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Travis Holloway
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Claire Dooley
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Tony Lyons
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Travis Holloway
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Tony Lyons
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Claire Dooley
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Claire Dooley
I got a free shot.
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Tony Lyons
All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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Claire Dooley
I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.
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Tony Lyons
You'Re not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Claire Dooley
And where do people like that go.
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Tony Lyons
To share the big lie?
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Claire Dooley
MAGA Media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Tony Lyons
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Claire Dooley
All right, three, two, one. Good morning. Today is November 8, 2025, in the year. In the year of our Lord. My name is Claire Julie. We're live from the Children's Self Defense Conference in Austin, Texas. It's called the Moment of Truth. So why am I here? Why am I hosting? Who am I? I'm a documentary filmmaker. I've been making films for the past 10 years about health freedom. I watched the movie Vax at 15 years old and decided that it was something I wanted to give my life to. There is nothing more important than. Than preventing brain injury in children. There's nothing more important than preventing a mother from holding her lifeless child whenever that could have been prevented. And she was giving that child a medical intervention that she was told would help her baby, when in fact it did the exact opposite. And then she's left to deal with the consequences. She's left to pay the medical bills. She's left to go search for the doctors that can actually help her. The medical industry has abandoned these families. They've gaslit these families. And I would go so far as to also say that they're covering it up. That was what the Vax movie was about. It was about the CDC covering up fraud. They knew that the MMR vaccine was causing autism, and instead of telling the American people, they hid it. That's a crime against humanity. In 1986, the Congress passed an act that took away liability from vaccine Manufacturers so many children were being injured that the pharmaceutical companies came to Congress and said, hey, we can't keep making vaccines because we can't ensure the supply of them because we're getting sued so much. So we gave them legal immunity. And what happened after that? The vaccine schedule tripled. Right. Children today get four times, three times, almost four times as much as people did, I don't know, 40, 50 years ago. So that's what we're dealing with. This is the scene that we're in. We are in an epidemic of chronic illness. And I have brought on a guest today that we're going to throw off the show with to talk a little bit about this chronic illness epidemic. And why. Because it affects every single American person. Think about your life. Who do you know who's died of cancer? Who do you know who's died of heart disease? Who do you know who has autism, any kind of developmental delays or disabilities? I mean, who do you know who's in a wheelchair, who's had to have a stent put in their heart, who's had to be in and out of the hospitals, in and out of urgent cares? I mean, this is an issue that is way more pervasive. This affects every single American who human being. And I think that that's why the posse needs to be here. That's why they need to be in the room, because this is on their hearts, even if they don't know it. So today, joining me right now is Tony Lyons. We're live from the Children's Health Department Self Defense Conference. And we're going to be talking to him about why it's important, why are we here, what are we doing, how are we trying to fix things? I call Tony Lyons the offense. I call Children's Health Defense the defense. So thank you so much for joining us, Tony.
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Tony Lyons
Yeah, thanks for having me here. Yeah. I mean, 76% of the American public suffers from a chronic disease. You know, that is an epidemic of just unheard of proportion. So all around the world, countries spend less money and have so much better health outcomes. And that's because we have captured government agencies, we have corrupt public officials, and we have these big companies that are controlling everything and we need to fight back. So, you know, what's really happened now is that in the course of one year, the whole narrative has changed. So millions and millions of Americans who trusted anything they were told because they were lied to, they were propagandized. They were convinced by these companies that spent billions of dollars doing it. You know, they were really brainwashed.
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Claire Dooley
And we can go into that a little bit. Right. So that's the direct market to consumer advertising. You want to talk a little bit about that?
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Tony Lyons
Yeah, that's right. I mean. I mean, a very big part of why the media is controlled is that 70% of the advertising for major networks comes from pharmaceutical companies. So if we could change that, we could really make big progress.
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Claire Dooley
70%.
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Tony Lyons
That's, you know, CNN has said that, that it's as much as 70%. So, you know, it's not always going to be true, but it's an incredible percentage of the advertising comes from these companies that are lying to the public, that are poisoning the public. And then the result of that, then is that when Bobby Kennedy comes out and when his whole team comes out and they start to tell the truth for the first time in a generation, we get these incredible smear campaigns. So we get these companies going to war against people who are telling the truth to the public because they want to protect their revenue stream. They want to protect these incredible profits that have made it so that we spend three times the amount of money on health care in this company, in this country than any of the other 30 industrialized countries, and we have much worse health outcomes.
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Claire Dooley
We were just actually talking about that, you know, like, if you went into a store and you spent three times as much money as the store next to it, you would expect that you would leave with a better outcome. And so we also. You know what's happening right now? The government's shut down. Democrats are talking about reform with Obamacare. They're trying to hint at making America healthier by just still dumping more and more money into the same systems that are making us sick. So at MAHA Action, we're doing something different. Let's talk a little bit about what we're doing at MAHA Action.
