THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4764)

Summary

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Real America's Voice: "THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON"

Episode 4764 — September 9, 2025

Main Theme / Purpose of the Episode

This episode of the War Room, hosted by Stephen K. Bannon, features an unfiltered discussion of the state of American politics under the Trump presidency following recent Supreme Court decisions. The conversation delves into claims of authoritarianism, institutional takeovers, and the urgency of a “maximalist” MAGA strategy to consolidate conservative power. The episode highlights political tactics, redistricting battles, demographic shifts, and the perceived threats posed by globalism and radicalism. There’s an emphasis on grassroots energy, GOP mobilization, and an aggressive approach to countering Democratic gains.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Authoritarian Consolidation & Trump’s Use of Power

Timestamps: 00:35–04:45

• The show opens with a commentator warning that America is "no longer in the muzzle velocity stage" of Trump's presidency but rather in a phase of "authoritarian consolidation."

• Accusations include Trump corrupting government institutions, targeting political enemies, manipulating the Federal Reserve and Bureau of Labor Statistics, and using federal agencies for personal gain.

• Quote:

  "Donald Trump is corrupting the government. He is using it to hound his enemies, to line his pockets and to entrench his own power. He is corrupting it the way the Mafia would corrupt the industries it controlled." — Unknown Political Commentator 1 (00:35)

• Notably, the administration is described as weaponizing the state, referencing real and alleged firings and legal actions (e.g., targeting Adam Schiff, Lisa Cook, Tish James).

• Discussion parallels behavior typical of authoritarian or mafia-style regimes.

• Concern is raised about the normalization of these tactics.

2. Supreme Court Rulings: Presidential Power & Independence

Timestamps: 07:23–08:32

• Recent Supreme Court rulings have shifted the balance of power, enabling President Trump to fire members of independent agencies (e.g., the FTC commissioner).

• Carol Markowitz and Bannon challenge the legal and historical grounding of these decisions, warning of “absolute control over the federal government.”

• Quote:

  "Donald Trump fired an FTC commissioner, broke that 90 year precedent, and the Supreme Court today rewarded him, allowed him to take this shocking step toward absolute control." — Stephen K. Bannon (07:40)

• The panel argues these decisions may not have been rendered if another president were in office, suggesting a partisan bias from the court.

• Discussion includes public distrust in the idea of “equal justice.”

3. National Guard, ICE Raids, and ‘Authoritarianism Happening’

Timestamps: 09:55–10:58

• Trump’s domestic deployments of the National Guard to U.S. cities and the use of masked ICE agents are characterized as steps toward authoritarian rule.
• The firing of officials who would stand in the way of Trump’s “accumulation or exercise of power” is highlighted as integral to the current regime.
• Pardons of January 6 rioters and purges within the Justice Department are presented as further evidence.
• Quote:

  "You often hear this line, this is how authoritarianism happens. No, this is authoritarianism happening." — Unknown Political Commentator 1 (10:26)

4. Strategizing MAGA: The ‘Maximalist’ Approach

Timestamps: 11:42–15:35

• Bannon responds to accusations of authoritarianism by framing the MAGA project as a necessary “maximalist strategy” to seize control of American institutions and reverse what he calls the damage done by globalists and the neoliberal order.

• Emphasis on acting with urgency: “Burning daylight.”

• Examples include targeting the Kennedy Center, the Smithsonian, the military, the Federal Reserve, and “the administrative state.”

• Quote:

  "Seize the institutions, a maximalist strategy. Take it all the way to its logical conclusion and do it with a sense of urgency that we're burning daylight." — Stephen K. Bannon (12:31)

• He notes this MAGA approach is mirrored in populist-nationalist movements abroad, referencing political upsets in Japan, France, Norway, and Brazil.

• Claims success overseas is inspiring the American populist movement.

5. Election Integrity and Redistricting Battles

Timestamps: 29:30–42:28

• News breaks about the dismissal of charges in the Michigan "false electors" case—a victory celebrated as a vindication for populist patriots.

• Bannon and Alex DeGrasse (described as a key operative in GOP strategy) dissect ongoing redistricting quests to favor Republicans in states like Texas, Florida, Missouri, and California.

• DeGrasse argues the 2020 census unfairly favored blue states and that future efforts must focus on excluding illegal immigrants and solidifying GOP gains through “maximalist” redistricting.

• Quote:

  "Certainly the Commerce Departments and the Census's own audit admits that the 2020 census heavily favored blue states just based off their own very faulty numbers." — Alex DeGrasse (33:26)

• California’s possible move to a near-exclusive Democratic congressional delegation is used to demonstrate Democratic “smash mouth” tactics; Bannon calls for the GOP to meet this with equal ferocity.

• Examples of states with “zero” opposition representation (e.g., all of New England states: “25 to nothing”) highlight the importance of fighting gerrymandering.

6. Grassroots Activation & Conservative Movement Infrastructure

Timestamps: 43:37–49:17

• Discussion of the upcoming “Rebels, Rogues, and Outlaws Tour” and the America First Warehouse as a locus for grassroots MAGA organizing.
• Bannon and DeGrasse describe the intense level of activism and solidarity among MAGA supporters in New York and Long Island, painting these areas as “MAGA Thunderdome” and “hardcore.”
• Quote:

  “The America First Warehouse is the real deal. I mean, this stuff is the most hardcore of the hardcores...” — Alex DeGrasse (43:57)

• Repeated calls for supporters to stay energized and act aggressively at the local and district level.

