THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4870)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (Episode 4870)

Real America's Voice | October 22, 2025
Guests: Max Tegmark (MIT), Senator Josh Hawley, Joe Allen, Brandon Weichert, Dr. Bradley Thayer

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Overview

This episode of Steve Bannon’s War Room focuses on the existential risks, political concerns, and geopolitical race surrounding artificial general intelligence (AGI) and artificial superintelligence (ASI). Bannon hosts a multi-part panel discussion with MIT professor Max Tegmark, Senator Josh Hawley, tech analyst Joe Allen, author Brandon Weichert, and national security expert Dr. Bradley Thayer, addressing the technological, social, and national security threats posed by rapid progress in AI. The conversation also veers into the US-China competition in technology and space, and concludes with passionate calls for public action and accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Threat of Superintelligence and Public Mobilization

[03:14–06:03]

• Max Tegmark outlines a public statement against racing towards superintelligence without strict controls.
  • Only a tiny minority of Americans support pushing toward superintelligence.
  • Calls out Silicon Valley elites for undemocratically imposing transhumanist visions.
  • Urges a moratorium until there’s broad scientific consensus and public support.

Notable Quote:

"The statement simply says that ... there should be a prohibition against building this stuff, at least until there's a broad scientific consensus that this can be controlled and safe, and also until Americans actually want it." – Max Tegmark ([05:02])

• Bannon frames Silicon Valley's push for AGI as being driven by “greed, avarice, and naked power.”
  • Warns that an uncontrolled inflection point in technological development could be irreversible.

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2. AI Accelerationism, ‘The Merge,’ and Silicon Valley’s Values

[06:03–11:31]

• Bannon and Tegmark cite Sam Altman’s “Merge” thesis—the idea humanity must either ‘merge’ with machines or fade into obsolescence.
  • Criticize this as antithetical to American and religious values.
  • Tegmark notes bipartisan coalition emerging against superintelligence.

Notable Quote:

"These atheists are building their digital God ... we're all supposed to worship ... there are many threats to America ... but there is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well and we can't ignore that." – Max Tegmark ([07:40])

• Bannon notes that even the devoutly secular may oppose building a digital God, seeing it as both a religious and cultural overreach.

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3. Scientific Community Support and AGI Safety

[11:31–15:28]

• Tegmark dispels notions that anti-superintelligence advocates are Luddites:
  • Highlights leaders like Geoff Hinton and Yoshua Bengio—pioneers in AI—who now call for regulation.
  • Compares their change of heart to Einstein and Oppenheimer’s nuclear doubts.

Notable Quote:

"Calling Geoff Hinton and Joshua Bengio Luddites makes just as much sense as calling Einstein and Oppenheimer Luddites." – Max Tegmark ([15:05])

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4. China’s Role in the AI and Tech Race

[15:28–18:11], [28:07–30:42], [47:22–49:04]

• Bannon underscores the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) strategic investment in AI, robotics, and quantum computing—mentioning "Made in China 2025."

  • Claims US financiers and technologists (including Elon Musk) facilitate Chinese technological gains.
  • Warns of "singularity" ambitions among authoritarian leaders.

• Tegmark stresses the CCP uses the US as a competitive foil but that both US and China will avoid ASI that could jeopardize their own control.

Notable Quote:

"The last thing [the CCP is] going to tolerate is ... superintelligence that they will lose control over and ... will overthrow the Chinese Communist Party..." – Max Tegmark ([29:24])

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5. AGI/ASI: From ‘Dream’ to Dangerous Reality

[20:57–26:09]

• Joe Allen distinguishes between narrow AI and the coming of more flexible, multi-domain AGI.

  • Notes systematic advances from GPT-4 to GPT-5 and beyond.

• Tegmark reveals co-authored research showing AGI capability is accelerating rapidly (27% to 58% in one year).

• Bannon rejects framing ASI as only a “dream,” insisting it’s an active, funded project nearing reality.

Notable Quotes:

"At 58%, it's almost like, hey, can you turn it around? ... This is ... important enough ... to try to move this forward and have a group ... to formally go on and say, hey, we're putting you on notice that this can't ... stop." – Steve Bannon ([25:18])

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6. Policy Proposals: Regulation, Safety, and Public Responsibility

[26:09–28:07]

• Tegmark calls for regulatory parity: treat AI firms like any industry—if a product is dangerous, it shouldn’t be released.

  • Advocates government demands for “demonstrably safe tools.”
  • Emphasizes controlling technology to ensure social benefit and prevent disaster.

• Bannon pushes for technology and financial decoupling from the CCP.

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7. Space Race, SpaceX, and US National Security

[35:31–46:17]

• Brandon Weichert and Bannon debate the reliance on SpaceX for 97% of US launches:
  • Bannon: heavy taxpayer investment should mean public partial ownership or strategic controls; calls for greater competition and reduced dependency.
  • Weichert: pushing nationalization risks innovation but agrees the US must broaden its space ecosystem quickly.

Notable Exchange:

"No contractor should ever have 97% of something. You have to spread your eggs in the basket." – Steve Bannon ([43:56])

• The conversation touches on need for diversified suppliers (Blue Origin, Rocket Lab, international partners) for US security and strategic advantage.

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8. China’s Global Ambitions in Space and AI

[46:20–53:00]

• Dr. Bradley Thayer warns of China’s ambitions to control the “Earth-Moon system” and calls for urgent action to cut off Chinese access to Western tech and talent.
  • Criticizes American leaders and companies with CCP interests.

