THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 (EP.#4980)

Summary

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Real America’s Voice: THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON

Episode #4980 · December 8, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Main Guest: Mark Mitchell (Rasmussen Pollster)
Key Topics: Immigration, assimilation, welfare fraud, H1B visa abuse, youth political attitudes, conservative political dynamics.

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The War Room" with Steve Bannon delivers a heated discussion on the direction of America, focusing on immigration (legal and illegal), assimilation, welfare and visa fraud, and how current policies impact American society and younger generations. Pollster Mark Mitchell brings fresh data and perspectives, while Bannon critiques establishment politics and emphasizes the urgency for unified conservative action ahead of the midterms.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Assimilation, Immigration, and the American Identity

(Starts ~01:20)

- ICE, Rights, and the Framing of Immigration

• Debate on ICE tactics and immigrants’ rights (“ICE cannot enter...without a judicial warrant...you have the right to say I do not consent to entry..." — Mark Mitchell, 01:51).
• Strong defense of immigrant communities, rejecting assimilation-failure narratives:
  • Reference to historical prejudice against Jewish, Irish, and Italian immigrants.
  • “Yes, of course, ethnically Somali. We are in this country as Americans. We are citizens. We are productive part of this nation and we will continue to be.” (Mark Mitchell, 03:47)

- Fraud in Minnesota’s Welfare Program

• Allegations of Somali community involvement in large-scale fraud:
  • “The initial fraud...was discovered by IRS Criminal Investigations Unit...Money has gone overseas...to the Middle East and to Somalia...we are tracking what the uses of that have been.” (Mark Mitchell, 04:10 - 04:54)

- Bannon & Guests: Mass Deportations and Security

• Bannon asserts Trump was elected for a “mass deportation operation” and broad security crackdown:
  • “He was put in the Oval Office to run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. That's exactly what we're doing. That's what the American people voted for.” (Mark Mitchell, 05:49)
  • Questions about vetting failures and national security risks of current and past immigrants.

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2. Systemic Critique: Welfare, NGOs, and the “Organized Invasion”

(10:00–15:35)

• Bannon denounces NGOs and religious charities for enabling “organized invasion”:
  • “It’s the old Cloward-Piven strategy. Bankrupt the system by paying for the third world to come here...and destroy your health care and education system...” (Steve Bannon, 12:09)
• Argues welfare programs create dependency and erode the “working class” backbone.

Notable Quote

“One of the points of coming here is that you can support yourself. The Democrats...create all these USAID and NGOs, especially phony Christian ones...It’s a scam. They're making money off it.”
— Steve Bannon (12:09)

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3. Economic Concerns, State Capitalism, and Elite Power

(12:52–15:34)

• Bannon compares America’s economic model to Chinese “state capitalism.”
  • “This is really state capitalism...it’s what the CCP wants.” (Steve Bannon, 13:21)
• Warns of massive concentration of power in tech and financial elites (“prologarchs,” “tech bros”).
• Dismissive of establishment Republicans and major law firms:
  • “They're not flooding the zone...they're anti-MAGA.” (Steve Bannon, 14:01)

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4. Youth Attitudes, Populism, and Technocratic Temptations

(23:59–29:42)

• Mark Mitchell reviews polling showing under-40 conservatives’ openness to “giving control of legislative processes to an advanced AI” (55% “yes”):
  • “These people demand order and they think the system has failed them.” (Mark Mitchell, 24:16)
  • Young liberals are skeptical (“wait, no, that might not be a good idea”).
  • General frustration among young conservatives—why no dramatic systems change, no high-profile deportations (“Why haven't we denaturalized and deported Ilhan Omar yet?” — Mark Mitchell, 24:59).
  • Bannon pushes back on turning to technocratic solutions:

    "Obviously that's incorrect. And you can't give it to the tech. The oligarchs only think of themselves." (Steve Bannon, 25:27)

- "Looking for their Franco" Analogy

• “One of them said, I thought Trump was going to be our Franco…you have like an even handed dictator, essentially restore order and return the republic.” (Mark Mitchell, 28:20)
• Trump’s net approval is “down to negative 12...not a really good place to be.” (Mark Mitchell, 27:35)

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5. H1B Visas, Tech Jobs, and Foreign Labor

(30:50–41:26)

• Mark Mitchell details abuse of H1B program (“80%...are for entry or junior level jobs”).
• “It is insane. It's obviously a program to try and replace U.S. workers with basically slave labor...H1B abuse is crazy.” (Palmer Luckey, cited by Mark Mitchell, 31:51)
• Bannon calls for complete abolition; claims it’s driven by corporate greed.
  • "If H1B is, show me a billet...that an American couldn't fill because education, training...It doesn’t exist.” (Steve Bannon, 33:11)
• Mitchell describes first-hand management experience:
  • U.S.-qualified applicants overlooked for Indian H1Bs.
  • Big Tech and universities create closed pipelines favoring foreign over domestic workers.
  • “99% of it is fraud. Fraud.” (Mark Mitchell, 36:59)
  • Hiring practices are manipulated: “You can put things in the job description that...most domestic workers wouldn't lie on…and, you know, then you find the Indian resumes getting hired.” (Mark Mitchell, 41:08)

Notable Quote

“It's not acceptable to be bringing the third world in here to take our engineering jobs. The Americans are the greatest set of engineers in the world…Hell, we went to the moon.”
— Steve Bannon (42:55)

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6. Institutions, National Greatness, and a Call to Action

(41:26–45:55)

• Bannon lauds the U.S. nuclear navy (and Rickover’s leadership) as an illustration of American excellence, demanding similar standards for contemporary institutions.
• “The nuclear Navy is an institution…with traditions and customs…one of the great institutions in the world. This is what Americans are capable of.” (Steve Bannon, 42:16–42:55)
• Calls for a "hostile relationship" with oligarchs and a return to building world-class institutions.

