THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4866)

Summary

Real America’s Voice – The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon (Ep. 4866)

October 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "The War Room" with Stephen K. Bannon focuses on the intensifying national protest movement against President Trump, dubbed the "No Kings" movement, and explores the current landscape of American politics characterized by populism, spiritual rhetoric, and intense battles over institutional power. A significant segment is dedicated to a James O'Keefe undercover exposé on alleged systemic fraud within federal minority contracting programs. Throughout, the hosts and guests frame current events as an existential spiritual and political struggle shaping the future of American democracy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "No Kings" Protest Movement and Political Divide

Timestamps: 02:21–07:40

• Charlie Kirk offers a rundown of "No Kings" protests across the country, emphasizing their widespread nature—even in unexpected areas, from Boston to rural Montana. He draws attention to Trump’s response, positioning the President as antagonistic to popular resistance:
  • “He just had one of the largest days of protest in American history against him in every fricking state...[H]e celebrates the occasion by getting out a backhoe to start tearing down the White House.” (06:56)
• Steve Bannon and others argue that the concentration of presidential power threatens American democracy and that both parties are complicit:
  • “The more you consolidate the power in one person, the less power you have as an individual. The country was not set up to be an all powerful monarchy, but over the last 25 years, you’ve had both parties make government a hell of a lot bigger...” (03:39)
• Several panelists agree that the MAGA wing is pursuing a “might makes right” approach, with some justifying support for Trump even if they disagree with him on free speech and American values:
  • “We have the power. We can never let it up... you need to either stomach what Trump is doing... even though you think it’s wrong... because we need to win. Otherwise, they’re gonna come and get you twice as hard next week.” (06:13)
• The panel discusses how some right-wing podcast personalities (previously MAGA-aligned) are now more vocally critical due to feeling alienated from the movement’s core ("they don’t see themselves as part of that we..." (06:32)).

2. Trump as Spiritual Figure and the "Divine Providence" Theme

Timestamps: 07:40–09:19, 23:09–30:21

• The show enters a satirical, then serious segment, equating Trump not just to a king, but as a religious or almost supernatural figure:
  • “To Republicans, king is a demotion. He’s not a king, he’s a deity sent by God to bring peace to all mankind. A Jesus-like figure.” – Steve Bannon (08:11)
  • “He is an instrument of divine providence... there’s empirical evidence of that. This is one of the reasons people support him, because they understand he’s doing God’s will to save this republic.” (24:28)
• Dave Brat draws on Christian scripture (Romans 13) to provide religious justification for Trump’s authority and mission, casting both the opposition and the resistance as spiritually misguided:
  • “President Trump is clearly providential. He’s not a priest... for the one in authority is God’s servant for your good... the left cannot offer up an alternative worldview...” (26:13, 28:58)
• Brat further argues that progressive deconstruction has eroded love for God, country, and family, but predicts a spiritual resurgence (“there is a rebirth and you can feel it coming. There’s a rebirth of the loves and it’s the return of the strong gods.” (29:15))

3. Political Strategy: Demographics, Redistricting, and Power Consolidation

Timestamps: 09:19–17:17, 32:53–38:15

• Bannon discusses how demographic and electoral shifts favor the right, citing anticipated Supreme Court rulings on gerrymandering and calls for a mid-decade census to exclude “illegal aliens” from apportionment:
  • “At three and a half percent of the population you have a breakout and that’s how you thwart the rise of the authoritarians. But you can tell they’re trying to make this no kings thing into something it’s not, it’s a fail if that’s the best you got...” (13:19)
• He argues Democrats cannot win without non-citizen voters, urging Republican maximalism and labeling the political moment as “spiritual war.”
• Urges aggressive electoral tactics in 2026 including deploying ICE officers to polling places in urban areas to deter and arrest suspected illegal voters (20:00).

Notable Quotes in This Segment:

• Steve Bannon: “The president, I think you’re going to see a big pivot back to domestic issues quite shortly. He’s trying to solve these wars and these problems with China, the economic war there as a domestic concern...” (37:50)

4. James O’Keefe Exposé: Minority Contracting Fraud

Timestamps: 38:15–47:52

• James O'Keefe presents a new undercover investigation alleging widespread fraud in the federal “8(a) Program,” designed to assist minority-owned small businesses:
  • “This 8(a) program designed to help, quote, socially and economically disadvantaged small businesses. Steve, it’s a billion, hundred billion dollar scam that we’ve busted. And now we have the head of the SBA, as of last night, launching an investigation.” (40:25)
• O’Keefe and Bannon illustrate how non-minority entities allegedly exploit rules by serving as nominal contractors but subcontracting the work—and the money—out, violating regulations that require majority of work be performed by the certified firm.
• O’Keefe claims the scam represents at least 5% of the federal deficit, estimates it touches $100 billion in federal spending.

Exemplary Exchange:

• Steve Bannon: "How was this program not gutted?... The deconstruction administrative state. I thought that this was low hanging fruit." (41:17)
• James O’Keefe: "Because everyone’s making money off this. The entire system is basically built on a facade." (42:04)

Investigation Details:

• O’Keefe explains how the investigation was run using undercover meetings, fake websites, and posing as business owners to gather admissions of fraud:
  • “We had to set up a fake website, pose as headhunters, and with our own 8A business... 10 minutes into the conversation, [the manager] admits that her subcontract company, 8A firm, is engaged in fraud.” (45:11)