7. Global Threats and Foreign Policy Commentary

Timestamps: 15:00–16:13, 47:00+

• Bannon discusses international events—Jewish safety, Middle East violence, and global populist trends—arguing that threats to Israel and the West come more from “London and New York” than from Tehran.
• He links political developments abroad to challenges facing U.S. populists, frequently referencing conspiracy and influence from the Muslim Brotherhood and the Chinese Communist Party.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On the shift in Trump’s presidency:

  "We are in the authoritarian consolidation stage of this presidency." — Unknown Political Commentator 1 (00:35)

• On federal institutional takeover:

  "Seize the institutions, a maximalist strategy. Take it all the way to its logical conclusion..." — Stephen K. Bannon (12:31)

• On the urgent need for GOP mobilization:

  “President Trump needs amazing and massive backup. We have to go fix bayonets on this, seize the institutions." — Stephen K. Bannon (12:57)

• On Florida and California redistricting:

  "California has the largest congressional delegation at 52 seats. ... They're going to a map that's 48 seats and four for Republicans in a state that's the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world that has 40% of the vote as Republican votes." — Stephen K. Bannon (36:25)

• On bipartisan gerrymandering tactics:

  "You take a step back, you look at, you know, obviously Massachusetts, you look at Connecticut, where they don't, they don't leave anything on the table, Steve. We don't have a single Republican." — Alex DeGrasse (41:55)

• On New York grassroots:

  "These guys take everything that we talk about to the true maximalists. ... They've done the precinct strategy. They've been out there hammering on the doors." — Alex DeGrasse (43:57)

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Critical Segments & Timestamps

| Segment Topic | Timestamps | |---------------|------------| | Claims of authoritarian consolidation & Trump’s tactics | 00:35–04:45 | | Supreme Court discussions on presidential power | 07:23–08:32 | | National Guard, ICE, DOJ purges: “authoritarianism happening” | 09:55–10:58 | | Bannon’s response: the MAGA “maximalist” strategy | 11:42–15:35 | | Michigan false electors case dropped | 29:30–30:56 | | Deep dive into redistricting & census politics | 33:26–42:28 | | New York, “MAGA Thunderdome” activism | 43:37–49:17 |

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Tone & Language Note

The episode features combative, urgent, and at times provocative rhetoric. Bannon’s style is unapologetic, framing the stakes in existential terms and frequently invoking militaristic analogies (“fix bayonets,” “seize the institutions,” “maximalist strategy”). Supporters are urged to match the aggression of Democrats (“smash mouth”) and to reject convention, legality, or deference if it obstructs the populist nationalist cause.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a high-energy window into today’s rawest populist-conservative arguments about institutional power, electoral manipulation, and grassroots urgency. It’s valuable for observing the strategies, framing, and rhetoric shaping the Trumpist movement as it seeks to deepen its hold over American political life—and for understanding the deep polarization that marks the nation’s current political landscape.

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Transcript

[Carol Markowitz]

This is an iHeart podcast. You want smart political talk without the meltdowns, we got you. I'm Carol Markowitz. And I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. We've been around the block in media and we're doing things differently. Normally is about real conversations, thoughtful, try to be funny, grounded, and no panic. We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day. Join us every Tuesday and Thursday Normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

We are no longer in the muzzle velocity stage of this presidency, where Donald Trump is trying things and seeing what sticks. We are in the authoritarian consolidation stage of this presidency. I want to be very clear about what I'm saying here. Donald Trump is corrupting the government. He is using it to hound his enemies, to line his pockets and to entrench his own power. He is corrupting it the way the Mafia would corrupt the industries it controlled. You could still, under Mafia rule, get the trash picked up by cement, but the point of those industries had become the preservation and expansion of the mafia's power and wealth. This is what Donald Trump is doing to the government. This is what Democrats cannot fund. This is what they have to try to stop. Just in the last few months, we've watched Trump fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics because he didn't like the jobs data. We watched him fire the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated after the agency.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

Suggested that the administration's strike on Iran only set their nuclear program back by a couple of months. We watched Trump muse about firing Jerome Powell because he wanted interest rates lower. Powell, of course, being the chair of the Federal Reserve. And now we're watching him try to fire Lisa Cook, a Federal Reserve governor, for alleged mortgage fraud. We've watched Trump sic his government on Senator Adam Schiff and Attorney General Tish James of New York. Again, allegations of mortgage fraud. I'm going to note that this is not coming after the Trump administration conducted an exhaustive review of the mortgage documents of every person serving in the executive branch branch right now. This is just what authoritarian governments do. They have a lot of information, they look hard enough, and everyone has either done something wrong or even if they haven't, you can cause them a lot of trouble by just saying they have. We've watched Trump suggest the FCC should pull the broadcast licenses for NBC and.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

ABC because they are so biased and untruthful, an actual threat to our democracy.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

We watched the Trump administration force the resignation of a series of Republican prosecutors because they would not drop their case against New York Mayor Eric Adams.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Game over, Eric.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

And the Trump administration seemed to have decided it'd be more convenient to have Adams in their pocket than defending himself in court.

[Carol Markowitz]

The Trump administration is weighing potential job offers for Mayor Adams.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

John Bolton became a critic of Trump's after serving in his first administration.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No, I don't think he's competent to be president. I think that his political instincts are all about Donald Trump.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

A couple of weeks ago, Trump's FBI raided his house. Chris Christie, the former New Jersey governor, criticized Trump on tv.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Donald Trump sees himself as the person.

[Carol Markowitz]

Who gets to decide everything.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

He absolutely rejects the idea that there.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Should be separation between criminal investigations and.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The politically elected leader of the United States. When I listen to Chris speak his hate, I say, oh, what about the George Washington Bridge? You know, he blamed other people, but.