Notable Quote:

"[We] can't have leaders in space or in AI who've got vested interests in the CCP survival and success." – Dr. Bradley Thayer ([53:00])

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9. US Political Shutdown and Immigration Debate

[55:48–59:34]

• Senator Josh Hawley provides a brisk update on the ongoing shutdown fight:
  • Argues Democrats are prioritizing benefits to non-citizens over veterans and border security.
  • Calls for firmness in opposing money for illegal immigration, upholding benefits for Americans.

Notable Quote:

"We got to draw a line on the sand ... never giving health care money that the American people need and have paid for to illegal aliens." – Senator Josh Hawley ([58:39])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "There are many threats to America... but there is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well, and we can't ignore that." – Max Tegmark ([07:40])
• "We will be the first species ever to design our own descendants... we can either be the biological bootloader for digital intelligence, meaning that humans are useless afterwards, and then fade into an evolutionary tree branch, or we can figure out what a successful merge looks like." – Cited from Sam Altman's "The Merge" blog post ([11:39])
• "You don't win a race by losing control over your own tech. Right. And destroying your own country." – Max Tegmark ([29:12])
• "We must broaden out immediately the number of companies that get access to these launches." – Steve Bannon ([38:53])

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Important Timestamps for Segments

• [03:14] – Introduction to Meta Superintelligence Labs and the stakes of AI acceleration.
• [05:02] – Max Tegmark on public and scientific responsibility before allowing superintelligence.
• [07:40] – Tegmark rebukes Silicon Valley’s “digital God” agenda.
• [13:43] – Scientific consensus against uncontrolled AGI.
• [24:49] – Tegmark report: AGI capability progress is accelerating.
• [26:09] – Tegmark’s policy recommendation: demonstrate safety before deployment.
• [35:31] – Bannon and Weichert discuss the dangers of SpaceX monopoly.
• [47:22] – Dr. Thayer on China's strategic aims for space and AI dominance.
• [58:39] – Hawley frames the political shutdown as a fight for citizens’ rights over illegal immigration.

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Tone and Language

The language throughout is urgent, combative, and reflective of the “War Room”’s populist, anti-elite tone. Guests are at times passionate or exasperated, especially when describing the apathy or motivations of “tech oligarchs.” There is bipartisan concern for AI safety, but strong suspicion of Silicon Valley, China, and government inaction. Calls to action—whether signing petitions or urging political mobilization—pervade the show.

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Further Action & Resources

• Join the AI safety statement: superintelligencestatement.org ([31:18])
• Joe Allen’s AI commentary: @JOEBOTXYZ on X and Getter ([53:26]), joebot.xyz
• Brandon Weichert: @wethebrandon on X, National Security Hour (America Out Loud/iHeart) ([45:56])
• Senator Josh Hawley: joshhawley.com, @hollyknow ([59:22])
• Dr. Bradley Thayer: X at BradThayerX & Getter ([53:01])

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Summary

In this episode, Steve Bannon and guests outline mounting risks around unregulated AI, challenge the undemocratic and profit-driven ambitions of Silicon Valley, and warn of both domestic and Chinese threats in tech and space. The group insists on immediate regulatory intervention, global vigilance, and public mobilization, while also wrestling with the best approaches for industrial competition and national security.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

WAR ROOM here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

Everyone, I want to talk about our new effort, Meta Superintelligence Labs and our vision to build personal superintelligence for everyone in the future.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

So now we're starting to look ahead to super intelligence. And even more than before, our focus must be on wide and fair access.

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Human on every problem in our pocket.

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[Steve Bannon]

Foundation is being locked in and it's.

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Not, we're not going to stop.

[Steve Bannon]

It gets much more interesting after that.

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[Steve Bannon]

They're learning how to plan and they don't have to listen to us anymore.

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We call that super intelligence or asi. Artificial Super Intelligence.

[Steve Bannon]

And this is the theory that there will be computers that are smarter than the sum of humans.

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The San Francisco consensus is this occurs within six years.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

I think that we might have AI smarter than any single human at anything as soon as next year and then.

[Max Tegmark]

Probably within five, like say 2030.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Probably AI is smarter than the subwoor humans.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe Allen, you join us. Max Tegmark joins us from mit, the Institute of Life. Max, today, to kind of put this in perspective, we put out a statement that you've been working on and really kind of organizing people behind the scenes to get in front of this because it's clearly spinning out of control. What is, Tell me what the statement is. It's in every paper. It's the lead story in many of the papers throughout the world. What are you actually trying to. What does the statement say and what are you trying to accomplish?

[Max Tegmark]

What we're trying to accomplish is for it to become just socially unacceptable to say the kind of stuff that we just heard these tech oligarchs say moments ago here. Yeah, we're going to build superintelligence and we have no idea how to control it. And it's going to be so cool. Please invest in us. You know, it's absolutely Insane. The statement simply says that it should be. There should be a prohibition against building this stuff, at least until there's a broad scientific consensus that this can be controlled and safe, and also until Americans actually want it. And we released a poll today also showing that actually less than 5% of all Americans want to race to superintelligence. Less than 1 in 20. And yet we have these fringe people in Silicon Valley who are all about transhumanism and merging with machines and stuff, shoving it down our throats undemocratically.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, they're fringe, except they've got all the money. They have stocks. Every stock jockey, every stock jobber on Wall Street. You mentioned artificial intelligence. Artificial and general intelligence. They're throwing money at them. They're the ones that have all the platforms everybody talks to. You got the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. And maybe anthropic is the one that's got some rationality here, but the rest of them, get all the media, and you've got David Sacks with the pom poms on coming in and out of the White House all the time saying how you got to be. If you're not an accelerationist, you're surrendering to the Chinese Communist Party. I just said in the previous thing, don't tell me about the Chinese Communist Party. I forgotten more about them than all those guys combined. Except for Elon Musk, who is an agent of influence for the Chinese Communist Party, I might add. And he's sitting there saying it's 20% chance that AGI could destroy mankind. How do you combat. When the system has promoted the fringe and made the fringe look like they're actually normalized, that they're actually the most radical thinking about a technology that you can't unwind, you can't put the horse back in the barn. You will hit an inflection point in mankind's development that will never be able to be reversed. How do you combat it when the fringe is actually driving it through a combination of greed, avarice, and just outright naked wanting of power, Sir.