5. Ongoing Legal Battles & Media Pushback

Timestamps: 47:52–54:43

• O’Keefe details years of legal retaliation he has faced, including litigation, arrest, and house arrest, suggesting that new lawsuits are likely:
  • “They’ve sued me 50 times. They put me in jail. They put me on house arrest for three years. The FBI raided me and I was fired from the company I founded.” (51:31)
• Both stress that the investigation is post-partisan (“I don’t think this is a left or right issue, I think this is about money.” – O’Keefe, 51:31).
• Bannon and O’Keefe together argue this kind of fraud is foundational to funding the political left (“This is how they fund the radical left... like the NGOs, this is how they fund the revolutionary left.” – Bannon, 53:39)

6. Congressional Inaction and Broader Corruption

Timestamps: 54:50–57:15

• Dave Brat bemoans Congress’s inability or unwillingness to address such fraud or engage meaningfully with foreign and fiscal policy:
  • “Trump is carrying the whole load. Congress, you know, Russ vote a couple years back had a $1.5 trillion cut per year…” (55:38)
  • “There’s money laundering going all over the place. Right. There’s $300 billion going over to Ukraine. No audit of that one...” (55:50)
• Brat encourages listeners to pressure their congressmen to focus on oversight and combating dark money.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Steve Bannon:
  • “It’s not a king, it’s a deity sent by God... a Jesus like figure.” (08:11)
  • “The people like in the, the, the War Room Posse... Those people just want to sit at home and watch PBS and old reruns of West Wing and bitch and moan about Trump.” (37:10)
• Charlie Kirk:
  • “Not even fully into his first year in office here, and he just had one of the largest days of protest in American history against him in every fricking state in the country. And so... he celebrates the occasion by... tearing down the White House.” (06:56)
• James O'Keefe:
  • "This is a huge, huge scam... designed to help, quote, socially and economically disadvantaged small businesses. Steve, it’s a ... hundred billion dollar scam that we’ve busted." (40:25)
  • “They’ve sued me 50 times. They put me in jail ... The FBI raided me and I was fired from the company I founded. I mean, I don’t know what their next move is.” (51:31)
• Dave Brat:
  • “President Trump is clearly providential. He’s not a priest... there’s some complexity in understanding the Christian system. But Romans 13 is the classic text...” (26:13)

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Timeline of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | | ----------- | ---------------------------------------------------------- | | 02:21–07:40 | "No Kings" Protests Nationwide, MAGA Movement Analysis | | 07:40–09:19 | Trump’s Alleged Divine Status, Satirical then Serious Tone | | 09:19–17:17 | Electoral Demographics, Republican Strategy | | 23:09–30:21 | Spiritual Framing of Political Battle, Divine Providence | | 38:15–47:52 | James O’Keefe Exposé on SBA/8(a) Program Corruption | | 47:52–54:43 | Legal Battles Facing O’Keefe, Funding of Political Left | | 54:50–57:15 | Congressional Inaction, Broader Governmental Corruption |

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

The tone is urgent, polemical, and often religiously charged, painting current political battles as both pragmatic and spiritual crusades. Trump is depicted as a providential, almost Messianic figure for America’s future, while enemies are cast as both ideological and existential threats.

Listeners unfamiliar with the episode will come away with a sense of how "The War Room" mobilizes its base: by fusing populist grievance, anti-elite sentiment, spiritual language, and investigative storytelling to energize and reinforce their worldview.

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End of Summary

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Maryland. Maryland was a little bit off the hook. The biggest city in the state, Baltimore, of course not only had a huge turnout for no Kings. Again, it's another one of those cities that Trump is threatening to send the military into it that I think helps goose turnout in any city that he's threatening. But Baltimore, simultaneous to its very large no Kings event, also had a huge marathon this weekend that said credit to the city and its public safety and political leadership. Everything seems to have gone off without a hitch in Baltimore. Here's a look at Baltimore and also Townsend, Maryland and Frederick, Maryland. Boston. Come on, look at that again. Not AI, that's a real thing. Look at that crowd in Boston. Boston Mayor Michelle Wu told the huge crowd at the Boston comment that in Boston every day is no Kings Day because duh, it was just huge in Boston. But there were more than 100 no kings protests in little old Massachusetts. It's Michigan also had more than 100 no kings protests this weekend all over the state, including up into the Upper Peninsula. Here's a look at Ann Arbor up in the upper left where they had a huge turnout. Also a really big turnout in Detroit. There's a look at Ferndale, Michigan in the lower left there. And of course our beloved Flint, Michigan in the lower right.

[Steve Bannon]

Let's take it above Trump. Like the reason that people should care is that the more you consolidate the power in one person, the less power you have as an individual. The country was not set up to be an all powerful monarchy, but over the last 25 years you've had both parties make government a hell of a lot bigger and provide a hell of a lot more power to the President. Trump has taken that and he's put it on steroids. We Republicans are gleeful because they have the power. But like you said, they will do unto you what you did to them. You've been in the game longer than I have, Joe, and you know that there's no new power that is ever introduced into politics by one party that is not used and often abused and stretched to new lengths by the next one.

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Head to head, Minneapolis to Boston. This is pretty intense, right? I don't know why I was surprised to see something that huge for no Kings in Minneapolis, but Minneapolis was just gigantic. Here's Minneapolis and also Duluth in the upper left, Anoka, Minnesota and Northfield, Minnesota head from Minnesota down to Mississippi. No Kings protests, not just in College town, Oxford, Mississippi, the home of Ole Miss and in Jackson, where people rallied on the south lawn in the Mississippi State Capitol. But you also saw good turnout and big protests in Hernando, Mississippi. And in spunky little beautiful Gulfport, Mississippi, they got a big crowd. Throngs of people filled and then spilled out of Mill Creek park in Kansas City. So here's a look at Kansas City, Missouri, really was big. And Columbia, Missouri, which was also really big. Springfield, Missouri. Look at that. Both sides of the street. And then up at the upper right hand corner there, that's Jeff City. Jeff City, Jefferson City, the state capital of Missouri. People there on the state capitol steps, numbers in some surprising places. Here's West Yellowstone and Red Lodge, Montana. That's Bozeman. Up in the upper left. Our friends again at State's newsroom report that in Polebrook, which is right on the edge of Glacier national park, they had more people turn out to protest than the actual population of the town. Welcome, visitors. But what the basic premise is is that, yeah, we're never gonna let them take power again. That's why we have to go. That's why we have to play to win. Because right now, the rule of the game is not the rule of law, but might makes right.

