.com promo code Bannon put in Bannon 10 and get 10% poso. Your thoughts on the security guarantees? Brother, you know that part of the world pretty well.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, I'll tell you one thing. If there's anything I know about that area at the Donbass. This has been the clash of empires since time immemorial. From the time of the the Scythian empires, the Pontic step, thousands upon thousands of years, empires, warfare. It all goes back to this area. World War I, World War II, they tried to do it this Stalingrad is in this region. Okay. This is some of the greatest wars, the most deadly and brutal wars in all of human history have been fought in this area. So the idea that we are just going to be the ones to come up and bring up peace. Look, I understand where the President's coming from and I totally support it. But just understand the areas that you're dealing with and understand the temerity and the as you would say, Steve cussedness of the people who live there.

[Steve Bannon]

Cussed. So hang on for a second. Dan Caldwell joins us. Dan, I'll get your thoughts later on. Do you think this is optics right? Dan? You don't think the Russians are agree to this or the Trump administration doing something smart and putting out there, hey, if you need guarantees. We'll give them guarantees, but there'll never be a deal, and so we'll look like the good guys.

[Dan Caldwell]

I can never see the Russians agreeing to something that is, in effect, de facto NATO membership. They have a vote here, and the President has pointed this out, and I think that they will continue to fight if that is a big part of the deal. Now, there's a million different ways to do security guarantees that doesn't involve necessarily committing US Or NATO troops. They may accept something that is along the lines of we'll agree to provide the Ukrainians defensive weapon systems or certain types of support or things like that. But again, I think the Russians have made clear this is their primary issue. It's the issue of Ukrainian alignment. It's more important than territory to them. It's whether or not Ukraine is going to be part of an alliance that they view as a security threat. So I can never see them agreeing to something that would effect make Ukraine a de facto member of Naito, as Ben Harwell points out, actually could be a more powerful security guarantee than Naito, if some of the reporting is correct.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, so I got to get this out for the audience to start thinking. We'll get the articles out. Pete Heggs and some others are talking about a pretty radical change to the structure of the military command system at the War Department and out to the actual troops in the field. And I'll be blunt. I think we're in the beginning stages of this kinetic part of the Third World War. Changes that were made at the Pentagon, I think, in World War II were done beforehand. But walk me through exactly what Pete and other people are talking about about combatant commanders.

[Dan Caldwell]

Sure. So yesterday the Washington Post had a story, and I think war room audience members will know and see that this was a strategic leak by people likely opposed to these reforms. So that's important to keep in mind. No decision has been made, and this is likely being pushed out by people who don't want to see them. So essentially what is being proposed is a consolidation of these combatant commands which exist around the world. You have six geographic commands that were set up in the 1980s as part of Goldwater Nichols in response to some of the military failures in Lebanon, Grenada, some of the command and control issues. And it was a reform that made sense at the time and actually worked very well in operations like Desert Storm and the opening days of post 9, 11 wars. But since then, these combatant commands, like Central Command in the Middle east and European Command in Europe, have become incredibly powerful. My friend Justin Logan wrote a piece in National Interest where essentially he compares them to Roman pro consuls. They in effect, run their own semi independent foreign policy, and they are incentivized and positioned to prioritize their own commands and to ensure that they get more resources and that they have their own lobbies and own special interests here back in DC. But I've heard you and Jack, for example, describe Washington D.C. as a central command company town. And I think that perfectly sums up the process. So what the Secretary of War supposedly is considering is consolidating these commands from 6 to 3, which will reduce bloat and in my mind, reduce the power of some of these combatant commanders, which is incredibly important to ensuring civilian control of the military.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on. This is about Kurilla, right? Korilla. Jack Posoba, jump in here. This is about Kurilla. Kurilla was running his own foreign policy. He didn't care what the President had to say. He's a pro counsel. It's like you're sending. You're sending a pro consul down to take over Judea Samaria during Pontius Pilate's time, right? You're sending a proconsul down there. And Kurilla was that. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want. He didn't care what Pete had to say. He didn't care what the President. He had his plan of basically initiating the war with the Persians. Correct, Jack Posobec.

[Jack Posobiec]

I mean, and yeah, and that's exactly who the proconsul of the Roman Empire would be fighting against. At the same time, this was a case where. And I've had it. Look, I'll just say that I had it from source after source after source that this was COCOM driven. It was not driven by dc. It was not driven by command intent. It was driven by the cocom. In the case of Korilla. And I had source after source after source, high level officials telling me that.

[Steve Bannon]

So is that what this is about, Dan Caldwell? This actually a. A program they want to do, or is this because they don't want another guerrilla on the scene that's more powerful than the Secretary of War and quite frankly, more powerful than the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

[Dan Caldwell]

Out the system and the incentives it creates? It wasn't just guerrilla. General Cavoli, in my mind, was worse. We were talking about what was going on in Ukraine. In my view, he was running his own foreign policy the first few months vis a vis Ukraine and eucom. And so I think. I think it's the incentives the system creates and it's also the bloat too. It's these staffs at these combatant commands have grown by over 50% since 911 and that matters. Some of these combatant commands, in terms of their size, they're actually bigger than the office of Secretary of Defense. So if you're Secretary Hegseth with your front office and your team, you can't manage these people effectively. You're fighting against them them and that just doesn't work in the long term.

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