[Max Tegmark]

Well, you, Steve, are the expert in this, right? And as you like to say, you gotta call out their lies. Because we, the American people, at least 95% of us, right, wanna stop this madness. And the first lie is this very sneaky slate of hand where people say, yeah, look, don't you want tools that can cure cancer? Don't you want productivity tools? Don't you want America to be strong and economically dominant with AI tools? And everybody goes like, yes, yes, yes. And then there's the fine print that they're not going to give you just tools. They also want to give you this transhumanist craziness where you're supposed to merge with the machines and we're supposed to build. These atheists are building their digital God that we're all supposed to worship. Their comms teams have told them not to talk about that so loudly. But if you go back, I was just going back and reading a blog post before the show here by Sam Altman that he wrote before his comms team told him to tone it down. And he was writing about how he thinks there are only two options for humanity after he builds super intelligence. One is we fade into an evolutionary tree branch. That's his quote. Or he thinks, which is what he thinks is the better option, we merge with the machines. You know, this is my two year old son. Who is he to tell my son that he needs to go merge with machines? What's that got to do with American values and American democracy? You know, in short, there are many threats to America. And you talked a lot now about, you've talked a lot, for example, about geopolitical threats. But there is a huge threat coming from San Francisco as well and we can't ignore that. And in fact, they try to make us only focus on external threats so we shouldn't pay attention to them.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to make sure people understand that their real thinking and what they're talking about behind the scenes because they have toned it down. Their PR experts have said, hey, you've got to tone this down or you're going to heighten people's awareness of this. Give me that again. What Altman wrote particularly about we either fade into an evolutionary tree branch or we merge. Give me that again one more time. Because that's his real thinking.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, you can just Google it, search for Altman. The merge and it comes right up. And he thinks basically this is the hopeful future. He sees that we merge with machines and where is the opt out button? No thanks. And you know, many people were shocked that this statement today got such incredibly broad support from all across the political spectrum. And what those who were surprised by that didn't realize that it's obvious why. Because all of these people across the spectrum are humans and they want the human future where machines are tools and work for us. They don't want to merge with machines and they certainly don't want their kids to merge with machines. They want these companies, Joe Allen, to be held accountable for their transhumanist craziness.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This Max the agenda to create general and then super intelligence. One of the reasons you get such a broad rejection of the idea, let alone the investment and the resources poured into it, is because Christians see that these are people who are trying to create a digital God in the absence of what they believe. They believe that there is no God, therefore it must be created. Christians of course are going to reject that. Religious people across the board are going to reject that.

[Steve Bannon]

But I don't know, I think we get a couple, three Hindus as a Muslim. I think anybody of a religious bent is going to reject that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, but that's the, another counterintuitive angle on that though. Even atheists, dogged atheists are against it mainly, you know, they see the struggle for removing religion as a centuries long process. To create a digital God would just undo all of that. So there's really only one small subset of people who benefit from the creation of general or superintelligence. That's going to be the tech oligarchs. As I've said many times, if anyone says they are going to bring about a radical change in your life, you have to ask for whose benefit. And you know the Altman statement, you know, Max and I were texting about this earlier and the, the full statement is worth pondering. This is Sam Altman in his blog post, the Merge. We will be the first species ever to design our own descendants. My guess is that we can either be the biological bootloader for digital intelligence, meaning that humans are useless afterwards, and then fade into an evolutionary tree branch, or we can figure out what a successful merge looks like. And it's worth noting that Altman about two months ago, began investing in a brain computer interface company for implanted brain chips, of course, called the Merge.

[Steve Bannon]

So Max, to follow on from this, on what Altman really thinks and what these oligarchs really think, the statement is broken down into two pieces. One is the scientific community and technology community. The other is the American people. The first one. A lot of the American people are going to sit there, well, hey Max, aren't the scientists and the technologists, aren't they already on board with the oligarchs and working on various parts of this project that they've bought in? So what do you mean a consensus among the scientists? Isn't your first block already checked off in their corner?

[Max Tegmark]

Sir, that's also a misconception that tech companies love to perpetuate. The first two signatories on the letter saying no to this nonsense are actually the two most cited scientists in the World. They're like Einstein and the Oppenheimer of our time. All categories. It's Jeff Hinton and Joshua Bengio who really helped pioneer this technology. And both of them are having this Oppenheimer moment now where they're like, holy smokes, what have we done? This is. This is crazy. No. The vast majority of scientists believe that we have no clue how we would control something much smarter than us. And many think of it as basically inviting aliens, technologically superior aliens, to just come to Earth and take over and see what happens, which obviously would count as high treason by any reasonable standards.

[Steve Bannon]

What about the argument that, hey, you guys are just a various assortment of Luddites. And like the Luddites, you're standing in the way of just the natural evolution of scientific and technological progress. And like the Luddites, you will be kicked into the dustbin of history, sir.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, absolutely. Calling Geoff Hinton and Joshua Bengio Luddites makes just as much sense as calling Einstein and Oppenheimer Luddites. You know, what did they know about physics? Right? They said that nuclear weapons can be bad for your health. What do they know? We who call them Luddites, we know so much better.

