THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, DECEMBER 31ST, 2025 (EP.#5035)

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Real America’s Voice – The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon

December 31st, 2025 | Episode #5035
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Episode Overview

This year-end episode of The War Room dives into the themes of the West’s spiritual, cultural, and political crisis, with a particular focus on the transformation of Europe, America’s looming crossroads, and the impact of artificial intelligence on society. Host Steve Bannon is joined by recurring contributors Ben Harnwell (from Rome), Dave Brat, and Joe Allen for a roundtable discussion. The conversation explores the “Islamification” of Europe, spiritual decline, the pivotal role of American resistance, and the existential challenges posed by rapid advancements in AI.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Betrayal of Western Societies by Political Elites

(03:12–08:13)

• Host Steve Bannon opens by setting the context of 2025 as a year of enormous geopolitical and spiritual struggle.

• Ben Harnwell articulates a central thesis: Western political elites, both in Europe and the US, have “betrayed” their own civilizations by embracing secularism, multiculturalism, and policies at odds with their Christian heritage.

• The difference between Christianity (focused on “interior conversion” and the humbling of one’s will to God) and Islam (structured around “exterior conformance” with behavioral requirements) forms a backbone to Harnwell’s argument about why Western elites prefer secularism or other religious systems over Christianity.

  “Christianity is a religion predicated on interior conversion, whereas Islam is predicated on exterior conformance... Christianity is far more difficult... because it requires bending your will to that of God.”
  — Ben Harnwell [05:06]

• Harnwell claims the spiritual “pride” of elites drives an aversion to Christianity, resulting in policies that invite social and religious transformation—even domination—by Islam.

  “Let’s not forget that the left hates Jesus Christ and his religion and his faith and his revelation. They hate the sanctity of Christianity and they will embrace anything that is antithetical towards that.”
  — Ben Harnwell [06:11]

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2. Is Europe “Too Far Gone”? The Concept of ‘Pre-Islamic’ Europe

(08:13–14:12)

• Bannon asks if Europe is beyond saving, citing France, the UK, and the demographic shifts in Brussels where “88% of the kids in school are foreigners.”

• Harnwell asserts Europe is not merely “post-Christian” but “pre-Islamic,” arguing that societal transformation is now inevitable. He claims Western elites have actively engineered cultural and demographic change to this point.

  “It’s not that the elite have thrown in the towel. They designed this, they propagated, they pushed it… The only difference is now... nobody cares anymore if you are out to fight for your civilization.”
  — Ben Harnwell [09:38]

• The concept of the “two-state solution” is floated as a future necessity for European Christians—anticipating enclaves amid a Muslim-majority continent.

• Bannon presses for clarity: Harnwell draws the analogy to the fall of Constantinople and says that “pre-Islamic” describes Europe’s trajectory towards eventual dominance by Islam—a fate “brought on ourselves.”

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3. Lessons for America: The Window for Resistance

(14:12–23:37)

• Bannon pivots to the US, emphasizing the importance of understanding Bretton Woods and the dollar’s reserve currency status as reflected in financial power and national security.

• Key lesson: America, unlike Europe, still has a sliver of time to choose a different path—but that window is closing.

  “America can still just about rescue itself from the disaster that the Uni Party has created for it. We can’t in Europe. It’s too far gone. It’s been too far gone for many decades.”
  — Ben Harnwell [12:50]

• The panel repeatedly underscores the dangers of complacency and the need for the American audience—the War Room “posse”—to be vigilant and proactive.

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4. France, Brigitte Bardot, and the Futility of Rearguard Actions

(23:37–31:01)

• Harnwell discusses a Guardian article on France’s public broadcaster and the fear of “Trumpism.” He argues that populist movements in France are likely “too little, too late.”

• The story of Brigitte Bardot is cited as a Cassandra-like warning—she was prosecuted five times for speaking out against Islamification and the changing cultural landscape of France:

  “Let’s remember from Greek mythology that Cassandra was cursed by the gods to prophesy the truth, but not to be believed. And that is definitely the case with Brigitte Bardot…”
  — Ben Harnwell [28:59]

• The panel highlights her opposition to ritual animal slaughter as emblematic of the deeper cultural and ethical divides in contemporary France.

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5. The Nature of Hope and Social Contracts

(31:01–32:53)

• Dave Brat injects cautious optimism, suggesting that as Islamic influence challenges the privileges of Western elites, a backlash may occur:

  “The elites have not been forced to submit yet. Once they are forced to submit, you’re going to see a change there...”
  — Dave Brat [31:12]

• Brat argues that Islam in contemporary Europe is not “constructive” but “tearing down and deconstructing and taking over,” and that a social contract crisis will eventually provoke a reaction from the native populations.

