THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4911)

Summary

Real America’s Voice: THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4911)

Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Claire Dooley (standing in on location at the CHD Conference, Austin, TX)
Featured Guests: Mike Howell, Brian Hooker, Andy Wakefield, Polly Tommey, Brian Burrows, Chip Roy, Del Bigtree

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Main Theme:

This special episode broadcasts live from the Children's Health Defense (CHD) Conference in Austin, Texas, centering on the long-term impact and controversy of the film Vaxxed, as well as current issues surrounding government shutdown, vaccine policy, and health freedom in the US. It features first-hand accounts from key players in the vaccine debate, as well as updated perspectives on political battles in Washington.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Government Shutdown Analysis with Mike Howell

Timestamps: [04:02–09:07]

• Topic: Senate negotiations to end the government shutdown—Democratic proposals to extend ACA tax credits (Obamacare) and Republican resistance.
• Key Points:
  • Senate Democrats proposed reopening the government if Republicans agree to a one-year ACA extension.
  • Mike Howell characterizes the deal as a political nonstarter for Republicans:

    "He basically said, we'll reopen the government if you extend Obamacare. I don't know in what world anyone thinks a victory for Obama is going to get us out of the shutdown." ([04:44], Mike Howell)

  • President Trump is pressuring Republicans to end the filibuster to secure a deal.
  • Friction within the GOP—Howell laments that many endorsed by Trump are not supporting his position now:

    "You got to dance with the girl you brought to prom, and unfortunately, a lot of people at this prom are not on President Trump's side." ([05:30], Mike Howell)

  • Howell predicts the shutdown will drag on, exposing party divisions and GOP struggles to deliver substantive wins:

    "It's time we actually get people in D.C. who stand for the things they say on the campaign trail and just not incumbents that can benefit from all of this to just stay in the swamp forever." ([06:57], Mike Howell)

  • Republicans should use their leverage: Democrats' core constituencies are more affected by the shutdown's impact.
• Ending Note:
  Howell shares his social media:

  "I'm on X @mhowtweets. The oversight project is at itsyourgov. Give us a follow." ([08:57])

2. Revisiting Vaxxed: The CDC Whistleblower and the MMR Controversy

Timestamps: [09:07–16:11], [21:54–29:53]

• Background: 10 years since release of Vaxxed; discussion with scientist Brian Hooker and filmmaker/physician Andy Wakefield.
• How Vaxxed Originated:
  • Based on revelations from CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson, who contacted Brian Hooker about a coverup of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.
  • Hooker recounts:

    "He revealed to me that the CDC had been covering up the fact that there was a link between the MMR vaccine, the timing of the MMR vaccine, and autism." ([10:01], Brian Hooker)

  • Andy Wakefield provides context: prior speculation about “age of exposure,” and how CDC studied then publicly denied a vaccine-autism link, only for the whistleblower to later contradict this claim.

    "They went away and they tested it ... 14 years after they published a negative paper saying there was no association ... then Brian Hooker came on the scene and the whole thing changed." ([12:04], Andy Wakefield)

  • Hooker's independent analysis suggested African American boys were significantly more likely to be diagnosed with autism if vaccinated on schedule (before age 3), as opposed to delayed:

    "Those that received the vaccine on time were three and a half times more likely to get an autism diagnosis than those where they just merely waited until they were three years of age." ([13:04], Brian Hooker)

  • Wakefield: The CDC, according to the whistleblower, withheld this information to protect the vaccination program, not children's safety:

    "The public no longer trusts them ... they committed a terrible fraud. And to protect the program, not to protect the children, to protect the program." ([13:33], Andy Wakefield)

• Making the Film:
  • Hooker explains reaching out to Wakefield for guidance (“You are the MMR guy, I do not know what I'm doing here. Does this make any sense to you?” [15:09]), leading to recorded interviews and the eventual movie.
  • Wakefield: No lawsuits for defamation suggest the film spoke truths the system did not want aired.

3. Vaxxed: Cultural Impact & Suppression

Timestamps: [23:26–25:51]

• The Tribeca Film Festival Censorship:
  • Wakefield describes the film's initial acceptance and subsequent removal from Tribeca, generating widespread attention (“We call it the De Niro effect ... it became a worldwide phenomenon.” [25:27], Andy Wakefield)
  • Robert De Niro publicly stated regret at the film's removal and encouraged people to see it for themselves.
• Scope of Harm:
  • Brian Hooker quantifies: The delay in acknowledging findings “would have prevented a quarter of a million autism cases in African American males … and that’s a conservative figure.” ([25:59])
  • Severity: Describes the impacted children as severely disabled (“This is profound autism ... children that will need a lifetime of care ... will never be able to … go to school ... get married or have children.” [26:44], Brian Hooker)

4. Follow-up Films and the Growth of the Health Freedom Movement

Timestamps: [43:16–46:16]

• The Emergence of Vaxxed II and III:
  • Brian Burrows and Polly Tommey discuss how Vaxxed united disparate factions in the health freedom and vaccine-skeptical communities:

    "It just kind of brought everybody together and everybody started fighting on the same team ... we gained tons and tons of momentum." ([43:43], Brian Burrows)

  • Polly Tommey on touring the country, hearing hundreds of stories of vaccine injury, discovering the scope spanned many shots, not just MMR:

    "There is no such thing as a safe and effective vaccine." ([45:41], Polly Tommey) "Vax1 gave us the opportunity to make Vax2 which was about telling the stories of the American families who were injured." ([46:02])

5. The Political Angle: Congressman Chip Roy on Shutdown and Health Policy

Timestamps: [37:31–42:11]

• Health Freedom and Vaccine Policy:
  • Roy distances himself from the “anti-vax” label, stating:

    "My dad had polio. Like, I'm far from anti vax ... getting to the truth and getting to know what's actually happening and testing this stuff is critically important." ([37:50], Chip Roy)

  • On Democrats’ shutdown proposals:

    "[It's] just a fricking joke ... $400 billion in the pocket of insurers ... it's a terrible offer and it should be rejected out of hand." ([38:24])

  • Advocates for “healthcare freedom”—empowering patients and doctors rather than insurance companies:

    "Healthcare freedom means patients and doctors are in charge, not the bureaucrats in Washington." ([39:20])

  • Calls for Republicans to play hardball, propose proactive bills, and “go on offense”:

    "We should go on offense and make Democrats respond rather than playing defense." ([41:10], Chip Roy)

6. Del Bigtree: From Hollywood Producer to Health Freedom Activist

Timestamps: [50:14–55:47]

• Del Bigtree’s Journey:
  • Describes his path from mainstream medical TV (“The Doctors,” “Dr. Phil”) to vaccine advocacy post-Vaxxed.
  • He realized upon touring state capitols, “it wasn't just autism ... people were saying, my baby died after a flu shot. My teenage daughter was paralyzed after a Gardasil vaccine. I wanted to get to the bottom of that.” ([52:58])
  • Formed the High Wire and began suing for vaccine safety data.
• Motivation and Philosophy:
  • “At the tip of the spear of all freedom, if we do not control what goes into our body and the bodies of our children, we are not free.” ([54:04], Del Bigtree)
  • Now supports Robert Kennedy Jr. in public office (“I was director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. when he ran for president. I think he's doing a great job at HHS.” [54:44])

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Notable Quotes (Speaker & Timestamp Attributed)

• “He basically said, we'll reopen the government if you extend Obamacare. I don't know in what world anyone thinks a victory for Obama is going to get us out of the shutdown.”
  — Mike Howell ([04:44])
• “It's time we actually get people in D.C. who stand for the things they say on the campaign trail and just not incumbents that can benefit from all of this to just stay in the swamp forever.”
  — Mike Howell ([06:57])
• “Those that received the vaccine on time were three and a half times more likely to get an autism diagnosis than those where they just merely waited until they were three years of age.”
  — Brian Hooker ([13:04])
• “The public no longer trusts them ... they committed a terrible fraud. And to protect the program, not to protect the children, to protect the program.”
  — Andy Wakefield ([13:33])
• “We call it the De Niro effect ... it became a worldwide phenomenon.”
  — Andy Wakefield ([25:27])
• "If the CDC would have been forthcoming ... it would have prevented a quarter of a million autism cases in African American males. And that's a conservative figure."
  — Brian Hooker ([25:59])
• "This is profound autism. ... Many of them, like my son, don't speak. ... None of them will essentially go on and get married and have children. This is severe regressive autism."
  — Brian Hooker ([26:44])
• "There is no such thing as a safe and effective vaccine."
  — Polly Tommey ([45:41])
• "Healthcare freedom means patients and doctors are in charge, not the bureaucrats in Washington."
  — Chip Roy ([39:20])
• “At the tip of the spear of all freedom, if we do not control what goes into our body and the bodies of our children, we are not free.”
  — Del Bigtree ([54:04])

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Resource Links & Where to Follow the Guests

• Mike Howell: X @mhowtweets, Oversight Project @itsyourgov
• Brian Hooker: childrenshealthdefense.org, CHD TV show “Doctors and Scientists” (Fridays), X @BrianHookerPhD
• Andy Wakefield: wakefieldmediagroup.com
• Polly Tommey & Brian Burrows: CHD TV (10am ET/9am CT, 7 days/week), Tommy Burrows Productions, Children’s Health Defense
• Del Bigtree: thehighwire.com, icandecide.org, aninconveniencestudy.com
• Chip Roy: chiproy.com, X @chiproytx

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Conclusion and Tone

• The episode provides an insider’s view into the ongoing CHD Conference, blending personal narratives from the vaccine debate with current political analysis of Washington’s shutdown drama. The guests share strong, impassioned arguments against mainstream narratives on vaccines and government health policy, emphasizing individual empowerment, “health freedom,” and distrust in legacy institutions. The tone is assertive, activist, and at times, deeply personal—framed as a movement for truth, transparency, and accountability.

End Note:
Next, Polly Tommey, Brian Burrows, and others will delve deeper into the filmmaking process and their personal journeys in the health freedom movement during the remainder of the CHD Conference.

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This is the primal scream of a dying regime.

[Brian Hooker]

Pray for our enemies because we're going.

[Chip Roy]

Medieval on these people.

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[Chip Roy]

All these networks lying about the people.

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The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

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I know you try to do everything.

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In the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

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[Claire Dooley]

Good evening. My name is Claire Dooley. We're live from the CHD Conference in Austin, Texas. Today is November 7, 2025, year of our Lord. Before we get started with some of our guests from the Children's Self Defense Conference, I wanted to actually bring in Mike Howell to talk a bit about the government shutdown. Mike, thanks for joining us.

[Mike Howell]

Hey, thanks for having me.

[Claire Dooley]

Thank you so much. So let's talk a little bit about this new article that we just had come up. I think we saw that on cnn. I don't know if we have it, but we wanted to talk about the government shutdown when it comes to the latest updates.

[Mike Howell]

Yeah, so Schumer put out a, what I guess people are going to call a. A offer. It's not much of a deal. If we were playing Deal or no Deal, I think you'd smack that no deal button pretty hard. He basically said, we'll reopen the government if you extend Obamacare. I don't know in what world anyone thinks a victory for Obama is going to get us out of the shutdown. It seems that every Republican on the Senate side has completely rejected it. But working on the other side of this equation, obviously, is President Trump calling for Republicans to end the filibuster, to reopen the government unless they can secure a deal, and they shouldn't leave town. So they do that. So pause right there and say, he controls the faa. If you wanted to shut down airspace over dca, he could do that. So that could be an interesting plot twist. But look, the Republican senators, they're not going to end the filibuster. I think we all know this. This is the same kind of contingent that stood by Mitch McConnell for, for so long, you got to dance with the girl you brought to prom. And unfortunately, a lot of people at this prom are not on President Trump's side. And even more unfortunately, a lot of them have been endorsed by President Trump over the course of their careers. And you look at, you know, the primaries coming down the pike and it's the same cast of characters, whether it's, you know, Lindsey Graham or types like him that'll still get the Trump endorsement, but not do what he says here. It's mind boggling.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. In your opinion, what do you think is going to come of this?