[Steve Bannon]

Perfect. Hang on for one second. I'm going to hold you through the break. Joe Allen is going to be here. Also, Dr. Thayer, an expert in the Chinese Communist Party and their advances in technology. Just remember how the CCP thinks downrange. Back in, I think it was 2014 or 15, they put up made in China, 2025, they don't talk about that anymore because they realized it started to get bad, bad press, particularly led by the show. What were the 10 industries they wanted to dominate? They made a whole of government, whole of society to dominate. The first was artificial intelligence and artificial general intelligence. The second was robotics, regenerative robotics. And third was advanced chip design. The fourth was quantum computing. And then you had then to throw in the fifth, you had CRISPR in biotechnology. The merger of those folks, as we've talked in the show many, many times, is the singularity. So when Xi and Putin are wandering around and they get the off camera microphone, which never happens in the ccp, and they're talking about living forever. And right now they can, what, they can push a buck 25. There's some very dangerous things going on right behind the curtain. And you've got to understand the oligarchs thinking this is about avarice, this about greed, this is about power, nothing else. Not for the good of the country, not some altruistic and it's certainly not a fight against the Chinese Communist Party. They're using that as a as a Damocles sword over our head, right? These guys are all in business with the Chinese Communist Party. Short commercial break Max Tegmark, A monumental day with the fight against artificial general intelligence next in the world.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

One of the biggest criticisms going towards the push to ban superintelligence is it doesn't exist, it's just a dream. Same with artificial general intelligence. Most people conceive of superintelligence as being the next step after general intelligence. General intelligence being able to understand its own system and to rewrite its own code until you hit an intelligence explosion. I just want to turn the audience's attention to a recent paper put out by Dan Hendricks et al at the center for AI Safety on a definition of artificial general intelligence. Without going into the maze of linguistic traps around general intelligence, just basically what we're talking about is instead of having a narrow AI like ChatGPT or like Clearview, AI, facial recognition or whatever, you're talking about a system that is flexible, able to go across domains. Again, people are like, well, that doesn't exist. Why is that a problem? Why should you mobilize any political will to mitigate that or super intelligence if they're just dreams, what the center for AI Safety and other companies like that do? Organizations like that, they evaluate these systems systematically to see what their capabilities actually are. And what they found with GPT, for instance, GPT 5 versus 4. Even if it wasn't the huge media splash and sensation that people would have thought it would be, the increases in the system's ability to read and write, to perform mathematical calculations, to reason, its working memory, its visual recognition, its auditory recognition, all of those have expanded, some of them dramatically. The point I'm making is, yes, AGI is at present just a dream and artificial superintelligence dream.

[Steve Bannon]

It's a. It's an objective that they're moving towards. But it's more than a dream. But more than a dream. It's a vision. But they have. They have a target and they're moving to that target. And everything they're doing that target. Everything they're doing is a dream. Is like you and I are sitting around. Sure, you know, I've got a dream of human freedom, right? But this is much more than that. It's not a dream at all. It's. It's a active program of which they're pushing to. This is why they go out of their way so much, to try to cover exactly what they're doing. Right. If this dream that they were sitting around cafes and, you know, wearing berets and thinking great thoughts. This is beyond the great thoughts thing. This is the active program of moving to converge on this. This is why it's so dangerous. And there's certain. There's certain milepost along the way that if you don't stop it now, once you get to the milepost, you can't. You cannot reverse what we're doing. Look, I've got huge problems. Just AI overall. We talked yesterday about AI psychosis. Hawley's gonna be on here. Senator Hawley's gonna be on here in a while. The hearing he had with the parents of the kids committing suicide. Because they're talking to AI right now. So I have problems with that. But this is more than a dream. Makes it seem like it's some, you know, ephemeral thing that's just out there. Am I not correct on that?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Well, then if we just go with vision. The difference between this and many other technological visions is that this is a vision that is materializing.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And there's objective data to show that this is a vision. This is my material, my point.

[Steve Bannon]

Max, you're in the heart. I mean, can you even go on campus anymore? You're at mit. Kind of the one at that and Stanford are kind of the railheads of this. There's many other. Obviously, everybody's into AI. Now, but, I mean, the railhead is the great Massachusetts Institute of Technology, our greatest engineering school, coupled with Stanford. Can you even go on campus right now? So this is embedded in everybody's thinking.

[Max Tegmark]

Oh, yeah. Most people in private are terrified about this or very concerned. They just don't want to say it publicly to not lose funding. And I'm so grateful to you, Joe, for bringing up our paper, because I was a co author on it. You know, we found that last year we have. We're 27% of the way there. Artificial general intelligence. This year we're at 58% of the way there. So we're not there yet, but we're getting closer fast.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, hold it.

[Max Tegmark]

But hang on.

[Steve Bannon]

This. My point is, this is not. This is not a dream. This is something that we're going down past milepost every day at 58%. It's almost like, hey, can you turn it around? I mean, that's why your heroic effort behind the scenes. And you should know that maximum, particularly with the. This is the broadest range, because people know I'm not. I don't sign these kinds. I get this stuff every day in politics and sign this. I don't do that. This was important enough, and particularly the various elements were disparate enough. And Max and people that I really admire put so much work into this to try to move this forward and actually have a group of prominent people, particularly in the science and technology community, to kind of formally go on and say, hey, we're putting you on notice that this can't. This can't stop. What is the next steps for you, Max, in actually making sure that we can make this a thing, as I call it.