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7. 2025 Midterms, Strategy, and Conservative Messaging

(45:55–50:56)

• Bannon and Mitchell discuss forecast for the upcoming elections:
  • No guaranteed GOP advantage; “They could do what they were elected to do.”
  • Mitchell’s advice to Trump:

    “Don’t get distracted by the shiny object...actually fix Americans’ problems, especially the younger people.” (Mark Mitchell, 47:46)

  • Focus should be on de-cronyizing capitalism, fighting regulatory capture, and laying out a multi-year vision.
  • “Let’s get back to some of that inspirational messaging. Don’t tell us a golden age is already here. We all know it’s not.” (Mark Mitchell, 48:21)
  • Bannon closes with praise for Rickover’s talent-spotting and “creating an institution inside an institution.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Cause we're going medieval on these people.”
  — Steve Bannon, 07:22

• "ICE is legally allowed to lie to you, but you have the right to remain silent."
  — Mark Mitchell, 02:07

• “What Mark Mitchell just said a second ago about the H1B, don’t take it from Mark Mitchell...Go to Jessica Vaughan at CIS...the entire thing's a scam. It's all kickbacks.”
  — Steve Bannon, 39:13

• “I thought Trump was going to be our Franco.”
  — Mark Mitchell, reporting DM from a young MAGA voter, 28:20

• “It's going to be a grind. It's not going to be for the ribbon clerks or the summer soldiers or the sunshine patriots.”
  — Steve Bannon, 14:12

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:20 – 05:16: Discussion on ICE, immigrant rights, Somali assimilation, and Minnesota welfare fraud
• 10:00 – 15:34: Critique of NGOs, mass migration, and the Cloward–Piven/NGO strategy
• 23:59 – 29:42: Polling insights on young conservatives, technocracy, and the “Franco” analogy
• 30:50 – 41:26: Deep dive on H1B visa abuse, impacts on U.S. workforce, and first-hand corporate experience
• 41:26 – 45:55: Reflections on American institutions (specifically the Navy) as models for renewal
• 45:55 – 50:56: 2025 midterms, conservative strategy, and advice for Trump campaign

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Takeaways

• Anger at Systemic Exploitation: Both illegal and legal (H1B) immigration are framed as systemic tools to undermine American workers and social services, orchestrated by a coalition of NGOs, elites, and multinational corporations.
• Nostalgia for Institutions & Greatness: Recurring theme: America’s historical greatness was built on high standards and cohesive institutions (nuclear navy cited as model).
• Younger Generation at a Crossroads: Younger conservatives are dissatisfied, tempted by drastic solutions (even AI rule or “their Franco”), disillusioned with both establishment and Trump.
• Call to Action: Bannon repeatedly urges direct action, unity, and a vision for restoring American strength—“Action, action, action.”

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For full analysis and the entire debate, listening to the episode is highly recommended given the dense, fast-moving style of both Bannon and his guests.

Transcript

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Canal street and detain our immigrant neighbors. As mayor, I'll protect the rights of every single New Yorker, and that includes the more than 3 million immigrants who call the city their home. But we can all stand up to ice. If you know your rights. If you encounter ice, these are the things that every New Yorker should know. First, ICE cannot enter into private spaces like your home, school or private area of your workplace without a judicial warrant signed by a judge that looks like this.

If ICE does not have a judicial warrant signed by a judge, you have the right to say I do not consent to entry and the right to keep your door closed. Sometimes ICE will show you paperwork that looks like this.

And tell you that they have the right to arrest you.

That is false. ICE is legally allowed to lie to you, but you have the right to remain silent. If you're being detained, you may always ask, am I free to go? Repeatedly until they answer you. You are legally allowed to film ICE as long as you do not interfere with an arrest. It is important to remain calm during any interaction with ICE or law enforcement. Do not impede their investigations, resist arrest or run one Last thing. New Yorkers have a constitutional right to protest. And when I'm mayor, we will protect that right. New York will always welcome immigrants. And I will fight each and every day to protest, protect, support and celebrate our immigrant brothers and sisters on Thanksgiving Day. He posted no magic Transformation occurs when failed states cross borders at scale. Migrants and their descendants recreate the conditions and terrors of their broken homelands. What do you make of this argument of failure to assimilate and sort of ruining America? How do you understand this? I mean, when I think about Stephen Miller and his white supremacists rhetoric, it reminds me, yes, it reminds me of the way the Nazis described Jewish people in Germany. And you know, as we know, there have been many immigrants who've tried to come to the United States who've turned back, you know, one of them being Jewish immigrants. We know the way that people were described who were coming from Ireland, Irish immigrants. We know the way in which people were described back then when they were Italian immigrants. And to me, you know, we're. Yes, of course, ethnically Somali. We are in this country as Americans. We are citizens. We are productive.

Part of this nation and we will continue to be. I'm going to ask you about this massive fraud out in Minnesota. And the state welfare program has been under federal investigation since all the way back in 2022. The president told you, though, this week to look into Somalis who, quote, ripped off that state for billions of dollars. He said they contribute.

Exactly. Are you investigating? Well, Margaret, to be clear, the initial fraud that was discovered by the irs, for which I'm the acting commissioner, is discovered by IRS Criminal Investigations Unit. This was not an endogenous thing that the state of Minnesota decided we had to go in and clean up the mess for them. And this is part of the continued cleanup. A lot of money has been transferred from the individuals who committed this fraud, including those who donated to the government. Governor donated to represent Omar and donated to AG Ellison, but they've been transferred to something called MBS's.

And those are mortgage backed security.

Sorry, transferred to what? These are money the bureau services and they are wire transfer organizations that are outside the regulated banking system. And that money has gone overseas and we are tracking that both to the Middle east and to Somalia to see what the uses of that have been.

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Mr. Homan, the president said very clearly this week that he doesn't want Somali immigrants in America. He called them garbage. Is that the real reason this operation is happening in the Somali community?

[Mark Mitchell]

No, I think President Trump's referring to Public safety threats as national security threats from Somalia and every other country.

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[Steve Bannon]

He said he was.