[Mike Howell]

Yeah, I think the government will remain shut down for much longer. I don't see a path out of this. I don't think they have the votes on the filibuster. And I don't think after, you know, however long it's been, Republicans can look American people in the eyes and be like, this is what we fought for. We fought to extend Obamacare. For you, that's a political loser. Another element of this is the shutdown, you know, does have bad effects for rolling the agenda out. And so what we're really seeing now is the exposure of a massive divide in the Republican Party that's playing out in a lot of stories right now, by the way. There are people trying to wait out President Trump who hate the America first agenda, but are happy to have America first consultants and, you know, pollsters try to help them speak it so they can stay in the Senate and now, you know, live President Trump's administration. But that's where we're at. We can expect much more of it. It's time we actually get people in D.C. who stand for the things they say on the campaign trail and just not incumbents that can benefit from all of this to just stay in the swamp forever. It's getting old. Everyone's sick of it. Everyone is. There's a reason why Congress has the approval rating. It does.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. I think that moving forward, what do you see as, you know, perhaps a solution or when it comes to, and you mentioned Obamacare and, you know, if we were to settle on this decision or the proposal that Democrats have put forward. You know, what do you see as an ideal situation where Republicans could, you know, walk out of this with something valuable?

[Mike Howell]

I think Republicans need to take advantage of the leverage that they have right now. I mean, like, the Democratic constituencies depend on, you know, the federal government being open more than the Republicans. I mean, you're looking at Democrats cause chaos that they shut down the government. Flights are being canceled, snapspot being rolled out. And so Democrats should have to live with those consequences should they actually come to pass in full steam. It's going to get worse, and Democrats are going to go on camera and explain why they won't just reauthorize, you know, a clean CR and keep this thing open. And so the momentum will swing over time. Obviously, Democrats just want to deal right now because they feel like they have this momentum with that commie Zoran up in New York there. They're saying it's a referendum on Trump when it's really a referendum on the United States of America that we let so much immigration into this country that we have communist mayors in New York. That, that aside, I think, you know, Russ votes got to Cook, got a lot, you know, him off the chain. Let the rifts go up and start really taking advantage of the situation. And I don't think Democrats are going to sit, buy and watch all that happen. And they'll come to the table for a clean deal because they'll have to.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. Mike, thank you so much for giving us a little update on this. Can you please tell our viewers how they can find you and, you know, get more updates on you?

[Mike Howell]

Absolutely. I'm on x@mhow tweets. The oversight project is at itsyourgov. Give us a follow. We'd appreciate it.

[Claire Dooley]

Thank you so much, Mike. You guys, hold on. Later on, we'll have Chip Roy joining us talking more about this. But in the meantime, I actually have two guests that I have been working with for a long time here with me. Brian Hooker and Andy Wakefield. Welcome to the show.

[Brian Hooker]

Well, thank you so much for having us, Claire. It's so good to be here.

[Andy Wakefield]

Great to be here, Claire. Thank you.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. So for those who don't know, there's a film called Vax that came out about 10 years ago, and these two people were a key part of this film. In my opinion. It's the reason why I am here today. So I wanted to actually start with Brian, and I wanted you to tell us a little bit about, you know, what the Vax movie is about where did the information come from?

[Brian Hooker]

Well, I was a university professor at Small University in Northern California. And In November of 2013, I received a phone call from a senior epidemiologist from the CDC DC his name is Dr. William Thompson. And I, because of my son's own vaccine injury, I had been investigating the CDC for many, many years. But Dr. Thompson actually called me as a whistleblower and we started talking. And over, you know, a few phone conversations and lots and lots of emails, he revealed to me that the CDC had been covering up the fact that that there was a link between the MMR vaccine, the timing of the MMR vaccine, and autism. And so over a period of about 10 months time, Dr. Thompson revealed to me many, many secrets about the immunization safety office of the cdc. And then that became the basis of the movie Vax From COVID up to Catastrophe.

[Claire Dooley]

And you know, whenever you watch that movie, there was actually a couple interesting data points, especially about African American males. But I know, Andy, before we actually came on, we were talking a little bit about how that study actually came about. Was there more of it you wanted to talk about with that?

[Andy Wakefield]

Sure. Just to sort of set the scene, back in 2000, I was invited to a meeting with the CDC and the FDA and NIH at Cold Spring Harbor. And they said, look, Dr. Wakefield, every kid gets the MMR vaccine, only some develop autism. How do you account for that? Well, that's just medicine. A lot of people smoke, some develop lung cancer. But I said, one of the variables that we think is important is age of exposure, the age at which you get the vaccine. The younger you get it, the greater the risk of autism. Why? Because we know with natural measles, age of exposure is an important determinant of outcome. If you get it under one or you get it later in life, after 50, the outcome is more severe. Now, people are very familiar with this. Now with COVID they know that older people are more susceptible to Covid. So people are familiar, but they weren't then. So the CDC said, okay, we'll test that hypothesis. And they went away and they tested it. And for 14 years after they published a negative paper saying there was no association, we all lived in ignorance. Then Brian Hooker came on the scene and the whole thing changed.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. Go ahead.

[Andy Wakefield]

Yeah.

[Brian Hooker]

What I was able to do was through Dr. Thompson, I was able to obtain the data directly from the CDC that was used as a basis of the study. And by merely comparing children who received the MMR on time, this was primarily African American males that received the MMR vaccine on time versus those where the MMR vaccine was delayed until after three years of age. We found that, that those that received the vaccine on time were three and a half times more likely to get an autism diagnosis than those where they just merely waited until they were three years of age. And so the rates of autism in African American males, if they just simply waited until that three year time point, then dropped dramatically.