[Max Tegmark]

So the first step is for people to understand that this is not a statement saying stop AI. That would be as weird as saying we're against cars or whatever. We want tools that can cure cancer, that can do all sorts of wonderful things and make America strong. And there's nothing in this letter saying anything about not building AI tools. But superintelligence, as Joellen nicely explained, there is not a tool. We have no clue how to control something like that. It's like trying to control vastly smarter than human aliens. We published a paper, me and my MIT AI students recently, showing that the most popular strategy for trying to control is. Just doesn't work right. So what we simply need is for Donald Trump and others in our government to stand up and say, look, we are only going to allow companies to make things that they can demonstrate our tools. That's just like saying that pharma companies can't sell medicines unless they can demonstrate that they're going to do more good than harm. You know, we treat every single other industry this way. But ironically, the AI companies have been so good at lobbying that they have this corporate welfare cut out, where they're the only companies in America who can just release stuff legally, even superintelligence tomorrow, you know, without having to have demonstrate any safety properties of what they do. So just treating AI companies like we treat all other companies will already solve this problem. Then we'll see an age of abundance where we continue seeing great technical innovations to make America strong and prosperous and healthy with tools. And the superintelligence madness will come to a screeching halt because no company is going to be able to demonstrate that this is a tool.

[Steve Bannon]

Are you concerned? I've got an action plan of confronting the Chinese Communist Party. Because what they throw back on you right away is that, hey, we had a Sputnik moment. This is a race for AGI and superintelligence, and it's essentially an arms race. The Chinese Communist Party is very advanced and we can't stop it. I call out that lie because they use that all the time on everything with the Chinese Communist Party. Right. And it's very. Not easy, but it's doable to decouple technologically and financially from this effort. Let's not say the whole decoupling, you can finance, you can do it from this effort. Your thoughts on that? Because we have to deal with, with a murderous dictatorship that would. If they got their hands on this, on this, on this technology. Right. They wouldn't. They wouldn't. They would use it on their own people and they would use it throughout the world. Your thoughts?

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, I put my thumb up there because you're so right that the oligarchs in San Francisco keep using China as an excuse for why they should get to do whatever they want without accountability. Right. The truth of this race is that there are two races, of course. Right? There is a race for dominance, economic and military. And the way to race that race is with tools. You don't win a race by losing control over your own tech. Right. And destroying your own country. And so this is going to continue this race to build more powerful AI tools. But in the meantime, I think both the US and China, if, if we can get, if we can perforate the lies, are going to stop pushing for superintelligence. It's. It's not. It won't come as any surprise to You, Steve, if I say that I think that the Chinese Communist Party is really into control. So the last thing they're going to tolerate is some Chinese tech company, Deep Seek or anyone else building something that. Building some super intelligence that they will lose control over and they will overthrow the Chinese Communist Party and. And the rest of Earth. Right. They're not going to allow that. And I think when we have NATSA people in the US who increasingly start to realize also that this is a national security threat to the US Government, then neither company is. Neither of these countries are going to race the superintelligence anymore, but they will continue to race the AI tools for strengthening their economies and their militaries.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I'm actually a belt and I'm a belt and suspenders guy. We got to cut them. I hear you. In an irrational world, but oftentimes the ccp, and particularly she and these guys are not particularly rational. You see, some of the efforts are taken against us, but I hear you, but that's what we got to do, too. Number one, we need to stop. They only exist as a technological threat to the United States because of the money and the technology and the training we give the Chinese Communist Party. Full stop. Max, where do people go to learn more about this? Where they go more to learn more about our efforts going forward?

[Max Tegmark]

Sir, anyone who shares our concern here with what these tech companies are doing can go to superintelligence statement.org not.com superintelligence.org and join as a signatory. Because if we. What we want to do first is to show the world that this is not something we Americans want.

[Steve Bannon]

Great effort so far. It's one of the top stories on every paper in the country and the world. Thank you, sir. Look forward to having you back on here, Max.

[Max Tegmark]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Thank you, brother. Short commercial break. I got Thayer. Brandon Weickert's going to join me. Joel is going to stick around. Technology, the Chinese Communist Party and the United States government. How about that? How is it like that thing?

[Mike Lindell]

Pretty broad.

[Steve Bannon]

Take down the ccp. Let's decouple for a short break.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band Foreign.

[Steve Bannon]

Brandon Weichard, into the conversation. Brandon, the book you wrote on space is how many years old came out during Trump's first term. Right?

[Brandon Weichert]

Yes. It was written in 2019 and published in the middle of COVID so 2020.

[Steve Bannon]

But you're one of the thinkers that really got President Trump and behind the scenes, one of the thinkers that got President Trump thinking about a space command and how important it was.

[Brandon Weichert]

Absolutely.

[Steve Bannon]