[Mark Mitchell]

He's been clear from day one the whole, he talked about the whole community.

Well, look, I know I'm not aware.

[Steve Bannon]

Whether President Trump was thinking when he.

[Mark Mitchell]

Said that, but I agree with President Trump. From day one, he has said we are concentrating on public safety threats and national security threats. He was put in the Oval Office to run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. That's exactly what we're doing. That's what American people voted for. So, you know, every, you know, there's.

[Steve Bannon]

Numerous countries that President Trump, you know.

[Mark Mitchell]

Is looking at everybody that came in from these countries make their embedded propert. Some of these countries don't have the proper systems in place to totally vet somebody, so we don't know who they really are. So President Trump has taken upon himself and this administration to make sure anybody that came into this country illegally that we find and those that came into a vetting process that wasn'tthat weren't properly vetted because they don't have the database and information to ensure they're properly vetted.

[Steve Bannon]

That we're going to relook at those.

[Mark Mitchell]

Cases and make sure they're properly vetted. This is certainly not what the founding fathers of the American.

Dream were thinking about when they said, you know, that when they set out to write the Constitution. I can tell you that, you know, it's terrible. You know, Representative Omar tried to downplay it, said, oh, it was very, you know, it was very tough to know how this money should be used. You know, she was gaslighting the American people. But we'll talk to her. Yeah, but you know, when you come to this country, you got to learn which side of the road to drive on. You got to learn to stop this stop signs and you gotta learn not to defraud the American people.

[Steve Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Cause we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big L MAGA media? I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Mark Mitchell]

If that answer is to save my country. This country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

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Monday, December, year of our Lord 2025, the day after the commemoration of Pearl Harbor. We have Captain Fennel now on here at the top of the next hour to go through all that. Also, update from Tina Peters, lawyer sent a detailed memo or letter to the president about making sure she can get a pardon, a federal pardon that rolls down through the Colorado system. A lot going on there. So we're packed today. Mark Mitchell is going to join us in a moment. And of course, this weekend was a good, a good example of the intensity of the fight. Every day it's only going to increase and it's going to accelerate an accelerating rate, this fight of the direction of the country. This is very basic about what type of republic we are. Of course, we got Omar lecturing the American people and the founding fathers in the creation of the nation, the revolution, the war of independence and then the creation of this nation and lecturing us on what the founding fathers meant. I think the question now is, and you've got Kristi Noem and you got Pete Hegseth and Kristi and the team in Homan who they're hammering, you know, they're leaking all these stories now that you know they're going to get rid of Kristi Noem, they're going to get rid of Pete Hegseth. These are some of the people that are taking action. And look, folks are sitting there going, well, I don't see mass deportations. They are attempting that. And there's kind of a split within DHS about do you just go after the bad hombres or do you focus on mass deportations? Bottom line is I think a couple of million, a couple of million illegal alien invaders have left. I think it's 2.2 million if the numbers of Rosemary Jenks and the CIS people are essentially correct, have self deported, have left because of enforcement activity. Now we got to get into it. And I don't know.

First off, it is fraud of what they did. It's massive. It goes from Maine, it goes to Minnesota. Scott Bessant's on it, the irs. This is what we've been advocating for a lot that if you get into these nonprofits, if you actually get into also the business community around these people, you'll find out they don't pay taxes, they cheat on their taxes, they lie on their taxes. And this is I'm advocating for down in Texas, all this situation in the Muslim Brotherhood in Texas, you Go. You get the IRS on these folks, you're gonna see a lot of these rats jump. You know they're gonna jump off the ship and get the hell out of here because they're defrauding the American people every day. The other question is, is the fight, and this is why we gotta bring it up in high relief about what the country is and what direction we're headed. Because they're not supposed to be on these welfare programs. One of the points of coming here is that you can support yourself. And the Democrats, the radical Democrats have gone on and on to create all these USAID and then all of these NGOs, particularly the phony Christian ones like the Lutherans and the Catholic charity for the worst Catholic Relief, Catholic refugees, the Catholic. That's all from the most progressive wing of the church which realize they can't keep the pews full of traditional Catholics because they've gone away from Catholic teaching. So what they got to do is import the third world. And it's a scam. They're making money off it. They got a Jewish organization. Remember Ben Berkhweim did this and Oscar, Oscar Ramirez did this time and time and time again over those years that we proved and the American people eventually accepted, said yes, you're absolutely correct about this organized invasion of the southern border. Everything they do is highly organized and it's to get people. First off, it's the old cloud piven strategy. Bankrupt the system by paying for the third world to come here and have the third world not assimilate and then have destroy your health care system, destroy your education system and it's destroyed for working class people, African Americans and Hispanic citizens and Asian Americans that have been in this country and are citizens of this country. They're the ones bearing the brunt of this. And what's the force? That's not the illegal immigration. It's also the legal immigration scams. This is all the elites for their own benefit. What are they doing? Number one, the HB1 scams and all the other visa scams are to to compete with American labor and drive down cost, increase their margins, increase their stock price. The math is pretty simple. It's not complicated. The reason they want millions of illegal aliens here, it's to help the consumer. Oh, they get higher GDP and they're. Because everything they get, they spend right away on, you know, ultra processed food and rents and all that. And so we're going to have a gdp. They don't care about the social fabric of the country. Remember when they say it's the economy, stupid. A country's more than just its economy. Yes. Underpinning.

We are based upon are supposed to be based upon entrepreneurial free market capitalism. That's not what we have right now. We have a concentration, a massive concentration of power and wealth. This is really state capitalism. It was the Chinese Communist party with coming into WTO most favored nations, everything the Bush hunter and Clintons offered them in the 90s to make sure that they were going to turn capitalism was going to turn them into liberal Democrats.

Jeffersonian yeoman. That didn't happen. The state capitalist model of the CCP is very much what the prologarchs want. Well first of all they don't want the nation state but as an interim until they get to the network system which is what they want, they will take state capitalism and that's what they feel they have. Now this goes all the way through the AI fight which we'll talk about in a little while but this system's totally rigged. And you see this is why I say the Somalians in the situation there and Scott Bessant's on it it he's gonna be like a dog with a bone. But this another one we gotta see in this. And the course the Justice Department is strapped. They don't have, you know, enough attorneys.