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Tony Lyons
Yeah. So there are all kinds of different things that are. That are big priorities for us, but one of them is to lower the toxic load on every American. So we're not going to get rid of all chemicals. We're not going to get rid of all toxins in food. Maybe that that ship has sailed, but we can do so much better. And that's what we're really trying to fight back on. So what's happening is that we need to not have liability shields for anything. Not for vaccines, not for pesticides, not for chemicals in food. I mean, these are. This is a system that's set up to protect these companies, not to protect the American public. And we need to start protecting our Children.
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Claire Dooley
That I think makes you a conspiracy theorist and a misinformation spreader today. Yeah.
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Tony Lyons
Let me just tell you about these words, you know, that have been co opted. So what is a conspiracy theorist? What is an anti vaxxer? What is somebody who's anti science? These words are pharmaceutical company talking points. They're meant to control the narrative. Anybody who really believes in science believes in dialogue, they believe in debate. And they would, they relish anybody coming forward and contradicting them because that's what science is. You have to be able to stand up and defend your point of view. Not by censoring people, not by lying to people, not by threatening to people, not by de platforming people, but by having a better argument.
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Claire Dooley
Yeah. Actually the Maha Institute just had an amazing roundtable last month called the Weaponization of Science. I had the privilege of being there and helping with production and it was an incredible roundtable. They really digged into, you know, how science has been co opted. What even is science, right? What does it mean whenever you say believe science? Right. I mean, how do you believe in something that is a system, not a fact? And so, yeah, you guys can check that out if you go to the Maha Institute, Instagram. I wanted to actually touch.
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Tony Lyons
That's a great, great point. I mean, you know, you can't believe in science. Science is not a religion. Science is a process. So science, you want people to disagree, the last thing you want to do is believe in science. Science is not static. So we want science changing all the time. Any doctor will tell you that when they went to medical school, their medical books were just littered with things that turn out not to be true, but they were the best that we had at the time. And that's always going to be true that every moment, every year, things are changing. And we want change, we want radical transparency, but we also want to question the status quo. That's what science is. It's questioning the status quo all the time, every day, as loudly as you can, with as many new facts as you can.
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Claire Dooley
Absolutely. And when you say that, it actually kind of brings up some thoughts for me. You know, being from a small town in Mississippi, the majority of my family are not university college educated. And so I feel like a lot of times this is a, this can also become a classes issue. Right? You have people who went to university who, you know, think that they are better than the average American, you know, working class member, better than people in the posse, you know, whoever that is. And they think that they can then look down upon them and say, oh no, you're spreading misinformation. When, for example, a mother takes her child in to the doctor, she knows her child better than anyone else. That child gets five shots in one day, goes home, starts banging their head, screaming for hours on end, has seizures, she goes back to the doctor, says, oh my gosh, my kid's sick. And what does that, you know, university medical industry doctor say, oh, that wasn't the vaccine. Or that's totally normal, just give him some Tylenol. This is the situation we're in. I mean, the American citizens are being gaslit and saying, oh, you have to believe in science, believe in, have faith in us. This is pretty much a preview of actually scientism which we can touch on later in the show. Joe Allen is a great expert that comes on often about that.
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Tony Lyons
Yeah, but these are really great points that, you know, the leaders who we've had over the last generation, they've lied their ways to the top, they've failed their ways to the top. I mean, in what world would you have somebody like Dr. Fauci who in everything that he was hired to do, he failed. And yet he kept progressing, he kept getting paid more and more money. To the extent that he was getting paid more than the President, he was really the most powerful person in the country for a long period of time and he had never succeeded in anything. Children were sicker and sicker year after year. So, you know, this is not what happens in a private company, this is not what happens in any other area. But it happens in a government that's become co opted, that's become corrupt, that's become run by these people who are, whose sole purpose is to extract as much money from the American public as they possibly can while telling parents that they're crazy by ignoring the health of their own children. I mean, what could be more despicable.
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Claire Dooley
Than that they make more money when we're sick. They do not make money off us being healthy in the current system that we have built in the United States. And that's why I'm really excited about RFK Jr. As secretary of HHS. I think he's doing a fantastic job at trying to truly move forward and make America healthier. I actually want to play a quick clip of RFK Jr and we'll pop back in and talk with someone else. He thrives on spreading lies to the vulnerable.
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Tony Lyons
That is definitely me.
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Claire Dooley
That has been lauded.
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Lee Marinoff
That has been lied.
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Claire Dooley
That was been modded.
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Tony Lyons
We noticed that RFK jr's portrayal in.
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Claire Dooley
The press is Sometimes a little over the top. So we decided to play a little.
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Tony Lyons
Game and compare real quotes from real news outlets.
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Claire Dooley
Thank you. Let's see what happens. His actions cause global damage and catastrophe. Is that me? Sadly, that's you. Sorry.
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Tony Lyons
He's obsessed with bringing down America. That's bin Laden. He is reckless and dangerous. That's me. Correct.
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Claire Dooley
He unites people in fear. That would be me. Probably bin Laden.
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Tony Lyons
Oh, good.
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Claire Dooley
That's sweet. He must be held accountable and brought to justice.
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Tony Lyons
That's bin Laden.
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Claire Dooley
That was you? Oh, God. History will judge him as a monster. I'm saying that's bin Laden. Yeah, that's bin Laden.