The space is obviously suborbital space, the race against the Chinese Communist Party. And folks, just remember President Trump is trying to negotiate with them. Now it's up in the air whether he's going to meet. You know, it's kind of a roll of the iron dice. The Chinese Communist Party has come and put a knife to the throat of the United States of America with these heavy rare earths. They understand that what the globalist elite in our country did was allow our processing capability to basically be bought by the Chinese Communist Party, I think out of Ohio in 2015 and shipped to China. So they process all the heavy, the magnets and all these things you need for a production capability to run a production line. And they put a knife. And President Trump is trying to fight back by doing other strategic efforts. The high ground in this war of the future is going to be space. Now, my problem is you've got a guy, this guy Isaacson, I think it is. They're trying to. Elon is trying to force his buddy in to run NASA because right now we have a national security problem. That's problem is, and I set aside the fact that people know that Elon Musk and I go at it all the time and he always loses. Right when he's out of the government. Doge was a joke. I told everybody it was a joke. It's been, you know, Russ votes the real deal. This guy's a clown. He wasted seven months telling President Trump, I'm getting a trillion dollars of cuts. He ended up with zero. Okay? All the tech bros, all the Elon Musk bros. Ended up with zero. And now he has 97% of the launches from NASA and he wants to put his buddy into NASA so he can get 99%. It's a national security problem. We have one company, a private company, and President Trump, who's the ultimate dealmaker and took 10% of Intel. President Trump, 100% of SpaceX is funded by taxpayers. Why don't we own 50% of the company? You did a great job on Intel. This guy. It's a $380 billion valuation which him and his shareholders own on 100% government contracts, virtually all of NASA's launches. It just can't Continue. We have to spread out for a national security, for our own national security. We have to get other launch companies to get some of the expertise. And the biggest thing is this race to the moon, back to the moon where the Chinese Communist Party is going full bent. We're now years late and it won't even happen on President Trump's watch because Elon's got it and with no competition, he can just. It's a $4 billion thing, contract, right. 2.8 billion has been spent and they're just kind of tapping along. So number one, we must broaden out immediately the number of companies that get access to these launches. Number two, Isaacson, who's a radical left wing, Trump hating Democrat, and I don't care how many times it shows up at the, at the White House today groveling that he's maga, he's not maga and it's a disaster to put this guy in here because he's a radical Democrat who was supporting people all the way up to the evening of four, November of 2024. And number three is President Trump's done such a magnificent job on really getting the American, the United States interest in companies that were given massive contracts to. Why are we not taking 50% of SpaceX? Look, I've called to nationalize it for the simple reason is that it's 100% financed by the NASA contracts or other DOD contracts. Brandon, how far off base am I in this? Sir, you're the expert.

[Brandon Weichert]

Well, I would just say, I understand what you're saying, but I think nationalization is a bad move only because, you know, we basically had a nationalized space sector for 50 years and the best we could do was pop off a few shuttles into the orbit around Earth. We need to go bigger. And, and you know, setting aside the issues with Elon, he's very erratic. We know this. The fact is Space X has been highly.

[Mike Lindell]

Hold it. But.

[Steve Bannon]

Hold it, hold it, Hang on, hang on. Stop, stop. You say very erratic. He made a comment on Twitter when he was having the fallout with Trump that I'm just going to throw my toys out of the cram and we won't do any launches.

[Brandon Weichert]

I got it.

[Steve Bannon]

This, this is a central. And I understand your thing about nationalization, but I don't know, give us a little something, let us wet our beak. How about 50%? President Trump got an amazing deal with intel. What about 50%? But the central issue that's fine. Is the assortment of the contracts. He, right now he gets 97% of the launches. Am I incorrect on that?

[Brandon Weichert]

He gets the bulk, Majority of them, yes. And I would say that from a national security perspective, just like with investing, you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket when you're investing. It's the same thing here. And I would say that SpaceX has been critical for lowering launch costs overall, which is key for making space more open. But now we need to create, build off of that and create an ecosystem, Steve, not just SpaceX, include Blue Origin, include Rocket Lab. Also let's get some of our foreign partners. The Japanese have some really innovative stuff they're doing the Indians as well. You know, the Australians are doing some cool stuff with hypersonics. We can start a couple creating an ecosystem of systems that will keep us ahead in the space race. But I just want to make it clear we do have to do this very gingerly, only because the window right now is so tight. If we negate our only real silver bullet in the space race, which is the ability to easily launch reusable rockets whenever we need to, if we negate that by going too hard at SpaceX, then we're going to basically neuter ourselves. As China and Russia are both rising to dominate the, the Earth Moon system. And that's the key, the Earth Moon system. You have to understand it from the strategic high ground perspective.

[Steve Bannon]

Help me out here about missing this launch. Now, of the $4 billion contract thing to go to the moon, 2.8 has been spent. It's been tapped along. Now it's going to be after President Trump's. Well, of course President Trump's still going to be president in 2028, but according to the popular press he's not. But we've tapped this thing dangerously long. Why is that? Is Elon just not focus is it was. I think that's focus was the time time at Doge.

[Brandon Weichert]

So the, the official. Yeah, yeah. The officials reason had to do with. They said it was an issue with the ground systems, basically the physical system on the ground that provides the launch capability. They said they're having technical issues with it. Other times they've missed the window. They blamed it on, you know, the weather. At the bottom line though, the end of the day, I personally think it's because Elon was distracted with all this political stuff. I think Elon is at his best when he's focused on Space X and when he's not dealing with any of the political guff. And in fact, in some ways the political guff has hurt SpaceX because when he was too close to Trump. Biden went after him. And now that he's too close to Trump or now that he's not that he's moving away from Trump, obviously that also alienates the current administration. So he needs to stay focused because this is the problem with relying on only one real player, SpaceX. If the leader goes, goes off the rails, then we lose that capability. And that's why we need an ecosystem. And this is why Duffy is correct when he says we need competition, not just Space X. As much as I enjoy SpaceX shot.

[Steve Bannon]

Look, we're not, I'm not denigrating Space X.

[Max Tegmark]

Sure.

[Steve Bannon]

I'm saying you need more competition. Hell, I'm not denigrating it. I want to own 50% of it. Okay, we want a piece. No, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Give these government contracts out. He's doing financings at a three hundred and eighty billion dollar valuation.

[Brandon Weichert]

I think there's a conversation for the area. I agree.

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[Steve Bannon]

I just don't want it to.

[Brandon Weichert]

I just don't want. I just don't want it to hurt innovation. I do not want it to hurt.

[Steve Bannon]

When you, I use the N word. Nationalization. Of course. Brandon.

[Brandon Weichert]

Maybe we just get a. Maybe we just get a little percentage.

[Steve Bannon]

A little percentage? 50 we'll start. President Trump's the master negotiator. Let's start at 50 and work our way up.

[Brandon Weichert]

But look, Elon, Elon has done some good though and we shouldn't, we shouldn't forget that. And I say this as somebody who's been critical of him on other issues. But SpaceX, he's really good on.