[Mark Mitchell]

Why?

[Steve Bannon]

Because the Republican establishment has told them if you work for President Trump you can't come to one of these big Republican law firms. How many people for the big Republican law firms, the conservative law firms are volunteering to come into the administration. How many Jones days got Joan Day, Jones Day which we had throughout the first administration. You've got a handful of guys but they're not flooding the zone. These big conservative law firms, why they're anti maga and you're seeing this across the board and this is one of the reasons what we say the show all the time about the prologarchs and the tech bros, which they want, they want, they want, they want. There's a bunch of stuff in the NDAA that we're finding out about now that was buried about giving them the opportunity to get loans and Strategic Capital Group that we will get into and get the details but they're going to be the first person, first guys off the ship. Why? Because. Because they're all progressive Democrats and the ship is going to list a little bit. We're taking a couple of shots, that's okay. Naval warfare, you know, Nelson took some, Nelson took some shots, gave it back, unsheathed the guns and gave it back 10x. That's what's going to happen here. We're going to win the midterms. It's going to be a grind. It's not going to be for the ribbon clerks or the summer soldiers or the sunshine patriots. All those guys that climbed on board after the victory in 24, all the ones are all MAGA. You ain't going to see them around just like in the revolution. You think we haven't gone through this before? We have gone through this before.

Look at Washington and the continental army and those militias that fought down to a handful of men, a couple thousand people.

Everybody departed because it was too hard. It was too tough. I'm jeopardizing my future. That's exactly what's gonna happen here. But here's why we're gonna win. We're resilient. We're anti fragile. We don't give a tinker's damn about the tech bros, the Berlagarchs. They're all paper. All of them got glass jaws. Okay, we're gonna get into today about the actions that need to be taken to clean this mess up. Starting with the visa programs and what's happening in Minnesota and Maine with our beloved Somalians. Next in the war room.

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They'Re full of piss and vinegar. How do I say? Is that okay? They're always ready to take the world on. We like that. But they're confused. What's a tinker's dam? A tinker's dam. You know, tinker itinerant menders, particularly in Ireland, maybe in Europe overall, but in Ireland. And they would curse a lot like we do in the Navy. I got a naval officer Mark Mitchell, although a submariner coming up here in a second. They curse a lot like sailors. And so not worth a tinker's dam means something of not much value. How's that? We'll leave that at that. Lesson for the day. So endeth the lesson.

Hostile takeover. Back in my old job at Goldman Sachs was defending against hostile takeovers when I was in the merger department. Hostile takeover. Paramount, Ellison, the son and the father coming in hot for Warner Brothers. And I think it's going to be great because we can have a national conversation, which is what we need on these things about antitrust and about consolidation of corporate power and particularly about the consolidation of media power. The Warner Brothers acquisition, whether by Paramount and Skydance, that massive operation and. Or the deal they're putting on the table, which is buy the streaming services.

This is the other bid to buy the streaming services and to spin off CNN and everything else, I think both of them ought to be up for intense review. And I don't think Netflix or. I think when you have a conversation about this, we want to get away. That's our huge supporter, Gail Slater. That's why over at Main justice, we're a huge supporter of the Internet Accountability Project of Rachel Bovard and Mike Davis. That's where they came out of. We're all over holding Facebook and Meta and Google and all of them accountable and get them into federal court. And let's break these things up and get back to entrepreneurial finance and entrepreneurial capitalism and free markets. And you see this massive consolidation of power and this hostile takeover is going to be. This is going to be ugly. It's going to take a while. This deal won't close for over a year. But it's a great time for us to put forward in discussion of what is a neo Brandeisian, what does it mean? What is a concentration of power? When I say that we're taking on the model of the Chinese Communist Party of state capitalism, what does that mean? We'll have time to go through it all. One of the ways that you can learn about capital markets, go to birchgold.com, promo code ban an end of the dollar empire. We kind of nailed this four years ago. We said, biden's doing all this spending. It's kind of a Keynesian infusion, a massive infusion to an economy that doesn't need it. It's going to caus, wait for it. Inflation. Were the first people to say that the inflation was going to be out of control. We had Peter Navarro here all the time during the years in the wilderness. Russ Vogt, Steve Cortez, others breaking it all down. Kind of a cold shot. You can go find out about today what it means for you, particularly when crypto is a little turbulent. Maybe even.

The stocks of Nvidia and some of these other AI companies are going to bounce around a little bit. Find out why gold's ahead. Birchgold.com, promo code Bannon ended the dollar empire. Let's take it, learn it, study it, and get to Philip Patrick and the team of Birch going ask the questions of them. Make sure you understand this. This is the key thing, understanding. Mark Mitchell Action, Action. Action is, you know, president. And this is the thing about the focus on international politics and national security. Put it at a great and not perfect but directionally very strong, I think national security memorandum, the overall memo, 33 pages, kind of the architecture. Pete Hegset's gonna come in now with the details of what the military strategy is beyond that. But he put Europe on notice. They actually said in this document that I think you have a civilizational collapse and we're not gonna be party to it. We're not gonna back your play. We're not gonna pay for everything. We're not gonna pay for your defense. If you can't defend yourself, and particularly from this migrant issue or from this Islamic invasion of Europe. But the president then pivoting and now Scott Besant looks like he's taken a more active role. Semafor's got a great piece about Scott taking more of an active role. Not just traditionally what the Secretary of Treasury does, finance, but more even on the economic side and economic policy. You're polling and you've been kind of one of the Cassandras, you and Rich Barris, because we think you, Trafalgar, Rasmussen, you, not Scott Rasmussen and Barris have been the best MAGA pollsters. And you're putting up a storm warning. And I can tell people we got a big time fight in Indiana, don't think we're gonna win this redistricting war. We intend to, but you can't count on it. So these midterms are gonna be absolutely brutal. And they will grind the Trump revolution to a halt if they take the House. Cause they're impeach President Trump in the first 30 minutes when they take it. Mark Mitchell, give me the big picture here. Now. Am I right to say I'm very positive on this younger generation, particularly men, I think the most base generation maybe since the greatest generation and, or the revolutionary generation. I think the world of these kids and I think I like the cut of their jib. They just need to be shown some guidance and a little bit of leadership and I think they're going to knock the ball of the park. Mark Mitchell, your thoughts?

