THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. #4828)

Summary

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. #4828)

Date: October 4, 2025
Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a sweeping, combative discussion of America’s current global military posture, immigration policy, and threats to American sovereignty, all through the lens of ‘America First’ populist-nationalist thought. Host Steve Bannon is joined by Kurt Mills, Mark Krikorian (Center for Immigration Studies), and other guests to dig into the Ukraine conflict, a dramatic Supreme Court immigration decision concerning Venezuelans, the shift towards active U.S. military involvement in the Western Hemisphere—especially Venezuela—and the political intrigue in Israel. The episode sets the stage for a special broadcast on US Navy power and America’s defense doctrine.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shifting U.S. National Security Paradigm

[00:06–03:55]

• Bannon kicks off with a fiery indictment of the U.S. establishment and mainstream media, framing the show as a bulwark against both.
• He argues there’s a "fundamental, serious shift" underway in U.S. geopolitics:
  • Away from neoconservatism in the Middle East,
  • Towards a more aggressive, interventionist posture, especially against China.
• Ukraine as the New Flashpoint:
  • The U.S. is being "inexorably sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War" (Bannon, [04:40]).
  • Bannon details the evolution from aide to direct combatant—pointing to advanced weapons deliveries and covert U.S./UK operations in Europe.
  • Massive casualty figures in Ukraine (estimated at 1.8 million Ukrainians dead or wounded) underscore the intensity and stakes, but mainstream media now avoid the gory details.
• Quote:

  “We are getting inexorably sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War.”
  —Steve Bannon ([04:56])

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2. Russia’s Civilizational Pivot and Geopolitical Realignment

Kurt Mills Analysis [06:25–11:54]

• Russia disengaging from Europe:
  • Kurt Mills highlights Putin's speech at the Valdai Club, stressing Russia sees itself as a separate civilization and is “done with the Europeans.”
  • Russia’s orientation is Eurasian, not European; more aligned with China pragmatically but with lingering distrust.
• Eurasianism as ideology (influenced by Dugin), and speculation about the possibility of Russia taking a more combative stance toward NATO, or just withdrawing from Europe altogether.
• Quote:

  “They are not going to work with the Europeans... they will work with the Americans or the Chinese... but they don’t trust them.”
  —Kurt Mills ([06:56])

• Russia is ultimately a “lone wolf” in global geopolitics, but the U.S. could “work pragmatically with them”—if U.S. leaders act in America’s interests.

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3. Supreme Court Ruling on Venezuelan TPS & U.S. Immigration Policy

Mark Krikorian Segment [11:54–21:18]

• The Supreme Court upheld President Trump’s authority to end Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for Venezuelans—potentially affecting 600,000 people.
  • The original intent of TPS was short-term humanitarian protection; Biden “abused” this, according to Krikorian, to regularize illegal immigrants.
• Krikorian predicts most affected are unlikely to be deported, but will lose legal status and work permits—some may return to third countries in South America.
• Quote:

  “Trump gets to tell these illegal immigrants the party’s over and they need to leave.”
  —Mark Krikorian ([14:13])

• Nine months into Trump’s second term:
  • Over 2 million illegal immigrants have left, immigration levels are declining, but Krikorian calls for more workplace enforcement and deportation of all unauthorized immigrants, not just criminals.

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4. US Military Posture and Potential Conflict in Venezuela

[21:54–30:28]

• Deployment Off Venezuela:
  • An Amphibious Ready Group with 4,000 Marines is off Venezuela's coast; plan leaks indicate consideration of taking ports and transportation nodes—a potential invasion.
  • Bannon and Mills debate the wisdom of this approach versus encouraging self-deportation or negotiation.
• Risks of Intervention:
  • Mills: Past efforts at regime change (like Guaido) failed; warns Venezuela could become "another Ukraine" for the U.S., driving massive refugee flows and inviting interference by US adversaries (China, Russia, Iran).
  • The need to avoid the “Iraq war” logic and escalation traps.
• Quote:

  “If you break it, you buy it, and you will see tons of people flowing over.”
  —Kurt Mills ([24:55])

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5. Hemispheric Defense & The Monroe Doctrine 2.0

[28:24–30:28]

• Renewed focus on the “Monroe Doctrine”—U.S. dominance of the hemisphere as a traditional core strategy.
• Concern that aggressive U.S. intervention could backfire, producing a “Ukraine” in the U.S. backyard, with massive destabilization.
• The need for prudence, gradual accommodation, and prioritizing U.S. interests.