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Lee Marinoff
Yeah.
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Claire Dooley
He's a global threat. That's Osama bin Laden.
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Tony Lyons
Sadly, that's you. He's a fanatic consumed by conspiracy.
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Claire Dooley
That's probably me.
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Tony Lyons
No, bin Laden. Oh, good. He's an evil nihilist.
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Claire Dooley
I know. That's me because I remember that it's also bin Laden. Oh, that's economical of him.
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Tony Lyons
Is it possible that the press rhetoric.
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Rodney Williams
About Bobby Kennedy is a bit hyperbolic?
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Claire Dooley
So we want to talk a little bit more with you guys soon. I'm actually going to throw to you, Tony. We had a couple more comments you wanted to make about.
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Tony Lyons
Yeah, there were a couple things, and one of the things that you should have gotten from that clip is that, you know, they want to portray Secretary Kennedy and President Trump as being a danger to the public. You know, that their public health views are a danger. And the truth is that they're just a danger to corporate profits. They're a danger to this corrupt system that's poisoned the American public. And when you look at some of the facts, and there's one fact that I think a lot of you will really like to hear which will resonate with you, and that is that during COVID where we were told that people were crazy, people were. Were dangerous who wouldn't get vaccinated, but during that exact period of time, we let 10 million unvaccinated people come across the border. So where's the logic there? Of course, it was not about public health. It was about controlling the American public. Otherwise, we would never. We would have shut the border down entirely. We would not have let one unvaccinated person come across that border. But that's not what happened.
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Claire Dooley
Absolutely. You guys, we're going to take a short break. We're going to come back to you with Lee Marinoff, and she's going to talk to us about some rural health reform at hhs. See you soon.
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Claire Dooley
All right, War Room. We're joining you here live from the Children's Health Defense Conference. I'm Claire Dooley. If you've been grocery shopping lately, you've probably noticed how high the inflation is. And in this kind of world, with, you know, 37 trillion plus dollars in the national debt, what's a good thing you can do? You can invest in gold. And who do we trust to invest our money in when it comes to gold? Birch Gold. So if you want to go and text Bannon to 989-898, they will give you an in a free info kit, you can learn more about investing in gold. You know, why it's beneficial for you and your family. We love Birch Gold at our house and yeah, we love them very much. So moving on, I want to talk to Lee Marinoff, who I've brought on here, who is a great friend of mine. Thanks for being here, Lee.
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Lee Marinoff
Thank you. I love being here with you.
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Claire Dooley
So we have actually a headline we wanted to bring up. Lee recently has been doing some really powerful stuff with the Strategic Health Initiatives and MAHA Action. This is through Strategic Initiatives. MAHA is supporting rural health nationwide. Lee, tell us a little bit about what you've been doing. You've been traveling the country. Every time I call her, she's in a different place right now.
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Lee Marinoff
Well, we at MAHA Action really wanted to support the rural communities. And I was at the governor's meeting in Colorado in August when this all came about. Dr. Oz, through CMS, came up with a plan with, I think, a lot of the governors in talking how to best support the states. And one of the things that they saw is that the rural communities have really been neglected. The hospitals are shutting down. People are extremely unhealthy or more unhealthy than they are in the cities. And they came up with a great plan that was put on such a fast track, like the biggest fast track we've ever had. Six weeks they gave the states to apply for $50 billion for rural rural communities. And they, they split it up. The first 25 billion, they decided to allocate to all the states equally. And that was just to, I, I think get their attention, say that we're really interested in this. But the second 25 billion they had to submit proposals for. And this, this came out. We were all waiting for the application. It came out and they said they're due even though the government shut down, the applications have to be in. And they were in this past week, November 5th, we at MAHA Action had 12 great ideas, but obviously that was too much. The governors didn't really know us, so we came the top four. And we, we didn't have any kind of access to the governor. So we just started calling, asking our friends, who knows whom, and, and any appointments we could get. We just got on a plane and, and went to different states. And now the applications do. Now it's in CMS's court. They have six weeks to figure out how they're going to allocate all $50 billion. And we will hear December 31st. We're all taking a break, trying to catch up on everything we missed before. And then we'll go back out and see how we can help support with experts the things that MAHA Action really thinks will help make the rural communities healthier again.
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Claire Dooley
Yeah, and, and there was Also, what was it about 20 states that are participating? This is something like that.
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Lee Marinoff
We have about 23 states that actually engaged with us and they were bipartisan, both, both Republican and Democratic states. In the end, we've been trying to see the different applications and we'll get foa. We'll, we'll do FOA requests for anyone that we can't find. But in the end, the, the states all made them pretty general and they'll be looking around and asking for pilots and they'll probably do a lot of requests for proposal in January. So our, our recommendation is that citizens get involved and see if you have a way to make your rural community healthier. You know, get. This is the time to get involved. Call your legislators, call your senators, call your governor, and let's see if we can all help.
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Claire Dooley
Absolutely. There's actually a MAHA legislative tracker that you can find on mahaaction.com that can tell you, you can put in your information. It can tell you who your legislators are, who in your area is Maha friendly or not, what bills you can find. It's pretty incredible what MAHA is doing. Lee, do you have any other suggestions for specific things? How can people mobilize? What can they do?