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6. Artificial Intelligence and the End of Humanity as We Know It

(36:35–47:43)

• The final segment pivots to the societal upheavals caused by AI.

• Bannon invokes deeply personal stories of parental loss to online challenges and drug overdoses, illustrating technology’s dark social impact.

• Joe Allen contributes a wide-ranging analysis of how 2025 is the last year anyone can deny AI’s civilizational importance. He points to a survey showing 20% of teenagers reportedly having romantic interactions with ChatGPT—likening the coming era to the rise of “algorithms as immigrants”:

  “2025 will be remembered as the last year anyone could deny that artificial intelligence is among the most important, important forces in civilization.”
  — Joe Allen [39:01]

• Allen warns against the “agentic effect” of AI, urging listeners to see AI as both an attack on human agency and a spiritual crisis:

  “This is basically an advertisement for the end of humanity as we know it… You have let the machine interpret a document… write all of your emails. In many cases, you’ve let the machine analyze important business matters… This thing is going to live in their minds and be the primary mechanism by which they analyze their own lives…”
  — Joe Allen [42:47]

• Bannon frames the AI challenge in starkly religious terms: “on this side… Homo sapiens made in the image and likeness of God, and on the other… the machine.”

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7. The Spiritual Battlefield: Taking Sides

(47:43–59:49)

• The panel recapitulates that both the “Islamification” of Europe and the encroachment of AI are manifestations of a deeper spiritual war.

• Brat asserts all Western systems—political, ethical, rational—find origin in Christianity and should be defended, not abandoned.

• Harnwell’s parting message: Even those not interested in the spiritual war are also participants by default:

  “You might not be interested in this spiritual battle… but this spiritual battle is interested in you. Not taking a side is taking a side because this is very real.”
  — Ben Harnwell [57:15]

• Joe Allen closes with an evocative summary of 2025 as a “year of invasion,” not just by people and ideologies but also by algorithmic agents (AI), forecasting 2026 as the period when lines will finally be drawn in defense.

  "We are being invaded... by sort of alien secular ideology... On top of this is a technological invasion... 'algorithmic immigrants'... If 2025 can be remembered as an age or a year of invasion, 2026 will be seen as the period in which we are putting up the barriers.”
  — Joe Allen [58:21]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “A Christian society is worth saving.” — Steve Bannon [12:50]
• “It’s more accurate to say it’s pre-Islamic… We will be seeking our own two-state solutions…” — Ben Harnwell [09:38]
• “Your digital self will be as important as your actual self. The digital self is the most important self. It’s a deeply religious idea. It replaces the soul with a digital twin.” — Joe Allen [47:43]
• “Wait till you’re in a foxhole and things get really rough… you got it in you.” — Dave Brat [55:40]
• “You might not be interested in this spiritual battle... but not taking a side is taking a side.” — Ben Harnwell [57:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Topic | Timestamp | |-------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Betrayal by Elites & Christianity vs. Islam | 03:12–08:13 | | Is Europe “Too Far Gone” & Pre-Islamic Thesis | 08:13–14:12 | | Lessons for America & Bretton Woods/US finance | 14:12–23:37 | | France, Trumpism, and the Bardot Cassandra Parallel | 23:37–31:01 | | Hope, Social Contract, & Elites Reacting | 31:01–32:53 | | AI and Civilization’s Crossroads | 36:35–47:43 | | The Spiritual Battle and Final Messages | 47:43–59:49 |

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Conclusion

This episode marks a reflective and urgent close to 2025 in The War Room. Bannon and his guests converge on the message that the West faces a historic reckoning—spiritually, culturally, and technologically. The threats range from declining Christian identity and demographic transformation in Europe to America’s “last chance” for a different outcome and an unprecedented onslaught of AI. No listener can sit on the sidelines. The War Room urges active engagement, faith, and resistance headed into 2026.

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Transcript

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[Steve Bannon]

Welcome back. It's Wednesday, the 31st of December, in the year of our Lord 2025. We're continuing on with this discussion. Ben Harnwell, the floor is yours. And we're bringing Bright end. Also, Joe Allen's going to join us in talking about the year behind us. One thing to take and we'll get into more of this tomorrow, although I think tomorrow we're going to have hopefully a more general conversation. Everybody getting motivated and jacked up for just being the first of the year. Maybe not so content specific as we're doing today, but the lessons learned from this year, we're ending with an enormous fight that's actually going to propel us through the next couple of years. So, Ben, continue on with your observation, sir. Okay.