[Steve Bannon]

And we have the power. We can never let it up.

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And that is the second part of that sort of thing that they put out there. Some people say, yeah, I don't want it to go to come around again.

[Steve Bannon]

And it's like, yeah.

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And that's why you need to either stomach what Trump is doing, right, why you need to go along with this.

[Steve Bannon]

Stuff, even though you think it's wrong.

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Even though you know it's ridiculous, even though it cuts against you and you believe it in free speech or freedom.

[Steve Bannon]

Or America, because we need to win. Otherwise, they're going to come and get you twice as hard.

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Next, who is the we there? Maga. That's it. It's maga.

[Steve Bannon]

It's largely maga.

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Of the, you know, sort of like the podcast things that align with Trump the last cycle. They don't really see themselves as part of that we.

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Part of MAGA thinks, you know, you know what, we now have made a deal with the devil. We have to go through with it, because if we don't, they're going to come and get us not even fully into his first year in office here. And he just had one of the largest days of protest in American history against him in every fricking state in the country. And so yeah, naturally he celebrates the occasion by getting out of backhoe to start tearing down the White House. He really doesn't want to have to answer to the people. You wouldn't do that if you ever thought you had to. There's a big protest movement now in this country, a big, sustainable, growing, peaceful, fired up protest movement standing against this very unpopular president who is not doing anything to make himself more popular over time while the popular resistance to him just grows and grows and grows.

[Steve Bannon]

About Republicans complaining that he is being.

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Dubbed a king, is that in their.

[Steve Bannon]

Minds he has already surpassed that title anyway and moved on to a much higher calling.

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He's a miracle worker.

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Him for a very long time.

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You know, we're saving Christianity, we're saving God. To Republicans, king is a demotion. He's not a king, he's a deity sent by God to bring peace to all of mankind.

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A Jesus like figure.

[Steve Bannon]

I mean, I get it. There is a lot of crossover. That's why tonight I thought we'd end our program with some fun and play the hottest new game show on basic cable. Jesus or Trump. Bing bong. Alright, here we go. You guys are very good at this game. So if you ask, is Trump a king? Nay, nay. He is the king of kings. And that, my friends, is, is a reason to rejoice. Not like that. This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. Christians. I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.

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I know you don't like hearing that.

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I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's to going, going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish.

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That any of these people had a conscience.

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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band Tuesday 21st October, year of our Lord 2025. In fact, if my great production crew here in the Rachel Maddow, you know, she gets into this thing and I think the next block you and I talked about about 3 1/2 percent. If you can pull that, I want to play that a little later. Dave Bratt's going to write Shotgun with us this morning. The, you know, Rachel Maddow, the brains of the operation. I think it's pretty evident now she's punched out. I mean, they spent 30 minutes on the show last night because you can only watch her on Monday. 30 minutes on the show talking about the epic fail of the no Kings. They're hanging their hat on this. Of like Trump's authoritarian breakout can only be stopped by the no Kings movement. First off, it's the dumbest name in the world, but let's forget the branding for a second. Their whole purpose is they're trying to make an argument that this thing is building with intensity. This is building with, this is building with scale. Because they've got this theory of the case from that whack job up at Harvard, the Institute of Politics, the one that Natalie Winters goes through and you know, blows up every couple of weeks. She's got this theory of how countries are these political scientists, of how countries stop the rise of authoritarians. And they got three ways they do it. You know, they're non violent, they are, they show momentum, they have urgency, they get to scale and essentially three and a half percent, their theory, these political scientists, right, who are all a bunch of guys, men and women, don't know anything, that at three and a half percent of the population you have a breakout and that's how you thwart the rise of the authoritarians. But you can tell they're trying to make this no Kings thing into something it's not, it's a fail if that's the best you got. These old, you know, the liberals, you know, when you see around, they whine about everything. They want a frictionless life and all they do is bitch about everything because all of most of them are in dead end jobs. They've never really been rewarded in life. What they feel is their proper place in the universe, particularly intellectually. So they're just the meanest, nastiest, most bitter people in the world. One of the reasons I love the MAGA movement is kind of the determination and grit, but also just the good old American, you know, the understanding in adversity, right? In comradeship and in brotherhood and all that. You can have Fun. And it's the glint in the eyes of people and understanding what they're fighting for a higher cause, which is defense of this republic as a, as the new Jerusalem. Yeah, we're fighting a spiritual war. And folks understand that and embrace that. On the other side, you just have the same bitter people that don't feel they've been rewarded in life because they're smarter than everybody and they're stuck in some dead end job either as a teacher or professor or something that's attached to the government. And so they never think they've been rewarded and they're bitter for it. This thing had no energy. The crowds were all. It was a joke. And there's no 7 million. Give me a break. These crowds were nothing. It's a nothing burger if you can't get more than that in New York City to rally against Trump. Because it's all hatred. It's pure hatred of Trump and no kings. A guy that won the House, the Senate, the popular vote, the Electoral College and is dominating them on everything. Full spectrum dominance to the fact that they've shut down the government on illegal aliens, because they don't have illegal aliens or anything. The reason is they don't have enough of the American people now. And Brad's going to join me. So I want to get to this instrument of divine will or the providential nature of President Trump's political life. Right, the political life. The. As it becomes more and more evident to these folks, and you're going to see this because of the structural realignment of the country demographically and where the country is moving to, that's become structurally harder and harder for them to get power through the democratic process. What do I mean by. Well, Steve, what do you mean by that? Well, let's give you some detail. The Supreme Court, as you know, we followed it closely, this racial gerrymandering argument they had. And I believe that they'll come back in January and I think we're going to win that. And that CNN tells me that's 10 seats. The New York Times, I think, says 19, although I may have those reversed. But somewhere between 10 and 19 seats will flip and become, you know, not just competitive, but seats that it should. Both groups think the Republicans pick up. So that's huge. But in addition, we have our daily work here at the War Room, which, as you remember, this audience delivered, I don't know, eight or 10 seats in 21 and early 22. That became the basis for Polly Pockets speakership. McCarthy first and then replaced by Polly Pockets the, the gross amount of that number is 21. As Alex de Grasse, who's kind of one of the chief architects of this and was the Chief Architect of 21, 22 has come on here. Now that includes the five in Texas we've already banked. But it also, it doesn't net out the five that it looks like unless we make some dramatic changes. And what I mean by that is get President Trump engaged in the, in the contest out there which the locals heretofore have not wanted. But you must get Trump engaged to stop Newsom. In California, you add, I don't know, 10 or 12 there, maybe 15 there, net. You add 10, 12, 15 net. And the others you got 20 north. It makes it very, very, very difficult for the radical Democrats to think that they can have a shot of taking back the House. Now look, we're going to fight every day for that, but it makes, it makes the odds longer. Also there's a couple of structural issues in that demographic shift about the Senate. You add on top of it. What I think we ought to make a top priority is a mid decade census. The one in 2020 was gun decked. Stephen Miller and I had it that no illegal aliens would be counted because illegal aliens cannot be counted and should not be counted. And that was overruled by Wilbur Ross and the Wall street crowd over commerce at the time. We kick that back in and hey, guess what, it becomes self evident on the electoral college basis they can't win anywhere anyway. Short, short, short break. Back in the warm in a second.