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Lee Marinoff
First of all, we have a couple million people that have let us know that they are behind us and we know that there are lots more. So this legislative tracker you spoke about is phenomenal. You go on, if you've never helped change a bill before, this is your beginning. We have bills of the week and you can go on, press down, press your state. So I'm from Vermont. You press the state. And we're trying to stop, you know, a mask law. So in our state, anytime they want, they can make all the kids in schools put on masks. I don't think that's a good thing. So how do I do it? So it tells you how to change it? We have ideas. How do you write an OP ed? Like, get out there, write an OP ed and you don't have to run for to be a House member that you should, and I encourage it. A lot of young people are doing that. But we are at MAHA Action, really, really trying to help motivate just everyone to get involved and help us change laws. And we will be giving more and more ideas of how to do that, how to engage.
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Claire Dooley
Absolutely. So these two people next to me, Tony Lyons, Lee Marinoff, I am so proud to be in the room with you and to even get to work with you. MAHA Action is doing a lot of incredible work. All the Time I'm so proud to see. There's this new Maha report. Every single, there's several times a day the Maha report goes out. You can learn about what's going on when it comes to Maha in our country. Tony and Lee, I have a question for you. Tony. When all this was going on, you know, what is that like as the president of Maha? And then we have Lee here who's running across the country, you know, how are you guys working together to make it happen?
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Tony Lyons
Well, you know, much of it is. It's a question of, you know, I see this as a cultural war just as much as it's a war to change what governors do, to change what states do, you know, because the legal system works slowly. And what we've seen in a very short period of time is that the whole narrative has begun to change. And so there were words that one year ago, nobody had heard of petroleum based food dyes. Who was using that word or that phrase one year ago, who was talking about beef tallow. So you go to restaurants now and the waiters will tell you that they cook their fries in beef tallow.
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Claire Dooley
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Tony Lyons
So seed oils. You know, there are so many different words. You know, even ultra processed foods. Nobody really knew what that was one year ago. And you know, even more importantly, nobody thought that it was okay to talk about whether vaccines were safe or not, or to talk about whether pesticides on vegetables were safe, or to talk about, you know, all kinds of different drugs. So we were at this point where 95% of the population in certain areas like vaccines, maybe it was 98% were just totally brainwashed. And now that's been blown wide open so that people really believe that they can talk about anything. And that is such an incredible change. And what we need to do is look at that rate of change, but also look at the fact that this Maha movement is just an incredible gift to the Republican Party. And we want to make sure that the Republican Party recognizes that. And I believe that Republicans all around the country, 90 or 95% of them, really do recognize that and want that and are begging their politicians to back the Maha movement.
- [30:51]
Claire Dooley
What does that number look like? I mean, isn't when it comes to Maha being able to swing an election, isn't it something like give us the numbers on, you know, what kind of voting base we have now?
- [31:02]
Tony Lyons
Sure. I mean, last week was just clearly a wake up call for Republicans that, you know, they should have used the Maha base so much better. We were ready. There were millions and millions not 2 million, not 10 million, but 100 million or 150 million people. You know, in all kinds of polling we've done, there's just such widespread backing for these ideas. But we have a lot of politicians who've taken a lot of money from a lot of these companies, and that has to change. And they have to recognize that their base, their voters want this change, they're demanding this change. And if they give it to them, that if they begin to really see that they can raise money from this base, that they can win elections from this base, then I think we're going to see a massive victory in the midterms, and that's what we really want.
- [31:56]
Claire Dooley
Absolutely. I mean, I don't think there's anything more pro American than being pro health. Lee, do you have a comment on that?
- [32:04]
Lee Marinoff
Yes. As we traveled around the country, I've spoken with so many just random people that said that they, outside of their doctor's advice, just changed their diets. And many of them I've met so many people that have lost a hundred pounds. That seems like the magic number. They've lost a hundred pounds, they've gotten off their diabetic medication, and it's all through going on a different kind of diet that is very easily available to most Americans. And so we are. We are putting that forward. And I'm telling you, if we flip school lunches, if we change the food in hospitals, if we get Americans to not be as diabetic as they are now, and that happens under President Trump and Secretary Kennedy. We are heroes, and that is the road we're going down. That is the message that we need push. And these are not people that even have heard anything about Maha. This is what people are doing, and we are ready, and this is our time. So I could not be more excited.
- [33:05]
Claire Dooley
This is our time. That's how I feel. I'm like, we are. We are pushing ahead as quickly as we can. We're gonna take a short break right after this, but before we go, I want to tell you guys a little bit about Patriot Mobile. So Patriot Mobile has been around for over 12 years. I realize there's a lot of different carriers you can choose, like AT&T or whoever else, but Patriot Mobile is the only one that's standing up for your freedom. So just don't take my word for it. There's hundreds of thousands of Americans that have made the switch. You can use the promo, promo code Bannon for a free month of service. So go to patriot mobile.com Bannon or call 972 Patriot today. Thanks so much. We're going to be back from the break soon.