[Ben Harnwell]

Because your question at the beginning was why effectively have let's use the word for betrayal. Why have we been betrayed in occupied Europe and to the in the United States as well by our political class? What is the supernatural, the religious, the spiritual reason for that? Well, look, perhaps we'll handle the issue a little more tomorrow, but let me say this, right, that the principle, as I see it, difference between Christianity and Islam, seeing as you know, the new pope is going to put his hand on the Quran to make his oath. Let's listen, dig into this and say what's the difference? The difference is that Christianity is predicated.

[Steve Bannon]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Not the new, but not the new pope. Hang on, hang on, hang on. Not the new pope, the new mayor of New York. Not the new pope.

[Ben Harnwell]

Did I say Pope? I'm sorry.

[Steve Bannon]

You did most certainly. I know the left's going to be all over this. We accuse few rows of a lot. We're not there. We're not there yet.

[Ben Harnwell]

Only a question of time, Steve. So look, so on the background of this, the difference is that Christianity is a religion predicated on interior conversion, whereas Islam is predicated on exterior conformance, conforming oneself to the external requirements on behavior. And that's interesting, right? Because I would suggest for that reason that Christianity is far more difficult religion to follow because it requires bending your will to that of God. So when you say, why is it that we have been betrayed? Let's look at the Times article which you quoted Laura Loomis having a gushing approach to Mandani as insistence to put his hand on the Quran. They would never, the New York Times would never write in this way if Dave Bratt had said when he, when he was sworn in as a congressman, his motivation for putting his hand on the Bible. Right. The. These other people, the secular left, are the people that drove out, I think it was in the 1980s via the Supreme Court, they drove out Christian prayer in schools because they said it was against the Constitution. Right. Let's not forget that the left hates Jesus Christ and his. And his. And his religion and his faith and his revelation. They hate the sanctity of Christianity and they will embrace anything that is antithetical towards that. So why have we been betrayed by our elites? Steve? It comes down to the queen of all the sins. It's pride that, remembering what I said about the difference between Christianity and Islam, proud people, because they are proud, do not like the idea of having to bend themselves to God in an interior disposition way, which is not necessary if you are Muslim. All you've got to do is do the exterior observance effectively. And that, I think, is why we've been betrayed. It's a spiritual issue and it comes from the fact, driven by the devil, if I'm allowed to say that, on the war room, encouraging the proud minds that do not want to bend themselves down and incline themselves down to the Prince of Peace. And that is the consequence. That's why we've been betrayed. And everything else that we see on the political sphere is simply a rationalization of that refusal to submit to God via Jesus Christ. But they will submit, and they certainly will submit. They will end up submitting to a very different religion of that of Islam, which of course is submission in and of itself. That's what Islam means.

[Steve Bannon]

Before I go to Brett, is Europe too far gone? I keep saying France has fallen. You have the collapse of the Fifth Republic. You've got the United Kingdom. You see the disaster that is, you've got the low Countries, Brussels, big riot overnight for some African soccer cup. The Moroccans all living in Brussels. Just one of the groups they've got up there taking over the center of the city. I think, is it 88% of. I think it's in. I think it's in Brussels. 88% of the kids in School are foreigners are not people from Belgium is urbc Germany the disaster Germany's turned into outside of Hungary and Poland as some of the Eastern European countries even with alternative for Deutschland and Vox in Spain and the reform movement in the party in the United Kingdom with Tommy Robinson and his group which is vying for political power. Is Europe too far gone? Have the elites just thrown in the towel and they're asking for us to put now combat troops into Ukraine to protect them from the, I might say the Russians who are Orthodox Christian. Hello. And who don't tolerate. You've seen in Chechnya. They don't tolerate. They would never tolerate what's going on in the cities of Paris and Berlin and London and Brussels.

[Ben Harnwell]