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6. Israeli Politics and Netanyahu’s Precarious Position

[30:28–33:32]

• Comparison to Churchill:
  • Netanyahu, like WWII-era Churchill, is a giant with “invincibly precarious” support—needs war and instability to retain power.
  • An Israeli election could see him replaced by a more “stable” conservative like Naftali Bennett, which would have complex consequences for U.S.-Israel relations.
• Quote:

  “Netanyahu at this point needs the instability. He needs the crisis. It’s almost a sort of gormless desire for chaos. Chaos is how he stays in the mix.”
  —Kurt Mills ([33:19])

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7. Escalating U.S. Action Against Non-State Cartels & Asymmetric Warfare

Taj Gill Segment [35:35–38:38]

• Targets Beyond States:
  • The Trump administration frames new U.S. kinetic activity as actions against non-state actors (cartels, Antifa), not states like Venezuela.
• Operational Scenarios:
  • Gill outlines two likely approaches:
    • Special Forces raids working with locals (limited, targeted strikes).
    • Larger-scale seizure of ports and transport hubs (“small scale invasion”), which would require occupation and defense: “That’s a whole different ball of wax.”
• Acknowledges risk of cartel reprisals inside the U.S., but downplays likelihood of large-scale domestic terror attacks.

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8. Upcoming Programming & Focus on U.S. Naval Strength

[39:14–end]

• Bannon previews a special live event commemorating the U.S. Navy’s 250th birthday (with President Trump aboard a carrier), promising a display of U.S. military strength and national security dialogue focused on “hemispheric defense” and great power competition.
• Reaffirms the episode’s overarching narrative: the U.S. is standing at an inflection point—threatened by external adversaries, challenged by domestic disorder, and grappling with the limits of interventionism.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Time | Speaker (Initial) | Quote | |----------|-------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:56 | B (Bannon) | “We are getting inexorably sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War.” | | 06:56 | A (Kurt Mills) | “They are not going to work with the Europeans... they will work with the Americans or the Chinese...but they don’t trust them.” | | 14:13 | C (Mark Krikorian)| “Trump gets to tell these illegal immigrants the party’s over and they need to leave.” | | 24:55 | A (Kurt Mills) | “If you break it, you buy it, and you will see tons of people flowing over.” | | 33:19 | A (Kurt Mills) | “Netanyahu at this point needs the instability. He needs the crisis. It’s almost a sort of gormless desire for chaos. Chaos is how he stays in the mix.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Ukraine’s shifting battlefield & U.S. role: [03:00–06:25]
• Russia’s pivot and Valdai Club insights: [06:25–11:54]
• Supreme Court on Venezuelan immigration: [11:54–19:28]
• Venezuela, military escalation, hemispheric defense: [21:54–30:28]
• Israeli politics, Netanyahu vs. Bennett: [30:28–33:32]
• Cartel warfare & asymmetric threats: [35:35–38:38]
• Programming note: Navy 250th commemoration: [39:14–41:05]

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Pugnacious, urgent, unapologetically nationalist
• Frequent references to history (“World War I”, “Monroe Doctrine”) and warnings about repeating past mistakes
• Skepticism toward interventionism yet dissatisfaction with perceived weakness against adversaries (esp. China, Russia)
• Implicit and explicit framing of Trump as uniquely assertive, decisive, and deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize ([03:12])
• Regular, spirited sparring between nationalist, conservative, and non-interventionist perspectives

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode of The War Room is a dense, provocative survey of America’s looming conflicts abroad and at home—offering fierce critiques of the Biden administration, the mainstream media, and establishment national security orthodoxy. Through sharp debate and historical analogies, Steve Bannon and his guests examine why and how America’s wars, border crises, and alliances are shifting, and what it means for U.S. sovereignty and power in an unstable world. The discussion mixes alarm over potential “World War III” scenarios in Ukraine and Venezuela with calls for assertive—but prudent—U.S. leadership, all while keeping a wary eye on the risks of overreach and hubris.