[Steve Bannon]

Listen, I, look, he has been, I think terrific about SpaceX. The problem is you can't put your eggs in all one basket.

[Brandon Weichert]

I agree.

[Steve Bannon]

You got to spread the. No, no contractor should ever have 97% of something. You, you have to spread your eggs in the basket.

[Brandon Weichert]

And this was the big pull of SpaceX initially when they went against United Launch alliance, which was the Boeing, Lockheed. Exactly. Conglomerate in 2010. And Musk was 100% right when he said you can't just rely on these guys. We got to get other players. But we should take Musk's advice and get other players besides Space X as well.

[Steve Bannon]

Sean Duffy has been a hero in this thing. You also can't put this Isaac man, you can't put his buddy. You can't put Elon's bestie in with, with this. We killed it one time, we're going to have to kill it again. Right.

[Brandon Weichert]

I will say Isaac, man, I don't think he's one of us politically, and that is always a concern. But Isaacman is somebody who is an expert in the field. I like Duffy, but you know, I wish that we could get an actual astronaut who's not a crazy liberal to. To lead the organization. I'm very concerned about certain things they're talking about doing with NASA, such as putting it under Duffy's okay, but Sean.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, but shot but Sean. Hang on, Sean. Duffy's not saying he's going to run NASA.

[Max Tegmark]

No.

[Steve Bannon]

I got to look for someone. So. So I agree.

[Brandon Weichert]

I agree.

[Steve Bannon]

He's fighting a tough fight because remember he is all of them on Capitol Hill and the administration, they're all afraid of Elon's money. This is why they didn't back us on H1BS. Why was it war room had to go out and remember he was going to die on this hill. He was going to die in the cell.

[Brandon Weichert]

He told us virtually our faces, remember?

[Steve Bannon]

Exactly. He was not shy about it.

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[Steve Bannon]

And now he's on the. Now we're on the. We've changed the program so much. We're on the. We're on the point of. Of actually destroying H1BS. Anyway, Weikart, you and I have a lot more to talk about on hemispheric defense. You've been a great writer across biohacks space if people want to find out some of this and obviously updates that. Weichert is going to cite the book Space is extraordinary kicking off point and really it really got winning space and got the argument going about setting up a space force. Brandon, where do people go for your content, sir?

[Brandon Weichert]

Well, you can find me on Twitter X which is owned by Elon at we the Brandon. And you can find me also I have a Show now with AmericaOutloud News and they air it on iHeart every Wednesday called the National Security Hour.

[Steve Bannon]

Good. Fantastic, sir. Good having you on here.

[Brandon Weichert]

Thanks for having me, Steve. Talk to you soon.

[Steve Bannon]

Is Senator Hawley. Do we have. Okay, maybe we don't care. Thayer. The Committee on the Present Danger. China. We set this up years ago to warn the American people on technology and issues like this. The Chinese Communist Party is a mortal threat to their own people. Lao Baijang. Right. And they're a mortal threat to the American people and they're a mortal threat to mankind overall. Right. So in space is another example. They're throwing tons and they don't care if their people eat or don't eat. They don't care if that hundred million they still have an abject poverty. Ever get out of abject poverty? Because they want to go to the Moon. Because in the Earth moon system, that to them is the high ground. Low orbital space is a. Not the highest ground, but it's high ground. They want to dominate this planet and they're putting everything, whether it's artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, quantum computing, you name it. But their goal is to eliminate the United States of America. Am I incorrect, sir?

[Bradley Thayer]

No, Steve, that's spot on. That's exactly right. And so when we're dealing with the ccp, we need to recognize, of course, that per the earlier conversation, right, the enemy gets a vote. Xi Jinping needs artificial intelligence, and he's going to pursue it unless he thinks it threatens the party's control. Secondly, he's going to dominate space. Brandon mentioned the strategic reason. That's certainly the case. There's also the military role that the Moon is going to play. And then thirdly, there's the political role that this plays. It shows the legitimacy of the CCP to dominate the Moon, to do what the Soviets couldn't do by putting a Tychonaut on the moon. Of course, while the Soviets were never able to put a cosmonaut, they just put the robots on the moon and then as a segue to Mars. Right, because the CCP does not accept Outer Space Treaty. They're going to own the moon and they're going to own Mars. And then, Steve, finally, I think it would be, you know, now is the time to move on AI as well as space, but especially AI because if it's not the nose that we were talking about earlier, no students, no chips. If this isn't done now to cut Xi Jinping off from this, it's too late to do it. And I would like to have leaders like Elon Musk running our. If he's running our space program. I would like a leader who only has America's interests in mind, not somebody who's going to have interests in this with the, the survival of the ccp. And Jensen Huang of Nvidia, right, he's also got mixed motives. I mean, that guy is, as we've.

[Steve Bannon]

Talked about before, another agent and influence. Hang on for a second there. Hang on for one second. Just hang on. We're gonna go to break.

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[Steve Bannon]

The truth became a web of lies.

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It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.

[Steve Bannon]

Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?

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Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.

[Mike Lindell]

We kill the ambassador just to cover something up. You put two and two together.

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[Senator Josh Hawley]

Benghazi is a Rosetta Stone for everything that's been going on for the last 20 years.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

Thayer, we gotta go. This afternoon we're also going to talk about thwarting the Chinese Communist Party in the race for AGI. It's outrageous that American companies and American capital are still in business with them. Sequoia Capital, all these guys. Okay. It's greed and avarice. What's your. What are your coordinates there? And we haven't even gotten to my favorite topic. Irish. And what's happening in Ireland. But I promise we're gonna. We're gonna get it all done, brother. Where they go.

[Brandon Weichert]

Sure.