Sir Steve, I posted on this on Getter. That's my daily post today. Is precisely this issue with regards to France. Yes, is the answer. Europe is too far gone. But I have to push back on something in your question. It's not that the elite have thrown in the Howell. They designed this, they propagated, they pushed it. They did it first via subversion and it's now in your face because of it. It's inevitable. And they use all the pejoratives against people that don't want to participate in this, that don't want to see this. You know, they say you're racist, you're fascist, you're anti Semitic, you're white nationalist. And we know, we all know what the pejoratives are. The only difference is now, and this is one of the great blessings that the Trump phenomenon has bestowed on the rest of the world is that nobody cares anymore if you are out to fight for your civilization and your culture with a great difference to 10 years ago, they can throw these pejoratives at you, but no one will care. Say what you want. I'm going to go ahead and protect my country because I love my country. That is the essence of patriotism now that's developing in Europe. Look, before I hand back to you, let me answer your question on this about being too far gone. Yes, it is too far gone. But I will caution people right out in these, in the Israel context to be to hesitate before dismissing too quickly the two state solution because that's what we're going to want in mainland Europe. In occupied Europe, we will eventually be forced into seeking our own two state solution. Whereas where because Muslims will take the majority, as we said on the Christmas Eve show. Steve, it's not true to say that Europe is post Christian anymore. It's more accurate to Say it's pre Islamic, so too far gone. We will be seeking our own two state solutions in the various EU member states where Christians. The best that we can hope for will be small territorial enclaves that might last for a few decades, a few centuries before even those will be denied to us as the numbers shrink. That's the future here in occupied Europe. And you know, if we can, because of our folly and our complacency, perform one last service to civilized world before we finally bubble under, it would be this. We can show America the path of where militant secularism leads, what's really driving it and say just before we disappear from existence to America, do not follow this path. Do everything that you can to resist following this path. America. I said this on the show before, Steve. America can still just about rescue itself from. From the disaster that the Uni Party has created for it. We can't in Europe. It's too far gone. It's been too far gone for many decades.

[Steve Bannon]

What? Last thing before I go back to Brett. Post Christian and pre Islamic. You're saying post Christian. Let's not use that term anymore. Europe has been post Christian and it wasn't worth saving in the first place. A Christian society is worth saving. What do you mean technically, what do you mean by pre Islamic?

[Ben Harnwell]

It's basically like Constantinople. You know, folks will remember that the Christianity was basically divided into two. The Roman half and then the Eastern half, the Byzantine half ruled from Constantinople. And that lasted for a thousand years after the collapse of the Roman Empire. And then even that too subsumed, surrendered, not surrender, did fight. But eventually it was, it was not possible to save it from. I think it was the Ottoman Empire obviously that eventually destroyed that last remnant. And we are in the rest of continental Europe in exactly the same situation as Constantinople. That was a city now known as Istanbul. And that's the same fate. And we have brought it on ourselves.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Ben Harnwell]

Should old acquaintance be forgot and let.

[Joe Allen]

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[Ben Harnwell]

Of Old Lang Symphony.

[Steve Bannon]

Great. Come back. Robert Shaw Amazing, amazing music. Nothing like the male voice in in Concert like that. Ben Harder before I want to get Brad in here, but I do the piece up on Getter and if we can Mo and Grace, if we can push that out and I know you have a huge fan base over there. It's about a Guardian piece about France and Macron in the era of Trumpism, which has got them all upset all the time. I gave an interview to kind of one of the right wings newspapers last week and people's heads were blowing up as I talked about, you know, the drive of the Trump movement and hopefully how it's not hopefully, but how it's inspiring other right wing movements throughout the world. What did this article say? Why did you feel that it had to go up today on New Year's Eve? New Year's Eve, the last day of 2025, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Because it's programmatic to use that word again, what is happening in France? This particular story, it's programmatic of what is taking it defines both 2025, if not also the previous decade before today. And it was going to define 2026, if not the forthcoming decades after tomorrow. The headline speaks for itself. France fears era of Trumpism as public Broadcaster comes under Fire from the right. We'll get the link out. As I say, it's the subject of my daily post today on Getter. My analysis, however, wasn't so much for the fact that here's the Guardian recognizing that the quoting a French leftist journalist who feared that this there was now this era of Trumpism in France. Because, you know, if I, if I wanted to say, oh, look, this shows, you know, the populist nationalist, economic nationalist movement growing in France. And isn't this great? And yes, it is great, but my actual analysis on this is it's too little, too late. You can't allow what has happened to France to take place over many decades and then think a French Trump, even if one were to emerge. And I'm not sure that that's the case in France, but we'll be able to turn back the tide because it's just too far gone that the country culturally, whatever metric you want to lose to Fargo, this is the importance of New York. This is the importance of the mayor taking his oath of office on the Quran. Islam is still a minority phenomenon in the United States right now, even though the mass invasion that's taking place has chipped away that it's still clearly a minority. And I can repeat what I said before the break. What we can do in Europe, the service that we can perform in occupied Europe, is to say to America not to follow the path that we're going on. That is why, Steve, you know, we do criticize occasionally President Trump, Right. But the reason why he is a providential figure for the salvation of America and the American republic is because he's the only president person in elected office who would have the courage to talk about denaturalization and deportation. And that is how America, you are going to save yourselves. There's no other route. It's denaturalization and deportation.