- [33:47]
Tony Lyons
So.
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- [37:13]
Tony Lyons
War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
- [37:24]
Claire Dooley
All right. I'm Claire Dooley. We're live from the Children's health defense conference 2025. Moment of truth in Austin, Texas. I have Tony Lyons, president of MAHA Action, joining me and Lee Marinoff. Tony, we were talking a little bit over the break about how some Democrats say that, you know, we need to, we don't want to medicate the. Sorry. It was about the food. Right. So we want to feed people to keep them from getting sick, but the food that we're giving them is actually making them sick. You want to talk a little bit more about that?
- [37:58]
Tony Lyons
Sure. The idea is that, is that there's not that much food, that there are a lot of poor people, and that we have to just get them calories. So the idea there is just so crazy because, you know, they say, well, we can't afford, afford to have healthy food, Tony.
- [38:15]
Lee Marinoff
We can't afford not to have healthy food.
- [38:17]
Tony Lyons
Right. And, you know, eating unhealthy food actually costs the government more. So if you look at Medicare or Medicaid, they're responsible for these people's health for their whole lives. So if they get a chronic disease later, we as taxpayers have to pay for that. So, you know, it really is true now that the Democratic Party has started to say, well, pesticides aren't really so bad for you. Ultra processed foods aren't so bad for you. The New York Times runs these articles, and you have people going on to, you know, Instagram eating, you know, glasses filled with food dyes. So, you know, this is just a really crazy point. And it gets back to the idea that this is such a gift to the Republican Party that Maha really has the ability to galvanize millions and millions of voters who recognize that they're just being lied to. That These. These ideas are bad ideas, and they're unhealthy, and they're. And they're killing our children.
- [39:18]
Lee Marinoff
Well, I totally agree with that, Tony. And the thing is, is there are a few things that we have to change right now, because a lot of times people get unhealthy food and they eat it because they don't know how to cook. We need to teach Americans how to cook again, as a normal part of the. Part of the day, to take a chicken, to throw it in a pot of water, to make a soup, to make a stew, to make something that lasts, that has leftovers. Leftovers have to be the new common theme in a family group. We need to have a Sunday where you cook several meals for the week. And I think our job is. Is to figure out how to make that possible. How do people afford it, how do they do it? And I think that's a lot of what Maha action can do to support hhs and we can support President Trump.
- [40:10]
Tony Lyons
Such a great point, Lee. I mean, if you look at Japan, you know, something like 20 years ago, they stopped mandating vaccines. The kids are so much less medicated. And every school in Japan has a chef. So all the food that children eat in their schools, there are fresh foods that are cooked on the same day that the kids eat them. Whereas here, what do kids eat in school?
- [40:36]
Lee Marinoff
Right. And I just want to say I've worked on school lunches for a long time in the state of Vermont, and there's so many laws and regulations that prevent children from eating healthy food. And that is something that I think that President Trump sees it. I think they see that HHS and we have got to change the laws and the regulations. Then we have to refurbish kitchens, rebuild kitchens, and that costs money. And we've got to figure out how to do this. That is part of the Rural Health Transformation Program. And I think we're on our way.
- [41:07]
Claire Dooley
I think, honestly, Lee, I've seen you in action for three years at your farm school in Vermont. I don't think there's a better person to be doing this than you. I think I would call you an expert. You know, when you go to Lee's farm school, you see kids eating real food, eating whole foods. You know, maybe it's meat, maybe it's a little bit of fresh, organic sourdough, some cheese, some raw milk, some berries that they made and canned themselves. Blueberries. I wanted to ask.
- [41:38]
Lee Marinoff
Don't forget the ferments.
- [41:39]
Claire Dooley
Fermented foods. Yes. That's a great point. And ancestral foods as well. I wanted to talk a little bit about your farm schoolie before we head out. You know, how long has the farm school been around? What are you guys doing? What's the future? You know, give us the run.
- [41:55]
Lee Marinoff
Well, our farm school's been around for 15 years and I really learned farming outside of this country, working on another program in Africa and Asia. We now have such a demand for classes that we, we cannot keep up. And so starting in January, we really want to have a bigger online presence. We are hoping that, that we will learn. I mean, I'm old, so that's what I'm here for.
- [42:19]
Sarah Doe
Right.
- [42:19]
Lee Marinoff
I don't know how I'll do it, but five young friends like you, Claire, and we're going to figure out how to try to bring this. There are 100 million homes in America. We're going to figure out how many of those we can get into. And the idea is to teach skilling, cooking, sewing. Sewing is first. Cooking, sewing, basic building.
- [42:38]
Claire Dooley
Yeah. Carpentry, kids, I mean also even just basic survival skills. How many American children don't or people don't know how to make a fire? Right. Like that's a basic survival skill that got humanity to where it is. And many of them don't even understand how to do such a thing. So I went to the farm school. I started making a documentary series about the farm school three years ago. We're kind of soft launching it, talking about it now. Nothing's released quite yet. We're going to show you guys the trailer soon. But I do have to say that even as an adult who, you know, as a kid, I grew up in rural Mississippi. Mississippi. I still, I thought I knew a lot about homesteading and I, I found out I didn't really know anything. Most of the six year olds there no more knew more than I did and I learned a lot being there. So Lee, before we go, how can people find you? Are you on social media and stuff?