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For more, listen to key timestamped sections above to hear extended analysis on each issue from the principal guests and Bannon.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's a Saturday for October year overlord 2025. I've asked Kurt Mills and Kurt, I'm going to intrude upon you to stick. And we're going to talk about Ukraine. Then we'll Mark Kirkorian in. Mark's going to give us an update on a really a stunning decision yesterday, the Supreme Court about Venezuela. And then when we go through that, I want you to stick around because I do want to talk about Venezuela. And it looks like approaching American kinetic activity there, including seizing seaports and transportation nodes by the United States military. We'll get into that in a second. I think it's very important. Fred Fleitz is looked at as kind of the he was chief of staff under President Trump's first term for the National Security Council. He's looked at that traditional bedrock of Republican thinking about national security. And I think it shows you that we're having a shift, a fundamental, serious shift in the way we think about geopolitics. Now. I am much more aggressive and I would almost say interventionist when it comes against the Chinese Communist Party. I've been accused of by the great Darren Beatty, my close friend and colleague, and Kurt Mills and other people I'm very close to of finding a CCP member under every bed. But there's a shift. That shift is a geopolitical and national security thought process that's shifting radically. And you can see it in Fred in the situation in the Ukraine. So I want to get you in here, Kurt, and to see that, quite frankly, you two guys are not that far apart really on the, on the Middle east, although I think a lot of the old hands are like Fred, having got a lot of scars from the Middle east over the last 20 or 30 years and don't like Hamas and I keep saying Hamas has a history, as these terrorist organizations do, of being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And Fred puts it at 10%, you put it at 50%. I think the president will put it higher. Right. I think he feels Witkoff going there, they'll hammer out some deal and he'll just, he'll do his force of will. It's one of the reasons, I think, more than any person in living memory, he deserves, you know, be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because he is a man of peace. What is it? This will make it seven or eight wars, something extraordinary. But at the same time, and I think President Trump, he says it publicly, he says, look, I'm very frustrated about Ukraine. I thought I could do it easier, I thought I could do it quicker. I thought I had a better relationship with Putin. He's, he's. He talks about this all the time. And so Fred's nailed something you and I have talked about for a couple of years here in this Ukraine situation. America, like we were in Israel in the, in the 12 Day War. We were a combatant in that war. I kept telling people, when you send Aegis cruisers there and you start doing defense target acquisition, and when you've got, you're sending Thaad missiles over on the defensive side, you're a combatant. When you go do the expeditionary force hit by our bombers, on the total obliteration. But at the same time, folks, you got 1970s technology and tomahawk missiles coming out of fast attack submarines in the North Arabian Sea, a place as a young naval officer, I was in, like, late 1979, early 1980. Okay, you're back to being a combatant in the war. And right now, Kurt, what happened in V. Spaden, and people understand the CIA and military intelligence, DIA be running a big deal out of Germany with the Brits and with others. Fred's right. When you start having loose talk and Zelensky's making comments about I need Tomahawks, I need patriots, and oh, by the way, President Trump, I think he said, not approved, but basically signed off on, was acknowledged, knew in advance of the deep strike into Russia, what, three or four months ago with the drones, something that Curtis LeMay couldn't even fantasize about. We are getting inexorably sucked into the kinetic part of the Third World War. And let me just remind everybody, because nobody talks about this enough. If you go from September 1st of 1939, the invasion of Poland to June 21st of 1941, the Wehrmacht's invasion of Russia with Operation Barbarossa. If you take that timeframe and you look at the killing that really initiated the European war, part of the Second World War, it pales in comparison to the casualties. President Trump said that they finally gave you the number. I think it's 1.8 million from intelligence sources. And the President said, hey, I'm giving you inside baseball, 1.8 million Ukrainians dead or wounded and over a million Russians, I think dead. So you're talking a scale of 2 and a half, 3 over million casualties just in Ukraine right now. And one of the reasons you don't see, like, MSNBC putting up footage every night like they did in the first days of the war, this is like World War I's Western Front. There's been 650,000 Ukrainian casualties this year. And tell me how much MSNBC or CNN has shown you. Like, nothing because it's too brutal. So, Kurt, I'm very concerned that with President Trump focused on all this other stuff we are getting sucked into, and by the way, the hawks in the arms industry in the Pentagon, and of course, the. The insane Lindsey Grahams, and these people want us. They want us. They want us in a basic kinetic war with Russia right now. So what's your, what's your concern or observations about this Ukraine situation, sir?

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Yeah, still reeling from agreeing so much with Fred Flights on Ukraine. That's not just anybody you had just there. He was, of course, John Bolton's former chief of staff and this sort of wartime consigliere to General Keith Kellogg, who of course remains a special envoy on this whole theater. So if that kind of thinking is ascended among the hawk camp, that's pretty encouraging. I think that the Tomahawk idea needs to be, you know, totally ruled out. Something that you haven't mentioned on this show is that President Putin, the czar, had his big party this week, which is the Valdai Club meeting in Russia, and he made it pretty clear. And this is the sort of language that I think people from Russia have been saying both overtly and behind the scenes, that they're done with the Europeans they had seen. They see themselves as a civilization apart. They see themselves as doing something different from the west and that they are not going to work with the Europeans, who they think are basically histrionic and outdated in their thinking. They will work with the Americans. The Americans. I think this is also something we've also discussed, is because there's no real love lost between them and the Chinese, they will work with the Chinese. They are more in line with The Chinese now, but they don't trust them. Russia has a border with. A massive border with China, not with the US and so there's an opportunity, and people can say it's sort of pie in the sky.