[Steve Bannon]

That's right. The open with the very open this morning went back to the speech, I think at the National Conservative. They tell me now it was in September, early September, right after Labor Day, where I hawked back to that speech I made in Pinehurst, North Carolina, a couple of years ago. I think it was in November 23rd, where I said this day is coming when you have the convergence of these social welfare programs with the fact that you're going to have to Denaturalize and deport these people, and you're going to have a firestorm in this country. That's what's before us. And if we don't win this fight, country's over. The country's over, like Europe's over today. And people saying we can't do a rear guard action. I might want to mention, too, and I haven't had enough time to develop this, and maybe we do it when we get back on Friday and Saturday or early next week. Brigitte Bardot. Brigitte Bardot, people, you know, one of the most beautiful women in the world and from the 1950s and 60s. And of course, they say an animal rights activist. People are glossing over her fight. She was taken to court how many times, Ben? I think it was five times she was dragged into court in the 1990s, and she's one of the first. She's the first celebrity, I think, on a global basis. But this woman who's incredibly smart, she threw down hard, and she threw down hard on two things. Number one, Islam, and number two, the LGBTQ of the culture. And she was kind of like Anita Bryant was back in the 60s and 70s. And she's what I refer to as a tough broad. Right. She wasn't backing down at all. I think they took her to court, was it five times, and they tried to bankrupt her. I think actually they did kind of bankrupt her, and she would not back off. She says, you're not going to take away my rights to say this. You're not going to take. And she's like, Cassandra, you go back and look what Brigitte Bardot said in the 1990s about Islam. And you look at Paris, France today, and she was Cassandra. She told you exactly what was going to happen. And they called her, you know, some. Some young musician put up an iconic photo of her on her social media the last couple days, and that young singer, songwriter was eviscerated by her, by her base, her fan base today, saying, how could you say this? And you. And you're idolizing a racist and a xenophobe and one of the worst people in the world. But Brigitte Bardot for five times. I remember in the 90s, they absolutely tried to kill her, sir.

[Ben Harnwell]

Yeah. And they find her repeatedly. Look, your analogy to Cassandra is perfect. Let's remember from Greek mythology that Cassandra was cursed by the gods to prophesy the truth, but not to be believed. And that is definitely the case with Bridget Bardot. I think she retired from acting at the age of 39. Right. Devoting the rest of her life to animal welfare. And that was one of the motivations, not the only one, but one of the motivations in her. Her almost singular position talking against the Islamification of France.

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[Ben Harnwell]

And this is an issue which we will certainly return to on the war room. And this is the issue to do with the ritualistic slaughter of animals which is required obviously in Islam. And she was absolutely against the garroting of animals whilst they're still alive. You're not allowed, when you're preparing halal food, you're not allowed to stun the animals beforehand either. And that was obviously one of. Behind her part of that motivation. That is an issue that we need to come back to, the ritual slaughter of animals. And that's a big issue, I think, around which MAGA should have something intelligent to say. Because I think it would unite a lot of people who concerned about the welfare of animals, such as myself, with a concern if it wasn't being done in the name of Islam, if you're doing that in the name of Christianity, you would see the state move to prohibit it. Islam obviously gets a free pass. That is something I'd like to return to and I think the war room can be a platform for that. And I think that will be a legacy of what Brigitte Bardot was doing as well for 50 or so years of her French acting life.

[Steve Bannon]

Dave, Dave, we got a couple of minutes here before we go to break. You've got some. The Calvinist Presbyterian and you see some upside here. What do you got?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, it's upside for all the wrong reasons. I agree with Harnwell, but I think there is hope in Europe. You know, Calvin and Hobbs, Thomas Hobbs, the social contract, the Leviathan. The only reason people unite for a social contract. The original position was, sir, for survival and bringing up, you know, Brigitte Bardot, etc. And the elites in Europe, the. The Islamic witness to complete what. What's the word I'm searching for? Submission. The elites have not been forced to submit yet. Once they are forced to submit, you're going to see a change there. And I just want to say two more quick things. Islam. Who speaks for Islam in Minnesota right now? What is the Islamic logic? Who speaks for the Somalis? They don't have a speaker who speaks for their theology, who speaks for their systems of thought. We all want to know that. And then secondly, it's interesting to note, like in Minnesota is a perfect example. Islam is not a construction system. It's not building things. It's tearing down and deconstructing and taking over. And that's why in London and Paris, etc. It's not sustainable. Long run, there is no way that is sustainable. And I think that's there will be a reaction. As Plato taught, you know, in 400 BC, what follows weakness and democracy. The strongman don't want that. Don't want that to happen. But that's what's naturally going to follow. When the social contract breaks down and the elites are far forced into submission, things will change. And all of a sudden the wealthy folks are going to get a hint.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, hang on for a second. Magnificent. Great conversation. We're going to pivot a little bit. We're going to get back to artificial intelligence. Shocking opinion piece today in Fox and discussion. I think it's one in five youth Allen will fix me up. One in five, you have already had a sexual relationship with ChatGPT short break. Back in a moment.