[Carol Markowitz]

He knew all about it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So, no, I don't know if they want to look at it. Not for me. If they want to look at it, they can.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

Trump has an enemies list, and he's using the power of the federal government to punish and harass his foes.

[Carol Markowitz]

I do want to put the post from the weekend up, because this can never be normalized. An American president sent out a tweet. Essentially, it would be easy to understand it as a declaration of war against Americans living in an American city. Miles Taylor, you know better than just about anyone how reluctantly General John Kelly spoke out and did a recorded interview. Ahead of the interview, he warned about exactly this. He did an interview after Secretary Mattis and General Mark Milley described Donald Trump as fascistic to the core. That's a quote to Bob Woodward. He did an interview where he confirms that Donald Trump meets all the technical definitions of a fascist. But he goes further, and he describes what is wrong with putting US Troops on the streets of American cities and warns about its impact to the military. Where are all those voices speaking out for what this does? Put that tweet up one more time. I promise this is the last day we'll do that. What does this do to the military to have a president use them as propaganda against their fellow Americans? Well, I think, Nicole, anyone who was trying to find a moment, or perhaps anyone who was waiting for a moment to say that we crossed over that line into Trump creating a fascist environment, has got to look at the timestamp on that post and say it happened in that moment. You know, our friend Garrett Graf, the historian who you've had on before and who's been out there on the networks. You know, Garrett a couple of weeks ago said this in a fantastic post where he said we've crossed that line. And it's, it's not always a bright line. But if you were doubtful about that, this type of tweet says it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And you mentioned John Kelly.

[Carol Markowitz]

You know, we're not talking about a random appointee inside the government. We're talking about the guy that was by the president's side as the White House chief of staff. You talked about Jim Mattis. We're talking about his secretary of defense. We talk about these people who were there with him in these moments and who have attested that he had these fascistic impulses. And now we are seeing it brought to life. I think this is deeply demoralizing to the United States military. But to your question, Nicole, why aren't we seeing a lot of these folks speaking out? I think the answer is fear. I mean, when you say that a man is going to act like fascist, you know, that means he's going to engage in intimidation and threats and he will try to destroy the lives of his critics. Now, I would like to think some more of those critics are going to come back to the fore. But I know people personally who spoke out the past couple of years who've now gone to ground because they're terrified. They've seen what's happened to me or John Bolton or Chris Krebs or go on down the list, and they don't want it to happen to them. Donald Trump is living out his authoritarian fantasies. It's happening. The Supreme Court allows Trump to X like beyond what we just learned on immigration today. We learned today that they are letting him fire an FTC commissioner, at least for now. And I want to share what Justice Amy Coney Barrett said earlier about these very rulings. We're not deciding cases just for today, and we're not deciding cases based on the president as in the current occupant of the office. We're deciding cases about the presidency. So we're taking each case and we're looking at the question of presidential power as it comes. Mark Joseph Stern, what do you make of that?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No, Justice BARRETT, no. For 90 years, the president was not allowed to fire FTC commissioners. It is an independent agency. The Supreme Court has unanimously held for 90 years that its members cannot be.

[Carol Markowitz]

Fired at will by the president.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Donald Trump fired an FTC commissioner, broke that 90 year precedent, and the Supreme Court today rewarded him, allowed him to take this shocking step toward absolute control.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

Over the Federal government.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I really struggle to believe that the court would do this if it weren't a president with an R next to his name, and quite possibly if it weren't Donald Trump himself. I think this court is continually siding with Trump over the shadow docket in order to avoid having to even put any meat on the bones of its decisions, to explain, to justify itself to the American public. Because some of these decisions are unjustifiable, they're indefensible. And so when the court issues these orders in the dead of night, when it doesn't sign the opinions, when it does all of this essentially anonymously, it allows these justices to favor Trump in a way that really contorts the law and precedent and leaves the American people wondering, whatever happened to the idea of equal justice?

[Carol Markowitz]

I think there's a lot of Americans, Mika, who voted for Donald Trump, who are waking up this morning and seeing the Supreme Court decision and saying, is this really the country that I live in? Is this really what a 6:3 Supreme Court in the United States decided? Yeah, sure, they want crime lowered, sure, they want, you know, illegal immigrants who are causing strife in their communities, deported. But they don't want people who have been a part of the community for a long time, grandmothers, you know, teachers, nurses, people who are institutions in our communities, indiscriminately let go, getting pulled over because of the color of their skin and getting their papers checked or whatever these ICE agents are doing, and then throwing them in the back of a car. Many of the these ICE agents, as we know, we've seen the pictures that the Trump administration can't hide from this. We've seen the videos are not marked. They're not wearing, you know, any sort of labeling that would. That would suggest who they are. They look like some of them are in plain clothes with masks on, grabbing people off their motorbikes, grabbing people out of their cars. This is not what a lot of Americans signed up for when they voted for Donald Trump again. And I think that's something this administration going into the midterms, which are 14 months away, which is not very long, is going to have to figure out, like, is this going to be a political risk if it's something they even care about? Because right now it is. And this is not what Americans, a lot of Americans want to see.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

We've watched Trump deploy the National Guard to Los Angeles and then to Washington, D.C. with more cities expected to come under federal military occupation soon.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, we're going in. I didn't say when. We're Going in.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

We've watched masked ICE agents conducting raids all over the country, refusing to reveal their faces, badge numbers or warrants.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No, no, you can't.