[B]

Hang on one second. But hang on one second, because you're hitting a absolutely critical point. Since the time of what Catherine the Great or Peter the Great, the Russian czars have tried to. And this is why the capital was moved to St. Petersburg, have tried to make, and make the case that they're actually a European nation and try to integrate into. Into Europe. And this is one of the reasons for the first and Second World War. Dugin, who's kind of the overall geopolitical philosopher and theoretician, has made this case for years that this. This Eurasian. That they're actually a Eurasian power. And the more. And that Europe is walking away from Christianity. It's a failed society. It's had. It's going to be. The Islamization is only going to take over and kind of the camp of the saints, the elites are too feckless to actually save their own countries. And so why would we want. It's a civilization that's dying. Why would we want to be a part of it? We're actually a Eurasian power. And they make this very elaborate, you know, pitch about how their Eurasian power, and I agree with you, not with the Chinese Communist Party, but down, even through Persia and that part of that part of Eurasia all the way to the Arabian Sea. Are you saying in this latest meeting that. That you think that. That. Because if that's now their new policy, that's a major. That's a major pivot. And I think that would raise the possibility of Russia potentially having an armed conflict with Europe. I think. I think their belief is that when all the European clowns came to President Trump's, the Oval Office and came out and they really had no commitments on security, they had no money to put up, they have no arms, no troops, and the people have no political will to do it. They kind of clown themselves. Are you saying now because of the embrace of the Eurasian strategy, it would make Russia more open to actually armed conflict against NATO? Or are you saying they're just walking away from the whole thing?

[A]

I think it's unclear. The person you cited, Dugan, is not just some rando. This is. I don't. I think his relationships with Putin are probably slightly overstated. But they know that he has a massive profile, and then, you know, he's pumping out all this philosophical conjecture all the time. And to an extent, I think he represents the vanguard of the Russian state and the Russian project. I think that's an interesting comparison he made with World War I. And a lot of ways the situation has reversed because I was in meetings in Brussels in June and to hear some of these, these are not low ranking people that I was talking to. Here's some of these Europeans, they were just one more arms shipment away from, you know, taking out Putin in Moscow. That's the cast of mind in Europe and versus the Russians think that this war is going just fine to an extent. Parts of Russia, Russian society fears demobilization, fears the end of the war. So these sides are very far apart as to Russia's orientation to the rest of the world. I mean a, they have a lot of strong relations within the global south, but in general, I would say geopolitically, they are a lone wolf. Lone wolf can be good or bad, but they have nuclear weapons. They're a proud civilization, 11 time zones. And I think it's incumbent upon the United States to work pragmatically with them. They're not going anywhere. And I think what was very interesting about Putin, it's been well observed, his interviews with Carlson, et cetera, is how sort of melancholic and preoccupied with history is. He talked again this week about the collapse after the Cold War and he sort of signaled all this thinking in the early 90s. None of it came to anything, this sort of Fukuyama fantasy about the nations getting along. It didn't happen. This is a realist. This is a stone cold hearted man, no doubt. But as somebody, I think fundamentally the United States can do business with if it prioritizes its own national interests as opposed to the endless indulgence of histrionic Europeans.

[B]

You hang over a second, I want to hold you. Mark Kirkourian joins us. Mark, a pretty massive ruling from the Supreme Court yesterday. Can you walk the audience through what the ruling was and what this massive impact is going to be, sir?

[C]

Sure. Biden, when he took over, we all know, started just letting pretty much anybody in, Venezuelans especially. There had not been many Venezuelans coming across the border before. But he sort of invited them and so they came in the hundreds of thousands. And then he used something called Temporary Protected Status tps. It's in the law, but as the name suggests, it's supposed to be a temporary thing for when there's an earthquake or a volcano and we can't send people home right away. What it does is it gives these illegal immigrants Social Security numbers, work permits, they can't get deported. And Biden just kept renewing it. And in fact, the most recent renewal was literally a week and a half before the end of the administration. They were on the way out, they were trying to lock these illegal immigrants into the country. And President Trump said, yeah, okay, well, according to the law, the conditions don't warrant this special, essentially temporary amnesty. And so we're pulling the plug on it. And as you can imagine, you know, the usual suspects went to district court in San Francisco and the judges there just said, oh yeah, that's right, it's mean to do that. So we're not going to let you do it. Supreme Court. Now this just recently, this was the second time they slapped down a lower court and have said, look, the law says the president can do this. It's called temporary and he's ending it. And so this is a big deal because up to 600,000 or more Venezuelan illegal aliens led in by Biden will lose their work permits, lose their ability to stay. And the issue is not so much that they're all going to be rounded up and deported, but that they are going to be. They've clearly been told that you got to go back. And in fact, many, if not most of them never even came from Venezuela. They were already living in Colombia and Ecuador and Peru for years. And they came because, you know, Trump invited, I mean, Biden invited them. And so essentially what the Supreme Court has said, this is the second time they've had to slap down the lower courts. They've said Trump gets to tell these illegal immigrants at the party's over and they need to leave.