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Okay? Anyway, as they get more and more desperate, they're obviously anti democratic. You saw what the illegitimate regime did. They stole the 2020 election. Yes, they did. They stole the 2020 election and then they clamped down with the vaccine mandates, right? They ran this like, like the Bolsheviks ran things. Remember the billboards about people that if you know anybody that went to January 6th or whatever, the lives of others, like the East Germans and the Stasi, so we know what they're like. That's why you back President Trump. Yes, you. This audience back President Trump put your shoulder to the wheel immediately and said, no, it's not gonna be Rhonda. Say, it's not gonna be Nikki Haley. Trump's coming back and we're going to set things right here. So the American Cincinnatus, that would be Donald Trump and you are his legions. And the left is going to become more and more apparent because of demographic shifts in the nation and geographic shifts in the nation, that structurally, it's going to be harder and harder and harder for the Democrats actually, you know, take over, take, take back the institutions. This is why I say maximalist strategy. Move with urgency and seize the institutions. While seizing the institutions. And they're going to get more and more violent and more and more dangerous, and they're going to be putting up guys like Mandami in these big urban areas where they can get all the illegal aliens in and get them somehow to vote. That's why you have to have ICE officers at the polls in 2026 and, you know, be rolling up people and arresting people in mass deportations. That'll get their attention. I want to play, though, President Trump is providential. I had a ringside seat, and President Trump is not churchy, and that particularly. I don't know. Not particularly churchy. Okay. But he is an instrument of divine will, and he's a providential figure of that. It's obvious. The facts laid out. Let's go and play some cuts from the war room, and then we'll bring in the day. Brett, in the lesson of Trump, in the steel of 2020, Providence was working through that. Look, Trump, I've had an opportunity to see it up close for 10, I don't know, 12 years, 13 years. It's providential. He's a very imperfect individual. His imperfections and his overcoming his imperfections to save the country makes his greatness even more. Right, right. We've had three in this country. General Washington at the revolution and the birth of the nation. You see Washington, if you read the biographies, they were torturing him all the time, particularly in the revolution. Right. They're trying to cashier him. They're putting the knives in his back. I mean, this guy was steady, and that's how he got through the revolution. He wouldn't quit. And he understood, if you don't quit, we're going to win. Civil war. Abraham Lincoln.

[James O'Keefe]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

Same way at the rebirth of the nation and Trump at the reclaiming of the nation, the rejuvenation of the nation. That's why it's all on the line here. This is not normal politics. We're not talking about marginal tax rates. We're not talking about just what were the basic politics at the turn of the century. Why? Think about it for a second yourself. You're much savvier today about politics, the economy, the way the country works, right? If you go back in time and look at yourself in your own political life and what you believed and what you donated for, right? You've had a great awakening, a great awakening that is tied to a spiritual awakening led by a man. Trump is not particularly churchy. Right. Because God chooses his instruments and they hate him. Because they understand your commitment to him. And part of your commitment is you understand. Wait for it, msnbc. Wait for it. Wait for it. No, don't wait for it. He is an instrument of divine providence. Yep. He is of that. There's no doubt. There's empirical evidence of that. This is one of the reasons people support him, because they understand he's doing God's will to save this republic. When all rationality said, no, let me not do that, they win. Trump wouldn't do that. Trump would never quit. Trump would never back down. And that's why they hate him, and that's why they must destroy him. But also divine providence. Do not forget the assassination attempt. We came one eighth of one eighth of one tenth of 1/20 of 1 millimeter from having President Trump's head blown off right on live tv. That was the work. That was the hand of God. That was the hand of God.

[Dave Brat]

That.