- [43:25]
Lee Marinoff
Well, okay, we are on Instagram and we do have an account. It's called Meadows Bee. And then our, our farm program is called Young farmer starts Young Farmers. You can find us. I mean we're, we're a little. Getting better. Yeah, we're working on it with your help, Claire.
- [43:41]
Claire Dooley
If also I did make a landing page for, for our documentary series. So if you go to watchmeadows bee.com youm can sign up for email, our email list and we can send you updates. We have actually a couple things in the shop there where you can buy For Christmas coming up, there's a couple sewing tutorials. Really cute kind of stuff for beginning beginner sewing things. So yeah, you guys should definitely check it out. We are gonna play the trailer.
- [44:07]
Lee Marinoff
This was empty. Just like the other one. Everywhere around the world, people take care of themselves. Only in America we don't know how to do anything.
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- [44:23]
Claire Dooley
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- [44:30]
Lee Marinoff
I've started a new program called Young Farmer Starts. It's people giving of their time and sharing their skills with young children. And the harder I make it, the happier they are.
- [44:41]
Claire Dooley
You guys can get in your group so we can get this day rolling. We're teaching kids where their food comes from, how it actually grows, the hard work that goes into it.
- [44:50]
Lee Marinoff
By running children through real life experiences, they get a mastery and an undertaking, understanding and the compassion. You get kids to love being alive.
- [45:08]
Tony Lyons
This vote is for the budget. Just to be clear, everybody join us.
- [45:12]
Lee Marinoff
And let's keep the school open and let's keep this community thriving.
- [45:19]
Claire Dooley
I have never seen any human being that was able to impart some skills on that. You didn't watch their anxiety level change as having skills in doing something. They found belief in oneself was easier. Why do you think they get so restful up against your chest?
- [45:46]
Lee Marinoff
When people come in and say that.
- [45:48]
Claire Dooley
Not a good education, they don't see it.
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- [45:53]
Lee Marinoff
Once a week and farming.
- [45:54]
Claire Dooley
They don't see the value of teaching a kid how to plant a seed.
- [45:58]
Tony Lyons
My father used to say problems are.
- [46:00]
Claire Dooley
Great opportunities in disguise. Well, if you take away all your.
- [46:04]
Tony Lyons
Kids problems, they have new opportunities.
- [46:16]
Lee Marinoff
I counted that as a civilization we have needs to be met. My goal in all the programs I've developed is to have a child that feels like they belong.
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- [46:39]
Claire Dooley
This one's for sheeping. Another sheeping one. This one's for making fires. So you can make a fire. How old are you?
- [46:54]
Lee Marinoff
Seven.
- [46:57]
Claire Dooley
That's really cool. And this one's about like herbals. So I devoted the first, I don't know, say 10 years or so of my career to documentary filmmaking exposing the vaccine industry corruption. You know, I went through several different films that I was on the team of VAX2, which covered thousands of children who were injured by vaccines. 1986, the act, which kind of goes into the history of why the pharmaceutical industry gained liability against vaccine, against being sued for harming people. But later on I wanted to Move into something more progressive, something that pushed us forward, and that is the Metas Bee Farm documentary series. We'll be releasing it sometime soon, coming early next year. So if you want to go and sign up for the email list, I can give you guys updates as much as I can. We have a cute little shop. You know, Christmas is coming up. My little daughter loves. She's 18 months. She loves wearing the little T shirts from Meadows Bee Farm. Every day she picks them out. I had to get like four of them because they would get so dirty. Anyways, so, yeah, you guys definitely check it out. Joining me right now is Sarah Doe, which I am very happy to have you here. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. So Sarah. Sarah Doe was actually kicked out of school for not complying with the vaccine mandate, is that correct? If you want to go a little bit into. We've got about two minutes till the break, and then we'll take a break, we'll come back. But if you want to tell us a little bit about what your life was like whenever you were in school.
- [48:41]
Sarah Doe
When I was in school, yeah, when.
- [48:43]
Claire Dooley
You were in school.
- [48:44]
Sarah Doe
Okay. So when I was in school, it was like.
- [48:52]
Claire Dooley
Our lovely. Our lovely Sarah Doe joining us is 16 years old. This is probably one of her first live interviews. But I'm so happy you're here. But for you, you know, were you enjoying your school experience?
- [49:03]
Sarah Doe
Yeah, yeah, very much. And they took it all away, but.
- [49:07]
Claire Dooley
Right. So. So at a certain. For a certain period of time, Sarah Doe, you had no vaccinations, is that correct?
- [49:14]
Sarah Doe
Yeah, till 2019, I didn't have any vaccinations because I had a religious exemption.
- [49:19]
Claire Dooley
Okay. And then at a certain point, what state do you live in?
- [49:22]
Sarah Doe
I live in New York.