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[Steve Bannon]

My daughter is Becca and Becca first met some older boys. She and her friends met older boys online and the boys invited them to get together. They got together. My daughter was drugged and raped and then she was the victim of revenge.

[Ben Harnwell]

Porn and these traumas led her to.

[Steve Bannon]

Start self medicating and she could go online anytime, 24 hours a day, no matter where she was and she could find drugs and eventually she picked up something with fentanyl and she died. She was 18 years old.

[Joe Allen]

Very sorry.

[Ben Harnwell]

Mason Bogard was our youngest of three. Mason was our healthy, well balanced, well rounded kid. He loved the outdoors and he would.

[Steve Bannon]

Watch YouTube videos to learn how to.

[Ben Harnwell]

Make better fishing lures and master his woodworking skills. And eventually the YouTube algorithm fed him.

[Steve Bannon]

Unsolicited the Choking challenge or the Blackout challenge.

[Ben Harnwell]

And Mason recorded himself trying it and it was obvious in the video that.

[Steve Bannon]

He was doing it for the laughs and the likes to get people to laugh and that thinking it was safe and fun. And we lost him to that.

[Ben Harnwell]

He was 15.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, right here, I want to bring in Joe Allen. Joe, that was a very moving, incredible. You went down. Of all those parents, I think there was 13 of them that had come to testify. And then we had that. We had that event of young people that lost their lives on the Internet, really, with artificial intelligence. Explain to us where are we as we. Let's look back over the year of where we've come, and then I want to use it as a springboard of where we're going to go. Fox today had a someone on. And Fox has been spending some time with us today, but there's a opinion piece, I think we're going to push it out that says, and I may have the numbers kind of wrong, but directionally right. I think one out of five teenagers have already had a sexual relationship with ChatGPT or something. And 80% of the respondents to this opinion poll said that they would be open to a romantic relationship with artificial intelligence. I mean, brother, where in the hell are we on this thing, sir?

[Joe Allen]

You know, Steve, I think 2025 will be remembered as the year that the last year anyone could deny that artificial intelligence is among the most important, important forces in civilization. People have long said that it's nothing but hype. That's those days are all done. Anyone who's saying it's just a bubble or even just a tool, I think those people will be seen as tools themselves. You know, I've oftentimes said, Steve, that I tried to warn the world that I have a Cassandra complex, but nobody would believe me. And I think that 2026 will prove that. Right now, the stats that you're talking about, this has been going on for some time, but it's now crystallizing. You now have Fox News. You have, you know, pbs, you have cnn. This is now a normal part of conversation. It's no longer a sideshow, it's no longer a freak show. Yeah, one in five kids in the survey said that they had had romantic conversations with AI Most of them probably casual, many of them not. But this is just the beginning. The same goes for adults. Roughly one in five adults have had romantic conversations with AI And I've actually spoken to a few of these adults. Some of them take it seriously. Most of them are kind of joking around. But again, this is just the beginning. And I think for 2026, what I'm going to be looking at the most is going to be the people who do not want that future. Right now, it's a minority of people who are enamored by this technology, who believe it's essential to their lives or their businesses or their education. I want to see it continue to be a minority because if you hit a tipping point in which even a third of all Americans are completely cyborg doubt, that's not going to be the same civilization that we had even in the year 2000, the last great year.

[Steve Bannon]

2025, and looking back over it. And one of the things that concerns me most, and we'll get into the politics of it and the organization activism in the days ahead, as the audience knows, you've galvanized people and working with other people, just done so many great things. This audience has stopped really what would have been total anarchy and chaos. And that is one of the great blessings that you should thank God for tonight as the new year ends. But I noticed that there is a relentless push on the commercialization of this, for this what I call agentic effect, that AI, that you cannot live a whole life, you cannot live a full life unless you have artificial intelligence as an agent in your life. Talk to me about that, because I think that's one of the. As I look down the battlefield, I see this thing of trying to get, particularly in the business community to start there, particularly for young people. Now, young people are going to bear the brunt of the lack of jobs. But as you try to put yourself forward in a profession and to learn whatever that craft is, whether it's investment banking and finance, or whether it's real estate or whether it's manufacturing or marketing, everything, this whole push that you're going to need an agent because the way you get into a romantic relationship or start having discussions is that somehow you have to have some sort of relationship with this artificial intelligence. And they're pushing this commercial application in an educational application. Talk to me about the agentic effect.