[B]

Mark, hang on for one second. I just want to hold you through the break about the implications and why can't we just round them up and send them back? Mark Kakorian from cis, Todd Bensman, as you know, is not with us anymore. Is almost like a co host here for years because he's actually Tom Homan's right hand man now in the government working on these problems as a great representative of cis, just amazing organization. Kurt Mills. Mark Kakorian next in the room. Kill America's Voice family. Are you on Getter yet?

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[C]

Well, it's a couple things. First, don't get in the shooting war. But I'll leave that to Kurt to talk about. But the other thing is a lot of These people came from, like I said, from Colombia, from Peru and Ecuador, and so they can go there. And as far as deporting people, I don't mean self deporting because a lot of people could self deport that way. I mean people we take into custody and, and throw out. The administration now has agreements with a variety of other countries to deport third country nationals there to. I'm pretty sure they have one. They've already finished it with Honduras and they have it with other countries. So some of these people, especially if they're not criminals, the local government will say, well, if they're criminals, maybe we don't want them or you're going to have to pay us more. But if they're just regular working stiffs, sure, we'll take them. So we can deport them or they can deport themselves to a variety of places, including Venezuela. But if not, there's a lot of other places in Latin America that we, they, we can send people or that they can go on their own.

[B]

Overall, because we haven't had you on in a while. Given everything else President Trump's got going, how do you feel right now? And by the way, the whole thing about Antifa and what's happening in Portland a lot in Chicago, in Los Angeles is all about the beginning of the process of mass deportations right now. I understand we've had 2 million, according to Rosemary Jenks. 2 million. We have 2 million illegal aliens or foreign nationals have left the country in the first 250 days of President Trump's second term. But where to CIS? Where do you guys think we stand? And given the severity of this, given the reason that I think most people would say this is why President Trump won the 2024 election, where do you think we stand nine months into this?

[C]

I think we're doing pretty well. Look, there's stuff that I wish extra things that I wish the administration would do, but we are doing pretty well. I mean, that was our research that showed that the total immigrant population has dropped by 2.2 million from January through July. We estimate 1.6 million of them were illegals. And of course, it's October now, so the number's even larger. And we actually have a report coming out next week looking at that number from other angles, and it looks like it's real. A lot of people pooh, poohed it and said, no, no, this is just surveys. What do they know? But it's a real number. The number of immigrants in general and illegals in particular is going down. And that's not hard to believe because there's always churn, even under Biden, some illegals left. The point is fewer are coming in because the borders shut down. There's still people coming in on visas and not leaving, but the number of new illegals is lower and more people are leaving, obviously. And so this is a real thing. The administration's got to keep it up because it can't just be talk and rhetoric and scare people and then not back it up. But they are backing it up. I would like to see more work site enforcement and less talk of just criminals because yes, obviously we want criminals out. That's, you know, you don't get a award for that. But regular illegal immigrants who aren't criminal, I mean aren't, you know, non immigration criminals, just ordinary working people. They need to go too. And I'd like the President to talk a little bit more about that. So I'll give them an A minus but it's definitely an A minus. I mean we are moving clearly in the right direction. And now the administration is taking steps to rein in this H1B issue which I'm sure you've talked about before. This is the supposedly legal immigration of tech workers which is a total scam.

[B]

So scam.

[C]

You know, I'm feeling pretty good about it. Eight months in.

[B]

Corian. If you're feeling pretty good directionally, we're getting there. Where do you go? CIS is magnificent. Give us your, your social media brother. You come in a little hot which is why I want people to follow you.

[C]

Where do you go for the non hot? Go to our website cis.org if you like the snark and sarcasm. I'm on Twitter at Mark S as in Stephen. Mark S. Krikorian.

[B]