[Unknown Political Commentator 1]

We've watched Trump systematically purge the government of Inspector Generals, of JAGs, of military officers, of federal prosecutors, anyone who seems like they might stand in the way of his corruption or his accumulation or exercise of power. It is an astonishing fact that the January 6 riot has been pardoned and dozens of the Justice Department lawyers who prosecuted them have been fired. You often hear this line, this is how authoritarianism happens. No, this is authoritarianism happening.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Okay. Tuesday, the 9th of September, in the year of our Lord 2025. Let it be officially known after the Supreme Court ruling. Actually, I think it built up before that. But from the Supreme Court rulings last night, that back President Trump on what he's doing with the National Guard and what particularly he's doing on these potential mass deportations in these insurrectionist sanctuary cities like Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, Washington, D.C. which it's peace and prosperity in the Capitol. Today, because of what President Trump has done, they are officially in meltdown. That's Ezra Klein, I think, from his podcast.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We pulled that kind of. As a framing device. Axios, if we can get. Do I have the. Did I get you the Axios story? So Tal Axelrod has done an amazing story. Some of it's from Charlie Kirk and Jack Posovic, myself, the Real America Voice crew on our shows, also the podcast and in addition, the national conservatism speeches last week that they said MAGA is all about, focused on grabbing as much power as possible as quickly as possible. Remember the three things in this maximalization strategy. Seize the institutions, a maximalist strategy. Take it all the way to its logical conclusion and do it with a sense of urgency that we're burning daylight. Now, here's the disconnect that we have. You guys have it because you use your agency. And we've had our. We've been back against the wall a couple of times, you know, during the pandemic, during the 2020 election, which they stole during the years in the wilderness of 21 and 22, until President Trump really announced right after the midterm elections. But there is a general. The difference in the polling. Now, when you look at things politically, although the Democrats have not acted like an opposition party and are not organized, the sense of urgency on their side, in the sense of. Because they have a focus of hate, they have a focus of pure hate, and that is President Trump and President Trump. Their hatred of President Trump is motivating them as a motivating factor. You don't have that with the Republicans and you don't even have that with some of MAGA because it said, hey, President Trump's elected. We had this tremendous victory. We can just lean on our race and let President Trump do it. No, no, no, no, no, no. President Trump needs amazing and massive backup. We have to go fix bayonets on this, seize the institutions. And you're seeing this happen from the Kennedy center to the Smithsonian to the military, to the Federal Reserve to the administrative state, all of it. Why is that? Because the globalist and the neoliberal neocons have completely distorted and destroyed the promise of America with the American empire. And that's what we need to take apart brick by brick. This kind of post war international rules based order which the elites in the world, the globalist elites used to line their own pockets and, and destroy working class people. Socialize the risk the downside, maximize unlimited upside. That's the economic model. And for them it's worked. This is why they hate so much what President Trump is doing. And if you don't think this, if you don't think this is spreading around the world, I got the papers right here. Japan government falls. France government falls. Are going to put the screws to Macron this week. They're going to try to force a, a presidential election. In Norway, the populist picking up momentum. The populist nationalist. Bolsonaro, they're getting more desperate in his trial down there. Madura, this Maduro situation, we got to think through, you know, no need to go starting wars here. President Trump's a man of peace, so on the short list for the Nobel Peace Prize because he's trying to do it in Ukraine and in Gaza. Strike this morning. Assassination, decapitation strike. Ever heard that before? In Qatar by the Israelis against the, wait for it, Muslim Brotherhood.

[Carol Markowitz]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Ham. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of Normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Soon.

[Carol Markowitz]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Alex DeGrasse]

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[Carol Markowitz]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Alex DeGrasse]

