THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4941)

Podcast: Real America’s Voice | Host: Stephen K. Bannon | Date: November 20, 2025

Episode Overview

This action-packed episode of War Room centers on urgent current events touching AI policy, American tech sovereignty, immigration reform, Texas' stance against Islamist organizations, controversy over the CDC and vaccines, and populist economic strategies. Steve Bannon is joined by guests including Oren Cass (populist economist), Raymond Ibrahim (Islam & Middle East expert), Mary Holland (children's health advocate), and analyst Joe Allen for a raucous, detail-driven conversation aimed squarely at America's populist, nationalist, and sovereignty-minded audience.

1. AI, Big Tech, and U.S. Policy: The Call to Action

Key Segment (00:41–15:53)

Main Points:

• The episode kicks off with Bannon calling for grassroots action against what he dubs "the AI amnesty," warning listeners of legislation being quietly slipped into law that threatens American sovereignty and oversight of AI development.
• Bannon rails against tech oligarchs, comparing their power and lack of regulation to heavily overseen industries like salons and hair braiding, noting the irony and danger ([01:46]).
• He demands that, if public resources guarantee AI development, American citizens must receive equity stakes:

  "If it’s going to be a whole of government and a whole society move, then you gotta include society including people called American citizens...the lords of easy money and the corporatists and the tech oligarchs have had a run of this place for too long."
  — Stephen K. Bannon [02:45]

With Guest: Oren Cass

• Cass outlines and defends the "GAIN Act," a legislative push to put U.S. companies and workers first in the tech/AI chip race, and to prevent sales to China.

  “If a US company wants the chips, you can't sell them to China. Right of first refusal for American companies–the most America First policy possible...”
  — Oren Cass [05:25]

• Cass exposes corporate double-talk, especially Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, whom Bannon refers to as the "arms dealer" of the AI chip world:

  “Jensen will go out and he'll say, we're sold out, and then he'll say, no, no, but we need to sell to China. He says he doesn’t think it matters who wins the race.”
  — Oren Cass [08:30]

• Policy arguments are dissected, with both men dismissing the rationale for selling advanced chips to China as short-term profit seeking that undermines long-term U.S. national and economic security.

Regulation, Federal Preemption & State Rights

• They blast efforts to override state-level AI legislation, framing it as a corporate/gov't power grab that stifles debate and accountability.

  “...they’re not doing that. They're just saying we are going to overrule states doing anything, even though we have nothing else...it’s just going to be sort of open season.”
  — Oren Cass [11:20]

Economic Nationalism and Immigration

• Discussion moves to populist economics, with Cass calling for a moratorium on visa programs to reassess impacts on American workers.

  “If I were an American worker looking at what the White House has been talking about...I would feel like I was nowhere on people's minds at all. And so the good stuff is really good, but it is a mixed bag at this point.”
  — Oren Cass [14:30]

Call for Audience Engagement

“Today’s the day of action...Take the script, make the call. Text message, email. It's over. We gotta do it.”
— Stephen K. Bannon [01:17]

2. Texas Moves Against the Muslim Brotherhood & CAIR

Key Segment (17:28–30:30)

Main Points:

• Bannon celebrates Texas Governor Abbott’s move officially labeling the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR as terrorist organizations, crediting grassroots agitation for the victory.

With Guest: Raymond Ibrahim

• Ibrahim, an authority on Islamism, explains the roots and global context of these organizations, debunking claims of “Islamophobia”:

  “The Muslim Brotherhood, and by extension CAIR, is a terrorist organization...Muslim countries ban the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization...their own documents say: we are here in America...to wage a civilizational jihad.”
  — Raymond Ibrahim [18:31]

• Ibrahim links the recent founding of Muslim enclaves and communities in Texas to the state's porous border, suggesting possible security implications.
• He draws parallels to developments in Europe, warning that U.S. cities may be following the same trajectory:

  “Look to Europe to see the trajectory that the U.S. is on...These enclaves aren’t just non-assimilated foreigners—they’re actually jihadists.”
  — Raymond Ibrahim [24:43]

Memorable Quote:

“When the U.S. Army War College buckled to a terrorist organization...that's all they exist to do, to shut down the truth.”
— Raymond Ibrahim [20:45]

3. Vaccine Controversy: CDC’s Website Update on Autism

Key Segment (30:31–36:53)

Main Points:

• Bannon highlights breaking news: the CDC quietly altered its website, removing or walking back the categorical claim that "vaccines do not cause autism."
• This is framed as a monumental win for vaccine skeptics and parents who reported associations over decades.