We don't like it. We love it. Thank you sir. Thank you for taking Saturday to join us. Appreciate you.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Kurt Mills. So Kurt, we're talking about hemispheric defense. We're going to talk a lot tomorrow on our show about the 250 about a pivot back here to more the Monroe Doctrine from the Arctic Panama Canal. But Latin America sitting out there and somehow we got to get, you know, we got to help get things right. You got Lula, an avid Marxist running Brazil and going to put, he's put Bolsonaro in prison for 27 years where they, where they're going to kill him. No doubt. He's leading the Brics nations gold's on a roll and the central banks are buying gold at record rates because they're trying to Use gold in these bilat deals and get the de dollarization effort is led by lul. I know you libertarians like yourself, all the Koch guys and libertarians, you know, rubbing up on middle age. He's the greatest. Didn't hear that here in the war room. But now, however, you got to save him. You got to save him. Scott Bessant, who's not into bailouts, is giving him a $20 billion bailout. Right. And on top of that little Marco the our Secretary of State who's we try to shift away from being a neocon. I thought we were there. He's got an amphibious ready group off the coast of Venezuela and they're up on Capitol Hill pitching. And this is the first time that the Trump administration, I think has ever acknowledged issues, structural issues or customs and traditions. So they're trying to get ahead of the War Powers act by saying no, no, no, no, no, you've misinterpreted. These are non state actors, these are drug dealers and we're going to do a lot more in just taking out these speedboats. The plan is I think been leaked that they intend to, or at least a plan is to intend to take over the ports and transportation nodes in an actual invasion. Your thoughts, sir?

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Well, the Secretary doesn't appear to be able to give up the old religion. As you are well aware, in the first term, the now Secretary of State was the key interlocutor with the administration selling the new President Trump back in 17, 18, 19 on some of the most harebrained schemes for Latin America. Members of Trump's first team, namely Mr. Bolton and Mr. Pompeo, were very zealous on this. There was a bit of an abortive effort to do that. Everyone remembers the Juan Guaido episode and so there was a lot of hope that this was kind of behind us. There are elements, you know, even members of President Trump's club, this Harry Sargent character, as well as Rick Cornell, who wanted to be Secretary of State by most reporting, who wanted to do a deal basically with Maduro. Maduro is sort of, you know, tin pot dictator in South America, but not necessarily a major threat to US national security. And I think the risks of going in versus going, versus, you know, keeping our powder dry are pretty clear. The Latin America has a lot of problems, South America has a lot of problems. But what it doesn't have historically, and Venezuela is the one exception vis a vis Colombia, which is what it doesn't have, is these massive refugee crises that we saw in the Syrian case. And The Libyan case. And so I think the way to think about Maduro is as maybe a Latino Gaddafi. And what do we learn from the Gaddafi case? What do we learn by not listening to Gaddafi himself? If you break it, you buy it and you will see tons of people flowing over. So I think it is curious and I think he deserves due deference as a sort of expert on this. But you hearing that people like Stephen Miller allied with Marco Rubio for this regime change plan, I think you could be completely counterproductive. And then if we're going to talk about fentanyl, the reality here, and I think there's concerning Iraq war parallels, the reality here is some of these guys are just cooking this up. Fentanyl is not what Venezuela is in the business of. Is there fentanyl in Venezuela? Probably above zero. But Mexico is the fentanyl ground zero.

[B]

The CCP and the Mexican cartels are the fentanyl. Come on, real quickly. I just want to hold you to a quick break. But if you believe in America first and we got in hemispheric defense, the question I want you to answer. We get back. Latin America is a festering sore. You've got a massive problem in Argentina and if you don't somehow intervene, it's going to spin out of control. You've got a huge problem in Brazil and you do have a problem down in Venezuela. So if you do want to argue hemispheric defense and come home and we'll have expeditionary power to do total obliteration on the Eurasian land mass. If we. So at times and places of our choosing, how do you do this? The argument of Marco and I think Stephen Miller is that we got to set things right here in the Western hemisphere. My ass. Kurt Mills that on the other side. Taj Gill's gonna join us. Sponsored by Birch Gold. Text Bannon B A N N O N at 989-898 get the ultimate guide. Do it today. It's a Saturday. Watch football with one eye and read this with the other. Check it out. Get to Philip Patrick in the team to talk about why you should consider putting physical gold into your portfolio. Portfolio short commercial break. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Patriot Mobile. Glenn Sterling the team historical what they've helped us accomplish in Texas, including the five seats we picked up of 21. That's the number. The top number's 21 five in Texas. Got 16 more to go. We're pounding on that starting Monday. We've done the preamble with Degrasse, of course we gotta, that's the gross number. We don't want to net out five in California. So we're gonna be all over the California situation as Newsom has banked his political career on, on winning this referendum and getting, stealing five seats from us and gerrymandering. 972 Patriot call right now. Get a US citizen that will answer all your questions of why it's the best mobile service out there. 972 Patriot. Do it today. Tell them Steve Bannon sent you and you get a free month in transition. Kurt Mills, the question of South America and about if we're going to have a hemispheric defense and enforce the Monroe Doctrine 2.0. You need to sort out the mess down there. But is that just, is this just a new breeding ground for neocon 3.0, sir?