- [49:23]
Claire Dooley
You live in New York. That religious exemption was removed. Yeah. So that means that she's then put in a position where she has to be vaccinated to go to school. So what happened? Were you vaccinated? At that point?
- [49:35]
Sarah Doe
I had to get, I think, like 10 doses to get caught up, just to be put back into school. And ever since I've gotten those, I've had, like, my whole body's had a reaction. It's been so bad. I've never been the same since those vaccines.
- [49:55]
Claire Dooley
Yeah, I actually was talking about it with Michael Caine, who we had on yesterday about some of the health issues that you've experienced since then. You know, what would you describe that as? Was that, obviously it's not an enjoyable experience. I mean, I mean, what. How did your life change.
- [50:15]
Sarah Doe
So ever since those vaccines, my body gets active flare ups of like a rash all over my body and it feels like my whole body's on fire and it just feels, it feels like it's insane. It's the worst feeling anyone can ever feel.
- [50:31]
Claire Dooley
Incredibly painful. I know this might be a technical question, Sarah Doe, but do you have any certain diagnoses that came about after you were vaccinated?
- [50:39]
Sarah Doe
So I have Urticaria, I have Von Willebrand, I have.
- [50:47]
Claire Dooley
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Rodney Williams
I'm Rodney Williams.
- [52:16]
Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the Wealth Break.
- [52:20]
Rodney Williams
Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone. It's not just about saving. It's about investing. It's about navigating systems that weren't built for you, embracing your hustle and relying on your community to create something bigger.
- [52:33]
Travis Holloway
And that's exactly why we created the wealthbreak. We made something different, something more human. It's not just another financial podcast. It's a conversation about real life, real struggles and real wins.
- [52:44]
Rodney Williams
We're here to talk about the journey. You're hearing from people who've broken barriers, found creative ways to succeed, and learn to build wealth on their terms. Whether it's the first time homeowner a gig worker or someone turning a side hustle into a six figure business. We're bringing you their stories, and we're.
- [53:04]
Travis Holloway
Not stopping at success stories. We're breaking down the realities, like what it means to take risk, how to navigate failure, and why resilience matters. Because wealth isn't about money. It's about creating a life where you can thrive and help others to do the same.
- [53:18]
Rodney Williams
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- [53:25]
Travis Holloway
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- [54:31]
Tony Lyons
Here's your host, Stephen K.
- [54:41]
Claire Dooley
All right, so we're coming back out of the break. We have Sarah Doe with us. She was just talking to us about her vaccine injury. Before we talk with her, I actually wanted to mention something that I don't really talk about much, which is that I lived in Mississippi who did not have religious exemptions for vaccines for kids in school. So I was homeschooled until fifth grade. And in fifth grade, I was caught up. I had five shots in one day and experienced what would be diagnosed as pots. You know, as a young person, I couldn't stand without my vision blacking out. I bruised easily. I couldn't run on the playground anymore. I had no energy. You know, I would. I would frequently faint. There was a lot of issues that I had. And to explain to a kid that, you know, hey, I was healthy and then I wasn't healthy. And this thing happened. I got this medical treatment, but just because it's a vaccine, all of a sudden we completely dismiss it, right? Oh, well, that can't be that. It's safe and effective. Well, it's not safe and effective. You can look at the vaccine inserts. All these side effects are on the vaccine inserts. Doctors won't tell you that, but the pharmaceutical companies will on their product packages. So, Sarado, that's my background, so I know where you're coming from. I wanted to talk a little bit about some of your experiences. So Sarah shared with me that she has chronic Lyme disease. Now, she's been hospitalized twice, had severe kidney issues. She was septic. She almost died following vaccination. And despite all these side effects you've experienced, have you found any doctors that have been able to help you in any way?
- [56:26]
Sarah Doe
So, no, but we keep looking for one day. Hopefully they can help us.
- [56:32]
Claire Dooley
Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah. So tell me a little bit about so you. Then we were caught up on shots you got in school. Were you ever able to finish getting caught up?
- [56:47]
Sarah Doe
So we had to take a break because after I got all those shots, my arms started having reactions and I wasn't able to play the sports anymore because of my arms. So we had to take a break from that. And then we. Starting last year, I moved to a different school, and the school nurse there looked at my chart and noticed that I didn't have one of the Hep B vaccines, but I had two of them, and I just needed one more. And so she.
- [57:19]
Claire Dooley
Like, she told the administration and. And so on and so forth. And so what did that look like? You know, was it a letter sent to your parents and. Yeah, and then it said, look, you have to get the shot. You can't come back to school. No.
- [57:32]
Sarah Doe
Yeah. And so knowing my mom, she kept fighting, and she just told the school, she said, I'm just going to keep going to doctors and just keep getting medical exemptions until you finally accept it. And they never did.
- [57:44]
Claire Dooley
Right.
- [57:45]
Sarah Doe
Yeah.
- [57:45]
Claire Dooley
So then you guys. You guys went through a court case to argue that, hey, this is defying our religious beliefs or medical needs. And so I know it's kind of tough for you probably to give me specifics on legal updates, but didn't you guys win something?