And we're just gonna go do it on the 12th.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Steve Bannon will host War Room Live at 5pm And Steve will be back again on the 13th, followed by one hour with Peter Navarro. I went to prison so you won't have to. The Rebels, Rogues and Outlaws tour September 12th and 13th at the America First Warehouse. Scan the QR code to see pricing and availability. Don't miss this opportunity. Tickets won't last. Gold's at 3,688. 3,688. What does that tell us? That tells us it's time for you to understand this. Don't be looking at the price. Don't be guessing at the price. Don't be counting your chickens before the hatch. Don't do that. The show is to make available to you on every different level in so many different topics. Information and a framework and a process of how to learn. It's one of the things people either are never taught or they forget how to take any topic and how to break it down and think about the component parts. Like the process of how things were historical process, business process, economic process. Right. 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It's one of the deals we had with Burch was all be free. Make sure you get access to it and talk to Philip Patrick. Philip will be with us this afternoon. President's gonna have a signing right beforehand during Eric Bolling show. It looks like signing a proclamation. I think our own Brian Glenn will be there. President will probably take a couple of three questions knowing the president of these United States. Jim Rickards on geopolitics, national security, global economy. Go to rickardswarroom.com you get access to Strategic Intelligence. It's a newsletter read by not just the top investors in the world, but also what I call the C suite. Chairman of the boards and CEOs read what they read, get their knowledge. It's not beyond your grasp. If you're a regular listener of the show, you understand it or you can begin to understand it. That's the whole purpose of the show, to use your agency. Right now, the agency of this movement and President Trump's government is number one. Seize the institutions. Because you seize the institutions, people. These guys are anti institution. No, we're anti what you've allowed these institutions to become. And they're going to be purged and they're going to be reconstructed. And you see that happening right now with President Trump. This makes permanent the revolution. Institutions give you permanence. That's why you have to seize the institutions. Tal Axelrod over at, over at Axios gets it. He's got Charlie Kirk and Poso, myself and others talking about the sense of urgency that MAGA is looking to get. More wins, more urgent wins. And do it now. Now, now we're burning daylight and you have to have a maximalist strategy. Maximalist. You have the opportunity. Degrasse is going to join us in a moment and he quite frankly is the young architect of this in 22 and now and all these people run around taking Credit. Hey, in 22 he came boom here early on in the summer and the focus was Texas, of which we should have taken eight states, eight districts, not, not, not five. This afternoon, time permitting, we're going to have some people from California on to talk about what's going on out there. Because I'm not seeing it right now that we're going to stop that redistricting that Newsom's doing to launch his presidential campaign. Maybe so seize the institutions maximalist in a sense of urgency. I contain the polling right now because so many, particularly the lower information, lower engagement, that's fine. They're just not that interested in politics. They're thinking, hey, President Trump's there. I'm seeing every day, I'm hearing it every day. It's fine. We can just rest on our rakes and watch. Obviously that is an option. But you can tell, you can see right now, the Democrats with no real partying opposition, nothing on the policy side, just sitting there going in, yammering and whining that Trump's a dictator, Trump's an authoritarian. Trump is this, Trump is that when he's trying to, he's trying to end all these wars, right? He's trying to stop the kinetic part of the third World War. He's trying to deal with the safety of our own country and its sovereignty. Not just by sealing the border, by going after the cartels, by going into these sanctuary cities, making sure we put good order and discipline there. And he's going to Chicago. Ben Berkwamp came up Operation Midway Blitz. We kicked it off yesterday with Ben Berkwom who's an in bed. Ben can't join us this morning, but we're going to get Ben on this afternoon, time permitting. Ben will be with us this afternoon to go after, you know that. And right now they're narrow, casting that as ICE raids, more ICE enforcement, the beginning of not just bad hombres, but lead into mass deportations. President Trump's policies, I think Cortez was on Gutfeld, I think he said it's over a million self deportations. We need a lot more now that we have the resources we have to go to the mass deportations phase. Degrasse is going to be here on and haven't seen commerce come out and announce the census. We have to do that. We need a mid decade census. But until that time we need to take, I don't know, on a gross number, not netting out California. Anything else? I think you can get 15 seats plus, right, you got, you got Texas for five, Florida for five. Maximalist, you must maximize. We have to go full maximalist right now because this is what they do. This is why the conservatives have never put a dent into this entire apparatus after all those victories. It was to play by their rules. We're not playing by the rules. We're playing by Trump's rules. New rules. The situation where President Trump's trying to start. Now, here is, and this goes back to what I said, the Muslim Hamas is a franchise of the Muslim Brotherhood. Now Netanyahu, this crew, head cutter, the Muslim Brotherhood financing what was going on in Gaza. And they had all kind of strategic reasons to want to do it. There's a scandal in Israel about people around Netanyahu taking money from Qatar. And Qatar spread money everywhere. There's an article I'll put up this afternoon. They spread money everywhere, but they're the financier of the Muslim Brotherhood. Okay, the, even the IDF guy. The idf. I put it up. He gave. I think I put it up. He gave an amazing interview to the Times of Israel over the weekend. Excuse me, excuse me. The former head of Mossad, who's not a Netanyahu fan, in fact, he says he may run against Netanyahu for the presidency, that Israel needs a new government. And he said, hey, the Mossad, we didn't take any money, but there was a lot of money taken. This puts a lie to. As we've said on this show from the beginning, it makes no sense what happened on the 7th of October. There has been no inquiry into it. The reason is this entire war is to keep Netanyahu in power. And what did we tell you when they kept saying, oh, Hamas and Iran's in back of everything. Back Hamas, they're in doing a decapitation strike in Doha against Muslim Brotherhood. Because guess what? The Muslim Brotherhood and the mosque guys, which are one in the same, live in Doha and they're financed at a Qatar, not Tehran, not Tehran. And so this morning they had the strike. And I will say this again and again and again, the threat to Israel and the threat to the Jewish people, the principal existential threat is not in Tehran. It is in London, the streets of London and the power corridors in London and shortly in New York City. Right now it's on the streets with the Working Families Party in the dsa. And Ma' am, Donnie, because guess where his mother. And we have no idea where all this money comes from. A guy named Sam Antor has some great charts, but the money comes from Qatar. His mother is financed. You know, they're fat cats. He's no kid. From the streets. They're financed by. Wait for it. Oh, Qatar. Hmm. Let me see. I think I see some pattern recognition here. Oh, yeah, that's right. The Muslim Brotherhood. I don't know why they were in Gaza all those years. You make a pact, you make a fian. Pact with the devil, the devil going to come back and, you know, read Faust. He's come back, he's going to get his souls, he's going to get his pound of flesh always and everywhere. You're in bed with the devil, the devil's going to get it. Short commercial break. Back in the war room. Just a moment.

[Carol Markowitz]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time. Long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started, normally, a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. What they wanted. So in this courtroom, we don't really care your race, color, creed, national origins, religious belief, or your political beliefs. But we do care about the law and that we believe that it should be applied to protect every individual equally. And I believe that they were executing their constitutional right to seek redress. And that's based on the statements of all of the people's witnesses. And so for those reasons, these cases will not be bound over to the circuit court. Each case will be dismissed.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Holy mackerel. Praise God. In Michigan, I think I'm understanding this correctly. The false electors case dropped. And those people, just incredible. Those people out. Christina, Bob's going to be here in the next hour. We're going to talk about all this. I think I interpret. I think I got that right. Because Michigan was doing. We were monitoring this. Can we get. Can we tee that up and play it again? I'm going to play that again. That is a long time coming. These folks in Arizona, in Michigan, and in Georgia are heroes. They are leaders. They are leaders, patriotic leaders in the populist nationalist MAGA movement and true heroes, and did this with no whining. Let's go and play it again.