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Oh, it certainly could be. I mean, I think there's some positive tailwinds and some, some terrible headwinds. So I, I think the optimistic news is that the rumored national security strategy coming out of the Pentagon will emphasize hemispheric defense, as you indicated. And I think there's a way to do that that's very grounded in American history. The Monroe Doctrine is not some 20th century invention, not some 21st neoconstoff. The fifth president of the United States enacted it and it has worked very well for the US to be the dominant and unquestioned power in the Americas. And it's not necessarily something, surely not something that I would seek to overturn. The danger though, and we just talked about Russia, Ukraine earlier this morning, the danger is of creating another Ukraine in the US Backyard. President Putin made a mistake in his special military operation. It backfired. It didn't work. He, he's recovering and the Russians have moderated their goals. But imagine an outright invasion of one of our neighbors that becomes a breeding ground for all of our enemies to A, encourage massive refugee flows and B, just muck it up. I think we saw elements of this in June with the Iran crisis. These reports are very, very sort of loosely sourced, but there was indications that the Chinese were, were planning to do some stuff if the war had dragged on, if it had become a regime change war. I'm not at all convinced anymore that Xi Jinping is necessarily going to invade Taiwan. But if he sees his opportunity, it's like anything in life, like with any gambler. If he sees the US Mired in a war in Ukraine and then opening up a new front in Venezuela, I think you could see all kinds of intervention. And there's all kinds of Russian, Chinese and even yeah Iranian and Lebanese money coming in there. And it's, it could be a real risk for us. We there's a way to do this, be moderate, be pragmatic, you know, slowly move the Maduro people towards a more reasonable accommodation with the United States and avoid bloodshed.

[B]

Let's paper. But I just want to get you on Israel before you punch. I got a lot to say about the the national new national defense policies coming out. I think it's way too weak on the CCP and Taiwan and all that. But we'll bridge Kobe and the guys are working on have you back on. Maybe we'll get you on tomorrow during our naval thing and talk about the geopolitics and the strategy. But back to Netanyahu. People don't remember. Most people don't know or have not never learned or forgotten that Churchill, for all the things he's lionized in the west and the greatest course I understand Tucker and guys have a different perspective, but let's say he's one of the great leaders of the west in the 20th century of Christendom for all the years in the wilderness and coming and warn about the Nazis and and actually keeping FDR focus and being one of the key architects of victory. No doubt about that. The Germans surrendered on the 8th of May 1945. I believe it was mid July of 1945. Just about 60 days later they called an election and Winston Churchill was turfed out before the surrender of Japan, of which obviously the British Empire was a major part of that. Is Netanyahu in the same situation and his calculations all about his political viability? Are they thinking right now in Jerusalem and thinking through are they gaming out how he can continue to hold power or end up being like Churchill?

[A]

Yeah, I remember there's a cover piece a year or two ago in the Claremont Review books, my friends over there, that it was by Andrew Roberts, the great sort of Churchill stenographer who called Netanyahu the Churchill of the Middle East. He meant it as a compliment. I think it's more of an accurate statement of fact, which is that Netanyahu, while the towering figure of a quarter century of Israeli politics, is also an invincibly precarious one. And if there is no war, there could be no power for Netanyahu. We don't know. His position is certainly stronger and he was definitely underrated after the October 7 attacks. But an election is really dicey. And you mentioned the Churchill situation. He lost to a rival and not quite as towering but still a significant figure in British politics. Clement Attlee, who had been the leader of the opposition before the war, had been leader of the labor party into the 30s. Naftali Bennett, Netanyahu's protege turned rival, has already been prime minister, and he could easily sell himself as a safer conservative pair of hands that will just turn down the temperature a little bit for a couple of years in Israel. I'm not. I'm sure the White House and Trump will have problems with Netanyahu, and I think Americans will have problems. Sorry, will have problems with Bennett. And I think there's reason to be concerned about Bennett. I have no love lost for him, but this is a far more stable figure. Netanyahu at this point needs the instability. He needs the crisis. It's almost a sort of gormless desire for chaos. Chaos is how he stays in the mix.

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Kurt, where do people get your social media and where they get you over.

[A]

The American Conservative www.the americanconservative.com 2002 Founded by Pat Buchanan, Scott McConnell and Taki against the Iraq war. And my own stuff is at Curt Mills at Curt M I L L s on X and you know, the Internet.

[B]

So I think I'm pretty safe in saying the Israel first crowd, you're their number one. They hate you probably more than anybody. Right? I mean, they talk about Tucker and Anson, but you're kind of the. The brains of the operation on the opposition. So the smart guys hate you more than even Tucker. Am I right in saying that?

[A]

Oh, I think it's a friendly disagreement.