[Steve Bannon]

Gave us the opportunity, the inflection point, for you to use your agency three months later, four months later, and deliver this stunning victory. The same divine providence that put me in a prison, Right. Because it is God's plan. Dave Bratt, can we. Jon Stewart. And Jon Stewart is not his name, but Jon Stewart mocks, openly mocks Christ and mocks God, Right? In this discussion of President Trump is President Trump. You're my theologian here. Is President Trump the instrument of divine providence? The instrument of divine. Of God's will, sir.

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[Dave Brat]

And you know, as Charlie Kirk taught us, right, What Charlie did that was so great, you know, he was mocked. Christ was mocked. Jon Stewart is a comedian. The country's starting to get serious right now. And so if you go to the Bible, right, There's different spheres. Trump. President Trump is clearly providential. He's not a priest, Right. There's different spheres, and there's some complexity in understanding the Christian system. But Romans 13 is the classic text. I mean, for the one in authority is God's Servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid. For rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. The left is freaking out because President Trump not only brought renewed energy to the government, to that sphere and to justice, and to arresting the wrongdoers, but he's also brought tremendous strength and courage, and it's contagious on the spiritual front. You know, Christ suffered on the cross for all of us. And, you know, if you haven't ever pictured that he took on the wrath for the entire world's sins, of all times, just picture the wrath of God going into one man. And if that doesn't convict you and make you feel thankful to God, he suffered so that we can be faithful, free. And now this country, we live at the absolute pinnacle of freedom. We've bestowed rights on everyone. We have ultimate freedom. We have the highest form of constitutional government you could ever imagine. But now it's getting tricky because we've extended maybe too many rights without corresponding responsibilities in our system. And so a lot of people are taking advantage of this. Pritzker is threatening to go after the law itself. Right? God has given the law. Pritzker is threatening to go after the law. And it's going to be a show of force and of constitutional governance. The president, under his Article 2 powers, clearly has the power to enforce the law of the land. That's what he's doing. Right? And the left gets away, and I think they're running out of time, as Charlie Kirk showed us. Bible sales, by the way, are up 36%, fueled by the. The death of. Of Charlie Kirk, another martyr.

[Steve Bannon]

It's not the death. It's not the death. It's an assassination. He's a Christian. Yes, he's a Christian martyr. Assassination. So.

[Ryan Reynolds (Mint Mobile Advertisement Voice)]

So.

[Steve Bannon]

Continue on, Go ahead, continue on.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, the main point and I think the serious of this moment, right, Stewart's just mocking Jesus Christ, juxtaposing humor. That's some dangerous ground, right? When you talk about the wrath of God, etc. And then he mocks all the Christians who are trying to make great statements about what President Trump means in their lives. But this moment in time, the left, right, the left cannot offer up an alternative worldview. And I think that is kind of a key as to what's going on. They've built Up K to 12 higher ed, and their philosophical system is called deconstruction. That comes straight out of Karl Marx, Right? The permanent revolution of destroying all of our loves. As the great Catholic R.R. reno has wrote Return of the Strong Gods, the left is tearing down all of our loves. The love of God. They're clearly they destroyed God and taken them out of the schools. They're winning the love of our country. Nationalism is now on the rise. Charlie Kirk combined both the spirituality of the Christian system along with the constitutional republic we live in to his service. And then the family has been torn to shreds. But there is a rebirth and you can feel it coming. There's a rebirth of the loves and it's the return of the strong gods. And we better make sure we're serving the right God.

[Steve Bannon]

Can you hang on for a second, Dave Bratt? Sure. We're going to go to short commercial break. Dave Brat's running shotgun with me. We're going to continue to drill down on this because they're raising the stakes. You see Jim Vanderhe over Axios trying to cut a path for him. They're raising the stakes. The left is devolving into a morass of anarchy, chaos and violence because for decades they've depended upon illegal alien invaders to be the basic substrate of their party. And President Trump has out of that, that that's why we need to triple down. There's a bunch of Christian preachers saying, hey, our, our, you know, evangelists, our, our congregations are afraid to come in here. But dude, if they're afraid to come because of, because of ice, I'm sorry about that. They all have to leave. And the Christian evangelicals who sometimes the first to be one, there's no whining in the war room, folks. If they're not coming to church because of that, it's because they're an illegal alien invader. And it's great that they found the word of God, but they're going to have to live that life of a lived Christianity back in their home country. Short break, o' Keefe next.

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[Steve Bannon]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Dave Brat]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

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Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

[Dave Brat]

Bad faith, political warfare and frankly, bullshit.

[Steve Bannon]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

[Dave Brat]

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

[Steve Bannon]

Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

[Dave Brat]

I'm Leon Naifak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.

[Steve Bannon]

What difference at this point does it make?

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[Steve Bannon]

This is what's so important about signing and finally getting serious about the anti terrorism of antifa to get down not the foot soldiers. It's just like in the no kings ground. They're bragging. It was so nonviolent. Fantastic. We're greatest nonviolent. Good, good on you. But it's a stiff. It's got no momentum, it's got no heat. It doesn't have the thing that you can collect to actually win to political power. What do you mean? At three and a half percent. You're going to do what? Thwart. How are you going to thwart it? Tell me how you're going to take the House back. Rachel and Rachel's punched out. They know that she's taking 20 million a year for one night a week. 20 million bucks a year for one night a week. And she doesn't have her fastball anymore. I've said forever. She's the brains of the operation. There's no. She spent 27 minutes I think last night going through state by state of this ridiculous no energy. A bunch of PBS watchers sitting around the same whining and griping they always do. These liberals, right progressives. Because it's never good enough. They got a frictionless life, basically. A frictionless life. And all they do is bitch and moan about everything. There was a great piece in the free Beacon of the MSNBC event, the live event they had where they think rolling out Martin Sheen is like going to grab. Because this is the fantasy. They go back to Martin Sheen and you know, the constitutional lawyer and the white Obama, he's going to solve all the problems, right? No, no, because you're part of the problem. You support the oligarchs. You say you don't, but hey, then why don't you tax them? When you first couple of months of Biden's illegitimate regime, you had the House, you had the Senate, you had the presidency. Where's my tax on the billionaires? Where is it?