[Joe Allen]

Yes, Steve, this is basically an advertisement for the end of humanity as we know it. The way they talk about it is, as you say, your life will not be complete. You will never compete in business, you'll never compete in academia if you do not use AI. I think the way that should be interpreted, I think that when people here use AI, they should by and large, think of it as offload your thinking to AI. When you see right now the applications across business in academia, it's by and large so that you can increase productivity. That means that you've automated your thinking. You have let the machine interpret a document. You've let the machine create your PowerPoint. You've let the machine write all of your emails. In many cases, you've let the machine analyze important business matters or financial problems, and the machine itself is producing the solution. The children are being prepared for this. They're being told, again, AI is how you're going to be able to compete against your peers. But we've seen from the beginning, from the release of ChatGPT, that what is by and large used for is to offload thinking to the machine. That means a number of different things, Steve. The most critical, I think, beyond the control element, is that you're going to see an entire generation that is tempted to completely offload their thinking to an algorithmic parasite. This thing is going to live in their minds and be the primary mechanism by which they analyze their own lives or their business lives, their social lives, the society itself, who to vote for, who to trust. All these things have already, by and large, been digitized. But at least in the previous cyborg era, you had human beings that were communicating with each other via digital formats, and they were, they were cyborg together. Now they're doing everything possible. And by they, I mean Google, I mean xai, I mean OpenAI, and I mean anthropic, and I mean meta AI. All of these companies are positioning themselves into the. The same place that each of us has been in our own kind of cyborgized digital network, AKA the Internet, AKA social media. It was bad enough already, in my opinion, you know, that I'm very much an extremist when it comes to the downsides of technology. But even if you thought it was nightmarish that your child's best friend is a person they've never met online, think about a future in which your child's best friend, in which your child's girlfriend or boyfriend is online, but isn't even human, this is being born as we speak. It will continue to develop. But again, I really do believe that we are at a point right now where critical decisions are being made and can be made. And if we have enough momentum behind the resistance to all this and behind the acceptance of our humanity and the embrace of our humanity that, as I oftentimes say, enough of us will make it.

[Steve Bannon]

We've had, you know, the bulk of the show, we've talked about the Islamification of Europe, this whole push to, you know, tomorrow Mondami is going to take his oath in New York City, what, 25 years? 25 years after 9, 11. And if you told people back then, 25 years, you know, a quarter of A century later, you're going to have a guy put his hand on the Quran and swearing as the mayor of New York to replace Rudy Giuliani, right. Or Michael Bloomberg or something like that. Your religious training, the underpinnings of this, because once again, at a very deep level, and this is for people that maybe are not particularly religious, you think you're totally secular, you just don't buy religion, you're not particularly spiritual. Just like in the fight on, this war against the rise of Islam in the United States and in Christendom. This fight right here is deeply spiritual because on this side of the football, you have Homo sapien, made in the image and likeness of God, and on the other side you have enhanced Homo sapien, made in the image and likeness of these oligarchs and the machine. How important was it that religious training you got? I mean, one of the powers, when we brought you over here, I said, hey, this guy's got a master's in theology from the same place Martin Luther King went. This is the guy we need. Not some technician, you know, some high tech guy, because they're not that they're not important, but they're kind of a dime a dozen. Is this a religious and spiritual war at its core?

[Joe Allen]

1,000%, Steve. And the idea of the image of God, you think about what the AIs are doing. They're absorbing all of the images of ourselves that we're putting online. Yes, photographs, yes, you know, family occasions or parties. But this system, this technological system, is drawing out our deepest fears, our deepest hopes, our desires, is drawing out our personal relationships, is drawing out our communication patterns and has for decades. What artificial intelligence does is it gives these corporations or governments, anyone who has sufficient amounts of compute and data can take all of that. Otherwise, by and large, senseless data make sense of it. And most importantly, it can replicate you. Now, it may not be of quality of the same quality as you, but it won't matter if that's what is accepted. They can take all of your data, they can replicate your image, they can replicate your voice, they can replicate the types of things you would normally say. They can replicate your mind. It's a half formed wraith. But as you say, Steve, the bill, the way they're pitching this is, is that your digital self will be as important as your actual self. And when you get out into the really religious, religious elements of this, the transhumanists who believe that we will upload our souls in that sort of way of thinking, the digital self is the self is the most important self. It's a deeply religious idea. It replaces the soul with a digital twin.