[B]

Kurt Mills, thank you for joining us, sir. Appreciate you. So Taj Gill, President Trump's team went up to Capitol Hill to kind of get a workaround on the War Powers act, which, by the way, I think the War Powers act is totally unconstitutional. We ought to try to push that to make sure we can get some just like the electoral count of 1887, which is, I think, a great document. And we played by the rules in the election in 2020 was illegal, but I also think that that has certain unconstitutional prov. And particularly what they've done to it recently. And he said we're not, they said we're not going to war with Venezuela, we're not going to war with Mexico, we're not going to war in Central America. We're going to war against non. And they said we're actually at war with non state actors. These, these cartels. And of course, President Trump has declared antifa a terrorist organization. And now you got the US Army, I don't know, talking about the 82nd Airborne or, or others going actually be deployed to Portland. Asymmetric warfare. How dangerous is this situation in Venezuela and how quickly do you think it can be sorted out? If we go asymmetric actual kinetic war against these drug cartels, sir.

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It can get very dangerous, but we'll see. You know, we took down Pablo Escobar and there was not a lot of repercussions for that. Everybody said if we bombed Iran, there's going to be World War iii. That didn't happen. So I think the, the threat I was on the table, it needs to be realized and we need to plan for it because we have, there's cartels and especially in the States where there's legalized marijuana, there's heavy cartel activity. So they have cartel members in the US and you know, it's kind of like having a Al Qaeda sleeper cells. If we start attacking the cartels in Venezuela and Mexico, some people say that they're going to start launching terrorist attacks in the US but that's worst case scenario. We'll see. It might happen, might not. But the, this, I think the safest way to do it is using army special forces. They go in and they work with the locals and attack the cartels that way. And then the more aggressive way to do it is, is going to be the way we did asymmetrical warfare in the global war on terrorism where we're launching direct action missions against these cartels, their supply, land supply lines, their training camps and their personnel. And you know that's going to be flying in the middle. It'll be treated as, I think it would be treated as cross border missions. I doubt we're going to go in and actually set up like forward operating bases in Venezuela or Mexico where the cartels are. It'll be like cross border raids where we go in in the middle of the night, hit a target and then leave by sunrise.

[B]

But hang. But, but it, it has been that there is a plan. I'm not saying they're executing it, but it's a plan that they're considering to see. I mean this is now three or four publications have it where they're thinking of going in and seizing key ports in Venezuela and maybe even transportation nodes, rail lines, rail crossings, etc. That would be a major escalation, right? Even if you're going against non state actors, you're actually physically there with, with troops and material actually on the ground that then have to be defended. Correct?

[E]

Yeah, correct. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, that, that's a whole different story. If we're seizing ports and strategic targets, that's different from striking the cartel personnel supply lines that I was talking about. So I mean, that's basically like a small scale invasion in places. And like you said, once we take those targets, we have to hold them and defend them. So that's a whole different ball of wax. It's, it's, it's, I mean, as you know, it's possible. We, we invade countries all the time, everywhere, all around the world. So we've got the strongest military in the world and the most technological. So it's definitely possible. And I think, I think we can do it without, with, without sustaining minimal casualties just because we have the technology. And then, you know, we're going to get air dominance overnight over there. If we do that. That's, that's the whole thing. If we control the air tas, you're.

[B]

Gonna join us tomorrow. I think we'll control the air instantaneously, right. Not just drones, but combat, Combat air patrol. Taste. You're gonna join us tomorrow for our naval special. Being you were a former, you're a former naval personnel as we refer to as Churchill. Talk to me about. I need a cup of coffee, particularly after the show this morning. I've finished my pot of warpath dark roast. I need to brew another. Tell me where to go to get everything about warpath coffee.

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We've got it may be if we can pull it off and we have to pull it off, obviously. But with what the activity is going to be and the people we brought together, it may be, you know, one of the best we've ever done. I'm really proud of everybody on the team pulling this together. So starting tomorrow, 10:00am Eastern Daylight Time until conclusion probably be 5:00pm But President Trump although going to negotiate in the Red Sea resort in Egypt tomorrow with Ron Dermer, Ambassador Dermer representing Netanyahu in the Israel and Steve Witkoff and I think representatives are cutter some of the Gulf Emirates and the Hamas are going to get there trying to hammer a deal. But President Trump has said 6pm Eastern Daylight Time either in or out. If you're not in, then guns up. You know all hell's going to break loose. So we'll see. We're going to track it overnight and then tomorrow make sure you get me on get her Mike Lindell, brother. This has been an intellectual heavy lift for everybody on the production side of the war room and the audience. What we're looking for now is just practicality of a deal. What do you got for us? What can get the war room's attention on a Saturday morning that's been packed with news and analysis?

[D]

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[B]

Mike, thank you so much. Hopefully we'll see you Tomorrow on our seven hour special around the United States Navy, the 250th commemoration of its birth. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you.

[D]

Thanks, Steve.

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