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[Steve Bannon]

Where'd it go? Didn't go anywhere. Didn't even go to committee. You know why? Because you're owned by the billionaires. And this is why. This is all, you know, it's equivalent to the Kochs doing some stuff in the Tea Party. That's all. This no, no kings, no kings, no kings event is about and there are going to be investigations already at treasury, already at the IRS to getting back of who finances all this. Where's the foreign money? Let's out the billionaires, the finance this. Let's just get down to it. And that's going to scare a bunch of them off. And you're going to have the devolution of the Democratic Party understanding they can't win national elections with no illegal aliens gone. They have no muscle, they're gone. They're not going to be able to win the House on a national basis. Not going to be able to take back over the Senate. The Electoral college is permanently shifting our way in 2030. Now I say permanently. We have to deliver on what we're saying. We have to deliver in the present. I think you're going to see a big pivot back to domestic issues quite shortly. He's trying to solve, he's trying to solve these wars and these problems with China, the economic war there as a domestic concern so we don't get sucked into more 20 year wars. This is why the CIA director should come forward right now to the American people and tell about the gun decked intelligence that you told the President of the United States that almost sucked us in to a, to a land war in, in Persia. Okay, we have to do that. But this is why this is such a, this is the battle right here. This is the fight. And they got no juice, no energy, no urgency, no. And they're trying to make the, try to make this case. Now it's getting bigger every time. It started at 2 million, it went to 5 million. Now it's 7 million. There was not 7 million people. And it's not 7 million people that matter. What I mean by that, the people like in the, the, the Warren Posse that will get out into the trenches and get it done. Those people just want to sit at home and watch PBS and old reruns of West Wing and bitch and moan about Trump. That's what they want to do. I've got. Now let's go ahead. We have a cold open. I got the James o' Keefe here. Quite interesting. Let's go ahead and let's go and play the open. I'm gonna bring James in.

[James O'Keefe]

So ATI do 20% and those subcontractors do like 80%.

[Emily Maitlis and John Sopel]

80%.

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They do all the work. No, never. So we do about 20% of the work.

[Steve Bannon]

20%.

[James O'Keefe]

These government contractors like ATI taking advantage of their special minority owned status.

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And I tell you, pass throughs are a great thing as well. So a lot of our subcontractors bid.

[Steve Bannon]

On a contract that were perfect in.

[Spinquest/Public Rec Advertisement Voice]

Their industry, but because they weren't Native American, they wouldn't win it. So we built it for them.

[Steve Bannon]

They became our sub, and it's an.

[Spinquest/Public Rec Advertisement Voice]

Automatic win because your Native American status isn't that exciting. A lot of people don't know that.

[James O'Keefe]

I don't think anybody knows that.

[Steve Bannon]

We want to keep it that way.

[Dave Brat]

That's right.

[iHeart Podcast Announcer]

Secret.

[Spinquest/Public Rec Advertisement Voice]

Exactly.

[James O'Keefe]

Taking the money in, subcontracting much of the work out.

[Ryan Reynolds (Mint Mobile Advertisement Voice)]

I sit back, collect my percentage.

[Spinquest/Public Rec Advertisement Voice]

And they do the work, correct?

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, they're doing most of work.

[James O'Keefe]

Get the contracts, get the money, act as a pass through, and it's the taxpayer who gets screwed over.

[Steve Bannon]

Is there some rules or something that you were telling me about that you have to report 51% on paper?

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Correct.

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[Steve Bannon]

Ding, ding. That's the best kept secret.

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It is indeed.

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It is.

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It is.

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Go ahead.

[Steve Bannon]

Here's to, here's to pass throughs. There you go. How about that? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Bad boys, bad boys, bad boys. I just want the bad boys.

[James O'Keefe]

Bad boys, bad boys.

[Steve Bannon]

Let me. So hold it. I got James o' Keefe as the narrator. James, I don't know. This is back to your ACORN days. Now you're at the front line of investigations. Was that you or Willy Wonka in the. In the meetings? I mean. And they actually, they didn't see through your disguise, sir.

[James O'Keefe]

Hey, Steve. Yeah.

[Dave Brat]

This is.

[James O'Keefe]

This is kind of akin to the acorn pimp hooker thing from 16 years ago. I mean, I. I just put on a ridiculous disguise, but it. Am I really good at my job, or are these people just that systemically corrupt? Yeah. This is not fake. This is real. An actual subcontractor who gets hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government that we busted. And this is a huge, huge scam. This 8 8, a program designed to, help, quote, socially and economically disadvantaged small businesses. Steve, it's a. It's a billion, hundred billion dollar scam that we've busted. And now we have the head of the sba, as of last night, launching an investigation. Hopefully this gets reformed.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, we know a bunch of guys over the sba, but here's the question I've got. It's stunning. And this is why you got to watch the entire video James actually in and they're having meetings and he's, you know, he's, he's Willy Wonka. But this is a huge program. How was this program not gutted? We just had a $2 trillion, $1.8 trillion deficit. We're looking at a $2 trillion deficit. The deconstruction of the administrative state. I thought that this was low hanging fruit. How do we get to USAID and these others and miss this? This program is massive. And you just saw right there, it's both corrupt and incompetent. Right. It's not even doing what it says do. So how did this miss the acts of Russ vote?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, I'm not sure that it did. I mean, this just broke yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening. And we've got another one coming out tomorrow, another employee in one of these firms. We're going to, I'm going to keep, I'm going to bring down the whole disease temple. Steve Bannon, I've been working on this story for nine months. I've got people, I've got multiple videos inside these firms. And you know, my understanding is Russ is aware of it. But to answer your question is why hasn't it been taken down is because everyone's making money off this. Everyone. And it seems like every everyone. I mean, I've gotten 100 messages overnight. I stay up all night reading all these messages. Everybody is making money off of this 8. A small business minority subcontracting scheme. The entire system is basically built on a facade. And so you basically have to tear it down brick by brick because the whole thing would collapse. This is 5%, Steve, of the federal deficit, $2 billion. This is 100 billion through these fraudulent eight schemes.