[Carol Markowitz]

The courts weren't giving them what they wanted. So in this courtroom we don't really care your race, color, creed, national origins, religious belief or your political beliefs. But we do care about the law and that we believe that it should be applied to protect every individual equally. And I believe that they were executing their constitutional right to seek redress. And that's based on the statements of all of the people's witnesses. And so for those reasons, these cases will not be bound over to the circuit court. Each case will be dismissed. Wow.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In Michigan. Incredible. Alex DeGrasse, what a joyous day. I want to get you on here and thank you for being the tip of the tip of the spear. You were alerted us I think it was in late 2021, about 22. About what was going to happen and how important the redistricting were. Then in the great fight we had in 22 essentially gave us the, the control of the House. Let's be blunt. Those seats, we won them all right? That, that, I think that's the, I think it's, I think it's the delta in the House now because of major demographic shifts not just in the country which the 2020 census didn't pick up because it was gun decked. It was all done inappropriately Wilbur Ross over commerce as Stephen Miller and I warned you. Plus it counted illegal aliens. Demographic shifts in the country and in addition demographic shifts and population shifts inside the states require us to do it. Absent that it's kind of get on with it and you alerted us early on of what was there and what was on the table. And quite frankly the war in posse has driven this and fought like hell in Texas. And people taking bows like Abbott and Patrick. It's a joke. And the. In the. And the speaker of the House and people in President Trump's political operation tell him that the speaker of the House of Texas has been for this. Are giving him bad information. These people fought it. So where do we stand right now? Because they're in meltdown. Maybe we can pull that and play it. They're in meltdown. You know Mark Elias and msnbc, they're now in meltdown over Missouri, Indiana, all of it. So where do we. Degrasse, you're the architect here. Where do we actually stand in this? Because folks, I'm telling you. And I got Mark Mitchell coming on with some polling, the intensity on their side, right? Because you saw how this thing started. Authoritarian takeover, the consolidation phase. These people are all fascist and they're Jacking their folks up. They don't really have a counter program. It's just Orange man bad. You know, Orange man dictator hate Trump, which is a motivator for those folks to grasp where do we stand in the project to make sure that we sort this thing out and we get appropriate representation inside the states, Sir?

[Alex DeGrasse]

So I think two things, Steve. I think one really important fact for the posse out there on the front lines is, you know, certainly the Commerce Departments and the Census's own audit admits that the 2020 census heavily favored blue states just based off their own very faulty numbers. So even at the baseline of counting illegal immigrants and, you know, doing all this insane stuff that they should have stopped, obviously it still is heavily favored. So we have great reason hopefully to follow through on what President Trump had declared, and we were obviously very excited about that, is the prospect of, you know, a new census that would discount illegal immigrants and then obviously correctly count, since we have a reason to do it, because 2020 was obviously disastrous. And so if you were to do that, obviously. So that's one piece. Remember, we had the three kind of converging vectors, obviously Supreme Court rulings, which will take some time and will play into effect as a second order degree into the next election cycle, most likely, fine, we're going to pocket that. The second one being obviously the census which we're waiting on, which would be huge. And every day that goes by makes it a little bit challenging to kind of factor in, obviously on this cycle, most likely not the case. And so, and then you've got the first vector, which we've been talking about and the posse has been leading on and you discussed, which is obviously the redistricting right now. Right. Answering the Democrats gerrymandering, which is what this is all about. Obviously you've got the states we mentioned and, and we're making progress, Steve, but frankly, it's not enough. And we have to move harder, faster, more maximalist. Obviously, you look at Missouri's moving, picking up one would have been nice to pick up two, just little things like that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And they're slow down, slow down. Because I want to get, I want to make sure everybody, this is all maximalist. So right now Texas is five. Right? Are you, because you know this better than anybody, are you. Do you agree with us, the war room, that we think there's another couple of three minimum and you actually could get to another five and just in Texas. And I'm not saying they're going to do it and Abbott doesn't want to do it. They think they put it to bed. But do you believe right now in Texas there may be a couple, three sitting on the, sitting on the table that we can pick up?

[Alex DeGrasse]

No doubt about that, Steven. I think that's really important for people to understand. And I've been telling our friends in California, the current Texas map, which Democrats are honestly falsely decreeing as gerrymandered, is less gerrymandered than the current California map that's about to be further gerrymandered when you look at the vote percentage and then seats, right. So statewide vote percentage and then how many seats they hold. So that's really important. Again, the current California map, which is about to be blown to hell if we can't stop this ballot referendum, is actually less gerrymandered than the current Texas. Are the more gerrymandered than the current Texas map. So of course there's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, hang on. But hang on. I want to go through and make sure people take your number two principle out. California has the largest congressional delegation at 52 seats. Right now. It's 43 Democrats and nine Republicans. Am I correct in that simple math, sir? And the vote percentage in California for Republicans is around 38, 40%. What's the percentage of 40%? 40%. They are going to a map, folks, because this is how they play. They play smash mouth. And I admire the fact that they play smash mouth and they don't care. Newsom will look at right now. These guys look at you right now. I ain't lied to you. They're going to a map that's 48 seats and four for Republicans in a state that's the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world that has 40% of the vote are Republican votes. You're going to have a congressional delegation as 48 Democrats to four Republicans. Is that correct, sir?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, that's right. That's why, obviously that is sort of a pretty key battleground for us. And I don't think that's a lost cause. I think it's going to be actually a very tight race. I think a lot of people are looking at this and I think it really would actually kill Newsom's presidential campaign there. So as we like to say, you better kill him in the cradle. Of course, politically speaking, that's sort of an important term for operatives that you want to kind of end something. You can, you have the opportunity to maybe end it right there. Right. And spend what we can on the front end and not deal with this.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If we, if, if we end that, by the way, we're going to develop this topic because the big issue is going to be President Trump's involvement. Right. Because it's tons of MAGA out in California. There's more MAGA in California, I think, than any other state in the union. Right. It's just that they're overwhelmed.