[Mark Mitchell]

I don't know if they're going to listen to our guidance, Steve. I think that they have a lot of agency, I guess is probably the right way to say it. I don't know if I talked about this on your show, but one of the wild polling findings that we found this year with the under 40 conservatives, we asked a question whether or not, you know, AI is getting more advanced, the government is getting more, you know, gridlocked. Would you support giving control of legislative processes to an advanced AI? And 55% to 40% conservatives under 40 said, yeah, sure, why not? Let's just give it to a machine. And the liberals under 40 were like, wait, no, wait, no, that might not be a good idea. So these people demand order and they think the system has failed them. And I think what you're seeing is there's a lot going on and there are a lot of Trump surrogates, in my opinion, that are doing a really good job. But in my opinion, it also doesn't really feel like a unified Front. It doesn't feel like they're getting the kind of air cover that they need because the Overton window is going absolutely insane right now. I mean, you have Trump out there retrofitting things about Hart Celler, and you have this State Department document talking about, you know, migrant overthrows of Western Europe. And so I think what the kids would say is that the people in power don't understand what time it is. And every one of these influencers that I follow, they're like, what's going on? Why has nobody been arrested yet? Why haven't we denaturalized and deported Ilhan Omer yet? Why aren't we arresting all these people that are flaunting our very systems?

[Steve Bannon]

But hang on, everybody uses that phrase, what time it is. I know the people who use it are also the people that turned over to the tech bros. And I can understand maybe why young people saying, so much disorder, so much invasion in the country, maybe we give it to the machine. Obviously that's incorrect. And you can't give it to the tech. The oligarchs only think of themselves. And they're the ones that came up with this, oh, what time it is. Because what time it is for them is to turn it over to them. And if they got the young conservatives 55 or 40 and under thinking that it's incumbent upon us to then get in there and say, hey, this is why that's not correct. And to convince them, you know, use facts, use argument, you just can't turn away and say, oh, because young conservatives 55, 40 want to turn it to a machine, I must return to a machine. If that was the case, we wouldn't have fought for this thing 10 years ago. The whole establishment.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is the whole thing. No, no, this is the whole thing. Young people are great. They got energy, et cetera. It doesn't mean they got the greatest ideas. I think they look at their elders and say, what you've done.

You'Ve turned the country over to Soros, you've turned it over to radical Democrats, you've turned it over to corporatists. You don't have capitalism in this country and I'm screwed. I can't get a job, I can't form a family, I can't marry a woman because I can't get. I don't have economic prospects. And they're sitting there looking at my Equinox prospects and say, hey, no offense, you're a nice guy, but you're not gonna be able to buy a house until you're 40, which is now the entry agent. So it's incumbent upon us to tell them you're 100% correct and this is the action to correct it, Sir.

[Mark Mitchell]

No, I agree with you and I've said all that stuff on your show, but I think, and I'm not saying that they're going to lean into like Elon Musk and you know, new cryptocurrencies and all that stuff. I'm just saying that they want their Franco. And I kind of think a lot of people thought Donald Trump would be that person. And so these things that we've seen have, you know, drawn blood. Donald Trump's down to a negative 12 net approval rating, which puts him on par at about three months after Covid in the middle of the George Floyd riots. And so that's not a really good place to be. And again, maybe he can recover, But I don't think that this is the same as the first term. America is very different than it was.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, slow down, slow down, slow down. Don't bury the lead. Because Jack Posobic wrote a book that we publish at War Room called Unhumans. One of the central characters in this book is General Franco. Did I just hear you say, Mark Mitchell, that they're looking for their Franco and they didn't think, they don't think Trump has turned out to be that? What do you mean? Explain to the audience. We got a minute here and I'm holding through the break. What do you mean by that? Cuz I know Mediaite and Media Matters are gonna have a total vapor lock right now when Mark Mitchell, the pollster, particularly for young maga, is sitting there saying they're looking for their Franco. Sir.

[Mark Mitchell]

Well, you know, you poll and then sometimes you read people's responses. And I got a lot of DMs from disaffected MAGA, people who are like, what is going on? This is not what we've voted for. And one of them said, I thought Trump was going to be our Franco. Now, I can't get into Spanish history, but the idea is that you have like an even handed dictator, essentially restore order and return the republic. And we're looking around and Donald Trump, in my opinion, ran very heavily on drain the swamp, reform government, usher in a golden age. Well, that means fixing the systems that have failed us. And this gets back to where you started. The system is failing everybody. And any, any communication and any action that is not single threadedly attacking those two main problems is going to unfortunately I think tank Donald Trump's numbers because, you know, he lost his Democrat crossovers, then he lost his independents. He lost a lot of them with Epstein. But just now in the last two or three weeks, he's losing Republicans. Now he had a 53% Republican strong approval, lowest of his term, not where you'd want it to be. And all of a sudden Republican right direction gave up the 70 handle. It's in the middle mid-60s now. And so he needs to recover. And I think making people like Besson in charge of these things, like delegating these actions. But it all has to be a unified front.

[Steve Bannon]

Mark, fantastic. Hang on for one second. We'll get back into this and maybe some of the H1B visas and the Somalians, all of it. Mark Mitchell is with us for the first hour this morning in the war.