[Andy Wakefield]

The significance of this, Claire, is that for 14 years they knew and they put millions of American children at risk of serious permanent neurological disease to protect public confidence in vaccine policymakers. And they wonder why we are in such a mess right now. The public no longer trusts them and the public has no right to no longer trust them because they committed a terrible fraud. And to protect the program, not to protect the children, to protect the program. And that's an absolute disgrace.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah. Actually, remember one of the segments I worked on for CHGTV was the simpsonwood meetings. If you look up those documents and what the people said in those meetings when they basically said, you know, we're talking about our grandchildren, we're talking about our kids, you know, these people were making decisions, basically committing fraud, but then going home and deciding they weren't going to vaccinate their kid or they were going to withhold the MMR vaccine until 3. But they weren't advising the American people against that. So we're going to have about, you know, two more minutes. I just wanted to wrap up before we run into the next break, but I want to talk about how the vaxed movie. How did you guys get together? How did you hear about this? We'll start with that.

[Brian Hooker]

Well, I actually contacted Andy while I was still working with the CDC whistleblower. And I had primarily been researching thimerosal, the mercury containing preservative that used to be in many of the vaccines. And still, you know, up to this point has been in the flu shot that they gave it in pregnant women. But I was no expert in the MMR whatsoever. And, and so I called Andy and filled him in the story of the CDC whistleblower and said, look, you are the MMR guy. I do not know what I'm doing here. Does this make any sense to you?

[Andy Wakefield]

The answer is absolutely. And we decided at that stage that we had to record the conversations. It was coming firsthand from senior scientist at the cdc. Brian, because he's more honorable than I am, was originally a little reluctant to do that, but he did it and used to drive three hours north so that he could legally record the conversations and the film came out of it. Now, people said, well, you just made that up or it was false or you. If we had committed defamation, if one word of that that film had been wrong or mistaken, we would have been sued to the moon and back again. There was not a whisper. Not a whisper because they knew that it was true.

[Claire Dooley]

It's been 10 years since that that film originally came out. Yeah. And I am just very honored to be sitting here with these two men who have made this incredible film. We can dive deeper into the conversation about it. But I just wanted to, you know, reflect on being a 15 year old going to the CDC to protest watching VAXT for the first time. When we come back from the break, we're going to show you guys the trailer. You get to see the film at a later date. We have it for free on CHD tv. So if you want to watch it there, you're, you're absolutely welcome to. And yeah, you know, I think that this is a really important conversation that needs to be happening, especially amidst the MMR scandal that's happening and has happened in Texas. And whenever people are armed with the right information, that's how we can move forward. That's all we're about here. Here at Children's Health Defense is giving people informed consent. All right, guys, we're going to have a short break and we'll be back with you soon.

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[Brian Hooker]

My phone rings and it's Dr. William Thompson.

[Chip Roy]

You and I don't know each other very well.

[Andy Wakefield]

You have a son with autism.

[Chip Roy]

And I have great shame.

[Del Bigtree]

Now there's a whistleblower from the CDC who's going to come out and say that the CDC had committed fraud on the MMR study and that they knew that vaccines were actually causing autism.

[Claire Dooley]

My oldest son, Ian was walking and running after the vaccine. He was no longer able to do that.

[Chip Roy]

So I called the clinic and I.

[Claire Dooley]

Said, I think my child's had adverse reaction to those shots.

[Andy Wakefield]

And.

[Polly Tommy]

And then came the head banging, the constant banging against anything that he could find.

[Chip Roy]

Right now I'm sitting in a very pretty position in terms of providing you a lot of information.

[Andy Wakefield]

The first thing that Thompson did was to plot a graph. Now, there's no link between early MMR and autism. Those two lines should Track together. Now they do track together until they get to 15 months, then they separate and they continue to separate thereafter. And they sliced and diced the data in an effort to get rid of that effect.

[Brian Hooker]

The relative risk of receiving an autism diagnosis was astronomical.

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Wow. The CDC had known all along there was this MMR autism risk.

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[Chip Roy]

You who run our health agencies in this country, you have an obligation to make sure that these studies are complete, thorough, so that we have all the facts. Oh, my God. I cannot believe we did what we did.

[Andy Wakefield]

But we did.

[Del Bigtree]

Omission of crucial data, destruction of documents, misleading the Congress, grievous harm to innocent children.

[Brian Hooker]

Everything I've been telling my patients for.

[Claire Dooley]

The last 10 years has been based on lie and a cover up.

[Chip Roy]

Parents should be able to count on federal agencies to tell them the truth.

[Claire Dooley]

Wow. The Vax movie was, you know, life changing for many Americans in the United States. This film is, in my opinion, one of the most important films that has ever been made. My name is Claire Dooley. I'm a documentary filmmaker. I first interacted with Steve Bannon during the trucker convoy that was protesting vaccine mandates. I was reporting live on the road for CHD TV and came on the show doing that. And now a couple years later, we're here at the Children's Health Defense Conference. Maha is blazing and I'm here with Brian Hooker, he's a scientist, and Andy Wakefield. Dr. Andy Wakefield, who was a gastroenterologist. Is that how Is that correct or is one. So I wanted to get back to the Vax movie. I want to talk a little bit more about that. These are the guys behind the movie. We have a couple others that are going to be joining us later. Polly Tommy, who's one of the characters in the movie. We're going to have Brian Burroughs and Dal Bigtree. But right now I'm sitting with Brian, I'm sitting with Andy and I want to talk a little bit about, you know, it's been 10 years since this film was made. Could you have ever known the impact? I mean, what was going through your minds as you were putting this film out? Were you thinking, you know, no one's going to listen to this? Is the public going to be receptive? And then also in the wake of what is happening today, did you ever think that we would be where we are now? If, Andy, you want to start and then we'll come to you? Brian?