- [58:02]
Sarah Doe
Yeah. So we made case law and we won federal court, and that put me back into school, but the fight's still not over. I'm still not fully done with, like, being back in school. They try to put me back in the 10th grade, and my mom fought it again, so they dropped that. But.
- [58:22]
Claire Dooley
So what's it been like for you? I mean, with friends in school and, you know.
- [58:26]
Sarah Doe
Yeah.
- [58:27]
Claire Dooley
How do your Peers feel about it? Are they like, oh, no.
- [58:32]
Sarah Doe
So the peers don't, like. My peers don't really, like, they're. They don't really care. Like, they don't really know about it. But some of the kids, they do make fun of me, but I don't let that bother me.
- [58:43]
Tony Lyons
Me.
- [58:43]
Sarah Doe
I know.
- [58:43]
Claire Dooley
That's right. Yeah.
- [58:46]
Sarah Doe
Yeah. But I've been making a lot of, like, new friends and it's been amazing this school year. It's so amazing to be back.
- [58:52]
Claire Dooley
Back in school, which is your right. Are you in a public school?
- [58:55]
Sarah Doe
Yeah.
- [58:55]
Claire Dooley
Yeah. So your family pays taxes for you to go to school, and they're being denied the right to education because she's missing one vaccine, which, by the way, is very difficult to spread hepatitis B from one student to another.
- [59:09]
Sarah Doe
Also, if you have active hep B. If you have active hep B, you still can go to school.
- [59:14]
Claire Dooley
Okay, so if you have a active hep B infection, you can still go to school, but if you don't have the vaccine, you can't come here. Tell me how that makes sense. Listen, Sarah, how can people find info about your court case? Which, by the way, Children's Health Defense is helping you out with? Right, so Children's Self Defense is helping defend Sarado. This is part of our legal litigation, part department. We're very proud to be helping Sarah Jo as much as we can. But do you know, you know, how can people follow you or learn more about your story and follow along and help you in any way? Do you have anything? Do you have, like, Instagram?
- [59:54]
Sarah Doe
I have Instagram.
- [59:54]
Claire Dooley
Okay. It's like TikTok Instagram. I don't know, but I don't know if we're allowed to. To give her information out.
- [60:04]
Sarah Doe
So maybe I'll make like a public account.
- [60:06]
Claire Dooley
Yeah, maybe make a public account or something like that. Listen, before we go, Sarah, I, I'm. I know that. I see how you are. You are very strong, young lady. You are composing yourself. You're not getting bogged down on the details, like, or playing a victim mentality. But you're fighting for your future. But I do, I want our guests to be able to connect with you in the way that, like, I'm sure they have children, you know, how can you describe what has been taken away from you? Why. Why is it that you have to be going through this right now? If you, if you could describe to me what it's been like for you emotionally. Has it been tough?
- [60:53]
Sarah Doe
Very tough. I. As soon as I got kicked out of school, I Didn't realize, like how bad it was to actually not be in school. And just sitting in my bed every day seeing other kids be able to go to school and not being able to go to school, I wondered what's wrong with me? Why can't I go to school? You know? And it was just that time in my life was kind of. It was all blank because I don't.
- [61:18]
Claire Dooley
And it's okay to be emotional about is because you deserve to be and you've been strong for a very long time. Posse, send her some love. Pray for her. Pray for her court case. We want to help her as much as we can. When we take the break. I'm gonna give this awesome young lady a hug because what happened to you is discriminatory. You are not able to continue to be vaccinated. And even if you didn't want to have those vaccines at all, that's no one's business. You should have been able to go to school. And that is not fair. To put that pressure on a 15 year old not to call you a child, but on a 15 year old child, that's absolutely ridiculous. Like I said, Posse, pray for Sarah Doe. Send her some love. Sign up for the email updates on children's healthdefense.org and you can probably learn more about her court case there. And yeah, we'll see you guys soon. We're going to take a short break.
- [62:30]
Rodney Williams
I'm Rodney Williams.
- [62:32]
Travis Holloway
And I'm Travis Holloway. Welcome to the wealthbreak podcast, a real conversation about finance.
- [62:38]
Rodney Williams
Let's be honest, building wealth doesn't look the same for everyone.
- [62:43]
Sarah Doe
I feel like sometimes being broke is.
- [62:45]
Claire Dooley
A cycle and that we might have.
- [62:46]
Travis Holloway
To revisit that and we're not stopping at success stories.
- [62:50]
Annabe Sofa Advertiser
What happens when it doesn't go right? How do you cope with it?
- [62:53]
Rodney Williams
Because wealth isn't just about money. It's about creating a life where you thrive and help others do the same.
- [62:59]
Travis Holloway
Listen to the Wealth Break podcast on the iHeartRadio app.
- [63:05]
Claire Dooley
Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and well, you're sweet and all, but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure, you met some of my dietary needs, but they've just got it all. So farewell. Oatmeal. So long, you strange soggy Break up.
- [63:24]
Tony Lyons
With bland breakfast and taste AMPM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with cage free eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. Am PM Too much Good stuff.
- [63:34]
Claire Dooley
This is an I Heart podcast.