[Mark Mitchell]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Mark Mitchell]

100,000 H1B visa holders in America. Now who is coming to this country to take these high skilled jobs? As I mentioned, STEM fields dominate the occupations and most of the workers come from India. In fact. In fact, 70% of H1B visa holders come from India. Another 10 to 15% come from China. 80% of H1B visa approvals are for entry level or junior level jobs. That's a little hard to stomach when we hear that we're not talented enough or that we're not skilled enough for these jobs. When you consider that most of these jobs are actually at entry or junior level jobs. And it's definitely to the benefit of corporations, tech companies that can hire foreign workers. Trust me on this, cheaper than American workers. This is laid out, by the way, by billionaire tech Entrepreneur Palmer Lucky. There's so much H1B abuse. You would not believe what I saw.

[Steve Bannon]

When I was in Silicon Valley.

[Mark Mitchell]

It is insane. It's obviously a program to try and replace US workers with basically slave labor that can't ever escape. It's like H1B abuse is crazy.

[Steve Bannon]

Palmer is in the heart of it, so he knows of what he speaks. And you have Will Kane. And folks, if you keep in score at home, Fox is coming towards the populist nationalist, what the Wall Street Journal, Murdoch's Wall Street Journal mocked and ridiculed us about forever. You're seeing now the more populous voices over at Fox, people like Will Kane who are becoming stars and they understand, Mark Mitchell, that this is a hot button issue. Let me just be blunt about H1BS and for Elmo, for Elon, dude, you said it's a hill you're going to die on. Originally when I ripped your face off about this. It's not going to be reformed. It can't be reformed. It's a scam from start to finish. It has to be abolished. This is one of the things that young people are so and particularly Mark, the young people who buy into the system. Remember to become a tech worker in modern America, you have to be like the kid getting math right and science and technology, not poetry or not, not, not football, although tons of tech workers have played sports. But you have to be dedicated to understand stem. You have to dedicate your life to do it. Then you get into college, right? And then you do, you gotta do great in high school, you gotta the SATs, you got to do great. You have to be these engineers, computer scientists, people that are on it. Then you got to get into a college of which now all the colleges are either Chinese or South Asian. I went to a land grant university as an undergraduate and today in the engineering department you see that in the graduate programs, 100% it just, it blocks out Hispanic Americans, African Americans, white Americans, Asian Americans, anybody called an American. You don't get into these schools. If you don't get in the schools, then you can't get into Silicon valley. We have 12 million STEM, you know, tech workers in United States that don't have work until we get them jobs. We're not doing our job. And here's the thing, if H1B is, and I keep saying, show me a billet that they have a higher education or better job, saying for that bill, it doesn't exist. This is all about paying one group a third of what you pay the other group with no benefits. And they live in 10 to a condo in Silicon Valley. And as indentured servants. I thought we got rid of indentured servants back in the 18th century or 19th century in America. What are we doing, Mitchell? Is this one of the things that drives young people crazy? They can't get opportunities in a post industrial high tech world because we're inviting the world here, a world who hasn't done anything for the United States of America, lifted a finger and comes here and all they do is and moan about how the U.S. citizens not giving them everything, sir.

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, 100%. The entire world is a bunch of deadbeats and the American taxpayer has been funding these people. You have Western Europe with NATO and we're funding proxy wars. You have Africa with USAID and all the government backing. Then you have places like China where we're offshoring all the manufacturing and that's and brutal for the American workers. And then you have places like India with combined offshoring and remittances is taking up $150 billion roughly annually over economic value. But then you have all of the people that we imported from India who are taking up even more. And so what's wild to me is that yes, people don't understand the H1B program. It's popular. Popular because they don't understand this being abused. But if you promise the American dream and if that got you a 60% approval rating with under 40 voters and this is is the biggest thing affecting them, then as the leader of the free world you have to understand that and cut these deadbeats off because it is 100% a scam. My previous job was leading a big team inside Walmart E Commerce. And I saw it firsthand. You know, you can bleep this out, I'm going to use a bad word, but there's a term in Silicon Valley called vacation and that's when you make a really great product, you got all your customers hooked. And then over time the business interests, the MBA say well you know what, we got to squeeze another dollar out of that. And so you make the product a little bit worse. You cut corners, do as much qa. Well, what we have now is cultural vacation because basically we've taken sort of third world engineers who quite frankly I've seen statistics. There's a company that actually like measures how much people lie on their coding interviews and believe it or not, guess which one the highest, you know, mode response cheaters are from. It's definitely India. And they come over here, they get a Rubber stamp process. They come right on in through pipelines that have been built hand in hand with the government, corporate America and big college, Big college feeds off of these people because they use, you know, they have these NBA mills and they take these amazing jobs. And what blows my mind is that if you look still at a Trump administration, you can tell, look at Fox. That's great. Like Will Kane, Laura Ingraham, those are the only two names I've seen who are actually even willing to broach this topic. And I think Trump's probably surrounded by a bunch of people who are giving him billionaire talking points about how they have to defend it. But 99% of it is fraud. Fraud. And we focused on getting rid of the illegal immigrants. I think that's a really big deal. Obviously flaunting the rule of law, flooding our country with drugs and basically Venezuelan gang members. It's not a good thing. We should fix that. But for every single H1B, you know, senior developer at Apple that we send back, that's the equivalent economically probably of deporting 10 illegal aliens. So I don't know why we didn't do that yesterday. And the idea, yes, a lot of these people are entry level, but a lot of them are making a ton of money. Money. You know, Silicon Valley's got some of the highest real estate, the highest real estate in the entire country. Well, its workforce is roughly 2/3 foreign born. And where are most of those people coming from? They're India because Walmart had buildings, engineering buildings that were like 85, 90, 95% Indian nationals. And so they come in on these, you know, these golden pathways they take these jobs. I think a lot of it is used for ageism because you have a bottomless well of younger third world engineers. You know, people like, like me, who have a family who are a little more expensive, maybe have gotten a few raises, my health insurance is a little more expensive. Really easy to replace me and have me train my replacement. And then I get in and I see this is, you know, Walmart had a lot of problems with E commerce. Yeah, go ahead.