[Steve Bannon]

Hanger. A second Joe Dave, Brett, Ben Harwell we're going to go into the last, Last block of 2025. Think back to the very beginning of those days before the inauguration of President Trump. Hell of a year. I think the one before us. We'll talk about that tomorrow. Actually going to be more historic than what we've already been through. Remember, setting things right was because of this audience, the power of the war. Impossible working class and middle class people that are informed and armed in the information war that we fight. Short commercial break Back with the team in a moment.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, first thing I want to do is I'm getting some encouraging texts. People love this conversation. If you love any of these conversations, share this platform of the War Room with all your friends here and shoot it out to your entire list. If you want to change the world, change the world. We're showing the connections between the Christian system and its competitors. And for the folks who don't think they're religious or spiritual out there, I guarantee you are right. Wait till you're in a foxhole and things get really rough. You got it in you. I just want to encourage everyone. Everyone. Wish everyone a happy New Year. Please reach out to me. I'm going to be in Los Angeles January 9th. Get me, email me OBR, Office of Business Relations. So just obriberty edu and get your young one studying. Liberty University is a great place to come visit. I'll open for Q and A. But Steve just mentioned I'm going to close with just a laundry list. Steve just mentioned the lists, the systems we have. We have the Bretton woods global order. That's a system. We have the technology system. Joe just went over our economic system, political system, rational system, ethical system, rights system. Those all came to you via Christianity. The Mayor Mamdani says I. I share these. Not sure, not sure. Let's test them. Start writing letters in in your papers and op eds. Thank. Thank you everyone. God bless. Happy New Year.

[Steve Bannon]

Happy New Year. Ben Harwell, two minutes. What do you got for us? From the Eternal City, Rome.

[Ben Harnwell]

So, okay, this is my New Year's message following on from what you were saying before then, what Dave was saying just now about people who might not think of themselves as being religious. Here's my message to you. You might not be interested in this spiritual battle which you're talking about, like of which Islam and AI are huge factors. But this spiritual battle is interested in you and not taking aside. If you think I'm not interested, I'm not going to take aside. That is taking aside because this spiritual battle is very real. And this is what we do on the War Room. This is what we watch. We bring you the information so that you can decide and use your agency. That's my message, Steve, in a nutshell, my new Year's message. I wish you all a very happy new Year and, God willing, join you tomorrow. Take care. God bless.

[Steve Bannon]

Dave, Brad and Ben Harnwell will join me tomorrow as we kick off the New Year. Joe, Allen, you'll be out and about. Give me a couple of minutes of your closing thoughts. Sir.

[Joe Allen]

Well, Steve, 2025 was a crazy year. It saw me all over the country and even over in Switzerland for a bit. I've met all sorts of amazing people, people who are filled with spirit, people who are filled with love for each other, and people whose love gives them the will to defend what they love against invasion. What we've heard today is, I think, a very astute, accurate description of a West that is being invaded. We're being invaded, have been invaded for centuries by sort of alien secular ideology that's allowed for open borders and the invasion of the actual demographic, the actual people, by peoples from all over the world whose religious systems are certainly not compatible. On top of this is a technological invasion. What we are seeing with artificial intelligence could easily be thought of as algorithmic immigrants who are invading the digital space, taking jobs, forming deep relationships with people and swaying the politics. So I think if 2025 can be remembered as an age or a year of invasion, 2026 will be seen as the period in which we are putting up the barriers. We're drawing the lines and we're defending what we have and pushing it back out to where it belongs.

[Steve Bannon]

Just last thing, quickly, Joe, as you've gone around the country, really the world, but you've gone around the country, I just want this audience to understand 2025, there is an awakening and people are down for the fight. You're not alone out there. People are down for this fight. Am I correct on that?

[Joe Allen]

Absolutely. The war room posse may be the tip of the spear, but we are absolutely not alone. There's. There's going to be some strange alliances, maybe some uncomfortable alliances, but we know who the enemy is, and we're going to continue to fight.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe Allen, happy New Year. Thank you so much, sir.

[Joe Allen]

Happy New Year, Steve.

[Steve Bannon]

See you on the other side.

[Joe Allen]

Happy New Year, Posse.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Okay, tomorrow, Ben Harwell and Dave Bratt will join me as we kick off the New Year. Want to thank everybody. What a fantastic 20, 2025. We're going to leave you now with the pipes. Charlie Kirk always followed us at noon. Always. The first blast you got out of Charlie Kirk was the bagpipes. Just incredible. Going to leave you now. Happy new year. 2025. Great 2026. Let's make sure we're ready to fire off the football. See you tomorrow back here in the war room, 10am Eastern Standard Time. See you then. Sam.

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[Steve Bannon]

This is where mindset comes in.

[Fitness Show Announcer]

Someone will be eliminated.

[Steve Bannon]

Pressure is coming down.

[Dave Brat]

Trainer Games on Prime Video January 8th watch the trailer on trainer games.com did.

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[Announcer]

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[Sponsor Representative]

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[Ben Harnwell]

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