[Carol Markowitz]

Millions of Democrats.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Millions, millions. Hardcore Californians. We love you. I was out there for 20 years plus. Amazing. So Texas is five now, maybe another three. We're hurtling towards California having five. Let's just. We're not going to assume they pick it up, but that's going to be on the. On the debit side. Potential debit side. Where else? Florida is five. And what is the process for Florida one is DeSantis and the team. We've kind of seen a rough cut of the map. When did they actually get rolling on executing on this? Because we got to do it because you got primaries next year. You got to get these districts sorted so people know who in the hell's running and where they're running. So where are we going?

[Alex DeGrasse]

I'm hoping that they move. I don't have an update on that one. It's on my list to kind of hammer through. And I think you're exactly right, Steve. You know, sort of the clock is ticking here. We see obviously the progress in Missouri. They've already voted, at least in the lower.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on, hang on, hang on. When Alex. Hang on. When Alistair Grass says I we're hoping they move. I thought we had moved this beyond hope to actually intent. And it's just logistics. Are you saying there may be. Because remember, folks, let's go back in time until Alex Double Grass got involved and the Warren posse got involved in Florida. Tallahassee made the deals. Here's the reason. In these state capitals. Yeah. They're concerned about Congress and the balance of power. They got it. But they're more important. They're more about cutting their own deals in the states. And what had happened in Tallahassee before you got involved. Right. We had a map that basically didn't even start to get redistricting. Right. Why? All the Republicans with the Democrats had cut deals in Tallahassee that were right for them as far as state reps and what they're doing. But it didn't. It was when we got involved and exposed it that things started to change. Is this the current situation? We have that the Tallahassee. Because Tallah Nasty is one of the most corrupt state capitals in our beloved republic. Right. Because those, those brothers roll hard down there. Right. And they don't like, they don't like people sticking their nose in their business. So what do you mean, hopefully? Alex DeGrasse well, I'm just not going.

[Alex DeGrasse]

To give anyone credit until we start seeing, you know, official progress through the legislative chambers. I mean, I am hopeful. I know that people are talking about it. I know the governor has said it. But, you know, people say all types of things, Steve. I mean, Mag has been burned. That list is long, of course. And so, again, hopeful. I mean, it sounds like they're moving, but nothing has happened officially that I'm aware of. And so I just don't want to say false information, obviously, on the show and get people. But we have to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We'Ll get on. That's where I'm putting that on the list right now as an item. Now, Missouri, the great state with two great senators, I'm telling you, pure MAGA. They are still leaving a district I believe, in St. Louis unreconstructed, unredistricted. So Missouri will actually have one right now. They will have one Democratic seat.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah. So they have two currently. And the map that's progressed through, I think either the state House, the state Senate, I forget which one had just voted yesterday. And they'll pick up one seat there. And the current push, certainly based on maps I've seen, you could have done too. But. So that's kind of what you're talking about where I think there's stuff on the table, of course. And you, you take a step back, you look at, you know, obviously Massachusetts, you look at Connecticut, where they don't, they don't leave anything on the table, Steve we don't have a single Republican.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hold it. All of New England, you're a young lad from New England. New England, which is what, six states? Six states, 25. It's 25 to nothing, isn't it? All of New England aggregated is about 40% votes, 40% Republican, roughly. Alex.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, that's right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

25 delegates, 25 congressmen, not one Republican. Correct. In the entire New England. Correct.

[Alex DeGrasse]

That's correct. That's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They don't leave anything in the. They don't leave. That is in your face, that is. How illegal is that? You have 40% of people in broader New England vote Republican, no seats. Alistair Grass is going to stick with us. It's maximalist Tuesday in the war room. Back in a moment.

[Carol Markowitz]

Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Ham. Hi. And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a long time, long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane. That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity. We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling, and with a healthy dose of humor. We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously. So if you're into common sense, sanity, and some occasional sass, you're our kind of people. Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday and Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. I want to get ready and play the. So we're really excited about Friday and Saturday up in the greater New York area, by the way. You've got some experience there, Degrasse, don't you? This place is like the ma. It's MAGA Thunderdome. Correct? This is like MAGA Central up in Long Island.

[Alex DeGrasse]