[Steve Bannon]

Walk me through. You said everybody's making money. And this, as you know, in this town, that's what drives things. Just walk me through that for a second.

[James O'Keefe]

Well, this is the Goal of the this 8A program is to assist small disadvantaged businesses through business development. And you have to sub out the work to an organization. You're supposed to do more than 51% of the work. If you're subbing the work out to a subcontractor, what actually happens is these primes are doing no work and it's just a pass through scheme and then they take a share of the funds. So a lot of this happens everywhere. I've gotten messages from military contractors, from construction contractors and these people. And these eight firms aren't even minority owned. This is a Super 8A. So it's supposedly Native American owned, but actually the CEO is actually a white guy named Firmage Crutchfield. So these schemes are happening on a massive level. They're well intended. They're supposed to help, quote, unquote, disadvantaged groups. But like most DEI programs, the road to hell is good intentions.

[Steve Bannon]

Hold it, hang on. They're supposed to be minority run organizations. How do you have a white guy as the head guy?

[James O'Keefe]

That's a great question. Let me ask you an even deeper question. How the hell does that individual, who's director of contracts, who's worked, whose father and mother worked for the FBI, how does she not know that? I'm James o'. Keefe. So these are, these are questions. I mean, I mean, it's incompetent, it's corrupt, it's a, it's a, it's a joke is what it is. And I. Did you.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Well, now, in your nine month investigation, how much, how much did you go? Because this is like back to your original thing when Andrew Breitbart was so blown away about when you got an acorn or so many other things, you would go in and be at the tip of the spear. When you put out these other videos, were you an active participant in the investigation? Like we saw you here in your Willy Wonka outfit throughout the investigation?

[James O'Keefe]

Yeah, I mean, we had to set up. This was not a honey pot, this is not a dating app. This was. We had to set up a fake website, pose as headhunters, and with our own 8A business, this particular. This is a very sophisticated investigation. This was not something that was done overnight. This individual apparently had a side hustle, some type of catering company she did on weekends. So we posed as a group, an 8 a group met with her under the pretense that we were buying her catering. And then in the conversation, 10 minutes into the conversation, she admits that her subcontract company, 8A firm, is engaged in fraud. So we had to come up with a reason to meet with her. And then we met in an Arlington, Virginia restaurant with hidden cameras. Let me go back to what you said about these eight firms. It's a huge scam and it's happening across the country everywhere. And I think a lot of. Steve, a lot of the problems is that you take away these programs, you take away a lot of people's money, you take away a lot of people's mansions, a lot of people's yachts. At the end of the day, it's about money and it's a huge scam. But we do have, we do have news. The head of the sba last night, the head of the SBA putting out a statement that the SBA has launched an investigation into this company and they're launching conducting a full review of the eight program designed to help these dei. And in February, the SBA took immediate action to slash contracting. So we hope that Russ and Pam are watching and they actually reform the system because the time is now.

[Steve Bannon]

Can you hang on one second? I just, I want to ask you a couple questions about the investigation, but particularly here's what I'm do. Your stuff has been so great recently. I always see the left immediately come out and trying to say, oh no, Keith's a bad guy or this is all doctored and the footage is cut. So I want to get to we have the SBA starting a formal investigation. I want to get to how the left is going to try to chop back you so we can't get a full and deep investigation and get results. 100 billion dollar program that's got to go because I'm not sure you can even reform this. Hang on for a second. O', Keefe, Dave Brat's with me riding shotgun. We're gonna take a short commercial break. Gold is on a tear. Of course it's going to go up and down around when it sets a new, a new floor. Right? You have to understand why this is happening. It's not the price, it's the process. Birchgold.com promo code Bannon end of the dollar empire. Get it, read it, study it. Then talk to Philip Patrick and team at Birchgold. We started this process, I don't know when gold was 1100 bucks over 4400 the other day backed off a little bit.

[James O'Keefe]

Short break.

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[Dave Brat]

What I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi. Nine times out of ten they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked why Benghazi?

[Steve Bannon]

The truth became a web of lies.

[Dave Brat]

It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Ryan Reynolds (Mint Mobile Advertisement Voice)]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

[Dave Brat]

Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

[Steve Bannon]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

[Dave Brat]

Was it an overblown distraction or a sinister conspiracy?

[Ryan Reynolds (Mint Mobile Advertisement Voice)]

Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything.

[Steve Bannon]

That'S been going on for the last 20 years.

[Dave Brat]

I'm Leon Naifak from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is Fiasco Benghazi.

[Steve Bannon]

What difference at this point does it make?

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Yes, that's right. Lock her up.