[Steve Bannon]

No, this is why when you, when he pull these kids, young people, and they say, well, you know, maybe we turn it over to the machine or, or I hate capitalism. We had Mondame there in the open. Mondami is, as I called it, he's in a sanctuary city. He's daring the President of the United States. He's daring Kristi Noem and Tom Homan to come in and basically make that part of the United States and he's sitting there telling the illegal alien invaders, who are essentially that.

And the legal migrants we brought in under these scams, that's what voted for him. He said, hey, I got your back. And Trump's not going to do anything. If Kristi Noem comes here, I'm going to throw her out. And if Tom Holman comes here, I'm going to arrest him. He's being as brazen as possible because that's their voting base. What Mark Mitchell just said a second ago about the H1B, don't take it from Mark Mitchell. Steve Bannon, Go to Jessica Vaughn at cis. Well, I think we got to break down her podcast. She had a podcast where. Had a guy who worked. It was Indian who worked at the consulate and I think in Mumbai, because they have 12 consulates. You know, Sergio is the ambassador, but they have 12 consulates. And he said this a guy that did it. He said the entire thing's a scam. It's all kickbacks, Indian companies doing kickbacks, guys in the consular getting kickbacks, because the whole country's based on. Wait for it, kickbacks, okay? He says it's just the way they do it. And he said two thirds, I think, of the people just made up their resumes. When I say, say there's not a guy filling a billet that an American couldn't fill because education, training, remember two thirds coming from India, the Indians are saying they just make it up. And this is why you have these huge complaints in Silicon Valley and they just churn through it. So a lot of these guys get there, they can't handle the job, they're gone, and they bring in more. Mark Mitchell.

[Mark Mitchell]

Yeah, I mean, I'm generally very worried about corporate culture. The way that I saw things, I was a hiring manager there. So I filtered through the stacks of resumes, and yes, there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Indian resumes. Many of them had like a follow on master's that they got in the United States applying for every job that was out there. But there were 100% domestic qualified people for every single role that I found. Now, here's the thing, though. If you're a pedantic hiring Karen and you very clearly want to act as a gatekeeper and force an H1B, it's really easy to put things in the job description that, quite frankly, in my opinion and in my experience, most domestic workers wouldn't lie on the resume to hit that requirement. And, you know, then you find the Indian resumes getting hired. And I'm you know, I'm sorry, that's just what happens in practice. And that's how you get buildings that are 90% foreign national in engineering. And I.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is why kids, people they.

[Mark Mitchell]

Hire, very nepotistic, you know, very big at finding a problem and trying to build out teams and build fiefdoms within these companies. And they've taken over most Fortune 500s. I don't know what a world would look like. We would be screwed.

[Steve Bannon]

It's got to all be blown out. You got to do it. And Mitchell, you come from, you talk about institutions that work. The British, the British became an empire because they had an institution that's pretty unique in human history, the Royal Navy. And I've gone through and when I was one of the reasons I want to go in the Navy, Nelson and the Royal Navy and the American Navy were always my heroes as a kid. And if you look at the institution of the Royal Navy, it's unbelievable what the Royal Navy did on a very small island to essentially take over the world. The strategy behind it and the execution of it and the discipline and the systems they had to have excellence over centuries. You came from also an institution, not simply the United States Navy, but a subset of it, the nuclear navy and Hyman Rickover.

The submarine navy and of course part of its diesel boat. But most of it's the nuclear Navy. I made a film with Michael Pacht, the anti Semite, Steve Ben. I made a film about Hyman Rickover and I made a film about Hyman Rickover because I saw a poll that showed one time only 5%, 3% of the American people knew who he was. And one of the greatest giants of the 20th century, we would not be free people today. It was less Hyman Rickover and he built an institution. You can't tell me engineers can't. We don't have the engineering expertise around the nuclear Navy that's never really had an accident and has kept this country safe for, I don't know, 60, 70, 80 years.

It's 60 or 70 years. It's unbelievable what he accomplished in that example. The nuclear Navy is an institution with traditions and customs and mores and requirements and accountability. That raises it to a level one of the great institutions in the world. This is what Americans are capable of. It is unacceptable for us to be bringing in the third world, like these Somalians into Minneapolis, into Maine, into these great parts of the country and destroying them as you're paying for it. Just like it's not acceptable to be bringing the third world in here to take our engineering jobs. The Americans are the greatest set of engineers in the world. Hell, we went to the moon. This is why I play the right stuff at the end of each hour to remind people of the greatness of this country and the greatness of the people in this country and particularly the greatness of the engineers in our country and the computer scientists and the grit and determination of those people. Remember, this is the great crime. You're taking people that from very little kids, you know, didn't focus in poetry and in history and English which are all great but doesn't require that daily rigor that you have to have to be a computer scientist to be an engineer. Think about everybody that went to college and wanted to be an engineer. And you had that opening class a five hour calculus. I remember at my school, you know, a third of the engineers were gone in the first six weeks. Why? They wanted to party at the frat or they wanted first time they were away from home they to wanted. Want to go and get drunk every night. You can't do that when you're an engineer. We've taken those people and told them you're not worthy. We're going to bring in the third world which are not up to their standards. Of course this is driving people insane. And then the young people say let's just turn it over to the algorithm. Let's turn it over to AI. Short break. Mark Mitchell, Mike Lindell, Captain Fennell on the other side.

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[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.

[Mark Mitchell]

Pete.

[Steve Bannon]

Hexth is at the is at the front line and Pete Hess is executing. That's why they all Over Pete Hexa to get rid of him. Kristi Nome, you see what she's up against. You just had the mayor elect of, of of New York City was in the Oval Office a couple weeks ago. Of course, his true colors, the unmasking was his victory speech. You saw, you saw how they're going to treat you when they win in that's what you're going to get. You're not going to get the happy clappy TikTok. That's all to suck you in. And you saw in this video we just played the top of the show, he's, he's telling these illegal alien invaders how to basically give the middle finger to US Authorities that are trying to repel the invasion. Full stop.