With Guest: Mary Holland

• Holland, from Children’s Health Defense, details the change and contends it marks the beginning of government truth-telling:

  “For 30 years, parents have been gaslit because of pressure from pharma and the government...they haven't said, Steve, vaccines cause autism...but what they are saying is there's no science behind the claim vaccines do not cause autism.”
  — Mary Holland [32:24]

• She cites FOIA efforts:

  “It's well established through Freedom of Information: there's nothing there...Secretary Kennedy is very well aware of the very serious issues.”
  — Mary Holland [35:23]

• She further notes the scope of the crisis—autism rates in U.S. children now at “epidemic” levels.

Notable Moment:

“It’s absolutely an epidemic crisis...last night, quietly, CDC changed the website...the truth is there's no evidence, no science behind the claim. Vaccines do not cause autism.”
— Mary Holland [35:23]

4. Populist/Grassroots Action: Stop AI Amnesty

Key Segment (39:06–42:42)

Main Points:

• Joe Allen, reporting from Dallas, urges listeners to pressure Congress against any federal effort to preempt state AI regulation.
• Allen warns that the federal government has “done nothing” to protect children, consumers, or copyrights regarding AI, and that “only the states are stepping up”:

  “Only the states are stepping up for child protection, for consumer protection, for copyright protection, for transparency in these frontier labs.”
  — Joe Allen [39:44]

• He argues the public overwhelmingly wants state-level regulation, citing recent surveys.

Call to Action:

“Go to billblasterapp.org or billblasterapp on X. Call your representatives in Congress and tell them you do not want an AI moratorium slipped into the NDAA.”
— Joe Allen [39:21]

5. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 | Bannon | “There are more regulations to open a nail salon...than if you’re at one of the frontier labs of artificial intelligence.” | | 02:45 | Bannon | “If it’s going to be a whole of government and a whole society move, then you gotta include...American citizens.” | | 05:25 | Oren Cass | “If a US company wants the chips, you can't sell them to China. Right of first refusal for American companies.” | | 08:30 | Oren Cass | "Jensen will go out and he'll say, we're sold out, and then he'll say, no, no, but we need to sell to China..." | | 14:30 | Oren Cass | “If I were an American worker looking at what the White House has been talking about...I would feel like I was nowhere on people's minds at all.” | | 18:31 | Raymond Ibrahim | “The Muslim Brotherhood, and by extension CAIR, is a terrorist organization...their own documents say...to wage a civilizational jihad.” | | 20:45 | Raymond Ibrahim | “When the US Army War College buckled to a terrorist organization...that's all they exist to do, to shut down the truth.” | | 24:43 | Raymond Ibrahim | "Look to Europe to see the trajectory the US is on...these enclaves...are actually jihadists." | | 32:24 | Mary Holland | “For 30 years, parents have been gaslit...so it is so wonderful that we now see the start of HHS and CDC telling the truth.” | | 35:23 | Mary Holland | “It’s well established through Freedom of Information: there's nothing there...and last night, quietly, CDC changed the website...” | | 39:44 | Joe Allen | "Only the states are stepping up for child protection, for consumer protection, for copyright protection, for transparency in these frontier labs.” |

6. Resources and Further Learning

• American Compass (Oren Cass): americancompass.org
• Raymond Ibrahim (books, articles): raymondibrahim.com
• Children’s Health Defense (Mary Holland): childrenshealthdefense.org
• Joe Allen: Social: @OEBOTXYZ (X/Twitter); Film fest: ministryoftruthfilmfest.com
• Action Tools: billblasterapp.org

Final Thoughts

This episode encapsulates Bannon’s brand of populism: grassroots action, skepticism of both elite and federal authority, and a focus on sovereignty—whether it’s chips, children’s health, or border security. With memorable soundbites and urgent calls to action, “The War Room” leverages breaking news to push its audience towards activism while offering a deeply critical view of the current administration and the powers behind the scenes.

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