[Andy Wakefield]

Sure. It was. I mean, it was going to be Dynamite. Whatever happened. And we put it in. We decided that we would put it into one film festival, and that was Tribeca, the preeminent film festival in North America, run by Robert De Niro and Jane Rosenthal. And we put it in. It got in. The film. Got in on its merits, notwithstanding the fact that Robert De Niro has got himself got a vaccine injured child with autism. And I was home one day and I got a call from Dell a few weeks later saying they pulled our film from Tribeca. I think the first time in the history of Tribeca Film Festival that a film had been censored. And they came up with some cockamamie story about why it was done. Other directors were going to pull their film from the festival if they played our movie. That is garbage. There isn't a director in the world who would pull his film from Tribeca Film Festival. On the. On a principle. They don't exist. They. Not on this planet.

[Claire Dooley]

Film festival known for. I mean, what's. What's there? Sorry, what's the Tribeca Film Festival overall vibe? You know, what kind of films go through there?

[Andy Wakefield]

Is it activist filmmaking, feature films, the whole lot, you know, the best of the best. And. And so it was a bad few days. And then Robert De Niro came out and he went on the morning show and Good Morning America, they have a week where they devote, you know, discussion about the film festival. And he said, we shouldn't have done that. We should have played that film. Everybody should see it and make up their own mind. And they tried and tried to move the conversation on to the films that did play. All he wanted to do was talk about the film that didn't play. And it blew up. It blew up worldwide. It was the most extraordinary thing. We call it the De Niro effect. And it. If it had played at Tribeca, maybe 200 people would have seen would probably come. Then it. It became a worldwide phenomenon. And I toured all over Europe with the film, and it was extraordinary. And it did, as you say, it woke so many people up to the issue because it wasn't me, and it wasn't Brian, and it wasn't Del Big Tree, the producer, giving our opinion. It was the CDC senior scientist saying, we did this. We did a terrible thing, and here is the evidence.

[Claire Dooley]

And it's sickening because it's something that affects, you know, millions of children. I mean, Brian, do you know any numbers on how many.

[Brian Hooker]

If the CDC would have been forthcoming when they found that result? And Dr. Thompson told me he'll never forget it. Was November 7, 2001, when that result first was analyzed and, you know, then told to senior CDC officials, then it would have prevented, in the timeline between that and the vax movie, it would have prevented a quarter of a million autism cases in African American males. And that's a conservative figure. And so, you know, that's like, you know, half of Sacramento, half of Austin, Texas.

[Claire Dooley]

What kind of autism are we talking about? Right. We're not talking about a couple folks who are good at math or, you know, a little quirky. Can you tell us about, you know.

[Brian Hooker]

This is profound autism. This is probably the bottom 30th to 40th percentile of autism spectrum disorders. So these are children that will need a lifetime of care. Many of them, like my son, don't speak. They don't have spoken language. Many of them will never be able to correctly use a toilet or be able to go to school. None of them will essentially go on and get married and have children. This is severe regressive autism, and it's a phenotype that we see over and over and over again.

[Claire Dooley]

And knowing that someone had the information that could have prevented this and it was withheld is a crime against humanity. I mean, there's really no other words for it. And I'm very proud to be sitting beside two of my heroes and mentors. I mean, it's. I've actually known you guys for about 10 years now. Andy, you've gone on to make several other films. I wish we had time to dive into them. But please tell everyone where they can find your. You, your website, you know, how can they get connected with you?

[Andy Wakefield]

You can go. You can see all six films that I've made at WakefieldMediaGroup.com WakefieldMediaGroup.com so please go and take a look. We've just shot a movie in Thailand, a Covid movie, another feature film. And we've got another film lined up to go. Wow.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, I can't wait to see it. I know, I know. It's been in works for a bit. And Brian, what about you? Where can people find you?

[Brian Hooker]

You can find [e-mail] I also have a show on CHD TV called Doctors and Scientists. It airs on Friday mornings. And you can find me on Twitter or x Ryan hookerphd.

[Claire Dooley]

All right, guys, so before we go, I want to know if you have any final thoughts. I know we're about to tee up the children's self defense conference. We're getting a lot of action tomorrow. Brian, is there any particular panels or discussions that you're particularly excited about hearing about.

[Brian Hooker]

Well, of course the VAX panel kicks us off tomorrow morning. And so it's a big reunion. It's like a 10 year reunion event. I'm hearkening back to, to that, that old movie, Romeo and Michelle's High School Reunion. And so I. We're not going to dress up in 80s clothes or anything like that, but we're, we're very excited to be able to see each other, to see, you know, this, this film is enduring and it was just an honor to be able to have the story told by, you know, such luminaries and have just such an awesome experience doing it.

[Claire Dooley]

Right, exactly. Actually, Andy, are you participating in the conference tomorrow or what's happening?

[Andy Wakefield]

I am about on the VAX panel and then a measles panel the following day. And we live in extraordinary times. I couldn't have imagined a year ago we'd have Bobby Kennedy in the White House and be where we are. I think we're beyond the tipping point. The last 35 years seem to have evaporated and now we're in a very different world.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, it's a very different world. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us. You know, for me, I kind of mentioned this earlier. I watched this film for the first time at 15 years old. My mom sort of bribed me to go to the CDC protest. She promised me that she would give me a pair of Doc Martens if I went. And you know, here we are. But I am so excited to be here with the movie, be here with the team behind the movie. And now here we are with RFK Jr sitting as secretary of HHS. We're trying to make America healthy again with Children's Health Defense and MAHA action. I mean, there's so many other amazing groups out there in Honeycutt with moms Across America. And I think that this is going to be a really progressive discussion moving forward. I'm really excited about the conference this weekend. All the stuff that we're going to get to see and you know, I am just very honored to be alongside these guys. Listen, next up we're gonna have Polly, Tommy and Brian Burrows, who were also a part of the VAX team. They're gonna come on and talk to us a little bit more about the making of the film. Paulie's son Billy, who was injured by the MMR vaccine, and Brian, the filmmaker who came on board even though it was, was a controversial topic. We'll be right back.