[Dave Brat]

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[Steve Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K Banner. Okay, the Economist. I'll be doing. There'll be an interview with myself and the senior team of the Economist on Thursday. We'll make sure we push it out. A lot of it's dealing with this new edition of the Economist. A special report. The coming debt emergency. Have you ever heard this anywhere before fol. I don't know, maybe four years ago, five years ago in the war room. The economists finally catching up. And it's Quite grim, folks. 335 or $340 trillion global debt and the margin calls coming. And this thing is grim. We're going to get into it. But that deficit of 1.8 trillion, because we have not cut federal spending like we have to cut it. We have $100 billion program. James O' Keefe is gutting this thing. Now, O', Keefe, here's the question. The left is going to be all over you because this is real money to them, right? That hundred billion dollars is going back to all these community organizations. Just like you took down ACORN and brother, they tried to destroy you at that time. So now these other ones you putting in jail, the other ones are big farmers, bad enough, but now you're coming after the mother's milk of the revolutionary left. So tell me what I can anticipate. SBA started a formal investigation of just your first one. You got more to come. What's going to happen to James o'? Keefe?

[James O'Keefe]

Well, first of all, Steve, I think. I think they've run out of arrows. They've sued me 50 times. They put me in jail. They put me on house arrest for three years. The FBI raided me and I was fired from the company I founded. I mean, I don't know what their next move is. I mean, I hesitate to. To say what I think their next move is, but I actually, I actually have faith this time, Bannon, because I don't think this is a left or right issue. I think this is about money. And I don't see it. I mean, I suppose because it's 8A subcontractors, the program is kind of a DEI thing. It's well intentioned. It's supposed to help minority groups and small businesses. But the small businesses sub out the work to Accenture in these large firms. And the small businesses and the 8A groups do zero work. It's a federal crime to do less than 51% of the work. And they're on tape bragging about it. The woman is giving specific data, specific numbers. So I honestly have no idea what I will say and what has to happen is Cash and Pam and Russ, I know that they have this and they need to take action. They're in charge.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes.

[James O'Keefe]

There's no excuse. We don't. I think latest I heard is they're waiting for the New York Times to report it. Stop waiting for the New York Times. Do your job. I mean this sincerely.

[Steve Bannon]

Brother. I'm telling you, as we told Charlie and other people, you are a big time target. They try to put you in prison. They had the FBI kick down your door. They did everything to harass you. A house arrest for three years. People don't even know that he was a house arrest for three years. The company you found, it was so great, got you fired from that. Took it from you. You're high on their list. And you better, you better not just lawyer up. You better security up. Okeefe. Where do we get all this because. Go ahead.

[James O'Keefe]

Lawsuit. I would say lawsuits is probably, they're probably their play. They're going to try to use litigation to bankrupt me. That would be the most obvious response here.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, but you're more dangerous to them than that. They'll. They'll try that. Don't get me wrong, but you're a warrior. And this program, brother, is how this, like the NGOs, this is how they fund the radical left. This is when you went after acorn. And no one now knowing now what they knew, if they knew then, if they knew then what they know now. Trust me, you're. You're, you're. You're a warrior. And you don't back down. And you keep coming up with one great hit after the other. So it's pretty stunning. Where do people go to o' Keeffe Media Group to get this? Sir.

[James O'Keefe]

O' Keeffe Media Group and Citizen Journalism foundation, we are tax deductible now. So if you're watching this program and you support this journalism, donate to us. We have another one coming out on Wednesday. Another. Another organization getting money from the SBA, getting money from these Super 8A contracts and admitting to wire fraud and pass throughs. This is going to come out Wednesday. We have another one coming out Thursday. We're gonna keep busting these guys. We want people to get arrested. We want justice. And we're not gonna stop until we get it. And stay tuned for Wednesday and Steve, I hope to talk to you then.

[Steve Bannon]

I think we will have you on Wednesday and Thursday, sir. Already pre booked. Thank you. James o', Keefe. You're a hero and a warrior.

[James O'Keefe]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

People didn't know. They had. They had o' Keefe on house arrest, I think with an. For three years. Remember, o' Keefe's one of these guys that kept doing it. If we didn't come back, o' Keefe be in prison right now. That's how much they want to get o'. Keefe. Brad, I know you got to bounce. I'm going to have you back on. I'll talk to you that this afternoon or tomorrow. We'll talk more about the spiritual side of this. But I got to ask you, you were in Congress. How in the hell does this happen? This is one of the things that's supposed to be gutting. Now we have a problem. It has to be o' Keefe going in undercover and get the SBA guys on top of it and now get Cash or Dan Bongino or Pam or Russ or somebody's attention. But this is not. It's not there. This is. Why is Congress on this? Why is this in the appropriations process? Not come out and say, no, we're not doing this anymore, brother.

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, well, you see Trump. Trump is carrying the whole load. Congress, you know, Russ vote a couple years back had a $1.5 trillion cut per year. Congress put in a 1.5 trillion cut over 10 years and couldn't get it to happen. There's money laundering going all over the place. Right. There's $300 billion going over to Ukraine. No audit of that one. When I was in Congress and ask your congressman, everybody out there across the country, ask them what you're doing on foreign policy. They wouldn't let us discuss foreign policy. I was in four years. They never had one foreign policy discussion in conference, ever. The CIA has run 50 coup d' etats over the past 50 years. There was no discussion of the role of the CIA, our intelligence organizations. It's kind of keep it small, keep it. All right. The power is kept in what I used to call the giant Excel spreadsheet in the sky. That's the donor spreadsheet. And right now, the power from the left, the dark money zero hedge, had an incredible piece couple days ago on the billionaire dark money flooding into the governors. Flooding it. Yes. Everybody follow that and I'll jump back on and we'll cover that another day.

[Steve Bannon]

Dave, Brett, social media. You're a warrior, sir.

[Dave Brat]

Yep. Brad, economics getter and X. And I'll be posting a lot. We just had a very successful CEO summit at Liberty, and thank you guys for helping us cover that.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to get. I want to get some footage from that and have you come and explain it. Very successful. We need to do, we need to do more of that. Brad, you're amazing. Thank you so much, sir.

[Dave Brat]

Thanks, Steve. God bless you.

[Steve Bannon]

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