[Bradley Thayer]

But you know, we can't have leaders in space or in AI who've got vested interests in the ccp. Survival.

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[Bradley Thayer]

And success. At the end of the day, just Brad Thayer X and Bradley Thayer and Getter and True. Thanks a lot, Steve, for covering this.

[Steve Bannon]

See, Dr. Thayer has what we call range in the business. When we get to Irish situation in Ireland. Cultural natural nationalism which you're trying to thwart. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you.

[Bradley Thayer]

Thanks.

[Steve Bannon]

Joe.

[Brandon Weichert]

You're.

[Steve Bannon]

You're my lead. You're my lead sled dog on. On all things AI. Where do people go?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Go to at J, O, E, B, O, T, X, Y, Z. On X and Getter. As long as I'm on X, I may be locked out very soon.

[Mike Lindell]

Where?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

My website, JoeBot XYZ. I've got a big lecture circuit coming up beginning on Friday. It's right at the top.

[Steve Bannon]

Where are you going Friday?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Friday I will be in Fort Myers, Florida. Florida Citizens Alliance.

[Mike Lindell]

Wow.

[Steve Bannon]

Amazing. When that thing is sold out yet?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

I hope so.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

If it's not, it will be in about five minutes.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay. I want everybody down there to see Joe Allen. Amazing. His. His understanding and knowledge of AI is quite extraordinary in the impact of our country, in particular our citizens and particularly kids. Unbelievable. Joe, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you so much for working with Max Tegmor and the great guys there at MIT and Max's Institute for Life. Steve, Mike Lindell. Senator Hawley is supposed to be here. I know. He's running late. They got hearings. Everything going on. Sell me a pillow, brother. Since you're going to put on hold your governor's race right now to sell us some pillows, what do you got for us?

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Promo code WAR. I'll see. Okay, I'll see you tonight, Mike. Thank you so much, brother. We'll talk about your Christian network of helping people that are in trouble either with addictions and or other issues. Senator Hawley, a huge day in artificial intelligence. I know you're one of the ones working on this shutdown. Can you give us an update on the shutdown for us? I think we're winning the shutdown. And if they want illegal aliens to get paid by the United States government as much as we're in debt, I think the Warren posse would tell you we got your back. We're a hard no. Can you get us up to speed?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Yeah, I will. I think the Democrats are right in the same position you just outlined, Steve, which is they want money going to illegals. They don't want health care for our veterans. You go to the VA right now, if you're a veteran, you're going to find all kinds of stuff shut down. Why? Because the Democrats would rather give money to illegals than pay our veterans who bled for this country. And that's it in a nutshell. And that's their position. So I hope sooner or later they'll come to their senses and they'll realize, you know what? This is the wrong thing. It's the wrong thing to tell American citizens who paid their taxes, who have served this nation that we're just going to Screw you. In order to pursue some far left wing agenda. But that's where they are right now. And I tell you, Senator Hawley, just.

[Steve Bannon]

No, just real quickly, is there anything to negotiate? They keep on us all day long. He's got an. Is there in your mind right now, Is there anything to negotiate, sir?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, listen, here's what I say to them and all the Dems who say we need a negotiation. Make the President an offer. You've got the President in office right now, who is the ultimate dealmaker. He's the best deal maker in the Oval Office, in my lifetime, maybe ever. I mean, I don't know who would surpass him in terms of his record. You want to make a deal, take him a deal. They're not doing that, though, Steve. That's a talking point. They're not doing it. They're not saying, okay, here's what we want. What they're out there doing is trashing Trump, complaining about the ballroom at the White House and whatever else while they're denying veterans health care benefits. I mean, come on. I think people see through this.

[Steve Bannon]

What's your message to the. To the President and our audience only got a couple minutes. I know you've been in hearings and meetings. What's your message to the President of the United States about this situation?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, I think he's doing the right thing. I mean, this is a guy who's paying the military, he's paying our law enforcement, he's paying border patrol. The only reason any of these people are getting paid is because Donald Trump is finding every avenue that he can to try to get paychecks to our folks who are out there wearing the uniform, keeping us safe. I mean, so my message to him is thank you. I mean, thank you for doing that. Thank you for standing up for our people, for the American people as the Democrats who would rather shut down the entire government than pay an ICE agent. They would rather shut down the entire government than build the border wall. They'd rather shut down an entire government than stop illegals from getting Medicaid. I mean, it just shows you where their priorities are.

[Steve Bannon]

We know that. We hear that some. Some of the rhinos are getting wobbly. What's the message to the posse of what we need to do from. With your guidance over the next couple of days?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Well, I just think the message is, listen, we got to draw a line on the sand, on never giving health care money that the American people need and have paid for to illegal aliens. We've got to draw a line in the sand that we're going to fully fund ice, we're going to fully fund the Border patrol. We're not going to accept cutbacks on any of those areas. We're going to stand firm and defend our military, defend our law enforcement and make sure that our people who need these services, our veterans, our seniors, get what they have been paying for their whole lives. I mean that's the real injustice here is our seniors, our veterans who paid into these programs their whole life now can't get them. Why? Because the Democrats don't like Donald Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

Senator Hawley, what are your coordinates? Where do people go to find out more about you?

[Senator Josh Hawley]

Josh hawley.com and you can find me on the social media platforms at hollyknow.

[Steve Bannon]

We're going to track you down later, maybe get you back on here in the next couple days on artificial intelligence because you're the leader of the fight. Thank you sir.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Mike Lindell]

Clock.

[Steve Bannon]

We're already loaded for bear. You do not want to miss the 5 o' clock show and we'll see you back here at 5pm Eastern Daylight Time when you will be back in the war room.

[Senator Josh Hawley]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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