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[Claire Dooley]

Good evening. I'm here from the Children's Health Defense Conference, the Moment of Truth in Austin, Texas. I'm joined by Polly, Tommy and Brian Burrows. I don't even know how to begin to describe Polly Tomi. She's been an activist for many years for her son, her autistic son. And Brian is a filmmaker. And we just talked a little bit about the film Vaxxed From COVID up to Catastrophe. And these two amazing people who are also my heroes were on the team that made that film. So in the trailer you kind of saw a little bit about Billy, Tommy, her son. I wanted to talk with you first, Polly, about what happened to Billy.

[Polly Tommy]

Yeah, of course. Well, so I think it's really important to remember that I was extremely pro vaccine as into the point where, you know, I'd really been groomed as a young child in a British school that, you know, you obey authority, you don't question people who are brighter than you, which means if you are really, really bright and you're a really good girl, you'll grow up and be a lawyer or a doctor. So, I mean, I went to France, bought an organic crib for my child. I did all of the things to be the perfect mummy, but I didn't think once to question. And even when a friend of mine said on the day there's this doctor saying there's something wrong with the mmr, I, you know, kind of to this day we've still fallen out because she, I said, why would I question, why would I question a doctor over you? A doctor has a medical degree. I don't have a medical degree. So I think it's important people know that because they throw anti vax at us out the whole time. And you really can't call us anti vaxxers because we vaccinate ourselves and our kids. We are ex vaxxers.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, absolutely. I was actually just about to mention that, you know, that's something we say a lot. You know, you can call someone an anti vaxxer if they just completely reject all vaccines, but you, you went down that. Yeah, let's talk about that. Right, well, I want to go back a little bit and talk about when you first got connected with the team behind Vax. I don't even know how that happened. Did you get connected with Andy, Polly? You know what went down?

[Andy Wakefield]

I was working on a film here in Austin. I was shooting behind the scenes and a lady said to me, she said she was a producer on the Film. And she said, I want you to go meet this gentleman who has need of somebody that does what you do film, edit, do motion graphics. And so I just had Cruise at the time, my son, in 2009, and my wife decided no vaccines whatsoever. And I was actually freaked out about that. You know, I'd heard the same thing. You know, you don't vaccinate your child, your child's going to come down with a horrible disease. And so we had Cruz. Very soon after he was born, I realized this kid is actually doing okay. And I ended up going to this.

[Walton Goggins]

Meeting with Andy Wakefield.

[Andy Wakefield]

And my mother had just sent me an article about this horrible British doctor who was going to bring down everybody. And I'm sitting across the table from him. And halfway through, I said, oh, my.

[Chip Roy]

God, you're the guy.

[Walton Goggins]

My mom now is completely on board.

[Andy Wakefield]

Because of how well my son's doing, and she loves Andy to death. So that's how I kind of got to meet this team.

[Claire Dooley]

Well, I'm so glad that you came on board and shared your skills with everyone. I want to pause real quick, and I want to throw two to Chip Roy, who's going to be joining us. We're going to talk a little bit about the government shutdown, and then we'll come back to you. Polly and Brian. Chip, are you there?

[Chip Roy]

I am. Great to be on. I'm coming to you from Austin, Texas.

[Claire Dooley]

Oh, amazing. That's where we are. Thanks for joining. Yeah. So we wanted to throw to you for a little bit and talk about the government shutdown. What updates are there? What can we expect in the coming weeks?

[Chip Roy]

Well, first of all, let me just say, I mean, I've got a lot of great respect for all the work the administration is doing, and Bobby Kennedy's a good friend on this issue on health, freedom, vaccine freedom, and, you know, these things, they throw these things around like anti vax. My dad had polio. Like, I'm far from anti vax. But getting to the truth and getting to know what's actually happening and testing this stuff is critically important. So let me just give a shout out to you all for being down there and having those conversations. They're important, but I know you don't have me on to talk about that, but it is important. And the shutdown Democrats are playing games. Yeah, well, it's a really important issue, and this is one of the things that I think we need to do a better job of messaging on that this administration is seeking truth wherever it may lead. Bobby Kennedy's doing That the administration's doing that and Democrats are now playing political games and now Schumer's offered this absurd deal. It's not a deal. It's just a fricking joke that would have, you know, we're gonna, we want these insurance enriching subsidies to put $400 billion in the pocket of insurers. You know, we want a one year full extension of that. And we will maybe open the government back for a few weeks. And, you know, we want all this other stuff. It's ridiculous. And it's a, it's a, it's a terrible offer and it should be rejected out of hand. And let's be very clear. The president is correct to be rattling about the need to reform the filibuster and the extent to which his agenda is being blocked. But Republicans have got busy in Congress, have got to get busy putting forward an agenda that would put forward health care freedom and things that would drive the prices of health care down and empower patients and doctors instead of insurance companies and bureaucrats. And look, I was talking about health care freedom long before COVID long before all the vaccine stuff, because health care freedom means patients and doctors are in charge, not the bureaucrats in Washington or corporate boardrooms. And I think that's what we got to remember. The Democrats have taken our health care system hostage. Now they're holding the American people hostage with their government so that they can spend more money to enrich insurance bureaucrats. And we should say no, but we should also say yes to health care freedom and to lowering prices for health care for the average American hardworking family.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, absolutely. You know, Americans spend more on healthcare than most of the other developed countries, yet we have worse health outcomes. So I'm totally on the same page that, you know, if we're just going back into, if we accept this proposal, it's not actually going to make America healthier. What would you like to see happen, Chip?