Christie, note to self, let's check his naturalization papers. I think you'll be surprised. I think we could denaturalize him. Then we send him back to Uganda.

Where he deserves to be because he's a Ugandan Marxist jihadist. How's that? And we ought to do that. And Kristi Noem is in a fight. They're trying to get her out. And of course the Mediaite article had at the bottom, the last paragraph was like Glenn Youngkin is trying to get the job or trying to get some job in the administration. Glenn Youngkin who single handedly destroyed the Republican Party for a generation in the Commonwealth. Commonwealth, my beloved Commonwealth of Virginia. Mark Mitchell, if you had the president and were able to just give him right now a heads up of what you think the midterms are going to be about because I keep telling people you don't have the summer and the fall. I think this thing will solidify. And you're telling me now it's D plus 3. Although didn't I just see Rasmussen, not the Rasmussen you run, but Scott Rasmussen. Tell me it was R +5 to Scott Rasmussen saying you embarrass are looking at the wrong numbers, brother.

[Mark Mitchell]

He sticks out on the aggregate. I guess I'll just say that. And I didn't have Harris +5 in August, so I guess I'll also say that. But you know, as for the president, I mean, you know, I gave him some advice. This is going to be a mud wrestling contest, which I guess is good for Republicans because it's not a blue wave with D plus three. But they, you know, they have to understand that they could do better. They could do what they were elected to do. And in my opinion, if Donald Trump wants to do that, he shouldn't get distracted by the shiny object, in my opinion, that is Mamdani. I think that he should focus on actually fixing Americans problems, especially the younger people. And that's the basically to step back. The government is jacked up and our capitalist economy is jacked up. And I think he needs to be very clear eyed specifically about why. It's because of cronyism, corporatism, regulatory capture, all of these things. Right. And that's not something you can fix in one year, but it's something that you could fix over a multi year plan and lay out what it looks like and bring Americans along for the ride. Like let's get back to some of that inspirational messaging. Don't tell us a golden age is already here. We all know it's not. Don't look at the stock market and tell us the golden age is here almost. And don't look at interest rates and say, well just cutting interest rates will get us there. We also know that's not going to work. We have like 16% youth unemployment ratings. Half of them think that it's not possible for everyone who wants to find a job to get work. And everybody thinks that the housing price is a crisis. Like these are the voters under 40, these are the people that Donald Trump had eating out of the palm of his hand back in March. I think he could recapture them with plan and intention and make it our new national project. You know what was great about the Rickover Navy is, is that Steve, they actually trained people to operate a reactor in 12 months who are history majors. And I'm old enough to remember when we had a president that, that said that we could take coal miners and teach them to code in 16 weeks at a boot camp. So we have the capability. Let's just acknowledge that, you know, we could put ourselves together and do this, rebuild the economy. But unfortunately it's going to take a little bit more of a hostile relationship with all of these oligarchs that have.

[Steve Bannon]

Captured D.C. when Admiral Rickover gave those famous interviews, we did this in the film PAC did such a great job.

He many times didn't go for people that were engineers or computer science majors or technical majors. He sometimes went for people that are English and history majors because he saw something in the person that was driven to perfection and accountability and responsibility. And Admiral Rickover created an institution inside an institution that was extraordinary, has kept America safe since they first started that reactor in Idaho to do the experiments. You're 100% correct, Mark Mitchell. It's always good talking to a Naval Academy grad on A Monday morning. Where do people go to get all your content? Because, because you're fired up, brother, big time.

[Mark Mitchell]

Where they go RasmussenPole and nspolster and check me out on YouTube as well. We do videos and stream once or twice a week.

[Steve Bannon]

Mark. Yeah, everybody's gotta get. Your youtubes are fantastic. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

[Mark Mitchell]

Great to be here. Thanks.

[Steve Bannon]

Mike Lindell, what in the hell is going on in Minneapolis and what are you going to do about it?

[Mark Mitchell]

So.

[Mike Lindell]

Well, I'll tell you, Steve, I was glad to see that the treasury secretary is going after Keith Ellison and Elon Omar and Tim Waltz. I believe a lot of money went to them from further campaigns and they're from the, this big fraud, billions dollars now it's, they don't even know how high it goes, Steve. But we did know Even back in 2018 where I was involved, Jason Lewis, you know, it was all uncovered back then. This was in daycare and stuff, all this other fraud for the end, for all these.

For Minnesota, for all these welfare programs and all this other stuff going on. And so I'm dumping right in, Steve, to this. We've got, we've got our own reporters from Lindell TV coming here this week. We're going to our own investigative reporters and taking all this into, into account because as you know, Heath Ellison is attacking me directly. Elon Omar has attacked me directly back in the day and so is Tim Waltz. So this is an all out battle here and you know, they've.

[Steve Bannon]

Give me a minute. Hang on, hang on. I'm gonna hold you through the break but just give me a minute before we go to break. Omar, we realized that she could be denaturalized quickly. Why, why have you talked to Christy? Have you talked to the guys over dhs? Why is this not happening? Why are we just step one, let's focus on some of the problems. She's a big part of the problem. Why do you, why do you know, do you have any idea why we're not doing that?

[Mike Lindell]

Maybe they're getting more information on her to put her in prison. You know, that would be my hope. You know this. There was a time, Steve, when her and I were going on CBS Sunday Morning and we were both in the green room together and we started arguing and the host came in. Steve, no, you're not going on together. This woman has done more what I believe more crimes against not just our state, this against our country. And it's disgusting. So I'm hoping that it's because they're gathering more evidence and more, more crimes that she's committed against her. That's what I'm, that's what I'm hoping. I know we all want. Steve. If you look up patience, you don't see a picture of me. I'm not a patient person. But I'll tell you, over the last, last year, few years, I've had to learn to be patient. But I think we all have to be here and let this, let this, let these guys all do their jobs and really get this, see how deep it goes and, and then get them all rested.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on one second. We're going to hold Mike Lindell over. Captain Fennell is going to join us. Talk about Pearl harbor, what it means today in your life.

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