It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. I've traveled the country, Steve. I've been to 35 states in a political capacity, campaigning. And whether it be on the trail supporting President Trump or in the House majority, the America First Warehouse is the real deal. I mean, this stuff is the most hardcore of the hardcores. And it is. I'm pumped that you're gonna be able to go there. I've spent some time there with Elise. These guys are. These guys take everything that we talk about to the. To the true maximalists. I mean, they've got a pack that they had set up, you know, to support local candidates. They're chipping in small dollars, coordinating their resources. They've done the precinct strategy. They've been out there hammering on the doors. They've been out there supporting local candidates, focusing obviously on the House majority, you know, supporting maybe people that they, you know, aren't super excited at face value, but they know that, you know, the majority on the line, and they're out there hammering, putting the good of everything ahead. And these guys, they do the parades. You've seen the Trump parades. I mean. I mean, Steve, you're. Tell you right now, you're gonna have hundreds of people outside in the parking lot. You're gonna have hundreds of people inside. My family's out there food shopping in Connecticut hour, 45 minutes away. You've got minivans, you've got these huge Trump things. They're handing out flyers that you're coming to town. That's how I knew you were coming to even talk to you last night. This thing is gonna be Massive. If you're in Long island or if you're in downstate New York, get out there. You know, people are excited. Hopefully Rudy's there. People have mentioned that. I'm not sure if he is or isn't, but I know he is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Now we're working to get the, given his injury from the accident, we're working to get Rudy and a couple other surprise guests there to make it. We're so excited. It's Friday and Saturday and tickets are flying off. I mean Friday's almost sold out, Saturday's getting close. We want to make sure we got room for everybody. So go check it out today we'll play a thing. But this is why we're so excited to kick off, really. We're going to start taking the show on the road more to kick this off that I've always been told that this is like the railhead of the. And what I love about it, you're inside the wire, right? Because New York State President Trump can, he keeps saying, hey, I can win New York City, I can win New York State. He is so maniacally focused on that. And at the time you have Mamdani and this is what I keep saying. The existential threat to Israel ain't out of Tehran. The existential threat to Israel is going to come in November. I mean Degrasse you with Stefanik, you know, New York politics, New York City politics, this kid, I'm telling you, once they take power, they're not going to turn it back over. These are hardcore radicals. This is the Red Green Alliance. It's neo Marxism and jihadism. He's the Siddiq Khan of. He's a happier clappier Siddiq Khan De Grasse. And you've seen what's happened in London.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, no, I mean it's, I mean this guy, you know, he's sort of a, I mean that's exactly right, Steve. You look at the parents, you look at the funding, you spoke about it earlier, you know, money coming in from all types of very concerted. You see people who, I think the New York Post did kind of a deep dive on his like inner circle. I mean it's hardcore Marxist, 30 year old, 25 year old kids that have no idea what they're doing tied in with Muslim Brotherhood, this, that, this communist green energy thing. I mean this stuff is bizarre obviously. But the reality is that they're gaining strength. They're registering voters, they're trying to co opt our message on affordability, on everything else. Right. He's trying to pivot. I see a New York Times article out that many of the financial elites are bending the knee. And that's the problem, Steve. I mean these people, these elites, these sort of business titans, I mean, just time and time again, instead of sort of standing up and fighting and supporting, maybe the longer term play with MAGA is that they're bending the knee and trying to play ball. Of course they feel like they need to and that's what makes things really hard for us, obviously. So he's trying to rebrand. Oh, I'm not going to defund the police. Oh, this, that. But the reality is this stuff is really radical and dangerous. And you look at the DSA sort of platform where he comes from. I mean, this stuff is the hardcore of the hard cores. It's even much further than even his own positions. And he's refusing to denounce the them. I mean, he just said he wants to get rid of the gang database for the nypd. I mean this stuff is like they're on a mission to dismantle the American values and you know, civil society that we hold dear. Much as like what's happened in obviously Europe. So I agree with what you've been saying on the show 10 years that we go down that route in New York. That's a lost cause. That's why the America first warehouse is huge, Steve. I mean I was over there in 2021, some of the dark days, right, when, when the list of folks that were in the trenches was really like the posse and then a few others.

[Carol Markowitz]

Right.

[Alex DeGrasse]

It was tough years obviously. And they had the Trump 2024 flag, like January 7, 2021, it was.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They're so hardcore. But that's what you need.

[Alex DeGrasse]

No, that's right. And what's amazing is just like California, millions of MAGA are in New York and I think people are concerned. I think, you know, it's going to be a cluster, but we'll have to rebuild and really kind of rethink how we do things to fight back. Because I think the current model is not necessarily working with, with this guy out there with this, you know, and look, and China is behind him too. And we're talking about the green lines and, and red. I mean, specifically the ccp.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes, the neo Marxist communist with, with the radical jihad. It's the, it's the pact they make all over the world. They've made it in Europe 100%. The CCP is involved in the Muslim Brotherhood. He's got money. I told the big. So they called a Bunch of big donors called me up after because I had predicted, hey, this guy is going to win the primary, right? And I talked to a bunch of them beforehand. They said, no, no, no, no. You really don't know New York City. Cuomo's got all the money. He's got the New York Times endorsement. You know, they're living in. I said. I said, cuomo is like the character in the John Ford movie. Spencer Tracy played a guy, Frank Skeffington, who was really. I think James Michael was curly. The mayor of Boston that got defeated in the last hurrah. He hadn't realized politics had passed him by when he ran again. That's Cuomo. Cuomo's running a punch by the numbers campaign. And I told these guys, when we're up there, I said, you cannot beat this kid conventionally. You're all talking about getting a couple of guys to the races, which is not going to happen. Sleep has got nothing else to do. He's sticking. Mayor Adams, you know, the only black mayor in history has, in New York City history, lost a second term. Adams is in, right? As he said the other day. And Cuomo is just sucking up the money. But phone it in. And I told them to their face, all of you, you're not prepared to fight unconventionally because you don't have the balls to want to win. And guess what? Each one of you is going to bend the knee to this guy, and you're going to bend the knee just like the aristocracy. Some of the aristocracy in France bent the knee to the revolution. It don't matter. They still are going to pull the guillotine out. This is what's happening in New York City with the elites. You see how gutless. Not just gutless, but how feckless, hapless they are and how they're so easily terrified. It's a great lesson, folks. A great lesson. You're either in the warrior class or you're a wimp. And what you're seeing in New York City, I don't care how much money you got, you just wimps. You're going to pay the price. Stick around, Alistair Grass. Mark Mitchell's got some polling going to shock you. Christina Bobb on a victory in Michigan. Christina Bobb is in the war room. Back in a moment.

[Carol Markowitz]

You want smart political talk without the meltdowns? We got you. I'm Carol Markowitz. And I'm Mary Kathryn Ham. We've been around the block in media, and we're doing things different. Normally is about real conversations, thoughtful try to be funny, grounded and no panic. We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day. Join us every Tuesday and Thursday Normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.