[Chip Roy]

Well, I'd like to see Republicans stand alongside the President. We need to play hardball with Democrats. We need to go on offense with what we believe we would do for healthcare for the American people. And we need to lay the shutdown and the games they're playing with air traffic control and with border patrol and with TSA and everybody not getting paid at the feet of Democrats. Make them own the shutdown when we've done our job to fund government at common sense levels and go on offense on all the things for the President. But, you know, I've heard Steve talk about this all the Time. We're just sitting back. I think. I think the House Republicans need to come back to Washington. I think we need to send a bunch of bills over there, health care freedom bills. We should send over the SAVE act saying only citizens vote in our elections. We should send over HR2, which would codify the President's border security plans. We should send over a bill that would ban congressional stock trading by members of Congress. And I just think we ought to go on offense and make Democrats respond rather than playing defense. The President's winning. Republicans are kind of fiddling while Democrats are, you know, trying to get political advantage while they're advancing, you know, Marxist Islamists in New York. We're sitting back trying to cry about it instead of going on offense saying what we would do for the American people. So I just think we ought to go on offense here in the next few weeks.

[Claire Dooley]

Absolutely. You know, we are so lucky to have you on the show to talk about this with us, Chip. Where can everyone find your information? How can they get to you?

[Chip Roy]

Yeah, sure. Chiproy.com, c-I P R-O Y.com and chiproytx on, you know, X Twitter. Great to be on the show. God bless you all. Being at that conference, it's such an important one. You know, this issue of freedom with respect to our healthcare is critically important, whether it's vaccine health or whether it's being freedom from insurance bureaucrats and reclaiming our ability to take care of our families. So God bless you all and enjoy your time at Austin.

[Claire Dooley]

God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us. You know, this kind of reminds me of the all American, the all family pharmacy. If you need antibiotics, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, you can call them. They have doctors you can order online, get your prescription. They ship really quick. And if you use the code Bannon, you get 10% off. So you go to allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon and you get 10% off whenever you need. It's actually really funny. My grandma, like, has been getting Ivermectin from India, shipping it to me. I think this seems a little bit more reliable. So, yeah, definitely. Check out All Family Pharmacy. You guys, I want to hop back to Polly, Tommy and Brian Burroughs. Thanks for waiting with us, Brian. I wanted to go back to the making of Vax. I wanted to hear what your perspective was before the movie versus now.

[Andy Wakefield]

It seemed like one of the things that Vax, I think, did was bring the health freedom movement together.

[Walton Goggins]

It was Remarkable.

[Andy Wakefield]

When I started working with Andy and Polly, it seemed like there was all of these little factions of groups and anytime somebody started gaining traction, it seemed like there was a lot of infighting and Vaxed after it came out, it seemed like it just kind of brought everybody together and everybody started fighting on the same team and, and it seemed like we gained like tons and tons of momentum. So I think, I think it just had like an amazing effect.

[Claire Dooley]

I want to jump in there too. So that was actually something that eventually was talked about in the movie Vax 2. So you guys didn't just do Vax and move on with your lives. This team went on to make the Vax 2 movie and Vax 3. Polly, I want to talk to you about Vax 2. You know, set the scene for us. You're traveling the country with the Vaxt movie, you're touring. What did you find?

[Polly Tommy]

I mean really. So the following vaxed, Dal and myself because Andy was traveling around Europe promoting it there and Dal was very much into the politicians, really good at doing the politicians. And I was taking the parents stories because they recognized Billy's story was in Vax and they recognized from that something in their own child. So it was the first time that these parents, including myself, had a voice for our children. For years, you know, every time we go to the doctor or wherever we go, it's. You're slammed down. That's not the vaccine, you're ridiculous, you're mad, off you go. And so this is what happened following back because we decided to get a bus and we traveled around and this is where it really hit us. And I have to say this is the best education I've ever had in my entire life. And I'm pretty sure the people watching on Periscope would say the same thing. I mean I knew the MMR was a problem. I had no idea that babies died after their 4 month vaccinations. I had no idea that about the HBV Gardasil that was shutting down the ovaries of these people, all the crippled children, children in wheelchairs of paralysis. I mean we'd never seen anything like it.

[Claire Dooley]

Vaccines in general, not just the mmr, but there's many different vaccines. We thought we were just going to.

[Polly Tommy]

Get MMR stories because that was what the facts one was primarily about to the MMR and the fraud. But what we saw when we got out there was that actually there is no such thing as a safe and effective vaccine.

[Claire Dooley]

Actually.

[Polly Tommy]

Hello, these are the unvaccinated families that are super healthy really bright. You could see their eyes light up. You could see the dullness and the heartbreak in the families that had the vaccine injured. And that's what shocked us was how many Americans are living with vaccines injury and they're living in utter desperation. No help whatsoever out there. So Vax1 gave us the opportunity to make Vax2 which was about telling the stories of the American families who were injured.

[Claire Dooley]

And that film ultimately had a huge impact. I mean I think before maybe people just thought about delaying the mmr, but moving forward it turned out that there was actually a lot more issues with a lot of different shots. And I think that was one of the beginning films that started that conversation. Polly, Brian, thank you so much for joining us. Can you tell me and the audience where can we find you? Where can we follow you? What's your website? Tell me about CHT tv.

[Polly Tommy]

I'm actually still really banned from pretty much, I think I'm only allowed on Instagram, I can't even get on X. But if you follow CHD TV, we are out every single day, seven days a week, 10 o' clock Eastern, 9 o' clock Central. And we have Brian Hooker, we have some fantastic experts. None of us are professional hosts. But I tell you what, the shows are really good and they'll bring you truth. They will break down the media and bring you to so CHD TV and more Children's Health Defense. That's where you find me.

[Andy Wakefield]

And you can find all the movies there as well. And we're making two more now in the next year for chgtv so which.

[Claire Dooley]

We'Re very, very excited to announce. And what about you, Brian? Is it www.tommy burrows productions?

[Andy Wakefield]

Yeah, Tommy Burroughs Productions. But pretty much everything we're doing now goes through Children's Health Defense.

[Claire Dooley]

Okay, yeah, we're really looking forward to that. They're going to be breaking some news tomorrow at the conference. We'll be plugging in telling you about their new film but I can't tell you any secrets yet. But thank you so much Brian and Paulie for joining us and I'm sure this will not be the last time we hear from you. Short break.

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[Andy Wakefield]

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[Claire Dooley]

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[Andy Wakefield]

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[Claire Dooley]

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[Chip Roy]

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[Claire Dooley]

Crave, which is anything from ampm.

[Andy Wakefield]

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[Chip Roy]

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[Del Bigtree]

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[Walton Goggins]

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[Del Bigtree]

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[Chip Roy]

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[Claire Dooley]

All right, welcome. Welcome back. Before we get started, I have another guest for you Guys, I'm Claire Dooley. I'm a documentary filmmaker. But I want to talk to you a little bit about Birchgold. This weekend at the CHG conference, we have an awesome guest named Kathryn Austin Fitz, and she's going to tell us all about digital control grid, the central bank, digital currencies. And one way you can fight back against that is by buying gold. You know, the national debt is, you know, 37 trillion and growing. So if you want to learn more about buying gold, you can text Bannon to 989-898. They can roll an IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. They'll send you a free info kit. You can learn more and, yeah, definitely check them out. But moving forward, I have a special guest with me who you've actually seen in the show before, Del Bigtree, who I don't even know what to call you now. A TV host, documentary filmmaker. I mean, you're kind of doing everything.

[Del Bigtree]

Jack of all trades, I guess.

[Claire Dooley]

I want to just hop back real quick to earlier. I mentioned being 15, going to the CDC rally, and I was sitting outside of this hotel, and I saw this guy in the car, and I was like, oh, he looks a lot like Dal Bigtree, who I just saw in this documentary Vaxxed. And then he got out and it was Del Big Tree. I think I was maybe your first fangirl.

[Del Bigtree]

I think you were. I think that was the first time I was ever publicly recognized. And I'll never forget. It felt really. I was like, I. Oh, my God. Someone like Del Beatri.

[Claire Dooley]

I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's amazing. We talked a little bit about the film Vaxed with the rest of the crew. It's been 10 years since it was me. I want to talk about it.

[Del Bigtree]

It feels like 40 years, but I.

[Claire Dooley]

Can relate to that. But you were in Hollywood before you made Vaxxed.

[Del Bigtree]

Yeah, I was a producer on the CBS talks with the Doctors. That's where I was working before I got involved with Vax. Prior to that, I was on the Dr. Phil show, but I'd won an Emmy award on the Doctors television show. So I was, you know, I consider myself, I guess, medical producer, because that was the majority of the work that I did in Hollywood, turning science and.

[Claire Dooley]

Medicine into entertainment and, you know, moving forward. You worked on the film Vaxed, as Polly Tommy mentioned, you ended up meeting with some different congressmen and senators, and then the High Wire was born shortly after, right? Yeah.

[Del Bigtree]

I mean, so, you know, Vax was on tour for about a Year. Halfway into that tour, people started saying, hey, will you come in and talk to our senators and our congressmen? And I was like, sure. Never done that before. And then, you know, try. As soon as I did, I think it was Mississippi was the first time I ever walked into a capitol. That's right. I think it might have been your mom that dragged me in. But as soon as I did it, I was like, oh, I really enjoy doing this. So as the tour went on, I started going to more and more capitals, and then I started flying because people wanted me to go to the different capitals. So while I was doing that, the truth was, is after a year, Vax was only about the MMR vaccine. And I wanted to go deeper because, as Polly said just earlier, it wasn't just autism. It wasn't just mmr. People were saying, my baby died after a flu shot. My teenage daughter was paralyzed after a Gardasil vaccine. I wanted to get to the bottom of that. And so I started a nonprofit informed consent action network, started my own Internet talk show, the High Wire, then hired a. I mean, you know, constitutional attorney Aaron Seri to start suing the government so we could get to the bottom of the answers on vaccine safety. How had they determined that all the vaccines we're giving our kids was safe? That was my primary goal and have been doing that work since 2017.

[Claire Dooley]

And, Del, ultimately, why do you do what you do every day? What is the reason?

[Del Bigtree]

Well, I mean, there's a couple reasons. I don't vaccinate my kids. I want them to live in a world where that's, you know, actually I wasn't vaccinated as a child. So growing up that way, I just wanted to be able to raise my kids the way that I was raised and living in California, SB277 took that right away, took the right to choose what's injected into my body or especially the bodies of my children. And I think that this is really a freedom issue. You know, at the tip of the spear of all freedom, if we do not control what goes into our body and the bodies of our children, we are not free. We are not free citizens. I believe we have the same rights as farm animals. And I'm not. I don't think I'm overstating that. So my fight is this is one of the most important issues to show that I don't think this country is working the way that it should. And luckily, we've got it coming back on the right track. I was director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. When he ran for president. I think he's doing a great job at hhs. We have a lot of work to do, but I don't think there's any issue that embodies, you know, whether you have freedom or whether you're basically imprisoned and living in an authoritarian state. So I think it's the most important issue of our time.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely agree. It's the most important issue of our time. And to me, it's something. I think we're all on the same page. We're going to dedicate our lives to it until we see it done. Where can people find you, Dal, and learn more about what you do?

[Del Bigtree]

My weekly talk show is called the high wire.com you can go to all the, you know, legal work we [e-mail] and I have a film out right now and inconveniencestudy.com which people can watch for free.

[Claire Dooley]

I'm really excited about an inconvenience study and your release of that. I'm really glad it's out for free. So everyone should check it out. Thank you for joining us.

[Del Bigtree]

Thanks for having me. Have a great weekend.

[Claire Dooley]

Yeah, you too. You guys, I wanted to move to talk real quick with Mike Lindell. Mike, are you there? Can you hear me?

[Chip Roy]

Yep, I'm here. How you doing?

[Claire Dooley]

Oh, I'm doing great. Okay, so what do you have going on, Mike? Tell me what's up.

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[Claire Dooley]

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